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As I already mentioned 2 days ago on the village pump (misc), the guidelines at WP:FUC and WP:FURG don't have the same standards for fair use rationales.
WP:FURG only asks for purpose, portion and replacability
WP:FUC requires much more, incl. a rationale for why there is no free version (which is totally obvious in most cases), minimal use, previous publication and significance (although there seem to be various interpretations of the last one).
What's even more confusing is that Betacommandbot's example of a good fair use rationale ( [1])is absolutely generic, while User:Durin, who seems to be the defender-in-chief for Betacommandbot, constantly argues that FURs have to be unique to each specific use in each specific article they're used in.
As long as the policy isn't clear, what's the use in tagging thousands of images.
Malc82 09:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
That really understates the "why." Betacommand lost his admin status for these reasons:
That's not just "running a bot under his own name". And it's ridiculous that THIS is the person running a large-scale image tagging and removal campaign, when he/she has shown before, he/she can't handle it. Jenolen speak it! 16:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the bot's user talk message (as of minutes ago) is:
there are two links to WP:FURG, specifically linking to "suggestions on how to do so". Malc82 11:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with Eagle101 and Kusma, copyright is non-negotiable. Where it is stated in policy that a fair use rationale must be included according to Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria policy, and the consequences of violating this policy could result in deletion of images, sanctions if repeatedly violated by a user or worse if a copyright problem occurs, then the Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline should not be a standard that everyone should follow, as a guideline is defined, but it should be a policy that everyone must follow. As well, should WP:FURG become policy, the file upload wizard for fair use images should be changed to allow the input (maybe even insist on a licence, source and fair use rationale before an image can be uploaded under fair use?) of a fair use rationale, alongside the source text box and licensing drop down box. -- tgheretford ( talk) 17:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This section was about the fact that WP:FURG, which is the guideline stating how to write FURs, didn't comply with WP:FUC, the policy. This problem has been more or less solved in the meantime (by addition of one sentence linking from FURG to FUC). That FURs are needed if the policy states so wasn't the question brought up here (although it's a good one). To which extent FURs are needed is a different debate at WP:FUC. If the bot is achieving what it is meant for in a constructive way is another ongoing debate, mainly at its talk page. Malc82 08:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Please note that Betacommandbot only tags images, it's still up to a human being to actually do the deleting. If you have a problem with the actual deletion, take it up with the admin who did the deleting. Corvus cornix 21:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
For those who might be interested, a very short "history" on FUR and FURG: WT:FURG#A little history on FURG. -- Ned Scott 05:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
If there is a fair use rationale for use of an album cover, does that rationale apply to articles about the songs on that album, or only to the album itself? Corvus cornix 20:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
A few days ago I was in process of applying a block to a persistent vandal, and on arriving at the block page I found that in addition to usual "account creation" and "IP block" boxes, a third box had appeared giving the option of applying an e-mail block.
This was not directly challenging, as on going to WP:BLOCK I was able to find out about it. But just coming across it was disconcerting - I missed User:Ryulongs comment in WP:AN where he announced that he wished this change implemented.
I would like to propose that when changes to the software are made which impinge directly and immediately oo administrator functions, an e-mail is sent out to all administrators (or, if preferred, all active administrators) notifying them of the change, with if necessary an indication as to where details of the change are posted.-- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 21:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
You can also subscribe to the mailing list ( wikitech-l) if you want to keep right up-to-date (you can also view this via Nabble if you don't want to clog up your inbox). HTH HAND â Phil | Talk 17:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to know why it is allowed to remove requests for citations within articles without providing said reference material.
This is supposed to be an educational site- yet people here post POV without citing credible sources.
How do you block someone from removing citation needed requests?
Thanks I vonH 20:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Does official Wikipedia policy reflect the consensus of editors. Is there a requirement for an administrator to uphold policy?
For example, if an editor is demonstrably uncivil, and I report it, should an Administrator be able to decide whether to ignore it, or should they be duty-bound to do something? And if the incivility continues, for how long can an Admin ignore it? -- 84.9.191.165 16:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Because our guidelines for when and when not to provide a citation are hopeless vague, the degree to which an article should have citations is a recurring problem with featured article candidates and reviews. A while back, I created user:Raul654/When to cite as a (work in progress) primer for when a citation is or is not required. Following yet another thread on wikipedia:attribution about this very issue, I've moved it to Wikipedia:When to cite with the intention of turning it from a workshop into policy. As the page says, I'm interested in getting as much input into this page as possible. Raul654 15:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
A discussion as to whether all schedules and programme lists for channels, along with a proposal for a change in What Wikipedia is not policy is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Schedules & program lists. -- tgheretford ( talk) 16:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to ask if there is any policy regarding the notability for festivals and their value in making films notable. I ask because I am in a discussion in New York International Independent Film and Video Festival and I stumbled on this (subscription to IMDB required), establishing some guidelines. What do you think? Stellatomailing 23:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'm not exactly sure where to put this, but I think this is the right place to ask this.
I am wondering something about Wikipedia's policies. Why is it Wikipedia's Policy to merge separate articles. The cases I'm thinking about specificlly, are character pages. For example, Midna from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess originally had her own article. It was then merged into the List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess article.
My question is, shouldn't every separate idea, in this case, Video Game characters, have their own article?
I think each having a separate article adds to the overall detail of Wikipedia.
-- Mooshykris 19:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
New proposed guideline: Wikipedia:Relevance. It's a big subject, naturally, so wide participation in its discussion is requested. See Wikipedia talk:Relevance for the rationale for its creation.-- Father Goose 04:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
There seem to be a lot of bots that do remove vandalism on Wikipedia quite effectively...however a huge section was deleted from London Bridge yesterday [3] at 00:46 which I have only just restored- seemingly noone who monitors that article having noticed it? Is this a flaw in the bot system? Why did it not stop this? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 00:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Final warnings are often a powerful enough deterrent to keep them out of action for a while, I've rarely reported users I gave final warnings to on WP:AIV since they often stop.-- Kylohk 15:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Should we maintain huge lists of persons known by a certain first name as, e.g., in Sophia? What's the point? Do we really expect that people would search, say, Sophie Amundsen, under "Sophia"? -- Ghirla -ÑÑÑп- 22:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm interested in proposing to my girlfriend by creating a wikipedia page in which the search criteria are her first name and my last name. I've checked, and the page doesn't already exist. Is this a violation of the rules for article content? I don't really care if it gets deleted after the proposal, although it would be kind of nice if it remained on the site for a while for our friends and family who are interested to view it. Any info. would be great.
Thanks.
Ho ho. If you want to propose, just go pay her a visit! Wikipedia's not the place to do such things since it's not a social network, and your fiancee doesn't seem to be notable enough to warrent an article. Congratulations, by the way.-- Kylohk 15:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Notability (films) has been debated as a proposed guideline for some time now. Two editors now propose that it be adopted as a guideline since there has been no discussion pro or con for some time. This seems to be reverse logic to me, but I'm tired of fighting that fight. I suggest that anyone with an interest visit that discussion ASAP. -- Kevin Murray 12:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
(firstly, sorry my english is not good enough)
I often read articles about Jewish people from differrnt countries. However, the fact they are Jewish is never mentioned absolutely. First of all it isn't written in the opening paragraph only in "Early life" or "History". But, even in these paragraphes the fact is not cleared, for example ( Albert Einstein):"Albert Einstein was born into a Jewish family in Ulm, Württemberg, Germany..." The fact he was born to a jewish family doesn't necessarily mean he is Jewish; it should be like "albert Einstain is Jewish-German-American". Secondly, Judaism (not as Christianity or Islam) is not only a religion but it is also tradition, culture, nationality and race. Therfore it is that important to write it in the opening paragraph clearly in addition to writing other origin/nationality.
GOER 17:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
The first G-hit with the terms 'Einstein' and 'Jewish' is from the American Museum of Natural History. It reads in part:
As a young boy in Germany, Einstein was inspired to observe Jewish religious practices, but as he grew more fascinated by science, his interest in organized religion faded. Yet he retained a powerful sense of his Jewish identity. Einstein once referred to his relationship to the Jewish people as "his strongest human bond." In 1919, Einstein joined the Zionist movement and supported the establishment of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East. At the same time, he stressed the need for cooperation between Jews and Arabs.
