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Take a look at the image to the right. Is obfuscation, via RTL, ROT13, excessive and roundabout use of {{templates}}, etc., appropriate for the Wikipedia project and in the spirit of the GFDL? Note that your opinion may vary based on whether the obfuscation is occurring in User space, Template space, or article space (though I, personally, do not feel it's valid for it to vary). Perhaps most importantly, is a sufficiently-obfuscated page fundamentally different from "stealth protection"? Jouster ( whisper) 17:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
First, a personal note: I'm relatively new to wikipedia, although I've been reading all the policy I can find and taking up large amounts of time doing so, which might not be good for me personally, but that's beside the point (yes, I'm waffling, sorry about that). If there has been a general discussion on this somewhere, please direct me to it.
On to the actual point. I've now read most of the notability policies and guidelines I can find, at least the consensus-accepted ones. It seems to me that there are a number of wikimedia projects that advocate the creation of large numbers of articles of generally dubious notability. I've seen this recently with rail/subway stations (which seems to have been the subject of recuring debate), TV episodes, music albums, peers/peerages and baronets/baronetcies, and probably far more. It seems to me that, while there is seperate debate on many of these issues, it would be useful if, in as far as is possible, some sort of debate went on about this sort of thing generally, hopefully leading to some sort of consensus. Then, the specific cases could be debated/decided with reference to this more general consensus.
So, does this exist somewhere that I've missed, and if not, what do people think? SamBC 14:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
A fuller debate has started up at Notability, below. Please post any responses there. SamBC 22:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
There are a rash of articles on Wikipedia aboout individual television episodes which will never meet notability guidelines, and thus do not warrant their own article. At Episode coverage taskforce we have been working on ways to encourage editors and contributors to provide relevant episode information on list or season pages, and use individual pages for notable episodes only. Consequently, we have expanded Episode guidelines to make them more helpful and explanatory, working on a few 'how to' project pages, and also developing a review process for problem pages. In the past, unnotable pages have been merged or redirected on sight, or left mouldering with unactioned clean-up tags. This proposal provides for a tagging of problem pages, encouraging improvement, and a process for review and action (as appropriate). Come and see Wikipedia:Television article review process and add comments on the talk page. Gwinva 07:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
All articles on Wikipedia must conform to WP:NOTABILITY. Just because something exists, or is seen by millions, does not mean it is automatically notable. I exist. Over my life, I will be seen by millions. Does that make me notable? Television might be an easily accessible medium, but that in no way determines that everything on it is notable. Gwinva 15:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I say that if there is a "rash of articles" on something, contributed by people not trying to force some agenda, and it does not meet the notability guidelines, then it is the guidelines that are at fault. 208.76.104.133 08:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
What is the accepted policy for uploading a Google Earth placemark file (.kmz) to help illustrate the location of a geographic subject?
The article on Jabal al-Lawz, a mountain in Saudi Arabia that some think is the biblical Mt. Sinai, has a link to Google Maps. I'd like to add a Google Earth placemark with tilt to show the terrain of this area.
I don't find an FAQ or other policy addressing this question.
Thanks. Ghoffman 05:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Book_covers, where I ask whether images of book covers are acceptable in articles about their books when those articles have no critical commentary about the cover itself. Similar questions apply for album covers and corporate logos. The question whether this is a legitimate "fair use" on Wikipedia will be crucial for making decisions about deleting images with possibly unacceptable fair use rationales. It would be beneficial if a consensus on this can be documented before we begin evaluating whether images have acceptable fair use rationales.
This is only an announcement; please keep all comments on WT:NONFREE so the discussion isn't fragmented. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 00:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
rm large copydump 84.158.253.69 20:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose that anyone responding to questions posted on the reference desk be required to state their age since many of the current responses appear to be little more than guesswork as if to say "I can answer that." when in fact the response is no where near an answer but just wasted time and space. Julie Moon 09:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Over at the naming convention page, a discussion has been started about moving Chicago and Philadelphia back to the city, state standard. All views and inputs are welcomed. Agne Cheese/ Wine 05:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
A user or group of users (apparently only on IRC) seem to have started a campaign to put gender stereotyping placeholder images which in my opinion are pointless and look worse than the original gender neutral ones. I don't really like these at all, but if we must have them we shouldn't use such ridiculous sterotyping images. Gender neutral one here Claude Bachand, female one Melissa Joan Hart, male one Christopher Lambert. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 20:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Got a couple of messages form out friendly neighborhood bot betacommandbot, about missing fair use rationale for a couple of images made a while ago for the reform of the main page project. A question I have is that are a fair use rationale required for "internal" wiki-stuff. The images in question are not important any more, it's just a general question. Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 A.png etc... → Aza Toth 13:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
If that bot interferes with you, just revert whatever it does. It (and the owner) are both currently the subject of a number of complaints on various pages. Jtrainor 17:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I decided to move this fragmented discussion here (I found a debate here after posting one here) since I think this area is appropriate and probably receives more traffic (meaning more consensus).
The debate is: should there be a space after abbreviations of two consecutive names? For example, should it be H.G. Wells or H. G. Wells? There has been no broad consensus on this, although wiki-guidelines say there should be a space.
I believe there should be a space because (1.) There should be spaces between words (2.) There's already a guideline in place, and (3.) I think it looks better.
Please use support (meaning you support the guideline in having a space), oppose, or comment for a clearer picture.
Sorry, but you can't enact a guideline through a majority vote, and certainly not on the village pump. >Radiant< 12:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I think this is one of those things we ought to do one way or another consistently. Whether or not to use a space between the initials of T. S. Eliot is entirely within the purview of a publication's style guide. We don't need to open a thousand cans of worms by making it a matter for competing google tests and accusations of POV. - GTBacchus( talk) 06:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject:Aircraft is currently considering what to do with lists like Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress serial numbers. A number of broadly similar lists have been created by the one user, but no-one else considers them to be encyclopedic. To put it in perspective, if this particular list were ever finished, it would be a list of some 12,000 serial numbers. Nevertheless, this list and others from the same contributor are well-researched, verifiable, and sourced, and it seems to me to be a shame to simply delete them out of existence. I'm wondering whether there's another wikimedia project where they could usefully and appropriately be transwikied to? -- Rlandmann 21:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The material has been collated from a variety of places, but I don't think that OR applies, because they're all secondary sources. I'm sure that the "bones" of the list of serial numbers exist somewhere out there, but these lists go a little beyond that into including brief notes on the fate of the individual aircraft (where known), their radio call signs, names, and other minutiae. A truly noble effort - but (a) not encyclopedic, and (b) probably a bad precedent for the next person who wants to create a list of the chassis numbers of every Model T Ford built (or serial numbers of Sony Playstation 2s, or whatever). -- Rlandmann 23:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I read once that there was this policy set up because really intellegent scholars would come onto wikipedia and be hassled off by losers. Anyone familar with this policy? 69.153.81.182 00:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The discusion is continued at Wikipedia talk:Requests for verification
A discussion is underway at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Age of unreferenced that in part suggests the use of the Wikitionary tag {{rfv}} to be used on new unreferenced articles (newer then January 1, 2007) which reads
The rationale being at some point Wikipedia needs to start enforcing WP:V and WP:OR currently the rebuttal's center on encouraging use of references without actually removing unreferenced material. Jeepday ( talk) 13:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The discusion is continued at Wikipedia talk:Requests for verification
Vishwin60 and I have been having a discussion on his talk page, and we'd like to get some more opinions. He mentioned in a comment that he thinks it is against policy for IP addresses to have user pages (later clarifying this to except redirects to the talk page), but I disagreed. He pointed to m:Anonymous user, but I don't think this actually disallows them - it just mentions why they are impractical in most cases. There are several examples of static IP address with user pages that have been started for them (because they are technically incapable of it), which then took to editing said user pages themselves. (Obviously I don't remember them off the top of my head, because they are comprised of numbers, but I will look around.) We'd like a third opinion on whether policy forbids IP address userpages. Picaroon (Talk) 19:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I am interested in changing my user name, but I found out that particular user name has been indefinitely blocked, and he has an empty contribution log. Is it still possible to ask for a WP:USURP?-- Kylohk 13:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I know that this proposal is almost certainly going to get shot down in flames, but I will float it out anyway.
The general policy of anonymity of editors, which most (but not all) follow, means that there is no way of contacting an editor except through the project user talk pages or through e-mail. It is not uncommon for editors to make quite close relationships, without either party knowing anything personal about the other. And if that is their mutual wish, fine.
But sometimes editors vanish unexpectedly and without warning, as User:Coelacan appears to have done, to the distress of his adoptee; and as User:DocEss did a few months ago, to my personal distress.
