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Stewart Shining

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I am nominating this article for deletion due to significant concerns regarding its notability and the reliability of its sources. Despite attempts to engage the community for improvements, the article suffers from critical issues as outlined below:

Broken Links or Unavailable Sources: The article relies heavily on sources that are either broken or inaccessible, undermining the verification process. Key examples include:

Sports Illustrated cover, 2001 (link) - broken. "Phuket, Thailand, October 2000" by The Advocate, HighBeam Research, Inc., February 3, 2004 - inaccessible. "By Stewart Shining, for Time Out (February 1996)" from natalieportman.com - archived and unavailable. Other broken or archived sources include links from People Magazine, Rolling Stone, and celebrians.com covering various photo shoots and articles from 1996 through 2008.

Links That Do Not Verify Notability or Credibility: Several sources mention Shining's work but do not provide substantive discussion of his role or influence, failing to establish his notability. This includes articles like "Goddess of the Mediterranean" from CNN/Sports Illustrated and various brief mentions in Rolling Stone that do not analyze his impact in the field.

Overreliance on Primary Sources: The article predominantly uses primary sources, such as stewartshining.com and celebrians.com, which may introduce bias. These sources largely showcase the subject’s work without any critical analysis or third-party perspective, failing to meet the standards for reliable, independent verification of content. Misrepresentation of Roles or Inaccurate Information: The article includes claims not supported by reliable secondary sources, such as the subject's alleged significant roles with non-profits and major editorial contributions. For instance, a Wall Street Journal article titled "New Optimism for AIDS Activist" and information from Photo District News do not confirm his reported roles, creating potential misinformation.

Given the extensive reliance on problematic sources, combined with a significant lack of independent and reliable secondary coverage, the subject's notability cannot be adequately verified. Therefore, I recommend a discussion on whether this article should be retained, heavily edited, or deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitsoukorussie ( talk • contribs) 05:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Atta Soja

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Does not pass WP:NBOX or GNG. Sources are database entries, press release with the same images, paid articles posted without bylines etc., Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 09:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tarang Jain

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Hard to meet WP:GNG. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 07:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Bakhtar40, as a fairly inexperienced editor (131 edits), you need to read WP:BEFORE, "If there are verifiability, notability or other sourcing concerns, take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources". It is not just the sources actually used in the article that count. A simple Google search for Tarang Jain Varroc (he owns 86%) gives us:
https://www.forbes.com/profile/tarang-jain/?sh=5a0e545f2676
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/big-bet/twinwin-venture-how-tarang-jain-built-a-global-automotive-business/49915/1
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/leaderhip-awards-2013/tarang-jain-taking-risks-to-derisk-varroc/36383/1
https://www.autocarpro.in/feature/varroc-tarang-jain-autocar-professional-3428
https://www.themachinist.in/interviews/2333/investments-help-companies-stay-competitive
https://www.cnbctv18.com/business/companies/varroc-engineering-striving-for-double-digit-margin-by-end-of-fy24-says-cmd-17046041.htm
There are plenty more. And who knows what else in Hindi, etc? Edwardx ( talk) 09:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

2024 Sindh Premier League

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NEVENT. The tournament doesn't have official status with no lasting effect. RoboCric Let's chat 05:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Marion Evans

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Fails WP:GNG. Flounder fillet ( talk) 20:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Rahul Yadav

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Does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Press Releases and announcements. Most of the news is about his firm. The news are about the company. Or it will be better to Redirect this article on Housing.com. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 15:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ashwinder Singh

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Fails WP:NBIO and WP:GNG. A Google search brings up more such paid PR publications. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 15:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant)

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Redirect to List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden, or Delete. Case of WP:BLP1E that was previously deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (2nd nomination), but it was recreated. Referencing is very poor (there are no quality RS that cover the subject in any SIGOV outside of being in lists of famous winners). I tagged the article a year ago and suggested it should be redirected as IPs were constantly adding badly referenced WP:PROMO material about his other business interests, but when I WP:BOLDLY redirected it a few days ago, having not had any response to my notices, User:Robert McClenon felt it was better to send to AfD. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Only seeing now that it was also at AfD a third time (that AfD wasn't logged on the Talk Page) where it was kept Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (3rd nomination). Having read the sourcing that was provided for the 3rd AfD, I think it was pretty weak, and a redirect, to his entry on List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden would be a better solution. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources
    1. McNear, Claire (2020). Answers in the Form of Questions: A Definitive History and Insider's Guide to Jeopardy!. New York: Twelve. ISBN  978-1-5387-0232-1. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes about Bruce Lou: "As a student, he’d done quiz bowl, the team trivia competition often found in scholastic settings, and won the National History Bee—a contest organized by David Madden, who was a nineteen-time Jeopardy! champion in 2005—and Lou found himself missing the competition."

      The book notes: "As Watson entered crunch time, Jeopardy! granted IBM access to notable champions from years past, including nineteen-time winner David Madden, whose streak was second only to Ken Jennings’s at the time. Madden played two games against Watson.“"

      The book notes: "A number of Jeopardy! alumni’s new chapters, perhaps unsurprisingly, have to do with trivia. David Madden was a twentythree-year-old grad student when he first played, and as he left the studio after his twentieth game with vouchers totaling more than $430,000, he wasn’t sure what he wanted to do. ... A quiz bowl alum, he ultimately used his winnings as seed money to found International Academic Competitions, which hosts, among other things, the annual National History Bee and Bowl."

      The book notes: "David Madden, the nineteen-time champion, remembers auditioning in the Jeopardy! studio in May 2004. With him was a friend named Jeff Hoppes, who was called to be on the show just before Madden and ultimately became one of the final victims of Ken Jennings, coming in second in the seventieth game of Jennings's seventy-four-game winning streak. Hoppes, Madden says, first played quiz bowl in high school when he was a classmate of Rutter's, and then went on to marry eventual six-time Jeopardy! champion and Tournament of Champions runner-up Larissa Kelly. Madden, Rutter, and Kelly made up the winning team in the All-Star Games."

    2. Grant, Meghan (2019-03-04). "'Jeopardy!' All-Star Games finals include Ridgewood native". North Jersey Media Group. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "This Bergen County person is competing in the "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games this week. ... Who is former champion David Madden of Ridgewood? Among the former champs will be Madden, a member of Team Brad, one of the six trios of top players in the tournament. ... Back in 2005-2006, Madden won $432,400 in 19 rounds in a row — the third-longest winning streak in the game — earning a rank among "Jeopardy!" top players. ... Madden founded International Academic Competitions, running about a dozen contests in 30 countries, including the National History Bee and National Science Bee, hosting tens of thousands of students. Former players have gone on to "Jeopardy!" teen and college tournaments, and five staffers have won on the show."

    3. Grant, Meghan (2019-03-05). "Ridgewood native David Madden and Team Brad win 'Jeopardy!' All-Star Games". North Jersey Media Group. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "Ridgewood native David Madden and his partners on Team Brad won a decisive victory on "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games, and the $1 million prize. ... Madden earned a spot on the All-Star Games roster by winning 19 rounds in a row in 2005 and 2006, the third-longest winning streak in the show’s history. He was “drafted” by team leader Brad Rutter, along with Madden’s former Princeton classmate, Larissa Kelly. ... Madden used some of his first "Jeopardy!" winnings, a $432,400 pot, as start-up money, going on to found International Academic Competitions."

    4. Coutros, Evonnie (2005-09-23). "Ridgewood grad strikes it rich on 'Jeopardy!'". The Record. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Newspapers.com.

      The article notes: "Former Ridgewood resident David Madden hit the jackpot this month, but it wasn't in the lottery. Madden, a 1999 graduate of Ridgewood High, had a 19-day winning streak on "Jeopardy!" and walked away from the game show with more than $430,000 in cash. Madden, 24, a graduate of Princeton University, lost to a 24-year-old self-employed musician from Decatur, Ga. The episode aired earlier this week. ... Madden, who now lives in Berlin, is studying for an advanced degree in international relations at Frei University."

    5. Daugherty, Haley (2023-02-17). "Greater Latrobe Senior High School to host national quiz competition". Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "International Academic Competitions was started in 2010 by Jeopardy winner David Madden. He and his wife, Nolwenn Madden act as executive directors and they expanded the competition globally in 2012."

    6. Adams, Caralee J. (2013-07-01). "Reviving History Instruction: What's Old Is New Again". Education Week. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "With the goal of engaging students more deeply in history, David Madden, a “Jeopardy” champion and former high school and college quiz-bowl player, established the National History Bee & Bowl in 2010. Now in about 2,000 schools—elementary through high—individual Bee competitions and Bowl events are held throughout the country. Mr. Madden, 31, discovered there was plenty of demand."

    7. Ferguson, Mike (2014-02-08). "'I'll take history for $1,000, Alex': Founder of history bowl attends Montana competition". Billings Gazette. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "Montana high school history buffs can thank David Madden’s 19-day winning streak on the game show “Jeopardy!” nine years ago for the chance to show off their own knowledge Saturday at Skyview High School. Madden, 32, is founder and executive director of the National History Bee and Bowl, an individual and team competition with about 50,000 participants in more than 200 places around the country and overseas, too. About 60 students competed all day Saturday in the state championship held in Skyview’s theater. ... Madden, a graduate of Princeton University, founded the organization four years ago on his more than $400,000 in winnings on America’s most famous quiz show."

    8. Zarnowski, Tatiana (2011-02-28). "Saratoga Springs competition will test knowledge of history". The Daily Gazette. Archived from the original on 2014-07-22. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "National History Bowl and Bee, a private, for-profit startup company, is based in Ridgewood, N.J., where owner David Madden is from. The company conducted a pilot competition there in May. In 2005, Madden reigned in a 20-game run on “Jeopardy!,” the second-longest ever after Ken Jennings, who had a 74-game winning streak."

    9. Strauss, Robert (2005-10-09). "Worth Noting; I'll Take Quiz Kids For $600, Alex". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "Mr. Madden was the captain of the Quiz Bowl team at Ridgewood High, and was on a similar freshman team at Princeton."

    10. Pakkala, Tiffany (2008-01-10). "'Jeopardy' winner turns to hiking with a purpose". Savannah Morning News. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: ""Jeopardy" fans remember him as the calculating young trivia expert who won 19 times on the game show and left with winnings more than $442,000, in part because he sought out the "Daily Double" early to maximize his cash. Now David Madden, 26, is crunching numbers for a different reason: He's hiking 3,000 miles to help raise money for a group that offers free and low-cost lodging to hospitalized soldiers and their families."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow David Madden to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 05:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Which of these refs is WP:SIGCOV on the subject in a major regional/national media outlet - none.
No main regional or national American news outlet thinks he is notable enough to do a piece on him - if they don't think he is notable, why do we?
Passing mentions, and mostly for the BLP1E, in small media outlets, is not the General notability guideline. If that was the case we could get rid of BLP1E as a guideline as most cases have such coverage. Aszx5000 ( talk) 08:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The subject received significant coverage in 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2019, 2020, and 2023. A person who falls under WP:BLP1E does not receive sustained significant coverage over 18 years for his activities.

He was a nineteen-time Jeopardy! champion in 2005. He founded the International Academic Competitions, which hosts the annual National History Bee and Bowl. He competed in and with his partners won the "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games in 2019. A person who has received significant coverage for multiple events does not fall under WP:BLP1E.

The subject is from New Jersey. The subject received significant coverage in a 2020 book published by Twelve. He received significant coverage in a 2014 article in Billings Gazette, the largest newspaper in Montana. He received significant coverage in a 2008 article in the Savannah Morning News, a regional newspaper that covers the Savannah metropolitan area and parts of South Carolina. He easily meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria.

Cunard ( talk) 08:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

But he hasn't received any significant coverage. If WP:GNG was "significant number of passing mentions in non-national/regional sources", then he would be a keep. But the requirement is for "significant coverage", and in quality sources (of which there is also none).
I could create an AI to scan 3rd tier US media to find names briefly mentioned (many of which will have a BLP1E element), and I could create 1 million more Wikipedia BLPs in the morning, but I would probably be in ANI shortly after.
No encyclopedia outside of Jeopardy! fan sites, will ever have an article on this subject. His entry on List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden captures everything that is notable about his BLP1E. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Sources such as Pakkala 2008, Ferguson 2014, Grant 2019a, and McClear 2020 are not passing mentions. Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Cunard ( talk) 10:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Todd Archibald

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Article recreated by WP:SPA following deletion a year and a half ago. I am bringing this to the community's attention. I am personally a weak delete: somewhat accomplished person, but I think it falls a little short of our notability criteria. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 09:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Frederick F. Cornell

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Fails WP:GNG. Book source seems to say about as much as an obituary would about each person described there. Flounder fillet ( talk) 20:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete -- a Newspapers.com search finds only passing mentions (generally as an officiant at a wedding or in ads for a school he assisted at.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Robert Thomas Brudenell-Bruce

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Fails WP:GNG. No indication of notability. Flounder fillet ( talk) 20:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ben Obese-Jecty

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Candidates for UK Parliament are not automatically notable. Similarly, writing a few newspaper articles also does not confer notability. Propose deleting and if he is successful in his campaign, it would be appropriate to make a page once he is elected. Drerac ( talk) 17:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, Journalism, and United Kingdom. Cleo Cooper ( talk) 18:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Does not pass WP:GNG, vast majority of sources cited in article are written by article subject. J2m5 ( talk) 02:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as the number of sources appears to indicate notability for journalism purposes as well as his political career. If the decision is not made to keep the article, moving to draft space would make more sense than deletion, which would only mean a well-written article most likely having to be recreated from scratch after the election if he wins. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 07:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Brendan Lopes

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Doesn't meet WP:FILMMAKER or WP:BIO. The subject has coverage only for winning a private island. No other significant coverage on his works or states any importance for an article. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 09:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sunarso

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No significant coverage or importance on the subject to have an article. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 08:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Shreya Verma

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Case of BLP1E. Fails WP:NPOL and GNG as BLP is contesting in the 2024 Indian general election and has not been elected to any office positions yet. Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 07:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, India, and Uttar Pradesh. Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 07:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: I don't know how these people create an article about a politician without reading Guidelines. Clearly fails WP:NPOL. Youknowwhoistheman ( talk) 08:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails WP:NPOL, same like previous AFDs Kompella Madhavi Latha, Neeraj Tripathi. No in-depth coverage of the Subject and not yet elected as MP or MLA to pass WP:NPOL, If she wins the election and elected as a MP then he will automatically pass WP:NPOL. Grabup ( talk) 08:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. As always, people do not get Wikipedia articles just for standing as candidates in elections they have not yet won already — but this makes no claim that the subject has preexisting notability for any other reason. Obviously no prejudice against recreation after election day if she wins, but just standing as a candidate is not in and of itself grounds for an article now. Bearcat ( talk) 18:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Anurag Sinha

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I initially tagged this for UPE for cleanup but after it was challenged by two SPAs, and at the request of one, I dug further into cleanup. The issue is that the references, other than this, are not reliable to show notability. Everything is mentions, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, press releases, churnalism, interviews, or otherwise unreliable. I removed some WP:FAKEREFerences prior but kept everything else in tact so the AfD could be judged based on how it sits currently. CNMall41 ( talk) 04:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@CNMall41
I think you are indulging in provocation to prove you’re correct. Please refer this case to senior editors and administrators for opinion. My knowledge about Wikipedia rules is limited. However this nomination for deletion seems fishy. Hope fellow editors will objectively contribute to sort this, whatever is right.
Request to refer to the Talk Page of Anurag Sinha to understand the case. His notability and credibility is vouched and acknowledged.


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixing001 ( talk • contribs) 05:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Fixing001, Don't worry this ADF discussion will surely closed by an Administrator of Wikipedia. Grabup ( talk) 17:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Hello @ CNMall41
I would really like to contest your decision to provocatively send the article for deletion, while I was engaging in a meaningful conversation with you in the talk page. I will also request the inclusion of other editors and administrators to have a look at this case as I feel that this step may have been influenced due to reasons while this could have been avoided certainly for an actor who has a valid presence and calibre in the indian films industry.
Please have a look at the references right from 2008 till 2023 where these references are attributed from TOI, Press Trust of India, ANI News, NDTV, Organisational bodies, Etimes, Recognised Production Houses and International Film Festivals, Directors and fellow actors from the industry of India.
While some citations may come from a list of as you call “Paid Media”, there is a plethora of other google search articles and references in the article where the subject is not in ‘Mentionary terms’, but actuality a major point of interest.
Articles by reputed journalists of India, like Mr Subhash K Jha, Mr Khalid Mohammad and other prominent journalists have done interviews and wrote articles on ‘Anurag Sinha’. His recent Best Actor Award in International Film Festivals is also merited by TOI and PTI, ANI News, The Week, Zee5 News etc.
While, you discredited the article and the subject 2 months earlier accusing of Paid Creation, why did you not send it for deletion then itself when proper cleaning of language and any inkling of promotional intent was also removed by myself.
I had only requested you remove the “paid template” and present any transactional proof made by the user/article subject for creating the page, to which there is still no evidence provided by you. You have stated the ‘creator of the page’ has been flagged, but that does not mean that all articles created by the creator are false and paid, when the merit of this particular artist/actor is recognised by a mass audience and people of his industry.
However, I again repeat that today seems out of hasty decision, you have altered the article by your edits which are not justified. This article is on my watchlist and some removals are uncalled and was not needed at all. While you also have wrongly exercised your rights to put templates and send the page for deletion. Why?
Also, for clarification of my interest in the article, I certainly am interested in the work of actors and indian film industry and will want to contribute positively towards it.
As a responsible Wikipedia editor, I again would address you to clean the page, if you find it dissatisfying. According to me, all current references are reliable third part sources that are not just mentioning, but are talking about the subject or acknowledging the achievements of the subject.
I trust this process and hopefully this matter will be justly resolved. I will also invite other editors and experienced editors to engage in its resolution.
Thanks Fixing001 ( talk) 14:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I think the article must be uploaded back and edited with supervision. The article subject is legit. DSTR123 ( talk) 05:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It appears to me that DSTR123 and Fixing001 might be the same individual, given that the DSTR123 account was created today following this nomination and has only posted this comment thus far. Grabup ( talk) 17:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Grabup:, They likely are. SPI filed here. I believe the image uploads are a pretty good trail of breadcrumbs. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 22:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Based on my checking, I've discovered that sources are only WP:NEWSORGINDIA and press releases, sponsored articles, and interview pieces can't establish notability at all. The individual clearly doesn't meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG due to a lack of comprehensive coverage on the subject. Grabup ( talk) 17:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ’’’Keep’’’ - The article subject has a 16year career where he has recently won Best Actor Awards in his field at International Film Festivals in New Jersey and Toronto. The notability can’t be debated with the individual being working with premium indian production houses like Mukta Arts, Emmay Entertainment, Applause Entertainment, T Series etc in leading roles with directors and co-stars who are also having a sterling background.. like Subhash Ghai, Anil Kapoor, Nikkhil Advani, Shefali Shah, Purab Kohli etc. The article references are cited from the premier news agencies of indian media viz..Times of India, HT, Rediff, The Week, Press Trust of India, ANI News, NDTV, Money Control, The Print etc. Mostly all the articles in India media are cited with references from the above agencies, if that’s the case, we may need to delete every article in Indian Films section.