However, the current section in the article that describes Einstein's religious views (which appears to be well sourced), tells me the question isn't settled, because it's not clear that Einstein believed in the God of the Bible. So for these types of situations, when it's important to discuss someone's relationship to Judaism (or any other -ism) why not go the extra mile and describe the relationship thoughtfully? In all its complexity? The question "What does it mean to be Jewish?" is philosophical, defies a simple answer, and Einstein was a complex man. Can a Jew reject the God of the Bible and still be a Jew? If there's a consensus about this point within Judaism, then it's reasonable to refer to Einstein as Jewish in the lede. MoodyGroove 22:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
The question of what should go in an article depends partially on its Wikipedia quality grade. Wikipedia's quality scale for biography articles is here. Any one editor can grade an article as Stub, Start, or B status (think development status). However, GA, A, or FA status (think refinement status) usually is determined through agreement between two or more editors. In particular, what goes in or remains out of GA, A, or FA articles is guided by predetermined criteria: Good Article (GA) criteria, A article criteria, and Featured Article (FA) criteria. Albert Einstein now is an A class article. Whether the Albert Einstein article should include a statement such as " Albert Einstein is Jewish-German-American" can be answered by reviewing the available Wikipedia reliable source material against the A article criteria. Not all facts or information about a person makes it into a GA, A, or FA article. However, if a statement such as " Albert Einstein is Jewish-German-American" meets A article criteria, then it should be added. As for articles falling in Stub, Start, or B status, they have less criteria than GA, A, or FA articles. Some of the information about Stub, Start, or B status is listed in the quality scale. A lot of it has to do with whether the information to be added is supported by a Wikipedia reliable source. Generally, whether a statement such as "xxxxxxx is Jewish-American" should go in a particular Stub, Start, or B status article can be answered by reviewing Wikipedia's five article standards. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 14:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
This template makes a row in a table, which can easily be made with table formatting. The table formatting is more flexible, allowing for cases like a bridge on a county line. The template is also harder for new editors to learn. Why do we use this? -- NE2 21:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone can make a mistake every once in a while. Even a big one, like 3RR violation, that normally earns a block under the rules. When you make that mistake after 3 years of productive contribution rather than 15 minutes after registering though, people are more understanding and less likely to block you or claim you're a vandal. Since blocking is intended to be preventative of future damage rather than a punishment, this is both sensible and in accordance with the spirit of the rules. If you are a productive long-standing member, we have seen your actions and know that you are not trying to harm Wikipedia. As such, it is much harder to justify blocking you preventively vs. warning you that you just did something that would normally earn a block and should make sure not to do it again. -- tjstrf talk 20:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Asshole anons and asshole established editors are still assholes. Position in the community should have very little weight on any administrative issues (though note I said "should" and not "doesn't"). It's not like we'd turn a blind eye if Jimbo deleted the main page or anything. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I think Wikipedia should have a function that allows readers to send articles through email. The sender should be able to include their name, email address, and a brief note.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.51.81.217 ( talk • contribs)
I'm aware there was recently a large RfC regarding {{spoiler}}, but I simply don't have the time to delve through all the talk. Would it be appropriate to place a spoiler warning in a section of an article about a TV show regarding events which not have aired? Thanks. east . 718 21:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through CAT:TEMP today, and I noticed the huge amount of user talk pages in the category. Should user talk pages be ignored when deleting pages in this category, or should they be deleted just like a user page? Sean William @ 23:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
-- Jreferee ( Talk) 17:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Indefinitely blocked userpages are deleted after roughly a month, as the category description explains, except for sockpuppets and banned users. The category allows administrators assisted by scripts to easily find such pages, without false positives such as Wikipedia:Template messages/User namespace.
The images used for the flags at the Brethren Court article are listed as being on Commons, some of them created by users, others copied from other sites with claims of GFDL. But all of them are derived images from the film. Can somebody take an image like a flag, from a movie, draw it up, and then claim they own the copyright to it and release it for Wikipedia's use? Corvus cornix 23:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Can screen shots from movies or TV shows be used to illustrate articles about the characters who appear in the screen shot? Or can they only be used in articles about the shows/films themselves? Corvus cornix 22:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have started a notability proposal for awards. I invite everyone to edit the proposal and comment on the talk page. - N 17:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
What is the policy on deleting from a article's discussion page? Having not paid attention to an old discussion from months and months ago (which seems to have been resolved), I'm unhappy with some of the aspersions cast therein! Any suggestions? Blaise Joshua 12:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
In mid-April, a major change to WP:RS went by with little notice. Previously, the "Scholarship" section began:
It was changed by this edit to read:
(Substantive changes are bolded.) Notice that this puts scholarly and non-scholarly sources on an equal footing. Do we really want to put newspaper op-eds and the like on a par with peer-reviewed journals and reports from the National Academy of Science? I'm really bothered by the fact that a major change to one of Wikipedia's most important principles went by with nary a peep, and was implemented with an edit summary of "tidied writing, removed bits that made little sense or stated the obvious."
More discussion here, which I encourage all interested to read. Raymond Arritt 22:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Straw poll on the proposed replacement for this section. Tim Vickers 22:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I've been seeing a major problem with "semi-protected" pages especially in relation to the Brock Lesnar page. Though there are numerous other pages with the same problem, My personal experience is with that page. That page is on an "indefinite full protection"(it keeps being re-protected when the time expires, for months on end) apparently due to a single vandal making sockpuppet accounts. Apparently this person makes "sleeper accounts" and waits for a few days to be able to edit semi-protected articles and then vandalizes them. I wanted to know if it would be possible to change the policy to make it so editors can't edit semi-protected pages unless they have both waited 5 days as well as have made at least a dozen good non-vandalism edits. This would erase the possibility of making "sleeper accounts" because most vandals would not go through the trouble of making 12 good edits simply to make one vandalism edit which will instantly get reverted and get them banned as a sockpuppet. I believe this would drastically decrease the amount of vandalism to semi-protected pages on Wikipedia and prevent pages such as Brock Lesnar (just a single example among many) from being indefinitely protected due to fear of a single vandal. We're currently being held hostage by vandals with "sleeper" sockpuppets who are able to vandalize pages after waiting the amount of time needed to edit semi-protected pages. We need to make it so in order to edit semi-protected pages you need at least 12 good edits and must be a registered user for at least 5 days. When I say "good edits" I simply mean edits of anykind because if they were vandalism, the person would be banned before ever being able to get to the necessary 12 to vandalize semi-protected pages. Both the waiting period and the minimum edit-count would be required to curtail many vandals who vandalize semi-protected pages. It should be both a waiting period of a few days as well as an edit minimum prior to being able to edit semi-protected pages. If they had a choice they would choose to build sleeper sock puppets, making several at a time just to wait out the time period and then vandalize pages. There needs to be both a waiting period as well as an edit minimum prior to being able to edit semi-protected pages. I got support for this when I posted it on Wikipedia talk:Protection policy and was told I should bring it here which has higher traffic. I would like some input on this proposal as well as methods for enacting such a policy. I believe it would drastically improve our ability to fight vandalism against semi-protected articles and spot vandals prior to them being able to edit semi-protected articles. Wikidudeman (talk) 11:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, just so everyone knows, I've created a draft proposal at Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed Proposal about this change, and I've also got confirmation from a dev that this is possible. So lets get this implemented soon. - Royalguard11( Talk· Review Me!) 01:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to incorporate a new wording on reliable sources (that is based on a proposal that was approved unanimously in a straw poll at the WP:Reliable sources talk page) into the WP:Verifiability policy. The proposed new section is on the policy talk page at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Sources 2. Tim Vickers 20:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I had a disagreement about the name/nature of a spin off page recently that was unresolved. In the interest of WP:AGF I've given some time for everyone to cool off, but I still would like to resolve the dispute and be able to apply the resolution to my future interactions regarding similar future issues. On the L. Ron Hubbard article, I added a significant amount of information concerning his service during WW 2. The info was spun off into an article now called L. Ron Hubbard and the military.
Summary style is the way large articles are organized and trimmed down to sizes which are outlined in WP:SIZE. Since the WW2 service was spun off I maintain that the new article should be about the information moved from the main article.
Several respected editors assert that the new article is not an extension of the original article into a series. They gave me the impression the article is a sort of sub-page for detailed discussion of his relationship with the military in general via his brief USMC service and later forming a paramilitary type organization.