My proposal: that a register be formed of contact details of all editors; to be held in the office under strict security, and details to be released only by senior wiki officials (bureaucrats? stewards? Jimbo?) and only on the presentation of absolutely irrefutable reasons by editors whose identity can itself be verified, by e-mail or other means to be agreed.
It seems to me that there are rare occasions when the sudden and unannounced absence of an editor can cause serious concern, And I feel that some way of avoiding this situation could be considered. I welcome comments. -- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 23:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
A discussion is occuring at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Scrolling Reference List about whether that guideline should be edited to prohibit the use of scrolling reference lists in articles. One of the reasons advanced for this prohibition is that if such an article were printed, valuable information would not appear in the printout. I solicit your comments. -- Gerry Ashton 23:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added a picture to a page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Proofstep.gif). I have asked the permission to its author. I have mentioned the name of the author, the site of the author, the license ( a free one ) and incredibly the image is marked to be deleted. Simply I don't understand. -- Frédéric Liné 06:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there a policy or general standard for how soon an article can be renominated for deletion after it has survived an earlier AfD? I ask because List of atheist Nobel laureates (bundled with similar lists) was nominated for deletion only 2 days after it survived its first nomination. It just seems way too soon to revisit this issue. What is the policy or standard in such cases? Nick Graves 19:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
First of all, apologies if this has been discussed here before, but this is something I have come across many times and would like to discuss this to try and put a stop to the edit warring that is occurring.
There are many articles about Scots on Wikipedia - some sporting infoboxes have a nationality tag and in the case of anyone born in Scotland, their nationality is British, as Scotland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Many times I have seen their nationality set to Scottish with a Scottish flag alongside. In my eyes, this is wrong. Nationality is about which sovereign country you are from. If we allow autonomous communities to represent someone's nationality then that means including Quebec, Catalonia, Valencia, Bavaria, Walloon et al.
I'm in no way stating that we should not mention that someone is from Scotland, but as far as their nationality goes, describing someone as a Scottish national is plain wrong. Scottish nationality has not existed since 1707 when the United Kingdom was formed with the Acts of Union. People from the United Kingdom are British citizens, as described on their passports. I believe that stating otherwise is not NPOV, due to having political undertones to do with independence movements.
I would like to suggest that Wikipedia policy be amended to state that a person's nationality must refer to a sovereign state. Readro 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the important distinction should be the self-identification. If, for example, John Smith self-identifies as being Scottish, instead of British, then Wikipedia could indicate as such. If, however, John Smith does not express any public preference, then Jane Doe (Wikipedia editor/Scottish nationalist) should not be permitted to change "British" to "Scottish". Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat</font> spy 23:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
If your proposal were to go into effect we could never identify anyone as being a Kurd, for example, or the Korean runner who had to compete for Japan in the Olympics prior to World War II (can't remember his name now), would have to be listed as Japanese, even though he was Korean. Corvus cornix 03:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Nationality is a very personal characteristic, hugely important to many people. I am hesitant to tell Scots (for example) that they must register as Britons; my English friends, after all, refer to themselves as English, not as British. I don't consider it my right - nor Wikipedia's - to tell people what flag they should associate with their homeland, heritage, or self-identity. The "sovereign state" argument holds no water with me. Why not just ask people to input a longitude and latitude? This sidesteps the issue of citizenship and nationality entirely, and just identifies people by geographic location. 67.189.48.7 20:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, to reside in Scotland and vote in Scottish elections, you must be British. IE an English person has the same rights in Scotland as a Scot, because they are both British. As does a Scot in Wales, or a Welshman in London (I'm not going to touch Ireland!) They are represented overseas by a UK embassy, they die in Iraq under the Union Jack. They are all British. I believe that is what is meant by "nationality" in the info box, and for the sake of consistency that is what we should put there. If an individual identifies with an ethnic group or a separatist movement, then that can and probably should be mentioned elsewhere in the article. -- Michael Johnson 10:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the problem here is some people see the word "nationality" and think "citizenship," while others see the word "nationality" and think "a people having a common origin, tradition, and language." It's a relatively modern conceit that nationality and statehood are the same, few would have had trouble with this distinction during the imperial era when many states comprised multiple nations, or during the feudal era when nations might host many states. If the "Nationality" box is intended to convey citizenship, it should be re-named "Citizenship" to avoid ambiguity. Otherwise, it is not only unfair but inaccurate to conflate the two. Jmputnam 15:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
So I don want to sort through a pile of policy articles so is it OK to reference a prominent blogger that has "pondered over" a matter in a political allegation? I mean a prominent blogger has assumed something and is it OK to mention that this particular blogger assumed this and actually include it in an article (of course giving full credit the blogger, i.e., referencing the blogpost). Thanks! 354d 20:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Over at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content, User:Mosquera posits that Wikipedia:No original research forbids the use of many free images because they have never been published anywhere. I invite those familiar with NOR to comment. Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Fair Use Rationale: The Extended Mix. Thank you. howcheng { chat} 21:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I've been looking at a kind of serious article dispute that's sadly not uncommon, and where (for various reasons) current dispute resolution processes don't work well, or quickly enough. A number of articles are train-wrecked by this scenario, and a number of positive editors driven away.
The basic notion would address situations where a period of editorial supervision is better suited, rather than mediation or arbitration. These situations happen, and WP:DR doesn't handle it well right now. When they do, a disproportionate amount of damage is done to the project and to its editors. In some cases, I think we need a dispute resolution avenue that doesn't need to go to arbcom, that's supervisory rather than judicial (somewhat like Mentorship), and which is accessible much earlier on as one of many dispute options.
See Article supervision proposal (further notes on its talk page). Views welcomed. Looking to see whether others have noticed similar situations, and would support this as a useful option and approach, within existing dispute resolution processes. Examples available.
FT2 ( Talk | email) 09:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
... what consensus is not. The basic gist of it is "just because they are doing it in that article over there, it should not be taken as a given that it is necessarily right to do it in this article over here", or "look, they're doing it here and here and here" does not mean that it is necessarily the right thing to do, at all.
Does anyone know which guideline or policy I mean? Thanks! Joie de Vivre ° 17:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard could do with some more people commenting and keeping an eye open. Editors from a humanities background are especially welcome (you maths and science fellas do a pretty good job of monitoring fringe theory editing already). Cheers, Moreschi Talk 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Having this category added through and on Talk page makes it less visible, is there some policy decision behind this. Vjdchauhan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC).
There are around 900 identified notable Wikipedians can we have several subcategories of this category based on occupation/nationality as well. Again is there a policy decision to have one flat and large category of 'Notable Wikipedians'. Vjdchauhan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC).
Smcafirst requests that people not add a message to his talk page, but only to one of his subpages, or "I will not reply to you since I assume you are a bot". Is this acceptable, since it means that nobody can bring up the "you have new messages" box for him? -- NE2 22:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess I fail to see why we're dictating how he manage his user talk page on the grounds that there could hypothetically be a problem of some sort. WP:BURO -- leave him be until there's actually evidence of a problem, no? -- JayHenry 05:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
This seems to me to be an easy AGF issue... He has done nothing wrong, we are busy assigning motives and personality traits to this user because he wants to organize his talkpage a certain way. Comply with what he asks for; if he starts acting like a WP:DICK in his editing, respond accordingly, but I see no reason not to assume this is simply a way he wants to manage his filing system, and find no reason to think that he has some ulterior motive or is himself an undesirable. This works for him; comply with his request, and assume he has his good reasons for his system. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 04:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I happened across the template {{ CartoonNetworkImageTag}} just now, and I was wondering if the template applies only to shows directly produced/created by Cartoon Network, or if this was to be construed as a blanket template to be used for every show broadcast on Cartoon Network. I ask because I am in the middle of updating all my uploaded fair use images, and having uploaded several from shows broadcast on Adult Swim, I would like to know if I can use this template as an additional fair use claim. For the record the shows I have uploaded pictures from are Fullmetal Alchemist, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and several different Mobile Suit Gundam broadcasts on both Toonami and Adult Swim. TomStar81 ( Talk) 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I want to bring up the proposal at Wikipedia:Enforce inclusion of categories, which has been sitting around for a while. I believe much of this proposal could be implemented without a software update. Perhaps it would be possible to add a message to the "new article" page, instructing the user to include a category (e.g. near the "save" button). It would be even better if the wikicode for a category was also added automatically to the edit box on all new pages. I have heard that administrators can edit these boilerplate pages, but I am not sure of the extent of their powers.
I think the best way to do this would be to use a template similar to {{ Afd3 starter}} (shown when URL is, for example, [2]), which asks users to provide a general category code on articles for deletion. New articles would be placed in Category:New articles or a subcategory.