This article must be added with citations available in the public domain and be made available. It’s a KEEP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixing001 ( talk • contribs) 08:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Carterson

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Sources are either PRs/promo puffs/Advertorials, WP:RUNOFTHEMILL both primary and independent of the subject. Non-notable musician. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 16:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Olanrewaju Smart

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Fails WP:NPOL ( WP:NSUBPOL), sources are mostly WP:ROUTINE and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL. In short, the offices being occupied by the subject do not guarantee notability under WP:NPOL and fail WP:GNG too. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 16:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

James A. O'Flaherty

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Biography of subject that doesn't meet WP:NBIO or WP:MUSICBIO or other criteria. (Article was created, seemingly, by a family member. And relies entirely on sources written by family members. Was speedy deleted in 2007. Was restored, after request from creator, shortly afterwards - on the basis that notability might be established by "news reports" and having a music retreat "named for him". However, the only news report mentioned (which doesn't appear to be verifiable) seems to be about the music retreat. Rather than the subject. And while it is a credit to the man/family/community that the event was so-named, it doesn't establish notability. Even if the event was notable (and I would question whether it is), notability isn't transferrable.) My own WP:BEFORE has returned nothing to indicate that NBIO or SIGCOV are met. WP:COI and WP:NOTMEMORIAL are also relevant. Guliolopez ( talk) 13:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sabir Alasgarov

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Reviewed during NPP, No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The article says that he was a radio announcer. The on-line source had only a brief listing of him. Was not able to review the other 2 sources; they are off line Azerbaijani sources. (one appeared to be on line but that was just a link to a Wikipedia article about the source in general.) but content is indicative of them not being GNG sources. North8000 ( talk) 02:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tobi Mohammed

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Again, Fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or any applicable WP:SNG even after previous AfD. This is mostly based on WP:INHERENT and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL. Below is my source assessment;

Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/09/13/the-plug-topboy-entertainment-formalise-merger-announce-mohammed-as-managing-partner No Promotional piece about the merger of The Plug and TopBoy Entertainment No Even though ThisDay is reliable per WP:NGRS, No byline used in the piece. Promotional nature of this piece also affects its reliability ~ Mostly about the merger of The Plug and TopBoy Entertainment ✘ No
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/10/16/oluwatobi-mohammed-the-young-entertainment-disruptor No Promotional piece that is not entirely independent No Ditto Yes ✘ No
https://tribuneonlineng.com/tobi-mohammed-a-journey-of-innovation-from-tech-to-entertainment/ No This source appears to be a promotional profile piece on Tobi Mohammed. No Even though per WP:NGRS, Nigerian Tribune is reliable, the promotional nature of this article affects its reliability. Yes ✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/11/from-dream-to-reality-the-inspiring-journey-of-topboy-entertainment/ No This source seems to be a promotional piece about TopBoy Entertainment. No Source is marginally reliable per WP:NGRS, and the promotional nature of this article affects its reliability No The article provides significant coverage of the journey of TopBoy Entertainment ✘ No
https://www.turntablecharts.com/news/1256 ~ This source is a promotional piece about Tobi Mohammed’s BlockParty series. Yes Even though the promo from here oozes, it does not affect this context. No This is about Tobi Mohammed’s BlockParty series and not Tobi Mohammed himself ✘ No
https://digimillennials.com/music/offstage-alhaji-popping/ No No No byline used in piece and reads promotional No ✘ No
https://socialmediaweeklagos2020.sched.com/speaker/tobi27 No This source is a profile of Tobi Mohammed from the Social Media Week Lagos 2020 event. No Promotional profile Yes ✘ No
https://dailypost.ng/2023/06/09/tobi-mohammed-shares-invaluable-insights-on-soft-power/ No Obvious sponsored content No Even though Daily Post is reliable, this is an obvious sponsored content Yes ✘ No
https://notjustok.com/article/afrobeats-live-and-awards-power-players-2019/ No No No byline used No Not specifically about the subject ✘ No
https://www.turntablecharts.com/magazine/3rd/57 Yes Ditto ~ No Ditto ✘ No
https://www.turntablecharts.com/news/1184 Yes Ditto ~ No Ditto ✘ No
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Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 23:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: We had this about a year ago, here we are again, still not notable. The source chart is overly generous with a few sources, but I agree it's a !delete, this is PROMO. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete looks like promotion per sources provided. No deep coverage by independent sources. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 11:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. The subject of this article has not been discussed in reliable secondary sources. Some of the sources (ThisDay) cited in the article are not independent of him and others (The Nation newspaper) are promotional to say the least. The awards he has won or been nominated for aren't notable.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 17:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Chris Ashby

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Of the current sources, the first was written by the subject himself, and the second is a brief mention quoted from a press release. A BEFORE check revealed some quotes and namedrops but little else. Let'srun ( talk) 19:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hakeem Nisar Ahmad

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL as he never won a national or provincial election, merely running for an election does not make one notable. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 12:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 12:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I'm not seeing any significant coverage except for press releases about his part in running for elections to which he did not win. Fails WP:NPOL as not having won any seat-- Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 12:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: [1] Did not win his election so no WP:NPOL pass, and there does not appear to be WP:SIGCOV of him beyond routine campaigning releases. Curbon7 ( talk) 04:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. As always, people do not get Wikipedia articles just for standing as candidates in elections they didn't win — but this makes no claim that the subject has preexisting notability for any other reason. Bearcat ( talk) 18:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The author was a blocked sock (G5), and it's snowing down below anyway. Girth Summit (blether) 12:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

KJ Dhaliwal

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Does not pass WP:GNG / WP:BIO.

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 07:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Kent Edunjobi

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An article about an individual that doesn't meet out general notability guidelines for inclusion of musicians, actors and as the case may be. The sources doesn't seem to be significantly covered and per se, have more of PR and paid writing. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 09:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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John Ratcliff (producer)

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Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NBIO, and I do not believe being a producer for a notable band is an automatic WP:NMUSIC pass either. I could not locate sources with substantial coverage of Ratcliff. All sources cover him only peripherally, as a producer for a-Ha. The article is now primarily an autobiography. Would accept a redirect to a-Ha as an alternative to deletion. Jfire ( talk) 03:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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    I not only re- produced the final masters of 8 of the tracks on a-ha’s 15 million selling first album Hunting High and Low but I also discovered them in 1983 and kept them, gave them £thousands and helped secure a record deal with Warners. I managed them under contract from 1983 to 1993 and without my financial and creative input they would have returned to Norway and never been heard of again! How dare you propose to delete this article. I have nearly completed my autobiography which inevitably contains the entire story of how I rescued them when they had no money left and put them in my recording studio for 2 years without any return for another 12 months. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • agree that REDIRECT to a-Ha is appropriate. Most sources are primary references. The only third party references are more about a-Ha with this subject being mentioned tangentially. Otherwise, this article seems more promotional than anything else. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 18:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    How dare you presume! You know nothing. In 1983 a-ha came into my studio but ran out of money after 2 weeks. For the next 2 years I covered every housing cost., food cost and leisure costs out of my own pocket because I believed in their talent.I also let them have free studio time for 2 years during which we recorded and produced nearly all of the tracks on their first album. I became their manager in 1983 and their contract lasted with me until 1993!Their best 10 years to date. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I.will take legal action if you have the cheek to remove this article. My autobiography is almost finished detailing my entire 10 years managing the band and the consequences for both a-ha and myself. 200 million record sales for a start! If you want a copy of my management contract with a-ha just ask. I lost my house and marriage while supporting the band before their success. Buy my autobiography next year and you can read every detail. Nobody, nobody knows the ‘a-ha’ history better than I do. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Get your facts right. I discovered the band when they came into my studio and spent 2 weeks recording. I liked what I heard and when they ran out of time and money I supported them for 2 years before Take on Me became a bestseller.I was contractually their Manager from 1983 to 1993. I re-produced 8 out of 10 tracks on their first and most popular album Hunting high and Low. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: There are two decent sources on the article, both telling the story of the recording of "Take On Me": " Talking Away: A-Ha On The Making Of Take On Me" on The Quietus, and " Classic Tracks: A-ha 'Take On Me'" on Sound on Sound. There may be some claim to notability. However, the article subject badgering us and making legal threats on this deletion discussion makes it difficult for me to vote keep. Toughpigs ( talk) 02:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    If you are not going to allow this article to remain then you are ignoring the truth of the matter. I thought the truth was a basic necessity of a site that should only provide fact.I am only writing as a matter of principle. My lawyers will only reveal their legal expertise. Buy the album…my name is all over the sleeve. More times than the band members themselves 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To toughpig. I don’t give a damn - oh sorry..is that blasphemy? In this day and age? I am in no way making threats! I am merely standing up for myself and the truth.Who is your superior? Put him/her on to it before I wake up my lawyer and we can sort this out legally and properly. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I now understand the reason for your username. Well I am tough too but my lawyer is tougher, and very expensive as you will discover should this minuscule matter not be resolved satisfactorily. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To tough pig. It says you have ‘2 decent sources’. What better ‘source’ could you have but myself. I discovered, produced and managed ‘a-ha’ for 10 years from 1983 to 1993. I think my knowledge of this entire matter is inevitably going to be seen as the most accurate. Your organisation obviously listens hardest to those names you recognise. You don’t realise that it’s the people behind the names who have a far greater knowledge and understanding for detail than you ever will. Change your username….or is it your real name? I do apologise. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 03:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    It will be very easy for me to find out who you really are. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 03:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    217.137.18.193, stop your threats. WP:NLT and WP:OUTING are policies here. You can vent, and you can argue for this article to be kept, but you can't harass people. Jfire ( talk) 04:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Read my opening statements from the top again. Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I am not harassing anyone. I am merely pointing out that I am not ‘just’ their producer. I discovered them in 1983, kept, housed, fed and gave them my studio for 2 years,signed them to an extremely lucrative management contract for 5 years and then to a major deal with Warners. That is an awful lot more than ‘producing’ a track don’t you think? Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I was their manager from 1983 to 1993.I still get royalties!
    Why am I having to justify facts that are common knowledge in my industry? Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I saw your opening statement and I believe you when you say you've done all those things for the band and were important to their success. But saying things like "I will take legal action if you have the cheek to remove this article", "My lawyers will only reveal their legal expertise", "before I wake up my lawyer and we can sort this out legally", and "It will be very easy for me to find out who you really are" is not okay here. You need to avoid making statements that can be construed as legal threats or threats to reveal someone's identity.
    "Why am I having to justify facts that are common knowledge in my industry?" is a valid question. The answer is that one of the pillars of Wikipedia is that information here is verifiable: readers must be able to check that any information is not just made up. That means we can't rely on what's "common knowledge" in any industry unless it's been published in reliable sources somewhere. When your autobiography is published, we may be able to use it as a source in a-ha (depending on whether it is self-published or not). But we can't just rely on your own personal statements here, even if we believe them. Jfire ( talk) 04:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I apologise if you feel I was harassing you. ‘a-ha’ is a very sensitive subject for me. I gave up my home and lost my wife and young child on account of my involvement with a-ha. So it is a passionate and sensitive subject.
    I reiterate, I am very sorry to have upset you.
    John Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to a-ha (with merging in of any useful information) pending publication of the autobiography referred to by the 217 IP (who appears to be the same person as Johnratcliff?). If it gets reviews in reliable sources, the article can then be reinstated based on those in addition to the few good sources currently present. Notability is borderline at present, since it can't be inherited from the band (and since our criterion for an independent page is notability, not admiration). The article is an under-referenced BLP and the last paragraph is stylistically inappropriate: "PS ... John". But it may be rewritable from sources a year from now. Yngvadottir ( talk) 08:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per above, does not seem independently notable. Slatersteven ( talk) 09:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per Yngvadottir. I removed a lot of recent COI additions that were entirely unsourced. Those should not be in a BLP. What remains are 4 sources that I will throw into a source analysis table:
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Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.johnratcliff.com/john--a-ha No "In his own words". His own website. WP:SPS ? Reliable but self promotional Yes ✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20220521024623/https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/ha-take-me Yes Yes I believe it is. Didn't actually check. No He is mentioned in the source several times but there is no significant information about him ✘ No
https://thequietus.com/articles/18805-aha-hunting-high-and-low-take-on-me-review-anniversary Yes Yes No He is mentioned in the source several times but there is no significant information about him ✘ No
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01727601 Yes Yes No A primary source that says nothing about Ratcliffe in any case ✘ No
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However the redirect is reasonable as this is clearly someone who gets a mention regarding a-ha and is borderline notable. Although the above assessment covers what is in the page, there could be more secondary sources on him. However the name is quite common and searching is complicated by finding other notable Jonh Ratcliffes. I was not able to find any suitable coverage, but if multiple independent reliable secondary sources with sigificant coverage can be found, then, of course, this would be a notable subject for a page. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 10:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Redirect to a-ha: Not enough notability outside of a-ha to warrant an individual page. InDimensional ( talk) 11:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to a-ha. I haven't been able to find sources to support WP:GNG beyond those mentioned here, and none of those support a stand-alone article. Schazjmd  (talk) 16:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nkosana Makate

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Product of WP:BLP1E. Yes, the subject has been making the news in the past few months but this is all just 15 minutes of fame. WP:ATD, a redirect to Vodacom#"Please Call Me" would make sense. dxneo ( talk) 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment this case been in the news for years, not months. It has been extensively covered in WP:RS for that time. So the nomination description of it as “15 minutes of fame” is inaccurate. Makate may, or may not be notable in terms of WP:BLP1E but the case almost certainly is. Park3r ( talk) 03:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Park3r, the case may be notable. However, I don't think Nkosana Makate is, the article is composed of this particular case only. Opening statement says "…is a South African who proposed the "Buzz" idea to Vodacom", no description nor WP:SIGCOV, and back to the nom, this is a clear BLP1E. Until relevant sources are brought to light, I think redirecting the article to Vodacom is the way to go. dxneo ( talk) 04:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Not sure I understand the deletion rationale here. The case is definitely notable and as much as Nkosana Makate may not be notable but he definitely deserves a mention in the case because after all he is the central figure to the case. Also, seeing that most articles on Wikipedia are about Europe and U.S and there is a serious lack of African content (including content on languages) I think it would have been wise for you Dineo to be bold fix the issues on this article and go on to translate it to your mother tongue than tag it for speedy deletion. Wikimedia ZA is there to support African Wikimedian like yourself to increase African content and languages on Wikipedia. Please reach out to me on bobby.shabangu@wikimedia.org.za to talk more on how we can support you. Bobbyshabangu talk 18:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Bobbyshabangu, yes he may be the central figure but this is pure WP:BLP1E (meaning he's known for one event only) which is the deletion rationale here. I wouldn't have nominated it for deletion if there was something I could do to improve it. Nkosana Makate is already mentioned on Vodacom#Please Call Me. Note that your comment does not support your "keep" !vote in any way. dxneo ( talk) 19:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Vladimir Ivanov (model)

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Non-notable model, fails WP:NMODEL. Both references are from 2013 (one is broken). Doesn't seem to have his models.com profile updated since 2017. Does not meet wp:ANYBIO or wp:GNG. Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ebrahim Etemadi

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Ebrahim Etemadi likely doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Additionally, the mentioned sources might not be reliable enough. Waqar 💬 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Elias Huizar

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A defamatory article based on WP:OR with a non-free image improperly labeled as such and a subject that fails WP:GNG. Lettlre ( talk) 19:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy Delete/Convert - I feel like the shooter himself doesn't meet notability guidelines, but the event does, I feel like the article should be converted into something similar to 2014 Isla Vista killings, where the event itself is published, but not focused on the perp. Gonzafer001 ( talk) 21:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That's plausible Red Slash 16:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I concur, we should move the page to focus less on the perp, and more on the actual story. Gonzafer001 ( talk) 03:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete - WP:NOTNEWS, WP:BLP. Suspected murderer on the run, not yet captured by authorities. Also, the image of the suspect is not licensed for our use. — Maile ( talk) 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete G10/A7. Mccapra ( talk) 20:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Not a speedy. The copyrighted image can be removed. This article is not "entirely negative in tone and unsourced." (emphasis mine). It may be entirely inappropriate for Wikipedia, but CNN has covered it, so it's unreasonable to argue it's A7. Jclemens ( talk) 22:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I've removed the speedy tag and added a link to the CNN coverage. That doesn't mean I think this should be kept: it means I don't think any of our speedy deletion criteria apply. Jclemens ( talk) 03:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete/speedy delete per WP:NOTNEWS LegalSmeagolian ( talk) 00:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy keep - this neither is WP:OR (did you... read the references??), nor does it fail the WP:GNG based on the substantial news coverage. Red Slash 01:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The main source is a self-described zine that basically makes a bunch of allegations on a non-convicted individual. That's what I mean by OR. Lettlre ( talk) 17:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete To the above user, this article and its tone is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia ( WP:BLPBALANCE) and inappropriately POV, incredibly violating WP:PERP; as the subject has been caught there's no use for the article as-is currently. The picture has been removed due to a poor licensing rationale and as the image involves children in no way involved with the subject or the story, and a BLPBALANCE-violating title in itself. Nate • ( chatter) 02:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete as a WP:BLP violation. The article is almost completely unsourced contentious claims about a living person. Jfire ( talk) 02:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The BLP issues have been resolved, but this still fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRIME. Coverage is unlikely to be WP:SUSTAINED. Jfire ( talk) 04:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It is completely sourced. Red Slash 16:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment This is all over the news in the Northwest. He was tracked down and committed suicide. It's being presented on the news as factual including interviews with people he worked with. He isn't a living person but a recently deceased person so I realize BLP still applies. The name of the minor victim has not been included here or mentioned in the news but they spoke with her family. Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename to 2024 Yakima murder and child abduction case, or something similar. They issued an Amber Alert about this case in the middle of the night, and it has certainly been heavily covered, but I agree that naming the article after Huizar doesn't entirely make sense since nothing about him is notable except for his crimes. See WP:BLP1E (although he is dead it is still relevant). LonelyBoy2012 ( talk) 07:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Jeff Unaegbu

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I came about this article during clean up and saw it's contains a bit vague and non verifiable content. Taking into cleaning up, I became tired at the line seeing almost if not all the sources lacks editorial guidelines, perhaps doesn't go with our policy and guidelines for reliable sources.

On the other hand, apart from the quality percentage of primary sources linking to book that were self published in the platforms such as Amazon, etc., the article generally doesn't meet WP:GNG, no WP:SIGCOV, and it contains a bit hoaxes that were made (those like references/acclaims which I have removed when cleaning part of the article). The article in general doesn't conform with Wikipedia's inclusion for authors, journalist too—since he edited a magazine and has written for some magazines per the article. Lacks verifiable source and seem looking like a advert/promotional/vaguely constructed source, and more.

The books he wrote doesn't meet our guidelines for books, so we may try redirecting or WP:PRESERVE albeit there is nothing to be preserved here. I also discovered the previous AFD that reads 'no consensus', and it seems there were no improvement or rather say; the previous AFD seeking for clean up which I've did to some part and found no substantial need for the inclusion of this article. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ajay Raju

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Unremarkable lawyer, not known for any notable achievements in his field. Doesn't seem to be known for holding any academic or law journal positions, involvement in notable cases, etc. Reliable sources are mainly smaller local outlets (in the Philadelphia area). Bridget  (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Cheryl Epple

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The highest-held position is as an elected trustee/board president to Cerritos College. All references are based on death/obituary. Don't think she meets the threshold for WP:NPOL or wp:anybio. Notability is not inherited through marriage. Doesn't make any mention of business accomplishments. Internet search results are sparse. I suggest deletion or move to draft at minimum. Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Carlos Pesina

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Unreferenced article. No pre or post-wiki sig coverage. Being on the crew in a lot of video games does not automatically inherit notability. Wikipedia Library, Newspapers.com, and current Google search results in hardly any in-depth sig coverage. Passings mentions/brief coverage I could find from major pubs: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7- do not help passing GNG. X ( talk) 10:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Nothing has changed in the article since the previous discussion. There's no doubt he was part of the Mortal Kombat animation and motion capture, but there's still no indication of significant coverage of him. A much better case can be made for his brother, but notability is not inherited. Perhaps a case can be made for redirect or merge to the article on Daniel Pesina, but I'm not seeing the rationale for an individual article on Carlos. Papaursa ( talk) 01:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Still fails WP:BASIC, only passing mentions, no significant coverage. -- Mika1h ( talk) 12:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tayler Kane

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Unreferenced article with an IMDb external link. Pre-wiki coverage was hard to find, even a cursory Google search today shows nothing. Although the actor seems to have played several minor roles in notable shows, there's no significant coverage of him that I could find. If printed sources exist, one may list them. X ( talk) 09:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Renzo Vitale

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Highly promotional piece written by a UPE. PROD declined. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Iftikhar A. Ayaz

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:PRIMARY: "Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them." No secondary sources at all. AusLondonder ( talk) 07:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Speedy keep. Clearly meets WP:GNG. @ AusLondonder: Have added reliable secondary sources to the article now. Request withdrawal of AfD nomination. Cielquiparle ( talk) 21:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Of the sources you have added, I'm not sure a single one is actually significant coverage of him as an individual. One source is the Court Circular column in the Daily Telegraph which reports he awarded an Tuvalu Order of Merit to Prince William. Another article is about persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan which name-checks him. I'm not seeing this as meeting WP:BASIC: "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." AusLondonder ( talk) 14:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Adeseha Wuraola Becky

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. She has not starred in a single notable film; a Google search of her doesn't show her being discussed in reliable secondary sources. Most of the sources cited in the article are primary sources that involve the subject granting interviews to several publications. The article was previously deleted via an afd discussion, which can be seen here.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

You can't G4 on a prod/soft delete. Desertarun ( talk) 18:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The refs check out. She doesn't pass Nactor, nor does she need to because she passes both Basic and GNG. Desertarun ( talk) 18:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Shreyas Puranik

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Fails WP:GNG, appears not notable. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 16:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. As the creator of the article i would like to suggest keep, as it passes WP:MUSIC. The musical artist have received full fledged coverage from independent media sources for his work such as [4], [5], [6]. [7]. Further the artist also passes one of the criteria of winning or being nominated for a notable award, as he won the notable Filmfare R. D. Burman Award in the category of upcoming music talent. [8] [9]

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The above references are either paid placement or Press Releases. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 15:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Pass WP:MUSIC, Also, there are significant reliable sources availabe which talks about the subject. Grabup ( talk) 04:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Imaan Zainab Mazari

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She fails WP:GNG as there is no sources covering her in depth. The article is created based on recentism because she just received nominal coverage due to her few days arrest and she being the daughter of a notable politician Shireen Mazari. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment It seems a proper WP:BEFORE search was not conducted before nominating. As the creator of this BLP, It's natural that I prefer not to see it deleted. The BLP is well-sourced, contains no OR, and maintains a NPOV. I'll leave it to the community to decide. I can expand this page further as there's still more coverage on her, but I believe the community may agree that this BLP, in its current state, adequately demonstrates the subject meets WP:GNG. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 21:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete The article appears to rely heavily on sources that cover her in the context of recent events, particularly her arrests, rather than on her long-term significance as a human rights lawyer. The current state of the article may indeed be more appropriate for Wikinews, given its focus on recent events. Although she marginally satisfies the WP:GNG, the content is largely influenced by her brief detentions and her mother's political stature. Whereas, the criteria demand sustained and significant coverage, reflecting a subject’s lasting relevance.  samee   converse  02:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I find it surprising that you guys perceiving this as a RECENTISM issue. She has consistently received press coverage- both nationally and internationally- dating back as far as 2014 ( see this) which indicates that she passes WP:10YT. It's not a matter of receiving temporary blip of news coverage for a single incident or event, rather- it's a compilation of several incidents. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 08:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It's merely a brief mention, and even that's only in relation to her being Shireen Mazari's daughter. She states her mother had no objection to attend the protests. There is no mention of her own credentials in the source if she had any. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
My point is that she has been consistently covered in the news since 2014. In 2015 she received more press attention after being targeted by trolls on social media, a phenomenon not typically experienced by children of official or public figures in Pakistan. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 11:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
All the coverage from 2014/2015 you're referring to is primarily because she's Shireen Mazari's daughter. Reports focus on the novelty of her actions, such as voting for her mother's rival party or protesting against PTI affiliates who stormed PTV, rather than her qualifications. Perhaps she stood out as the only protestor who was child of a prominent figure on that particular day. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I'm not implying that this 2014/2015 press coverage is alone establishes her meeting the criteria of WP:GNG. The point is, she has been consistently receiving media attention since 2014. Anyways, to establish WP:GNG, we should focus on the sources present in the BLP itself, which I believe are sufficient. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 12:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I agree with Saqib that the sources are sufficient, and even the delete vote is acknowledging that the article meets the GNG. With general notability, sufficient sourcing, and a well-written article, what exactly is the problem here? rspεεr ( talk) 14:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
off topic discussion
@ Rspeer: personal disagreements. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 15:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It's ridiculous. I recently endorsed your nomination just a few days ago. If I had personal disagreements, I wouldn't have supported it. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But I didn't even mention your name. Isn't this ridiculous that you just recently created this BLP on a non-notable police officer, an unknown figure who just received some recent press attention. This a clear case of WP:RECENTISM. You cited a video source multiple time as a reference to back up claims in the Early Life and Education as well Career sections. Yet here, you even didn't care to do a proper WP:BEFORE search. This clearly suggest that you've some sort of issue with me which I'm trying my best to ignore. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 17:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Per WP:ANYBIO, award recipients are considered notable, video source is Geo News, a reliable source. You should assume good faith, you ignored the part in my previous comment where I showed you the evidence of my recent support for you. I did not even know that you were the creator until after AFD submission when I saw bot added message to your talk page in my watchlist. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
She did receive an award for the recent incident that garnered press attention, but this is falls under WP:RECENTISM. However, the WP:ANYBIO also states that receiving an award does not automatically confer notability. Regarding the citation of a Geo News video as a reference, it's important to note that this video is an interview, and thus a a primary source. Citing video interviews as reference could set a problematic precedent for BLP articles. Despite my efforts to AGF, it seems reciprocity is lacking. And as for your support vote, it was not solicited nor necessary. I find it difficult to believe your assertion that you were unaware this BLP was created by me. Following our disagreement on this BLP, you promptly nominated this for deletion. Therefore, Assume the assumption of good faith. Anyways, let's avoid further escalation on this matter, at least on this page. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 19:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep Regardless of the reasons (be it her detentions and her activities, or her parents), she has received lasting media coverage (not every coverage has to be sig/in-depth), and the sources present in the article, some of them are mostly fine and can be considered sig cov - with everyone here acknowledging she meets GNG/ WP:BASIC. X ( talk) 12:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mark Schulman (chess player)

