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The result was delete‎. Jake Wartenberg ( talk) 13:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

EconomyBookings

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Previously deleted for WP:G11, and not much has changed since then. Every citation is either a press release or doesn't have SigCov. BrigadierG ( talk) 23:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 21:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Zambia Institute of Chartered Accountants

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I found no significant coverage per WP:CORP. SL93 ( talk) 23:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sekolah Kebangsaan Bukit Tinggi, Kedah

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Semi-advertorialized article about a primary school, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for schools. As always, schools (especially at the primary level) are not "inherently" notable just for existing, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage about them in media or books -- but this is "referenced" entirely to the school's own self-published website about itself, which is not support for notability, and is written in a tone that resembles the school writing about itself ("in the center, you'll find an open book and a scroll, representing the thirst for knowledge and the quest to uncover it") rather than objective third-party analysis. Bearcat ( talk) 15:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Matteo Ciceroni

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Does not appear to meet the criteria for WP:NMUSIC or WP:SIGCOV. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Ali Khamenei. Merger with additional or alternative targets can be discussed editorially. After discarding clearly canvassed votes and ones not based on P&G, there is a rough consensus to keep the content, but not as a standalone article. Concerns about the merged article size are valid, but are secondary to notability issues. Owen× ☎ 11:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ayatollah Khamenei's letter to students at U.S. universities

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Does not need to be a separate article and not notable. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep, but article requires significant improvement.
Coverage that is at least potentially RS (not necessarily complete) which is not currently included in the article:
FortunateSons ( talk) 07:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Such interactions by the head of state of a theocracy to a significant section of Western society is quite rare. As a comment it would be nice to have this in Wikisource if applicable. Borgenland ( talk) 17:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Hence my proposal to merge about one sentence. The fact that an article is long is not a reason to disconnect it from the present. gidonb ( talk) 00:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
But the article proposed for deletion is 521 words currently. It makes no sense to bloat an article that (per WP:SIZERULE) must already have WP:SPINOUT articles. VR (Please ping on reply) 23:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. gidonb ( talk) 00:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I only cite above to indicate that there is expectation that this article too should have enduring notability VR (Please ping on reply) 23:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete or Merge. WP:NOTNEWS and also WP:NOPAGE. this article only makes sense of broader contexts and is better covered in the responses section of 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses or in Ali Khamenei User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 17:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Then you may need to observe some of the recent sources [5]. -- Mhhossein talk 06:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge with To the Youth in Europe and North America and To the Youth in Western Countries, Khamenei's previous "open letters". Other than the summary of the article, little is said beyond that it sparked mixed reactions on social media, a phrase which applies to almost everything. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge to relevant articles, far too soon to have an article. Traumnovelle ( talk) 00:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Given the dozens of reliable sources covering it during a wide time span, too soon or merge does not seem applicable here since the subject passes GNG. -- Mhhossein talk 04:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yet another source covering the topic, attesting the enduring notability. The work is published on 13 June 2024. -- Mhhossein talk 07:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Patrick Schulz

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Non-notable wrestler with no sources in the article Niafied ( talk) 07:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Rashad Aslanov

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Current sources in the article don't pass WP:GNG and I couldn't find sources through a WP:BEFORE which discussed him in-depth. Suonii180 ( talk) 17:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. The rough consensus is that the sources don't support a claim of notability according to Wikipedia's guideline for actors. Liz Read! Talk! 21:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Griffin Burns

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WP:BLP of a voice actor and singer, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for actors or singers. As always, neither actors nor singers are automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party reliable source coverage about them and their work -- but this is very heavily reference bombed to primary sources that are not support for notability (songs sourced to Spotify or YouTube or their own lyrics on Genius, acting credits sourced to IMDb, YouTube "interviews" where he's talking about himself, Facebook posts, etc.), with virtually no evidence of GNG-worthy reliable source coverage about him shown at all.
This is different enough in form from the prior versions that I wouldn't feel comfortable speedying it as a recreation of deleted content without a new discussion, but it hasn't built any stronger case for the subject passing any notability criteria than the prior versions did. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced better than this. Bearcat ( talk) 17:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

sorry for the late response, been busy. i believe that Griffin's article does fall under notability due to him being cast in multiple significant roles in noteworthy projects (tartaglia in genshin, nate adams from yokai watch, Mule from berserk). Minmarion ( talk) 03:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The notability test for an actor is not "has been in stuff"; having acting roles is literally an actor's job description, meaning that by definition every actor who exists at all has had acting roles and wouldn't be an actor at all if they hadn't, so quite literally every actor who exists at all would be "inherently" notable if simply listing acting roles were all it took.
The notability test for an actor requires reliable source coverage about him and his performances in real media, demonstrating that his performances have been independently verified as significant ones by somebody other than his own public relations agent. Bearcat ( talk) 13:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep WP:NOTABILITY is quite clear, an article must pass either the general notability guidelines, or a subject specific guideline. WP:ENTERTAINER states "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Voice actors, and others on the list there as entertainers, are notable for their work, not what others say about it. You can see how many episodes the characters he voices are in for each series listed, so these are significant roles, not a one time minor character. Dream Focus 23:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That's not how notability per NACTOR works. Like I said above, every actor can list roles, so every actor would automatically be "inherently" notable if simply listing roles were all it took — so notability as an actor doesn't vest in simply listing roles, and does require evidence of reliable source about him and his performances. Reliable sources have to tell us whether any given role is "significant" enough to count toward NACTOR #1 in the first place, which they do by writing third-party coverage about it. Bearcat ( talk) 20:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Not all actors have notable roles. If you had reliable sources, it'd pass the general notability guidelines, and so the subject specific guidelines would have no reason to exist. More than one way to determine notability, this how it was setup from the beginning. Dream Focus 03:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Okay here's the deal let's not be deletion of Griffin Burns i mean he did not get any wrong article you suppose to fix the wikipedia of Griffin Burns without copying and risk of deletion article, this guys is best voice actor he appeared many TV shows and anime and video games i remember watching his voice appearing from Netflix Griffin Burns is a Top of Voice Actor genre, So I repeat Restart the Article without copying other people on wikipedia and without risk of deletion. Top-Gman3304 ( talk) 14:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete and WP:SALT for a least a year due to almost no sources that can establish notability. Biography section could be made one sentence due to the weakness of the sources. Most of the article is sources that would not pass a reliability test. I've tried to look at this from other angles, but there's nothing here to get this article to the next level or be kept. Esw01407 ( talk) 19:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I looked at these source and it's IMDB and IMDB-like sites, blogs, podcasts, some of them don't even mention him. One is the results of high school cross country races. A great deal of effort was made to make this feel like a Wikipedia article but idk... I've done archival research, I could drum up dozens of references that mention the name of hilariously non-notable people and format them in Wikipedia citation templates if I had an afternoon to kill. None of these sources seem to be independent, non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. -- Here2rewrite ( talk) 16:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Cardus without prejudice against a selective merge. Owen× ☎ 12:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Cardus Education Survey Canada

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Came across the article on the Christian think tank Cardus today, which appears to be the result of WP:UPE. I stubified that rather than nominate it for deletion because it looks like there's enough out there for WP:ORG. But that led me to this, a long article on one of Cardus's reports, again with no good independent sourcing at all (but a whole lot of text). Wouldn't be surprised if this were UPE too. In any event, if there's a little bit of coverage it can be summarized in the main article. WP:GNG fail here. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

John Contreras

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I found mentions of the subject in reliable sources, but I didn't find significant coverage. The single reference in the article only verifies that Contreras worked with Current 93 and Baby Dee. toweli ( talk) 17:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Bodhendra Saraswati II. Liz Read! Talk! 21:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Samadhi of Bodhendra Saraswathi

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The tomb lacks wide coverage in RS. Most of the text is covered in Bodhendra Saraswathi, whose tomb the subject is. The article has little information on the architecture of the tomb, but rather concentrates more on Bodhendra and his death Redtigerxyz Talk 15:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to The Open Source Definition. Not 100% sure I got this one right but if I didn't, I'm sure someone will tell me or take this to DRV. Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Debian Free Software Guidelines

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Non-notable precursor of The Open Source Definition. I was barely able to scrape up enough independent analysis to create a viable article about the OSD and the related Open Definition. There is much less available on the Debian definition.

The last AfD was in 2007 and notability was not considered.

Furthermore, I cannot support this article's existence per WP:NOPAGE because the Debian definition, slightly modified, was adopted as the OSD and the texts are very similar [6] [7]. ( t · c) buidhe 22:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

A Google Books search seems to produce a couple hundred mentions. Are these all cursory? -- Joy ( talk) 07:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Pretty much all I found was quotes of the definition and mentions—no significant coverage differentiating it from the OSD. ( t · c) buidhe 07:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
OK, let's give people some time then to try to find better coverage. If it can't be found, and if the mass of primary and cursory references isn't deemed worthy of a standalone article, then there's the matter of where to redirect - Debian Social Contract or even a section inside Debian may also be good destinations. -- Joy ( talk) 10:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete or redirect: I found some brief mentions in books, but nothing more. Any extensive discussion of the guidelines I could find was authored by people who are intimately involved with the open-source community, bringing their independence into question. My examination wasn't exhaustive, but my search has turned up the same result as the nominator's. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 19:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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I'd merge to The Open Source Definition or buidhe's draft. Aaron Liu ( talk) 11:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Liz The only candidates I see are the OSD and Buidhe's draft of it. That says, @ Buidhe would you kindly link us to your draft? I can't find it. Aaron Liu ( talk) 20:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That's because it was incorporated as the main space article on 18 May. ( t · c) buidhe 01:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Buidhe I'm talking about the draft for the OSD, not the draft of the Open Definition, unless you would see it fit to merge to the latter article. Aaron Liu ( talk) 02:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It's located at The Open Source Definition, see the diff from May 18 ( t · c) buidhe 03:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Ah, thanks. So there's only one sane target article.
@ HyperAccelerated I assume you also agree to merging to OSD? Aaron Liu ( talk) 22:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
OSD is fine with me. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 15:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. After discarding blocked and sock accounts, and anon IPs relying on irrelevant arguments, we're left with a clear consensus to delete. Owen× ☎ 21:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Abhirup Dhar

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Non of the sources besides https://www.firstpost.com/art-and-culture/abhirup-dhar-probes-the-paranormal-in-new-book-ghost-hunter-gaurav-tiwari-9969841.html show notability. We need atleast 3 such sources to justify inclusion. Sohom ( talk) 22:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep:Books published by this author are in premium news portals. It has a number of news references too, content is not promotional and also not too lengthy. I find this author as the notable profile and thus it is applicable for Wikipedia. ~~
  • Comment. - The two IP address here seemingly and almost certainly belong to the same individual, who, i) doesn't seem to be aware how to sign, and ii) is suspiciously keen to keep the article, which is evident by their language and choice of words. The grammar also gives it away. In my view, they may be the author themself, the author's relative, or some close associate. Either way, unreliable commenter. Oh, just noticed that the aforementioned user might be Stlodsid. The linguistic style adds up. User has recently been blocked indefinitely, so is perhaps adding comments without logging in. 2409:4060:317:601:0:0:134A:78A4 ( talk) 00:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Communion of Western Orthodox Churches

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The only independent source given, Thöle, only mentions the CWOC in passing. I can't find any source that actually covers their activities. There's no evidence that this communion is more than a loose agreement of three small like-minded denominations. Leefeni aures audiendi audiat 21:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete While autocephalic churches in communion with a significant church are almost always notable national branches of a church located outside that church's home country, this does not appear to be the situation for the "communion" among the three churches that are the subject of this article. [11] I would consider changing my vote if independent sources were found or the significant concepts and French sources were explained and verified. Ben Azura ( talk) 12:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Found one academic source that provides WP:SIGCOV, but not any other qualifying sources toward WP:GNG or WP:NORG. If anyone finds another one, ping me and I'll update my !vote. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 02:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Meridian Gaming

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Previously deleted and salted as Meridian Gaming Ltd/ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meridian Gaming Ltd * Pppery * it has begun... 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Extended commentary on WP:ORGCRIT and why an article might need to be deleted
In most cases, the reason an article would be deleted because the sources used don't meet one of the four criteria: An article about a company must generally be supported by coverage that is significant, which is defined here as something that addresses the topic of the article directly and in-detail, also excluding coverage that is trivial which includes (but is not limited to) " routine coverage", such as that in the vijesti.me article that is currently ref 2. All of the significant coverage that is used to support the existence of the article (you can add other sources later for specific facts if necessary) must also be independent in two different ways: they must not be controlled by the article subject (functional independence, ref 1) and they must not be content taken from the article subject (intellectual independence, refs 2-5 etc).
This independence is especially important, as the marketing professionals that write these press releases will spin the facts, emphasising certain things, de-emphasising others, and using peacock and weasel words strategically. Even if you try and write the article as neutrally as you can from those sources, you'd end up writing a brochure, and that is a reason to delete the article just by itself. The sources must also, of course, be reliable (third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.) and secondary (contains an author's analysis [...] of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources), but those are less often issues if the sources meet the first two criteria.
My best advice would be to pick your best three sources that you think meets all four of those criteria, copy them here and explain how they tick each of the boxes. If you can find three that clearly meet the criteria, usually an article will be kept. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 11:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, I'm done with my search. There is a truly horrific amount of sponsored articles (ads) and press releases of them tooting their own horn ( WP:SPIP), but no amount of tooting ought to be able to buy a well-intentioned page on Wikipedia that does more of the same tooting. Please up the level of salt and delete again, the current level having proven insufficent. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 12:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
MediaWiki:Titleblacklist would be the logical next level. But I'm not convinced that's warranted after only three recreations years apart. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per Alpha3031's comments and per it having been salted already. Procyon117 ( talk) 08:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per above. I agree with Backij, a lot of other pages on Wikipedia on non-notable companies (and non-companies) exist, this is one of them. Traumnovelle ( talk) 00:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I still contest deletation considering how many pages wikipedia contains about irrelevant companies with poor, dead or wrong references considering non commerical style of this page, considering it summerize true facts. -- Backij ( talk) 08:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Feel free to nominate those for deletion too. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy deleted‎ by Ponyo under criterion G3. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 22:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi-Tech (TV series)

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No references, and I literally can't find anything about this TV series, although the generic name doesn't really help. Very likely fails WP:GNG, although the "TBA" gives hope that it might become notable sometime in the future. Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 22:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

already G3'ed as a hoax, should be fine to close here. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Philmont Leadership Challenge

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WP:GNG, WP:NOTGUIDE WP:ADVERT. This is more of a flyer than encyclopedic article and it's evident by contents like "During 2012, the program fee was $470 if paid before January 2012, or $495 after January 1. This fee includes all meals and lodging, training materials, and a course patch. " Graywalls ( talk) 21:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Roger Blonder

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Unsourced, appears to fail WP:GNG based on a quick Google (web/news/books) search. Regards, HaeB ( talk) 21:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 21:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Salazar Awards

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Semi-advertorialized article about a regional graphic design award, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for events. As always, events are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party media coverage about them -- but this is "referenced" entirely to the organization's own self-published content about itself, with absolutely no evidence of third-party attention shown at all.
It also warrants note that this was a conflict of interest from the start, as the article creator's username of "Gdcbc" corresponds letter-for-letter to the name of the organization that presents this award, the Graphic Designers of Canada, British Columbia.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to pass GNG on its sourceability. Bearcat ( talk) 20:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 21:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Jason Baggott

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Perplex City. Liz Read! Talk! 21:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Perplex City Stories

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There's zero RS talking about this. All sources on article now are primary. Only one I could find was [12] which does not sufficiently establish passing WP:GNG Soni ( talk) 18:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Namibian first-class cricketers. Liz Read! Talk! 21:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Wian van Vuuren

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Krishna Kumar (actor). Liz Read! Talk! 21:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ishaani Krishna

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Doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:GNGACTOR. She has an appearance in a single movie which alone doesn't show notability. I can't find any sources online as well upon WP:BEFORE 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 17:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Maybe not great sources. But not "not any", you probably mean. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes. Redirect to Krishnan Kumar would be the best option. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 09:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Jake Wartenberg ( talk) 13:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

2017 Indian National Congress leadership election

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Stub article with an unopposed election. Not like the 2022 one which was still meaningful. This is why no other cong election pages exist Pharaoh496 ( talk) 17:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of important publications in cryptography