Categorization of new articles would help with a couple issues:
-- Eliyak T· C 08:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Bad categories can be worse than no categories. I'd rather see a long requested feature implemented: a way to get a random list of uncategorized pages. Right now, in Special:Uncategorizedpages, it's hard to get past the A's.-- agr 10:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with agr, unfamiliar users adding the completely wrong category could cause a lot of clean up work that is harder to find than an uncategorized article which can easily be tagged by a bot and dealt with by Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories/uncategorized, it would be much harder for a bot to find items which were just in wrong categories or only one high level category (i.e. Category:Living People). I do think an automatic tag of "New Article" might be a good idea as it would bring more attention to new articles that need work however if it ended up staying on for months or years with nobody seeing it then it wouldn't be doing anyone any good. It's a good idea overall, just I think it won't solve the problem entirely. Star dust 8212 12:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I still support the idea of a "warning screen" for uncategorized, unreferenced, unformatted and/or orphaned new articles. Most people creating these articles don't know they'll be problematic, but people could still create the article, they'd just know what the problem(s) are. We have articles that sit with cleanup tags for years... often the person who creates them is perfectly able to address the issue, they just leave before they realize there's a problem. -- W.marsh 15:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I could make this very long, but I'll make it short and sweet. Why are bus stations, subway stops, and train stations notable enough for inclusion. there are almost never sourced, and are very short. for example, see Yishun Bus Interchange. A few are well known, such as the NYC subway, but everyone else violates WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and makes articles for every little non-notable station and stop, many of which don't even exist anymore ( Calvert railway station). I just find this to be getting quite ridiculous. Reywas92 Talk 18:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Further to the above, I've started what is currently a completely skeletal proposal at User:Sambc/wip/Sprawl Control Policy Proposal. Feel free to use the associated talk page, but I'd lie to fill in some material before opening it for collaboration. SamBC 01:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
At two sections of WP:RS we need more voices to reach a consensus. More detailed explanation of what is a 'reliable' and 'unreliable' sources were recently merged from WP:ATT#FAQ, addressing issues such as whether particular sources such as newspapers or academic books are reliable or not, but now some users are removing the newly added sections. More comments on whether they should stay or not are needed.18:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I would actually like to request to be banned for 2 months. I have a bar exam in 9 days and I should be studying for this exam. Is that possible? If it is, please do so, this forces me to study :) Travb ( talk) 18:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer doesnt seem to work :(
I dont think Tom would boot me because of
Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Self-requested_blocks
Travb (
talk) 04:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
A debate has sprung up over inclusion of a cute math pun about Bring radicals, and I think we're in need of policy clarification. Should a humorous cartoon be used to supplement article content? Please pitch in on the talk page with any insight. I've re-started the discussion at the bottom with a summary of points made thus far. ~ Booya Bazooka 12:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Vote Responses: Spam: Valuable External Links:
I have tried repeatedly to add what I consider to be valuable external links to related wikipedia content. The links are to online recreational topographic maps of the geographic area covered in the wikipedia article. However, many editors have erased the external links and have threatened to ban me from Wikipedia for spamming, while other topics have retained my external links as relevant info. This has been disturbing to me, because the online maps that I have linked to are original content and valuable resources.
Please see the following links and respond to the content as Spam or as a Valuable External Link as a vote at the top of the page.
All of the following links are for geographic areas within Connecticut.
Rivers
Connecticut River: [ [3]]
Housatonic River: [ [4]]
Ten Mile River: [ [5]]
Sandy Brook: [ [6]]
Nepaug River: [ [7]]
Saugatuck River: [ [8]]
East River: [ [9]]
Hammonasset River: [ [10]]
Coginchaug River: [ [11]]
Quinnipiac River: [ [12]]
Farmington River: [ [13]]
Willimantic River: [ [14]]
Hockanum River: [ [15]]
Hop River: [ [16]]
Blackledge River: [ [17]]
Salmon River: [ [18]]
Jeremy River: [ [19]]
Yantic River: [ [20]]
Eightmile River: [ [21]]
Shetucket River: [ [22]]
Natchaug River: [ [23]]
Mount Hope River: [ [24]]
Trails
Appalachian: [ [25]]
Metacomet: [ [26]]
Mattabesett: [ [27]]
Hop River Bike Trail: [ [28]]
Airline Bike Trail: [ [29]]
Pachaug Trail: [ [30]]
CT Trail Directory: [ [31]]
State Forests
Cockaponset State Forest: [ [32]]
Pachaug State Forest: [ [33]]
Rock Climbing
Main Rock Page: [ [34]]
Bradley & Ragged Mountains: [ [35]]
Lamentation Mountain: [ [36]]
Cathole & East Peak Mountains: [ [37]]
Sleeping Giant State Park: [ [38]]
West Rock Ridge: [ [39]]
Chatfield Hollow: [ [40]]
Pine Ledge: [ [41]]
Whitestone: [ [42]]
Deer Cliff: [ [43]]
Saint John’s Ledges: [ [44]]
Beech Rock: [ [45]]
Diamond Ledge: [ [46]]
Campground Map
[ [47]]
CT Cycling Routes
Statewide: [ [48]]
Canaan: [ [49]]
Kent: [ [50]]
Washington: [ [51]]
Litchfield: [ [52]]
Burlington: [ [53]]
Milford: [ [54]]
Wallingford: [ [55]]
Valley-Shore: [ [56]]
Mystic: [ [57]]
Storrs: [ [58]]
Windsor: [ [59]]
Farmington: [ [60]]
New Hartford: [ [61]]
Thank You for Your Help,
Czimborbryan
FYI - There have been some changes made since I had first posted this inquirey. I stopped placing external links on articles posted by other editors because they were being deleted anyway. I decided to just keep these links to posts that I had made myself. For more information, see my talk page. Czimborbryan 12:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
First of all, apologies if this has been discussed here before, but this is something I have come across many times and would like to discuss this to try and put a stop to the edit warring that is occurring.
There are many articles about Scots on Wikipedia - some sporting infoboxes have a nationality tag and in the case of anyone born in Scotland, their nationality is British, as Scotland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Many times I have seen their nationality set to Scottish with a Scottish flag alongside. In my eyes, this is wrong. Nationality is about which sovereign country you are from. If we allow autonomous communities to represent someone's nationality then that means including Quebec, Catalonia, Valencia, Bavaria, Walloon et al.
I'm in no way stating that we should not mention that someone is from Scotland, but as far as their nationality goes, describing someone as a Scottish national is plain wrong. Scottish nationality has not existed since 1707 when the United Kingdom was formed with the Acts of Union. People from the United Kingdom are British citizens, as described on their passports. I believe that stating otherwise is not NPOV, due to having political undertones to do with independence movements.
I would like to suggest that Wikipedia policy be amended to state that a person's nationality must refer to a sovereign state. Readro 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the important distinction should be the self-identification. If, for example, John Smith self-identifies as being Scottish, instead of British, then Wikipedia could indicate as such. If, however, John Smith does not express any public preference, then Jane Doe (Wikipedia editor/Scottish nationalist) should not be permitted to change "British" to "Scottish". Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat</font> spy 23:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
If your proposal were to go into effect we could never identify anyone as being a Kurd, for example, or the Korean runner who had to compete for Japan in the Olympics prior to World War II (can't remember his name now), would have to be listed as Japanese, even though he was Korean. Corvus cornix 03:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Nationality is a very personal characteristic, hugely important to many people. I am hesitant to tell Scots (for example) that they must register as Britons; my English friends, after all, refer to themselves as English, not as British. I don't consider it my right - nor Wikipedia's - to tell people what flag they should associate with their homeland, heritage, or self-identity. The "sovereign state" argument holds no water with me. Why not just ask people to input a longitude and latitude? This sidesteps the issue of citizenship and nationality entirely, and just identifies people by geographic location. 67.189.48.7 20:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, to reside in Scotland and vote in Scottish elections, you must be British. IE an English person has the same rights in Scotland as a Scot, because they are both British. As does a Scot in Wales, or a Welshman in London (I'm not going to touch Ireland!) They are represented overseas by a UK embassy, they die in Iraq under the Union Jack. They are all British. I believe that is what is meant by "nationality" in the info box, and for the sake of consistency that is what we should put there. If an individual identifies with an ethnic group or a separatist movement, then that can and probably should be mentioned elsewhere in the article. -- Michael Johnson 10:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the problem here is some people see the word "nationality" and think "citizenship," while others see the word "nationality" and think "a people having a common origin, tradition, and language." It's a relatively modern conceit that nationality and statehood are the same, few would have had trouble with this distinction during the imperial era when many states comprised multiple nations, or during the feudal era when nations might host many states. If the "Nationality" box is intended to convey citizenship, it should be re-named "Citizenship" to avoid ambiguity. Otherwise, it is not only unfair but inaccurate to conflate the two. Jmputnam 15:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I put this in the wrong help section, I'm new :-)
For the page on " How to stop an exploding man" ( Heroes season finale) I though it would be useful to have a picture of Sylar's blood trail leading to the manhole cover. So I captured an image by putting it on Movie Maker and using the image capture tool. What license do I have to upload this file? I uploaded it (its Image:Blood-trail.jpg) and it says that it will be deleted within a week, what do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camydoga ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 17 July 2007
OK, this is perhaps more of a pondering than a serious problem, but if you'd join me in a train of thought....
