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Priyadarshini Raje Scindia
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WP:BLP that makes few claims to notability other than her marriage to a notable politician. Recent coverage relates to her campaigning in the current Indian election, hardly demonstrating significant coverage. AusLondonder ( talk) 08:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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AusLondonder (
talk) 08:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. She has done notable work for the society. ( https://www.travelandleisureasia.com/in/people/interview-with-tl-champion-community-empowerment-priyadarshini-raje-scindia/). Shobhit Gosain Talk 17:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Married to politician does not establish notability. The subject has not made significant, interesting, or unusual achievement enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Fails WP:N. RangersRus ( talk) 12:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article lacks sources to prove the subject's notability beyond her marriage to a politician. Being mentioned in a newspaper, journal, or magazine doesn't always guarantee notability. She has made little independent notable achievements for an article. ZyphorianNexus ( talk) 13:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: At most, this page could be merged with that of her husband. — TheWikiholic ( talk) 18:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Honorary Chaplain to the King
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This page is fundamentally flawed. The position of Honorary Chaplain to the King is a military appointment, for serving regular and reserve chaplains in the British and some Commonwealth armed forces. However much of the text refers to Chaplains to the King, who are members of the Ecclesiastical Household of the Royal Household, and are civilians, usually senior parish priests. I do not believe that the article can be repaired. As an alternative to deletion it would have to be wholly rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncox001 ( talk • contribs) 10:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC); listed on the log at 21:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. The inaccuracies can easily be ironed out but the topic is notable. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails GNG. Nothing found in article or BEFORE that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. If sources are found that provide direct and indepth coverage, ping me. // Timothy :: talk 03:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep The nominator's contention is incorrect - Honorary Chaplain to the King is NOT a military appointment. In recent times a number of HCs have been appointed from the forces but many are also appointed who have no link to the forces. All are absolutely part of the ecclesiastical household. As such, the assertion that the article "cannot be repaired" is flawed. It should be improved, perhaps by starting here (p304) which details the creation of the position in 1881.---- Pontificalibus 06:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
List of rulers of Shan states
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Article is a collection of 77 unsourced genealogies, with four footnotes. There is probably a notable list for this topic, but in its current state, WP:TNT is needed to make room; if all the unsourced genealogy material was removed, there would a a title and categories. Wikipedia is not a genealogy site. // Timothy :: talk 13:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Calling this a genealogy would be the same as calling List of French monarchs a genealogy; technically not incorrect but a bit silly as it is a list of rulers. Certainly passes WP:NLIST; for instance, in the appendix of this book, there is a list of the rulers of about 35 of these states from 1887 to 1959. It seems the majority of the present article is derived from WorldStatesman [1], which is of course deprecated. WP:TNT is an option that is on the table. Curbon7 ( talk) 22:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep: I don't know if it's past the WP:TNT tipping point yet. It's likely that much of the content could be sourced from the generic references. Don't think the material is necessarily controversial enough to mandate WP:INLINE citations. Of course, it's also likely that WorldStatesman is the true source, hence the weak keep. I don't personally have much time to edit this week, but I could go through the book Curbon listed or find other books I do have on Shan states and try to inline cite some the week after that. But doesn't seem unrecoverable and full of misinformation just because of a lack of inline citations. EmeraldRange ( talk/ contribs) 03:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Here are some recent (last couple of weeks) examples of why TNT is needed:
[2],
[3],
[4]. None of this is sourced, no one can tell if these edits are correct or not. The article is too far gone to expect anyone to fix it. //
Timothy ::
talk 08:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Good selections- as far as I can tell it isn't merely even changes in romanizations/inconsistent dating between chronicles. Changing my vote to agree on TNT grounds. EmeraldRange ( talk/ contribs) 17:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Essentially no citations. Celia Homeford ( talk) 11:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Béatrice d'Hirson
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fails general notability guideline. entire section in the article about her apperance in fiction. french article has no citations. ltb d l ( talk) 03:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: appearance in fiction and film contributes to her notability and is a reason for Wikipedia to have the article, to satisfy the curiosity of the viewer/reader who wants to know "Who was she?" "Was she fact or fiction?". Pam D 08:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This is a badly worded deletion request, which makes it difficult to reply to. However even significant fictional characters can be notable. "The Accursed Kings" may not be well known in Britain, although the 1972 adaptation was shown on British television, but I believe it is well known in France. Whether the French Wikipedia version has citations is completely irrelevant, this version now has some. PatGallacher ( talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- irrelevant aside - I loved watching this on tv in the early seventies and have not seen any mention of it anywhere for more than fifty years until reading this AfD. You’ve all made my day. Mccapra ( talk) 07:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: French article appears to be PROMO for the film listed, I think this was a translation of that effort. I don't see anything about this person not related to the film. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Thierry Larchier d'Hirson. This article (Béatrice's uncle) already mentioned her, and the TV series, in which he also appears. I've added the cast info for Béatrice there, so no info or sources will be lost with the redirect. Thanks.— TAnthony Talk 19:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - reasonable presence in fiction and got reasonable coverage as fictional character regardless obscurity in flesh. - Altenmann >talk 03:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing found meeting WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. No sources provided by keep votes, which just boil down to ILIKEIT, not guidelines and sources, let alone sources with indepth content about subject. // Timothy :: talk 03:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
The following royalty and nobility-related Deletion reviews are currently open for discussion:
This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Royalty and nobility. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.
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Archived discussions (starting from September 2007) may be found at:| watch |
For the general policy on the inclusion of individual people in Wikipedia, see WP:BIO.
