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Alamgir Hashmi
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This BLP reads like a CV. None of the listed works or awards strike me as noteworthy or notable, indicating a failure to meet WP:AUTHOR. Additionally, there appears to be a lack of significant coverage in WP:RS, which means the subject also fails basic WP:GNG. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 13:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Oxford Companion to Twentieth-Century Poetry in English (1 ed.) (available through Wikimedia Library, excerpted here):
Hashmi, Alamgir (1951– ), was born in Lahore, educated in Pakistan and the United States, and has worked as a professor of English, editor, and broadcaster. His early work ... is characterized by a terse, witty, imagistic style, and reveals a recurring preoccupation with language, time, and place. The poet's peripatetic career in America, Europe, and Pakistan is reflected in the concerns of his subsequent collections, .... As Hashmi has developed, there has been a broadening of human sympathies and an emerging political awareness which have modified the virtuosity and self-absorption of some of his earliest writing. His most recent publications are ....
- I would vote Keep by
WP:GNG if a similar source was found. FYI, I removed the author bio paragraph that was completely uncited and appears to have been included verbatim from the author's personal website. This may be a copyright concern.
Suriname0 (
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- I acknowledge that there is some coverage available. However, the concern lies in the insufficient extent of coverage to meet the WP:SIGCOV. The subject is listed on Oxford Reference, just because some of their work must have been hosted by Oxford University Press but I'm sure that won't make him WP:IHN. -— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 16:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Unusually for a poet, there is plenty of in-depth coverage of him and his work to be found [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] — David Eppstein ( talk) 17:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep While the article needs work, there are tons of citations out there proving this poet meets notability guidelines, including in-depth analysis of the poet's works in various literary journals accessible through the Wikipedia Library.-- SouthernNights ( talk) 21:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per the sources identified by David Eppstein. Suriname0 ( talk) 20:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Clark College, Murray State University
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Subject is not independently notable - notability is not inherited from its unquestionably notable parent organization ElKevbo ( talk) 11:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hester College, Murray State University
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Subject is not independently notable - notability is not inherited from its unquestionably notable parent organization. ElKevbo ( talk) 11:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Regents College, Murray State University
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Subject is not independently notable - notability is not inherited from its unquestionably notable parent organization ElKevbo ( talk) 11:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Richmond College, Murray State University
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Subject is not independently notable - notability is not inherited from its unquestionably notable parent organization. ElKevbo ( talk) 11:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Statue of Roberto Clemente (Louisville, Kentucky)
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Not a notable statue. And I don't know how relevant this is but the location is also not significant to the baseball player who is depicted. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, a prominent artwork in the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory museum's statue gallery, this statue is only one of two of Clemente on Wikipedia. I'm not understanding why it should be deleted, although it's a stub that could be expanded with text and a photograph the statue depicts one of America's most famous and honored baseball players and humanitarians. Randy Kryn ( talk) 11:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- delete unless some actual content can be scraped together in which case it might just merit a merge, either to the man or the museum. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect. This subject is reasonably notable per sources provided in the article and its talk page, but the question here really is whether there will ever be enough content to ever stretch this beyond a tiny stub. Coverage of this subject in Legacy of Roberto Clemente or Roberto Clemente should suffice. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 17:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect I found several local sources covering the unveiling of the statue at the museum, but they all basically say the same thing about a routine ceremony for a routine statue (this museum has seven of them in its gallery) about an extraordinary man. Without further
WP:LASTING coverage, I don't think we need an article so say that so-and-so attended this event when
Legacy of Roberto Clemente and
Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory can cover the museum's exhibits and collection and his various forms of recognition. There are many other local news pieces about the museum's other exhibits, awards, artifacts, and events; this being a statue doesn't mean it can't still be covered in the main articles. The fame of the subject and the number of statues there are of him is not relevant to whether this particular one needs a stand-alone article. (
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- @ Reywas92, if it has to be merged, would prefer a merge and redirect to Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. Clemente has many, many statues of him in hundreds of locations and I don't think - I'm sure you would agree - every statue of Clemente merits a mention in the main articles. There are a few mentioned in the article which are relevant to Clemente's legacy or if he has a personal to the place. The obvious one, of course, is Pittsburgh.
- There are hundreds of statues of Roberto Clemente? Where? There is this one in the museum of the Louisville Slugger bat manufacturer and there is one in Pittsburgh. Having articles about these two prominent statues are not overwhelming Wikipedia servers and should be kept. Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's a
WP:EVERYTHING argument "Wikipedia has space for it", not based on policy. I think Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory would be the better merge/redirect target, though Legacy of Roberto Clemente should also mention it. I don't think the statue is even that "prominent", it's just one of seven similar ones inside the museum, with no coverage beyond the museum's unveiling event. Not that any public art is automatically notable, but larger ones outdoors are at least sometimes included in various guides as visible local landmarks or don't always have obvious redirect targets like parts of a museum's exhibits.