So, there's a page; it's got a history and authors list, as the GFDL requires. It goes through a deletion debate, and gets merged - with a note saying where the content is merged from, so the authorship trail can be traced back (to the old page, which is now just a redirect) - fine. Next, a new article on a closely-related topic is created, and the redirect is moved to that. Then the new article gets AFD'd, and deleted, along with the redirect. Along with it goes the article history; non-admins can no longer see those earlier versions, and find that attribution information for information which is still in the encyclopedia. Isn't this a GFDL violation?
In practice, not a huge issue in this case - it's just a paragraph or two and they've probably been rewritten heavily since; but it would still be nice to have that article history (and the talk page history). Can it be restored? Does the GFDL require that it be restored? Even if not, should it be? TSP 22:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
is there a wikipedia policy known as "wikipedia is not a tabloid" or similar... with guidelines that say to not dig up embarassing personal or private information about a living person and post it in their article?-- Sonjaaa 15:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there a policy or general standard for how soon an article can be renominated for deletion after it has survived an earlier AfD? I ask because List of atheist Nobel laureates (bundled with similar lists) was nominated for deletion only 2 days after it survived its first nomination. It just seems way too soon to revisit this issue. What is the policy or standard in such cases? Nick Graves 19:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
When did history become citing previously printed material? Primary sources attempting to add accuracy to an item, regardless if there were 700 of them all in absolute agreement on one fact, would be kicked off by an ice cream scooper in Iowa. This entire enterprise is useless. Link2dan 18:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
A discussion is occuring at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Scrolling Reference List about whether that guideline should be edited to prohibit the use of scrolling reference lists in articles. One of the reasons advanced for this prohibition is that if such an article were printed, valuable information would not appear in the printout. I solicit your comments. -- Gerry Ashton 23:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added a picture to a page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Proofstep.gif). I have asked the permission to its author. I have mentioned the name of the author, the site of the author, the license ( a free one ) and incredibly the image is marked to be deleted. Simply I don't understand. -- Frédéric Liné 06:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm bothered by the "Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license" warning which appears on edit pages. Shouldn't have something that will also remind them to attribute the source if they do copy such GFDL text? BenB4 21:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen this frequently, an article is deleted at AfD and one of the editors wants to keep the article (for themself) copies it to one of their userspace pages.
Sometimes people in AfD discussions have asked to keep a copy in their userspace, but others have told them they can't because when an article is deleted it shouldn't remain on Wikipedia, including userpages. I saw one editor who asked the deleting admin to copy the article onto the editor's userspace page, but the admin refused and said he would only email the article to him because the deleted article shouldn't exist anywhere on Wikipedia. I'm not bothered either way, I'm just interested because I follow AfD a lot but there appears to be confusion over what the policy is (excluding anything to do with GDFL, which is mentioned sometimes when people say "delete and merge", because the edit history needs to be kept when merging). I've just registered an account, but I've been editing for a few months as an IP. Loopgains 19:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems rather unusual that such a controversial article as smoking could've appeared in the DYK. The "selection" section in Wikipedia:Did you know doesn't say much about the standard. It seems that few people care about that. Cheers.-- K.C. Tang 03:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Let's say I'm watching the page Foo. If Foo is deleted, I don't immediately see this in my watchlist. I will only see this if I go into the "full watchlist", but it doesn't show in recent changes (even if it was just deleted). I think we should be able to have immediate notification when a page is deleted. I think it is rare that a page is deleted, but for new pages that a user is watching, this request is reasonable. Timneu22 00:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
To try to improve the signal-to-noise ratio at AfD, I have posted a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy#Require_discussion_before_deletion that would require initiating a discussion on an article's talk page prior to initiating an AfD discussion. The reasons behind this proposal are in the discusion at the link above, and a previous discussion linked from there. Additional input from the community is requested in that forum. Dhaluza 13:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Recently, ChrisO changed Wikipedia:Copyrights in this edit. Prior to his change, the policy was:
After it, the policy became:
Key words here are "for example": prior to the change in policy, it stated that it was acceptable to link to any Internet archive, such as any of those in Category:Web archives. After the change, only Internet Archive's Wayback Machine became acceptable, and links to other archives must not be added to articles and should be removed. Note that this applies to archives of singular websites (a.k.a. web mirrors).
I think that this change of policy is unwarranted and that the policy should be changed back. And, in any way, that a wider discussion is needed for it. Nikola 01:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
A WP:LAME edit war, in which I have gotten involved against my better judgment, raises some issues relevant to the intersection of disambiguation and some other policies. Your comments are welcome at Talk:ALF#Request for Comment regarding ALF, Alf, primary topic, and appropriate disambiguation standards.
I came here way of researching the allegation by an editor in an article I'm involved with that it is unnecessary to put quotation marks around quotations of public domain material so long as the public domain source is cited. Such plagiarism would result in a very poor grade in high school or college paper, but I'm having a rough time finding any official policy that Wikipedia might have on it. I do see at the Wikipedia:Forum for Encyclopedic Standards that the proposed standards advocates Honesty, by properly indicating just what it is that is taken from a public domain source &, if it's the entire article, saying so. -- a standard with which I wholeheartedly agree. But can anyone point me to current Wikipedia policy about quotation of PD sources?
By way of background, in the article at issue (fully protected article Battle of Washita River; see also Talk:Battle of Washita River), it was discovered that there were a lengthy quote from a copyrighted source that was not in quotation marks (which has since been removed by an admin as a copyvio); but that there was also an lengthy quotation from a PD source with no quotation marks that had originally been sourced, but its source removed through sloppy editing during an edit war.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide. -- Yksin 19:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
As an encyclopedia containing nothing but editorial content, in almost all cases we are not required to obtain model releases to be able to use pictures of identifiable people. Sadly, however, there are many uses of such photographs which are prohibited or subject to legal action when a release has not been obtained. [62] For example, a model release would be required to place a Wikipedia picture of a person on front of a cereal box. Is this a problem analogous to the fact that we don't allow non-commercial restrictions in our images' licenses? ← Ben B4 06:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The current guideline for the naming of cities is badly in need of change, especially in regards to the United States section, but attempts to build consensus have stalled at the talk page. Please take a look at the discussion and give your opinion. Λυδαcιτγ 02:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Smcafirst requests that people not add a message to his talk page, but only to one of his subpages, or "I will not reply to you since I assume you are a bot". Is this acceptable, since it means that nobody can bring up the "you have new messages" box for him? -- NE2 22:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess I fail to see why we're dictating how he manage his user talk page on the grounds that there could hypothetically be a problem of some sort. WP:BURO -- leave him be until there's actually evidence of a problem, no? -- JayHenry 05:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
This seems to me to be an easy AGF issue... He has done nothing wrong, we are busy assigning motives and personality traits to this user because he wants to organize his talkpage a certain way. Comply with what he asks for; if he starts acting like a WP:DICK in his editing, respond accordingly, but I see no reason not to assume this is simply a way he wants to manage his filing system, and find no reason to think that he has some ulterior motive or is himself an undesirable. This works for him; comply with his request, and assume he has his good reasons for his system. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 04:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
A few days ago I posted here about quoting public domain sources and plagiarism. Now I'm proposing a policy or guideline about it. Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Proposed guideline: Plagiarism & join in discussion. Thanks. -- Yksin 00:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
In the sentence "Bush ran for president.", should president be capitalized? Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#Titles says "Titles such as president ... start with a capital letter when used as a title (followed by a name)... When used generically, they should be in lower case: "De Gaulle was the French president."" Is president here a general use of the word, similar to "Bush was the American president", or an abbreviation to the title "President of the United States"? How about "Bush was president."? Can the Manual of Style please be made more explicit about this particular case? - Pgan002 04:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Why does editors have the right to remove warnings? - Flubeca Talk 16:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Having this category added through and on Talk page makes it less visible, is there some policy decision behind this. Vjdchauhan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC).
There are around 900 identified notable Wikipedians can we have several subcategories of this category based on occupation/nationality as well. Again is there a policy decision to have one flat and large category of 'Notable Wikipedians'. Vjdchauhan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC).