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Subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV needed to meet the WP:GNG. The sources in the article are all databases, and a WP:BEFORE check only comes up with passing mentions such as [ [10]]. Let'srun ( talk) 18:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Notes. Not voting one way or the other at this stage, just noting that he represented a large country (Canada) at chess, and most of his activity was in the 1960s where sources are not so easy to find on the internet. He played in 3 Canadian Championships. His Elo rating on the first FIDE list in 1970 was 2260, and it seems he didn't play any rated games after that. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 07:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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There are several mentions of him in the Chess Life/ Chess Review archives at the USCF site ( https://new.uschess.org/chess-life-digital-archives), usually in connection with either the Canadian championship or the annual Minnesota vs Manitoba match (he was one of the top players from Winnipeg). I haven't found any 1960s Canadian chess publications digitized on-line. Still, he satisfies two of the informal WP:NCHESS criteria, having played in 3 Canadian championships (1963, 1965, 1969) and represented Canada at the Olympiad. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 01:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Leaning towards delete. I wanted to keep it, I really did, but in the end I couldn't justify it to myself. It's true that there are probably a lot of off-line sources from the 1960s, but he just doesn't really have enough achievements to get more than a few passing mentions in specialist chess publications. We haven't even confirmed a date of birth or death (chesstempo says he was born in 1934 but no better source found; a memorial tournament named after him was held in 2018). Playing in 3 Canadian championship ( https://www.bcchesshistory.com/canchslate.html) and 1 Olympiad ( https://www.olimpbase.org/players-ind/2/28e2amqe.html) doesn't really add up to notability since Canada has never been a major chess playing power, and his achievements in these events was a little underwhelming. His published FIDE rating of 2260, while not to be sneezed at, suggests that he was of below International Master strength. It appears he was strictly an amateur, a lawyer who only occasionally found the time to play competitively. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 02:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:NCHESS doesn't mention playing in a national championship, it mentions winning a national championship. And it doesn't mention playing in the Olympiad, it mentions earning a ... medal at an Olympiad. So, I don't think we can rescue this article. That said, I enjoyed learning these little tidbits about a Canadian chess player whom I had not otherwise heard of. Bruce leverett ( talk) 17:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
As noted elsewhere I found a DOB for him in the Chess Federation of Canada's 100th anniversary booklet by Daniel Yanofsky. I'll note here that he disappeared from the FIDE rating list on the January 2008 list, after being present in the October 2007 list, indicating a likely death in 2007. I've found references to a Winnipeg lawyer who is probably this person, but no obituary (he has a namesake from Maryland who also died in 2007, and another namesake who was P!nk's drummer). The lack of an online obituary does not bode well for notability. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 03:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ossanda Liber

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Sources mostly cover her in the context of her unsuccessful candidacies (of which in one she received 84 votes out of 109,350 cast). AusLondonder ( talk) 14:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: A unsuccessful political candidate that is not notable enough. BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions) 03:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: as PamD said being founder and president also makes me think she's notable
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Not sure how being the founder of a minor party which received 0.25% of the vote indicates notability. AusLondonder ( talk) 23:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

James Dring

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PROD requested, but denied for being Grammy nominated. However, WP:ANYBIO requires winning once, or being nominated multiple times. Is twice good enough? I read multiple as something greater than two. So, fails ANYBIO. Even more, none of the references pass WP:SIRS, so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NBIO. Sources are database entries and press releases. No significant coverage. Jfire ( talk) 16:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete — to add to what UtherSRG said, he was nominated for one Grammy, not two, together with four other people. Also, the article is by a banned sockpuppet and paid editor, which we shouldn’t reward. — Biruitorul Talk 18:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment As per this link [11], as well as the Grammy nomination, he has been nominated for a Golden Globe. Also - clearly WP:MUSICBIO applies here. Resonant Distortion 19:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep With named nominations for two three notable awards, that is sufficient to meet WP:MUSICBIO#8. There's also sufficient WP:RS to show the subject meets WP:COMPOSER#1. I have cleaned up the article including removing non-RS citations and adding several more, which may not be multiple lines in depth but do contribute per WP:BASIC, so any "whiff" of paid editor contribution no longer applies. Resonant Distortion 23:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment per the Billboard reference just added to the article - Dring was a named credit in the nomination of the Feel Good Inc. Grammy award. So he does have two Grammy nominations, plus the Golden Globe; I've updated my !vote. Resonant Distortion 15:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep Per ResonantDistortion. X ( talk) 20:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete also per WP:NOTINHERITED. Article is rife with the requisite heavy namedropping and coattailing (Jamie T in particular) in attempt to cover for lack of individual notability and weak press-release sourcing. Being nominated just once for a soundtrack song all the way back in 2010, signing an agreement, and his recent production for an unknown indie artist (Terra Twin) aren't enough for SIGCOV. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 00:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    (1) "all the way back in 2010" The date of the Grammy nomination is irrelevant as per WP:NTEMP, (2) Dring has been a Grammy nominee twice not once, the first in 2005, which is verified by a RS in the article, (3) The reason the article is "rife with the requisite heavy namedropping" is because the subject has made credited and verified contributions to a number of notable works, (4) two credited grammy nominations does rather indicate that notability by association does not apply, and (5) There are c. 14 words devoted to Jamie T, which does not appear undue, given that, for example, on the album Trick "sees Jamie T play all instruments alongside longterm collaborator James Dring" ( [12]). I know I am probably repeating myself, but WP:BASIC, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:COMPOSER all apply. Resonant Distortion 07:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete fails WP:MUSICBIO and fails WP:GNG. Can’t find independent reliable sources giving significant coverage. Contributor892z ( talk) 05:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Abdul Ameer

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This guy fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. A search seems to only one article with his name in it and it only covers him tangentially. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 23:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Rox De Luca

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Regrettably, I'm not seeing evidence that the subject passes WP:GNG/ WP:NARTIST. I hope to be proved wrong! IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 10:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment, there seem to be enough reputable sources on the page for notability. Will watch this discussion. Randy Kryn ( talk) 10:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, please let me know what is missing to make notability. louibu ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, considerable work has been done on this page since the AfD was posted. Can the discussion be closed and the notice removed? Louibu ( talk) 06:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm still not seeing evidence that the subject passes WP:NARTIST, so I won't be withdrawing the nomination. In particular, in my reading, the presented sources don't seem enough to constitute significant critical attention, nor is the subject's work represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, which seem the two easiest criteria for the subject to pass. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 08:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The discussion will run at least seven days. There is no reason present for a speedy close in either direction. Star Mississippi 13:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
          • Keep, evidence of the subject's work represented within permanent collections of several notable galleries has been added. Carolinephillips ( talk) 21:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
            What are these notable galleries, and where is the evidence? IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 22:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.roxdeluca.com/images/Gleaning_for_plastics_defying_wastefulness_by_Paul_Allatson_2020_.pdf Yes No This is a reupload on the subject's website of a blogspot article ( WP:SELFPUBLISH). No See WP:SELFPUBLISH. ✘ No
https://www.roxdeluca.com/index.php/artist-cv-curriculum-de-arte No This is the artist's CV. Yes See WP:ABOUTSELF. No See WP:ABOUTSELF. ✘ No
https://theculturetrip.com/pacific/australia/articles/sea-of-plastic-an-artists-quest-to-address-ocean-pollution Yes Yes Yes This is a travel guide website that ran an article on the artist. ✔ Yes
https://searchthecollection.nga.gov.au/object?keyword=anna%20de%20luca&searchIn=artistOrCulture&searchIn=title&searchIn=medium&uniqueId=127158 Yes Yes No Doesn't mention the subject; this is just the link to a painting by the subject's mother. ✘ No
https://gunyah.blogspot.com/search?q=rox+de+luca No This is a residency report from the subject itself on a blog. Yes See WP:ABOUTSELF. No See WP:ABOUTSELF. ✘ No
https://www.artshub.com.au/news/features/artists-giving-materials-a-new-life-2512531/ Yes Yes ~ This is a fairly short mention; the subject is not the main focus of the article, but is quoted, with some commentary on their work. ~ Partial
Millner, Jacqueline; Moore, Catriona (2022). Contemporary art and feminism. New York: Routledge. p. 193. Yes Yes Yes Offline source, accepting in good faith: according to the block quotation, this is a paragraph mention in the book. ✔ Yes
Brennan, Anne (1 December 1997). "Beyond reason: Jo Darbyshire and Rox De Luca". Eyeline. 35: 22–24. Yes Yes Yes Offline source, accepting in good faith, though the title suggests this may be an interview. ✔ Yes
https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/bitstream/10453/45398/2/The%20Transcultural%20Edge.pdf Yes Yes Yes A paragraph mention on the subject and their work. ✔ Yes
Allatson, Paul (1996). "Men and Mettle". Artlink. 16 (1): 24–26. Yes Yes Yes Offline source, accepting in good faith. ✔ Yes
https://www.gq.com.au/style/trends/the-style-download-15324/image-gallery/a1114634ed7db996d49f80ed40e73536 Yes Yes Yes Very short mention of the subject and one of their works. ✔ Yes
https://www.projectvortex.org/ No This is a project with which the artist is associated. Yes No Name doesn't even feature in the source. ✘ No
https://www.artshub.com.au/news/reviews/review-deakin-university-contemporary-small-sculpture-award-2018-256473-2360787/ Yes Yes No Very short, one-sentence mention of the subject and one of their works, which to me constitutes a trivial mention. ✘ No
https://www.unsw.edu.au/news/2017/07/the-inaugural-ravenswood-australian-womens-art-prize--finalists Yes Yes No Just the subject's name is mentioned. ✘ No
https://www.artshub.com.au/news/sponsored-content/turning-waste-into-art-is-a-community-affair-261135-2368551/ Yes Yes No Just the subject's name is mentioned. ✘ No
https://www.woollahragallery.com.au/Artists/Artist-in-Residence/Rox-de-Luca No This is her biography as an artist-in-residence, almost certainly written by the subject. Yes No See WP:ABOUTSELF. ✘ No
https://www.deakin.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/2192259/deakin_university_art_collection_artists.pdf Yes No No Just the subject's name is mentioned. ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.
Your mileage may vary, but to me, these sources, assessed together, do not demonstrate that WP:GNG is met. In particular, we have only one "chunky" piece that focuses on the artist, while the rest are either borderline trivial mentions or the artist and their work are discussed, in no more than a paragraph, as a subtopic. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 10:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, the source analysis shows that sufficient sources have been obtained to reach GNG. Randy Kryn ( talk) 11:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh ( talk) 13:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep IMO WP:BASIC is marginally met. X ( talk) 13:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Consort Chen Farong

Consort Chen Farong (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No refs on the page for many years. Not seeing useful refs but they may exist in other languages. At present there are various claims on the page which should be removed per WP:V JMWt ( talk) 09:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and China. JMWt ( talk) 09:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Having written this a long time ago, I agree that it could and should be sourced better. However, as the mother of an emperor of a large state, she is inherently notable. -- Nlu ( talk) 18:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Nlu, any chance you remember what sources you used to write it? -- asilvering ( talk) 04:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 11:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete reluctantly. I don't see the sources. There's a paragraph in the Southern History [13] that discusses her. But secondary sources in English seem to be absent, and those in Chinese appear (I'm skimming here) to mainly be from Chinese Wikipedia or Baidu Baike or scrapes of those articles, or to be brief mentions in articles on her son. Oblivy ( talk) 03:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
(Redacted) 223.204.68.123 ( talk) 08:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I've redacted the comment. Thank you for your research on the sources below and for improving the article. These sources were difficult to find since it required four searches (the subject's two Chinese names and in the traditional and simplified Chinese representations of those names). It is not surprising that editors did not find sources. Oblivy does lots of good searches for sources for AfDs and is one of AfD's more thoughtful participants. Cunard ( talk) 09:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources
    1. Chen, Huaxin 陈华新 (1992). 中国历代后妃大观 [A Grand View of Chinese Concubines Through the Ages] (in Chinese). Shenzhen: Shenzhen Publishing House [ zh. p. 168. ISBN  9787805424675. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "陈法容发生性关系,于 469 年(宋明帝泰始五年)生了皇三子刘准(后来的宋顺帝) , 471 年封刘准为安成王,晋陈法容为昭华。 472 年明帝死,陈昭华为安成王太妃。 477 年刘准即位为宋顺帝,陈氏为皇太妃。 479 年顺帝禅位,萧道成称帝,建立齐朝,宋亡。陈法容被废去皇太妃称号。她大概死于齐朝初年。"

      From Google Translate: "Chen Farong had sexual relations and gave birth to the third son of the emperor Liu Zhun (later Emperor Shun of the Song Dynasty) in 469 (the fifth year of Taishi reign of Emperor Ming of the Song Dynasty). In 471, Liu Zhun was granted the title of King Ancheng, and Chen Farong of the Jin Dynasty was granted the title of Zhaohua. When Emperor Ming died in 472, Chen Zhaohua became Princess Ancheng. In 477, Liu Zhun ascended the throne as Emperor Shun of the Song Dynasty, and Chen became the imperial concubine. In 479, Emperor Shun ascended the throne, Xiao Daocheng proclaimed himself emperor, established the Qi Dynasty, and the Song Dynasty fell. Chen Farong was deprived of the title of Crown Princess. She probably died in the early years of the Qi Dynasty."

    2. 皇后妃嫔传 [The Queen's Concubines] (in Chinese). Hainan: Hainan Publishing House [ zh. 1994. pp. 126–127. ISBN  9787805907451. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes on page 126: "陈法容,生卒年不详,宋明帝的昭华。... 明帝的陈昭华名叫法容。"

      From Google Translate: "Chen Farong, whose birth and death dates are unknown, was born in Zhaohua, Emperor Ming of the Song Dynasty. ... Emperor Ming's Chen Zhaohua was named Farong."

      The book notes on page 127: "顺帝就是桂阳王刘休范的儿子,以陈昭华为母亲。明帝去世后,陈昭华被拜为安成王太妃。顺帝即位,进封陈昭华为皇太妃。顺帝将皇帝位禅让后,陈昭华被取消了皇太妃的称号。(赵元译)【原文】明帝陈昭华讳法容,丹阳建康人也。"

      From Google Translate: "Emperor Shun was the son of King Liu Xiufan of Guiyang, and his mother was Chen Zhaohua. After the death of Emperor Ming, Chen Zhaohua was worshiped as Princess Ancheng. Emperor Shun ascended the throne and granted Chen Zhaohua the title of Crown Princess. After Emperor Shun abdicated the throne, Chen Zhaohua was revoked from the title of Crown Princess. (Translated by Zhao Yuan) [Original text] Chen Zhaohua, Emperor Ming, was a native of Jiankang in Danyang."

    3. Dan, Bo 淡泊 (2006). 中华万姓谱 [Genealogy of Chinese Surnames] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Archives Publishing House [ zh. p. 1438. ISBN  9787801666819. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "陈法容( ? ~ ? ) ,女,南朝宋丹阳建康人。宋明帝昭华。宋顺帝即为陈法容所抚养。宋顺帝即位,进为皇太妃。"

      From Google Translate: "Chen Farong (? ~ ?), female, was born in Jiankang, Danyang, Southern Song Dynasty. Zhaohua, Emperor Ming of the Song Dynasty. Emperor Shun of the Song Dynasty was raised by Chen Farong. Emperor Shun of the Song Dynasty ascended the throne and became the imperial concubine."

    4. Tang, Xiejun 唐燮军 (2007). 六朝吴兴沈氏及其宗族文化探究 [Research on the Shen Family and Their Clan Culture in Wuxing During the Six Dynasties] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Social Sciences Press. p. 371. ISBN  9787500465034. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "考中華書局點校本《宋書·后妃·明帝陳昭華傳》云"

      From Google Translate: "According to the "Book of Song·Concubine·Ming Emperor Chen Zhaohua Biography" compiled by Zhonghua Book Company, it says"

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Chen Farong ( simplified Chinese: 陈法容; traditional Chinese: 陳法容), also known as Chen Zaohua ( Chinese: 陈昭华), to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability".

    Cunard ( talk) 08:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

'Keep happy to see this article kept, and it's justified based on the discussion in Southern History, the Chen Huaxin article and the lesser treatment in 皇后妃嫔传. Per WP:NBASIC we can combine multiple sources with less substantial treatment for biographical articles. Oblivy ( talk) 09:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. The issues raised in the debate (promo and such) can be addressed by careful editing. Randykitty ( talk) 07:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Zoran Kalabić