I simply want to know how this guideline is interpreted. Anynobody 00:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
It is a difficult situation, since both arguments do make sense. How I came to the view I have was by laying them each out in a flowchart and seeing which one "flowed" better (FYI The Sea Org is the paramilitary organization I was referring to.) Anynobody 01:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Visviva I don't disagree with your point, but if the article were to be split how should the split page be treated? (Not just for Hubbard but any article) Anynobody 01:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion taking place here regarding whether infoboxes should be used for opera singers. Please weigh in if you'd like. (Notes left at WP:VP, WT:WPBIO, WT:CM, and WT:MUSICIANS.) -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 00:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
If a user who may be in danger of a ban claims to have created many sockpuppets in advance for the purpose of harassing certain users in the future, what would be the right course of action to take? DrumCarton 13:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I have been attempting to upload a picture file, and have now secured for it the CC 3.0 license. However, my Wikipedia mentor has told me that it hasn't been declared free enough for our use here on Wikipedia. I would like to know, when do you think this license, more so than the 2.0 or 2.5, might become free enough for standard Wikipedia use? While I want to attempt to secure a lower-level (2.0, 2.5, etc) license in the meantime, I really would like to know why this current license is not also relevant. Thank you, Mediathink 02:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
If it's an image for an article, you may want to see if it falls under Fair use. Od Mishehu 08:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I, User:WHEELER was one of the early editors at Wikipedia. I was chased off awhile back. I came back on just to add Sparta as a republic at List of republics. I am constantly reverted. I have a ton of evidence! I posted all of it. But the last time I was one the biggest policy was NPOV but now I have come across another even greater policy "PER CONSENSUS". You state that Wikipedia is NOT a democracy---But in the bowells of Wikipedia--there is Clique that I must pass muster and no matter how much evidence-----------I am reverted! Consensus? How does a Monarchist, a traditionalist as myself, have "consensus" with Marxists? I can't edit the republic article because I am constantly reverted! I had my article The Spartan Republic published at Sparta a Journal. Yet, I post this, and the Clique will NOT allow Sparta on the list of republics. Why is that? Furthermore, how can you have NPOV when a Consensus must approve of my edit? that is Illogical! What happened to verifiability and NPOV? You can't have NPOV AND consensus at the same time---that is illogical. I am glad I am at Wikinfo. I don't have to satisfy a clique of Marxists!!! WHEELER 19:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I said I was open to negotiation at the Talk:Republic page. I am very open to negotiation. I placed my references. They were deleted. I ask with references being deleted why verifiability? Everything I post is with references. That doesn't seem to matter at all. WHEELER 21:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Getting a little more PISSED OFFYou talk of consensus. I am on Talk:List of republics. I have refuted every argument, and placed copious amounts of references. Just now, I go back and User:Pmanderson has just reverted and added his own stuff. I have the quotes. Paul A. Rahe said Sparta IS a republic. Where is the discussion? THERE IS NO discussion on the talk page. Pmanderson refuses to acknowledge references! I am not leaving. Sparta is a republic and IT WILL BE PLACED on that page! NPOV is the WP policy! Who is going to enforce NPOV over the clique that guards those articles.! He even deleted the references. Sparta and Crete had the only references on that page---and User:Pmanderson erases it all. What's up Wikipedia? What is going on Wikipedia? WHEELER 21:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Where is the negotiation? WHEELER 21:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Mr. Sancho for starting negotiations. I am at Talk:Republic. WHEELER 22:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Regarding your question on consensus and other policies
I think you've missed something here; perhaps I can explain. Wikipedia's policy of consensus does not override other policies, it's how those other policies work. It is through a consensus that phrasing is accepted as NPOV, it is by consensus that we judge whether references are relevant and useful where there is uncertainty. If we did not seek consensus, every single person would simply battle away with their own personal view of the One NPOV Truth, and we would be left with permanent edit wars and incoherent, contradictory articles. Hope this makes sense. -- Nema Fakei 00:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I have had reference upon reference that backed each other up and he deletes it. Pmanderson refers to I. M. Finley who calles Muller's research a "Thousand page fantasia". Now, Muller is critical of democracy and is a promoter of Aristocracy. I read his book--It is fantastic. Werner Jaeger, the German classicist who wrote the magesterial Paideia quotes him. I. M Finley is a Communist and a member of the Frankfurt School. Just because this Commie belittles a book, gives the right to User:Pmanderson to discount every reference from Mr. Muller. This is consensus. On references to Paul A. Rahe. User:Pmanderson says Rahe is an eccentric, so the Consensus says--we discount him. By attacking all my references, the clique in control, "This secret consensus", can discredit every single reference I have! This is now Wikipedia Policy! I have had enough of this BS. WHEELER 01:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC) I tried explaining this on the policy page a long time ago. What happened with the Classical definition of republic is that a whole bunch of British (modern) republicans ganged up and voted that off! FACT: over some 80% of all American faculty of colleges and universities ARE democrats and especially Socialists. Socialists do manipulate language and learning to further their ideology! That is a Fact. With a majority who are democrats and socialists teaching a majority of people----Me and people like me, Old School, traditionalists, Monarchists---are shit out of luck. With your """consensus""" you ensure that we are marginalized and censored. But that is the whole point of WHO CREATED THE Consensus Policy at Wikipedia! WHEELER 01:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC) Remember to stay civil in your comments and please do not jump to conclusions such as Wikipedia's consensus policys being only supportive of a certain political ideology. Captain panda 02:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC) |
Korean wikipedia admin say following:
It is Official Policy of wikipedia project?
I Can't quote any copyritghted texts? It is nonsense.
I want to know what is foundation's official policy.
I think korean admins do vandal acts. -- WonYong ( talk ⢠contribs ⢠count ⢠logs ⢠email) 06:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Article 25 (Quotations from Works Made Public)
It shall be permissible to make quotations from a work already being made public; provided that they are within a reasonable limit for news reporting, criticism, education and research, etc. and compatible with fair practice.
Community input is solicited regarding significant changes to interpretation and use of the biographies of living persons policy. Please make comments or suggestions at the talk page. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
As I already mentioned 2 days ago on the village pump (misc), the guidelines at WP:FUC and WP:FURG don't have the same standards for fair use rationales.
WP:FURG only asks for purpose, portion and replacability
WP:FUC requires much more, incl. a rationale for why there is no free version (which is totally obvious in most cases), minimal use, previous publication and significance (although there seem to be various interpretations of the last one).
What's even more confusing is that Betacommandbot's example of a good fair use rationale ( [8])is absolutely generic, while User:Durin, who seems to be the defender-in-chief for Betacommandbot, constantly argues that FURs have to be unique to each specific use in each specific article they're used in.
As long as the policy isn't clear, what's the use in tagging thousands of images.
Malc82 09:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
That really understates the "why." Betacommand lost his admin status for these reasons:
That's not just "running a bot under his own name". And it's ridiculous that THIS is the person running a large-scale image tagging and removal campaign, when he/she has shown before, he/she can't handle it. Jenolen speak it! 16:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the bot's user talk message (as of minutes ago) is:
there are two links to WP:FURG, specifically linking to "suggestions on how to do so". Malc82 11:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with Eagle101 and Kusma, copyright is non-negotiable. Where it is stated in policy that a fair use rationale must be included according to Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria policy, and the consequences of violating this policy could result in deletion of images, sanctions if repeatedly violated by a user or worse if a copyright problem occurs, then the Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline should not be a standard that everyone should follow, as a guideline is defined, but it should be a policy that everyone must follow. As well, should WP:FURG become policy, the file upload wizard for fair use images should be changed to allow the input (maybe even insist on a licence, source and fair use rationale before an image can be uploaded under fair use?) of a fair use rationale, alongside the source text box and licensing drop down box. -- tgheretford ( talk) 17:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This section was about the fact that WP:FURG, which is the guideline stating how to write FURs, didn't comply with WP:FUC, the policy. This problem has been more or less solved in the meantime (by addition of one sentence linking from FURG to FUC). That FURs are needed if the policy states so wasn't the question brought up here (although it's a good one). To which extent FURs are needed is a different debate at WP:FUC. If the bot is achieving what it is meant for in a constructive way is another ongoing debate, mainly at its talk page. Malc82 08:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Please note that Betacommandbot only tags images, it's still up to a human being to actually do the deleting. If you have a problem with the actual deletion, take it up with the admin who did the deleting. Corvus cornix 21:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
For those who might be interested, a very short "history" on FUR and FURG: WT:FURG#A little history on FURG. -- Ned Scott 05:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest to enact a policy against usernames with less than three letters in it. This becuase of the following reasons:
I hope I didn't miss anything. I think there should be a policy to avoid too short usernames, especially usernames with only one or two letters in it. → Aza Toth 07:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll take these in turn.
User:Y's username excites one emotion in me: Envy. Why didn't I think of it and grab it for myself first? But I didn't; they did, and good for them. -- Hoary 07:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, that proposed policy seemed to be assuming bad things about those users. If you are meant to assume good faith but not elitism, you shouldn't restrict short user names, especially if a minority of users will actually have the envy to take users names to be "personalized license plates".-- Kylohk 19:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I, for one, am against passing more rules restricting user conduct based on somebody suddenly deciding that something was annoying or offensive... people are almost unlimited in their capacity to find things annoying or offensive if they go out of their way to look for them. *Dan T.* 18:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
There's a discussion going on at this page involving a change to "What Wikipedia is not" that I want to bring up here, involving the word "indiscriminate" and how its vagueness is causing problems. To repeat the topic sentence: "I find often in AFDs people are misusing "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". The problem seems to be with the word "indiscriminate", which people either don't understand or find vague. It seems some people think this term can be applied to any list, and many other articles. Not to mention, the title of the section doesn't have all the much to do with the section itself. My suggestion is to retitle the section something like "Wikipedia is not a guidebook or instruction manual". And to put a separate section under notability or lists which is something like "Article subjects should not be indiscriminately thrown together" (example: Not indiscriminate - List of United States Senators from Ohio, indiscriminate - List of United States Senators with three or more 'E's in their name)." CitiCat 22:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I've recommended an addition to the exceptions for our WP:3RR policy. Comments requested please at Wikipedia_talk:Three-revert_rule#Recommended_additional_exception. Thanks, -- Durin 14:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Would this be best as a separate proposal, or floated first on the talk page of Wikipedia:User access levels, Wikipedia:Articles for creation, or here on the Village Pump? I really don't think the VP has the permanence to discuss intelligently an issue of this magnitude, and the last thing I want to do is take it to the mailing list like Jimbo did when he instituted the original change. Please see Renesis's idea at Wikipedia_talk:Autoconfirmed_Proposal#Mainspace.3F if you want to see where it's at presently, but it's really tangential to the actual proposal there. -- nae' blis 15:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC) (not logged in at present)
I've been busy reverting vandalism today, but I don't really feel at ease with leaving my signature on all the talk pages of the vandals (my userpage is likely to get vandalised). Would it be okay if I don't sign these warnings? If not what arguments are there for having to sign on these pages? Freestyle 20:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Do we need another subject specific guideline at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Notability. Trying to define notability of team sports has been tried at WP:ORG without acceptance, and now is being tried again independently. It seems to be more well intentioned but congestive creep. -- Kevin Murray 23:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to incorporate a new term ("ownership forking") to describe portions of existing guidelines on content forking.. Discussion on the proposed clarification is on the guideline talk page at Ownership forking revision proposal. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 15:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Are victims of 9/11 inherently notable? I ran across Waleska Martínez, who seems to be notable solely because she was a victim. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 21:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Précis: No, they are not. And the desire of people to write memorials for them on Wikipedia was why the September 11 wiki was created in the first place. Uncle G 14:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
I've spent a fair bit of time reading Wikipedia policy, and I think that AGF is a bit silly.
By all means, an account that has been doing good work for sometime should be afforded good faith.
But IMO a brand new account that does something stupid... it should probably be blocked for an hour. But the block message should be some sort of non-accusatory one that clearly states:
Thoughts? Best username yet 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
<big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big>WANKER
which I have seen today, but the person got a warning about it. I can't see how that is a genuine mistake, really. 00:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I use Wikipedia almost every single day. I use it to read up on all types of things in my career field, math and sciences. If I had to purchase books with the variety of information that I need, I would have to spend a fortune.