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Take a look at the image to the right. Is obfuscation, via RTL, ROT13, excessive and roundabout use of {{templates}}, etc., appropriate for the Wikipedia project and in the spirit of the GFDL? Note that your opinion may vary based on whether the obfuscation is occurring in User space, Template space, or article space (though I, personally, do not feel it's valid for it to vary). Perhaps most importantly, is a sufficiently-obfuscated page fundamentally different from "stealth protection"? Jouster ( whisper) 17:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
First, a personal note: I'm relatively new to wikipedia, although I've been reading all the policy I can find and taking up large amounts of time doing so, which might not be good for me personally, but that's beside the point (yes, I'm waffling, sorry about that). If there has been a general discussion on this somewhere, please direct me to it.
On to the actual point. I've now read most of the notability policies and guidelines I can find, at least the consensus-accepted ones. It seems to me that there are a number of wikimedia projects that advocate the creation of large numbers of articles of generally dubious notability. I've seen this recently with rail/subway stations (which seems to have been the subject of recuring debate), TV episodes, music albums, peers/peerages and baronets/baronetcies, and probably far more. It seems to me that, while there is seperate debate on many of these issues, it would be useful if, in as far as is possible, some sort of debate went on about this sort of thing generally, hopefully leading to some sort of consensus. Then, the specific cases could be debated/decided with reference to this more general consensus.
So, does this exist somewhere that I've missed, and if not, what do people think? SamBC 14:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
A fuller debate has started up at Notability, below. Please post any responses there. SamBC 22:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
There are a rash of articles on Wikipedia aboout individual television episodes which will never meet notability guidelines, and thus do not warrant their own article. At Episode coverage taskforce we have been working on ways to encourage editors and contributors to provide relevant episode information on list or season pages, and use individual pages for notable episodes only. Consequently, we have expanded Episode guidelines to make them more helpful and explanatory, working on a few 'how to' project pages, and also developing a review process for problem pages. In the past, unnotable pages have been merged or redirected on sight, or left mouldering with unactioned clean-up tags. This proposal provides for a tagging of problem pages, encouraging improvement, and a process for review and action (as appropriate). Come and see Wikipedia:Television article review process and add comments on the talk page. Gwinva 07:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
All articles on Wikipedia must conform to WP:NOTABILITY. Just because something exists, or is seen by millions, does not mean it is automatically notable. I exist. Over my life, I will be seen by millions. Does that make me notable? Television might be an easily accessible medium, but that in no way determines that everything on it is notable. Gwinva 15:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I say that if there is a "rash of articles" on something, contributed by people not trying to force some agenda, and it does not meet the notability guidelines, then it is the guidelines that are at fault. 208.76.104.133 08:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
What is the accepted policy for uploading a Google Earth placemark file (.kmz) to help illustrate the location of a geographic subject?
The article on Jabal al-Lawz, a mountain in Saudi Arabia that some think is the biblical Mt. Sinai, has a link to Google Maps. I'd like to add a Google Earth placemark with tilt to show the terrain of this area.
I don't find an FAQ or other policy addressing this question.
Thanks. Ghoffman 05:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Book_covers, where I ask whether images of book covers are acceptable in articles about their books when those articles have no critical commentary about the cover itself. Similar questions apply for album covers and corporate logos. The question whether this is a legitimate "fair use" on Wikipedia will be crucial for making decisions about deleting images with possibly unacceptable fair use rationales. It would be beneficial if a consensus on this can be documented before we begin evaluating whether images have acceptable fair use rationales.
This is only an announcement; please keep all comments on WT:NONFREE so the discussion isn't fragmented. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 00:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
rm large copydump 84.158.253.69 20:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose that anyone responding to questions posted on the reference desk be required to state their age since many of the current responses appear to be little more than guesswork as if to say "I can answer that." when in fact the response is no where near an answer but just wasted time and space. Julie Moon 09:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Over at the naming convention page, a discussion has been started about moving Chicago and Philadelphia back to the city, state standard. All views and inputs are welcomed. Agne Cheese/ Wine 05:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
A user or group of users (apparently only on IRC) seem to have started a campaign to put gender stereotyping placeholder images which in my opinion are pointless and look worse than the original gender neutral ones. I don't really like these at all, but if we must have them we shouldn't use such ridiculous sterotyping images. Gender neutral one here Claude Bachand, female one Melissa Joan Hart, male one Christopher Lambert. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 20:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Got a couple of messages form out friendly neighborhood bot betacommandbot, about missing fair use rationale for a couple of images made a while ago for the reform of the main page project. A question I have is that are a fair use rationale required for "internal" wiki-stuff. The images in question are not important any more, it's just a general question. Image:Main Page Draft 1600x1200 A.png etc... → Aza Toth 13:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
If that bot interferes with you, just revert whatever it does. It (and the owner) are both currently the subject of a number of complaints on various pages. Jtrainor 17:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I decided to move this fragmented discussion here (I found a debate here after posting one here) since I think this area is appropriate and probably receives more traffic (meaning more consensus).
The debate is: should there be a space after abbreviations of two consecutive names? For example, should it be H.G. Wells or H. G. Wells? There has been no broad consensus on this, although wiki-guidelines say there should be a space.
I believe there should be a space because (1.) There should be spaces between words (2.) There's already a guideline in place, and (3.) I think it looks better.
Please use support (meaning you support the guideline in having a space), oppose, or comment for a clearer picture.
Sorry, but you can't enact a guideline through a majority vote, and certainly not on the village pump. >Radiant< 12:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I think this is one of those things we ought to do one way or another consistently. Whether or not to use a space between the initials of T. S. Eliot is entirely within the purview of a publication's style guide. We don't need to open a thousand cans of worms by making it a matter for competing google tests and accusations of POV. - GTBacchus( talk) 06:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject:Aircraft is currently considering what to do with lists like Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress serial numbers. A number of broadly similar lists have been created by the one user, but no-one else considers them to be encyclopedic. To put it in perspective, if this particular list were ever finished, it would be a list of some 12,000 serial numbers. Nevertheless, this list and others from the same contributor are well-researched, verifiable, and sourced, and it seems to me to be a shame to simply delete them out of existence. I'm wondering whether there's another wikimedia project where they could usefully and appropriately be transwikied to? -- Rlandmann 21:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The material has been collated from a variety of places, but I don't think that OR applies, because they're all secondary sources. I'm sure that the "bones" of the list of serial numbers exist somewhere out there, but these lists go a little beyond that into including brief notes on the fate of the individual aircraft (where known), their radio call signs, names, and other minutiae. A truly noble effort - but (a) not encyclopedic, and (b) probably a bad precedent for the next person who wants to create a list of the chassis numbers of every Model T Ford built (or serial numbers of Sony Playstation 2s, or whatever). -- Rlandmann 23:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I read once that there was this policy set up because really intellegent scholars would come onto wikipedia and be hassled off by losers. Anyone familar with this policy? 69.153.81.182 00:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The discusion is continued at Wikipedia talk:Requests for verification
A discussion is underway at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Age of unreferenced that in part suggests the use of the Wikitionary tag {{rfv}} to be used on new unreferenced articles (newer then January 1, 2007) which reads
The rationale being at some point Wikipedia needs to start enforcing WP:V and WP:OR currently the rebuttal's center on encouraging use of references without actually removing unreferenced material. Jeepday ( talk) 13:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The discusion is continued at Wikipedia talk:Requests for verification
Vishwin60 and I have been having a discussion on his talk page, and we'd like to get some more opinions. He mentioned in a comment that he thinks it is against policy for IP addresses to have user pages (later clarifying this to except redirects to the talk page), but I disagreed. He pointed to m:Anonymous user, but I don't think this actually disallows them - it just mentions why they are impractical in most cases. There are several examples of static IP address with user pages that have been started for them (because they are technically incapable of it), which then took to editing said user pages themselves. (Obviously I don't remember them off the top of my head, because they are comprised of numbers, but I will look around.) We'd like a third opinion on whether policy forbids IP address userpages. Picaroon (Talk) 19:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I am interested in changing my user name, but I found out that particular user name has been indefinitely blocked, and he has an empty contribution log. Is it still possible to ask for a WP:USURP?-- Kylohk 13:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I know that this proposal is almost certainly going to get shot down in flames, but I will float it out anyway.
The general policy of anonymity of editors, which most (but not all) follow, means that there is no way of contacting an editor except through the project user talk pages or through e-mail. It is not uncommon for editors to make quite close relationships, without either party knowing anything personal about the other. And if that is their mutual wish, fine.
But sometimes editors vanish unexpectedly and without warning, as User:Coelacan appears to have done, to the distress of his adoptee; and as User:DocEss did a few months ago, to my personal distress.