Zoran Kalabić (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article is written in a blattantly promo way WP:PROMO. While there are some resources, there is a problem of WP:SNG, since most available resources are very promo-like, and there is no secondary and reliable coverage. After an online research, most available resources lack of independency and are written in a blatant way to promote this person, and most of these resources in a similar way are presented in his website: https://zorankalabic.com/biography/. It should be noted that there is a weird editing history, since the main editor created almost entirely a few months ago both the English and Serbian Wikipedia articles of this person, having a very minimal presence in editing other articles of Serbian people. Lately, the templates with notability issues were removed without any valid explanation, and the photos that are blatantly promo and were initially removed, were restored. Apart from notability issues with lack of reliable and independent resources, there may be a strong problem of WP:COI. Chiserc ( talk) 08:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep this is quite strange request here. Article is not promo, as there is nothing in it to make it like that. Subject is notable and i already explained that i have seen this person on television receiving highest medal of Republic of Serbia after some large donation to the hospital, and wanted to create article as it was incredible for me the person of such importance does not have article on Wikipedia. Some parts of the article were edited and fixed by other editors that actually wanted to contribute instead of this user who only insisted to tag the article and inform others to delete it, without actually working on article. That is normal way of working on article. Notability is without questions no problem at all, many sources are top level independent news agencies of the world so nominator also misrepresented sources quality. Photos were not deleted because they were promo, that is another blatant lie by nominator but because it took some time to confirm original ownership of them by website where i found them. When that was done they were restored as in many other articles. In the end article history shows only good proper editors who are actually trying to make article of this notable person better, and nominations without any proper Wikipedia work which fails good faith guideline, making false accusations about original author of the article. Also, templates with notability issues are not intended to indefinitely tag the articles, but to make explanation that further work is needed. Bit if none is actually trying to fix the article and tags are standing there for weeks without any further comment on talk page or edit, wiki guidelines allow them to be removed. You are not allowed just to restore them and never to point in detail what do you find problematic with this article. I feel that I should protect the article I wanted to create but not because I have COI, i dont, but because this person received highest awards by several countries and donated to many causes, which make it more then valuable and notable addition to Wiki. It baffles me is there anything else behind this request as most of the things article is nominated for are actually misrepresented, also having in mind nominator agenda to delete it for quite some time. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 06:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete no significant coverage from reliable sources Good day— RetroCosmos talk 19:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    User:RetroCosmos, Most important national public news services of European countries are very much reliable sources. Talking like Radio television of Serbia for example, there isn't anything more important and reliable than that. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 18:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Sources that appear to be should not be acceptable for the purposes of establishing notability Good day— RetroCosmos talk 21:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete Initial reaction is Delete. Article is a gushing account of this subject. Definitely MOS:PEACOCK. In conjunction with the simultaneous creation of English and Serbian articles, and a block of photos going up on Commons (lifted straight off subject's own website, with release emailed to VRT by the subject - WP:COI much?), this has the feeling of a PR job. Also the fact that the Wikidata Description was "one of the most successful Serbian businessmen in the diaspora" instead of a more appropriate "Serbian businessman". HOWEVER, this is only a Weak Delete. There might be a case to keep given that there appears to be a legit and (minorly) notable award in the Order of Karađorđe's Star. I'm mindful of WP:Globalise - I would not expect a lot of coverage in English language media and a lack of a profile in the BBC or NYT does not imply a lack of notability! Coverage in Serbian or German would also be acceptable. In that case though, this article needs an end-to-end rewrite to encyclopaedic style ( WP:MOS). About 30% of it needs to go, and the rest needs to be backed up by independent cites, not the subject's personal website. Hemmers ( talk) 15:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Hemmers is there a way to ask you to change your mind to week keep? I will be more then willing to follow your guidelines and to make article better, but he is really notable in more than a few countries following his donations and support. I find out about him over news following his donation of equipment to children's hospital, and it was incredible to me that such a person does not have Wikipedia article. There isn't anything of those things you mentioned. I was the one who took the photos from website because I found them there, and wanted to make article better as other articles look better with images. There are many important news services publishing about him, including central national ones like Radio Television of Serbia. Would be more then interested in fixing the article, even if it would be smaller, but i cannot understand why would we delete notable subject just because some of the content is not ok. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 18:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    P.S. wikidata description was the first sentence of the article, but that was deleted after other users explained it to me that we cannot use "big words" in articles. I didnt know that, and that's why it was like that. Please assume good faith, i didn't mean anything bad, and its not promotion, i just wanted to create nice article for someone who created many good things for many countries. That is my only motivation. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 18:23, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The difficulty is that I have searched for sources using google.at, google.rs and google.sr in an attempt to find additional coverage. Each search (for both Zoran Kalabić and Зоран Калабић) returns very few results, at the top of which are these wikipedia articles and the subject's personal website and social media.
    Whilst he does have the Order, this is not itself enough to establish notability. There are lots of people who do a great deal of philanthropic work, appear in local media and even get an MBE (in the UK). But they don't all get an article. WP requires sustained and substantial coverage which I am struggling to see.
    I am open to the idea that there is coverage which has not been indexed by google (because their coverage of non-English material is often flaky, particularly for Cyrillic and other non-Latin scripts), and that is why I am wary of deleting articles for subjects covered by those languages simply because Google does not trivially surface a load of English-language sources. There are undoubtedly many notable Serbs, Kenyans, Indonesians and Malay who are omitted from Wikipedia because native-English speakers are notoriously bad at foreign languages.
    Nonetheless, you need to bring those sources to bear, because I am increasingly unsure that they exist. A mention in RTS is not notable (everyone who receives an MBE is listed in The Times, but that does not automatically earn them an article). Likewise several of the sources are basically press releases or interviews - not substantial independent coverage. Hemmers ( talk) 10:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes, there are many more sources in Serbian I didn't included in the article, but I will list you here and add an article more if that will help, now I understand it will. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 10:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I don't understand why this article is nominated for deletion. It is quite relevant; this person is a well-known public figure. The article has reliable sources, and it is generally well written; there is no need to delete it. If someone is missing something, they can add or edit it. Bandzimir ( talk) 14:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    it is generally well written "generally" is doing quite a bit of heavy lifting there Good day— RetroCosmos talk 14:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I tend to agree with Hemmers that the only minor and possible aspect that may imply some notability is the Order of Karađorđe's Star. However, I have checked that these state awards and orders have been given by President of Serbia to many people, and, only during the last very few years, hundreds of institutions and people have taken this or even a higher state order - check the website: https://www.predsednik.rs/predsednik/ukazi-o-odlikovanjima. For this reason, while this award can indeed establish some notability, I see that this one fact cannot validate the notability of WP:ANYBIO for a well-known and significant award or honor, especially if the article continues to be a WP:SOAPBOX. Chiserc ( talk) 16:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm sorry but this is again very misleading I don't understand why are you doing this. The list you sent is a general list of all state awards that have been given by president, every single metal and awarded that was given throughout the years. That does not imply that quantity diminished quality, as it is one more lie in this nomination. Only 10 was given for entire year for entire country. So this award recived by this person is by far something important as it is for other countries. Please stop with this anti propaganda. Article is NOT the soap, and you have never pointed anything that is wrong with the article but you just keep repeating and tagging it without any proper explanation this is actually disruptive editing. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 20:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Article should stay since there is sufficient evidence that he is a public figure, but it should be reduced to appropriate size. For example, two photos from ERA events are absolutely not needed. One is more than enough. Parts of some sentences like "and is currently preparing for a doctorate" (Why is this relevant?) and "After a series of successful business years" (What's the evidence?) really make this article look like a PR project. Whoever wrote this should take care of it. But I still think that article should not be deleted. Tresnjevo ( talk) 07:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Thank you for your productive comments, i will fix and delete all of those great guidelines you pointed out. This means a lot to me to understand editing style, thank you. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 09:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep: I believe this meets WP:ANYBIO#1, for Order of Karađorđe's Star. I don't agree that this one fact cannot validate the notability of WP:ANYBIO for a well-known and significant award or honor, especially if the article continues to be a WP:SOAPBOX; notability is a property of the subject, not the article. Furthermore, I agree with Pane.Vino.Wiki that this has been a disruptive, not a collaborative process. No one should be saying things like if the main author does not fix these issues, I will aggressively delete the offending texts. -- asilvering ( talk) 03:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Prince Nicolas of Sweden, Duke of Ångermanland

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I am nominating this article for failing to prove notability by WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. This is an 8-year-old child and should be redirected and merged into the parent article until such a time there is independent notability.

Move to restore redirect to Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland#Marriage and children section. Similar to Princess Leonore, Duchess of Gotland (9th in line for Succession to the Swedish throne). Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Again, all Royals and those of Scandinavias children have separate articles. Why should the Swedish royals be any different. Still passes WP:GNG. BabbaQ ( talk) 06:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. He is independently notable. His titles as prince and duke belong to him, not to his parents. The deletion of Princess Laetitia Maria of Belgium was probably a mistake. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Eastmain - it was likely not a mistake. A great number of adolescent children of nobility redirected to their parents regardless of their title/station. As noted above, please see previous AFDs of children of nobility. Additionally, King Gustaf's grandchildren no longer have royal titles (albeit a bit more nuanced). Just being a noble is not automatic notability (see the failed WP:NR discussion). Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    This is where most of you have it wrong including the Harpe Bazzer article cited the child of prince Carl Philip and Princess Madeleine only lost their styles of His/Her Royal Highness but they are still prince(s) and Princess (s) of Sweden, Duke(s) and Duchesses and still in the line of succession [1] they are listed by the royal court of Sweden as members of the royal family and are not required to perform any duties incumbent of the head of state Ug culture ( talk) 05:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    [2] Ug culture ( talk) 06:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per nom. The fact that this article contains no information about his life since his christening suggests that he is probably not in the public spotlight. In fact, he and his sisters have had their royal status downgraded since they were born; since 2019, they no longer have the style of "royal highness" and are no longer considered members of the Royal House, although they remain princes and princesses and members of the Royal Family. [14] Practically speaking, this means that as adults they will be expected to pursue careers outside royal duties rather than being paid by the monarch from government funds. (That's not mentioned in this article, but is mentioned at the redirect target.) If, in the future, Nicolas does go into the public spotlight, whether as a socialite or as anything else, the article can be re-created at that time. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    His grandfather's sisters(The Haga princesses) are nolonger members of the royal house and their articles are in existence.why then should articles of those who is in the line of succession be deleted and members who are not be retained Ug culture ( talk) 05:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The criterion we use is not "Is this person in the line of succession?" but rather "Do we have enough significant coverage of the person in reliable independent sources to warrant an article?". Among persons related to monarchs, there may be some who are excluded from the succession but remain public figures and thus generate significant coverage, while others may be in the line of succession but out of the public eye at least for now (particularly young children). -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    And that is an approach that can be strongly questioned. Princes and princesses of reigning royal families are per definition important persons who warrant their own articles. Therefore, this article should be kept, and the deleted articles of his siblings and cousins should be reinstated. Marbe166 ( talk) 09:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    if we are to go by this then Former Monarch of Denmark's grandchildren (prince Joachim's children) whose titles have been taken away and they do not generate significant coverage their articles have not been withdrawn and like Marbe166 said the deleted articles of prince Nicolas's siblings and his cousins should be reinstated Ug culture ( talk) 19:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  1. ^ https://www.kungahuset.se/english/royal-house. {{ cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= ( help)
  2. ^ https://people.com/royals/princess-madeleine-and-prince-carl-philips-kids-were-stripped-of-their-royal-titles-by-the-king/. {{ cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= ( help)
  • Keep addendum: over 4 000 hits in Mediearkivet Retriever [ sv. Okay, some of them are about the Greek prince and the remainder is ~90% gossipy tabloids, which still leaves a couple of hundred hits in Swedish mainstream newspapers. I don't buy that we should have special rules for the nobility, it's the 21st century after all, but neither should anti-royalist sentiments cloud our judgement. Draken Bowser ( talk) 09:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC) ( talk) 07:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect. Articles shouldn't be recreated in violation of a previous community discussion. There's insufficient here for a standalone article at present. Celia Homeford ( talk) 10:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Grandson of a ruling monarch and meets WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect First, I can't see how he meets WP:GNG. In many AfD discussions the phrase "Meets WP:GNG" seems to be just an elaborate WP:VOTE. If you think that he falls into WP:GNG, please explain why, otherwise your contribution does not provide much progress into a discussion. Second, please refer to the 2020 AfD discussion. If you want to reach a different consensus, you should explain what changed since then. Third, just beeing related to someone notable, like a ruling monarch, does not mean automatic notability, see WP:BIORELATED. -- Theoreticalmawi ( talk) 17:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect: Titles are not, and should not be, part of the criteria for NBASIC. All of the coverage is about him as a relation to his parents and even then a lot of them are just photo galleries which do not amount to substantial coverage, which is to be expected as a christening is a pretty routine event - so they do not meet GNG by my reckoning. I don't know what is meant by Marbe166 saying per definition important persons who warrant their own articles, what definition is this refering to? Being an heir to anything shouldn't confer notability since notability is not inhereted. It is reasonble to assume that there will be coverage of this subject once he grows up, but since that's in the futre there's no good reason to have an article at the moment. ---- D'n'B- t -- 17:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Restore redirect to Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland#Marriage and children: Per Nom. Lacks notability. Wikipedia is not a genealogy outlet nor is notability of royal households inherited (Example: Just being the grandson of a ruling monarch is not a stepping stone to an article), See WP:BLPFAMILY. Lacks significant, reliable, and independent coverage for a stand alone article. Bringing in that other stuff exists means there might be more AFD's needed. Notability (royalty) is a failed proposal. It states: "Anyone who was, at one point, an official member of a ruling family of a country is considered notable", which is against current community consensus. There is no compelling evidence that anything changed since consensus for the redirect. The people magazine source stated they "lost their official HRH (His/Her Royal Highness) titles" and further, "will no longer be members of The Royal House". The parents of the children involved all made statements they support the Kings decision so their children can have more privacy. Wikipedia should honor this for children. -- Otr500 ( talk) 06:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I strongly agree with this. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 14:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per precedent ( WP:OUTCOMES). What's good for Great Britain is good for Sweden. Bearian ( talk) 12:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • The relevant section of WP:OUTCOMES -- which isn't even a policy or guideline anyway -- doesn't particularly support keeping this article. It says, "The descendants of monarchs or nobles, especially deposed ones, are not considered notable for this reason alone. The principle that Wikipedia articles are not genealogical entries is often mentioned in this context. But persons who are active in their capacity as a member of a royal house or as a holder of a title of nobility will often receive media coverage for it, which may help establish their notability according to the general notability guideline." (See WP:MONARCH.) Prince Nicolas, as an 8-year-old child, is not exactly "active" in the capacity of a member of a royal house. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect: Redirect to mother and revdel everything. Nicolas is a non-public figure, a child that has done nothing notable, and the only coverage about him is from royal-watching tabloid publications. The keep votes basically amount to "he has a royal title" or "he's in a royal family", but there's no SNG that says every royal gets a page no matter what. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Comment: Several of the keep !votes above rely on the fact that other article exist and that we'd also have to delete other articles if this one is deleted. WP:WHATABOUTX is a bad argument because we evaluate each article on its individual merits, not in reference to what other articles we may or may not have. Those !votes should be completely discounted. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 14:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Further comment: Otr500 provides a great reason for REVDEL here: these children are no longer in the line of succession and the press coverage is about them existing, not about them doing anything notable. Our policies (BLP) require that we respect the privacy of these children. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 14:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. One look at Swedish-language sources shows that the guy gets sufficient coverage to warrant an article. Cortador ( talk) 06:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per nom. DrKay ( talk) 07:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mehr Hassan

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Fails WP:Notability Wikibear47 ( talk) 17:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep: Has been in multiple films that seem to have wikipedia articles of their own. As per: WP:ARTIST, criteria 3, that should probably be enough.
also, seems like this is the 3rd nomination. User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete: The newspapers used now in the article for sourcing are all there is for this person; I don't see notability beyond the local level. I can't find any mention of them otherwise. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The fact she has been seen on multiple movies which has a wikipedia page doesn't qualify her to have a wikipedia page. This is just like the case of Lucy Grantham (2nd nomination). The subject Mehr Hassan fails WP:GNG. Her first AFD which was keep was just a two vote of keep which was still saying because she appeared in a movie. No independent reliable source, No award won or being nominated as an actress or dancer. I really don't see anything notable. -- Meligirl5 ( talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable films. The Louisville Courier article too makes a case for notability. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Does having just one reliable source qualifies a person of having a Wikipedia page?

Hassan started her dancing career as a stage performer in the United States.

How do we believe such statement with no reliable source.?-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 00:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Soft Keep. WP:NACTOR appears to hold here for now, although perhaps the articles for the films she starred should be reviewed for their notability. The bottom line is that long as those films are notable, she is, if barely. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 16:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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François Mathieu

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Fails WP:GNG & WP:NARTIST. Gedaali ( talk) 02:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. There are other potentially notable people with this name, including fr:François Mathieu, a French senator, as well as a Quebec sculptor. I don't see an article about this painter in the French Wikipedia. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 15:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Leopoldo Soto Norambuena

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Article is based entirely on work by the subject and has no evidence of third-party notability. Almost identical to article previously speedy deleted and salted as Leopoldo Soto * Pppery * it has begun... 18:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Henry Hereford

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about an actor, and added a reference to his employer's website; but cannot find significant coverage in reliable sources, and do not think he meets WP:NACTOR. Tacyarg ( talk) 13:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Not an article for deletion - definitely meets the criteria for actor. Multiple credits in major film and tv shows. 2600:1700:4640:E70:ECCA:5D5:421E:ECB4 ( talk) 13:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Not sure what you mean by "employer". Henry is an established actor having been on several films and TV shows as referenced in IMDB and trade magazines. There is no reason this page would be deleted. Thefilmsorcerer ( talk) 22:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Fails GNG or NACTOR. A 21st-century actor and yet yields no results in Google News tells a lot. General searches also did not produce anything of use. Other than 1-2, the used refs aren't about him rather the films/shows he's starred in. X ( talk) 05:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Michele Fitzgerald

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Notable for only winning Survivor: Kaôh Rōng. I think her runner-up finish in Survivor: Winners at War doesn't have enough depth or substantial coverage to be as equally notable as her Survivor win, despite being highly focused there. Same can be said about her appearances in The Challenge, where she hasn't yet won. I don't think she qualifies for WP:NENT either. Must be redirected to Survivor: Kaôh Rōng per WP:BIO1E (if WP:BLP1E doesn't apply), WP:PAGEDECIDE, or WP:BIODELETE. George Ho ( talk) 01:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I think more independent reliable source are needed.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 09:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    How do independent reliable sources make BLP1E or BIO1E inapplicable? Even meeting WP:N or GNG would not outweigh the topic's potential failures to comply with the project's policy toward such biographies, but I bet you disagree, eh? George Ho ( talk) 09:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I clearly understood she was only notable because she won in a notable event. But I can’t say delete or keep because the biography tells more than just the notable event but fails providing sources to meet WP:GNG. So I just had to suggest an opinion that could help to meet WP:GNG. Other editors are welcome to say what they feel.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 11:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Oppose deletion because of her performance in both of her Survivor seasons, but I agree more independent reliable sources are needed. JohnAdams1800 ( talk) 20:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Meligirl5 and JohnAdams1800: What are your thoughts on redirecting the article to Survivor: Kaôh Rōng, an alternative to deletion? George Ho ( talk) 20:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Semzi

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Fails WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER. Sources are either passing mentions, interviews, PRs, or not even mentioning the subject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 11:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep: I'm almost certain the award nominations are notable, but we still need better sourcing for more biographical information. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    More research would be done to support article with more sourcing for biographical information. The subject is quite a notable individual with just probably limited press publications ReoMartins ( talk) 18:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ ReoMartins Well, now you’re taking. As far as I know, there are a lot of notable people in real life who can’t a Wikipedia entry because they don’t meet the necessary Wikipedia notability criteria. Wikipedia’s notability is not exactly real world notability. The current status of this article doesn’t meet up, not that they’re not notable or influential in real life. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 19:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. The subject does not meet any criteria outlined in WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited in the article actually discuss the subject. His nominations at the Beatz Awards aren't enough to justify a stand-alone article.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 15:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep: I agree with Oaktree B that this is a weak keep due to the award nominations. His other sources are weak. Maxcreator ( talk) 03:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Draftify: and mark as promised. Majority of the sources in the article doesn't meet SIGCOV and while the awards merits notability: it's still not much for a standalone entry on Wikipedia. I will remove some sources that didn't add to notability. For my vote (if draftified) can be marked as "promising", since there is a partial way to notability in the future! Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 20:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/02/bad-boy-timz-is-one-of-nigerias-best-singers-ive-worked-with-semzi/amp/ Yes Was talking about the subject Yes Vanguard is reliable per WP:NGRS ~ Much like an about music interview ~ Partial
https://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/weekend-beats/producing-songs-for-davido-mayorkun-the-highlight-of-my-career-so-far-semzi/ Yes Ditto Yes Guardian Nigeria is reliable per WP:NGRS No Normally, Weekend Beats sounds like PR ✘ No
https://the49thstreet.com/49th-exclusive-semzi/ Yes Above No Blog sites No Interview and blog post ✘ No
https://pan-african-music.com/en/nigerian-producers-2022/ ~ A list that mentions articles, more of featuring, no PR here ~ See editorial No List ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/review-dj-consequence-vibes-from-the-future/jhle44r No No mention Yes Per WP:NGRS No No mention ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timzs-mj/ No No mention Yes Ditto No No mention ✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/11/nicki-minaj-nas-ifeanyi-adeleke-feature-on-davidos-a-better-time-album/ No No metion Yes Per above No No mention of the subject ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/mayorkun-features-victony-on-holy-father/jbrp0lg No Ditto Yes See above No No mention ✘ No
https://www.okayafrica.com/joeboy-drops-new-music-album/ No No mention Yes Okay Africa is reliable No Applied same as above ✘ No
https://www.morebranches.com/omah-lay-couples-with-more-emotions-on-the-deluxe-version-of-boy-alone/ No No mention No Not a reliable source, blog or PR No Same as above ✘ No
https://guardian.ng/life/listen-ajebo-hustlers-featuring-fave-in-love/ No Mention! Yes Why not? No More like PR—get away magazine mention; just mention ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timz-serves-new-visuals-for-faya-from-empires-where-we-come-from-vol-1-compilation-album/ No Passing mention Yes Per WP:NGRS No Inherent mention ✘ No
https://www.max1023.fm/boy-spyce-releases-new-single-relationship/ No Les or no mention Yes Max FM is a Lagos based television channel No Inherent notability only on Boy Source ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/no-bad-boy-no-party-highlights-significant-moments-in-bad-boy-timzs-journey/ No Passing mention Yes Culture custodian is a reliable source No Still on production. Inherent notability ✘ No
https://soundcity.tv/afropop-sensation-bad-boy-timz-unveils-debut-album-no-bad-boy-no-party/ No Focuses on Bad Boy Time, a Nigerian artist Yes Sound City TV is a Nigerian television music channel No Focus lacking on the subject ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/victony-features-14-artists-on-new-song-ohema/8988dbp No Passing mention Yes Like above No Doesn't meet notability ✘ No
https://randr.ng/nominations-list-the-beatz-award-2021/ No List No Rhythm and Rhyme is a blog site No List ✘ No
https://thebeatzawards.com/winners-perfecto/ ~ List Yes For the award but not for other citations No Being nominated doesn't mean notability. Per WP:ENT, the subject must have been nominated multiple times of a major award ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.
  • Delete: After analysis of the source above, I was convinced of the many "passing mentions", "no mention" and more generated in citing sources relating to PR. Nothing to draftify again. It doesn't meet WP:THREE for sources, WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCER. Each of the sources either mention, or not at all, or about a music one of an artist he had worked for previously. Delete is the "best" alternative. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 13:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
In one of the discussions and sources, it submits an evidence about this act who just recently co-produced a track that has over ten credible and notable artistes from Sub-Sahara Africa featured. These artistes have their wiki pages, I believe the professional who takes up the task to fuse these different acts into a single musical project is worthy of an article on Wikipedia as well. ReoMartins ( talk) 13:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ ReoMartins It is imperative for you to know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason for you to think an article should be kept. You should also importantly see WP:INHERITED. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Liz, there is already a consensus here if by analysis of the arguments above. Isn't see the reason for relisting. Most importantly, the keep isn't strong enough or showed how the article meets inclusion. The source table can also be reviewed to see blatant addition of sources that doesn't mention the article. (Just a 'simpler' suggestion. ) —  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 09:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ SafariScribe Hehe, if I was an administrator, I would have relisted this discussion too, so don't worry, Liz made the right decision. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Vanderwaalforces, Sure. It's just that Liz doesn't take time analysing such deletions. Welp, it's good getting clearer consensus. —  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 14:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Safari Scribe, well, that's quite an insult I didn't expect to see when I was reviewing open AFD discussions tonight. I'll just leave this one for another closer to handle since you are unsatisfied with how I'm handling things. Again, this is a volunteer hobby, not a job and nothing obligates me to close or relist any AFD discussion but I try to use my best judgment. But I'll leave this one alone and someone else can eventually close it. Liz Read! Talk! 06:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Working with subjects that pass GNG is not enough to provide notability. While I see subject having some nominations, I fail to see WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER here by secondary sources. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 13:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Stewart Shining

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I am nominating this article for deletion due to significant concerns regarding its notability and the reliability of its sources. Despite attempts to engage the community for improvements, the article suffers from critical issues as outlined below:

Broken Links or Unavailable Sources: The article relies heavily on sources that are either broken or inaccessible, undermining the verification process. Key examples include:

Sports Illustrated cover, 2001 (link) - broken. "Phuket, Thailand, October 2000" by The Advocate, HighBeam Research, Inc., February 3, 2004 - inaccessible. "By Stewart Shining, for Time Out (February 1996)" from natalieportman.com - archived and unavailable. Other broken or archived sources include links from People Magazine, Rolling Stone, and celebrians.com covering various photo shoots and articles from 1996 through 2008.

Links That Do Not Verify Notability or Credibility: Several sources mention Shining's work but do not provide substantive discussion of his role or influence, failing to establish his notability. This includes articles like "Goddess of the Mediterranean" from CNN/Sports Illustrated and various brief mentions in Rolling Stone that do not analyze his impact in the field.

Overreliance on Primary Sources: The article predominantly uses primary sources, such as stewartshining.com and celebrians.com, which may introduce bias. These sources largely showcase the subject’s work without any critical analysis or third-party perspective, failing to meet the standards for reliable, independent verification of content. Misrepresentation of Roles or Inaccurate Information: The article includes claims not supported by reliable secondary sources, such as the subject's alleged significant roles with non-profits and major editorial contributions. For instance, a Wall Street Journal article titled "New Optimism for AIDS Activist" and information from Photo District News do not confirm his reported roles, creating potential misinformation.

Given the extensive reliance on problematic sources, combined with a significant lack of independent and reliable secondary coverage, the subject's notability cannot be adequately verified. Therefore, I recommend a discussion on whether this article should be retained, heavily edited, or deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitsoukorussie ( talk • contribs) 05:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Atta Soja

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Does not pass WP:NBOX or GNG. Sources are database entries, press release with the same images, paid articles posted without bylines etc., Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 09:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tarang Jain

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Hard to meet WP:GNG. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 07:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Bakhtar40, as a fairly inexperienced editor (131 edits), you need to read WP:BEFORE, "If there are verifiability, notability or other sourcing concerns, take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources". It is not just the sources actually used in the article that count. A simple Google search for Tarang Jain Varroc (he owns 86%) gives us:
https://www.forbes.com/profile/tarang-jain/?sh=5a0e545f2676
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/big-bet/twinwin-venture-how-tarang-jain-built-a-global-automotive-business/49915/1
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/leaderhip-awards-2013/tarang-jain-taking-risks-to-derisk-varroc/36383/1
https://www.autocarpro.in/feature/varroc-tarang-jain-autocar-professional-3428
https://www.themachinist.in/interviews/2333/investments-help-companies-stay-competitive
https://www.cnbctv18.com/business/companies/varroc-engineering-striving-for-double-digit-margin-by-end-of-fy24-says-cmd-17046041.htm
There are plenty more. And who knows what else in Hindi, etc? Edwardx ( talk) 09:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

2024 Sindh Premier League

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NEVENT. The tournament doesn't have official status with no lasting effect. RoboCric Let's chat 05:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Marion Evans

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Fails WP:GNG. Flounder fillet ( talk) 20:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Rahul Yadav

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Does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Press Releases and announcements. Most of the news is about his firm. The news are about the company. Or it will be better to Redirect this article on Housing.com. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 15:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ashwinder Singh

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Fails WP:NBIO and WP:GNG. A Google search brings up more such paid PR publications. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 15:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant)

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Redirect to List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden, or Delete. Case of WP:BLP1E that was previously deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (2nd nomination), but it was recreated. Referencing is very poor (there are no quality RS that cover the subject in any SIGOV outside of being in lists of famous winners). I tagged the article a year ago and suggested it should be redirected as IPs were constantly adding badly referenced WP:PROMO material about his other business interests, but when I WP:BOLDLY redirected it a few days ago, having not had any response to my notices, User:Robert McClenon felt it was better to send to AfD. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Only seeing now that it was also at AfD a third time (that AfD wasn't logged on the Talk Page) where it was kept Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (3rd nomination). Having read the sourcing that was provided for the 3rd AfD, I think it was pretty weak, and a redirect, to his entry on List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden would be a better solution. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources
    1. McNear, Claire (2020). Answers in the Form of Questions: A Definitive History and Insider's Guide to Jeopardy!. New York: Twelve. ISBN  978-1-5387-0232-1. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes about Bruce Lou: "As a student, he’d done quiz bowl, the team trivia competition often found in scholastic settings, and won the National History Bee—a contest organized by David Madden, who was a nineteen-time Jeopardy! champion in 2005—and Lou found himself missing the competition."

      The book notes: "As Watson entered crunch time, Jeopardy! granted IBM access to notable champions from years past, including nineteen-time winner David Madden, whose streak was second only to Ken Jennings’s at the time. Madden played two games against Watson.“"

      The book notes: "A number of Jeopardy! alumni’s new chapters, perhaps unsurprisingly, have to do with trivia. David Madden was a twentythree-year-old grad student when he first played, and as he left the studio after his twentieth game with vouchers totaling more than $430,000, he wasn’t sure what he wanted to do. ... A quiz bowl alum, he ultimately used his winnings as seed money to found International Academic Competitions, which hosts, among other things, the annual National History Bee and Bowl."

      The book notes: "David Madden, the nineteen-time champion, remembers auditioning in the Jeopardy! studio in May 2004. With him was a friend named Jeff Hoppes, who was called to be on the show just before Madden and ultimately became one of the final victims of Ken Jennings, coming in second in the seventieth game of Jennings's seventy-four-game winning streak. Hoppes, Madden says, first played quiz bowl in high school when he was a classmate of Rutter's, and then went on to marry eventual six-time Jeopardy! champion and Tournament of Champions runner-up Larissa Kelly. Madden, Rutter, and Kelly made up the winning team in the All-Star Games."

    2. Grant, Meghan (2019-03-04). "'Jeopardy!' All-Star Games finals include Ridgewood native". North Jersey Media Group. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "This Bergen County person is competing in the "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games this week. ... Who is former champion David Madden of Ridgewood? Among the former champs will be Madden, a member of Team Brad, one of the six trios of top players in the tournament. ... Back in 2005-2006, Madden won $432,400 in 19 rounds in a row — the third-longest winning streak in the game — earning a rank among "Jeopardy!" top players. ... Madden founded International Academic Competitions, running about a dozen contests in 30 countries, including the National History Bee and National Science Bee, hosting tens of thousands of students. Former players have gone on to "Jeopardy!" teen and college tournaments, and five staffers have won on the show."

    3. Grant, Meghan (2019-03-05). "Ridgewood native David Madden and Team Brad win 'Jeopardy!' All-Star Games". North Jersey Media Group. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "Ridgewood native David Madden and his partners on Team Brad won a decisive victory on "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games, and the $1 million prize. ... Madden earned a spot on the All-Star Games roster by winning 19 rounds in a row in 2005 and 2006, the third-longest winning streak in the show’s history. He was “drafted” by team leader Brad Rutter, along with Madden’s former Princeton classmate, Larissa Kelly. ... Madden used some of his first "Jeopardy!" winnings, a $432,400 pot, as start-up money, going on to found International Academic Competitions."

    4. Coutros, Evonnie (2005-09-23). "Ridgewood grad strikes it rich on 'Jeopardy!'". The Record. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Newspapers.com.

      The article notes: "Former Ridgewood resident David Madden hit the jackpot this month, but it wasn't in the lottery. Madden, a 1999 graduate of Ridgewood High, had a 19-day winning streak on "Jeopardy!" and walked away from the game show with more than $430,000 in cash. Madden, 24, a graduate of Princeton University, lost to a 24-year-old self-employed musician from Decatur, Ga. The episode aired earlier this week. ... Madden, who now lives in Berlin, is studying for an advanced degree in international relations at Frei University."

    5. Daugherty, Haley (2023-02-17). "Greater Latrobe Senior High School to host national quiz competition". Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "International Academic Competitions was started in 2010 by Jeopardy winner David Madden. He and his wife, Nolwenn Madden act as executive directors and they expanded the competition globally in 2012."

    6. Adams, Caralee J. (2013-07-01). "Reviving History Instruction: What's Old Is New Again". Education Week. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "With the goal of engaging students more deeply in history, David Madden, a “Jeopardy” champion and former high school and college quiz-bowl player, established the National History Bee & Bowl in 2010. Now in about 2,000 schools—elementary through high—individual Bee competitions and Bowl events are held throughout the country. Mr. Madden, 31, discovered there was plenty of demand."

    7. Ferguson, Mike (2014-02-08). "'I'll take history for $1,000, Alex': Founder of history bowl attends Montana competition". Billings Gazette. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "Montana high school history buffs can thank David Madden’s 19-day winning streak on the game show “Jeopardy!” nine years ago for the chance to show off their own knowledge Saturday at Skyview High School. Madden, 32, is founder and executive director of the National History Bee and Bowl, an individual and team competition with about 50,000 participants in more than 200 places around the country and overseas, too. About 60 students competed all day Saturday in the state championship held in Skyview’s theater. ... Madden, a graduate of Princeton University, founded the organization four years ago on his more than $400,000 in winnings on America’s most famous quiz show."

    8. Zarnowski, Tatiana (2011-02-28). "Saratoga Springs competition will test knowledge of history". The Daily Gazette. Archived from the original on 2014-07-22. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "National History Bowl and Bee, a private, for-profit startup company, is based in Ridgewood, N.J., where owner David Madden is from. The company conducted a pilot competition there in May. In 2005, Madden reigned in a 20-game run on “Jeopardy!,” the second-longest ever after Ken Jennings, who had a 74-game winning streak."

    9. Strauss, Robert (2005-10-09). "Worth Noting; I'll Take Quiz Kids For $600, Alex". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: "Mr. Madden was the captain of the Quiz Bowl team at Ridgewood High, and was on a similar freshman team at Princeton."

    10. Pakkala, Tiffany (2008-01-10). "'Jeopardy' winner turns to hiking with a purpose". Savannah Morning News. Archived from the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.

      The article notes: ""Jeopardy" fans remember him as the calculating young trivia expert who won 19 times on the game show and left with winnings more than $442,000, in part because he sought out the "Daily Double" early to maximize his cash. Now David Madden, 26, is crunching numbers for a different reason: He's hiking 3,000 miles to help raise money for a group that offers free and low-cost lodging to hospitalized soldiers and their families."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow David Madden to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 05:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Which of these refs is WP:SIGCOV on the subject in a major regional/national media outlet - none.
No main regional or national American news outlet thinks he is notable enough to do a piece on him - if they don't think he is notable, why do we?
Passing mentions, and mostly for the BLP1E, in small media outlets, is not the General notability guideline. If that was the case we could get rid of BLP1E as a guideline as most cases have such coverage. Aszx5000 ( talk) 08:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The subject received significant coverage in 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2019, 2020, and 2023. A person who falls under WP:BLP1E does not receive sustained significant coverage over 18 years for his activities.

He was a nineteen-time Jeopardy! champion in 2005. He founded the International Academic Competitions, which hosts the annual National History Bee and Bowl. He competed in and with his partners won the "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games in 2019. A person who has received significant coverage for multiple events does not fall under WP:BLP1E.

The subject is from New Jersey. The subject received significant coverage in a 2020 book published by Twelve. He received significant coverage in a 2014 article in Billings Gazette, the largest newspaper in Montana. He received significant coverage in a 2008 article in the Savannah Morning News, a regional newspaper that covers the Savannah metropolitan area and parts of South Carolina. He easily meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria.

Cunard ( talk) 08:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

But he hasn't received any significant coverage. If WP:GNG was "significant number of passing mentions in non-national/regional sources", then he would be a keep. But the requirement is for "significant coverage", and in quality sources (of which there is also none).
I could create an AI to scan 3rd tier US media to find names briefly mentioned (many of which will have a BLP1E element), and I could create 1 million more Wikipedia BLPs in the morning, but I would probably be in ANI shortly after.
No encyclopedia outside of Jeopardy! fan sites, will ever have an article on this subject. His entry on List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden captures everything that is notable about his BLP1E. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Sources such as Pakkala 2008, Ferguson 2014, Grant 2019a, and McClear 2020 are not passing mentions. Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Cunard ( talk) 10:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Todd Archibald

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Article recreated by WP:SPA following deletion a year and a half ago. I am bringing this to the community's attention. I am personally a weak delete: somewhat accomplished person, but I think it falls a little short of our notability criteria. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 09:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Frederick F. Cornell

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Fails WP:GNG. Book source seems to say about as much as an obituary would about each person described there. Flounder fillet ( talk) 20:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete -- a Newspapers.com search finds only passing mentions (generally as an officiant at a wedding or in ads for a school he assisted at.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Robert Thomas Brudenell-Bruce

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Fails WP:GNG. No indication of notability. Flounder fillet ( talk) 20:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ben Obese-Jecty

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Candidates for UK Parliament are not automatically notable. Similarly, writing a few newspaper articles also does not confer notability. Propose deleting and if he is successful in his campaign, it would be appropriate to make a page once he is elected. Drerac ( talk) 17:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, Journalism, and United Kingdom. Cleo Cooper ( talk) 18:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete: Does not pass WP:GNG, vast majority of sources cited in article are written by article subject. J2m5 ( talk) 02:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as the number of sources appears to indicate notability for journalism purposes as well as his political career. If the decision is not made to keep the article, moving to draft space would make more sense than deletion, which would only mean a well-written article most likely having to be recreated from scratch after the election if he wins. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 07:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Brendan Lopes

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Doesn't meet WP:FILMMAKER or WP:BIO. The subject has coverage only for winning a private island. No other significant coverage on his works or states any importance for an article. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 09:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sunarso

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No significant coverage or importance on the subject to have an article. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 08:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Shreya Verma

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Case of BLP1E. Fails WP:NPOL and GNG as BLP is contesting in the 2024 Indian general election and has not been elected to any office positions yet. Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 07:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: I don't know how these people create an article about a politician without reading Guidelines. Clearly fails WP:NPOL. Youknowwhoistheman ( talk) 08:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails WP:NPOL, same like previous AFDs Kompella Madhavi Latha, Neeraj Tripathi. No in-depth coverage of the Subject and not yet elected as MP or MLA to pass WP:NPOL, If she wins the election and elected as a MP then he will automatically pass WP:NPOL. Grabup ( talk) 08:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. As always, people do not get Wikipedia articles just for standing as candidates in elections they have not yet won already — but this makes no claim that the subject has preexisting notability for any other reason. Obviously no prejudice against recreation after election day if she wins, but just standing as a candidate is not in and of itself grounds for an article now. Bearcat ( talk) 18:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Anurag Sinha

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I initially tagged this for UPE for cleanup but after it was challenged by two SPAs, and at the request of one, I dug further into cleanup. The issue is that the references, other than this, are not reliable to show notability. Everything is mentions, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, press releases, churnalism, interviews, or otherwise unreliable. I removed some WP:FAKEREFerences prior but kept everything else in tact so the AfD could be judged based on how it sits currently. CNMall41 ( talk) 04:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@CNMall41
I think you are indulging in provocation to prove you’re correct. Please refer this case to senior editors and administrators for opinion. My knowledge about Wikipedia rules is limited. However this nomination for deletion seems fishy. Hope fellow editors will objectively contribute to sort this, whatever is right.
Request to refer to the Talk Page of Anurag Sinha to understand the case. His notability and credibility is vouched and acknowledged.


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixing001 ( talk • contribs) 05:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Fixing001, Don't worry this ADF discussion will surely closed by an Administrator of Wikipedia. Grabup ( talk) 17:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Hello @ CNMall41
I would really like to contest your decision to provocatively send the article for deletion, while I was engaging in a meaningful conversation with you in the talk page. I will also request the inclusion of other editors and administrators to have a look at this case as I feel that this step may have been influenced due to reasons while this could have been avoided certainly for an actor who has a valid presence and calibre in the indian films industry.
Please have a look at the references right from 2008 till 2023 where these references are attributed from TOI, Press Trust of India, ANI News, NDTV, Organisational bodies, Etimes, Recognised Production Houses and International Film Festivals, Directors and fellow actors from the industry of India.
While some citations may come from a list of as you call “Paid Media”, there is a plethora of other google search articles and references in the article where the subject is not in ‘Mentionary terms’, but actuality a major point of interest.
Articles by reputed journalists of India, like Mr Subhash K Jha, Mr Khalid Mohammad and other prominent journalists have done interviews and wrote articles on ‘Anurag Sinha’. His recent Best Actor Award in International Film Festivals is also merited by TOI and PTI, ANI News, The Week, Zee5 News etc.
While, you discredited the article and the subject 2 months earlier accusing of Paid Creation, why did you not send it for deletion then itself when proper cleaning of language and any inkling of promotional intent was also removed by myself.
I had only requested you remove the “paid template” and present any transactional proof made by the user/article subject for creating the page, to which there is still no evidence provided by you. You have stated the ‘creator of the page’ has been flagged, but that does not mean that all articles created by the creator are false and paid, when the merit of this particular artist/actor is recognised by a mass audience and people of his industry.
However, I again repeat that today seems out of hasty decision, you have altered the article by your edits which are not justified. This article is on my watchlist and some removals are uncalled and was not needed at all. While you also have wrongly exercised your rights to put templates and send the page for deletion. Why?
Also, for clarification of my interest in the article, I certainly am interested in the work of actors and indian film industry and will want to contribute positively towards it.
As a responsible Wikipedia editor, I again would address you to clean the page, if you find it dissatisfying. According to me, all current references are reliable third part sources that are not just mentioning, but are talking about the subject or acknowledging the achievements of the subject.
I trust this process and hopefully this matter will be justly resolved. I will also invite other editors and experienced editors to engage in its resolution.
Thanks Fixing001 ( talk) 14:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I think the article must be uploaded back and edited with supervision. The article subject is legit. DSTR123 ( talk) 05:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It appears to me that DSTR123 and Fixing001 might be the same individual, given that the DSTR123 account was created today following this nomination and has only posted this comment thus far. Grabup ( talk) 17:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Grabup:, They likely are. SPI filed here. I believe the image uploads are a pretty good trail of breadcrumbs. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 22:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Based on my checking, I've discovered that sources are only WP:NEWSORGINDIA and press releases, sponsored articles, and interview pieces can't establish notability at all. The individual clearly doesn't meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG due to a lack of comprehensive coverage on the subject. Grabup ( talk) 17:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ’’’Keep’’’ - The article subject has a 16year career where he has recently won Best Actor Awards in his field at International Film Festivals in New Jersey and Toronto. The notability can’t be debated with the individual being working with premium indian production houses like Mukta Arts, Emmay Entertainment, Applause Entertainment, T Series etc in leading roles with directors and co-stars who are also having a sterling background.. like Subhash Ghai, Anil Kapoor, Nikkhil Advani, Shefali Shah, Purab Kohli etc. The article references are cited from the premier news agencies of indian media viz..Times of India, HT, Rediff, The Week, Press Trust of India, ANI News, NDTV, Money Control, The Print etc. Mostly all the articles in India media are cited with references from the above agencies, if that’s the case, we may need to delete every article in Indian Films section.