I think of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, much like the old World Book encyclopedia. And never during my encounters with a World Book encyclopedia, was I able to encounter photos of a woman with cum / semen / jizz on her neck. Nor in World Book was I able to find photos of a woman who had been 'creampied'. (Porn term for 'the dude came inside of her and the viewing audience gets to watch it drip out.')
However, while I was trying to learn about Pearls, (about which many children and teens might have to write a book report), I found that I was able to access an article on the sexual connotation of Pearl Necklace. It had a charming photo of a woman with semen on her neck.
To see how pervasive this was, I began typing in other sexual terms (as a curious young teen would do) and I was able to find photos and movies of a guy's erection shooting semen through the air and well as of a woman's vagina dripping semen out of it. There was also a wealth of information about bukkake and bios on p*rn stars that led to other porn star bios and other sexual articles.
Now, I read you policy about not really attempting to censor articles. But I think that you are asking for future legislative trouble, if a virtual encyclopedia becomes the avenue used to spread pornography to the masses.
There already seem to be 'billions and billions' (Carl Sagan term) of places that a person can go to if they want to be 'informed' about creampies, bukkake, pearl necklaces, deepthroat, etc. I hate to see a respected virtual encyclopedia, dedicated to becoming the CENTER of the spread of knowledge, become the CENTER of the spread of porn photos.
I mean really . . . do you want some child 'spreading the news' to other children (and eventually his parents and teachers) that they get their best porn from Wikipedia?
Think about that 'censorship' clause again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Software engineer 1 ( talk • contribs)
Well, if you don't want to know about those things, don't visit that page. If a page related to those things has too many images that are of bad taste, there is nothing wrong with you removing several of them since Wikipedia's not a photo gallery. The topics can be there, but fortunately they aren't supposed to be saturated with images. So this problem is kind of covered.-- Kylohk 19:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The (N)POV guidelines indicate "If the issues are minor and there is no recent discussion, remove the tag". The Neutrality Project guidelines recommend changing the POV tag to POV-check to request a review.
As the author of an article that's been recently tagged, my bias is that the issues flagged on my article are minor or unfounded - and I'm inclined to just remove the tag... so I'm requesting input/recommendations; is this the right place to post such questions/discussions? Background below:
An editor recently added a couple of Neutrality Disputed flags on one of my articles:
Perl OpenGL (POGL)
His concerns were fair enough, so I responded to his issues on the article's talk page, and sent him an email asking what more, if anything, he felt was required in order to remove the flags.
There's been no response on the talk page or by email. As the author of the article, as well as one of the authors of opensource module presented in the article - I accept that I may be unintentionally biased - and I'm open to constructive suggestions for improving the article.
However, since all the benchmarks referenced in the article are available as source and reproducible by anyone who has the desire to do so, I'm unclear as to why the article's neutrality is being flagged - other than the simple fact that I'm author of both the article and subject.
I figured I'd wait for a week to see if there were any further comments, and if not - just remove the POV flags.
Thanks in advance for any feedback/recommendations!
I dont understand how I can see if a picture used in an article is copyrighted or not. Such as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Morgen53.jpg . This is a picture taken from a memoir book, but is it infriging to use this picture or is it legal, as i could not see much info about it. Korrybean 07:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
This template makes a row in a table, which can easily be made with table formatting. The table formatting is more flexible, allowing for cases like a bridge on a county line. The template is also harder for new editors to learn. Why do we use this? -- NE2 21:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
How about creating a list of new pages that are somehow related to Wikipedia so that other users can link the pages on existing Wikipedia-related pages if they think it's related, it might already exist considering the size of Wikipedia, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Jeffrey.Kleykamp 13:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Would it be a totally gonzo policy for findings from scientific literature to take precedence over media hype? Reputable newspapers are valuable resource for some subject areas, but when it comes to those that are amply covered in journals, such as global warming, editors selectively adding speculation from them can be a big waste of time to those of us that take the time to glean material from peer reviewed articles. I'm referring to the media reporting this Dutch dossier based on British Petroleum data, which some editors have taken as a warrant to replace the current, scientifically informed, stance. I'd appreciate it if some of you would follow up the discussions on talk:global warming and talk:List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions, bearing in mind that what we are looking at is a SINGLE informal instance of guestimation being used to refute the climatological papers that get published every week, all using the official EIA data. Thank you. Bendž| Ť 20:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
There is a fairly large collection of articles on Wikipedia on first names (such as Stephanie or Tamara (name)), as well as surnames (such as Leonard (surname) or Thompson). Many of these articles (see links for examples) are dominated by long lists of "Notable people named x." To me, these seem unencyclopedic (few people would go to the Johnson article trying to find Samuel Curtis Johnson, Sr., for instance) and should generally be avoided. While the penumbra cast by WP:TRIVIA, WP:OVERLINK, and WP:NOT seems to be consistent with this view, what would people think of making this part of the Manual of Style? It could either be a seperate page on MOS for articles about names, or added to/subsection of Wikipedia:Proper names or WP:TRIVIA. Thoughts? -- TeaDrinker 00:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
This just in: Category:Middle names. That may be going too far (if we haven't already). -- JHunterJ 11:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Deletion policy/names and surnames and its talk page. Uncle G 14:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Backstory: a particular user edited his own Editor Review page, violated 3RR, and then wasn't blocked per 3RR because users are given "serious laditude" over pages in their userspace: [11]. The rest of this post is cut-and-paste from WP:AN because I would like this issue to be discussed by a broader range of wikipedians than just Admins and people who have something to report. The way I see it, there are three issues here:
As an Editor Review is entered into voluntarily, and occasionally to "test the waters," as it were, for a run at adminship, I believe that once created, a user should leave the substance of reviews regarding them alone. This is both to the end of maintaining an atmosphere that allows for free expression of thoughts on an ER, and maintaining an accurate records of people's opinions of an editor seeking review. What is the good of an ER if people are worried that negative reviews constitute harassment or vandalism? What is the good of reviewing an editor's ERs when said editor is seeking elected position if the editor has cleaned every negative comment up? To that end, I believe that an editor (1) should not be allowed to remove comments from their own ER. If something is harassment or vandalism, it should be obvious enough that someone else can clean it up. It follows that (2) 3RR vio's on ER pages should certainly constitute serious violations. Finally, because of the previously listed reasons, an ER should (3) not constitute a personal page, and the reviewed party should not be affored WP:OWNership rights over it. It is in the WP namespace, not the User namespace, for a reason. 65.30.184.61 05:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
As of March 2007, Arbitrators are no longer required to provide a rationale for their RfAr vote when requested. (edit diff) The explanation provided is that one person decided to make the Arbitrators more elite and less transparent. (editor's talk page) The policy phrasing is also more ambiguous. ( SEWilco 15:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC))
There is an interesting proposal at WP:RS to creating an inline tag for situations where a source is reliable, but hardly the best of sources available. The proposed wording would be something polite and non-confrontational, like [more reliable source requested]. To give you an idea of where such a tag might be used... take an article on an historical topic, containing a statment that cites to a Histroy Channel documentary as a fact source. While the History Channel is not completely unreliable, I hope you would agree that there are probably sources that are more reliable for the same information. However, more community input is needed. (Please join the discussion at Wikipedia Talk:Reliable sources#Inline tag?) Blueboar 22:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wheel war says "A wheel war is a struggle between two or more admins in which they undo another's administrative actions".
It then lists some actions: "specifically, unblocking and reblocking a user; undeleting and redeleting; or unprotecting and reprotecting an article."
Does "specifically" in this sentence mean "limited to only these examples", or "including (but not limited to) these specific examples"?
In other words, what counts?
— Omegatron 05:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Of course the reason I'm asking is because of a specific case. An admin "pre-closed" a DRV, another admin reopened it, and the original admin reclosed it without discussion. He claims this isn't wheel warring because it doesn't involve the specific cases mentioned in the second part of the sentence, and acts as if he has done nothing wrong.
In my interpretation, this clearly violates the spirit of the policy, the first part of the intro sentence, and the second sentence ("Do not repeat an administrative action when you know that another administrator opposes it"), so my accusation of wheel warring is warranted. If you look at the third point in Wikipedia:Wheel_war#Possible_indications, I think this also indicates that "wheel warring" is not limited to the specific cases listed in the second part of the intro sentence, either, so it violates the letter of the policy, too. If this is the case, the meaning of "specifically" should be clarified in the policy. — Omegatron 23:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I frequently come across multiply top-tagged articles. Some article pages contain as many as four different tags like {{ totally-disputed}}, {{ cleanup}}, {{ missing citations}}, {{ unref}} etc. Take a look at Neoconservatism for a modest example with only three disclaimers.
While I appreciate that most of the time the tags used in a particular article are valid and justified by shortcomings of the article itself, it appears (to me) that in unacceptably many instances, article tags are being deliberately misused as a way of POV pushing (I know, it's an ugly word) by downgrading the visual appearance and effectively using them as content disclaimers on articles. Here's the problem I'm having with this: The disclaimers themselves often enough become the subject of edit warring. And Wikipedia does not feature or endorse disclaimers on article pages, the tags are there for categorisation and for Wikipedia editors.
Couldn't there be some way to either let the disclaimers only be visible to logged-in users (I know, I know: IPs), or to reduce them to categories at the bottom of the page, accompanied by the tags themselves on the article talk page? I know these solutions would be somewhat problematic to implement, but this is less of a concrete proposal than rather a question if anyone else recognises this as a problem. — AldeBaer 10:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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As I already mentioned 2 days ago on the village pump (misc), the guidelines at WP:FUC and WP:FURG don't have the same standards for fair use rationales.
WP:FURG only asks for purpose, portion and replacability
WP:FUC requires much more, incl. a rationale for why there is no free version (which is totally obvious in most cases), minimal use, previous publication and significance (although there seem to be various interpretations of the last one).
What's even more confusing is that Betacommandbot's example of a good fair use rationale ( [1])is absolutely generic, while User:Durin, who seems to be the defender-in-chief for Betacommandbot, constantly argues that FURs have to be unique to each specific use in each specific article they're used in.
As long as the policy isn't clear, what's the use in tagging thousands of images.
Malc82 09:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
That really understates the "why." Betacommand lost his admin status for these reasons:
That's not just "running a bot under his own name". And it's ridiculous that THIS is the person running a large-scale image tagging and removal campaign, when he/she has shown before, he/she can't handle it. Jenolen speak it! 16:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the bot's user talk message (as of minutes ago) is:
there are two links to WP:FURG, specifically linking to "suggestions on how to do so". Malc82 11:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with Eagle101 and Kusma, copyright is non-negotiable. Where it is stated in policy that a fair use rationale must be included according to Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria policy, and the consequences of violating this policy could result in deletion of images, sanctions if repeatedly violated by a user or worse if a copyright problem occurs, then the Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline should not be a standard that everyone should follow, as a guideline is defined, but it should be a policy that everyone must follow. As well, should WP:FURG become policy, the file upload wizard for fair use images should be changed to allow the input (maybe even insist on a licence, source and fair use rationale before an image can be uploaded under fair use?) of a fair use rationale, alongside the source text box and licensing drop down box. -- tgheretford ( talk) 17:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This section was about the fact that WP:FURG, which is the guideline stating how to write FURs, didn't comply with WP:FUC, the policy. This problem has been more or less solved in the meantime (by addition of one sentence linking from FURG to FUC). That FURs are needed if the policy states so wasn't the question brought up here (although it's a good one). To which extent FURs are needed is a different debate at WP:FUC. If the bot is achieving what it is meant for in a constructive way is another ongoing debate, mainly at its talk page. Malc82 08:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Please note that Betacommandbot only tags images, it's still up to a human being to actually do the deleting. If you have a problem with the actual deletion, take it up with the admin who did the deleting. Corvus cornix 21:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
For those who might be interested, a very short "history" on FUR and FURG: WT:FURG#A little history on FURG. -- Ned Scott 05:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
If there is a fair use rationale for use of an album cover, does that rationale apply to articles about the songs on that album, or only to the album itself? Corvus cornix 20:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
A few days ago I was in process of applying a block to a persistent vandal, and on arriving at the block page I found that in addition to usual "account creation" and "IP block" boxes, a third box had appeared giving the option of applying an e-mail block.
This was not directly challenging, as on going to WP:BLOCK I was able to find out about it. But just coming across it was disconcerting - I missed User:Ryulongs comment in WP:AN where he announced that he wished this change implemented.
I would like to propose that when changes to the software are made which impinge directly and immediately oo administrator functions, an e-mail is sent out to all administrators (or, if preferred, all active administrators) notifying them of the change, with if necessary an indication as to where details of the change are posted.-- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 21:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
You can also subscribe to the mailing list ( wikitech-l) if you want to keep right up-to-date (you can also view this via Nabble if you don't want to clog up your inbox). HTH HAND â Phil | Talk 17:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to know why it is allowed to remove requests for citations within articles without providing said reference material.
This is supposed to be an educational site- yet people here post POV without citing credible sources.
How do you block someone from removing citation needed requests?
Thanks I vonH 20:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Does official Wikipedia policy reflect the consensus of editors. Is there a requirement for an administrator to uphold policy?
For example, if an editor is demonstrably uncivil, and I report it, should an Administrator be able to decide whether to ignore it, or should they be duty-bound to do something? And if the incivility continues, for how long can an Admin ignore it? -- 84.9.191.165 16:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Because our guidelines for when and when not to provide a citation are hopeless vague, the degree to which an article should have citations is a recurring problem with featured article candidates and reviews. A while back, I created user:Raul654/When to cite as a (work in progress) primer for when a citation is or is not required. Following yet another thread on wikipedia:attribution about this very issue, I've moved it to Wikipedia:When to cite with the intention of turning it from a workshop into policy. As the page says, I'm interested in getting as much input into this page as possible. Raul654 15:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
A discussion as to whether all schedules and programme lists for channels, along with a proposal for a change in What Wikipedia is not policy is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Schedules & program lists. -- tgheretford ( talk) 16:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to ask if there is any policy regarding the notability for festivals and their value in making films notable. I ask because I am in a discussion in New York International Independent Film and Video Festival and I stumbled on this (subscription to IMDB required), establishing some guidelines. What do you think? Stellatomailing 23:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'm not exactly sure where to put this, but I think this is the right place to ask this.
I am wondering something about Wikipedia's policies. Why is it Wikipedia's Policy to merge separate articles. The cases I'm thinking about specificlly, are character pages. For example, Midna from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess originally had her own article. It was then merged into the List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess article.
My question is, shouldn't every separate idea, in this case, Video Game characters, have their own article?
I think each having a separate article adds to the overall detail of Wikipedia.
-- Mooshykris 19:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
New proposed guideline: Wikipedia:Relevance. It's a big subject, naturally, so wide participation in its discussion is requested. See Wikipedia talk:Relevance for the rationale for its creation.-- Father Goose 04:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
There seem to be a lot of bots that do remove vandalism on Wikipedia quite effectively...however a huge section was deleted from London Bridge yesterday [3] at 00:46 which I have only just restored- seemingly noone who monitors that article having noticed it? Is this a flaw in the bot system? Why did it not stop this? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 00:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Final warnings are often a powerful enough deterrent to keep them out of action for a while, I've rarely reported users I gave final warnings to on WP:AIV since they often stop.-- Kylohk 15:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Should we maintain huge lists of persons known by a certain first name as, e.g., in Sophia? What's the point? Do we really expect that people would search, say, Sophie Amundsen, under "Sophia"? -- Ghirla -ÑÑÑп- 22:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm interested in proposing to my girlfriend by creating a wikipedia page in which the search criteria are her first name and my last name. I've checked, and the page doesn't already exist. Is this a violation of the rules for article content? I don't really care if it gets deleted after the proposal, although it would be kind of nice if it remained on the site for a while for our friends and family who are interested to view it. Any info. would be great.
Thanks.
Ho ho. If you want to propose, just go pay her a visit! Wikipedia's not the place to do such things since it's not a social network, and your fiancee doesn't seem to be notable enough to warrent an article. Congratulations, by the way.-- Kylohk 15:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Notability (films) has been debated as a proposed guideline for some time now. Two editors now propose that it be adopted as a guideline since there has been no discussion pro or con for some time. This seems to be reverse logic to me, but I'm tired of fighting that fight. I suggest that anyone with an interest visit that discussion ASAP. -- Kevin Murray 12:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
(firstly, sorry my english is not good enough)
I often read articles about Jewish people from differrnt countries. However, the fact they are Jewish is never mentioned absolutely. First of all it isn't written in the opening paragraph only in "Early life" or "History". But, even in these paragraphes the fact is not cleared, for example ( Albert Einstein):"Albert Einstein was born into a Jewish family in Ulm, Württemberg, Germany..." The fact he was born to a jewish family doesn't necessarily mean he is Jewish; it should be like "albert Einstain is Jewish-German-American". Secondly, Judaism (not as Christianity or Islam) is not only a religion but it is also tradition, culture, nationality and race. Therfore it is that important to write it in the opening paragraph clearly in addition to writing other origin/nationality.
GOER 17:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
The first G-hit with the terms 'Einstein' and 'Jewish' is from the American Museum of Natural History. It reads in part:
As a young boy in Germany, Einstein was inspired to observe Jewish religious practices, but as he grew more fascinated by science, his interest in organized religion faded. Yet he retained a powerful sense of his Jewish identity. Einstein once referred to his relationship to the Jewish people as "his strongest human bond." In 1919, Einstein joined the Zionist movement and supported the establishment of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East. At the same time, he stressed the need for cooperation between Jews and Arabs.
However, the current section in the article that describes Einstein's religious views (which appears to be well sourced), tells me the question isn't settled, because it's not clear that Einstein believed in the God of the Bible. So for these types of situations, when it's important to discuss someone's relationship to Judaism (or any other -ism) why not go the extra mile and describe the relationship thoughtfully? In all its complexity? The question "What does it mean to be Jewish?" is philosophical, defies a simple answer, and Einstein was a complex man. Can a Jew reject the God of the Bible and still be a Jew? If there's a consensus about this point within Judaism, then it's reasonable to refer to Einstein as Jewish in the lede. MoodyGroove 22:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
The question of what should go in an article depends partially on its Wikipedia quality grade. Wikipedia's quality scale for biography articles is here. Any one editor can grade an article as Stub, Start, or B status (think development status). However, GA, A, or FA status (think refinement status) usually is determined through agreement between two or more editors. In particular, what goes in or remains out of GA, A, or FA articles is guided by predetermined criteria: Good Article (GA) criteria, A article criteria, and Featured Article (FA) criteria. Albert Einstein now is an A class article. Whether the Albert Einstein article should include a statement such as " Albert Einstein is Jewish-German-American" can be answered by reviewing the available Wikipedia reliable source material against the A article criteria. Not all facts or information about a person makes it into a GA, A, or FA article. However, if a statement such as " Albert Einstein is Jewish-German-American" meets A article criteria, then it should be added. As for articles falling in Stub, Start, or B status, they have less criteria than GA, A, or FA articles. Some of the information about Stub, Start, or B status is listed in the quality scale. A lot of it has to do with whether the information to be added is supported by a Wikipedia reliable source. Generally, whether a statement such as "xxxxxxx is Jewish-American" should go in a particular Stub, Start, or B status article can be answered by reviewing Wikipedia's five article standards. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 14:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
This template makes a row in a table, which can easily be made with table formatting. The table formatting is more flexible, allowing for cases like a bridge on a county line. The template is also harder for new editors to learn. Why do we use this? -- NE2 21:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone can make a mistake every once in a while. Even a big one, like 3RR violation, that normally earns a block under the rules. When you make that mistake after 3 years of productive contribution rather than 15 minutes after registering though, people are more understanding and less likely to block you or claim you're a vandal. Since blocking is intended to be preventative of future damage rather than a punishment, this is both sensible and in accordance with the spirit of the rules. If you are a productive long-standing member, we have seen your actions and know that you are not trying to harm Wikipedia. As such, it is much harder to justify blocking you preventively vs. warning you that you just did something that would normally earn a block and should make sure not to do it again. -- tjstrf talk 20:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Asshole anons and asshole established editors are still assholes. Position in the community should have very little weight on any administrative issues (though note I said "should" and not "doesn't"). It's not like we'd turn a blind eye if Jimbo deleted the main page or anything. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I think Wikipedia should have a function that allows readers to send articles through email. The sender should be able to include their name, email address, and a brief note.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.51.81.217 ( talk • contribs)
I'm aware there was recently a large RfC regarding {{spoiler}}, but I simply don't have the time to delve through all the talk. Would it be appropriate to place a spoiler warning in a section of an article about a TV show regarding events which not have aired? Thanks. east . 718 21:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I was looking through CAT:TEMP today, and I noticed the huge amount of user talk pages in the category. Should user talk pages be ignored when deleting pages in this category, or should they be deleted just like a user page? Sean William @ 23:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
-- Jreferee ( Talk) 17:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Indefinitely blocked userpages are deleted after roughly a month, as the category description explains, except for sockpuppets and banned users. The category allows administrators assisted by scripts to easily find such pages, without false positives such as Wikipedia:Template messages/User namespace.
The images used for the flags at the Brethren Court article are listed as being on Commons, some of them created by users, others copied from other sites with claims of GFDL. But all of them are derived images from the film. Can somebody take an image like a flag, from a movie, draw it up, and then claim they own the copyright to it and release it for Wikipedia's use? Corvus cornix 23:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Can screen shots from movies or TV shows be used to illustrate articles about the characters who appear in the screen shot? Or can they only be used in articles about the shows/films themselves? Corvus cornix 22:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I have started a notability proposal for awards. I invite everyone to edit the proposal and comment on the talk page. - N 17:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
What is the policy on deleting from a article's discussion page? Having not paid attention to an old discussion from months and months ago (which seems to have been resolved), I'm unhappy with some of the aspersions cast therein! Any suggestions? Blaise Joshua 12:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
In mid-April, a major change to WP:RS went by with little notice. Previously, the "Scholarship" section began:
It was changed by this edit to read:
(Substantive changes are bolded.) Notice that this puts scholarly and non-scholarly sources on an equal footing. Do we really want to put newspaper op-eds and the like on a par with peer-reviewed journals and reports from the National Academy of Science? I'm really bothered by the fact that a major change to one of Wikipedia's most important principles went by with nary a peep, and was implemented with an edit summary of "tidied writing, removed bits that made little sense or stated the obvious."
More discussion here, which I encourage all interested to read. Raymond Arritt 22:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Straw poll on the proposed replacement for this section. Tim Vickers 22:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I've been seeing a major problem with "semi-protected" pages especially in relation to the Brock Lesnar page. Though there are numerous other pages with the same problem, My personal experience is with that page. That page is on an "indefinite full protection"(it keeps being re-protected when the time expires, for months on end) apparently due to a single vandal making sockpuppet accounts. Apparently this person makes "sleeper accounts" and waits for a few days to be able to edit semi-protected articles and then vandalizes them. I wanted to know if it would be possible to change the policy to make it so editors can't edit semi-protected pages unless they have both waited 5 days as well as have made at least a dozen good non-vandalism edits. This would erase the possibility of making "sleeper accounts" because most vandals would not go through the trouble of making 12 good edits simply to make one vandalism edit which will instantly get reverted and get them banned as a sockpuppet. I believe this would drastically decrease the amount of vandalism to semi-protected pages on Wikipedia and prevent pages such as Brock Lesnar (just a single example among many) from being indefinitely protected due to fear of a single vandal. We're currently being held hostage by vandals with "sleeper" sockpuppets who are able to vandalize pages after waiting the amount of time needed to edit semi-protected pages. We need to make it so in order to edit semi-protected pages you need at least 12 good edits and must be a registered user for at least 5 days. When I say "good edits" I simply mean edits of anykind because if they were vandalism, the person would be banned before ever being able to get to the necessary 12 to vandalize semi-protected pages. Both the waiting period and the minimum edit-count would be required to curtail many vandals who vandalize semi-protected pages. It should be both a waiting period of a few days as well as an edit minimum prior to being able to edit semi-protected pages. If they had a choice they would choose to build sleeper sock puppets, making several at a time just to wait out the time period and then vandalize pages. There needs to be both a waiting period as well as an edit minimum prior to being able to edit semi-protected pages. I got support for this when I posted it on Wikipedia talk:Protection policy and was told I should bring it here which has higher traffic. I would like some input on this proposal as well as methods for enacting such a policy. I believe it would drastically improve our ability to fight vandalism against semi-protected articles and spot vandals prior to them being able to edit semi-protected articles. Wikidudeman (talk) 11:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, just so everyone knows, I've created a draft proposal at Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed Proposal about this change, and I've also got confirmation from a dev that this is possible. So lets get this implemented soon. - Royalguard11( Talk· Review Me!) 01:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to incorporate a new wording on reliable sources (that is based on a proposal that was approved unanimously in a straw poll at the WP:Reliable sources talk page) into the WP:Verifiability policy. The proposed new section is on the policy talk page at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Sources 2. Tim Vickers 20:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I had a disagreement about the name/nature of a spin off page recently that was unresolved. In the interest of WP:AGF I've given some time for everyone to cool off, but I still would like to resolve the dispute and be able to apply the resolution to my future interactions regarding similar future issues. On the L. Ron Hubbard article, I added a significant amount of information concerning his service during WW 2. The info was spun off into an article now called L. Ron Hubbard and the military.
Summary style is the way large articles are organized and trimmed down to sizes which are outlined in WP:SIZE. Since the WW2 service was spun off I maintain that the new article should be about the information moved from the main article.
Several respected editors assert that the new article is not an extension of the original article into a series. They gave me the impression the article is a sort of sub-page for detailed discussion of his relationship with the military in general via his brief USMC service and later forming a paramilitary type organization.
I simply want to know how this guideline is interpreted. Anynobody 00:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
It is a difficult situation, since both arguments do make sense. How I came to the view I have was by laying them each out in a flowchart and seeing which one "flowed" better (FYI The Sea Org is the paramilitary organization I was referring to.) Anynobody 01:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Visviva I don't disagree with your point, but if the article were to be split how should the split page be treated? (Not just for Hubbard but any article) Anynobody 01:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion taking place here regarding whether infoboxes should be used for opera singers. Please weigh in if you'd like. (Notes left at WP:VP, WT:WPBIO, WT:CM, and WT:MUSICIANS.) -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 00:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
If a user who may be in danger of a ban claims to have created many sockpuppets in advance for the purpose of harassing certain users in the future, what would be the right course of action to take? DrumCarton 13:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I have been attempting to upload a picture file, and have now secured for it the CC 3.0 license. However, my Wikipedia mentor has told me that it hasn't been declared free enough for our use here on Wikipedia. I would like to know, when do you think this license, more so than the 2.0 or 2.5, might become free enough for standard Wikipedia use? While I want to attempt to secure a lower-level (2.0, 2.5, etc) license in the meantime, I really would like to know why this current license is not also relevant. Thank you, Mediathink 02:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
If it's an image for an article, you may want to see if it falls under Fair use. Od Mishehu 08:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I, User:WHEELER was one of the early editors at Wikipedia. I was chased off awhile back. I came back on just to add Sparta as a republic at List of republics. I am constantly reverted. I have a ton of evidence! I posted all of it. But the last time I was one the biggest policy was NPOV but now I have come across another even greater policy "PER CONSENSUS". You state that Wikipedia is NOT a democracy---But in the bowells of Wikipedia--there is Clique that I must pass muster and no matter how much evidence-----------I am reverted! Consensus? How does a Monarchist, a traditionalist as myself, have "consensus" with Marxists? I can't edit the republic article because I am constantly reverted! I had my article The Spartan Republic published at Sparta a Journal. Yet, I post this, and the Clique will NOT allow Sparta on the list of republics. Why is that? Furthermore, how can you have NPOV when a Consensus must approve of my edit? that is Illogical! What happened to verifiability and NPOV? You can't have NPOV AND consensus at the same time---that is illogical. I am glad I am at Wikinfo. I don't have to satisfy a clique of Marxists!!! WHEELER 19:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I said I was open to negotiation at the Talk:Republic page. I am very open to negotiation. I placed my references. They were deleted. I ask with references being deleted why verifiability? Everything I post is with references. That doesn't seem to matter at all. WHEELER 21:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Getting a little more PISSED OFFYou talk of consensus. I am on Talk:List of republics. I have refuted every argument, and placed copious amounts of references. Just now, I go back and User:Pmanderson has just reverted and added his own stuff. I have the quotes. Paul A. Rahe said Sparta IS a republic. Where is the discussion? THERE IS NO discussion on the talk page. Pmanderson refuses to acknowledge references! I am not leaving. Sparta is a republic and IT WILL BE PLACED on that page! NPOV is the WP policy! Who is going to enforce NPOV over the clique that guards those articles.! He even deleted the references. Sparta and Crete had the only references on that page---and User:Pmanderson erases it all. What's up Wikipedia? What is going on Wikipedia? WHEELER 21:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Where is the negotiation? WHEELER 21:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Mr. Sancho for starting negotiations. I am at Talk:Republic. WHEELER 22:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Regarding your question on consensus and other policies
I think you've missed something here; perhaps I can explain. Wikipedia's policy of consensus does not override other policies, it's how those other policies work. It is through a consensus that phrasing is accepted as NPOV, it is by consensus that we judge whether references are relevant and useful where there is uncertainty. If we did not seek consensus, every single person would simply battle away with their own personal view of the One NPOV Truth, and we would be left with permanent edit wars and incoherent, contradictory articles. Hope this makes sense. -- Nema Fakei 00:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I have had reference upon reference that backed each other up and he deletes it. Pmanderson refers to I. M. Finley who calles Muller's research a "Thousand page fantasia". Now, Muller is critical of democracy and is a promoter of Aristocracy. I read his book--It is fantastic. Werner Jaeger, the German classicist who wrote the magesterial Paideia quotes him. I. M Finley is a Communist and a member of the Frankfurt School. Just because this Commie belittles a book, gives the right to User:Pmanderson to discount every reference from Mr. Muller. This is consensus. On references to Paul A. Rahe. User:Pmanderson says Rahe is an eccentric, so the Consensus says--we discount him. By attacking all my references, the clique in control, "This secret consensus", can discredit every single reference I have! This is now Wikipedia Policy! I have had enough of this BS. WHEELER 01:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC) I tried explaining this on the policy page a long time ago. What happened with the Classical definition of republic is that a whole bunch of British (modern) republicans ganged up and voted that off! FACT: over some 80% of all American faculty of colleges and universities ARE democrats and especially Socialists. Socialists do manipulate language and learning to further their ideology! That is a Fact. With a majority who are democrats and socialists teaching a majority of people----Me and people like me, Old School, traditionalists, Monarchists---are shit out of luck. With your """consensus""" you ensure that we are marginalized and censored. But that is the whole point of WHO CREATED THE Consensus Policy at Wikipedia! WHEELER 01:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC) Remember to stay civil in your comments and please do not jump to conclusions such as Wikipedia's consensus policys being only supportive of a certain political ideology. Captain panda 02:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC) |
Korean wikipedia admin say following:
It is Official Policy of wikipedia project?
I Can't quote any copyritghted texts? It is nonsense.
I want to know what is foundation's official policy.
I think korean admins do vandal acts. -- WonYong ( talk ⢠contribs ⢠count ⢠logs ⢠email) 06:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Article 25 (Quotations from Works Made Public)
It shall be permissible to make quotations from a work already being made public; provided that they are within a reasonable limit for news reporting, criticism, education and research, etc. and compatible with fair practice.
Community input is solicited regarding significant changes to interpretation and use of the biographies of living persons policy. Please make comments or suggestions at the talk page. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
As I already mentioned 2 days ago on the village pump (misc), the guidelines at WP:FUC and WP:FURG don't have the same standards for fair use rationales.
WP:FURG only asks for purpose, portion and replacability
WP:FUC requires much more, incl. a rationale for why there is no free version (which is totally obvious in most cases), minimal use, previous publication and significance (although there seem to be various interpretations of the last one).
What's even more confusing is that Betacommandbot's example of a good fair use rationale ( [8])is absolutely generic, while User:Durin, who seems to be the defender-in-chief for Betacommandbot, constantly argues that FURs have to be unique to each specific use in each specific article they're used in.
As long as the policy isn't clear, what's the use in tagging thousands of images.
Malc82 09:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
That really understates the "why." Betacommand lost his admin status for these reasons:
That's not just "running a bot under his own name". And it's ridiculous that THIS is the person running a large-scale image tagging and removal campaign, when he/she has shown before, he/she can't handle it. Jenolen speak it! 16:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the bot's user talk message (as of minutes ago) is:
there are two links to WP:FURG, specifically linking to "suggestions on how to do so". Malc82 11:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with Eagle101 and Kusma, copyright is non-negotiable. Where it is stated in policy that a fair use rationale must be included according to Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria policy, and the consequences of violating this policy could result in deletion of images, sanctions if repeatedly violated by a user or worse if a copyright problem occurs, then the Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline should not be a standard that everyone should follow, as a guideline is defined, but it should be a policy that everyone must follow. As well, should WP:FURG become policy, the file upload wizard for fair use images should be changed to allow the input (maybe even insist on a licence, source and fair use rationale before an image can be uploaded under fair use?) of a fair use rationale, alongside the source text box and licensing drop down box. -- tgheretford ( talk) 17:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This section was about the fact that WP:FURG, which is the guideline stating how to write FURs, didn't comply with WP:FUC, the policy. This problem has been more or less solved in the meantime (by addition of one sentence linking from FURG to FUC). That FURs are needed if the policy states so wasn't the question brought up here (although it's a good one). To which extent FURs are needed is a different debate at WP:FUC. If the bot is achieving what it is meant for in a constructive way is another ongoing debate, mainly at its talk page. Malc82 08:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Please note that Betacommandbot only tags images, it's still up to a human being to actually do the deleting. If you have a problem with the actual deletion, take it up with the admin who did the deleting. Corvus cornix 21:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
For those who might be interested, a very short "history" on FUR and FURG: WT:FURG#A little history on FURG. -- Ned Scott 05:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest to enact a policy against usernames with less than three letters in it. This becuase of the following reasons:
I hope I didn't miss anything. I think there should be a policy to avoid too short usernames, especially usernames with only one or two letters in it. → Aza Toth 07:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll take these in turn.
User:Y's username excites one emotion in me: Envy. Why didn't I think of it and grab it for myself first? But I didn't; they did, and good for them. -- Hoary 07:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, that proposed policy seemed to be assuming bad things about those users. If you are meant to assume good faith but not elitism, you shouldn't restrict short user names, especially if a minority of users will actually have the envy to take users names to be "personalized license plates".-- Kylohk 19:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I, for one, am against passing more rules restricting user conduct based on somebody suddenly deciding that something was annoying or offensive... people are almost unlimited in their capacity to find things annoying or offensive if they go out of their way to look for them. *Dan T.* 18:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
There's a discussion going on at this page involving a change to "What Wikipedia is not" that I want to bring up here, involving the word "indiscriminate" and how its vagueness is causing problems. To repeat the topic sentence: "I find often in AFDs people are misusing "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". The problem seems to be with the word "indiscriminate", which people either don't understand or find vague. It seems some people think this term can be applied to any list, and many other articles. Not to mention, the title of the section doesn't have all the much to do with the section itself. My suggestion is to retitle the section something like "Wikipedia is not a guidebook or instruction manual". And to put a separate section under notability or lists which is something like "Article subjects should not be indiscriminately thrown together" (example: Not indiscriminate - List of United States Senators from Ohio, indiscriminate - List of United States Senators with three or more 'E's in their name)." CitiCat 22:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I've recommended an addition to the exceptions for our WP:3RR policy. Comments requested please at Wikipedia_talk:Three-revert_rule#Recommended_additional_exception. Thanks, -- Durin 14:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Would this be best as a separate proposal, or floated first on the talk page of Wikipedia:User access levels, Wikipedia:Articles for creation, or here on the Village Pump? I really don't think the VP has the permanence to discuss intelligently an issue of this magnitude, and the last thing I want to do is take it to the mailing list like Jimbo did when he instituted the original change. Please see Renesis's idea at Wikipedia_talk:Autoconfirmed_Proposal#Mainspace.3F if you want to see where it's at presently, but it's really tangential to the actual proposal there. -- nae' blis 15:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC) (not logged in at present)
I've been busy reverting vandalism today, but I don't really feel at ease with leaving my signature on all the talk pages of the vandals (my userpage is likely to get vandalised). Would it be okay if I don't sign these warnings? If not what arguments are there for having to sign on these pages? Freestyle 20:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Do we need another subject specific guideline at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Notability. Trying to define notability of team sports has been tried at WP:ORG without acceptance, and now is being tried again independently. It seems to be more well intentioned but congestive creep. -- Kevin Murray 23:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
A proposal has been made to incorporate a new term ("ownership forking") to describe portions of existing guidelines on content forking.. Discussion on the proposed clarification is on the guideline talk page at Ownership forking revision proposal. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 15:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Are victims of 9/11 inherently notable? I ran across Waleska Martínez, who seems to be notable solely because she was a victim. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 21:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Précis: No, they are not. And the desire of people to write memorials for them on Wikipedia was why the September 11 wiki was created in the first place. Uncle G 14:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
I've spent a fair bit of time reading Wikipedia policy, and I think that AGF is a bit silly.
By all means, an account that has been doing good work for sometime should be afforded good faith.
But IMO a brand new account that does something stupid... it should probably be blocked for an hour. But the block message should be some sort of non-accusatory one that clearly states:
Thoughts? Best username yet 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
<big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big>WANKER
which I have seen today, but the person got a warning about it. I can't see how that is a genuine mistake, really. 00:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I use Wikipedia almost every single day. I use it to read up on all types of things in my career field, math and sciences. If I had to purchase books with the variety of information that I need, I would have to spend a fortune.
I think of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, much like the old World Book encyclopedia. And never during my encounters with a World Book encyclopedia, was I able to encounter photos of a woman with cum / semen / jizz on her neck. Nor in World Book was I able to find photos of a woman who had been 'creampied'. (Porn term for 'the dude came inside of her and the viewing audience gets to watch it drip out.')
However, while I was trying to learn about Pearls, (about which many children and teens might have to write a book report), I found that I was able to access an article on the sexual connotation of Pearl Necklace. It had a charming photo of a woman with semen on her neck.
To see how pervasive this was, I began typing in other sexual terms (as a curious young teen would do) and I was able to find photos and movies of a guy's erection shooting semen through the air and well as of a woman's vagina dripping semen out of it. There was also a wealth of information about bukkake and bios on p*rn stars that led to other porn star bios and other sexual articles.
Now, I read you policy about not really attempting to censor articles. But I think that you are asking for future legislative trouble, if a virtual encyclopedia becomes the avenue used to spread pornography to the masses.
There already seem to be 'billions and billions' (Carl Sagan term) of places that a person can go to if they want to be 'informed' about creampies, bukkake, pearl necklaces, deepthroat, etc. I hate to see a respected virtual encyclopedia, dedicated to becoming the CENTER of the spread of knowledge, become the CENTER of the spread of porn photos.
I mean really . . . do you want some child 'spreading the news' to other children (and eventually his parents and teachers) that they get their best porn from Wikipedia?
Think about that 'censorship' clause again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Software engineer 1 ( talk • contribs)
Well, if you don't want to know about those things, don't visit that page. If a page related to those things has too many images that are of bad taste, there is nothing wrong with you removing several of them since Wikipedia's not a photo gallery. The topics can be there, but fortunately they aren't supposed to be saturated with images. So this problem is kind of covered.-- Kylohk 19:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
The (N)POV guidelines indicate "If the issues are minor and there is no recent discussion, remove the tag". The Neutrality Project guidelines recommend changing the POV tag to POV-check to request a review.
As the author of an article that's been recently tagged, my bias is that the issues flagged on my article are minor or unfounded - and I'm inclined to just remove the tag... so I'm requesting input/recommendations; is this the right place to post such questions/discussions? Background below:
An editor recently added a couple of Neutrality Disputed flags on one of my articles:
Perl OpenGL (POGL)
His concerns were fair enough, so I responded to his issues on the article's talk page, and sent him an email asking what more, if anything, he felt was required in order to remove the flags.
There's been no response on the talk page or by email. As the author of the article, as well as one of the authors of opensource module presented in the article - I accept that I may be unintentionally biased - and I'm open to constructive suggestions for improving the article.
However, since all the benchmarks referenced in the article are available as source and reproducible by anyone who has the desire to do so, I'm unclear as to why the article's neutrality is being flagged - other than the simple fact that I'm author of both the article and subject.
I figured I'd wait for a week to see if there were any further comments, and if not - just remove the POV flags.
Thanks in advance for any feedback/recommendations!
I dont understand how I can see if a picture used in an article is copyrighted or not. Such as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Morgen53.jpg . This is a picture taken from a memoir book, but is it infriging to use this picture or is it legal, as i could not see much info about it. Korrybean 07:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
This template makes a row in a table, which can easily be made with table formatting. The table formatting is more flexible, allowing for cases like a bridge on a county line. The template is also harder for new editors to learn. Why do we use this? -- NE2 21:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
How about creating a list of new pages that are somehow related to Wikipedia so that other users can link the pages on existing Wikipedia-related pages if they think it's related, it might already exist considering the size of Wikipedia, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Jeffrey.Kleykamp 13:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Would it be a totally gonzo policy for findings from scientific literature to take precedence over media hype? Reputable newspapers are valuable resource for some subject areas, but when it comes to those that are amply covered in journals, such as global warming, editors selectively adding speculation from them can be a big waste of time to those of us that take the time to glean material from peer reviewed articles. I'm referring to the media reporting this Dutch dossier based on British Petroleum data, which some editors have taken as a warrant to replace the current, scientifically informed, stance. I'd appreciate it if some of you would follow up the discussions on talk:global warming and talk:List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions, bearing in mind that what we are looking at is a SINGLE informal instance of guestimation being used to refute the climatological papers that get published every week, all using the official EIA data. Thank you. Bendž| Ť 20:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
There is a fairly large collection of articles on Wikipedia on first names (such as Stephanie or Tamara (name)), as well as surnames (such as Leonard (surname) or Thompson). Many of these articles (see links for examples) are dominated by long lists of "Notable people named x." To me, these seem unencyclopedic (few people would go to the Johnson article trying to find Samuel Curtis Johnson, Sr., for instance) and should generally be avoided. While the penumbra cast by WP:TRIVIA, WP:OVERLINK, and WP:NOT seems to be consistent with this view, what would people think of making this part of the Manual of Style? It could either be a seperate page on MOS for articles about names, or added to/subsection of Wikipedia:Proper names or WP:TRIVIA. Thoughts? -- TeaDrinker 00:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
This just in: Category:Middle names. That may be going too far (if we haven't already). -- JHunterJ 11:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Deletion policy/names and surnames and its talk page. Uncle G 14:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Backstory: a particular user edited his own Editor Review page, violated 3RR, and then wasn't blocked per 3RR because users are given "serious laditude" over pages in their userspace: [11]. The rest of this post is cut-and-paste from WP:AN because I would like this issue to be discussed by a broader range of wikipedians than just Admins and people who have something to report. The way I see it, there are three issues here:
As an Editor Review is entered into voluntarily, and occasionally to "test the waters," as it were, for a run at adminship, I believe that once created, a user should leave the substance of reviews regarding them alone. This is both to the end of maintaining an atmosphere that allows for free expression of thoughts on an ER, and maintaining an accurate records of people's opinions of an editor seeking review. What is the good of an ER if people are worried that negative reviews constitute harassment or vandalism? What is the good of reviewing an editor's ERs when said editor is seeking elected position if the editor has cleaned every negative comment up? To that end, I believe that an editor (1) should not be allowed to remove comments from their own ER. If something is harassment or vandalism, it should be obvious enough that someone else can clean it up. It follows that (2) 3RR vio's on ER pages should certainly constitute serious violations. Finally, because of the previously listed reasons, an ER should (3) not constitute a personal page, and the reviewed party should not be affored WP:OWNership rights over it. It is in the WP namespace, not the User namespace, for a reason. 65.30.184.61 05:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
As of March 2007, Arbitrators are no longer required to provide a rationale for their RfAr vote when requested. (edit diff) The explanation provided is that one person decided to make the Arbitrators more elite and less transparent. (editor's talk page) The policy phrasing is also more ambiguous. ( SEWilco 15:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC))
There is an interesting proposal at WP:RS to creating an inline tag for situations where a source is reliable, but hardly the best of sources available. The proposed wording would be something polite and non-confrontational, like [more reliable source requested]. To give you an idea of where such a tag might be used... take an article on an historical topic, containing a statment that cites to a Histroy Channel documentary as a fact source. While the History Channel is not completely unreliable, I hope you would agree that there are probably sources that are more reliable for the same information. However, more community input is needed. (Please join the discussion at Wikipedia Talk:Reliable sources#Inline tag?) Blueboar 22:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wheel war says "A wheel war is a struggle between two or more admins in which they undo another's administrative actions".
It then lists some actions: "specifically, unblocking and reblocking a user; undeleting and redeleting; or unprotecting and reprotecting an article."
Does "specifically" in this sentence mean "limited to only these examples", or "including (but not limited to) these specific examples"?
In other words, what counts?
— Omegatron 05:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Of course the reason I'm asking is because of a specific case. An admin "pre-closed" a DRV, another admin reopened it, and the original admin reclosed it without discussion. He claims this isn't wheel warring because it doesn't involve the specific cases mentioned in the second part of the sentence, and acts as if he has done nothing wrong.
In my interpretation, this clearly violates the spirit of the policy, the first part of the intro sentence, and the second sentence ("Do not repeat an administrative action when you know that another administrator opposes it"), so my accusation of wheel warring is warranted. If you look at the third point in Wikipedia:Wheel_war#Possible_indications, I think this also indicates that "wheel warring" is not limited to the specific cases listed in the second part of the intro sentence, either, so it violates the letter of the policy, too. If this is the case, the meaning of "specifically" should be clarified in the policy. — Omegatron 23:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I frequently come across multiply top-tagged articles. Some article pages contain as many as four different tags like {{ totally-disputed}}, {{ cleanup}}, {{ missing citations}}, {{ unref}} etc. Take a look at Neoconservatism for a modest example with only three disclaimers.
While I appreciate that most of the time the tags used in a particular article are valid and justified by shortcomings of the article itself, it appears (to me) that in unacceptably many instances, article tags are being deliberately misused as a way of POV pushing (I know, it's an ugly word) by downgrading the visual appearance and effectively using them as content disclaimers on articles. Here's the problem I'm having with this: The disclaimers themselves often enough become the subject of edit warring. And Wikipedia does not feature or endorse disclaimers on article pages, the tags are there for categorisation and for Wikipedia editors.
Couldn't there be some way to either let the disclaimers only be visible to logged-in users (I know, I know: IPs), or to reduce them to categories at the bottom of the page, accompanied by the tags themselves on the article talk page? I know these solutions would be somewhat problematic to implement, but this is less of a concrete proposal than rather a question if anyone else recognises this as a problem. — AldeBaer 10:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)