My proposal: that a register be formed of contact details of all editors; to be held in the office under strict security, and details to be released only by senior wiki officials (bureaucrats? stewards? Jimbo?) and only on the presentation of absolutely irrefutable reasons by editors whose identity can itself be verified, by e-mail or other means to be agreed.
It seems to me that there are rare occasions when the sudden and unannounced absence of an editor can cause serious concern, And I feel that some way of avoiding this situation could be considered. I welcome comments. -- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 23:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
A discussion is occuring at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Scrolling Reference List about whether that guideline should be edited to prohibit the use of scrolling reference lists in articles. One of the reasons advanced for this prohibition is that if such an article were printed, valuable information would not appear in the printout. I solicit your comments. -- Gerry Ashton 23:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added a picture to a page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Proofstep.gif). I have asked the permission to its author. I have mentioned the name of the author, the site of the author, the license ( a free one ) and incredibly the image is marked to be deleted. Simply I don't understand. -- Frédéric Liné 06:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there a policy or general standard for how soon an article can be renominated for deletion after it has survived an earlier AfD? I ask because List of atheist Nobel laureates (bundled with similar lists) was nominated for deletion only 2 days after it survived its first nomination. It just seems way too soon to revisit this issue. What is the policy or standard in such cases? Nick Graves 19:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
First of all, apologies if this has been discussed here before, but this is something I have come across many times and would like to discuss this to try and put a stop to the edit warring that is occurring.
There are many articles about Scots on Wikipedia - some sporting infoboxes have a nationality tag and in the case of anyone born in Scotland, their nationality is British, as Scotland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Many times I have seen their nationality set to Scottish with a Scottish flag alongside. In my eyes, this is wrong. Nationality is about which sovereign country you are from. If we allow autonomous communities to represent someone's nationality then that means including Quebec, Catalonia, Valencia, Bavaria, Walloon et al.
I'm in no way stating that we should not mention that someone is from Scotland, but as far as their nationality goes, describing someone as a Scottish national is plain wrong. Scottish nationality has not existed since 1707 when the United Kingdom was formed with the Acts of Union. People from the United Kingdom are British citizens, as described on their passports. I believe that stating otherwise is not NPOV, due to having political undertones to do with independence movements.
I would like to suggest that Wikipedia policy be amended to state that a person's nationality must refer to a sovereign state. Readro 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the important distinction should be the self-identification. If, for example, John Smith self-identifies as being Scottish, instead of British, then Wikipedia could indicate as such. If, however, John Smith does not express any public preference, then Jane Doe (Wikipedia editor/Scottish nationalist) should not be permitted to change "British" to "Scottish". Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat</font> spy 23:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
If your proposal were to go into effect we could never identify anyone as being a Kurd, for example, or the Korean runner who had to compete for Japan in the Olympics prior to World War II (can't remember his name now), would have to be listed as Japanese, even though he was Korean. Corvus cornix 03:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Nationality is a very personal characteristic, hugely important to many people. I am hesitant to tell Scots (for example) that they must register as Britons; my English friends, after all, refer to themselves as English, not as British. I don't consider it my right - nor Wikipedia's - to tell people what flag they should associate with their homeland, heritage, or self-identity. The "sovereign state" argument holds no water with me. Why not just ask people to input a longitude and latitude? This sidesteps the issue of citizenship and nationality entirely, and just identifies people by geographic location. 67.189.48.7 20:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, to reside in Scotland and vote in Scottish elections, you must be British. IE an English person has the same rights in Scotland as a Scot, because they are both British. As does a Scot in Wales, or a Welshman in London (I'm not going to touch Ireland!) They are represented overseas by a UK embassy, they die in Iraq under the Union Jack. They are all British. I believe that is what is meant by "nationality" in the info box, and for the sake of consistency that is what we should put there. If an individual identifies with an ethnic group or a separatist movement, then that can and probably should be mentioned elsewhere in the article. -- Michael Johnson 10:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the problem here is some people see the word "nationality" and think "citizenship," while others see the word "nationality" and think "a people having a common origin, tradition, and language." It's a relatively modern conceit that nationality and statehood are the same, few would have had trouble with this distinction during the imperial era when many states comprised multiple nations, or during the feudal era when nations might host many states. If the "Nationality" box is intended to convey citizenship, it should be re-named "Citizenship" to avoid ambiguity. Otherwise, it is not only unfair but inaccurate to conflate the two. Jmputnam 15:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
So I don want to sort through a pile of policy articles so is it OK to reference a prominent blogger that has "pondered over" a matter in a political allegation? I mean a prominent blogger has assumed something and is it OK to mention that this particular blogger assumed this and actually include it in an article (of course giving full credit the blogger, i.e., referencing the blogpost). Thanks! 354d 20:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Over at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content, User:Mosquera posits that Wikipedia:No original research forbids the use of many free images because they have never been published anywhere. I invite those familiar with NOR to comment. Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Fair Use Rationale: The Extended Mix. Thank you. howcheng { chat} 21:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I've been looking at a kind of serious article dispute that's sadly not uncommon, and where (for various reasons) current dispute resolution processes don't work well, or quickly enough. A number of articles are train-wrecked by this scenario, and a number of positive editors driven away.
The basic notion would address situations where a period of editorial supervision is better suited, rather than mediation or arbitration. These situations happen, and WP:DR doesn't handle it well right now. When they do, a disproportionate amount of damage is done to the project and to its editors. In some cases, I think we need a dispute resolution avenue that doesn't need to go to arbcom, that's supervisory rather than judicial (somewhat like Mentorship), and which is accessible much earlier on as one of many dispute options.
See Article supervision proposal (further notes on its talk page). Views welcomed. Looking to see whether others have noticed similar situations, and would support this as a useful option and approach, within existing dispute resolution processes. Examples available.
FT2 ( Talk | email) 09:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
... what consensus is not. The basic gist of it is "just because they are doing it in that article over there, it should not be taken as a given that it is necessarily right to do it in this article over here", or "look, they're doing it here and here and here" does not mean that it is necessarily the right thing to do, at all.
Does anyone know which guideline or policy I mean? Thanks! Joie de Vivre ° 17:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard could do with some more people commenting and keeping an eye open. Editors from a humanities background are especially welcome (you maths and science fellas do a pretty good job of monitoring fringe theory editing already). Cheers, Moreschi Talk 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Having this category added through and on Talk page makes it less visible, is there some policy decision behind this. Vjdchauhan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC).
There are around 900 identified notable Wikipedians can we have several subcategories of this category based on occupation/nationality as well. Again is there a policy decision to have one flat and large category of 'Notable Wikipedians'. Vjdchauhan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC).
Smcafirst requests that people not add a message to his talk page, but only to one of his subpages, or "I will not reply to you since I assume you are a bot". Is this acceptable, since it means that nobody can bring up the "you have new messages" box for him? -- NE2 22:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess I fail to see why we're dictating how he manage his user talk page on the grounds that there could hypothetically be a problem of some sort. WP:BURO -- leave him be until there's actually evidence of a problem, no? -- JayHenry 05:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
This seems to me to be an easy AGF issue... He has done nothing wrong, we are busy assigning motives and personality traits to this user because he wants to organize his talkpage a certain way. Comply with what he asks for; if he starts acting like a WP:DICK in his editing, respond accordingly, but I see no reason not to assume this is simply a way he wants to manage his filing system, and find no reason to think that he has some ulterior motive or is himself an undesirable. This works for him; comply with his request, and assume he has his good reasons for his system. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 04:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I happened across the template {{ CartoonNetworkImageTag}} just now, and I was wondering if the template applies only to shows directly produced/created by Cartoon Network, or if this was to be construed as a blanket template to be used for every show broadcast on Cartoon Network. I ask because I am in the middle of updating all my uploaded fair use images, and having uploaded several from shows broadcast on Adult Swim, I would like to know if I can use this template as an additional fair use claim. For the record the shows I have uploaded pictures from are Fullmetal Alchemist, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and several different Mobile Suit Gundam broadcasts on both Toonami and Adult Swim. TomStar81 ( Talk) 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I want to bring up the proposal at Wikipedia:Enforce inclusion of categories, which has been sitting around for a while. I believe much of this proposal could be implemented without a software update. Perhaps it would be possible to add a message to the "new article" page, instructing the user to include a category (e.g. near the "save" button). It would be even better if the wikicode for a category was also added automatically to the edit box on all new pages. I have heard that administrators can edit these boilerplate pages, but I am not sure of the extent of their powers.
I think the best way to do this would be to use a template similar to {{ Afd3 starter}} (shown when URL is, for example, [2]), which asks users to provide a general category code on articles for deletion. New articles would be placed in Category:New articles or a subcategory.