This article must be added with citations available in the public domain and be made available. It’s a KEEP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixing001 ( talk • contribs) 08:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Carterson

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Sources are either PRs/promo puffs/Advertorials, WP:RUNOFTHEMILL both primary and independent of the subject. Non-notable musician. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 16:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Olanrewaju Smart

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Fails WP:NPOL ( WP:NSUBPOL), sources are mostly WP:ROUTINE and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL. In short, the offices being occupied by the subject do not guarantee notability under WP:NPOL and fail WP:GNG too. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 16:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

James A. O'Flaherty

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Biography of subject that doesn't meet WP:NBIO or WP:MUSICBIO or other criteria. (Article was created, seemingly, by a family member. And relies entirely on sources written by family members. Was speedy deleted in 2007. Was restored, after request from creator, shortly afterwards - on the basis that notability might be established by "news reports" and having a music retreat "named for him". However, the only news report mentioned (which doesn't appear to be verifiable) seems to be about the music retreat. Rather than the subject. And while it is a credit to the man/family/community that the event was so-named, it doesn't establish notability. Even if the event was notable (and I would question whether it is), notability isn't transferrable.) My own WP:BEFORE has returned nothing to indicate that NBIO or SIGCOV are met. WP:COI and WP:NOTMEMORIAL are also relevant. Guliolopez ( talk) 13:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sabir Alasgarov

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Reviewed during NPP, No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The article says that he was a radio announcer. The on-line source had only a brief listing of him. Was not able to review the other 2 sources; they are off line Azerbaijani sources. (one appeared to be on line but that was just a link to a Wikipedia article about the source in general.) but content is indicative of them not being GNG sources. North8000 ( talk) 02:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tobi Mohammed

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Again, Fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or any applicable WP:SNG even after previous AfD. This is mostly based on WP:INHERENT and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL. Below is my source assessment;

Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/09/13/the-plug-topboy-entertainment-formalise-merger-announce-mohammed-as-managing-partner No Promotional piece about the merger of The Plug and TopBoy Entertainment No Even though ThisDay is reliable per WP:NGRS, No byline used in the piece. Promotional nature of this piece also affects its reliability ~ Mostly about the merger of The Plug and TopBoy Entertainment ✘ No
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/10/16/oluwatobi-mohammed-the-young-entertainment-disruptor No Promotional piece that is not entirely independent No Ditto Yes ✘ No
https://tribuneonlineng.com/tobi-mohammed-a-journey-of-innovation-from-tech-to-entertainment/ No This source appears to be a promotional profile piece on Tobi Mohammed. No Even though per WP:NGRS, Nigerian Tribune is reliable, the promotional nature of this article affects its reliability. Yes ✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/11/from-dream-to-reality-the-inspiring-journey-of-topboy-entertainment/ No This source seems to be a promotional piece about TopBoy Entertainment. No Source is marginally reliable per WP:NGRS, and the promotional nature of this article affects its reliability No The article provides significant coverage of the journey of TopBoy Entertainment ✘ No
https://www.turntablecharts.com/news/1256 ~ This source is a promotional piece about Tobi Mohammed’s BlockParty series. Yes Even though the promo from here oozes, it does not affect this context. No This is about Tobi Mohammed’s BlockParty series and not Tobi Mohammed himself ✘ No
https://digimillennials.com/music/offstage-alhaji-popping/ No No No byline used in piece and reads promotional No ✘ No
https://socialmediaweeklagos2020.sched.com/speaker/tobi27 No This source is a profile of Tobi Mohammed from the Social Media Week Lagos 2020 event. No Promotional profile Yes ✘ No
https://dailypost.ng/2023/06/09/tobi-mohammed-shares-invaluable-insights-on-soft-power/ No Obvious sponsored content No Even though Daily Post is reliable, this is an obvious sponsored content Yes ✘ No
https://notjustok.com/article/afrobeats-live-and-awards-power-players-2019/ No No No byline used No Not specifically about the subject ✘ No
https://www.turntablecharts.com/magazine/3rd/57 Yes Ditto ~ No Ditto ✘ No
https://www.turntablecharts.com/news/1184 Yes Ditto ~ No Ditto ✘ No
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Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 23:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: We had this about a year ago, here we are again, still not notable. The source chart is overly generous with a few sources, but I agree it's a !delete, this is PROMO. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete looks like promotion per sources provided. No deep coverage by independent sources. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 11:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. The subject of this article has not been discussed in reliable secondary sources. Some of the sources (ThisDay) cited in the article are not independent of him and others (The Nation newspaper) are promotional to say the least. The awards he has won or been nominated for aren't notable.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 17:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Chris Ashby

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Of the current sources, the first was written by the subject himself, and the second is a brief mention quoted from a press release. A BEFORE check revealed some quotes and namedrops but little else. Let'srun ( talk) 19:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hakeem Nisar Ahmad

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL as he never won a national or provincial election, merely running for an election does not make one notable. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 12:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 12:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I'm not seeing any significant coverage except for press releases about his part in running for elections to which he did not win. Fails WP:NPOL as not having won any seat-- Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 12:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: [1] Did not win his election so no WP:NPOL pass, and there does not appear to be WP:SIGCOV of him beyond routine campaigning releases. Curbon7 ( talk) 04:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. As always, people do not get Wikipedia articles just for standing as candidates in elections they didn't win — but this makes no claim that the subject has preexisting notability for any other reason. Bearcat ( talk) 18:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The author was a blocked sock (G5), and it's snowing down below anyway. Girth Summit (blether) 12:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

KJ Dhaliwal

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Does not pass WP:GNG / WP:BIO.

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 07:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Kent Edunjobi

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An article about an individual that doesn't meet out general notability guidelines for inclusion of musicians, actors and as the case may be. The sources doesn't seem to be significantly covered and per se, have more of PR and paid writing. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 09:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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John Ratcliff (producer)

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Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NBIO, and I do not believe being a producer for a notable band is an automatic WP:NMUSIC pass either. I could not locate sources with substantial coverage of Ratcliff. All sources cover him only peripherally, as a producer for a-Ha. The article is now primarily an autobiography. Would accept a redirect to a-Ha as an alternative to deletion. Jfire ( talk) 03:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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    I not only re- produced the final masters of 8 of the tracks on a-ha’s 15 million selling first album Hunting High and Low but I also discovered them in 1983 and kept them, gave them £thousands and helped secure a record deal with Warners. I managed them under contract from 1983 to 1993 and without my financial and creative input they would have returned to Norway and never been heard of again! How dare you propose to delete this article. I have nearly completed my autobiography which inevitably contains the entire story of how I rescued them when they had no money left and put them in my recording studio for 2 years without any return for another 12 months. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • agree that REDIRECT to a-Ha is appropriate. Most sources are primary references. The only third party references are more about a-Ha with this subject being mentioned tangentially. Otherwise, this article seems more promotional than anything else. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 18:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    How dare you presume! You know nothing. In 1983 a-ha came into my studio but ran out of money after 2 weeks. For the next 2 years I covered every housing cost., food cost and leisure costs out of my own pocket because I believed in their talent.I also let them have free studio time for 2 years during which we recorded and produced nearly all of the tracks on their first album. I became their manager in 1983 and their contract lasted with me until 1993!Their best 10 years to date. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I.will take legal action if you have the cheek to remove this article. My autobiography is almost finished detailing my entire 10 years managing the band and the consequences for both a-ha and myself. 200 million record sales for a start! If you want a copy of my management contract with a-ha just ask. I lost my house and marriage while supporting the band before their success. Buy my autobiography next year and you can read every detail. Nobody, nobody knows the ‘a-ha’ history better than I do. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Get your facts right. I discovered the band when they came into my studio and spent 2 weeks recording. I liked what I heard and when they ran out of time and money I supported them for 2 years before Take on Me became a bestseller.I was contractually their Manager from 1983 to 1993. I re-produced 8 out of 10 tracks on their first and most popular album Hunting high and Low. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: There are two decent sources on the article, both telling the story of the recording of "Take On Me": " Talking Away: A-Ha On The Making Of Take On Me" on The Quietus, and " Classic Tracks: A-ha 'Take On Me'" on Sound on Sound. There may be some claim to notability. However, the article subject badgering us and making legal threats on this deletion discussion makes it difficult for me to vote keep. Toughpigs ( talk) 02:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    If you are not going to allow this article to remain then you are ignoring the truth of the matter. I thought the truth was a basic necessity of a site that should only provide fact.I am only writing as a matter of principle. My lawyers will only reveal their legal expertise. Buy the album…my name is all over the sleeve. More times than the band members themselves 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To toughpig. I don’t give a damn - oh sorry..is that blasphemy? In this day and age? I am in no way making threats! I am merely standing up for myself and the truth.Who is your superior? Put him/her on to it before I wake up my lawyer and we can sort this out legally and properly. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I now understand the reason for your username. Well I am tough too but my lawyer is tougher, and very expensive as you will discover should this minuscule matter not be resolved satisfactorily. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To tough pig. It says you have ‘2 decent sources’. What better ‘source’ could you have but myself. I discovered, produced and managed ‘a-ha’ for 10 years from 1983 to 1993. I think my knowledge of this entire matter is inevitably going to be seen as the most accurate. Your organisation obviously listens hardest to those names you recognise. You don’t realise that it’s the people behind the names who have a far greater knowledge and understanding for detail than you ever will. Change your username….or is it your real name? I do apologise. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 03:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    It will be very easy for me to find out who you really are. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 03:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    217.137.18.193, stop your threats. WP:NLT and WP:OUTING are policies here. You can vent, and you can argue for this article to be kept, but you can't harass people. Jfire ( talk) 04:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Read my opening statements from the top again. Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I am not harassing anyone. I am merely pointing out that I am not ‘just’ their producer. I discovered them in 1983, kept, housed, fed and gave them my studio for 2 years,signed them to an extremely lucrative management contract for 5 years and then to a major deal with Warners. That is an awful lot more than ‘producing’ a track don’t you think? Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I was their manager from 1983 to 1993.I still get royalties!
    Why am I having to justify facts that are common knowledge in my industry? Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I saw your opening statement and I believe you when you say you've done all those things for the band and were important to their success. But saying things like "I will take legal action if you have the cheek to remove this article", "My lawyers will only reveal their legal expertise", "before I wake up my lawyer and we can sort this out legally", and "It will be very easy for me to find out who you really are" is not okay here. You need to avoid making statements that can be construed as legal threats or threats to reveal someone's identity.
    "Why am I having to justify facts that are common knowledge in my industry?" is a valid question. The answer is that one of the pillars of Wikipedia is that information here is verifiable: readers must be able to check that any information is not just made up. That means we can't rely on what's "common knowledge" in any industry unless it's been published in reliable sources somewhere. When your autobiography is published, we may be able to use it as a source in a-ha (depending on whether it is self-published or not). But we can't just rely on your own personal statements here, even if we believe them. Jfire ( talk) 04:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I apologise if you feel I was harassing you. ‘a-ha’ is a very sensitive subject for me. I gave up my home and lost my wife and young child on account of my involvement with a-ha. So it is a passionate and sensitive subject.
    I reiterate, I am very sorry to have upset you.
    John Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to a-ha (with merging in of any useful information) pending publication of the autobiography referred to by the 217 IP (who appears to be the same person as Johnratcliff?). If it gets reviews in reliable sources, the article can then be reinstated based on those in addition to the few good sources currently present. Notability is borderline at present, since it can't be inherited from the band (and since our criterion for an independent page is notability, not admiration). The article is an under-referenced BLP and the last paragraph is stylistically inappropriate: "PS ... John". But it may be rewritable from sources a year from now. Yngvadottir ( talk) 08:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per above, does not seem independently notable. Slatersteven ( talk) 09:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per Yngvadottir. I removed a lot of recent COI additions that were entirely unsourced. Those should not be in a BLP. What remains are 4 sources that I will throw into a source analysis table:
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Sirfurboy
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.johnratcliff.com/john--a-ha No "In his own words". His own website. WP:SPS ? Reliable but self promotional Yes ✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20220521024623/https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/ha-take-me Yes Yes I believe it is. Didn't actually check. No He is mentioned in the source several times but there is no significant information about him ✘ No
https://thequietus.com/articles/18805-aha-hunting-high-and-low-take-on-me-review-anniversary Yes Yes No He is mentioned in the source several times but there is no significant information about him ✘ No
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01727601 Yes Yes No A primary source that says nothing about Ratcliffe in any case ✘ No
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However the redirect is reasonable as this is clearly someone who gets a mention regarding a-ha and is borderline notable. Although the above assessment covers what is in the page, there could be more secondary sources on him. However the name is quite common and searching is complicated by finding other notable Jonh Ratcliffes. I was not able to find any suitable coverage, but if multiple independent reliable secondary sources with sigificant coverage can be found, then, of course, this would be a notable subject for a page. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 10:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Redirect to a-ha: Not enough notability outside of a-ha to warrant an individual page. InDimensional ( talk) 11:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to a-ha. I haven't been able to find sources to support WP:GNG beyond those mentioned here, and none of those support a stand-alone article. Schazjmd  (talk) 16:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nkosana Makate

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Product of WP:BLP1E. Yes, the subject has been making the news in the past few months but this is all just 15 minutes of fame. WP:ATD, a redirect to Vodacom#"Please Call Me" would make sense. dxneo ( talk) 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment this case been in the news for years, not months. It has been extensively covered in WP:RS for that time. So the nomination description of it as “15 minutes of fame” is inaccurate. Makate may, or may not be notable in terms of WP:BLP1E but the case almost certainly is. Park3r ( talk) 03:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Park3r, the case may be notable. However, I don't think Nkosana Makate is, the article is composed of this particular case only. Opening statement says "…is a South African who proposed the "Buzz" idea to Vodacom", no description nor WP:SIGCOV, and back to the nom, this is a clear BLP1E. Until relevant sources are brought to light, I think redirecting the article to Vodacom is the way to go. dxneo ( talk) 04:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Not sure I understand the deletion rationale here. The case is definitely notable and as much as Nkosana Makate may not be notable but he definitely deserves a mention in the case because after all he is the central figure to the case. Also, seeing that most articles on Wikipedia are about Europe and U.S and there is a serious lack of African content (including content on languages) I think it would have been wise for you Dineo to be bold fix the issues on this article and go on to translate it to your mother tongue than tag it for speedy deletion. Wikimedia ZA is there to support African Wikimedian like yourself to increase African content and languages on Wikipedia. Please reach out to me on bobby.shabangu@wikimedia.org.za to talk more on how we can support you. Bobbyshabangu talk 18:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Bobbyshabangu, yes he may be the central figure but this is pure WP:BLP1E (meaning he's known for one event only) which is the deletion rationale here. I wouldn't have nominated it for deletion if there was something I could do to improve it. Nkosana Makate is already mentioned on Vodacom#Please Call Me. Note that your comment does not support your "keep" !vote in any way. dxneo ( talk) 19:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Vladimir Ivanov (model)

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Non-notable model, fails WP:NMODEL. Both references are from 2013 (one is broken). Doesn't seem to have his models.com profile updated since 2017. Does not meet wp:ANYBIO or wp:GNG. Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ebrahim Etemadi

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Ebrahim Etemadi likely doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Additionally, the mentioned sources might not be reliable enough. Waqar 💬 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Elias Huizar

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A defamatory article based on WP:OR with a non-free image improperly labeled as such and a subject that fails WP:GNG. Lettlre ( talk) 19:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy Delete/Convert - I feel like the shooter himself doesn't meet notability guidelines, but the event does, I feel like the article should be converted into something similar to 2014 Isla Vista killings, where the event itself is published, but not focused on the perp. Gonzafer001 ( talk) 21:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That's plausible Red Slash 16:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I concur, we should move the page to focus less on the perp, and more on the actual story. Gonzafer001 ( talk) 03:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete - WP:NOTNEWS, WP:BLP. Suspected murderer on the run, not yet captured by authorities. Also, the image of the suspect is not licensed for our use. — Maile ( talk) 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete G10/A7. Mccapra ( talk) 20:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Not a speedy. The copyrighted image can be removed. This article is not "entirely negative in tone and unsourced." (emphasis mine). It may be entirely inappropriate for Wikipedia, but CNN has covered it, so it's unreasonable to argue it's A7. Jclemens ( talk) 22:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I've removed the speedy tag and added a link to the CNN coverage. That doesn't mean I think this should be kept: it means I don't think any of our speedy deletion criteria apply. Jclemens ( talk) 03:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete/speedy delete per WP:NOTNEWS LegalSmeagolian ( talk) 00:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy keep - this neither is WP:OR (did you... read the references??), nor does it fail the WP:GNG based on the substantial news coverage. Red Slash 01:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The main source is a self-described zine that basically makes a bunch of allegations on a non-convicted individual. That's what I mean by OR. Lettlre ( talk) 17:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete To the above user, this article and its tone is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia ( WP:BLPBALANCE) and inappropriately POV, incredibly violating WP:PERP; as the subject has been caught there's no use for the article as-is currently. The picture has been removed due to a poor licensing rationale and as the image involves children in no way involved with the subject or the story, and a BLPBALANCE-violating title in itself. Nate • ( chatter) 02:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete as a WP:BLP violation. The article is almost completely unsourced contentious claims about a living person. Jfire ( talk) 02:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The BLP issues have been resolved, but this still fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRIME. Coverage is unlikely to be WP:SUSTAINED. Jfire ( talk) 04:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It is completely sourced. Red Slash 16:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment This is all over the news in the Northwest. He was tracked down and committed suicide. It's being presented on the news as factual including interviews with people he worked with. He isn't a living person but a recently deceased person so I realize BLP still applies. The name of the minor victim has not been included here or mentioned in the news but they spoke with her family. Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Rename to 2024 Yakima murder and child abduction case, or something similar. They issued an Amber Alert about this case in the middle of the night, and it has certainly been heavily covered, but I agree that naming the article after Huizar doesn't entirely make sense since nothing about him is notable except for his crimes. See WP:BLP1E (although he is dead it is still relevant). LonelyBoy2012 ( talk) 07:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Jeff Unaegbu

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I came about this article during clean up and saw it's contains a bit vague and non verifiable content. Taking into cleaning up, I became tired at the line seeing almost if not all the sources lacks editorial guidelines, perhaps doesn't go with our policy and guidelines for reliable sources.

On the other hand, apart from the quality percentage of primary sources linking to book that were self published in the platforms such as Amazon, etc., the article generally doesn't meet WP:GNG, no WP:SIGCOV, and it contains a bit hoaxes that were made (those like references/acclaims which I have removed when cleaning part of the article). The article in general doesn't conform with Wikipedia's inclusion for authors, journalist too—since he edited a magazine and has written for some magazines per the article. Lacks verifiable source and seem looking like a advert/promotional/vaguely constructed source, and more.

The books he wrote doesn't meet our guidelines for books, so we may try redirecting or WP:PRESERVE albeit there is nothing to be preserved here. I also discovered the previous AFD that reads 'no consensus', and it seems there were no improvement or rather say; the previous AFD seeking for clean up which I've did to some part and found no substantial need for the inclusion of this article. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ajay Raju

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Unremarkable lawyer, not known for any notable achievements in his field. Doesn't seem to be known for holding any academic or law journal positions, involvement in notable cases, etc. Reliable sources are mainly smaller local outlets (in the Philadelphia area). Bridget  (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Cheryl Epple

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The highest-held position is as an elected trustee/board president to Cerritos College. All references are based on death/obituary. Don't think she meets the threshold for WP:NPOL or wp:anybio. Notability is not inherited through marriage. Doesn't make any mention of business accomplishments. Internet search results are sparse. I suggest deletion or move to draft at minimum. Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Carlos Pesina

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Unreferenced article. No pre or post-wiki sig coverage. Being on the crew in a lot of video games does not automatically inherit notability. Wikipedia Library, Newspapers.com, and current Google search results in hardly any in-depth sig coverage. Passings mentions/brief coverage I could find from major pubs: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7- do not help passing GNG. X ( talk) 10:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Nothing has changed in the article since the previous discussion. There's no doubt he was part of the Mortal Kombat animation and motion capture, but there's still no indication of significant coverage of him. A much better case can be made for his brother, but notability is not inherited. Perhaps a case can be made for redirect or merge to the article on Daniel Pesina, but I'm not seeing the rationale for an individual article on Carlos. Papaursa ( talk) 01:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Still fails WP:BASIC, only passing mentions, no significant coverage. -- Mika1h ( talk) 12:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tayler Kane

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Unreferenced article with an IMDb external link. Pre-wiki coverage was hard to find, even a cursory Google search today shows nothing. Although the actor seems to have played several minor roles in notable shows, there's no significant coverage of him that I could find. If printed sources exist, one may list them. X ( talk) 09:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Renzo Vitale

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Highly promotional piece written by a UPE. PROD declined. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Iftikhar A. Ayaz

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:PRIMARY: "Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them." No secondary sources at all. AusLondonder ( talk) 07:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Speedy keep. Clearly meets WP:GNG. @ AusLondonder: Have added reliable secondary sources to the article now. Request withdrawal of AfD nomination. Cielquiparle ( talk) 21:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Of the sources you have added, I'm not sure a single one is actually significant coverage of him as an individual. One source is the Court Circular column in the Daily Telegraph which reports he awarded an Tuvalu Order of Merit to Prince William. Another article is about persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan which name-checks him. I'm not seeing this as meeting WP:BASIC: "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." AusLondonder ( talk) 14:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Adeseha Wuraola Becky

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. She has not starred in a single notable film; a Google search of her doesn't show her being discussed in reliable secondary sources. Most of the sources cited in the article are primary sources that involve the subject granting interviews to several publications. The article was previously deleted via an afd discussion, which can be seen here.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

You can't G4 on a prod/soft delete. Desertarun ( talk) 18:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The refs check out. She doesn't pass Nactor, nor does she need to because she passes both Basic and GNG. Desertarun ( talk) 18:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Shreyas Puranik

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Fails WP:GNG, appears not notable. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 16:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. As the creator of the article i would like to suggest keep, as it passes WP:MUSIC. The musical artist have received full fledged coverage from independent media sources for his work such as [4], [5], [6]. [7]. Further the artist also passes one of the criteria of winning or being nominated for a notable award, as he won the notable Filmfare R. D. Burman Award in the category of upcoming music talent. [8] [9]

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The above references are either paid placement or Press Releases. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 15:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Pass WP:MUSIC, Also, there are significant reliable sources availabe which talks about the subject. Grabup ( talk) 04:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Imaan Zainab Mazari

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She fails WP:GNG as there is no sources covering her in depth. The article is created based on recentism because she just received nominal coverage due to her few days arrest and she being the daughter of a notable politician Shireen Mazari. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment It seems a proper WP:BEFORE search was not conducted before nominating. As the creator of this BLP, It's natural that I prefer not to see it deleted. The BLP is well-sourced, contains no OR, and maintains a NPOV. I'll leave it to the community to decide. I can expand this page further as there's still more coverage on her, but I believe the community may agree that this BLP, in its current state, adequately demonstrates the subject meets WP:GNG. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 21:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete The article appears to rely heavily on sources that cover her in the context of recent events, particularly her arrests, rather than on her long-term significance as a human rights lawyer. The current state of the article may indeed be more appropriate for Wikinews, given its focus on recent events. Although she marginally satisfies the WP:GNG, the content is largely influenced by her brief detentions and her mother's political stature. Whereas, the criteria demand sustained and significant coverage, reflecting a subject’s lasting relevance.  samee   converse  02:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I find it surprising that you guys perceiving this as a RECENTISM issue. She has consistently received press coverage- both nationally and internationally- dating back as far as 2014 ( see this) which indicates that she passes WP:10YT. It's not a matter of receiving temporary blip of news coverage for a single incident or event, rather- it's a compilation of several incidents. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 08:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It's merely a brief mention, and even that's only in relation to her being Shireen Mazari's daughter. She states her mother had no objection to attend the protests. There is no mention of her own credentials in the source if she had any. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
My point is that she has been consistently covered in the news since 2014. In 2015 she received more press attention after being targeted by trolls on social media, a phenomenon not typically experienced by children of official or public figures in Pakistan. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 11:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
All the coverage from 2014/2015 you're referring to is primarily because she's Shireen Mazari's daughter. Reports focus on the novelty of her actions, such as voting for her mother's rival party or protesting against PTI affiliates who stormed PTV, rather than her qualifications. Perhaps she stood out as the only protestor who was child of a prominent figure on that particular day. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I'm not implying that this 2014/2015 press coverage is alone establishes her meeting the criteria of WP:GNG. The point is, she has been consistently receiving media attention since 2014. Anyways, to establish WP:GNG, we should focus on the sources present in the BLP itself, which I believe are sufficient. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 12:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I agree with Saqib that the sources are sufficient, and even the delete vote is acknowledging that the article meets the GNG. With general notability, sufficient sourcing, and a well-written article, what exactly is the problem here? rspεεr ( talk) 14:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
off topic discussion
@ Rspeer: personal disagreements. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 15:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It's ridiculous. I recently endorsed your nomination just a few days ago. If I had personal disagreements, I wouldn't have supported it. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But I didn't even mention your name. Isn't this ridiculous that you just recently created this BLP on a non-notable police officer, an unknown figure who just received some recent press attention. This a clear case of WP:RECENTISM. You cited a video source multiple time as a reference to back up claims in the Early Life and Education as well Career sections. Yet here, you even didn't care to do a proper WP:BEFORE search. This clearly suggest that you've some sort of issue with me which I'm trying my best to ignore. --— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 17:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Per WP:ANYBIO, award recipients are considered notable, video source is Geo News, a reliable source. You should assume good faith, you ignored the part in my previous comment where I showed you the evidence of my recent support for you. I did not even know that you were the creator until after AFD submission when I saw bot added message to your talk page in my watchlist. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
She did receive an award for the recent incident that garnered press attention, but this is falls under WP:RECENTISM. However, the WP:ANYBIO also states that receiving an award does not automatically confer notability. Regarding the citation of a Geo News video as a reference, it's important to note that this video is an interview, and thus a a primary source. Citing video interviews as reference could set a problematic precedent for BLP articles. Despite my efforts to AGF, it seems reciprocity is lacking. And as for your support vote, it was not solicited nor necessary. I find it difficult to believe your assertion that you were unaware this BLP was created by me. Following our disagreement on this BLP, you promptly nominated this for deletion. Therefore, Assume the assumption of good faith. Anyways, let's avoid further escalation on this matter, at least on this page. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 19:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep Regardless of the reasons (be it her detentions and her activities, or her parents), she has received lasting media coverage (not every coverage has to be sig/in-depth), and the sources present in the article, some of them are mostly fine and can be considered sig cov - with everyone here acknowledging she meets GNG/ WP:BASIC. X ( talk) 12:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mark Schulman (chess player)