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Inherently original research. Compare WP:Articles for deletion/List of important publications in computer science (2nd nomination). Was previously kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of important publications in networks and security but I think this is worth a reevaluation a decade later. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete such a list can never have a policy-compliant WP:LISTCRIT because "importance" is subjective. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. If the intent is to delete based on the reasons above then there needs to be a broader discussion on lists like this in general. Picking them off one by one is not the way to go. That said, we HAVE criteria to determine if an article is notable and belongs on the list. If there is a reliable independent secondary source that says that it is notable then it should be on the list. Otherwise no. Simple as that. Cryptology is a mature and distinct enough field of study that it absolutely warrants a list like this if lists like this are deemed worthy to exist based on broader discussion. Epachamo ( talk) 14:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't think that one source saying that a publication is noteworthy will always be enough. Plenty of books, papers, etc., get recommended as "further reading" at the end of textbook chapters. That's a degree of recognition, for sure, but it's a long way from "this paper won the authors a Nobel Prize". XOR'easter ( talk) 21:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    > If the intent is to delete based on the reasons above then there needs to be a broader discussion on lists like this in general.
    This /is/ the discussion. If the outcome of this discussion is to delete, it creates precedent that makes the deletion of others more likely. The reverse is also true. Usually what happens if you try to open a broader discussion about deleting a larger set of articles in one go is people also beat that down with cries of WP:TRAINWRECK. It leads to a catch-22 keep vote - if you try to delete one at time, that's not acceptable because other similar articles exist and there needs to be more discussion, and if you try to delete more at a time that's also not acceptable because it's too many articles to evaluate the notability of in one go. BrigadierG ( talk) 10:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment As written, this list is under-sourced synth-cruft based on personal opinion. I'd be inclined to delete it. However, I think we need could maybe have a more broad discussion (an RfC or something of that sort) about whether lists like these are feasible and how to do them correctly. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. — MarkH21 talk 03:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete OK, I went away, thought about it, read the list again, considered the comments here... and have settled on deletion being the way to go. Taken by itself, the page is just no good: ancient synth-cruft from a bygone age. Workable inclusion criteria have not emerged from the discussion here, so fixing the page (presuming that anyone is even willing to volunteer the time and effort) is not a viable option. A more general discussion about how to do historical bibliographies of technical fields still sounds like it could be useful, but there's no way that this list represents the right method. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: The list fails to have a clear selection criteria following WP:LISTCRIT and is largely personal opinion / WP:SYNTH. The alternative option of "renaming the list without 'important' and using a Wikipedia-notability criterion" doesn't work for this particular list because there is only one entry in the list with its own Wikipedia article. — MarkH21 talk 20:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 17:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Moscow United Methodist Church

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This appears to be a small church with no particular claim to be notable - either because of history or current activity. Suggest delete unless someone can evidence notability Newhaven lad ( talk) 17:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete I found various books discussing the rise of Methodism in Russia but not this church in particular. Don't support redirect as specific location doesn't reflect the movement. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ BrigadierG the church is in Pennsylvania! Look again —  Iadmc ♫ talk  18:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Damn, how'd I miss that? It's like Category:Kiritimati all over again BrigadierG ( talk) 18:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Does your !vote stay though? —  Iadmc ♫ talk  19:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It does - I can't find any coverage of the church. BrigadierG ( talk) 21:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 21:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Interesting Engineering

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Written extremely like an advertisement and has many other problems. Myrealnamm ( 💬pros · ✏️cons) 17:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete good web presence, but the only mentions of it I can find are on places like Reddit. The article trying to WP:INHERIT notability from other news outlets that have cited it is telling. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 21:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Beverley Lyons

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a journalist, not properly referenced as passing notability criteria for journalists. As always, journalists are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to have third-party coverage and analysis about them and the impact of their work in reliable sources other than their own employers -- but the sole reference cited here is from her own employer at the time, and thus isn't independent of her for the purposes of building notability, and the article has been tagged for needing more sourcing since 2010 without improvement.
In addition, the whole thing is written very much like somebody did a thinly veiled rewrite of her own staff profile from an employer rather than a proper encyclopedia.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more than just her own former employer for sourcing. Bearcat ( talk) 16:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply


  • Delete. The article is completely unsourced apart from one statement about her getting an award; that is sourced to a page on the website of the business she was working for at the time, and merely briefly mentions her. It is neither an independent source nor substantial coverage of her. I have searched for better sources but found none; I picked up LinkedIn, Wikipedia, Facebook, X, websites of several newspapers she has worked for, etc, but nothing that came near to being substantial coverage in an independent reliable source. JBW ( talk) 20:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Malinaccier ( talk) 17:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ayyalur Subhan Ali

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WP:BLP of a smalltown local politician, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for local politicians. As always, politicians at the local level of office are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist -- the inclusion test for a local politician hinges on showing a significant depth and volume of reliable source coverage about their work -- specific things they did, specific projects they spearheaded, significant effects their leadership had on the development of the town or city, and on and so forth -- but this is basically just "he is a politician who exists", referenced mainly to primary sources that are not support for notability, while the closest thing to reliable source coverage about him is covering him in the context of undergoing surgery rather than in the context of anything related to making him notable as a politician.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much more and better sourcing than this. Bearcat ( talk) 16:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the redirect's undeletion. Star Mississippi 15:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Anatolia Genetics

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Very poorly written, and too much overlap in the article with Genetic studies on Turkish people (which parts of were apparently copy-pasted here) to warrant a separate article. Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 15:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. given article improvements and consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 00:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Peter Shapiro (journalist)

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Journalist falls short of WP:NBIO and WP:GNG tests; no evidence of WP:SIGCOV of him separate from his own writing and coverage of his books. (His book "Turn the Beat Around" would likely pass WP:NBOOK if an article were created on it, but Shapiro's notability cannot be WP:INHERITED from it.) Dclemens1971 ( talk) 16:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Leaning towards keep on the subject of this article. I disagree with the nominators assessment here - particularly as the applicable guideline is WP:AUTHOR, where independent coverage of the author's work is sufficient to evidence notability; WP:INHERITED does not apply. I have found and added several independent citations to the article, including a number of RS book reviews and RS articles stating the importance of the works of Shapiro. As such I !vote to keep this article per WP:AUTHOR#3: The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Article could really use expansion however. Per WP:NOPAGE I also recommend a single central article on the author and his works, rather than multiple articles on the books themselves. - I recommend Modulations: A History of Electronic Music is redirected to Shapiro if the result of this AfD is to keep. Resonant Distortion 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I appreciate you adding reviews links to the article. I disagree with you on the eligibility for WP:AUTHOR #3. While the author has created a couple of independently notable works, none of the reviews or sources describe the significance of his body of work; they are about individual works. While I agree that Modulations and Turn the Beat Around are notable, I don't think there are any sources to describe them as "significant" nor do any sources discuss them in the context of Shapiro's body of work. Considering that the only available sources are reviews of individual works, the notability should go to the works themselves. Furthermore, the reviews provide virtually no WP:SIGCOV of Shapiro himself, which would leave this article a WP:PERMASTUB without verifiable biographical information. The absence of significant coverage points toward delete. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 14:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    But there is enough coverage to write a non-stub article on Shapiro that is focused on his works. Frankly I find the sourcing on Modulations: A History of Electronic Music to be limited - it struggles to meet notability guidelines and it should be merged and redirected to the parent article Modulations: Cinema for the Ear, as a section in that page. As for WP:AUTHOR#3 - I am struggling to follow the above logic as the guidelines clearly do not require secondary coverage of the works as a body; a single book suffices. In this case we have at minimum one fully notable work and several more works with RS secondary coverage over a WP:SUSTAINED period, and the best place to manage this would be the single article on the author. To support this with an example, His 2005 book, The Rough Guide to Hip-Hop, has reliable sources both recommending it and stating it is important; but this is likely not enough for a standalone article, so the author article is the next best place. (Note - given the age of some of the books - we can very likely presume that offline coverage exists beyond a standard search engine). Resonant Distortion 16:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Here's what I question on criterion 3: is his work "significant and well-known"? I agree the one book meets the standard of "notable," but "significant and well-known" is different, if undefined. I find it difficult to understand how someone's work could be significant and well-known and the author of them remain sufficiently unknown that there are no reliable sources to validate even birth date or country of origin. (Sources disagree about whether Shapiro is American or British.) I'd be OK with a redirect of this page to an article for Turn the Beat Around if one were to be created, but without anything significant coverage I'm defaulting to WP:COMMONSENSE for a situation in which we can't really construct a biography. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 18:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I think we are going to disagree on this one. Given there are a number of reliable sources dedicated to the subjects' other books, but are not sufficiently SIGCOV in and of themselves to create several separate articles for each, the best option (per my version of WP:COMMONSENSE!) would be the other way round: Turn the Beat Around: The Secret History of Disco should redirect to Peter Shapiro (journalist) so we have a single page for all his works. Resonant Distortion 02:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - With the addition of new sources, I don't see any particular concern with notability. Shankargb ( talk) 02:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. To elucidate why I think the (many) book reviews of Shapiro's work don't constitute WP:SIGCOV of Shapiro himself, here's what the sigcov policy states: "We require 'significant coverage' in reliable sources so that we can actually write a whole article, rather than half a paragraph or a definition of that topic. If only a few sentences could be written and supported by sources about the subject, that subject does not qualify for a separate page, but should instead be merged into an article about a larger topic or relevant list." Right now, the article as it stands is just a few sentences, hardly any about Shapiro himself and about his work, and the sourcing doesn't really permit anything further to be written. As noted above, we don't even have the most basic information about his life. Thus my argument that the books are notable but that the author is not. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 00:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete as I find no coverage for this individual, sources I'd identified are for a different person. Oaktree b ( talk) 12:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Oaktree b - in the article are cited 14 secondary refs covering the books written by the subject of this article. This includes seven full page reviews of one of his works, multiple other reviews of his other works and further WP:RS stating the importance and recommending these other works. I personally do not see how WP:NAUTHOR is not met, and there's easily enough coverage to, at minimum, build a start class article based upon the works this individual has created (it took me about 5 minutes to expand the article by ~400%). Resonant Distortion 06:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Owen× ☎ 12:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Amber K

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Article is a BLP of a non-notable author, references are self-published sources inc Facebook. No particular claim of notability, says she's exec director of some company but that's not immediately verifiable from their home page. She taught some courses at some organisations, that seems to be about it. -- D'n'B- t -- 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Doesn't pass AUTHOR, I can't find book reviews. I don't see anything other than books for sale on the usual platforms. Nothing for biographical notability as I can't find articles about this individual either. Oaktree b ( talk) 18:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
* Keep: The page is in need of expansion and updating, not deletion. Amber K has writing books since the 1980s, the selection listed on the page is incomplete, as a cursory search for "Almber K bibliography" will indicate. Reviews of her books are likewise easily found on reviews sites, such as Goodreads, and her publisher's official sites as well. Ardantane, her "some company", is an independent, registered 501c3 non-profit corporation established in 1996 in the state of New Mexico and is one of the few Nationally recognized Pagan Schools in the United States. She is also a former First Officer (President) of Covenant of the Goddess (COG), an international organization of Wicca and Witchraft covens and practitioners, whih was founded in 1975. Amber K is also the originator of COG's Youth Service Award "The Hart and Crescent", which was originally designed for those in Scouting, may be earned by youth who are not Scouts as well.
When I have time, I will work on improving the article, provided that it is kept.
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I did notice the Goodreads reviews but I don't belive user generated content counts towards notability any more than the period of time over which books were written or the particular tax registration of a given organisation. -- D'n'B- t -- 10:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
User-generated content can't be used for notability; that's part of the issue, can't seem to find any critical reviews in sites that aren't blogs or user-generated sites Oaktree b ( talk) 20:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep somewhat reluctantly, I think there's a case similar to the reasoning behind WP:NARTIST and WP:NMUSICIAN. There's precedent for keeping articles on figures who have been influential within a notable subculture, even if they are not known beyond that subculture. It seems to me that on grounds of WP:SUSTAINED, the volume of work published, and reliable sources describing her as something resembling an authority figure on new age Modern paganism in the United States, she probably edges over into notability. The existing article that's written should probably be tagged for FANPOV. BrigadierG ( talk) 16:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte ( talk) 18:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Carl Balita

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Doesn't appear to be notable independently of his senate run, for which Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill#Political candidates would apply, with the sources given being candidate databases and interviews. Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 14:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Elli ( talk | contribs) 14:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ibrat Saeed Qureshi

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Fails WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. There's nothing from WP:BEFORE to establish notability either. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete failed candidacy misses WP:NPOL BrigadierG ( talk) 16:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Golmaal (film series). Discussion about redirecting to another target can continue on the target's Talk page. Owen× ☎ 13:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Golmaal Jr.

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Fails WP:GNG. M S Hassan ( talk) 13:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep - Golmaal Jr has enough sources for it to be an article, the series seems popular in general. TheNuggeteer ( talk) 07:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 14:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Jono Jumamoy

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The article does not pass WP:POLITICIAN or WP:GNG TheNuggeteer ( talk) 13:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 13:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Judith Cajes

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The article does not pass WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG TheNuggeteer ( talk) 13:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete the only sources I can find are related to her slapping someone and COVID lockdowns, which aren't good enough for WP:GNG. Mayor doesn't pass WP:POLITICIAN. Generally a very minor politician with no major record to speak of. Possible redirect to Roberto Cajes, her husband —  Iadmc ♫ talk  13:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I dont think the redirect is possible, the redirect does not contain even a sentence of Judith Cajes. TheNuggeteer ( talk) 13:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Good point further showing how minor she is—  Iadmc ♫ talk  14:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

NGC 6789

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep, because the article needs to be expanded. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy/procedural keep - this relates to longstanding conflict/disruption related to the history/legacy of the famous Romanian football team 'Steaua București', with two clubs ( FCSB and CSA Steaua București) both claiming the heritage. AFD is totally the wrong venue to deal with any perceived issues related to this, FSCB is clearly notable.‎. Giant Snowman 12:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

FCSB

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The information presented here is mostly false. The date the club was founded is wrong, the records are wrong, the history is wrong, former players are wrong, about 80% of the entire article is wrong.

If you go to the club's own website, you find nothing about the information presented here. It says here that Fcsb has 27 domestic titles. When its chairman of the board was asked if this is true, he denied it. https://as.ro/fotbal/liga-1/mihai-stoica-explicatie-total-neasteptata-motivul-pentru-care-numarul-27-va-fi-trecut-pe-tricourile-campioanei-fcsb-398416.html So why keep this article? It makes no sense. Just because there is some wrong information posted on some website? That is the same as fake news. Does Wikipedia support fake news now? TPTB ( talk) 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment AfD is not for debating the content. It is to establish WP:notabilty and appropriate WP inclusion/exclusion. Please feel free to correct the info with WP:reliable sources or reframe the AfD proposal. If the sources are geniune and reliable, btw we might need a conversation about how to use them.

Comment: this is an invalid and arguably malicious nomination. As can be seen on the talk pages of this article and various others on related entities, there is a long-running legal dispute. The nom is likely to be proved correct that FCSB will be disassociated from most if not all of the historic achievements of the Steaua Bucharest club in due course, but AFAIK this is not definitive at present in terms of reliable sources stating exactly what can be allocated to whom. Regardless, the FCSB entity is an extant sports club (and won the Romanian championship this season just gone) so is unequivocally a valid topic for an article, and would be still valid as a topic as a means of clarification on the events of the past years even if it were dissolved altogether tomorrow. The nom has seemingly lost their patience in this matter and now simply wants to have all the information deleted rather than have contentious information removed by the proper means and processes. Crowsus ( talk) 16:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 13:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of postal codes in Iraq

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WP:NOTDIRECTORY BrigadierG ( talk) 12:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Assam cricketers#B. Liz Read! Talk! 23:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Manoj Bhagawati

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No more information available on this topic, The article did not edit from much time. And no importance of this article.... Many regions to delete it. Manoj Bhagawati is/was not famous cricketer. Paigaonwasii. — Preceding undated comment added 08:43, 30 May 2024‎ (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters#King Grayskull. Hey man im josh ( talk) 12:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

King Grayskull

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No evidence that this is notable per BEFORE. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 11:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to List of Gargoyles characters#Demona. Owen× ☎ 13:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Demona

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The only sigcov source here [15] and a bit useful IGN source [16] still doesn't pass WP:GNG with the demonstrated sources. The best thing is to merge it into a list of characters. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 11:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete and Section Move. I find it strange that this character ends up having her own page in this website, so I agree that the majority of the information in Demona's separate article should be merged in the list of Gargoyle characters. Anonymy365248 ( talk) 18:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep She's a decades-old character who is still popular today and has appeared in different forms of media including games and comics. -- DrBat ( talk) 21:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:ITSPOPULAR 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 23:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
"But without a single reliable source to verify its existence or accuracy, there is no way it can be included" doesn't apply here. DrBat ( talk) 01:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
At this point, I'm not sure what I'm gonna respond to you. Show me more sources like Mary Sue that really doscuss the character in detail for it to prove that she's really notable. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 01:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
There's this article, this interview, and this video. -- DrBat ( talk) 02:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I already brought up the IGN source. Demona is just a passing mention from the AV club source + that youtube source is unreliable. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 03:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The av club one has a whole section of the interview about the character, it's hardly a passing mention. -- DrBat ( talk) 04:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Oops I missed this sorry, but we don't usually call this WP:SIGCOV as a source somehow since Demona wasn't discussed as a character but as an interview to voice her in a short detail. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 04:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pisces B

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies and also has similarities with the article about Pisces A, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pisces A

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The nominator seems to be proposing to merge each of these into the Local Void article. SevenSpheres ( talk) 22:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Strong Delete: Some users kept saying "keep" but none of them want to expand the page. So, why not just have it deleted, since it's pointless to keep an article that's a stub but not find any sources to expand it. Anonymy365248 ( talk) 07:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

NGC 7077

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

NGC 6503

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep because it is notable. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Strong Delete: I don't think so, because no one has even tried to expand the article. Anonymy365248 ( talk) 07:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pull (philately)

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Would be better suited for a definition on wikitionary, I think. Heyallkatehere ( talk) 10:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Note: There is no argument for deletion being made and this could have been procedurally closed. At this stage, that would be a super vote, so NC it is. Links being dead, an unproven allegation of it being "stolen from a draft" are arguments for history merge and clean up. Year-old AfC comments are not binding, and no argument has been made for why this can't be cleaned up in mainspace Star Mississippi 15:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Carl Schleicher

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There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus. 48JCL ( talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way. 48JCL ( talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas ( talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable" 48JCL TALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of WP:WAX. Look at Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable. 48JCL TALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I generally ignore Wikipedia essays and only follow the policies and guidelines, so I do not accept the premises behind WP:WAX. I agree with you that an article existing in just one other language does not make it notable; however, I get a feeling that this article about Carl Schleicher would exist without any issues in *every other language* except in English. Maybe the original creator of the draft had a poor first draft which attracted (now undue) attention? Ethanbas ( talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ 48JCL, why do you think he is non-notable? FortunateSons ( talk) 11:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again? 48JCL TALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ FortunateSons 48JCL TALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ 48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is? FortunateSons ( talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics? Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Where are his works on display? Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons ( talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do. 48JCL TALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, the article is less than great, agreed so far. However, being in significant need of improvement is not a deletion criteria.
The dead BBC links are a problem, and I couldn’t find an archived one, so this probably does not meet notability criteria now. FortunateSons ( talk) 06:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Unless we have better sourcing, I don't think the article is ready for mainspace... I mean, he exists, but finding any sort of critical mention of the fellow is difficult. [17] is but a brief mention in a caption, this won't open from my location [18], this talks about his daughter [19]. Sourcing now in the article is basic auction listings and links to images of his paintings, nothing about the individual himself. Having articles in other wiki versions does nothing for notability (and frankly they would likely be deleted as well for lack of sourcing). Oaktree b ( talk) 14:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: He does have a Getty ULAN listing, which is helpful. [20], he appears in one German-language volume and what appears to be a database. I'm still not sure these are enough for our notability standards. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: The artist might not be ready for an article here, but the one painting showing the rabbis sitting and discussing at the table might have enough for an article; this from the Wikipedia Library [21], Oaktree b ( talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge‎ to Dynamical mean-field theory. Owen× ☎ 13:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Typical medium dynamical cluster approximation

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Page probably created by students in the group of the originator of the algorithm. All relevant refs to the method are from one group, there are no secondary sources. It should be trimmed down to a paragraph or two and merged into Dynamical mean-field theory since it is a variant of that very well established and used approach. We should not have separate articles on every minor DFT variant IMO. Ldm1954 ( talk) 08:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Merge & Redirect per nom. Likely COI issue. Barnards.tar.gz ( talk) 08:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Ldm1954: The TMDCA is a well established method that warrants a page of it's own. It introduces both spatial correlations and order parameter that is currently not available in any mean-field theory, including the dynamical mean field theory. It is just as saying that the page for the
    Coherent Potential Approximation and dynamical mean-field theory should be merged. Both these two approximations are exactly the same at the thermodynamical limit, but focused on different aspects of the physics. I respectfully disagree with the notion of merging them and do not support it. SrihariKastuar ( talk) 15:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC) — SrihariKastuar ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
@ Ldm1954: Both the DMFT and TMDCA are robust approximations that address some of the most challenging problems in condensed matter physics, and they truly merit recognition. Regarding the citations, they're not limited to just one group. In fact, there are seven additional citations from various other groups. As you might be aware, it's common for the initial citations of a method in physics and in science in general to have the imprint of the developer, much like what you see with the DMFT citation, for example, where 95% of the current citations on its page are from the original group. CEE ( talk) 15:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Ldm1954: just to add every human being, including yourself has some level of COI. While I have never used the TMDCA before, I am a science enthusiast who appreciates the hard work and dedication of people to solving scientific problems. Please, let's move past this to focus on other things. SrihariKastuar ( talk) 15:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That's not what COI means here. XOR'easter ( talk) 02:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: As both the nominator and one of the grey-haired solid-state academics who have reviewed this, let me add some context to try and explain a bit more about why I nominated this. My apologies in advance for jargonese and being a bit technical.
Hopefully nobody will try and claim comparable notability to any of the above for this approach. It merits mention, but merged into one of the existing large branches of ab-initio methods not as a separate page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldm1954 ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and Redirect. This is way too niche for a standalone article, it merited a single sentence in the RMP review. The only reason there exists an extensive article about it here is COI, as indicated by the WP:SPA army. Tercer ( talk) 14:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Tercer ( talk) I respectfully disagree with your perspective. It seems we may be encountering a situation of selective emphasis. As indicated by the title, the focus was intended to cover various approaches, not just one. There are numerous review articles on this topic, and the one you've referenced is only one among many. For instance, consider this dedicated article, which might offer a more comprehensive view on the approach: https://journals.aps.org/rmp/abstract/10.1103/RevModPhys.77.1027. gmp001 ( talk) 17:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm mystified about how a review from 2005 could possibly be relevant for a technique invented in 2014. Tercer ( talk) 19:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and Redirect. After the discussion here and doing a literature search on my own, I agree with the comment just above. At present, the sourcing just doesn't support having a dedicated article. The state of the field would be better represented by a broader article that discusses the various techniques that have been developed, giving some time to each and making it easier to compare and contrast them, rather than delving into the details almost to the point of writing pseudocode. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. I do not know if Gmp007 is the article subject or a student or colleague but the consensus among experienced editors is that it is TOOSOON and this article right now should be deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 03:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Chinedu Ekuma

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Assistant professor with an h-factor of 22 and no notable awards and no notable mentions. Novice editor (his first article) ignored AfC declination and moved to main space, twice deleting COI tags. On new page patrol both notability and COI were tagged and draftified; novice editor removed tags and a moved back to main space. Hence AfD. Ldm1954 ( talk) 07:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pro forma, pinging @ Whpq and @ Liance who previously tagged/reviewed versions. Ldm1954 ( talk) 07:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete. I know nothing about Chinedu Ekuma beyond what is in the article, and that does not add up to notability. For a young scientist his career is respectable, but that's not enough. He may become notable in the future, but he's not there yet. Athel cb ( talk) 10:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Opinions are all over the map here. Editors interested in a Merge can pursue that option outside of this AFD. Liz Read! Talk! 06:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

NASCAR on television in the 1980s

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of announcments, centrally those about the seasons, WP:PRIMARY, mostly dead and redirected pages, TV schedules, those centrally about the season with the broadcasting being merely mentions and most of those being YouTube posts; none of these helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 18:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - The only difference between this discussion and the discussions for the other decades prior to May 29 (when the others were closed and this was relisted) was the extra delete !vote by Ajf773. Was there a particular reason for only !voting here? I do agree with others above that it would be odd for this decade to be the only one not be allowed to stand alone. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  00:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ GhostOfDanGurney: While I do, obviously, have issue (as I mentioned above) with the idea that one decade's article gets deleted while the rest did not, it doesn't matters why they voted on one and not the rest, that's entirely acceptable to do. We have no reason to question them on it. Hey man im josh ( talk) 11:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Hey man im josh: My aim with the comment was to try to determine if it was worth seeing if just renominating the whole bundle of decades as a batch (without the other articles that were included the first time) was a good option. I should have been more clear with that and I apologize for coming across as trying to call them out here. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge with NASCAR on television and radio: per the nom. I'm just not finding the sources covering the broadcasts from this decade as a group, and as such, this fails to meet the WP:NLIST and WP:GNG. Merge as a WP:ATD, along with the rest of the articles from this 'series'. Let'srun ( talk) 01:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle ( talk) 09:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

UHO MZF F.C.

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Coverage and sourcing is just They exist" and champions of two cups of some type. North8000 ( talk) 23:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • That sounds like saying that it can't meet the actual GNG (and so IMO is not wp:notable) and so we need a different GNG to make sure that non-notable lower division football teams get in. North8000 ( talk) 21:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm not happy at the way you've completely mis-represented my keep !vote. The article easily passes GNG. SportingFlyer T· C 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ SportingFlyer: I posted in a way that highlighted what I felt to be issues with your argument. In hindsight, viewing it from another angle, such is a "spun negative" description of your post. I did not intend to do something like that. Please accept my apologies for that. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 00:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That's not true. These are not match reports, but rather articles about how the team won the championship, failed in the round of 16, et cetera, and football club notability is not based on whether they're important regionally, internationally, et cetera. They are also covered on an ongoing basis by the newspaper in their local area including sources not currently linked in the article, such as [23]: this is about the competition but the club is clearly the subject of the article. SportingFlyer T· C 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That is a routine coverage. According to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of reference in the article provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf ( talk) 02:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle ( talk) 09:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Western Pennsylvania Professional Football Circuit

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WP:OR / WP:MADEUP coinage. I find no evidence of the term "Western Pennsylvania Professional Football Circuit" existing prior to this article's creation in 2012; every source that has used it has come afterward. Even in post-2012 material I see no WP:SIGCOV in sources that clearly qualify as WP:RS. The "circuit" is not mentioned in any of the article's references except for RetroSeasons (which postdates the WP article by several years and on one of its pages copies almost verbatim from it). One might agree or disagree that the early independent teams of western PA loosely constituted a "circuit", but it's not for Wikipedia to make up a capitalized name for it and treat it as an established concept. This isn't a case like the Ohio League, which, while not a league in any strict or formal sense, is attested in its own time and by historians. T. Cadwallader Phloog ( talk) 23:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, American football, and Pennsylvania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The nomination appears to be flawed as the nominator is taking issue with the title of the page, rather than the content. This is a WP:SURMOUNTABLE problem. Article can be moved to a more appropriate title if desired. The content of the article satisfies GNG, so the article should be kept at this or another title. Frank Anchor 14:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Well, the content, too, treats the "circuit" as a real (albeit loosely defined) thing that "operated from 1890 to approximately 1940", had its own championships, and lived on as the W. Pa. Senior Indep. Football Conference -- all apparently OR claims. The article could perhaps be rewritten as an article about a related but somewhat different subject -- the early history of professional football in Western Pennsylvania -- and be titled accordingly, but the content as it stands now relates to an OR concept. T. Cadwallader Phloog ( talk) 17:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle ( talk) 09:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Swofford, Washington

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Meany's (source 3) [24] definition of places is less stringent than Wikipedia's definition, which is legally recognized places. Meany wrote that Swofford (the man) set up a post office in the Swofford valley and later moved it to Mossy Rock. Places don't move, but post offices do (sometimes in shoe boxes). Washington State place names published in 1971 [25] Doesn't list swofford as a place. A rather unreliable source [26], but commonly referenced nonetheless lists this place, but all of the reliable sources used for their mention call it "Swofford Valley". Reading newspapers from the area reveals that the post office served the Swofford valley, and the people who lived in the valley used it's name to define where they lived. The Centralia Daily Chronicle in 1976 (July 1, 1976 Page 31 [27]) explains that the valley had a rural farming community with a post office and a drug store. The reality is that these were probably not separate buildings, and it would not be all that unusual for this to actually be Swofford's residence as well. It is not a legally recognized place. Furthermore it's full name is "Swofford Valley". The confusion arises because post offices in the 1800's could only have one word names. If it is not deleted here I want want it moved to Swofford Valley, Washington. James.folsom ( talk) 22:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete I must have missed this one when I was trying to clear Washington of non-existent place articles. Nom sums it up pretty well, a onetime rural post office named for the person who said "hey, my neighbors and I need a post office" isn't a community, and saying it "is" a community is plainly false as there is clearly nothing there: [28]. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 02:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep A couple books from 1922 and 1923 describe it as a town, and Swofford cemetery is nearby, though it's described as now being in Mossyrock. I've also seen conflicting contemporary reports that say it's just a post office from a smallpox outbreak around the turn of the century, and that people were listed as being from Swofford in cattle and education reports in 1920 and 1923. There's some conjecture in the nom, and I think we can say there was a small community there at one point, even if it's clearly not referred to as Swofford any more. SportingFlyer T· C 19:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    The only place that was called swofford was the post office, in was in Swoffard Valley, but the postal service only used single words to name them at that time. The area was always known Swofford valley. Any newspapers that reported local news from "Swofford" did so because that was the post mark on the letter. The newspaper got that news by mail from who ever in the valley wrote in to report it. James.folsom ( talk) 21:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Forgot to mention could you please source the claims in your argument. James.folsom ( talk) 21:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and strongly so. I asked on the Talk:Swofford, Washington page to pause any slotting of the article into AfD as I have sources (and still collecting more) to rewrite and expand the article to provide proof of a community. However, the AfD went ahead 4 hours later... I ask any admin or editor with AfD closure rights to please pause any action for a few days so that I (or others) can work on the page; see per WP:RUSHDELETE. In case there is any doubt, please see my efforts at Ceres, Washington, Cora, Washington, and Forest, Washington. Would a Template:Under construction be necessary/appropriate? Also, I have viewed similar sources that back up SportingFlyer's mentions. Thanks! Shortiefourten ( talk) 19:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Finally finished updating and expanding other articles under AfD via the GNIS cleanup process so I'll be able to devote time tomorrow to add sourcing and expansion on the Swofford article. I again ask admins and those involved for a couple extra days before any potential actions to delete the Swofford page. Thanks! Shortiefourten ( talk) 18:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment No. 2 The article has been expanded, mentioning both Swofford and Swofford Valley synonymously as the community does and backed up by sourcing. Relied on local news articles, as one does for small, rural communities in the USA. Article is written and sourced well-enough now, IMO, to further warrant Keep status. A quick note - news articles ref'd on the page consistently refer to Swofford as a town or community. I decided to go ahead and do the work straight to the article rather than my previous AfD-saving attempts of listing sources first on the talk page. It's just doing double the work and is by no means trying to circumvent anything. Being WP:BOLD? I dunno, just don't have the time to do twice the effort. Feel free to add or subtract from what I wrote on the article page...or leave some notes on what could be improved. Thanks! Shortiefourten ( talk) 19:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced and dead links, these consists of WP:PRIMARY, one being about one of its commentators and announcements, some being more deserving in an article about the coverage but not this list; barely much to help this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 19:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympics on NBC commentators SpacedFarmer ( talk) 06:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Just about all of the names of the commentators and what respective events that they worked on for each of ABC's Olympic broadcasts that have been listed are for the most part, accounted for reference/sourcing wise. There are now over 200 sources spanning from 1964-1988. Also, the article touches in depth, arguably two of the most significant or well known moments in ABC's Olympic history, Jim McKay's reporting on the 1972 Munich massacre and Al Michaels' calling what would become known as the " Miracle on Ice" in 1980. So it isn't merely just a list of commentators, there's some context behind it. BornonJune8 ( talk) 11:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Robert Gordon University#Garthdee campus. No argument has been made for it being independently notable. With the information already being present, there's no need to merge but the history is retained if someone feels something worth adding. Star Mississippi 14:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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This whole page reads like an overly detailed promotional pamphlet for the Robert Gordon University, and the main Robert Gordon University article has most, if not all, of the useful information from this article in its Garthdee campus section UltrasonicMadness ( talk) 19:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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International Socialist League (2019)

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In its current state, I'm not sure how this article meets our policy for notability of organizations. All of the cited sources are from periodicals and organizations directly affiliated with this organization (1 from Socialist Middle East, 1 from Alternativa Socialista, 3 from Asian Marxist Review, 1 from Periodismo de Izquierda, 1 from MST, 2 from the Socialist Laborers Party and 5 from the International Socialist League itself). Looking through Google Scholar, almost all of the results I see are about the South African International Socialist League, I can't find any clear cases of significant coverage of this organization in independent, reliable sources.

Despite linking to 25 websites and facebook pages affiliated with this organization, it doesn't appear that any of these affiliates are independently notable either, so I'm not sure what case can be made for this article needing to exist. Also, the only pages that appear to link to this one are just long lists of Trotskyist internationals. I don't think every non-notable Trotskyist international necessitates individual pages. Grnrchst ( talk) 09:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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9wm

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I think this fails WP: N. I found this which gives a review of 9wm in a few sentences and some mentions in a couple of books, but nothing more than that. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 15:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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A.P.J.M. Matriculation Higher Secondary School

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Delete Fails to meet WP:NSCHOOL. Can be mentioned as an educational institution in /info/en/?search=Kanyakumari_district Wikilover3509 ( talk) 14:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: "Before 2017, secondary schools were assumed notable unless sources could not be found to prove existence, but following a February 2017 RFC, secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist, and are still subject both to the standards of notability, as well as those for organizations." See WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Charlie ( talk) 12:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. Why not? Merge discussions can occur outside of this AFD. Liz Read! Talk! 04:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The Alcalde

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Merge Fails to meet WP:GNG. Better to merge either with /info/en/?search=University_of_Texas_at_Austin or /info/en/?search=Texas_Exes Wikilover3509 ( talk) 13:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. Nobody wants it deleted, it seems like, so my proposition would be to close this discussion as no consensus and carry out the merger as a normal editorial action. Geschichte ( talk) 18:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. WP:NPASR applies. ✗ plicit 11:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sagem myX-2

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It doesn't appear to meet WP:N, made by non-notable company. Boleyn ( talk) 09:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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:Delete per WP:NCORP 104.7.152.180 ( talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

This is a product, not a company. Liz Read! Talk! 22:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Thanks for improvements to the article over this AFD. Liz Read! Talk! 04:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Brewster Gardens

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fails general notability guideline. ltb d l ( talk) 06:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Is there a reason you think it fails GNG? I see many sources for this: https://www.google.co.nz/books/edition/A_guide_to_Plymouth_and_its_history/FfLLEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Brewster+Gardens%22&pg=PT33&printsec=frontcover https://www.plymouthindependent.org/steps-in-the-right-direction-brewster-gardens-project-finished/ Traumnovelle ( talk) 06:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I will vote Keep for now given the sources I've managed to find and no explanation on why it fails GNG. Traumnovelle ( talk) 02:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Further sources: https://www.google.co.nz/books/edition/Plymouth/IP4lKfB4StkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Brewster+Gardens%22+-wikipedia&pg=PA24&printsec=frontcover https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/old-colony-memorial/2020/11/12/plymouth-garden-club-parks-forestry-division-spruce-up-brewster-gardens/6271874002/ (doesn't help establish notability on it's own) https://books.google.co.nz/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Qr0wBwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA244&dq=%22Brewster+Gardens%22&ots=Qm96qdgJEM&sig=ihOH6lAbusl7hLGYDBvLpfA6xDc&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22Brewster%20Gardens%22&f=false
This appears to be a park that is often used for public gatherings and protests alongside being frequently mentioned in information about local history. Still not seeing how this fails notability. Traumnovelle ( talk) 06:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: I prefer seeing the article about Brewster Gardens being merged into the article about Plymouth, Massachuetts. Anonymous ( talk) 07:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
But "delete" would ensure the article is not merged into Plymouth, Massachusetts. Thincat ( talk) 10:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I just added a sentence and sourcing by the North and Source Rivers Watershed Association. There is a lot of work that needs to be done on the article. Part of the visual problem with article, was that all the tagging notices took up about three times more space than the actual article wording. But the source I added leaves no doubt that this is a pretty notable area park. — Maile ( talk) 11:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I have just cleaned up and resourced this article. It should at least pass basic requirements for a Keep. It seemed to have originally been created by a good faith editor. — Maile ( talk) 22:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sacks and Co.

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The subject of this article is a business with no proven notability. As written, it contains no references. A limited web search reveals no feature stories or in-depth articles that would indicate that this organization should be included in an encyclopedia. A single story in Daily Variety [ [32]] from 2006 was all I could unearth

I had previously submitted it for PROD but the reviewer somehow felt this was worth keeping. Volcom95 ( talk) 06:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure)‎ LibStar ( talk) 21:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ed Craven

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This article is more about the companies he founded which already have their own articles. His life doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO. LibStar ( talk) 00:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. Agree that it meets notability standards. It is also of public interest and serves the public. I just found this article after seeking information on this individual. Knox490 ( talk) 05:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I agree that Duffbeerforme's assertion (without evidence of any, let alone a pattern) seems at odds with WP:NEXIST (a long-standing part of our notability guideline). To wit, "The current state of the article does not determine notability...Multiple suitable sources that could be cited...Likely notable". But I cannot access most of GMH's links to decide how in-depth and independent of each other they are for this person himself. DMacks ( talk) 06:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Participants believe this article subject meets WP:JUDGE. Liz Read! Talk! 04:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Mohammad Anwarul Haque

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Failed WP:GNG. Nothing significant except an obituary Ontor22 ( talk) 06:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep meets WP:NJUDGE BrigadierG ( talk) 13:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That is not true. Multiple sources used in the article, from reliable newspapers, identify him as a judge in the High Court Division of the Bangladesh Supreme Court. You nominating the article is a vote for deletion; you do not have to make a bold recommendation. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 01:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Participants disagree with nominator and believe the subject meets WP:JUDGE Liz Read! Talk! 04:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Khandoker Musa Khaled

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No significant and independent coverage. Does not meet the conditions of WP:JUDGE Ontor22 ( talk) 06:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep pretty clearly meets WP:JUDGE, sitting on a country's supreme court constitutes "national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office" BrigadierG ( talk) 13:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That is not true. Multiple sources used in the article, from reliable newspapers, identify him as a judge in the High Court Division of the Bangladesh Supreme Court. The third source is the article, Five additional judges of HC get job confirmation, which includes the subject. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 01:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 04:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Jack Gray (rugby union)

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No evidence of SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Triptothecottage ( talk) 05:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete, as per others. Alexeyevitch( talk) 10:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 04:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Aloy Ejimakor

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This subject fails WP:GNG as well as WP:ANYBIO because he is not the actual subject of significant in-depth coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. He is mentioned in sources covering other topics. That's not enough. JFHJr ( ㊟) 05:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

How does he meet WP:N? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 05:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Per your points, let's add WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON. Thank you, War Term. JFHJr ( ㊟) 05:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Ok. I retract the WP:N comment. What about the other two? @ Gråbergs Gråa Sång @ JFHJr (Chat With Term) talk 06:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
If WP:N fails, they're not very relevant for this discussion. No WP:N, no article. Existing is not enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 06:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
War Term: If you're the creator and you're retracting N, why not change your vote to speedy delete? JFHJr ( ㊟) 06:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect seems at worst harmless, I added a mention of him at [38]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. I'd normally accept Redirect as a sensible ATD in such cases, but the fact that the copyright violating text existed from the very first version of the page, and the limited amount of editing done since, makes Redirect over a selective delrev a poor choice in this case. Any editor is welcome to recreate the page as a redirect, although I don't see much value in that. Owen× ☎ 12:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Introduction to Leadership Skills (Boy Scouts of America)

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This is a service product related to BSA/Scouting/Boy Scouts of America and given the guide book like nature of this article and lack of SIRS devoted to this service product, I argue that it should be re-directed to Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America) or another appropriate target. I've boldly re-directed but it was reverted, so I am putting it up for consensus discussion Graywalls ( talk) 02:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment I just got this bon mot on civility on my talk page. -- evrik ( talk) 02:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I would appreciate if you keep the discussion contained to contents. Given the lack of sources that would allow this article to meet NCORP for the program itself and such heavy reliance on primary source, I don't believe it merits a stand-alone and per WP:BRD, I re-directed it, boldly, which you reverted and I believe that AfD is the proper venue to discussion such. Graywalls ( talk) 02:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and Wikify Covers two major programs that 100,000's or millions have been through. A good "sub-article" of Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America) and these types commonly exist without the unusually strict (in that context) bar being promulgated by the duo. Whether we get that by just following the norm or by bringing in a bit of IAR, IMO that would be a good way to cover this. BTW a pair of folks have been intensely working at deleting BSA articles and BSA article content and that duo is here in this AFD. Article needs wikifying and a bit of paring to be more oriented towards informing a typical (non-BSA) reader. I'd be happy to work on that if pinged. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 17:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    • User:North8000, I read over your comment twice but I see no policy-based reasons for keeping this. "Millions have been through it" isn't one, and I don't know what "good sub-article" means or why that means we should keep it. IAR is not an excuse to have all this material in our encyclopedia. I suppose you mean me as part of that duo? Well that's sweet. Can we please get any reliable secondary sourcing? Remember, "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", that's what we need. Drmies ( talk) 02:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
BTW the ping would need to be on or after June 17th. Soon I'll be gone until then. North8000 ( talk) 18:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Your post completely ignores my argument and so is not a response to my post. North8000 ( talk) 18:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Your argument essentially says "I like this stuff and I find it valuable and should be retained" and not grounded in guidelines supported by the wider community and IAR shouldn't liberally invoke to try to retain "I like it and its informative" article that isn't supportable in ordinary guidelines. Graywalls ( talk) 18:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
No, that is a completely invented insulting mis-statement of my argument, so far off that it bears no relationship to my argument. North8000 ( talk) 18:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Hey everyone, now Graywalls has posted this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philmont Leadership Challenge and is starting to attack Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America). Just saying. BTW, this appears to be an continuation of the discussion held: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1153#User:Graywalls_reported_by_User:72.83.72.31 -- evrik ( talk) 22:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Nobody came forward for filing that drive-by report and I see Special:Contributions/72.83.72.31 has no other edits. Graywalls ( talk) 22:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
User:evrik, can you explain what you mean with "attack" and how that jibes with [{WP:AGF]]? Drmies ( talk) 02:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I made my recommendation, gave the basis for it and made my offer. Now I've seen two people misstate what I said. Including misstating that my mention of IAR was explicitly only to follow a common and useful-for-Wikipedia norm which is not explicitly supported by policy. Even if I wasn't going to be gone until June 17th I'd be stepping away from this now,content to go with whatever is decided and leaving my offer open to Wikify if it is kept and if pinged. I'm extending that offer to include doing a careful merge if that is decided and if pinged. In the larger picture the duo has had some valid points that could point toward some refining of BSA articles but unfortunately, I've seen what IMO appears be a hostile view towards the BSA articles, a pretty heavy targeting of them, and where their only activity on them has been towards large scale deletion of material and deletion of articles with no activity towards improving them. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 11:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - The discussion here seems contentious when all that needs to happen is review the references to determine if the topic is notable. Unfortunately, I cannot find any in-depth coverage to show how it meets WP:GNG, nor do I see any references pointed out above that would qualify. If someone is able to provide the sourcing they feel shows notability, I would be happy to review and even change my !vote. Would recommend a redirect to Boy Scouts of America if page is ultimately deleted. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 03:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America) per nom. This does not meet WP:NORG. In particular this is a non notable product of a notable organisation. WP:NPRODUCT is the relevant guideline. There should be sustained coverage per WP:SIRS. That coverage does not exist. Rather than deleting the page, a redirect to the training page is appropriate. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 16:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. No SIRS coverage, and a redirect that preserves the history would also preserve copyvio like the paragraph beginning ILSC helps crew members with leadership positions..., copied from this Word doc. And that's just from comparing the current text to the sources it cites; I'm guessing there's more copyvio in the history and/or non-cited sources. JoelleJay ( talk) 03:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to List of building or structure fires#2018. Malinaccier ( talk) 02:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

2018 Manila Pavilion Hotel fire

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (events). No evidence of lasting effects based on GNews Archives and GBooks search. A brief and cited mention at List_of_building_or_structure_fires#2018 can also be an alternative to deletion. -- Lenticel ( talk) 02:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Redirect - Per Slgrandson
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The result was delete‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 02:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Cameron Guarino

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The same article was deleted at Cam Guarino by User:Kuru. I tagged this article for speedy deletion but it was declined by User:GB fan. User:Namiba 02:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Note: The article at Cam Guarino was created by a check-user verified paid editing sock evading a block on another account. I've added 'Johnson Abigail' to an existing follow-up. Sam Kuru (talk) 11:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I have blocked the article's author, Johnson Abigail, as a sock. GB fan - I don't mind allowing this discussion to play out, but I believe that a G5 speedy would now be within policy, and more expedient. You declined the original speedy tag - do you objections to deletion at this point? Girth Summit (blether) 14:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't have any objections. At the time I declined, there was no investigation of any kind I could point to. There wasn't even a sock puppet identified that was pointed to. ~ GB fan 15:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 02:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of festivals in California

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List with only 2 entries, only one of which has an article. Does not meet WP:STANDALONELIST. '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete. Per the linked Wikipedia page, the article topic (which is about festivals in California) needs to be talked as a whole in other sources. Such sources are not referenced. 47.153.138.166 ( talk) 02:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war. (non-admin closure) Josethewikier ( talk) 02:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Reactions to the Israel–Hamas war

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I've created this article copy-pasting from the main article ( Israel–Hamas war) 1 month ago, but I think this article is very poorly written and I cannot help but find the International Reactions to the Israel–Hamas war article to be thousands of times better than this one. I believe this article should be deleted. Maybe one or two things can be merged into the above article, but I don't really see how. It's also a possibility to rename the above article to remove the word "international" after the potential deletion of this one, but I digress. Josethewikier ( talk) 01:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

You can probably add a Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G7._Author_requests_deletion G7 tag to get this speedily deleted since you are the original author and no other substantial content has been added. Barnards.tar.gz ( talk) 08:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes I could, and I probably will soon. I just wanted to ask the public if they have any better suggestions. Josethewikier ( talk) 15:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Per G7 would be fine, otherwise this would be an easy redirect to the article mentioned above. You can be bold and redirect the article now, then withdraw your nomination here. Conyo14 ( talk) 21:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I shall withdraw this AfD and redirect to above article then. (unless I should G7?) Josethewikier ( talk) 16:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. The consensus in this discussion is that this article meets WP:NPLACE and there is also little articulated support for the deletion nomination. Liz Read! Talk! 00:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Clover Park, New Zealand

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Proposing to merge/redirect to Flat Bush (Most of the area falls under Flat Bush). Not gazetted/included in Auckland Council's official map tool and fails GNG, no sigcov turns up in a search with most results pertaining to a school and one even stating the area is Otara: https://www.google.co.nz/books/edition/Addressing_Pupil_s_Behaviour/UlAAhkusknAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clover+park%22+auckland&pg=PT109&printsec=frontcover Traumnovelle ( talk) 01:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and New Zealand. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Delete per nom Heyallkatehere ( talk) 10:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I admit to not understanding this nom, as a simple search of the NZ Herald brings up over 300 results about the suburb. SportingFlyer T· C 06:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Did you look at any of the articles? They're all appear to be generic news reports about incidents in the area and do not establish any notability to the place itself. Traumnovelle ( talk) 06:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes, but those articles clearly define it as a place, Kia Aroha school says it's in Clover Park and not Ōtara, houses are listed as being in Clover Park on house listing websites, it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986... places have some of the lowest notability thresholds on the entire website and I really don't see what's to be gained from deleting a perfectly good article about a place that is literally a point in the generic map box when you view the map, just because of some technicality. SportingFlyer T· C 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    The threshold for places is WP:NPLACE. The relevant paragraph is this one:
    Populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG. Examples may include subdivisions, business parks, housing developments, informal regions of a state, unofficial neighborhoods, etc. – any of which could be considered notable on a case-by-case basis, given non-trivial coverage by their name in multiple, independent reliable sources. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it.
    >it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986...
    There are records dating back to the 1800s of some places in my neighbourhood, yet no one outside of my neighbourhood, and even some of them won't know what they are. Simply existing is not grounds for an article and the information would be better off included in the relevant article/articles. Traumnovelle ( talk) 19:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    You're proposing an area that is clearly defined by the census and is recognised by multiple NZ government entities does not qualify for an article because it's not included in a place names layer on a single website, which again would be an extreme technicality for our most permissive notability standard. SportingFlyer T· C 07:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I am suggesting a place which fails WP:GNG and isn't recognised by New Zealand's official gazetteer nor by the regional authorities map tool doesn't qualify for an article. WP:NPLACE explicitly excludes census tracts and if stats nz areas were considered notable we'd have even more stubs with nothing more than demographic information and an infobox. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    First, it doesn't fail WP:GNG. Second, you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted, when it's clearly a place name which has some sort of legal recognition - the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park, not Flat Bush. SportingFlyer T· C 07:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Show me a source with significant coverage of it.
    >you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted
    It doesn't - it's just one way of being legally recognised.
    >the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park
    New Zealand Post doesn't define suburb names or boundaries so referring to them is pointless. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, recognised by Statistics New Zealand and the New Zealand Post Office, has Clover Park Community House, has a population of almost 10,000 people. It doesn't make sense to me to lump it in with Flat Bush, which already has a population of 45,000 people. As stated above, relevant news articles are given as occurring in Clover Park. Like most places in New Zealand, Auckland does not have official suburbs, but it does have wards and local boards, so the suggestion of a merge would be more appropriate to Ōtara-Papatoetoe Local Board or Manukau ward, except no one would ever list those as part of their address. The larger body in human terms would be South Auckland.- Gadfium ( talk) 01:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Statistical/census areas are not considered for NPLACE due to issues with them. 'Auckland University' is a statistical area for example, but it obviously isn't a suburb/locality. Other areas listed by them include: Botany Junction, Redcastle, Armoy, Middlefield, Savonna, and Baverstock. None of these have articles because they're non-notable areas that aren't gazetted.
    Suburbs in Auckland have official recognition via the gazetter or on Auckland Council's geomaps (which is where the Council refers you to for road boundaries and whatnot) Traumnovelle ( talk) 02:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Not that it necessarily matters, but none of those areas you listed are considered suburbs by either Openstreetmap or Google Maps, which even displays a distinct suburb boundary for Clover Park when you type it in. SportingFlyer T· C 07:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    It doesn't matter because those sites use user generated submissions which cannot be used to establish notability. Please read through WP:NPLACE. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm very familiar with NPLACE, I started that sentence with "not that it necessarily matters." I just wanted to note you threw out a number of false equivalencies. SportingFlyer T· C 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Because this place has an article which could potentially lead to why user generated sources may have it listed? Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    It wouldn't work that way - a definitional polygon on Google Maps would not be created because of a spurious Wikipedia article, especially in a country where they wouldn't need to use user generated data to be accurate. But again, we're veering away from AfD relevancy... SportingFlyer T· C 07:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, this seems to me to exceed WP:NPLACE as a search turned up a bunch of mentions, including a direct mention in the media by a PM. David Palmer// cloventt ( talk) 07:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Which one of those do you find to be non-trivial coverage? Traumnovelle ( talk) 08:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Meets WP:NPLACE. Non-trivial coverage here for example: [39]. Paora ( talk) 11:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    That is literally what trivial coverage is, coverage where something is mentioned but not explained or any detail is given about it: 'addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content' Traumnovelle ( talk) 20:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep as per comments above... recognized by Statistics New Zealand and meets WP:NPLACE. Alexeyevitch( talk) 21:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
> Census tracts ... are not presumed to be notable
Census locations cannot provide notability, terrible precedent to assume they do and you'd have to apply the same logic to dozens of non-notable housing developments and areas no one has heard of. If it is actually notable then why is it not recognised by the Council or the Gazetteer? Traumnovelle ( talk) 21:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Please stop WP:BLUDGEONing. SportingFlyer T· C 02:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Kanati Clothing Company

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Likely fails Wikipedia:ORGSIG Lord serious pig 21:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Jake Wartenberg ( talk) 13:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

EconomyBookings

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Previously deleted for WP:G11, and not much has changed since then. Every citation is either a press release or doesn't have SigCov. BrigadierG ( talk) 23:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 21:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Zambia Institute of Chartered Accountants

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I found no significant coverage per WP:CORP. SL93 ( talk) 23:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sekolah Kebangsaan Bukit Tinggi, Kedah

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Semi-advertorialized article about a primary school, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for schools. As always, schools (especially at the primary level) are not "inherently" notable just for existing, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage about them in media or books -- but this is "referenced" entirely to the school's own self-published website about itself, which is not support for notability, and is written in a tone that resembles the school writing about itself ("in the center, you'll find an open book and a scroll, representing the thirst for knowledge and the quest to uncover it") rather than objective third-party analysis. Bearcat ( talk) 15:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to meet the criteria for WP:NMUSIC or WP:SIGCOV. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Ali Khamenei. Merger with additional or alternative targets can be discussed editorially. After discarding clearly canvassed votes and ones not based on P&G, there is a rough consensus to keep the content, but not as a standalone article. Concerns about the merged article size are valid, but are secondary to notability issues. Owen× ☎ 11:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ayatollah Khamenei's letter to students at U.S. universities

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Does not need to be a separate article and not notable. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep, but article requires significant improvement.
Coverage that is at least potentially RS (not necessarily complete) which is not currently included in the article:
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Keep. Such interactions by the head of state of a theocracy to a significant section of Western society is quite rare. As a comment it would be nice to have this in Wikisource if applicable. Borgenland ( talk) 17:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Hence my proposal to merge about one sentence. The fact that an article is long is not a reason to disconnect it from the present. gidonb ( talk) 00:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
But the article proposed for deletion is 521 words currently. It makes no sense to bloat an article that (per WP:SIZERULE) must already have WP:SPINOUT articles. VR (Please ping on reply) 23:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. gidonb ( talk) 00:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I only cite above to indicate that there is expectation that this article too should have enduring notability VR (Please ping on reply) 23:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete or Merge. WP:NOTNEWS and also WP:NOPAGE. this article only makes sense of broader contexts and is better covered in the responses section of 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses or in Ali Khamenei User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 17:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Then you may need to observe some of the recent sources [5]. -- Mhhossein talk 06:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge with To the Youth in Europe and North America and To the Youth in Western Countries, Khamenei's previous "open letters". Other than the summary of the article, little is said beyond that it sparked mixed reactions on social media, a phrase which applies to almost everything. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge to relevant articles, far too soon to have an article. Traumnovelle ( talk) 00:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Given the dozens of reliable sources covering it during a wide time span, too soon or merge does not seem applicable here since the subject passes GNG. -- Mhhossein talk 04:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yet another source covering the topic, attesting the enduring notability. The work is published on 13 June 2024. -- Mhhossein talk 07:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Non-notable wrestler with no sources in the article Niafied ( talk) 07:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Current sources in the article don't pass WP:GNG and I couldn't find sources through a WP:BEFORE which discussed him in-depth. Suonii180 ( talk) 17:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. The rough consensus is that the sources don't support a claim of notability according to Wikipedia's guideline for actors. Liz Read! Talk! 21:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Griffin Burns

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WP:BLP of a voice actor and singer, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for actors or singers. As always, neither actors nor singers are automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party reliable source coverage about them and their work -- but this is very heavily reference bombed to primary sources that are not support for notability (songs sourced to Spotify or YouTube or their own lyrics on Genius, acting credits sourced to IMDb, YouTube "interviews" where he's talking about himself, Facebook posts, etc.), with virtually no evidence of GNG-worthy reliable source coverage about him shown at all.
This is different enough in form from the prior versions that I wouldn't feel comfortable speedying it as a recreation of deleted content without a new discussion, but it hasn't built any stronger case for the subject passing any notability criteria than the prior versions did. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced better than this. Bearcat ( talk) 17:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

sorry for the late response, been busy. i believe that Griffin's article does fall under notability due to him being cast in multiple significant roles in noteworthy projects (tartaglia in genshin, nate adams from yokai watch, Mule from berserk). Minmarion ( talk) 03:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The notability test for an actor is not "has been in stuff"; having acting roles is literally an actor's job description, meaning that by definition every actor who exists at all has had acting roles and wouldn't be an actor at all if they hadn't, so quite literally every actor who exists at all would be "inherently" notable if simply listing acting roles were all it took.
The notability test for an actor requires reliable source coverage about him and his performances in real media, demonstrating that his performances have been independently verified as significant ones by somebody other than his own public relations agent. Bearcat ( talk) 13:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep WP:NOTABILITY is quite clear, an article must pass either the general notability guidelines, or a subject specific guideline. WP:ENTERTAINER states "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Voice actors, and others on the list there as entertainers, are notable for their work, not what others say about it. You can see how many episodes the characters he voices are in for each series listed, so these are significant roles, not a one time minor character. Dream Focus 23:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That's not how notability per NACTOR works. Like I said above, every actor can list roles, so every actor would automatically be "inherently" notable if simply listing roles were all it took — so notability as an actor doesn't vest in simply listing roles, and does require evidence of reliable source about him and his performances. Reliable sources have to tell us whether any given role is "significant" enough to count toward NACTOR #1 in the first place, which they do by writing third-party coverage about it. Bearcat ( talk) 20:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Not all actors have notable roles. If you had reliable sources, it'd pass the general notability guidelines, and so the subject specific guidelines would have no reason to exist. More than one way to determine notability, this how it was setup from the beginning. Dream Focus 03:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Okay here's the deal let's not be deletion of Griffin Burns i mean he did not get any wrong article you suppose to fix the wikipedia of Griffin Burns without copying and risk of deletion article, this guys is best voice actor he appeared many TV shows and anime and video games i remember watching his voice appearing from Netflix Griffin Burns is a Top of Voice Actor genre, So I repeat Restart the Article without copying other people on wikipedia and without risk of deletion. Top-Gman3304 ( talk) 14:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete and WP:SALT for a least a year due to almost no sources that can establish notability. Biography section could be made one sentence due to the weakness of the sources. Most of the article is sources that would not pass a reliability test. I've tried to look at this from other angles, but there's nothing here to get this article to the next level or be kept. Esw01407 ( talk) 19:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I looked at these source and it's IMDB and IMDB-like sites, blogs, podcasts, some of them don't even mention him. One is the results of high school cross country races. A great deal of effort was made to make this feel like a Wikipedia article but idk... I've done archival research, I could drum up dozens of references that mention the name of hilariously non-notable people and format them in Wikipedia citation templates if I had an afternoon to kill. None of these sources seem to be independent, non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. -- Here2rewrite ( talk) 16:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Cardus without prejudice against a selective merge. Owen× ☎ 12:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Cardus Education Survey Canada

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Came across the article on the Christian think tank Cardus today, which appears to be the result of WP:UPE. I stubified that rather than nominate it for deletion because it looks like there's enough out there for WP:ORG. But that led me to this, a long article on one of Cardus's reports, again with no good independent sourcing at all (but a whole lot of text). Wouldn't be surprised if this were UPE too. In any event, if there's a little bit of coverage it can be summarized in the main article. WP:GNG fail here. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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John Contreras

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I found mentions of the subject in reliable sources, but I didn't find significant coverage. The single reference in the article only verifies that Contreras worked with Current 93 and Baby Dee. toweli ( talk) 17:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Bodhendra Saraswati II. Liz Read! Talk! 21:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Samadhi of Bodhendra Saraswathi

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The tomb lacks wide coverage in RS. Most of the text is covered in Bodhendra Saraswathi, whose tomb the subject is. The article has little information on the architecture of the tomb, but rather concentrates more on Bodhendra and his death Redtigerxyz Talk 15:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to The Open Source Definition. Not 100% sure I got this one right but if I didn't, I'm sure someone will tell me or take this to DRV. Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Debian Free Software Guidelines

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Non-notable precursor of The Open Source Definition. I was barely able to scrape up enough independent analysis to create a viable article about the OSD and the related Open Definition. There is much less available on the Debian definition.

The last AfD was in 2007 and notability was not considered.

Furthermore, I cannot support this article's existence per WP:NOPAGE because the Debian definition, slightly modified, was adopted as the OSD and the texts are very similar [6] [7]. ( t · c) buidhe 22:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

A Google Books search seems to produce a couple hundred mentions. Are these all cursory? -- Joy ( talk) 07:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Pretty much all I found was quotes of the definition and mentions—no significant coverage differentiating it from the OSD. ( t · c) buidhe 07:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
OK, let's give people some time then to try to find better coverage. If it can't be found, and if the mass of primary and cursory references isn't deemed worthy of a standalone article, then there's the matter of where to redirect - Debian Social Contract or even a section inside Debian may also be good destinations. -- Joy ( talk) 10:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete or redirect: I found some brief mentions in books, but nothing more. Any extensive discussion of the guidelines I could find was authored by people who are intimately involved with the open-source community, bringing their independence into question. My examination wasn't exhaustive, but my search has turned up the same result as the nominator's. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 19:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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I'd merge to The Open Source Definition or buidhe's draft. Aaron Liu ( talk) 11:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Liz The only candidates I see are the OSD and Buidhe's draft of it. That says, @ Buidhe would you kindly link us to your draft? I can't find it. Aaron Liu ( talk) 20:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That's because it was incorporated as the main space article on 18 May. ( t · c) buidhe 01:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Buidhe I'm talking about the draft for the OSD, not the draft of the Open Definition, unless you would see it fit to merge to the latter article. Aaron Liu ( talk) 02:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It's located at The Open Source Definition, see the diff from May 18 ( t · c) buidhe 03:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Ah, thanks. So there's only one sane target article.
@ HyperAccelerated I assume you also agree to merging to OSD? Aaron Liu ( talk) 22:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
OSD is fine with me. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 15:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. After discarding blocked and sock accounts, and anon IPs relying on irrelevant arguments, we're left with a clear consensus to delete. Owen× ☎ 21:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Abhirup Dhar

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Non of the sources besides https://www.firstpost.com/art-and-culture/abhirup-dhar-probes-the-paranormal-in-new-book-ghost-hunter-gaurav-tiwari-9969841.html show notability. We need atleast 3 such sources to justify inclusion. Sohom ( talk) 22:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep:Books published by this author are in premium news portals. It has a number of news references too, content is not promotional and also not too lengthy. I find this author as the notable profile and thus it is applicable for Wikipedia. ~~
  • Comment. - The two IP address here seemingly and almost certainly belong to the same individual, who, i) doesn't seem to be aware how to sign, and ii) is suspiciously keen to keep the article, which is evident by their language and choice of words. The grammar also gives it away. In my view, they may be the author themself, the author's relative, or some close associate. Either way, unreliable commenter. Oh, just noticed that the aforementioned user might be Stlodsid. The linguistic style adds up. User has recently been blocked indefinitely, so is perhaps adding comments without logging in. 2409:4060:317:601:0:0:134A:78A4 ( talk) 00:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Communion of Western Orthodox Churches

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The only independent source given, Thöle, only mentions the CWOC in passing. I can't find any source that actually covers their activities. There's no evidence that this communion is more than a loose agreement of three small like-minded denominations. Leefeni aures audiendi audiat 21:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete While autocephalic churches in communion with a significant church are almost always notable national branches of a church located outside that church's home country, this does not appear to be the situation for the "communion" among the three churches that are the subject of this article. [11] I would consider changing my vote if independent sources were found or the significant concepts and French sources were explained and verified. Ben Azura ( talk) 12:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Found one academic source that provides WP:SIGCOV, but not any other qualifying sources toward WP:GNG or WP:NORG. If anyone finds another one, ping me and I'll update my !vote. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 02:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Meridian Gaming

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Previously deleted and salted as Meridian Gaming Ltd/ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meridian Gaming Ltd * Pppery * it has begun... 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Extended commentary on WP:ORGCRIT and why an article might need to be deleted
In most cases, the reason an article would be deleted because the sources used don't meet one of the four criteria: An article about a company must generally be supported by coverage that is significant, which is defined here as something that addresses the topic of the article directly and in-detail, also excluding coverage that is trivial which includes (but is not limited to) " routine coverage", such as that in the vijesti.me article that is currently ref 2. All of the significant coverage that is used to support the existence of the article (you can add other sources later for specific facts if necessary) must also be independent in two different ways: they must not be controlled by the article subject (functional independence, ref 1) and they must not be content taken from the article subject (intellectual independence, refs 2-5 etc).
This independence is especially important, as the marketing professionals that write these press releases will spin the facts, emphasising certain things, de-emphasising others, and using peacock and weasel words strategically. Even if you try and write the article as neutrally as you can from those sources, you'd end up writing a brochure, and that is a reason to delete the article just by itself. The sources must also, of course, be reliable (third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.) and secondary (contains an author's analysis [...] of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources), but those are less often issues if the sources meet the first two criteria.
My best advice would be to pick your best three sources that you think meets all four of those criteria, copy them here and explain how they tick each of the boxes. If you can find three that clearly meet the criteria, usually an article will be kept. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 11:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, I'm done with my search. There is a truly horrific amount of sponsored articles (ads) and press releases of them tooting their own horn ( WP:SPIP), but no amount of tooting ought to be able to buy a well-intentioned page on Wikipedia that does more of the same tooting. Please up the level of salt and delete again, the current level having proven insufficent. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 12:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
MediaWiki:Titleblacklist would be the logical next level. But I'm not convinced that's warranted after only three recreations years apart. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per Alpha3031's comments and per it having been salted already. Procyon117 ( talk) 08:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per above. I agree with Backij, a lot of other pages on Wikipedia on non-notable companies (and non-companies) exist, this is one of them. Traumnovelle ( talk) 00:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I still contest deletation considering how many pages wikipedia contains about irrelevant companies with poor, dead or wrong references considering non commerical style of this page, considering it summerize true facts. -- Backij ( talk) 08:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Feel free to nominate those for deletion too. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy deleted‎ by Ponyo under criterion G3. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 22:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi-Tech (TV series)

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No references, and I literally can't find anything about this TV series, although the generic name doesn't really help. Very likely fails WP:GNG, although the "TBA" gives hope that it might become notable sometime in the future. Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 22:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

already G3'ed as a hoax, should be fine to close here. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Philmont Leadership Challenge

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WP:GNG, WP:NOTGUIDE WP:ADVERT. This is more of a flyer than encyclopedic article and it's evident by contents like "During 2012, the program fee was $470 if paid before January 2012, or $495 after January 1. This fee includes all meals and lodging, training materials, and a course patch. " Graywalls ( talk) 21:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Roger Blonder

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Unsourced, appears to fail WP:GNG based on a quick Google (web/news/books) search. Regards, HaeB ( talk) 21:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 21:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Salazar Awards

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Semi-advertorialized article about a regional graphic design award, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for events. As always, events are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party media coverage about them -- but this is "referenced" entirely to the organization's own self-published content about itself, with absolutely no evidence of third-party attention shown at all.
It also warrants note that this was a conflict of interest from the start, as the article creator's username of "Gdcbc" corresponds letter-for-letter to the name of the organization that presents this award, the Graphic Designers of Canada, British Columbia.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to pass GNG on its sourceability. Bearcat ( talk) 20:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 21:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Jason Baggott

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Perplex City. Liz Read! Talk! 21:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Perplex City Stories

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There's zero RS talking about this. All sources on article now are primary. Only one I could find was [12] which does not sufficiently establish passing WP:GNG Soni ( talk) 18:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Namibian first-class cricketers. Liz Read! Talk! 21:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Wian van Vuuren

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Krishna Kumar (actor). Liz Read! Talk! 21:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ishaani Krishna

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Doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:GNGACTOR. She has an appearance in a single movie which alone doesn't show notability. I can't find any sources online as well upon WP:BEFORE 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 17:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Maybe not great sources. But not "not any", you probably mean. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes. Redirect to Krishnan Kumar would be the best option. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 09:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Jake Wartenberg ( talk) 13:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

2017 Indian National Congress leadership election

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Stub article with an unopposed election. Not like the 2022 one which was still meaningful. This is why no other cong election pages exist Pharaoh496 ( talk) 17:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of important publications in cryptography

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Inherently original research. Compare WP:Articles for deletion/List of important publications in computer science (2nd nomination). Was previously kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of important publications in networks and security but I think this is worth a reevaluation a decade later. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete such a list can never have a policy-compliant WP:LISTCRIT because "importance" is subjective. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. If the intent is to delete based on the reasons above then there needs to be a broader discussion on lists like this in general. Picking them off one by one is not the way to go. That said, we HAVE criteria to determine if an article is notable and belongs on the list. If there is a reliable independent secondary source that says that it is notable then it should be on the list. Otherwise no. Simple as that. Cryptology is a mature and distinct enough field of study that it absolutely warrants a list like this if lists like this are deemed worthy to exist based on broader discussion. Epachamo ( talk) 14:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't think that one source saying that a publication is noteworthy will always be enough. Plenty of books, papers, etc., get recommended as "further reading" at the end of textbook chapters. That's a degree of recognition, for sure, but it's a long way from "this paper won the authors a Nobel Prize". XOR'easter ( talk) 21:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    > If the intent is to delete based on the reasons above then there needs to be a broader discussion on lists like this in general.
    This /is/ the discussion. If the outcome of this discussion is to delete, it creates precedent that makes the deletion of others more likely. The reverse is also true. Usually what happens if you try to open a broader discussion about deleting a larger set of articles in one go is people also beat that down with cries of WP:TRAINWRECK. It leads to a catch-22 keep vote - if you try to delete one at time, that's not acceptable because other similar articles exist and there needs to be more discussion, and if you try to delete more at a time that's also not acceptable because it's too many articles to evaluate the notability of in one go. BrigadierG ( talk) 10:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment As written, this list is under-sourced synth-cruft based on personal opinion. I'd be inclined to delete it. However, I think we need could maybe have a more broad discussion (an RfC or something of that sort) about whether lists like these are feasible and how to do them correctly. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete OK, I went away, thought about it, read the list again, considered the comments here... and have settled on deletion being the way to go. Taken by itself, the page is just no good: ancient synth-cruft from a bygone age. Workable inclusion criteria have not emerged from the discussion here, so fixing the page (presuming that anyone is even willing to volunteer the time and effort) is not a viable option. A more general discussion about how to do historical bibliographies of technical fields still sounds like it could be useful, but there's no way that this list represents the right method. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: The list fails to have a clear selection criteria following WP:LISTCRIT and is largely personal opinion / WP:SYNTH. The alternative option of "renaming the list without 'important' and using a Wikipedia-notability criterion" doesn't work for this particular list because there is only one entry in the list with its own Wikipedia article. — MarkH21 talk 20:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 17:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Moscow United Methodist Church

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This appears to be a small church with no particular claim to be notable - either because of history or current activity. Suggest delete unless someone can evidence notability Newhaven lad ( talk) 17:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete I found various books discussing the rise of Methodism in Russia but not this church in particular. Don't support redirect as specific location doesn't reflect the movement. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ BrigadierG the church is in Pennsylvania! Look again —  Iadmc ♫ talk  18:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Damn, how'd I miss that? It's like Category:Kiritimati all over again BrigadierG ( talk) 18:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Does your !vote stay though? —  Iadmc ♫ talk  19:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It does - I can't find any coverage of the church. BrigadierG ( talk) 21:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 21:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Interesting Engineering

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Written extremely like an advertisement and has many other problems. Myrealnamm ( 💬pros · ✏️cons) 17:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete good web presence, but the only mentions of it I can find are on places like Reddit. The article trying to WP:INHERIT notability from other news outlets that have cited it is telling. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 21:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Beverley Lyons

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a journalist, not properly referenced as passing notability criteria for journalists. As always, journalists are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to have third-party coverage and analysis about them and the impact of their work in reliable sources other than their own employers -- but the sole reference cited here is from her own employer at the time, and thus isn't independent of her for the purposes of building notability, and the article has been tagged for needing more sourcing since 2010 without improvement.
In addition, the whole thing is written very much like somebody did a thinly veiled rewrite of her own staff profile from an employer rather than a proper encyclopedia.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more than just her own former employer for sourcing. Bearcat ( talk) 16:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply


  • Delete. The article is completely unsourced apart from one statement about her getting an award; that is sourced to a page on the website of the business she was working for at the time, and merely briefly mentions her. It is neither an independent source nor substantial coverage of her. I have searched for better sources but found none; I picked up LinkedIn, Wikipedia, Facebook, X, websites of several newspapers she has worked for, etc, but nothing that came near to being substantial coverage in an independent reliable source. JBW ( talk) 20:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Malinaccier ( talk) 17:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ayyalur Subhan Ali

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WP:BLP of a smalltown local politician, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for local politicians. As always, politicians at the local level of office are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist -- the inclusion test for a local politician hinges on showing a significant depth and volume of reliable source coverage about their work -- specific things they did, specific projects they spearheaded, significant effects their leadership had on the development of the town or city, and on and so forth -- but this is basically just "he is a politician who exists", referenced mainly to primary sources that are not support for notability, while the closest thing to reliable source coverage about him is covering him in the context of undergoing surgery rather than in the context of anything related to making him notable as a politician.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much more and better sourcing than this. Bearcat ( talk) 16:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the redirect's undeletion. Star Mississippi 15:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Anatolia Genetics

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Very poorly written, and too much overlap in the article with Genetic studies on Turkish people (which parts of were apparently copy-pasted here) to warrant a separate article. Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 15:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. given article improvements and consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 00:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Peter Shapiro (journalist)

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Journalist falls short of WP:NBIO and WP:GNG tests; no evidence of WP:SIGCOV of him separate from his own writing and coverage of his books. (His book "Turn the Beat Around" would likely pass WP:NBOOK if an article were created on it, but Shapiro's notability cannot be WP:INHERITED from it.) Dclemens1971 ( talk) 16:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Leaning towards keep on the subject of this article. I disagree with the nominators assessment here - particularly as the applicable guideline is WP:AUTHOR, where independent coverage of the author's work is sufficient to evidence notability; WP:INHERITED does not apply. I have found and added several independent citations to the article, including a number of RS book reviews and RS articles stating the importance of the works of Shapiro. As such I !vote to keep this article per WP:AUTHOR#3: The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Article could really use expansion however. Per WP:NOPAGE I also recommend a single central article on the author and his works, rather than multiple articles on the books themselves. - I recommend Modulations: A History of Electronic Music is redirected to Shapiro if the result of this AfD is to keep. Resonant Distortion 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I appreciate you adding reviews links to the article. I disagree with you on the eligibility for WP:AUTHOR #3. While the author has created a couple of independently notable works, none of the reviews or sources describe the significance of his body of work; they are about individual works. While I agree that Modulations and Turn the Beat Around are notable, I don't think there are any sources to describe them as "significant" nor do any sources discuss them in the context of Shapiro's body of work. Considering that the only available sources are reviews of individual works, the notability should go to the works themselves. Furthermore, the reviews provide virtually no WP:SIGCOV of Shapiro himself, which would leave this article a WP:PERMASTUB without verifiable biographical information. The absence of significant coverage points toward delete. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 14:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    But there is enough coverage to write a non-stub article on Shapiro that is focused on his works. Frankly I find the sourcing on Modulations: A History of Electronic Music to be limited - it struggles to meet notability guidelines and it should be merged and redirected to the parent article Modulations: Cinema for the Ear, as a section in that page. As for WP:AUTHOR#3 - I am struggling to follow the above logic as the guidelines clearly do not require secondary coverage of the works as a body; a single book suffices. In this case we have at minimum one fully notable work and several more works with RS secondary coverage over a WP:SUSTAINED period, and the best place to manage this would be the single article on the author. To support this with an example, His 2005 book, The Rough Guide to Hip-Hop, has reliable sources both recommending it and stating it is important; but this is likely not enough for a standalone article, so the author article is the next best place. (Note - given the age of some of the books - we can very likely presume that offline coverage exists beyond a standard search engine). Resonant Distortion 16:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Here's what I question on criterion 3: is his work "significant and well-known"? I agree the one book meets the standard of "notable," but "significant and well-known" is different, if undefined. I find it difficult to understand how someone's work could be significant and well-known and the author of them remain sufficiently unknown that there are no reliable sources to validate even birth date or country of origin. (Sources disagree about whether Shapiro is American or British.) I'd be OK with a redirect of this page to an article for Turn the Beat Around if one were to be created, but without anything significant coverage I'm defaulting to WP:COMMONSENSE for a situation in which we can't really construct a biography. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 18:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I think we are going to disagree on this one. Given there are a number of reliable sources dedicated to the subjects' other books, but are not sufficiently SIGCOV in and of themselves to create several separate articles for each, the best option (per my version of WP:COMMONSENSE!) would be the other way round: Turn the Beat Around: The Secret History of Disco should redirect to Peter Shapiro (journalist) so we have a single page for all his works. Resonant Distortion 02:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - With the addition of new sources, I don't see any particular concern with notability. Shankargb ( talk) 02:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. To elucidate why I think the (many) book reviews of Shapiro's work don't constitute WP:SIGCOV of Shapiro himself, here's what the sigcov policy states: "We require 'significant coverage' in reliable sources so that we can actually write a whole article, rather than half a paragraph or a definition of that topic. If only a few sentences could be written and supported by sources about the subject, that subject does not qualify for a separate page, but should instead be merged into an article about a larger topic or relevant list." Right now, the article as it stands is just a few sentences, hardly any about Shapiro himself and about his work, and the sourcing doesn't really permit anything further to be written. As noted above, we don't even have the most basic information about his life. Thus my argument that the books are notable but that the author is not. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 00:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete as I find no coverage for this individual, sources I'd identified are for a different person. Oaktree b ( talk) 12:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Oaktree b - in the article are cited 14 secondary refs covering the books written by the subject of this article. This includes seven full page reviews of one of his works, multiple other reviews of his other works and further WP:RS stating the importance and recommending these other works. I personally do not see how WP:NAUTHOR is not met, and there's easily enough coverage to, at minimum, build a start class article based upon the works this individual has created (it took me about 5 minutes to expand the article by ~400%). Resonant Distortion 06:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Owen× ☎ 12:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Amber K

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Article is a BLP of a non-notable author, references are self-published sources inc Facebook. No particular claim of notability, says she's exec director of some company but that's not immediately verifiable from their home page. She taught some courses at some organisations, that seems to be about it. -- D'n'B- t -- 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Doesn't pass AUTHOR, I can't find book reviews. I don't see anything other than books for sale on the usual platforms. Nothing for biographical notability as I can't find articles about this individual either. Oaktree b ( talk) 18:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
* Keep: The page is in need of expansion and updating, not deletion. Amber K has writing books since the 1980s, the selection listed on the page is incomplete, as a cursory search for "Almber K bibliography" will indicate. Reviews of her books are likewise easily found on reviews sites, such as Goodreads, and her publisher's official sites as well. Ardantane, her "some company", is an independent, registered 501c3 non-profit corporation established in 1996 in the state of New Mexico and is one of the few Nationally recognized Pagan Schools in the United States. She is also a former First Officer (President) of Covenant of the Goddess (COG), an international organization of Wicca and Witchraft covens and practitioners, whih was founded in 1975. Amber K is also the originator of COG's Youth Service Award "The Hart and Crescent", which was originally designed for those in Scouting, may be earned by youth who are not Scouts as well.
When I have time, I will work on improving the article, provided that it is kept.
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I did notice the Goodreads reviews but I don't belive user generated content counts towards notability any more than the period of time over which books were written or the particular tax registration of a given organisation. -- D'n'B- t -- 10:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
User-generated content can't be used for notability; that's part of the issue, can't seem to find any critical reviews in sites that aren't blogs or user-generated sites Oaktree b ( talk) 20:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep somewhat reluctantly, I think there's a case similar to the reasoning behind WP:NARTIST and WP:NMUSICIAN. There's precedent for keeping articles on figures who have been influential within a notable subculture, even if they are not known beyond that subculture. It seems to me that on grounds of WP:SUSTAINED, the volume of work published, and reliable sources describing her as something resembling an authority figure on new age Modern paganism in the United States, she probably edges over into notability. The existing article that's written should probably be tagged for FANPOV. BrigadierG ( talk) 16:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte ( talk) 18:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Carl Balita

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Doesn't appear to be notable independently of his senate run, for which Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill#Political candidates would apply, with the sources given being candidate databases and interviews. Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 14:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Elli ( talk | contribs) 14:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ibrat Saeed Qureshi

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Fails WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. There's nothing from WP:BEFORE to establish notability either. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete failed candidacy misses WP:NPOL BrigadierG ( talk) 16:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Golmaal (film series). Discussion about redirecting to another target can continue on the target's Talk page. Owen× ☎ 13:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Golmaal Jr.

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Fails WP:GNG. M S Hassan ( talk) 13:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep - Golmaal Jr has enough sources for it to be an article, the series seems popular in general. TheNuggeteer ( talk) 07:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 14:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Jono Jumamoy

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The article does not pass WP:POLITICIAN or WP:GNG TheNuggeteer ( talk) 13:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 13:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Judith Cajes

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The article does not pass WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG TheNuggeteer ( talk) 13:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete the only sources I can find are related to her slapping someone and COVID lockdowns, which aren't good enough for WP:GNG. Mayor doesn't pass WP:POLITICIAN. Generally a very minor politician with no major record to speak of. Possible redirect to Roberto Cajes, her husband —  Iadmc ♫ talk  13:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I dont think the redirect is possible, the redirect does not contain even a sentence of Judith Cajes. TheNuggeteer ( talk) 13:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Good point further showing how minor she is—  Iadmc ♫ talk  14:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

NGC 6789

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep, because the article needs to be expanded. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy/procedural keep - this relates to longstanding conflict/disruption related to the history/legacy of the famous Romanian football team 'Steaua București', with two clubs ( FCSB and CSA Steaua București) both claiming the heritage. AFD is totally the wrong venue to deal with any perceived issues related to this, FSCB is clearly notable.‎. Giant Snowman 12:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

FCSB

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The information presented here is mostly false. The date the club was founded is wrong, the records are wrong, the history is wrong, former players are wrong, about 80% of the entire article is wrong.

If you go to the club's own website, you find nothing about the information presented here. It says here that Fcsb has 27 domestic titles. When its chairman of the board was asked if this is true, he denied it. https://as.ro/fotbal/liga-1/mihai-stoica-explicatie-total-neasteptata-motivul-pentru-care-numarul-27-va-fi-trecut-pe-tricourile-campioanei-fcsb-398416.html So why keep this article? It makes no sense. Just because there is some wrong information posted on some website? That is the same as fake news. Does Wikipedia support fake news now? TPTB ( talk) 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment AfD is not for debating the content. It is to establish WP:notabilty and appropriate WP inclusion/exclusion. Please feel free to correct the info with WP:reliable sources or reframe the AfD proposal. If the sources are geniune and reliable, btw we might need a conversation about how to use them.

Comment: this is an invalid and arguably malicious nomination. As can be seen on the talk pages of this article and various others on related entities, there is a long-running legal dispute. The nom is likely to be proved correct that FCSB will be disassociated from most if not all of the historic achievements of the Steaua Bucharest club in due course, but AFAIK this is not definitive at present in terms of reliable sources stating exactly what can be allocated to whom. Regardless, the FCSB entity is an extant sports club (and won the Romanian championship this season just gone) so is unequivocally a valid topic for an article, and would be still valid as a topic as a means of clarification on the events of the past years even if it were dissolved altogether tomorrow. The nom has seemingly lost their patience in this matter and now simply wants to have all the information deleted rather than have contentious information removed by the proper means and processes. Crowsus ( talk) 16:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 13:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of postal codes in Iraq

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WP:NOTDIRECTORY BrigadierG ( talk) 12:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Assam cricketers#B. Liz Read! Talk! 23:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Manoj Bhagawati

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No more information available on this topic, The article did not edit from much time. And no importance of this article.... Many regions to delete it. Manoj Bhagawati is/was not famous cricketer. Paigaonwasii. — Preceding undated comment added 08:43, 30 May 2024‎ (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters#King Grayskull. Hey man im josh ( talk) 12:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

King Grayskull

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No evidence that this is notable per BEFORE. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 11:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to List of Gargoyles characters#Demona. Owen× ☎ 13:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Demona

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The only sigcov source here [15] and a bit useful IGN source [16] still doesn't pass WP:GNG with the demonstrated sources. The best thing is to merge it into a list of characters. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 11:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete and Section Move. I find it strange that this character ends up having her own page in this website, so I agree that the majority of the information in Demona's separate article should be merged in the list of Gargoyle characters. Anonymy365248 ( talk) 18:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep She's a decades-old character who is still popular today and has appeared in different forms of media including games and comics. -- DrBat ( talk) 21:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:ITSPOPULAR 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 23:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
"But without a single reliable source to verify its existence or accuracy, there is no way it can be included" doesn't apply here. DrBat ( talk) 01:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
At this point, I'm not sure what I'm gonna respond to you. Show me more sources like Mary Sue that really doscuss the character in detail for it to prove that she's really notable. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 01:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
There's this article, this interview, and this video. -- DrBat ( talk) 02:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I already brought up the IGN source. Demona is just a passing mention from the AV club source + that youtube source is unreliable. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 03:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The av club one has a whole section of the interview about the character, it's hardly a passing mention. -- DrBat ( talk) 04:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Oops I missed this sorry, but we don't usually call this WP:SIGCOV as a source somehow since Demona wasn't discussed as a character but as an interview to voice her in a short detail. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 04:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pisces B

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies and also has similarities with the article about Pisces A, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pisces A

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The nominator seems to be proposing to merge each of these into the Local Void article. SevenSpheres ( talk) 22:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Strong Delete: Some users kept saying "keep" but none of them want to expand the page. So, why not just have it deleted, since it's pointless to keep an article that's a stub but not find any sources to expand it. Anonymy365248 ( talk) 07:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

NGC 7077

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

NGC 6503

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There's already information about the void galaxy on the article about the local void in the section that contains the list of void galaxies, so I prefer its information in the Local void article or the Void galaxy article, if you want the information of this article to be move there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymy365248 ( talk • contribs) 11:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep because it is notable. hamster717 ( discuss anything!🐹✈️ * my contribs🌌) 11:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Strong Delete: I don't think so, because no one has even tried to expand the article. Anonymy365248 ( talk) 07:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pull (philately)

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Would be better suited for a definition on wikitionary, I think. Heyallkatehere ( talk) 10:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Note: There is no argument for deletion being made and this could have been procedurally closed. At this stage, that would be a super vote, so NC it is. Links being dead, an unproven allegation of it being "stolen from a draft" are arguments for history merge and clean up. Year-old AfC comments are not binding, and no argument has been made for why this can't be cleaned up in mainspace Star Mississippi 15:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Carl Schleicher

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There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus. 48JCL ( talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way. 48JCL ( talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas ( talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable" 48JCL TALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of WP:WAX. Look at Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable. 48JCL TALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I generally ignore Wikipedia essays and only follow the policies and guidelines, so I do not accept the premises behind WP:WAX. I agree with you that an article existing in just one other language does not make it notable; however, I get a feeling that this article about Carl Schleicher would exist without any issues in *every other language* except in English. Maybe the original creator of the draft had a poor first draft which attracted (now undue) attention? Ethanbas ( talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ 48JCL, why do you think he is non-notable? FortunateSons ( talk) 11:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again? 48JCL TALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ FortunateSons 48JCL TALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ 48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is? FortunateSons ( talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics? Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Where are his works on display? Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons ( talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do. 48JCL TALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, the article is less than great, agreed so far. However, being in significant need of improvement is not a deletion criteria.
The dead BBC links are a problem, and I couldn’t find an archived one, so this probably does not meet notability criteria now. FortunateSons ( talk) 06:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Unless we have better sourcing, I don't think the article is ready for mainspace... I mean, he exists, but finding any sort of critical mention of the fellow is difficult. [17] is but a brief mention in a caption, this won't open from my location [18], this talks about his daughter [19]. Sourcing now in the article is basic auction listings and links to images of his paintings, nothing about the individual himself. Having articles in other wiki versions does nothing for notability (and frankly they would likely be deleted as well for lack of sourcing). Oaktree b ( talk) 14:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: He does have a Getty ULAN listing, which is helpful. [20], he appears in one German-language volume and what appears to be a database. I'm still not sure these are enough for our notability standards. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: The artist might not be ready for an article here, but the one painting showing the rabbis sitting and discussing at the table might have enough for an article; this from the Wikipedia Library [21], Oaktree b ( talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge‎ to Dynamical mean-field theory. Owen× ☎ 13:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Typical medium dynamical cluster approximation

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Page probably created by students in the group of the originator of the algorithm. All relevant refs to the method are from one group, there are no secondary sources. It should be trimmed down to a paragraph or two and merged into Dynamical mean-field theory since it is a variant of that very well established and used approach. We should not have separate articles on every minor DFT variant IMO. Ldm1954 ( talk) 08:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Merge & Redirect per nom. Likely COI issue. Barnards.tar.gz ( talk) 08:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Ldm1954: The TMDCA is a well established method that warrants a page of it's own. It introduces both spatial correlations and order parameter that is currently not available in any mean-field theory, including the dynamical mean field theory. It is just as saying that the page for the
    Coherent Potential Approximation and dynamical mean-field theory should be merged. Both these two approximations are exactly the same at the thermodynamical limit, but focused on different aspects of the physics. I respectfully disagree with the notion of merging them and do not support it. SrihariKastuar ( talk) 15:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC) — SrihariKastuar ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
@ Ldm1954: Both the DMFT and TMDCA are robust approximations that address some of the most challenging problems in condensed matter physics, and they truly merit recognition. Regarding the citations, they're not limited to just one group. In fact, there are seven additional citations from various other groups. As you might be aware, it's common for the initial citations of a method in physics and in science in general to have the imprint of the developer, much like what you see with the DMFT citation, for example, where 95% of the current citations on its page are from the original group. CEE ( talk) 15:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Ldm1954: just to add every human being, including yourself has some level of COI. While I have never used the TMDCA before, I am a science enthusiast who appreciates the hard work and dedication of people to solving scientific problems. Please, let's move past this to focus on other things. SrihariKastuar ( talk) 15:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That's not what COI means here. XOR'easter ( talk) 02:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: As both the nominator and one of the grey-haired solid-state academics who have reviewed this, let me add some context to try and explain a bit more about why I nominated this. My apologies in advance for jargonese and being a bit technical.
Hopefully nobody will try and claim comparable notability to any of the above for this approach. It merits mention, but merged into one of the existing large branches of ab-initio methods not as a separate page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldm1954 ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and Redirect. This is way too niche for a standalone article, it merited a single sentence in the RMP review. The only reason there exists an extensive article about it here is COI, as indicated by the WP:SPA army. Tercer ( talk) 14:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Tercer ( talk) I respectfully disagree with your perspective. It seems we may be encountering a situation of selective emphasis. As indicated by the title, the focus was intended to cover various approaches, not just one. There are numerous review articles on this topic, and the one you've referenced is only one among many. For instance, consider this dedicated article, which might offer a more comprehensive view on the approach: https://journals.aps.org/rmp/abstract/10.1103/RevModPhys.77.1027. gmp001 ( talk) 17:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm mystified about how a review from 2005 could possibly be relevant for a technique invented in 2014. Tercer ( talk) 19:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and Redirect. After the discussion here and doing a literature search on my own, I agree with the comment just above. At present, the sourcing just doesn't support having a dedicated article. The state of the field would be better represented by a broader article that discusses the various techniques that have been developed, giving some time to each and making it easier to compare and contrast them, rather than delving into the details almost to the point of writing pseudocode. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. I do not know if Gmp007 is the article subject or a student or colleague but the consensus among experienced editors is that it is TOOSOON and this article right now should be deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 03:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Chinedu Ekuma

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Assistant professor with an h-factor of 22 and no notable awards and no notable mentions. Novice editor (his first article) ignored AfC declination and moved to main space, twice deleting COI tags. On new page patrol both notability and COI were tagged and draftified; novice editor removed tags and a moved back to main space. Hence AfD. Ldm1954 ( talk) 07:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pro forma, pinging @ Whpq and @ Liance who previously tagged/reviewed versions. Ldm1954 ( talk) 07:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete. I know nothing about Chinedu Ekuma beyond what is in the article, and that does not add up to notability. For a young scientist his career is respectable, but that's not enough. He may become notable in the future, but he's not there yet. Athel cb ( talk) 10:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Opinions are all over the map here. Editors interested in a Merge can pursue that option outside of this AFD. Liz Read! Talk! 06:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

NASCAR on television in the 1980s

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of announcments, centrally those about the seasons, WP:PRIMARY, mostly dead and redirected pages, TV schedules, those centrally about the season with the broadcasting being merely mentions and most of those being YouTube posts; none of these helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 18:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - The only difference between this discussion and the discussions for the other decades prior to May 29 (when the others were closed and this was relisted) was the extra delete !vote by Ajf773. Was there a particular reason for only !voting here? I do agree with others above that it would be odd for this decade to be the only one not be allowed to stand alone. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  00:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ GhostOfDanGurney: While I do, obviously, have issue (as I mentioned above) with the idea that one decade's article gets deleted while the rest did not, it doesn't matters why they voted on one and not the rest, that's entirely acceptable to do. We have no reason to question them on it. Hey man im josh ( talk) 11:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Hey man im josh: My aim with the comment was to try to determine if it was worth seeing if just renominating the whole bundle of decades as a batch (without the other articles that were included the first time) was a good option. I should have been more clear with that and I apologize for coming across as trying to call them out here. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge with NASCAR on television and radio: per the nom. I'm just not finding the sources covering the broadcasts from this decade as a group, and as such, this fails to meet the WP:NLIST and WP:GNG. Merge as a WP:ATD, along with the rest of the articles from this 'series'. Let'srun ( talk) 01:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle ( talk) 09:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

UHO MZF F.C.

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Coverage and sourcing is just They exist" and champions of two cups of some type. North8000 ( talk) 23:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • That sounds like saying that it can't meet the actual GNG (and so IMO is not wp:notable) and so we need a different GNG to make sure that non-notable lower division football teams get in. North8000 ( talk) 21:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm not happy at the way you've completely mis-represented my keep !vote. The article easily passes GNG. SportingFlyer T· C 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ SportingFlyer: I posted in a way that highlighted what I felt to be issues with your argument. In hindsight, viewing it from another angle, such is a "spun negative" description of your post. I did not intend to do something like that. Please accept my apologies for that. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 00:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That's not true. These are not match reports, but rather articles about how the team won the championship, failed in the round of 16, et cetera, and football club notability is not based on whether they're important regionally, internationally, et cetera. They are also covered on an ongoing basis by the newspaper in their local area including sources not currently linked in the article, such as [23]: this is about the competition but the club is clearly the subject of the article. SportingFlyer T· C 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That is a routine coverage. According to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of reference in the article provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf ( talk) 02:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle ( talk) 09:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Western Pennsylvania Professional Football Circuit

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WP:OR / WP:MADEUP coinage. I find no evidence of the term "Western Pennsylvania Professional Football Circuit" existing prior to this article's creation in 2012; every source that has used it has come afterward. Even in post-2012 material I see no WP:SIGCOV in sources that clearly qualify as WP:RS. The "circuit" is not mentioned in any of the article's references except for RetroSeasons (which postdates the WP article by several years and on one of its pages copies almost verbatim from it). One might agree or disagree that the early independent teams of western PA loosely constituted a "circuit", but it's not for Wikipedia to make up a capitalized name for it and treat it as an established concept. This isn't a case like the Ohio League, which, while not a league in any strict or formal sense, is attested in its own time and by historians. T. Cadwallader Phloog ( talk) 23:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. The nomination appears to be flawed as the nominator is taking issue with the title of the page, rather than the content. This is a WP:SURMOUNTABLE problem. Article can be moved to a more appropriate title if desired. The content of the article satisfies GNG, so the article should be kept at this or another title. Frank Anchor 14:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Well, the content, too, treats the "circuit" as a real (albeit loosely defined) thing that "operated from 1890 to approximately 1940", had its own championships, and lived on as the W. Pa. Senior Indep. Football Conference -- all apparently OR claims. The article could perhaps be rewritten as an article about a related but somewhat different subject -- the early history of professional football in Western Pennsylvania -- and be titled accordingly, but the content as it stands now relates to an OR concept. T. Cadwallader Phloog ( talk) 17:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle ( talk) 09:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Swofford, Washington

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Meany's (source 3) [24] definition of places is less stringent than Wikipedia's definition, which is legally recognized places. Meany wrote that Swofford (the man) set up a post office in the Swofford valley and later moved it to Mossy Rock. Places don't move, but post offices do (sometimes in shoe boxes). Washington State place names published in 1971 [25] Doesn't list swofford as a place. A rather unreliable source [26], but commonly referenced nonetheless lists this place, but all of the reliable sources used for their mention call it "Swofford Valley". Reading newspapers from the area reveals that the post office served the Swofford valley, and the people who lived in the valley used it's name to define where they lived. The Centralia Daily Chronicle in 1976 (July 1, 1976 Page 31 [27]) explains that the valley had a rural farming community with a post office and a drug store. The reality is that these were probably not separate buildings, and it would not be all that unusual for this to actually be Swofford's residence as well. It is not a legally recognized place. Furthermore it's full name is "Swofford Valley". The confusion arises because post offices in the 1800's could only have one word names. If it is not deleted here I want want it moved to Swofford Valley, Washington. James.folsom ( talk) 22:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete I must have missed this one when I was trying to clear Washington of non-existent place articles. Nom sums it up pretty well, a onetime rural post office named for the person who said "hey, my neighbors and I need a post office" isn't a community, and saying it "is" a community is plainly false as there is clearly nothing there: [28]. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 02:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep A couple books from 1922 and 1923 describe it as a town, and Swofford cemetery is nearby, though it's described as now being in Mossyrock. I've also seen conflicting contemporary reports that say it's just a post office from a smallpox outbreak around the turn of the century, and that people were listed as being from Swofford in cattle and education reports in 1920 and 1923. There's some conjecture in the nom, and I think we can say there was a small community there at one point, even if it's clearly not referred to as Swofford any more. SportingFlyer T· C 19:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    The only place that was called swofford was the post office, in was in Swoffard Valley, but the postal service only used single words to name them at that time. The area was always known Swofford valley. Any newspapers that reported local news from "Swofford" did so because that was the post mark on the letter. The newspaper got that news by mail from who ever in the valley wrote in to report it. James.folsom ( talk) 21:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Forgot to mention could you please source the claims in your argument. James.folsom ( talk) 21:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and strongly so. I asked on the Talk:Swofford, Washington page to pause any slotting of the article into AfD as I have sources (and still collecting more) to rewrite and expand the article to provide proof of a community. However, the AfD went ahead 4 hours later... I ask any admin or editor with AfD closure rights to please pause any action for a few days so that I (or others) can work on the page; see per WP:RUSHDELETE. In case there is any doubt, please see my efforts at Ceres, Washington, Cora, Washington, and Forest, Washington. Would a Template:Under construction be necessary/appropriate? Also, I have viewed similar sources that back up SportingFlyer's mentions. Thanks! Shortiefourten ( talk) 19:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Finally finished updating and expanding other articles under AfD via the GNIS cleanup process so I'll be able to devote time tomorrow to add sourcing and expansion on the Swofford article. I again ask admins and those involved for a couple extra days before any potential actions to delete the Swofford page. Thanks! Shortiefourten ( talk) 18:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment No. 2 The article has been expanded, mentioning both Swofford and Swofford Valley synonymously as the community does and backed up by sourcing. Relied on local news articles, as one does for small, rural communities in the USA. Article is written and sourced well-enough now, IMO, to further warrant Keep status. A quick note - news articles ref'd on the page consistently refer to Swofford as a town or community. I decided to go ahead and do the work straight to the article rather than my previous AfD-saving attempts of listing sources first on the talk page. It's just doing double the work and is by no means trying to circumvent anything. Being WP:BOLD? I dunno, just don't have the time to do twice the effort. Feel free to add or subtract from what I wrote on the article page...or leave some notes on what could be improved. Thanks! Shortiefourten ( talk) 19:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced and dead links, these consists of WP:PRIMARY, one being about one of its commentators and announcements, some being more deserving in an article about the coverage but not this list; barely much to help this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 19:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympics on NBC commentators SpacedFarmer ( talk) 06:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Just about all of the names of the commentators and what respective events that they worked on for each of ABC's Olympic broadcasts that have been listed are for the most part, accounted for reference/sourcing wise. There are now over 200 sources spanning from 1964-1988. Also, the article touches in depth, arguably two of the most significant or well known moments in ABC's Olympic history, Jim McKay's reporting on the 1972 Munich massacre and Al Michaels' calling what would become known as the " Miracle on Ice" in 1980. So it isn't merely just a list of commentators, there's some context behind it. BornonJune8 ( talk) 11:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Robert Gordon University#Garthdee campus. No argument has been made for it being independently notable. With the information already being present, there's no need to merge but the history is retained if someone feels something worth adding. Star Mississippi 14:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Robert Gordon University – Garthdee campus

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This whole page reads like an overly detailed promotional pamphlet for the Robert Gordon University, and the main Robert Gordon University article has most, if not all, of the useful information from this article in its Garthdee campus section UltrasonicMadness ( talk) 19:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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International Socialist League (2019)

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In its current state, I'm not sure how this article meets our policy for notability of organizations. All of the cited sources are from periodicals and organizations directly affiliated with this organization (1 from Socialist Middle East, 1 from Alternativa Socialista, 3 from Asian Marxist Review, 1 from Periodismo de Izquierda, 1 from MST, 2 from the Socialist Laborers Party and 5 from the International Socialist League itself). Looking through Google Scholar, almost all of the results I see are about the South African International Socialist League, I can't find any clear cases of significant coverage of this organization in independent, reliable sources.

Despite linking to 25 websites and facebook pages affiliated with this organization, it doesn't appear that any of these affiliates are independently notable either, so I'm not sure what case can be made for this article needing to exist. Also, the only pages that appear to link to this one are just long lists of Trotskyist internationals. I don't think every non-notable Trotskyist international necessitates individual pages. Grnrchst ( talk) 09:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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9wm

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I think this fails WP: N. I found this which gives a review of 9wm in a few sentences and some mentions in a couple of books, but nothing more than that. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 15:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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A.P.J.M. Matriculation Higher Secondary School

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Delete Fails to meet WP:NSCHOOL. Can be mentioned as an educational institution in /info/en/?search=Kanyakumari_district Wikilover3509 ( talk) 14:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: "Before 2017, secondary schools were assumed notable unless sources could not be found to prove existence, but following a February 2017 RFC, secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist, and are still subject both to the standards of notability, as well as those for organizations." See WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Charlie ( talk) 12:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. Why not? Merge discussions can occur outside of this AFD. Liz Read! Talk! 04:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The Alcalde

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Merge Fails to meet WP:GNG. Better to merge either with /info/en/?search=University_of_Texas_at_Austin or /info/en/?search=Texas_Exes Wikilover3509 ( talk) 13:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. Nobody wants it deleted, it seems like, so my proposition would be to close this discussion as no consensus and carry out the merger as a normal editorial action. Geschichte ( talk) 18:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. WP:NPASR applies. ✗ plicit 11:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sagem myX-2

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It doesn't appear to meet WP:N, made by non-notable company. Boleyn ( talk) 09:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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:Delete per WP:NCORP 104.7.152.180 ( talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

This is a product, not a company. Liz Read! Talk! 22:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Thanks for improvements to the article over this AFD. Liz Read! Talk! 04:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Brewster Gardens

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fails general notability guideline. ltb d l ( talk) 06:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Is there a reason you think it fails GNG? I see many sources for this: https://www.google.co.nz/books/edition/A_guide_to_Plymouth_and_its_history/FfLLEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Brewster+Gardens%22&pg=PT33&printsec=frontcover https://www.plymouthindependent.org/steps-in-the-right-direction-brewster-gardens-project-finished/ Traumnovelle ( talk) 06:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I will vote Keep for now given the sources I've managed to find and no explanation on why it fails GNG. Traumnovelle ( talk) 02:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Further sources: https://www.google.co.nz/books/edition/Plymouth/IP4lKfB4StkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Brewster+Gardens%22+-wikipedia&pg=PA24&printsec=frontcover https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/old-colony-memorial/2020/11/12/plymouth-garden-club-parks-forestry-division-spruce-up-brewster-gardens/6271874002/ (doesn't help establish notability on it's own) https://books.google.co.nz/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Qr0wBwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA244&dq=%22Brewster+Gardens%22&ots=Qm96qdgJEM&sig=ihOH6lAbusl7hLGYDBvLpfA6xDc&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22Brewster%20Gardens%22&f=false
This appears to be a park that is often used for public gatherings and protests alongside being frequently mentioned in information about local history. Still not seeing how this fails notability. Traumnovelle ( talk) 06:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: I prefer seeing the article about Brewster Gardens being merged into the article about Plymouth, Massachuetts. Anonymous ( talk) 07:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
But "delete" would ensure the article is not merged into Plymouth, Massachusetts. Thincat ( talk) 10:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I just added a sentence and sourcing by the North and Source Rivers Watershed Association. There is a lot of work that needs to be done on the article. Part of the visual problem with article, was that all the tagging notices took up about three times more space than the actual article wording. But the source I added leaves no doubt that this is a pretty notable area park. — Maile ( talk) 11:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I have just cleaned up and resourced this article. It should at least pass basic requirements for a Keep. It seemed to have originally been created by a good faith editor. — Maile ( talk) 22:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sacks and Co.

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The subject of this article is a business with no proven notability. As written, it contains no references. A limited web search reveals no feature stories or in-depth articles that would indicate that this organization should be included in an encyclopedia. A single story in Daily Variety [ [32]] from 2006 was all I could unearth

I had previously submitted it for PROD but the reviewer somehow felt this was worth keeping. Volcom95 ( talk) 06:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure)‎ LibStar ( talk) 21:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ed Craven

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This article is more about the companies he founded which already have their own articles. His life doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO. LibStar ( talk) 00:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. Agree that it meets notability standards. It is also of public interest and serves the public. I just found this article after seeking information on this individual. Knox490 ( talk) 05:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I agree that Duffbeerforme's assertion (without evidence of any, let alone a pattern) seems at odds with WP:NEXIST (a long-standing part of our notability guideline). To wit, "The current state of the article does not determine notability...Multiple suitable sources that could be cited...Likely notable". But I cannot access most of GMH's links to decide how in-depth and independent of each other they are for this person himself. DMacks ( talk) 06:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Participants believe this article subject meets WP:JUDGE. Liz Read! Talk! 04:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Mohammad Anwarul Haque

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Failed WP:GNG. Nothing significant except an obituary Ontor22 ( talk) 06:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep meets WP:NJUDGE BrigadierG ( talk) 13:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That is not true. Multiple sources used in the article, from reliable newspapers, identify him as a judge in the High Court Division of the Bangladesh Supreme Court. You nominating the article is a vote for deletion; you do not have to make a bold recommendation. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 01:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Participants disagree with nominator and believe the subject meets WP:JUDGE Liz Read! Talk! 04:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Khandoker Musa Khaled

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No significant and independent coverage. Does not meet the conditions of WP:JUDGE Ontor22 ( talk) 06:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep pretty clearly meets WP:JUDGE, sitting on a country's supreme court constitutes "national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office" BrigadierG ( talk) 13:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That is not true. Multiple sources used in the article, from reliable newspapers, identify him as a judge in the High Court Division of the Bangladesh Supreme Court. The third source is the article, Five additional judges of HC get job confirmation, which includes the subject. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 01:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 04:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Jack Gray (rugby union)

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No evidence of SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Triptothecottage ( talk) 05:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete, as per others. Alexeyevitch( talk) 10:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 04:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Aloy Ejimakor

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This subject fails WP:GNG as well as WP:ANYBIO because he is not the actual subject of significant in-depth coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. He is mentioned in sources covering other topics. That's not enough. JFHJr ( ㊟) 05:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

How does he meet WP:N? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 05:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Per your points, let's add WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON. Thank you, War Term. JFHJr ( ㊟) 05:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Ok. I retract the WP:N comment. What about the other two? @ Gråbergs Gråa Sång @ JFHJr (Chat With Term) talk 06:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
If WP:N fails, they're not very relevant for this discussion. No WP:N, no article. Existing is not enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 06:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
War Term: If you're the creator and you're retracting N, why not change your vote to speedy delete? JFHJr ( ㊟) 06:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect seems at worst harmless, I added a mention of him at [38]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. I'd normally accept Redirect as a sensible ATD in such cases, but the fact that the copyright violating text existed from the very first version of the page, and the limited amount of editing done since, makes Redirect over a selective delrev a poor choice in this case. Any editor is welcome to recreate the page as a redirect, although I don't see much value in that. Owen× ☎ 12:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Introduction to Leadership Skills (Boy Scouts of America)

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This is a service product related to BSA/Scouting/Boy Scouts of America and given the guide book like nature of this article and lack of SIRS devoted to this service product, I argue that it should be re-directed to Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America) or another appropriate target. I've boldly re-directed but it was reverted, so I am putting it up for consensus discussion Graywalls ( talk) 02:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment I just got this bon mot on civility on my talk page. -- evrik ( talk) 02:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I would appreciate if you keep the discussion contained to contents. Given the lack of sources that would allow this article to meet NCORP for the program itself and such heavy reliance on primary source, I don't believe it merits a stand-alone and per WP:BRD, I re-directed it, boldly, which you reverted and I believe that AfD is the proper venue to discussion such. Graywalls ( talk) 02:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and Wikify Covers two major programs that 100,000's or millions have been through. A good "sub-article" of Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America) and these types commonly exist without the unusually strict (in that context) bar being promulgated by the duo. Whether we get that by just following the norm or by bringing in a bit of IAR, IMO that would be a good way to cover this. BTW a pair of folks have been intensely working at deleting BSA articles and BSA article content and that duo is here in this AFD. Article needs wikifying and a bit of paring to be more oriented towards informing a typical (non-BSA) reader. I'd be happy to work on that if pinged. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 17:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    • User:North8000, I read over your comment twice but I see no policy-based reasons for keeping this. "Millions have been through it" isn't one, and I don't know what "good sub-article" means or why that means we should keep it. IAR is not an excuse to have all this material in our encyclopedia. I suppose you mean me as part of that duo? Well that's sweet. Can we please get any reliable secondary sourcing? Remember, "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", that's what we need. Drmies ( talk) 02:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
BTW the ping would need to be on or after June 17th. Soon I'll be gone until then. North8000 ( talk) 18:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Your post completely ignores my argument and so is not a response to my post. North8000 ( talk) 18:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Your argument essentially says "I like this stuff and I find it valuable and should be retained" and not grounded in guidelines supported by the wider community and IAR shouldn't liberally invoke to try to retain "I like it and its informative" article that isn't supportable in ordinary guidelines. Graywalls ( talk) 18:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
No, that is a completely invented insulting mis-statement of my argument, so far off that it bears no relationship to my argument. North8000 ( talk) 18:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Hey everyone, now Graywalls has posted this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philmont Leadership Challenge and is starting to attack Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America). Just saying. BTW, this appears to be an continuation of the discussion held: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1153#User:Graywalls_reported_by_User:72.83.72.31 -- evrik ( talk) 22:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Nobody came forward for filing that drive-by report and I see Special:Contributions/72.83.72.31 has no other edits. Graywalls ( talk) 22:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
User:evrik, can you explain what you mean with "attack" and how that jibes with [{WP:AGF]]? Drmies ( talk) 02:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I made my recommendation, gave the basis for it and made my offer. Now I've seen two people misstate what I said. Including misstating that my mention of IAR was explicitly only to follow a common and useful-for-Wikipedia norm which is not explicitly supported by policy. Even if I wasn't going to be gone until June 17th I'd be stepping away from this now,content to go with whatever is decided and leaving my offer open to Wikify if it is kept and if pinged. I'm extending that offer to include doing a careful merge if that is decided and if pinged. In the larger picture the duo has had some valid points that could point toward some refining of BSA articles but unfortunately, I've seen what IMO appears be a hostile view towards the BSA articles, a pretty heavy targeting of them, and where their only activity on them has been towards large scale deletion of material and deletion of articles with no activity towards improving them. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 11:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - The discussion here seems contentious when all that needs to happen is review the references to determine if the topic is notable. Unfortunately, I cannot find any in-depth coverage to show how it meets WP:GNG, nor do I see any references pointed out above that would qualify. If someone is able to provide the sourcing they feel shows notability, I would be happy to review and even change my !vote. Would recommend a redirect to Boy Scouts of America if page is ultimately deleted. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 03:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America) per nom. This does not meet WP:NORG. In particular this is a non notable product of a notable organisation. WP:NPRODUCT is the relevant guideline. There should be sustained coverage per WP:SIRS. That coverage does not exist. Rather than deleting the page, a redirect to the training page is appropriate. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 16:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. No SIRS coverage, and a redirect that preserves the history would also preserve copyvio like the paragraph beginning ILSC helps crew members with leadership positions..., copied from this Word doc. And that's just from comparing the current text to the sources it cites; I'm guessing there's more copyvio in the history and/or non-cited sources. JoelleJay ( talk) 03:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to List of building or structure fires#2018. Malinaccier ( talk) 02:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

2018 Manila Pavilion Hotel fire

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (events). No evidence of lasting effects based on GNews Archives and GBooks search. A brief and cited mention at List_of_building_or_structure_fires#2018 can also be an alternative to deletion. -- Lenticel ( talk) 02:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Redirect - Per Slgrandson
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The result was delete‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 02:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Cameron Guarino

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The same article was deleted at Cam Guarino by User:Kuru. I tagged this article for speedy deletion but it was declined by User:GB fan. User:Namiba 02:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Note: The article at Cam Guarino was created by a check-user verified paid editing sock evading a block on another account. I've added 'Johnson Abigail' to an existing follow-up. Sam Kuru (talk) 11:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I have blocked the article's author, Johnson Abigail, as a sock. GB fan - I don't mind allowing this discussion to play out, but I believe that a G5 speedy would now be within policy, and more expedient. You declined the original speedy tag - do you objections to deletion at this point? Girth Summit (blether) 14:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't have any objections. At the time I declined, there was no investigation of any kind I could point to. There wasn't even a sock puppet identified that was pointed to. ~ GB fan 15:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 02:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of festivals in California

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List with only 2 entries, only one of which has an article. Does not meet WP:STANDALONELIST. '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete. Per the linked Wikipedia page, the article topic (which is about festivals in California) needs to be talked as a whole in other sources. Such sources are not referenced. 47.153.138.166 ( talk) 02:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war. (non-admin closure) Josethewikier ( talk) 02:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Reactions to the Israel–Hamas war

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I've created this article copy-pasting from the main article ( Israel–Hamas war) 1 month ago, but I think this article is very poorly written and I cannot help but find the International Reactions to the Israel–Hamas war article to be thousands of times better than this one. I believe this article should be deleted. Maybe one or two things can be merged into the above article, but I don't really see how. It's also a possibility to rename the above article to remove the word "international" after the potential deletion of this one, but I digress. Josethewikier ( talk) 01:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

You can probably add a Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G7._Author_requests_deletion G7 tag to get this speedily deleted since you are the original author and no other substantial content has been added. Barnards.tar.gz ( talk) 08:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes I could, and I probably will soon. I just wanted to ask the public if they have any better suggestions. Josethewikier ( talk) 15:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Per G7 would be fine, otherwise this would be an easy redirect to the article mentioned above. You can be bold and redirect the article now, then withdraw your nomination here. Conyo14 ( talk) 21:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I shall withdraw this AfD and redirect to above article then. (unless I should G7?) Josethewikier ( talk) 16:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. The consensus in this discussion is that this article meets WP:NPLACE and there is also little articulated support for the deletion nomination. Liz Read! Talk! 00:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Clover Park, New Zealand

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Proposing to merge/redirect to Flat Bush (Most of the area falls under Flat Bush). Not gazetted/included in Auckland Council's official map tool and fails GNG, no sigcov turns up in a search with most results pertaining to a school and one even stating the area is Otara: https://www.google.co.nz/books/edition/Addressing_Pupil_s_Behaviour/UlAAhkusknAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clover+park%22+auckland&pg=PT109&printsec=frontcover Traumnovelle ( talk) 01:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and New Zealand. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Delete per nom Heyallkatehere ( talk) 10:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I admit to not understanding this nom, as a simple search of the NZ Herald brings up over 300 results about the suburb. SportingFlyer T· C 06:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Did you look at any of the articles? They're all appear to be generic news reports about incidents in the area and do not establish any notability to the place itself. Traumnovelle ( talk) 06:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes, but those articles clearly define it as a place, Kia Aroha school says it's in Clover Park and not Ōtara, houses are listed as being in Clover Park on house listing websites, it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986... places have some of the lowest notability thresholds on the entire website and I really don't see what's to be gained from deleting a perfectly good article about a place that is literally a point in the generic map box when you view the map, just because of some technicality. SportingFlyer T· C 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    The threshold for places is WP:NPLACE. The relevant paragraph is this one:
    Populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG. Examples may include subdivisions, business parks, housing developments, informal regions of a state, unofficial neighborhoods, etc. – any of which could be considered notable on a case-by-case basis, given non-trivial coverage by their name in multiple, independent reliable sources. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it.
    >it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986...
    There are records dating back to the 1800s of some places in my neighbourhood, yet no one outside of my neighbourhood, and even some of them won't know what they are. Simply existing is not grounds for an article and the information would be better off included in the relevant article/articles. Traumnovelle ( talk) 19:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    You're proposing an area that is clearly defined by the census and is recognised by multiple NZ government entities does not qualify for an article because it's not included in a place names layer on a single website, which again would be an extreme technicality for our most permissive notability standard. SportingFlyer T· C 07:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I am suggesting a place which fails WP:GNG and isn't recognised by New Zealand's official gazetteer nor by the regional authorities map tool doesn't qualify for an article. WP:NPLACE explicitly excludes census tracts and if stats nz areas were considered notable we'd have even more stubs with nothing more than demographic information and an infobox. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    First, it doesn't fail WP:GNG. Second, you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted, when it's clearly a place name which has some sort of legal recognition - the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park, not Flat Bush. SportingFlyer T· C 07:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Show me a source with significant coverage of it.
    >you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted
    It doesn't - it's just one way of being legally recognised.
    >the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park
    New Zealand Post doesn't define suburb names or boundaries so referring to them is pointless. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, recognised by Statistics New Zealand and the New Zealand Post Office, has Clover Park Community House, has a population of almost 10,000 people. It doesn't make sense to me to lump it in with Flat Bush, which already has a population of 45,000 people. As stated above, relevant news articles are given as occurring in Clover Park. Like most places in New Zealand, Auckland does not have official suburbs, but it does have wards and local boards, so the suggestion of a merge would be more appropriate to Ōtara-Papatoetoe Local Board or Manukau ward, except no one would ever list those as part of their address. The larger body in human terms would be South Auckland.- Gadfium ( talk) 01:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Statistical/census areas are not considered for NPLACE due to issues with them. 'Auckland University' is a statistical area for example, but it obviously isn't a suburb/locality. Other areas listed by them include: Botany Junction, Redcastle, Armoy, Middlefield, Savonna, and Baverstock. None of these have articles because they're non-notable areas that aren't gazetted.
    Suburbs in Auckland have official recognition via the gazetter or on Auckland Council's geomaps (which is where the Council refers you to for road boundaries and whatnot) Traumnovelle ( talk) 02:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Not that it necessarily matters, but none of those areas you listed are considered suburbs by either Openstreetmap or Google Maps, which even displays a distinct suburb boundary for Clover Park when you type it in. SportingFlyer T· C 07:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    It doesn't matter because those sites use user generated submissions which cannot be used to establish notability. Please read through WP:NPLACE. Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm very familiar with NPLACE, I started that sentence with "not that it necessarily matters." I just wanted to note you threw out a number of false equivalencies. SportingFlyer T· C 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Because this place has an article which could potentially lead to why user generated sources may have it listed? Traumnovelle ( talk) 07:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    It wouldn't work that way - a definitional polygon on Google Maps would not be created because of a spurious Wikipedia article, especially in a country where they wouldn't need to use user generated data to be accurate. But again, we're veering away from AfD relevancy... SportingFlyer T· C 07:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, this seems to me to exceed WP:NPLACE as a search turned up a bunch of mentions, including a direct mention in the media by a PM. David Palmer// cloventt ( talk) 07:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Which one of those do you find to be non-trivial coverage? Traumnovelle ( talk) 08:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Meets WP:NPLACE. Non-trivial coverage here for example: [39]. Paora ( talk) 11:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    That is literally what trivial coverage is, coverage where something is mentioned but not explained or any detail is given about it: 'addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content' Traumnovelle ( talk) 20:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep as per comments above... recognized by Statistics New Zealand and meets WP:NPLACE. Alexeyevitch( talk) 21:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
> Census tracts ... are not presumed to be notable
Census locations cannot provide notability, terrible precedent to assume they do and you'd have to apply the same logic to dozens of non-notable housing developments and areas no one has heard of. If it is actually notable then why is it not recognised by the Council or the Gazetteer? Traumnovelle ( talk) 21:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Please stop WP:BLUDGEONing. SportingFlyer T· C 02:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 11:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Kanati Clothing Company

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Likely fails Wikipedia:ORGSIG Lord serious pig 21:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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