Categorization of new articles would help with a couple issues:
-- Eliyak T· C 08:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Bad categories can be worse than no categories. I'd rather see a long requested feature implemented: a way to get a random list of uncategorized pages. Right now, in Special:Uncategorizedpages, it's hard to get past the A's.-- agr 10:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with agr, unfamiliar users adding the completely wrong category could cause a lot of clean up work that is harder to find than an uncategorized article which can easily be tagged by a bot and dealt with by Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories/uncategorized, it would be much harder for a bot to find items which were just in wrong categories or only one high level category (i.e. Category:Living People). I do think an automatic tag of "New Article" might be a good idea as it would bring more attention to new articles that need work however if it ended up staying on for months or years with nobody seeing it then it wouldn't be doing anyone any good. It's a good idea overall, just I think it won't solve the problem entirely. Star dust 8212 12:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I still support the idea of a "warning screen" for uncategorized, unreferenced, unformatted and/or orphaned new articles. Most people creating these articles don't know they'll be problematic, but people could still create the article, they'd just know what the problem(s) are. We have articles that sit with cleanup tags for years... often the person who creates them is perfectly able to address the issue, they just leave before they realize there's a problem. -- W.marsh 15:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I could make this very long, but I'll make it short and sweet. Why are bus stations, subway stops, and train stations notable enough for inclusion. there are almost never sourced, and are very short. for example, see Yishun Bus Interchange. A few are well known, such as the NYC subway, but everyone else violates WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and makes articles for every little non-notable station and stop, many of which don't even exist anymore ( Calvert railway station). I just find this to be getting quite ridiculous. Reywas92 Talk 18:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Further to the above, I've started what is currently a completely skeletal proposal at User:Sambc/wip/Sprawl Control Policy Proposal. Feel free to use the associated talk page, but I'd lie to fill in some material before opening it for collaboration. SamBC 01:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
At two sections of WP:RS we need more voices to reach a consensus. More detailed explanation of what is a 'reliable' and 'unreliable' sources were recently merged from WP:ATT#FAQ, addressing issues such as whether particular sources such as newspapers or academic books are reliable or not, but now some users are removing the newly added sections. More comments on whether they should stay or not are needed.18:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I would actually like to request to be banned for 2 months. I have a bar exam in 9 days and I should be studying for this exam. Is that possible? If it is, please do so, this forces me to study :) Travb ( talk) 18:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer doesnt seem to work :(
I dont think Tom would boot me because of
Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Self-requested_blocks
Travb (
talk) 04:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
A debate has sprung up over inclusion of a cute math pun about Bring radicals, and I think we're in need of policy clarification. Should a humorous cartoon be used to supplement article content? Please pitch in on the talk page with any insight. I've re-started the discussion at the bottom with a summary of points made thus far. ~ Booya Bazooka 12:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Vote Responses: Spam: Valuable External Links:
I have tried repeatedly to add what I consider to be valuable external links to related wikipedia content. The links are to online recreational topographic maps of the geographic area covered in the wikipedia article. However, many editors have erased the external links and have threatened to ban me from Wikipedia for spamming, while other topics have retained my external links as relevant info. This has been disturbing to me, because the online maps that I have linked to are original content and valuable resources.
Please see the following links and respond to the content as Spam or as a Valuable External Link as a vote at the top of the page.
All of the following links are for geographic areas within Connecticut.
Rivers
Connecticut River: [ [3]]
Housatonic River: [ [4]]
Ten Mile River: [ [5]]
Sandy Brook: [ [6]]
Nepaug River: [ [7]]
Saugatuck River: [ [8]]
East River: [ [9]]
Hammonasset River: [ [10]]
Coginchaug River: [ [11]]
Quinnipiac River: [ [12]]
Farmington River: [ [13]]
Willimantic River: [ [14]]
Hockanum River: [ [15]]
Hop River: [ [16]]
Blackledge River: [ [17]]
Salmon River: [ [18]]
Jeremy River: [ [19]]
Yantic River: [ [20]]
Eightmile River: [ [21]]
Shetucket River: [ [22]]
Natchaug River: [ [23]]
Mount Hope River: [ [24]]
Trails
Appalachian: [ [25]]
Metacomet: [ [26]]
Mattabesett: [ [27]]
Hop River Bike Trail: [ [28]]
Airline Bike Trail: [ [29]]
Pachaug Trail: [ [30]]
CT Trail Directory: [ [31]]
State Forests
Cockaponset State Forest: [ [32]]
Pachaug State Forest: [ [33]]
Rock Climbing
Main Rock Page: [ [34]]
Bradley & Ragged Mountains: [ [35]]
Lamentation Mountain: [ [36]]
Cathole & East Peak Mountains: [ [37]]
Sleeping Giant State Park: [ [38]]
West Rock Ridge: [ [39]]
Chatfield Hollow: [ [40]]
Pine Ledge: [ [41]]
Whitestone: [ [42]]
Deer Cliff: [ [43]]
Saint John’s Ledges: [ [44]]
Beech Rock: [ [45]]
Diamond Ledge: [ [46]]
Campground Map
[ [47]]
CT Cycling Routes
Statewide: [ [48]]
Canaan: [ [49]]
Kent: [ [50]]
Washington: [ [51]]
Litchfield: [ [52]]
Burlington: [ [53]]
Milford: [ [54]]
Wallingford: [ [55]]
Valley-Shore: [ [56]]
Mystic: [ [57]]
Storrs: [ [58]]
Windsor: [ [59]]
Farmington: [ [60]]
New Hartford: [ [61]]
Thank You for Your Help,
Czimborbryan
FYI - There have been some changes made since I had first posted this inquirey. I stopped placing external links on articles posted by other editors because they were being deleted anyway. I decided to just keep these links to posts that I had made myself. For more information, see my talk page. Czimborbryan 12:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
First of all, apologies if this has been discussed here before, but this is something I have come across many times and would like to discuss this to try and put a stop to the edit warring that is occurring.
There are many articles about Scots on Wikipedia - some sporting infoboxes have a nationality tag and in the case of anyone born in Scotland, their nationality is British, as Scotland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Many times I have seen their nationality set to Scottish with a Scottish flag alongside. In my eyes, this is wrong. Nationality is about which sovereign country you are from. If we allow autonomous communities to represent someone's nationality then that means including Quebec, Catalonia, Valencia, Bavaria, Walloon et al.
I'm in no way stating that we should not mention that someone is from Scotland, but as far as their nationality goes, describing someone as a Scottish national is plain wrong. Scottish nationality has not existed since 1707 when the United Kingdom was formed with the Acts of Union. People from the United Kingdom are British citizens, as described on their passports. I believe that stating otherwise is not NPOV, due to having political undertones to do with independence movements.
I would like to suggest that Wikipedia policy be amended to state that a person's nationality must refer to a sovereign state. Readro 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the important distinction should be the self-identification. If, for example, John Smith self-identifies as being Scottish, instead of British, then Wikipedia could indicate as such. If, however, John Smith does not express any public preference, then Jane Doe (Wikipedia editor/Scottish nationalist) should not be permitted to change "British" to "Scottish". Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat</font> spy 23:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
If your proposal were to go into effect we could never identify anyone as being a Kurd, for example, or the Korean runner who had to compete for Japan in the Olympics prior to World War II (can't remember his name now), would have to be listed as Japanese, even though he was Korean. Corvus cornix 03:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Nationality is a very personal characteristic, hugely important to many people. I am hesitant to tell Scots (for example) that they must register as Britons; my English friends, after all, refer to themselves as English, not as British. I don't consider it my right - nor Wikipedia's - to tell people what flag they should associate with their homeland, heritage, or self-identity. The "sovereign state" argument holds no water with me. Why not just ask people to input a longitude and latitude? This sidesteps the issue of citizenship and nationality entirely, and just identifies people by geographic location. 67.189.48.7 20:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
As I understand it, to reside in Scotland and vote in Scottish elections, you must be British. IE an English person has the same rights in Scotland as a Scot, because they are both British. As does a Scot in Wales, or a Welshman in London (I'm not going to touch Ireland!) They are represented overseas by a UK embassy, they die in Iraq under the Union Jack. They are all British. I believe that is what is meant by "nationality" in the info box, and for the sake of consistency that is what we should put there. If an individual identifies with an ethnic group or a separatist movement, then that can and probably should be mentioned elsewhere in the article. -- Michael Johnson 10:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the problem here is some people see the word "nationality" and think "citizenship," while others see the word "nationality" and think "a people having a common origin, tradition, and language." It's a relatively modern conceit that nationality and statehood are the same, few would have had trouble with this distinction during the imperial era when many states comprised multiple nations, or during the feudal era when nations might host many states. If the "Nationality" box is intended to convey citizenship, it should be re-named "Citizenship" to avoid ambiguity. Otherwise, it is not only unfair but inaccurate to conflate the two. Jmputnam 15:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I put this in the wrong help section, I'm new :-)
For the page on " How to stop an exploding man" ( Heroes season finale) I though it would be useful to have a picture of Sylar's blood trail leading to the manhole cover. So I captured an image by putting it on Movie Maker and using the image capture tool. What license do I have to upload this file? I uploaded it (its Image:Blood-trail.jpg) and it says that it will be deleted within a week, what do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camydoga ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 17 July 2007
OK, this is perhaps more of a pondering than a serious problem, but if you'd join me in a train of thought....