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Subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV needed to meet the WP:GNG. The sources in the article are all databases, and a WP:BEFORE check only comes up with passing mentions such as [ [10]]. Let'srun ( talk) 18:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Notes. Not voting one way or the other at this stage, just noting that he represented a large country (Canada) at chess, and most of his activity was in the 1960s where sources are not so easy to find on the internet. He played in 3 Canadian Championships. His Elo rating on the first FIDE list in 1970 was 2260, and it seems he didn't play any rated games after that. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 07:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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There are several mentions of him in the Chess Life/ Chess Review archives at the USCF site ( https://new.uschess.org/chess-life-digital-archives), usually in connection with either the Canadian championship or the annual Minnesota vs Manitoba match (he was one of the top players from Winnipeg). I haven't found any 1960s Canadian chess publications digitized on-line. Still, he satisfies two of the informal WP:NCHESS criteria, having played in 3 Canadian championships (1963, 1965, 1969) and represented Canada at the Olympiad. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 01:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Leaning towards delete. I wanted to keep it, I really did, but in the end I couldn't justify it to myself. It's true that there are probably a lot of off-line sources from the 1960s, but he just doesn't really have enough achievements to get more than a few passing mentions in specialist chess publications. We haven't even confirmed a date of birth or death (chesstempo says he was born in 1934 but no better source found; a memorial tournament named after him was held in 2018). Playing in 3 Canadian championship ( https://www.bcchesshistory.com/canchslate.html) and 1 Olympiad ( https://www.olimpbase.org/players-ind/2/28e2amqe.html) doesn't really add up to notability since Canada has never been a major chess playing power, and his achievements in these events was a little underwhelming. His published FIDE rating of 2260, while not to be sneezed at, suggests that he was of below International Master strength. It appears he was strictly an amateur, a lawyer who only occasionally found the time to play competitively. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 02:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:NCHESS doesn't mention playing in a national championship, it mentions winning a national championship. And it doesn't mention playing in the Olympiad, it mentions earning a ... medal at an Olympiad. So, I don't think we can rescue this article. That said, I enjoyed learning these little tidbits about a Canadian chess player whom I had not otherwise heard of. Bruce leverett ( talk) 17:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
As noted elsewhere I found a DOB for him in the Chess Federation of Canada's 100th anniversary booklet by Daniel Yanofsky. I'll note here that he disappeared from the FIDE rating list on the January 2008 list, after being present in the October 2007 list, indicating a likely death in 2007. I've found references to a Winnipeg lawyer who is probably this person, but no obituary (he has a namesake from Maryland who also died in 2007, and another namesake who was P!nk's drummer). The lack of an online obituary does not bode well for notability. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 03:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ossanda Liber

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Sources mostly cover her in the context of her unsuccessful candidacies (of which in one she received 84 votes out of 109,350 cast). AusLondonder ( talk) 14:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: A unsuccessful political candidate that is not notable enough. BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions) 03:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: as PamD said being founder and president also makes me think she's notable
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Not sure how being the founder of a minor party which received 0.25% of the vote indicates notability. AusLondonder ( talk) 23:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

James Dring

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PROD requested, but denied for being Grammy nominated. However, WP:ANYBIO requires winning once, or being nominated multiple times. Is twice good enough? I read multiple as something greater than two. So, fails ANYBIO. Even more, none of the references pass WP:SIRS, so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NBIO. Sources are database entries and press releases. No significant coverage. Jfire ( talk) 16:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete — to add to what UtherSRG said, he was nominated for one Grammy, not two, together with four other people. Also, the article is by a banned sockpuppet and paid editor, which we shouldn’t reward. — Biruitorul Talk 18:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment As per this link [11], as well as the Grammy nomination, he has been nominated for a Golden Globe. Also - clearly WP:MUSICBIO applies here. Resonant Distortion 19:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep With named nominations for two three notable awards, that is sufficient to meet WP:MUSICBIO#8. There's also sufficient WP:RS to show the subject meets WP:COMPOSER#1. I have cleaned up the article including removing non-RS citations and adding several more, which may not be multiple lines in depth but do contribute per WP:BASIC, so any "whiff" of paid editor contribution no longer applies. Resonant Distortion 23:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment per the Billboard reference just added to the article - Dring was a named credit in the nomination of the Feel Good Inc. Grammy award. So he does have two Grammy nominations, plus the Golden Globe; I've updated my !vote. Resonant Distortion 15:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep Per ResonantDistortion. X ( talk) 20:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete also per WP:NOTINHERITED. Article is rife with the requisite heavy namedropping and coattailing (Jamie T in particular) in attempt to cover for lack of individual notability and weak press-release sourcing. Being nominated just once for a soundtrack song all the way back in 2010, signing an agreement, and his recent production for an unknown indie artist (Terra Twin) aren't enough for SIGCOV. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 00:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    (1) "all the way back in 2010" The date of the Grammy nomination is irrelevant as per WP:NTEMP, (2) Dring has been a Grammy nominee twice not once, the first in 2005, which is verified by a RS in the article, (3) The reason the article is "rife with the requisite heavy namedropping" is because the subject has made credited and verified contributions to a number of notable works, (4) two credited grammy nominations does rather indicate that notability by association does not apply, and (5) There are c. 14 words devoted to Jamie T, which does not appear undue, given that, for example, on the album Trick "sees Jamie T play all instruments alongside longterm collaborator James Dring" ( [12]). I know I am probably repeating myself, but WP:BASIC, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:COMPOSER all apply. Resonant Distortion 07:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete fails WP:MUSICBIO and fails WP:GNG. Can’t find independent reliable sources giving significant coverage. Contributor892z ( talk) 05:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Abdul Ameer

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This guy fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. A search seems to only one article with his name in it and it only covers him tangentially. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 23:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Rox De Luca

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Regrettably, I'm not seeing evidence that the subject passes WP:GNG/ WP:NARTIST. I hope to be proved wrong! IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 10:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment, there seem to be enough reputable sources on the page for notability. Will watch this discussion. Randy Kryn ( talk) 10:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, please let me know what is missing to make notability. louibu ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, considerable work has been done on this page since the AfD was posted. Can the discussion be closed and the notice removed? Louibu ( talk) 06:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm still not seeing evidence that the subject passes WP:NARTIST, so I won't be withdrawing the nomination. In particular, in my reading, the presented sources don't seem enough to constitute significant critical attention, nor is the subject's work represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, which seem the two easiest criteria for the subject to pass. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 08:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The discussion will run at least seven days. There is no reason present for a speedy close in either direction. Star Mississippi 13:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
          • Keep, evidence of the subject's work represented within permanent collections of several notable galleries has been added. Carolinephillips ( talk) 21:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
            What are these notable galleries, and where is the evidence? IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 22:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.roxdeluca.com/images/Gleaning_for_plastics_defying_wastefulness_by_Paul_Allatson_2020_.pdf Yes No This is a reupload on the subject's website of a blogspot article ( WP:SELFPUBLISH). No See WP:SELFPUBLISH. ✘ No
https://www.roxdeluca.com/index.php/artist-cv-curriculum-de-arte No This is the artist's CV. Yes See WP:ABOUTSELF. No See WP:ABOUTSELF. ✘ No
https://theculturetrip.com/pacific/australia/articles/sea-of-plastic-an-artists-quest-to-address-ocean-pollution Yes Yes Yes This is a travel guide website that ran an article on the artist. ✔ Yes
https://searchthecollection.nga.gov.au/object?keyword=anna%20de%20luca&searchIn=artistOrCulture&searchIn=title&searchIn=medium&uniqueId=127158 Yes Yes No Doesn't mention the subject; this is just the link to a painting by the subject's mother. ✘ No
https://gunyah.blogspot.com/search?q=rox+de+luca No This is a residency report from the subject itself on a blog. Yes See WP:ABOUTSELF. No See WP:ABOUTSELF. ✘ No
https://www.artshub.com.au/news/features/artists-giving-materials-a-new-life-2512531/ Yes Yes ~ This is a fairly short mention; the subject is not the main focus of the article, but is quoted, with some commentary on their work. ~ Partial
Millner, Jacqueline; Moore, Catriona (2022). Contemporary art and feminism. New York: Routledge. p. 193. Yes Yes Yes Offline source, accepting in good faith: according to the block quotation, this is a paragraph mention in the book. ✔ Yes
Brennan, Anne (1 December 1997). "Beyond reason: Jo Darbyshire and Rox De Luca". Eyeline. 35: 22–24. Yes Yes Yes Offline source, accepting in good faith, though the title suggests this may be an interview. ✔ Yes
https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/bitstream/10453/45398/2/The%20Transcultural%20Edge.pdf Yes Yes Yes A paragraph mention on the subject and their work. ✔ Yes
Allatson, Paul (1996). "Men and Mettle". Artlink. 16 (1): 24–26. Yes Yes Yes Offline source, accepting in good faith. ✔ Yes
https://www.gq.com.au/style/trends/the-style-download-15324/image-gallery/a1114634ed7db996d49f80ed40e73536 Yes Yes Yes Very short mention of the subject and one of their works. ✔ Yes
https://www.projectvortex.org/ No This is a project with which the artist is associated. Yes No Name doesn't even feature in the source. ✘ No
https://www.artshub.com.au/news/reviews/review-deakin-university-contemporary-small-sculpture-award-2018-256473-2360787/ Yes Yes No Very short, one-sentence mention of the subject and one of their works, which to me constitutes a trivial mention. ✘ No
https://www.unsw.edu.au/news/2017/07/the-inaugural-ravenswood-australian-womens-art-prize--finalists Yes Yes No Just the subject's name is mentioned. ✘ No
https://www.artshub.com.au/news/sponsored-content/turning-waste-into-art-is-a-community-affair-261135-2368551/ Yes Yes No Just the subject's name is mentioned. ✘ No
https://www.woollahragallery.com.au/Artists/Artist-in-Residence/Rox-de-Luca No This is her biography as an artist-in-residence, almost certainly written by the subject. Yes No See WP:ABOUTSELF. ✘ No
https://www.deakin.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/2192259/deakin_university_art_collection_artists.pdf Yes No No Just the subject's name is mentioned. ✘ No
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Your mileage may vary, but to me, these sources, assessed together, do not demonstrate that WP:GNG is met. In particular, we have only one "chunky" piece that focuses on the artist, while the rest are either borderline trivial mentions or the artist and their work are discussed, in no more than a paragraph, as a subtopic. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 10:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, the source analysis shows that sufficient sources have been obtained to reach GNG. Randy Kryn ( talk) 11:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep IMO WP:BASIC is marginally met. X ( talk) 13:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Consort Chen Farong

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No refs on the page for many years. Not seeing useful refs but they may exist in other languages. At present there are various claims on the page which should be removed per WP:V JMWt ( talk) 09:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and China. JMWt ( talk) 09:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Having written this a long time ago, I agree that it could and should be sourced better. However, as the mother of an emperor of a large state, she is inherently notable. -- Nlu ( talk) 18:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Nlu, any chance you remember what sources you used to write it? -- asilvering ( talk) 04:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete reluctantly. I don't see the sources. There's a paragraph in the Southern History [13] that discusses her. But secondary sources in English seem to be absent, and those in Chinese appear (I'm skimming here) to mainly be from Chinese Wikipedia or Baidu Baike or scrapes of those articles, or to be brief mentions in articles on her son. Oblivy ( talk) 03:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
(Redacted) 223.204.68.123 ( talk) 08:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I've redacted the comment. Thank you for your research on the sources below and for improving the article. These sources were difficult to find since it required four searches (the subject's two Chinese names and in the traditional and simplified Chinese representations of those names). It is not surprising that editors did not find sources. Oblivy does lots of good searches for sources for AfDs and is one of AfD's more thoughtful participants. Cunard ( talk) 09:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources
    1. Chen, Huaxin 陈华新 (1992). 中国历代后妃大观 [A Grand View of Chinese Concubines Through the Ages] (in Chinese). Shenzhen: Shenzhen Publishing House [ zh. p. 168. ISBN  9787805424675. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "陈法容发生性关系,于 469 年(宋明帝泰始五年)生了皇三子刘准(后来的宋顺帝) , 471 年封刘准为安成王,晋陈法容为昭华。 472 年明帝死,陈昭华为安成王太妃。 477 年刘准即位为宋顺帝,陈氏为皇太妃。 479 年顺帝禅位,萧道成称帝,建立齐朝,宋亡。陈法容被废去皇太妃称号。她大概死于齐朝初年。"

      From Google Translate: "Chen Farong had sexual relations and gave birth to the third son of the emperor Liu Zhun (later Emperor Shun of the Song Dynasty) in 469 (the fifth year of Taishi reign of Emperor Ming of the Song Dynasty). In 471, Liu Zhun was granted the title of King Ancheng, and Chen Farong of the Jin Dynasty was granted the title of Zhaohua. When Emperor Ming died in 472, Chen Zhaohua became Princess Ancheng. In 477, Liu Zhun ascended the throne as Emperor Shun of the Song Dynasty, and Chen became the imperial concubine. In 479, Emperor Shun ascended the throne, Xiao Daocheng proclaimed himself emperor, established the Qi Dynasty, and the Song Dynasty fell. Chen Farong was deprived of the title of Crown Princess. She probably died in the early years of the Qi Dynasty."

    2. 皇后妃嫔传 [The Queen's Concubines] (in Chinese). Hainan: Hainan Publishing House [ zh. 1994. pp. 126–127. ISBN  9787805907451. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes on page 126: "陈法容,生卒年不详,宋明帝的昭华。... 明帝的陈昭华名叫法容。"

      From Google Translate: "Chen Farong, whose birth and death dates are unknown, was born in Zhaohua, Emperor Ming of the Song Dynasty. ... Emperor Ming's Chen Zhaohua was named Farong."

      The book notes on page 127: "顺帝就是桂阳王刘休范的儿子,以陈昭华为母亲。明帝去世后,陈昭华被拜为安成王太妃。顺帝即位,进封陈昭华为皇太妃。顺帝将皇帝位禅让后,陈昭华被取消了皇太妃的称号。(赵元译)【原文】明帝陈昭华讳法容,丹阳建康人也。"

      From Google Translate: "Emperor Shun was the son of King Liu Xiufan of Guiyang, and his mother was Chen Zhaohua. After the death of Emperor Ming, Chen Zhaohua was worshiped as Princess Ancheng. Emperor Shun ascended the throne and granted Chen Zhaohua the title of Crown Princess. After Emperor Shun abdicated the throne, Chen Zhaohua was revoked from the title of Crown Princess. (Translated by Zhao Yuan) [Original text] Chen Zhaohua, Emperor Ming, was a native of Jiankang in Danyang."

    3. Dan, Bo 淡泊 (2006). 中华万姓谱 [Genealogy of Chinese Surnames] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Archives Publishing House [ zh. p. 1438. ISBN  9787801666819. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "陈法容( ? ~ ? ) ,女,南朝宋丹阳建康人。宋明帝昭华。宋顺帝即为陈法容所抚养。宋顺帝即位,进为皇太妃。"

      From Google Translate: "Chen Farong (? ~ ?), female, was born in Jiankang, Danyang, Southern Song Dynasty. Zhaohua, Emperor Ming of the Song Dynasty. Emperor Shun of the Song Dynasty was raised by Chen Farong. Emperor Shun of the Song Dynasty ascended the throne and became the imperial concubine."

    4. Tang, Xiejun 唐燮军 (2007). 六朝吴兴沈氏及其宗族文化探究 [Research on the Shen Family and Their Clan Culture in Wuxing During the Six Dynasties] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Social Sciences Press. p. 371. ISBN  9787500465034. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "考中華書局點校本《宋書·后妃·明帝陳昭華傳》云"

      From Google Translate: "According to the "Book of Song·Concubine·Ming Emperor Chen Zhaohua Biography" compiled by Zhonghua Book Company, it says"

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Chen Farong ( simplified Chinese: 陈法容; traditional Chinese: 陳法容), also known as Chen Zaohua ( Chinese: 陈昭华), to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability".

    Cunard ( talk) 08:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

'Keep happy to see this article kept, and it's justified based on the discussion in Southern History, the Chen Huaxin article and the lesser treatment in 皇后妃嫔传. Per WP:NBASIC we can combine multiple sources with less substantial treatment for biographical articles. Oblivy ( talk) 09:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. The issues raised in the debate (promo and such) can be addressed by careful editing. Randykitty ( talk) 07:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Zoran Kalabić

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The article is written in a blattantly promo way WP:PROMO. While there are some resources, there is a problem of WP:SNG, since most available resources are very promo-like, and there is no secondary and reliable coverage. After an online research, most available resources lack of independency and are written in a blatant way to promote this person, and most of these resources in a similar way are presented in his website: https://zorankalabic.com/biography/. It should be noted that there is a weird editing history, since the main editor created almost entirely a few months ago both the English and Serbian Wikipedia articles of this person, having a very minimal presence in editing other articles of Serbian people. Lately, the templates with notability issues were removed without any valid explanation, and the photos that are blatantly promo and were initially removed, were restored. Apart from notability issues with lack of reliable and independent resources, there may be a strong problem of WP:COI. Chiserc ( talk) 08:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep this is quite strange request here. Article is not promo, as there is nothing in it to make it like that. Subject is notable and i already explained that i have seen this person on television receiving highest medal of Republic of Serbia after some large donation to the hospital, and wanted to create article as it was incredible for me the person of such importance does not have article on Wikipedia. Some parts of the article were edited and fixed by other editors that actually wanted to contribute instead of this user who only insisted to tag the article and inform others to delete it, without actually working on article. That is normal way of working on article. Notability is without questions no problem at all, many sources are top level independent news agencies of the world so nominator also misrepresented sources quality. Photos were not deleted because they were promo, that is another blatant lie by nominator but because it took some time to confirm original ownership of them by website where i found them. When that was done they were restored as in many other articles. In the end article history shows only good proper editors who are actually trying to make article of this notable person better, and nominations without any proper Wikipedia work which fails good faith guideline, making false accusations about original author of the article. Also, templates with notability issues are not intended to indefinitely tag the articles, but to make explanation that further work is needed. Bit if none is actually trying to fix the article and tags are standing there for weeks without any further comment on talk page or edit, wiki guidelines allow them to be removed. You are not allowed just to restore them and never to point in detail what do you find problematic with this article. I feel that I should protect the article I wanted to create but not because I have COI, i dont, but because this person received highest awards by several countries and donated to many causes, which make it more then valuable and notable addition to Wiki. It baffles me is there anything else behind this request as most of the things article is nominated for are actually misrepresented, also having in mind nominator agenda to delete it for quite some time. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 06:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete no significant coverage from reliable sources Good day— RetroCosmos talk 19:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    User:RetroCosmos, Most important national public news services of European countries are very much reliable sources. Talking like Radio television of Serbia for example, there isn't anything more important and reliable than that. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 18:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Sources that appear to be should not be acceptable for the purposes of establishing notability Good day— RetroCosmos talk 21:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete Initial reaction is Delete. Article is a gushing account of this subject. Definitely MOS:PEACOCK. In conjunction with the simultaneous creation of English and Serbian articles, and a block of photos going up on Commons (lifted straight off subject's own website, with release emailed to VRT by the subject - WP:COI much?), this has the feeling of a PR job. Also the fact that the Wikidata Description was "one of the most successful Serbian businessmen in the diaspora" instead of a more appropriate "Serbian businessman". HOWEVER, this is only a Weak Delete. There might be a case to keep given that there appears to be a legit and (minorly) notable award in the Order of Karađorđe's Star. I'm mindful of WP:Globalise - I would not expect a lot of coverage in English language media and a lack of a profile in the BBC or NYT does not imply a lack of notability! Coverage in Serbian or German would also be acceptable. In that case though, this article needs an end-to-end rewrite to encyclopaedic style ( WP:MOS). About 30% of it needs to go, and the rest needs to be backed up by independent cites, not the subject's personal website. Hemmers ( talk) 15:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Hemmers is there a way to ask you to change your mind to week keep? I will be more then willing to follow your guidelines and to make article better, but he is really notable in more than a few countries following his donations and support. I find out about him over news following his donation of equipment to children's hospital, and it was incredible to me that such a person does not have Wikipedia article. There isn't anything of those things you mentioned. I was the one who took the photos from website because I found them there, and wanted to make article better as other articles look better with images. There are many important news services publishing about him, including central national ones like Radio Television of Serbia. Would be more then interested in fixing the article, even if it would be smaller, but i cannot understand why would we delete notable subject just because some of the content is not ok. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 18:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    P.S. wikidata description was the first sentence of the article, but that was deleted after other users explained it to me that we cannot use "big words" in articles. I didnt know that, and that's why it was like that. Please assume good faith, i didn't mean anything bad, and its not promotion, i just wanted to create nice article for someone who created many good things for many countries. That is my only motivation. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 18:23, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The difficulty is that I have searched for sources using google.at, google.rs and google.sr in an attempt to find additional coverage. Each search (for both Zoran Kalabić and Зоран Калабић) returns very few results, at the top of which are these wikipedia articles and the subject's personal website and social media.
    Whilst he does have the Order, this is not itself enough to establish notability. There are lots of people who do a great deal of philanthropic work, appear in local media and even get an MBE (in the UK). But they don't all get an article. WP requires sustained and substantial coverage which I am struggling to see.
    I am open to the idea that there is coverage which has not been indexed by google (because their coverage of non-English material is often flaky, particularly for Cyrillic and other non-Latin scripts), and that is why I am wary of deleting articles for subjects covered by those languages simply because Google does not trivially surface a load of English-language sources. There are undoubtedly many notable Serbs, Kenyans, Indonesians and Malay who are omitted from Wikipedia because native-English speakers are notoriously bad at foreign languages.
    Nonetheless, you need to bring those sources to bear, because I am increasingly unsure that they exist. A mention in RTS is not notable (everyone who receives an MBE is listed in The Times, but that does not automatically earn them an article). Likewise several of the sources are basically press releases or interviews - not substantial independent coverage. Hemmers ( talk) 10:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes, there are many more sources in Serbian I didn't included in the article, but I will list you here and add an article more if that will help, now I understand it will. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 10:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I don't understand why this article is nominated for deletion. It is quite relevant; this person is a well-known public figure. The article has reliable sources, and it is generally well written; there is no need to delete it. If someone is missing something, they can add or edit it. Bandzimir ( talk) 14:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    it is generally well written "generally" is doing quite a bit of heavy lifting there Good day— RetroCosmos talk 14:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I tend to agree with Hemmers that the only minor and possible aspect that may imply some notability is the Order of Karađorđe's Star. However, I have checked that these state awards and orders have been given by President of Serbia to many people, and, only during the last very few years, hundreds of institutions and people have taken this or even a higher state order - check the website: https://www.predsednik.rs/predsednik/ukazi-o-odlikovanjima. For this reason, while this award can indeed establish some notability, I see that this one fact cannot validate the notability of WP:ANYBIO for a well-known and significant award or honor, especially if the article continues to be a WP:SOAPBOX. Chiserc ( talk) 16:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm sorry but this is again very misleading I don't understand why are you doing this. The list you sent is a general list of all state awards that have been given by president, every single metal and awarded that was given throughout the years. That does not imply that quantity diminished quality, as it is one more lie in this nomination. Only 10 was given for entire year for entire country. So this award recived by this person is by far something important as it is for other countries. Please stop with this anti propaganda. Article is NOT the soap, and you have never pointed anything that is wrong with the article but you just keep repeating and tagging it without any proper explanation this is actually disruptive editing. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 20:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Article should stay since there is sufficient evidence that he is a public figure, but it should be reduced to appropriate size. For example, two photos from ERA events are absolutely not needed. One is more than enough. Parts of some sentences like "and is currently preparing for a doctorate" (Why is this relevant?) and "After a series of successful business years" (What's the evidence?) really make this article look like a PR project. Whoever wrote this should take care of it. But I still think that article should not be deleted. Tresnjevo ( talk) 07:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Thank you for your productive comments, i will fix and delete all of those great guidelines you pointed out. This means a lot to me to understand editing style, thank you. -- Pane.Vino.Wiki ( talk) 09:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: I believe this meets WP:ANYBIO#1, for Order of Karađorđe's Star. I don't agree that this one fact cannot validate the notability of WP:ANYBIO for a well-known and significant award or honor, especially if the article continues to be a WP:SOAPBOX; notability is a property of the subject, not the article. Furthermore, I agree with Pane.Vino.Wiki that this has been a disruptive, not a collaborative process. No one should be saying things like if the main author does not fix these issues, I will aggressively delete the offending texts. -- asilvering ( talk) 03:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Prince Nicolas of Sweden, Duke of Ångermanland

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I am nominating this article for failing to prove notability by WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. This is an 8-year-old child and should be redirected and merged into the parent article until such a time there is independent notability.

Move to restore redirect to Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland#Marriage and children section. Similar to Princess Leonore, Duchess of Gotland (9th in line for Succession to the Swedish throne). Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Again, all Royals and those of Scandinavias children have separate articles. Why should the Swedish royals be any different. Still passes WP:GNG. BabbaQ ( talk) 06:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. He is independently notable. His titles as prince and duke belong to him, not to his parents. The deletion of Princess Laetitia Maria of Belgium was probably a mistake. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Eastmain - it was likely not a mistake. A great number of adolescent children of nobility redirected to their parents regardless of their title/station. As noted above, please see previous AFDs of children of nobility. Additionally, King Gustaf's grandchildren no longer have royal titles (albeit a bit more nuanced). Just being a noble is not automatic notability (see the failed WP:NR discussion). Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    This is where most of you have it wrong including the Harpe Bazzer article cited the child of prince Carl Philip and Princess Madeleine only lost their styles of His/Her Royal Highness but they are still prince(s) and Princess (s) of Sweden, Duke(s) and Duchesses and still in the line of succession [1] they are listed by the royal court of Sweden as members of the royal family and are not required to perform any duties incumbent of the head of state Ug culture ( talk) 05:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    [2] Ug culture ( talk) 06:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per nom. The fact that this article contains no information about his life since his christening suggests that he is probably not in the public spotlight. In fact, he and his sisters have had their royal status downgraded since they were born; since 2019, they no longer have the style of "royal highness" and are no longer considered members of the Royal House, although they remain princes and princesses and members of the Royal Family. [14] Practically speaking, this means that as adults they will be expected to pursue careers outside royal duties rather than being paid by the monarch from government funds. (That's not mentioned in this article, but is mentioned at the redirect target.) If, in the future, Nicolas does go into the public spotlight, whether as a socialite or as anything else, the article can be re-created at that time. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    His grandfather's sisters(The Haga princesses) are nolonger members of the royal house and their articles are in existence.why then should articles of those who is in the line of succession be deleted and members who are not be retained Ug culture ( talk) 05:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The criterion we use is not "Is this person in the line of succession?" but rather "Do we have enough significant coverage of the person in reliable independent sources to warrant an article?". Among persons related to monarchs, there may be some who are excluded from the succession but remain public figures and thus generate significant coverage, while others may be in the line of succession but out of the public eye at least for now (particularly young children). -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    And that is an approach that can be strongly questioned. Princes and princesses of reigning royal families are per definition important persons who warrant their own articles. Therefore, this article should be kept, and the deleted articles of his siblings and cousins should be reinstated. Marbe166 ( talk) 09:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    if we are to go by this then Former Monarch of Denmark's grandchildren (prince Joachim's children) whose titles have been taken away and they do not generate significant coverage their articles have not been withdrawn and like Marbe166 said the deleted articles of prince Nicolas's siblings and his cousins should be reinstated Ug culture ( talk) 19:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ https://www.kungahuset.se/english/royal-house. {{ cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= ( help)
  2. ^ https://people.com/royals/princess-madeleine-and-prince-carl-philips-kids-were-stripped-of-their-royal-titles-by-the-king/. {{ cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= ( help)
  • Keep addendum: over 4 000 hits in Mediearkivet Retriever [ sv. Okay, some of them are about the Greek prince and the remainder is ~90% gossipy tabloids, which still leaves a couple of hundred hits in Swedish mainstream newspapers. I don't buy that we should have special rules for the nobility, it's the 21st century after all, but neither should anti-royalist sentiments cloud our judgement. Draken Bowser ( talk) 09:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC) ( talk) 07:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect. Articles shouldn't be recreated in violation of a previous community discussion. There's insufficient here for a standalone article at present. Celia Homeford ( talk) 10:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Grandson of a ruling monarch and meets WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect First, I can't see how he meets WP:GNG. In many AfD discussions the phrase "Meets WP:GNG" seems to be just an elaborate WP:VOTE. If you think that he falls into WP:GNG, please explain why, otherwise your contribution does not provide much progress into a discussion. Second, please refer to the 2020 AfD discussion. If you want to reach a different consensus, you should explain what changed since then. Third, just beeing related to someone notable, like a ruling monarch, does not mean automatic notability, see WP:BIORELATED. -- Theoreticalmawi ( talk) 17:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect: Titles are not, and should not be, part of the criteria for NBASIC. All of the coverage is about him as a relation to his parents and even then a lot of them are just photo galleries which do not amount to substantial coverage, which is to be expected as a christening is a pretty routine event - so they do not meet GNG by my reckoning. I don't know what is meant by Marbe166 saying per definition important persons who warrant their own articles, what definition is this refering to? Being an heir to anything shouldn't confer notability since notability is not inhereted. It is reasonble to assume that there will be coverage of this subject once he grows up, but since that's in the futre there's no good reason to have an article at the moment. ---- D'n'B- t -- 17:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Restore redirect to Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland#Marriage and children: Per Nom. Lacks notability. Wikipedia is not a genealogy outlet nor is notability of royal households inherited (Example: Just being the grandson of a ruling monarch is not a stepping stone to an article), See WP:BLPFAMILY. Lacks significant, reliable, and independent coverage for a stand alone article. Bringing in that other stuff exists means there might be more AFD's needed. Notability (royalty) is a failed proposal. It states: "Anyone who was, at one point, an official member of a ruling family of a country is considered notable", which is against current community consensus. There is no compelling evidence that anything changed since consensus for the redirect. The people magazine source stated they "lost their official HRH (His/Her Royal Highness) titles" and further, "will no longer be members of The Royal House". The parents of the children involved all made statements they support the Kings decision so their children can have more privacy. Wikipedia should honor this for children. -- Otr500 ( talk) 06:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I strongly agree with this. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 14:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per precedent ( WP:OUTCOMES). What's good for Great Britain is good for Sweden. Bearian ( talk) 12:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • The relevant section of WP:OUTCOMES -- which isn't even a policy or guideline anyway -- doesn't particularly support keeping this article. It says, "The descendants of monarchs or nobles, especially deposed ones, are not considered notable for this reason alone. The principle that Wikipedia articles are not genealogical entries is often mentioned in this context. But persons who are active in their capacity as a member of a royal house or as a holder of a title of nobility will often receive media coverage for it, which may help establish their notability according to the general notability guideline." (See WP:MONARCH.) Prince Nicolas, as an 8-year-old child, is not exactly "active" in the capacity of a member of a royal house. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect: Redirect to mother and revdel everything. Nicolas is a non-public figure, a child that has done nothing notable, and the only coverage about him is from royal-watching tabloid publications. The keep votes basically amount to "he has a royal title" or "he's in a royal family", but there's no SNG that says every royal gets a page no matter what. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Comment: Several of the keep !votes above rely on the fact that other article exist and that we'd also have to delete other articles if this one is deleted. WP:WHATABOUTX is a bad argument because we evaluate each article on its individual merits, not in reference to what other articles we may or may not have. Those !votes should be completely discounted. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 14:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Further comment: Otr500 provides a great reason for REVDEL here: these children are no longer in the line of succession and the press coverage is about them existing, not about them doing anything notable. Our policies (BLP) require that we respect the privacy of these children. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 14:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. One look at Swedish-language sources shows that the guy gets sufficient coverage to warrant an article. Cortador ( talk) 06:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per nom. DrKay ( talk) 07:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mehr Hassan

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Fails WP:Notability Wikibear47 ( talk) 17:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep: Has been in multiple films that seem to have wikipedia articles of their own. As per: WP:ARTIST, criteria 3, that should probably be enough.
also, seems like this is the 3rd nomination. User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete: The newspapers used now in the article for sourcing are all there is for this person; I don't see notability beyond the local level. I can't find any mention of them otherwise. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The fact she has been seen on multiple movies which has a wikipedia page doesn't qualify her to have a wikipedia page. This is just like the case of Lucy Grantham (2nd nomination). The subject Mehr Hassan fails WP:GNG. Her first AFD which was keep was just a two vote of keep which was still saying because she appeared in a movie. No independent reliable source, No award won or being nominated as an actress or dancer. I really don't see anything notable. -- Meligirl5 ( talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable films. The Louisville Courier article too makes a case for notability. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Does having just one reliable source qualifies a person of having a Wikipedia page?

Hassan started her dancing career as a stage performer in the United States.

How do we believe such statement with no reliable source.?-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 00:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Soft Keep. WP:NACTOR appears to hold here for now, although perhaps the articles for the films she starred should be reviewed for their notability. The bottom line is that long as those films are notable, she is, if barely. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 16:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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François Mathieu

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Fails WP:GNG & WP:NARTIST. Gedaali ( talk) 02:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. There are other potentially notable people with this name, including fr:François Mathieu, a French senator, as well as a Quebec sculptor. I don't see an article about this painter in the French Wikipedia. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 15:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Leopoldo Soto Norambuena

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Article is based entirely on work by the subject and has no evidence of third-party notability. Almost identical to article previously speedy deleted and salted as Leopoldo Soto * Pppery * it has begun... 18:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Henry Hereford

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about an actor, and added a reference to his employer's website; but cannot find significant coverage in reliable sources, and do not think he meets WP:NACTOR. Tacyarg ( talk) 13:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Not an article for deletion - definitely meets the criteria for actor. Multiple credits in major film and tv shows. 2600:1700:4640:E70:ECCA:5D5:421E:ECB4 ( talk) 13:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Not sure what you mean by "employer". Henry is an established actor having been on several films and TV shows as referenced in IMDB and trade magazines. There is no reason this page would be deleted. Thefilmsorcerer ( talk) 22:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Fails GNG or NACTOR. A 21st-century actor and yet yields no results in Google News tells a lot. General searches also did not produce anything of use. Other than 1-2, the used refs aren't about him rather the films/shows he's starred in. X ( talk) 05:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Michele Fitzgerald

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Notable for only winning Survivor: Kaôh Rōng. I think her runner-up finish in Survivor: Winners at War doesn't have enough depth or substantial coverage to be as equally notable as her Survivor win, despite being highly focused there. Same can be said about her appearances in The Challenge, where she hasn't yet won. I don't think she qualifies for WP:NENT either. Must be redirected to Survivor: Kaôh Rōng per WP:BIO1E (if WP:BLP1E doesn't apply), WP:PAGEDECIDE, or WP:BIODELETE. George Ho ( talk) 01:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I think more independent reliable source are needed.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 09:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    How do independent reliable sources make BLP1E or BIO1E inapplicable? Even meeting WP:N or GNG would not outweigh the topic's potential failures to comply with the project's policy toward such biographies, but I bet you disagree, eh? George Ho ( talk) 09:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I clearly understood she was only notable because she won in a notable event. But I can’t say delete or keep because the biography tells more than just the notable event but fails providing sources to meet WP:GNG. So I just had to suggest an opinion that could help to meet WP:GNG. Other editors are welcome to say what they feel.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 11:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Oppose deletion because of her performance in both of her Survivor seasons, but I agree more independent reliable sources are needed. JohnAdams1800 ( talk) 20:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Meligirl5 and JohnAdams1800: What are your thoughts on redirecting the article to Survivor: Kaôh Rōng, an alternative to deletion? George Ho ( talk) 20:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Semzi

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Fails WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER. Sources are either passing mentions, interviews, PRs, or not even mentioning the subject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 11:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep: I'm almost certain the award nominations are notable, but we still need better sourcing for more biographical information. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    More research would be done to support article with more sourcing for biographical information. The subject is quite a notable individual with just probably limited press publications ReoMartins ( talk) 18:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ ReoMartins Well, now you’re taking. As far as I know, there are a lot of notable people in real life who can’t a Wikipedia entry because they don’t meet the necessary Wikipedia notability criteria. Wikipedia’s notability is not exactly real world notability. The current status of this article doesn’t meet up, not that they’re not notable or influential in real life. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 19:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. The subject does not meet any criteria outlined in WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited in the article actually discuss the subject. His nominations at the Beatz Awards aren't enough to justify a stand-alone article.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 15:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep: I agree with Oaktree B that this is a weak keep due to the award nominations. His other sources are weak. Maxcreator ( talk) 03:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Draftify: and mark as promised. Majority of the sources in the article doesn't meet SIGCOV and while the awards merits notability: it's still not much for a standalone entry on Wikipedia. I will remove some sources that didn't add to notability. For my vote (if draftified) can be marked as "promising", since there is a partial way to notability in the future! Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 20:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/02/bad-boy-timz-is-one-of-nigerias-best-singers-ive-worked-with-semzi/amp/ Yes Was talking about the subject Yes Vanguard is reliable per WP:NGRS ~ Much like an about music interview ~ Partial
https://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/weekend-beats/producing-songs-for-davido-mayorkun-the-highlight-of-my-career-so-far-semzi/ Yes Ditto Yes Guardian Nigeria is reliable per WP:NGRS No Normally, Weekend Beats sounds like PR ✘ No
https://the49thstreet.com/49th-exclusive-semzi/ Yes Above No Blog sites No Interview and blog post ✘ No
https://pan-african-music.com/en/nigerian-producers-2022/ ~ A list that mentions articles, more of featuring, no PR here ~ See editorial No List ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/review-dj-consequence-vibes-from-the-future/jhle44r No No mention Yes Per WP:NGRS No No mention ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timzs-mj/ No No mention Yes Ditto No No mention ✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/11/nicki-minaj-nas-ifeanyi-adeleke-feature-on-davidos-a-better-time-album/ No No metion Yes Per above No No mention of the subject ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/mayorkun-features-victony-on-holy-father/jbrp0lg No Ditto Yes See above No No mention ✘ No
https://www.okayafrica.com/joeboy-drops-new-music-album/ No No mention Yes Okay Africa is reliable No Applied same as above ✘ No
https://www.morebranches.com/omah-lay-couples-with-more-emotions-on-the-deluxe-version-of-boy-alone/ No No mention No Not a reliable source, blog or PR No Same as above ✘ No
https://guardian.ng/life/listen-ajebo-hustlers-featuring-fave-in-love/ No Mention! Yes Why not? No More like PR—get away magazine mention; just mention ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timz-serves-new-visuals-for-faya-from-empires-where-we-come-from-vol-1-compilation-album/ No Passing mention Yes Per WP:NGRS No Inherent mention ✘ No
https://www.max1023.fm/boy-spyce-releases-new-single-relationship/ No Les or no mention Yes Max FM is a Lagos based television channel No Inherent notability only on Boy Source ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/no-bad-boy-no-party-highlights-significant-moments-in-bad-boy-timzs-journey/ No Passing mention Yes Culture custodian is a reliable source No Still on production. Inherent notability ✘ No
https://soundcity.tv/afropop-sensation-bad-boy-timz-unveils-debut-album-no-bad-boy-no-party/ No Focuses on Bad Boy Time, a Nigerian artist Yes Sound City TV is a Nigerian television music channel No Focus lacking on the subject ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/victony-features-14-artists-on-new-song-ohema/8988dbp No Passing mention Yes Like above No Doesn't meet notability ✘ No
https://randr.ng/nominations-list-the-beatz-award-2021/ No List No Rhythm and Rhyme is a blog site No List ✘ No
https://thebeatzawards.com/winners-perfecto/ ~ List Yes For the award but not for other citations No Being nominated doesn't mean notability. Per WP:ENT, the subject must have been nominated multiple times of a major award ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.
  • Delete: After analysis of the source above, I was convinced of the many "passing mentions", "no mention" and more generated in citing sources relating to PR. Nothing to draftify again. It doesn't meet WP:THREE for sources, WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCER. Each of the sources either mention, or not at all, or about a music one of an artist he had worked for previously. Delete is the "best" alternative. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 13:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
In one of the discussions and sources, it submits an evidence about this act who just recently co-produced a track that has over ten credible and notable artistes from Sub-Sahara Africa featured. These artistes have their wiki pages, I believe the professional who takes up the task to fuse these different acts into a single musical project is worthy of an article on Wikipedia as well. ReoMartins ( talk) 13:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ ReoMartins It is imperative for you to know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason for you to think an article should be kept. You should also importantly see WP:INHERITED. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Liz, there is already a consensus here if by analysis of the arguments above. Isn't see the reason for relisting. Most importantly, the keep isn't strong enough or showed how the article meets inclusion. The source table can also be reviewed to see blatant addition of sources that doesn't mention the article. (Just a 'simpler' suggestion. ) —  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 09:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ SafariScribe Hehe, if I was an administrator, I would have relisted this discussion too, so don't worry, Liz made the right decision. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Vanderwaalforces, Sure. It's just that Liz doesn't take time analysing such deletions. Welp, it's good getting clearer consensus. —  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 14:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Safari Scribe, well, that's quite an insult I didn't expect to see when I was reviewing open AFD discussions tonight. I'll just leave this one for another closer to handle since you are unsatisfied with how I'm handling things. Again, this is a volunteer hobby, not a job and nothing obligates me to close or relist any AFD discussion but I try to use my best judgment. But I'll leave this one alone and someone else can eventually close it. Liz Read! Talk! 06:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Working with subjects that pass GNG is not enough to provide notability. While I see subject having some nominations, I fail to see WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER here by secondary sources. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 13:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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