Priyadarshini Raje Scindia
- Priyadarshini Raje Scindia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:BLP that makes few claims to notability other than her marriage to a notable politician. Recent coverage relates to her campaigning in the current Indian election, hardly demonstrating significant coverage. AusLondonder ( talk) 08:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
People,
Politics,
Royalty and nobility,
India, and
Madhya Pradesh.
AusLondonder (
talk) 08:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. She has done notable work for the society. ( https://www.travelandleisureasia.com/in/people/interview-with-tl-champion-community-empowerment-priyadarshini-raje-scindia/). Shobhit Gosain Talk 17:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Married to politician does not establish notability. The subject has not made significant, interesting, or unusual achievement enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Fails WP:N. RangersRus ( talk) 12:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article lacks sources to prove the subject's notability beyond her marriage to a politician. Being mentioned in a newspaper, journal, or magazine doesn't always guarantee notability. She has made little independent notable achievements for an article. ZyphorianNexus ( talk) 13:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: At most, this page could be merged with that of her husband. — TheWikiholic ( talk) 18:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Honorary Chaplain to the King
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This page is fundamentally flawed. The position of Honorary Chaplain to the King is a military appointment, for serving regular and reserve chaplains in the British and some Commonwealth armed forces. However much of the text refers to Chaplains to the King, who are members of the Ecclesiastical Household of the Royal Household, and are civilians, usually senior parish priests. I do not believe that the article can be repaired. As an alternative to deletion it would have to be wholly rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncox001 ( talk • contribs) 10:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC); listed on the log at 21:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility, Christianity, and United Kingdom. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The inaccuracies can easily be ironed out but the topic is notable. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 10:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG. Nothing found in article or BEFORE that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. If sources are found that provide direct and indepth coverage, ping me. // Timothy :: talk 03:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The nominator's contention is incorrect - Honorary Chaplain to the King is NOT a military appointment. In recent times a number of HCs have been appointed from the forces but many are also appointed who have no link to the forces. All are absolutely part of the ecclesiastical household. As such, the assertion that the article "cannot be repaired" is flawed. It should be improved, perhaps by starting here (p304) which details the creation of the position in 1881.---- Pontificalibus 06:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
List of rulers of Shan states
- List of rulers of Shan states ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article is a collection of 77 unsourced genealogies, with four footnotes. There is probably a notable list for this topic, but in its current state, WP:TNT is needed to make room; if all the unsourced genealogy material was removed, there would a a title and categories. Wikipedia is not a genealogy site. // Timothy :: talk 13:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Royalty and nobility, and Myanmar. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Calling this a genealogy would be the same as calling List of French monarchs a genealogy; technically not incorrect but a bit silly as it is a list of rulers. Certainly passes WP:NLIST; for instance, in the appendix of this book, there is a list of the rulers of about 35 of these states from 1887 to 1959. It seems the majority of the present article is derived from WorldStatesman [1], which is of course deprecated. WP:TNT is an option that is on the table. Curbon7 ( talk) 22:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep: I don't know if it's past the WP:TNT tipping point yet. It's likely that much of the content could be sourced from the generic references. Don't think the material is necessarily controversial enough to mandate WP:INLINE citations. Of course, it's also likely that WorldStatesman is the true source, hence the weak keep. I don't personally have much time to edit this week, but I could go through the book Curbon listed or find other books I do have on Shan states and try to inline cite some the week after that. But doesn't seem unrecoverable and full of misinformation just because of a lack of inline citations. EmeraldRange ( talk/ contribs) 03:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Here are some recent (last couple of weeks) examples of why TNT is needed:
[2],
[3],
[4]. None of this is sourced, no one can tell if these edits are correct or not. The article is too far gone to expect anyone to fix it. //
Timothy ::
talk 08:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Good selections- as far as I can tell it isn't merely even changes in romanizations/inconsistent dating between chronicles. Changing my vote to agree on TNT grounds. EmeraldRange ( talk/ contribs) 17:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Essentially no citations. Celia Homeford ( talk) 11:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 03:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 05:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Béatrice d'Hirson
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fails general notability guideline. entire section in the article about her apperance in fiction. french article has no citations. ltb d l ( talk) 03:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and France. ltb d l ( talk) 03:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: appearance in fiction and film contributes to her notability and is a reason for Wikipedia to have the article, to satisfy the curiosity of the viewer/reader who wants to know "Who was she?" "Was she fact or fiction?". Pam D 08:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This is a badly worded deletion request, which makes it difficult to reply to. However even significant fictional characters can be notable. "The Accursed Kings" may not be well known in Britain, although the 1972 adaptation was shown on British television, but I believe it is well known in France. Whether the French Wikipedia version has citations is completely irrelevant, this version now has some. PatGallacher ( talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- irrelevant aside - I loved watching this on tv in the early seventies and have not seen any mention of it anywhere for more than fifty years until reading this AfD. You’ve all made my day. Mccapra ( talk) 07:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: French article appears to be PROMO for the film listed, I think this was a translation of that effort. I don't see anything about this person not related to the film. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Thierry Larchier d'Hirson. This article (Béatrice's uncle) already mentioned her, and the TV series, in which he also appears. I've added the cast info for Béatrice there, so no info or sources will be lost with the redirect. Thanks.— TAnthony Talk 19:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - reasonable presence in fiction and got reasonable coverage as fictional character regardless obscurity in flesh. - Altenmann >talk 03:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing found meeting WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. No sources provided by keep votes, which just boil down to ILIKEIT, not guidelines and sources, let alone sources with indepth content about subject. // Timothy :: talk 03:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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