So, there's a page; it's got a history and authors list, as the GFDL requires. It goes through a deletion debate, and gets merged - with a note saying where the content is merged from, so the authorship trail can be traced back (to the old page, which is now just a redirect) - fine. Next, a new article on a closely-related topic is created, and the redirect is moved to that. Then the new article gets AFD'd, and deleted, along with the redirect. Along with it goes the article history; non-admins can no longer see those earlier versions, and find that attribution information for information which is still in the encyclopedia. Isn't this a GFDL violation?
In practice, not a huge issue in this case - it's just a paragraph or two and they've probably been rewritten heavily since; but it would still be nice to have that article history (and the talk page history). Can it be restored? Does the GFDL require that it be restored? Even if not, should it be? TSP 22:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
is there a wikipedia policy known as "wikipedia is not a tabloid" or similar... with guidelines that say to not dig up embarassing personal or private information about a living person and post it in their article?-- Sonjaaa 15:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there a policy or general standard for how soon an article can be renominated for deletion after it has survived an earlier AfD? I ask because List of atheist Nobel laureates (bundled with similar lists) was nominated for deletion only 2 days after it survived its first nomination. It just seems way too soon to revisit this issue. What is the policy or standard in such cases? Nick Graves 19:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
When did history become citing previously printed material? Primary sources attempting to add accuracy to an item, regardless if there were 700 of them all in absolute agreement on one fact, would be kicked off by an ice cream scooper in Iowa. This entire enterprise is useless. Link2dan 18:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
A discussion is occuring at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Scrolling Reference List about whether that guideline should be edited to prohibit the use of scrolling reference lists in articles. One of the reasons advanced for this prohibition is that if such an article were printed, valuable information would not appear in the printout. I solicit your comments. -- Gerry Ashton 23:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added a picture to a page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Proofstep.gif). I have asked the permission to its author. I have mentioned the name of the author, the site of the author, the license ( a free one ) and incredibly the image is marked to be deleted. Simply I don't understand. -- Frédéric Liné 06:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm bothered by the "Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license" warning which appears on edit pages. Shouldn't have something that will also remind them to attribute the source if they do copy such GFDL text? BenB4 21:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen this frequently, an article is deleted at AfD and one of the editors wants to keep the article (for themself) copies it to one of their userspace pages.
Sometimes people in AfD discussions have asked to keep a copy in their userspace, but others have told them they can't because when an article is deleted it shouldn't remain on Wikipedia, including userpages. I saw one editor who asked the deleting admin to copy the article onto the editor's userspace page, but the admin refused and said he would only email the article to him because the deleted article shouldn't exist anywhere on Wikipedia. I'm not bothered either way, I'm just interested because I follow AfD a lot but there appears to be confusion over what the policy is (excluding anything to do with GDFL, which is mentioned sometimes when people say "delete and merge", because the edit history needs to be kept when merging). I've just registered an account, but I've been editing for a few months as an IP. Loopgains 19:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems rather unusual that such a controversial article as smoking could've appeared in the DYK. The "selection" section in Wikipedia:Did you know doesn't say much about the standard. It seems that few people care about that. Cheers.-- K.C. Tang 03:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Let's say I'm watching the page Foo. If Foo is deleted, I don't immediately see this in my watchlist. I will only see this if I go into the "full watchlist", but it doesn't show in recent changes (even if it was just deleted). I think we should be able to have immediate notification when a page is deleted. I think it is rare that a page is deleted, but for new pages that a user is watching, this request is reasonable. Timneu22 00:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
To try to improve the signal-to-noise ratio at AfD, I have posted a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy#Require_discussion_before_deletion that would require initiating a discussion on an article's talk page prior to initiating an AfD discussion. The reasons behind this proposal are in the discusion at the link above, and a previous discussion linked from there. Additional input from the community is requested in that forum. Dhaluza 13:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Recently, ChrisO changed Wikipedia:Copyrights in this edit. Prior to his change, the policy was:
After it, the policy became:
Key words here are "for example": prior to the change in policy, it stated that it was acceptable to link to any Internet archive, such as any of those in Category:Web archives. After the change, only Internet Archive's Wayback Machine became acceptable, and links to other archives must not be added to articles and should be removed. Note that this applies to archives of singular websites (a.k.a. web mirrors).
I think that this change of policy is unwarranted and that the policy should be changed back. And, in any way, that a wider discussion is needed for it. Nikola 01:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
A WP:LAME edit war, in which I have gotten involved against my better judgment, raises some issues relevant to the intersection of disambiguation and some other policies. Your comments are welcome at Talk:ALF#Request for Comment regarding ALF, Alf, primary topic, and appropriate disambiguation standards.
I came here way of researching the allegation by an editor in an article I'm involved with that it is unnecessary to put quotation marks around quotations of public domain material so long as the public domain source is cited. Such plagiarism would result in a very poor grade in high school or college paper, but I'm having a rough time finding any official policy that Wikipedia might have on it. I do see at the Wikipedia:Forum for Encyclopedic Standards that the proposed standards advocates Honesty, by properly indicating just what it is that is taken from a public domain source &, if it's the entire article, saying so. -- a standard with which I wholeheartedly agree. But can anyone point me to current Wikipedia policy about quotation of PD sources?
By way of background, in the article at issue (fully protected article Battle of Washita River; see also Talk:Battle of Washita River), it was discovered that there were a lengthy quote from a copyrighted source that was not in quotation marks (which has since been removed by an admin as a copyvio); but that there was also an lengthy quotation from a PD source with no quotation marks that had originally been sourced, but its source removed through sloppy editing during an edit war.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide. -- Yksin 19:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
As an encyclopedia containing nothing but editorial content, in almost all cases we are not required to obtain model releases to be able to use pictures of identifiable people. Sadly, however, there are many uses of such photographs which are prohibited or subject to legal action when a release has not been obtained. [62] For example, a model release would be required to place a Wikipedia picture of a person on front of a cereal box. Is this a problem analogous to the fact that we don't allow non-commercial restrictions in our images' licenses? ← Ben B4 06:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The current guideline for the naming of cities is badly in need of change, especially in regards to the United States section, but attempts to build consensus have stalled at the talk page. Please take a look at the discussion and give your opinion. Λυδαcιτγ 02:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Smcafirst requests that people not add a message to his talk page, but only to one of his subpages, or "I will not reply to you since I assume you are a bot". Is this acceptable, since it means that nobody can bring up the "you have new messages" box for him? -- NE2 22:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess I fail to see why we're dictating how he manage his user talk page on the grounds that there could hypothetically be a problem of some sort. WP:BURO -- leave him be until there's actually evidence of a problem, no? -- JayHenry 05:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
This seems to me to be an easy AGF issue... He has done nothing wrong, we are busy assigning motives and personality traits to this user because he wants to organize his talkpage a certain way. Comply with what he asks for; if he starts acting like a WP:DICK in his editing, respond accordingly, but I see no reason not to assume this is simply a way he wants to manage his filing system, and find no reason to think that he has some ulterior motive or is himself an undesirable. This works for him; comply with his request, and assume he has his good reasons for his system. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 04:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
A few days ago I posted here about quoting public domain sources and plagiarism. Now I'm proposing a policy or guideline about it. Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Proposed guideline: Plagiarism & join in discussion. Thanks. -- Yksin 00:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
In the sentence "Bush ran for president.", should president be capitalized? Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#Titles says "Titles such as president ... start with a capital letter when used as a title (followed by a name)... When used generically, they should be in lower case: "De Gaulle was the French president."" Is president here a general use of the word, similar to "Bush was the American president", or an abbreviation to the title "President of the United States"? How about "Bush was president."? Can the Manual of Style please be made more explicit about this particular case? - Pgan002 04:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Why does editors have the right to remove warnings? - Flubeca Talk 16:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Having this category added through and on Talk page makes it less visible, is there some policy decision behind this. Vjdchauhan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC).
There are around 900 identified notable Wikipedians can we have several subcategories of this category based on occupation/nationality as well. Again is there a policy decision to have one flat and large category of 'Notable Wikipedians'. Vjdchauhan 19:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC).