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- 23 Sep 2023 – Witchcraft ( talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Skyerise ( t · c); see discussion
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Editors more familiar with the subject might want to evaluate Evolution of human intelligence#Social exchange theory. Currently [1] it includes mention of one of Satoshi Kanazawa theories followed by how others have found no evidence to support it. (Something similar but in more detail is mentioned at G factor (psychometrics)#Other correlates where it seems to much more belong.) There is other R&I stuff which frankly seems out of place to me. Nil Einne ( talk) 09:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kanazawa is a red flag for sure. That section does a very poor job of explaining 'social exchange theory'. It also cites economist Thomas Sowell for claims that are (being extremely generous) way, way too simplistic. This should use reliable WP:IS to summarize instead of dancing around primary sources of wildly varying quality. Grayfell ( talk) 08:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Erie Stone ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch
Does this need WP:MEDRS sources? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 09:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would say no, this is a historical article. Also it would be hard to find MEDRS sources about an unknown substance. HansVonStuttgart ( talk) 11:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Only if it ventures biomedical/health claims. I have to wonder though WTF the category "traditional knowledge" is, that this article belongs to!
Bon courage (
talk)
12:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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Traditional knowledge.
--Animalparty! (
talk)
18:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure there's much danger from "There's a substance, we're not sure what, that Native Americans used in traditional medicine." It's just not imitable, unlike, say, black salve. If someone wants to claim that a specific substance that might be Erie stone might have specific properties, then we have something we may need to deal with. Compare and contrast the much more discussed and robust Silphium.
- Basically, I think MEDRS kind of requires a risk that someone will take the article as something they should try. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 08:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Traditional knowledge.
--Animalparty! (
talk)
18:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Watchers of this board are no doubt familiar with the article on the Feldenkrais Method, which has been discussed here several times. There has been some recent activity at that article, which has given rise to a discussion at the reliable sources notice board. You can find that discussion at WP:RSN#Inclusion of medical evidence review at Feldenkrais Method. MrOllie ( talk) 21:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now
WP:RSN#Inclusion of Kinesiology Review at Feldenkrais Method. --
Hob Gadling (
talk)
06:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Decided to rewrite the lede myself a bit. Kept it short and punchy, we'll see how this goes. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 19:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rajiv Dixit ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch
Efforts are being made for a long time now to whitewash this article about a crank mainly known for spreading disinformation and unscientific health-related claims. Take a look at the talk page discussion too. [2] Thanks Orientls ( talk) 08:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Following the post of a rather odd video by someone titled "Archaeologist John Hoopes Corrupts Wikipedia" Graham Hancock tweeted the video to his almost 500,000 followers saying "University of Kansas Professor John Hoopes contributes ZERO to science in his own work but spends much time pouring scorn on the work of others. By weaponising his editor role at Wikipedia to push his own agenda he brings archaeology into disrepute:" This may involve a number of articles. I've already seen one on Hancock's talk page. Note that Hoopes is an editor here. Doug Weller talk 09:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which articles might this affect? ꧁ Zanahary꧂ 00:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Something that may be of interest to this noticeboard is the topic of the reliability of Canada's National Post on the subject of climate change. It came to my attention that in a recent journal analysis of the publication it came out worse even than the likes of the Daily Mail on the topic, with ~30% of its output assessed as wayward of the scientific consensus on the subject. See this thread for more details on the potentially relevant issue. Iskandar323 ( talk) 21:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Family Constellations ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch
Cancel the "pseudoscience" description, it's all proven now! [3] -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 11:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
This is about [4]. Please chime in. tgeorgescu ( talk) 00:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Please see Talk:List of common misconceptions#Split proposal. Thank you. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 22:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Could someone look at these changes for Phoenix Lights please
[5] I don't think they are right but I'd like another opinion, and am trying to deal with a complicated CU right now. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 08:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just took a look -- the flares are absolutely discussed in the cited source. Removed the newly added tags. Feoffer ( talk) 09:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to bring to your attention a matter of concern regarding the terminology used in an Arabic article related to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising here in wikipedia. Recently, I a Wikipedia editor made an edit eich says the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is refrenced as "intifada" in an Arabic. However, historically, the event has been described in Arabic as "tamrrod." For instance, in an article from Yad Vashem, the event is referred to as "تمرّد (tamrrod)," where it is stated that "أصبح تمرّد غيتو وارسو رمزا لمقاومة اليهود للنازيين," translating to "The Warsaw Ghetto Rebellion became a symbol of Jewish resistance to the Nazis." https://www.yadvashem.org/ar/holocaust/about/third-stage-the-final-solution/warsaw-ghetto-fate.html The reason for my inquiry stems from the concern that this terminology choice may lead to misinterpretations or politically charged comparisons. I recently encountered an individual who used this article to draw parallels between the suffering of Jews during the Holocaust and the Palestinian experience under occupation. This comparison, as articulated by British novelist Howard Jacobson, can be seen as a distortion of historical events and a form of moral manipulation. I would appreciate it if you could provide insight into the decision to hide the political context behind calling that event "انتفاضة" (intifada) instead of "تمرد" (tamrrod) in the article regarding the word intifada. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to hearing from you soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.66.58.30 ( talk) 15:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC) |
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A guy who denies that there is such a thing as climate, and still there are users who think he is not a climate denier. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 18:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Three users all arguing that a known far-right personality is a centrist? Looks more like a matter for AE. 208.87.236.180 ( talk) 19:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
There's edit warring at Dosha. tgeorgescu ( talk) 21:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- The wording of the first sentence does not seem to be as concerning as the entire Principles section, based on a book that "reveals to us the secret powers of the body, breath, senses, mind and chakras". Recon rabbit 16:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Someone knowledgeable with medical research, mercury and autism care to review Renee Dufault? Aside from some questionable promotional edits, there's some fringe stuff being pushed here. Ravensfire ( talk) 18:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Baishideng Publishing Group, publisher of the immediately suspicious World Journal of Psychiatry (cited twice in the article), is on Beall's list. Square One Publishers, who published Dufault's book Unsafe at Any Meal, also published a book called Dressed to Kill: The Link Between Breast Cancer and Bras. There are so many red-flag sources in this article I don't even know where to begin. I'm busy with other things at the moment but someone really should take a hatchet to any section of this article sourced to these or other suspicious sources. I'll do what I can, when I can. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 00:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Categories for discussion
- 19 Jul 2024 – Category:Fictional characters who use magic ( talk · · hist) was CfDed by AHI-3000 ( t · c); see discussion
- 02 Jul 2024 – Category:Hijacked journals ( talk · · hist) was CfDed by Fgnievinski ( t · c); see discussion
Redirects for discussion
- 23 Jul 2024 – Wolf man ( talk · · hist) → Werewolf was RfDed by Steel1943 ( t · c); see discussion
- 23 Jul 2024 – Wolf-man ( talk · · hist) → Werewolf was RfDed by Steel1943 ( t · c); see discussion
Featured article candidates
Good article nominees
- 10 Mar 2024 – Roswell incident ( talk · · hist) was GA nominated by Feoffer ( t · c); start discussion
Requested moves
- 13 Jul 2024 – New World Order (conspiracy theory) ( talk · · hist) move request to New World Order conspiracy theory by PBZE ( t · c) was moved; see discussion
Articles to be merged
- 13 Jul 2024 – Peter A. Levine ( talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Somatic experiencing by Klbrain ( t · c); see discussion
- 03 Jun 2024 – There was no such thing as Palestinians ( talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Golda Meir by TarnishedPath ( t · c); see discussion
- 23 May 2024 – Thirteenth floor ( talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Triskaidekaphobia by Awesome Aasim ( t · c); see discussion
- 03 Mar 2024 – Superstitions in Muslim societies ( talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Islam and magic by VenusFeuerFalle ( t · c); see discussion
- 27 Jan 2024 – Barber and Calverley ( talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Theodore X. Barber by Animalparty ( t · c); see discussion
Articles to be split
- 08 Jul 2024 – List of common misconceptions ( talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by WhatamIdoing ( t · c); see discussion
- 30 Dec 2023 – Scholarly approaches to mysticism ( talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Skyerise ( t · c); see discussion
- 23 Sep 2023 – Witchcraft ( talk · · hist) is proposed for splitting by Skyerise ( t · c); see discussion
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This page has archives. Sections older than 20 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present. |
Editors more familiar with the subject might want to evaluate Evolution of human intelligence#Social exchange theory. Currently [1] it includes mention of one of Satoshi Kanazawa theories followed by how others have found no evidence to support it. (Something similar but in more detail is mentioned at G factor (psychometrics)#Other correlates where it seems to much more belong.) There is other R&I stuff which frankly seems out of place to me. Nil Einne ( talk) 09:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kanazawa is a red flag for sure. That section does a very poor job of explaining 'social exchange theory'. It also cites economist Thomas Sowell for claims that are (being extremely generous) way, way too simplistic. This should use reliable WP:IS to summarize instead of dancing around primary sources of wildly varying quality. Grayfell ( talk) 08:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Erie Stone ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch
Does this need WP:MEDRS sources? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 09:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would say no, this is a historical article. Also it would be hard to find MEDRS sources about an unknown substance. HansVonStuttgart ( talk) 11:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Only if it ventures biomedical/health claims. I have to wonder though WTF the category "traditional knowledge" is, that this article belongs to!
Bon courage (
talk)
12:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
-
Traditional knowledge.
--Animalparty! (
talk)
18:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure there's much danger from "There's a substance, we're not sure what, that Native Americans used in traditional medicine." It's just not imitable, unlike, say, black salve. If someone wants to claim that a specific substance that might be Erie stone might have specific properties, then we have something we may need to deal with. Compare and contrast the much more discussed and robust Silphium.
- Basically, I think MEDRS kind of requires a risk that someone will take the article as something they should try. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 08:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
-
Traditional knowledge.
--Animalparty! (
talk)
18:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Watchers of this board are no doubt familiar with the article on the Feldenkrais Method, which has been discussed here several times. There has been some recent activity at that article, which has given rise to a discussion at the reliable sources notice board. You can find that discussion at WP:RSN#Inclusion of medical evidence review at Feldenkrais Method. MrOllie ( talk) 21:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now
WP:RSN#Inclusion of Kinesiology Review at Feldenkrais Method. --
Hob Gadling (
talk)
06:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Decided to rewrite the lede myself a bit. Kept it short and punchy, we'll see how this goes. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 19:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rajiv Dixit ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch
Efforts are being made for a long time now to whitewash this article about a crank mainly known for spreading disinformation and unscientific health-related claims. Take a look at the talk page discussion too. [2] Thanks Orientls ( talk) 08:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Following the post of a rather odd video by someone titled "Archaeologist John Hoopes Corrupts Wikipedia" Graham Hancock tweeted the video to his almost 500,000 followers saying "University of Kansas Professor John Hoopes contributes ZERO to science in his own work but spends much time pouring scorn on the work of others. By weaponising his editor role at Wikipedia to push his own agenda he brings archaeology into disrepute:" This may involve a number of articles. I've already seen one on Hancock's talk page. Note that Hoopes is an editor here. Doug Weller talk 09:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which articles might this affect? ꧁ Zanahary꧂ 00:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Something that may be of interest to this noticeboard is the topic of the reliability of Canada's National Post on the subject of climate change. It came to my attention that in a recent journal analysis of the publication it came out worse even than the likes of the Daily Mail on the topic, with ~30% of its output assessed as wayward of the scientific consensus on the subject. See this thread for more details on the potentially relevant issue. Iskandar323 ( talk) 21:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Family Constellations ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch
Cancel the "pseudoscience" description, it's all proven now! [3] -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 11:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
This is about [4]. Please chime in. tgeorgescu ( talk) 00:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Please see Talk:List of common misconceptions#Split proposal. Thank you. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 22:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Could someone look at these changes for Phoenix Lights please
[5] I don't think they are right but I'd like another opinion, and am trying to deal with a complicated CU right now. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 08:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just took a look -- the flares are absolutely discussed in the cited source. Removed the newly added tags. Feoffer ( talk) 09:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Not a
WP:FRINGE matter, discuss it on the relevant article Talk page(s).
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I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to bring to your attention a matter of concern regarding the terminology used in an Arabic article related to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising here in wikipedia. Recently, I a Wikipedia editor made an edit eich says the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is refrenced as "intifada" in an Arabic. However, historically, the event has been described in Arabic as "tamrrod." For instance, in an article from Yad Vashem, the event is referred to as "تمرّد (tamrrod)," where it is stated that "أصبح تمرّد غيتو وارسو رمزا لمقاومة اليهود للنازيين," translating to "The Warsaw Ghetto Rebellion became a symbol of Jewish resistance to the Nazis." https://www.yadvashem.org/ar/holocaust/about/third-stage-the-final-solution/warsaw-ghetto-fate.html The reason for my inquiry stems from the concern that this terminology choice may lead to misinterpretations or politically charged comparisons. I recently encountered an individual who used this article to draw parallels between the suffering of Jews during the Holocaust and the Palestinian experience under occupation. This comparison, as articulated by British novelist Howard Jacobson, can be seen as a distortion of historical events and a form of moral manipulation. I would appreciate it if you could provide insight into the decision to hide the political context behind calling that event "انتفاضة" (intifada) instead of "تمرد" (tamrrod) in the article regarding the word intifada. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to hearing from you soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.66.58.30 ( talk) 15:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC) |
Jinn ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch
User inputs and comments are requested at:
- Jordan Peterson ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch
A guy who denies that there is such a thing as climate, and still there are users who think he is not a climate denier. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 18:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Three users all arguing that a known far-right personality is a centrist? Looks more like a matter for AE. 208.87.236.180 ( talk) 19:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
There's edit warring at Dosha. tgeorgescu ( talk) 21:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- The wording of the first sentence does not seem to be as concerning as the entire Principles section, based on a book that "reveals to us the secret powers of the body, breath, senses, mind and chakras". Recon rabbit 16:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Someone knowledgeable with medical research, mercury and autism care to review Renee Dufault? Aside from some questionable promotional edits, there's some fringe stuff being pushed here. Ravensfire ( talk) 18:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Baishideng Publishing Group, publisher of the immediately suspicious World Journal of Psychiatry (cited twice in the article), is on Beall's list. Square One Publishers, who published Dufault's book Unsafe at Any Meal, also published a book called Dressed to Kill: The Link Between Breast Cancer and Bras. There are so many red-flag sources in this article I don't even know where to begin. I'm busy with other things at the moment but someone really should take a hatchet to any section of this article sourced to these or other suspicious sources. I'll do what I can, when I can. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 00:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)