Reywas92
Talk 21:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- To answer Randy's question: according to the Society of American Baseball Research, Clemente has more statues and memorials than anyone in sports other than Pele, the great football player. There are several in Puerto Rico and numerous on mainland United States. Here is the link if you're interested.
- But I would say the statue outside the PNC Park, the stadium of the only MLB team he played for, in the American city with which he is most associated with, is a far more prominent than one of seven statues in a museum located in a city where he - as far as I can tell - never set foot in. It is not uncommon for museums to have a statue series. The Baseball Hall of Fame have quite a few statues in its building as well, including one of Clemente (which itself is part of one statue, alongside Jackie Robinson and Lou Gehrig).
- And to clarify to @
Reywas92: the statue's mention can be added manually of course and I will do so. What I meant was that the article redirect itself should be to the Museum's page.
Omnis Scientia (
talk) 20:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the good research. Since there are only eight statues I don't understand why articles about them should be deleted (a merge is a delete's twin). There are multiple articles on Wikipedia about statues of the same individual, some of America's founders among them. People have put up eight statues of Roberto Clemente because he deserves much honor and respect. Maybe if there were hundreds of statues, an article on each one might be an overload. But since there are only eight, and other individuals have many more than that, the only reason I can see merging is if an article is written about the bat museum's notable statue gallery (and not just about the museum in general). Keeping this stand-alone page also maintains two major Wikipedia collections: Baseball, and statues (a major part of Wikipedia's visual art collection).
Randy Kryn (
talk) 03:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've given the statue collection its own section; these aren't a single exhibit or gallery. Expansion is welcome there but a separate article just for that is unnecessary. But this can cover the baseball and art "collections", without the need for individual standalone pages for individual items. I've also expanded Legacy of Roberto Clemente to describe this honor and respect. Reywas92 Talk 14:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the good research. Since there are only eight statues I don't understand why articles about them should be deleted (a merge is a delete's twin). There are multiple articles on Wikipedia about statues of the same individual, some of America's founders among them. People have put up eight statues of Roberto Clemente because he deserves much honor and respect. Maybe if there were hundreds of statues, an article on each one might be an overload. But since there are only eight, and other individuals have many more than that, the only reason I can see merging is if an article is written about the bat museum's notable statue gallery (and not just about the museum in general). Keeping this stand-alone page also maintains two major Wikipedia collections: Baseball, and statues (a major part of Wikipedia's visual art collection).
Randy Kryn (
talk) 03:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
WBNM-LD
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Fails WP:GNG; another diginet coatrack. Could merge with sister station WBNA. Mvcg66b3r ( talk) 06:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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Mehr Hassan
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Fails WP:Notability Wikibear47 ( talk) 17:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Has been in multiple films that seem to have wikipedia articles of their own. As per: WP:ARTIST, criteria 3, that should probably be enough.
- also, seems like this is the 3rd nomination. User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: The newspapers used now in the article for sourcing are all there is for this person; I don't see notability beyond the local level. I can't find any mention of them otherwise. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The fact she has been seen on multiple movies which has a wikipedia page doesn't qualify her to have a wikipedia page. This is just like the case of Lucy Grantham (2nd nomination). The subject Mehr Hassan fails WP:GNG. Her first AFD which was keep was just a two vote of keep which was still saying because she appeared in a movie. No independent reliable source, No award won or being nominated as an actress or dancer. I really don't see anything notable. -- Meligirl5 ( talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable films. The Louisville Courier article too makes a case for notability. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Does having just one reliable source qualifies a person of having a Wikipedia page?
Hassan started her dancing career as a stage performer in the United States.
How do we believe such statement with no reliable source.?-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 00:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:NACTOR, which is clearly the applicable guideline. rspεεr ( talk) 14:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep. WP:NACTOR appears to hold here for now, although perhaps the articles for the films she starred should be reviewed for their notability. The bottom line is that long as those films are notable, she is, if barely. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 16:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Vecteezy
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I'm surprised that User:Jamiebuba approved this page because this company has a long and torrid history of COI and uploading promotional pages to Wikipedia and this page seems no different to what has gone before. Sure, we've got Entrepreneur Magazine which might have been published independently of the subject but there are a lot of sources that don't count as RS like press releases, local newspapers and the dreaded TechCrunch the least independent source in the history of business journalism. I think it's safe to say that this one-man band, run of the mill, stock image supplier fails WP:NCORP and is hardly notable so fails WP:GNG. I am interested to see what crawls out of the woodwork in the ensuing discussion, though. Dafydd y Corach ( talk) 08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: The Biz journal article is repeated in a Lexington newspaper and by Yahoo [8] so feels like a PR item. The rest of the sources given don't impress me. Oaktree b ( talk) 12:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep obviously needs a complete rewrite and shouldn't have been accepted in its current state, but these reviews [9] [10] seem like enough for a NCORP/NPRODUCT pass. – Tera tix ₵ 14:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep They are some reviews from some good news organizations on subject. Enough to satisfy WP:NCORP. Chekidalum ( talk) 11:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Seems to meet NCORP although this type of writing shouldn't get past AFC. X ( talk) 04:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a *company* therefore GNG/
WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or
significant sources with
each source containing
"Independent Content" showing
in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Two sources mentioned above refer to reviews on the product/website of the company. Just to point out the obvious - if the topic of this article was about the website/product, these could be examined with a view to establishing the notability of the website/product, but those references do not establish the notability of the *company*. I'd also add that those references would not, in my opinion, meet the criteria for establishing the notability of the product either - both Techmedia and photutorial earn commission from the "independently reviewed" website's affiliate links and appears Photutorial appears to be little more than a blog, not truly Independent, failing
WP:ORGIND.
HighKing
++ 13:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
if the topic of this article was about the website/product, these could be examined with a view to establishing the notability of the website/product, but those references do not establish the notability of the *company*.
Well, in that case we can write the article on Vecteezy the website instead. In fact, my understanding is that's how the article is written already.both Techmedia and photutorial earn commission from the "independently reviewed" website's affiliate links
this interpretation of independence is too demanding and is not supported by ORGIND. The actual reviews demonstrate more than enough deep and original analysis to qualify as significant independent opinion.Photutorial appears to be little more than a blog, not truly Independent
Well, these are two different allegations – being a blog would make it unreliable, not non-independent. They appear to have a strong editorial policy but looking through the rest of the site it does look like they're a bit of a one-man operation. On the borderline for me.- In any case there is also PetaPixel's review already cited in the article, which should settle it. – Tera tix ₵ 15:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Alamgir Hashmi
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This BLP reads like a CV. None of the listed works or awards strike me as noteworthy or notable, indicating a failure to meet WP:AUTHOR. Additionally, there appears to be a lack of significant coverage in WP:RS, which means the subject also fails basic WP:GNG. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 13:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Oxford Companion to Twentieth-Century Poetry in English (1 ed.) (available through Wikimedia Library, excerpted here):
Hashmi, Alamgir (1951– ), was born in Lahore, educated in Pakistan and the United States, and has worked as a professor of English, editor, and broadcaster. His early work ... is characterized by a terse, witty, imagistic style, and reveals a recurring preoccupation with language, time, and place. The poet's peripatetic career in America, Europe, and Pakistan is reflected in the concerns of his subsequent collections, .... As Hashmi has developed, there has been a broadening of human sympathies and an emerging political awareness which have modified the virtuosity and self-absorption of some of his earliest writing. His most recent publications are ....
- I would vote Keep by
WP:GNG if a similar source was found. FYI, I removed the author bio paragraph that was completely uncited and appears to have been included verbatim from the author's personal website. This may be a copyright concern.
Suriname0 (
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- I acknowledge that there is some coverage available. However, the concern lies in the insufficient extent of coverage to meet the WP:SIGCOV. The subject is listed on Oxford Reference, just because some of their work must have been hosted by Oxford University Press but I'm sure that won't make him WP:IHN. -— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 16:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Unusually for a poet, there is plenty of in-depth coverage of him and his work to be found [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] — David Eppstein ( talk) 17:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep While the article needs work, there are tons of citations out there proving this poet meets notability guidelines, including in-depth analysis of the poet's works in various literary journals accessible through the Wikipedia Library.-- SouthernNights ( talk) 21:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per the sources identified by David Eppstein. Suriname0 ( talk) 20:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Clark College, Murray State University
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Subject is not independently notable - notability is not inherited from its unquestionably notable parent organization ElKevbo ( talk) 11:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hester College, Murray State University
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Subject is not independently notable - notability is not inherited from its unquestionably notable parent organization. ElKevbo ( talk) 11:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Regents College, Murray State University
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Subject is not independently notable - notability is not inherited from its unquestionably notable parent organization ElKevbo ( talk) 11:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Richmond College, Murray State University
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Subject is not independently notable - notability is not inherited from its unquestionably notable parent organization. ElKevbo ( talk) 11:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Statue of Roberto Clemente (Louisville, Kentucky)
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Not a notable statue. And I don't know how relevant this is but the location is also not significant to the baseball player who is depicted. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, a prominent artwork in the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory museum's statue gallery, this statue is only one of two of Clemente on Wikipedia. I'm not understanding why it should be deleted, although it's a stub that could be expanded with text and a photograph the statue depicts one of America's most famous and honored baseball players and humanitarians. Randy Kryn ( talk) 11:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- delete unless some actual content can be scraped together in which case it might just merit a merge, either to the man or the museum. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect. This subject is reasonably notable per sources provided in the article and its talk page, but the question here really is whether there will ever be enough content to ever stretch this beyond a tiny stub. Coverage of this subject in Legacy of Roberto Clemente or Roberto Clemente should suffice. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 17:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect I found several local sources covering the unveiling of the statue at the museum, but they all basically say the same thing about a routine ceremony for a routine statue (this museum has seven of them in its gallery) about an extraordinary man. Without further
WP:LASTING coverage, I don't think we need an article so say that so-and-so attended this event when
Legacy of Roberto Clemente and
Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory can cover the museum's exhibits and collection and his various forms of recognition. There are many other local news pieces about the museum's other exhibits, awards, artifacts, and events; this being a statue doesn't mean it can't still be covered in the main articles. The fame of the subject and the number of statues there are of him is not relevant to whether this particular one needs a stand-alone article. (
Reywas92) (
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- @ Reywas92, if it has to be merged, would prefer a merge and redirect to Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. Clemente has many, many statues of him in hundreds of locations and I don't think - I'm sure you would agree - every statue of Clemente merits a mention in the main articles. There are a few mentioned in the article which are relevant to Clemente's legacy or if he has a personal to the place. The obvious one, of course, is Pittsburgh.
- There are hundreds of statues of Roberto Clemente? Where? There is this one in the museum of the Louisville Slugger bat manufacturer and there is one in Pittsburgh. Having articles about these two prominent statues are not overwhelming Wikipedia servers and should be kept. Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's a
WP:EVERYTHING argument "Wikipedia has space for it", not based on policy. I think Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory would be the better merge/redirect target, though Legacy of Roberto Clemente should also mention it. I don't think the statue is even that "prominent", it's just one of seven similar ones inside the museum, with no coverage beyond the museum's unveiling event. Not that any public art is automatically notable, but larger ones outdoors are at least sometimes included in various guides as visible local landmarks or don't always have obvious redirect targets like parts of a museum's exhibits.
Reywas92
Talk 21:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- To answer Randy's question: according to the Society of American Baseball Research, Clemente has more statues and memorials than anyone in sports other than Pele, the great football player. There are several in Puerto Rico and numerous on mainland United States. Here is the link if you're interested.
- But I would say the statue outside the PNC Park, the stadium of the only MLB team he played for, in the American city with which he is most associated with, is a far more prominent than one of seven statues in a museum located in a city where he - as far as I can tell - never set foot in. It is not uncommon for museums to have a statue series. The Baseball Hall of Fame have quite a few statues in its building as well, including one of Clemente (which itself is part of one statue, alongside Jackie Robinson and Lou Gehrig).
- And to clarify to @
Reywas92: the statue's mention can be added manually of course and I will do so. What I meant was that the article redirect itself should be to the Museum's page.
Omnis Scientia (
talk) 20:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the good research. Since there are only eight statues I don't understand why articles about them should be deleted (a merge is a delete's twin). There are multiple articles on Wikipedia about statues of the same individual, some of America's founders among them. People have put up eight statues of Roberto Clemente because he deserves much honor and respect. Maybe if there were hundreds of statues, an article on each one might be an overload. But since there are only eight, and other individuals have many more than that, the only reason I can see merging is if an article is written about the bat museum's notable statue gallery (and not just about the museum in general). Keeping this stand-alone page also maintains two major Wikipedia collections: Baseball, and statues (a major part of Wikipedia's visual art collection).
Randy Kryn (
talk) 03:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've given the statue collection its own section; these aren't a single exhibit or gallery. Expansion is welcome there but a separate article just for that is unnecessary. But this can cover the baseball and art "collections", without the need for individual standalone pages for individual items. I've also expanded Legacy of Roberto Clemente to describe this honor and respect. Reywas92 Talk 14:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the good research. Since there are only eight statues I don't understand why articles about them should be deleted (a merge is a delete's twin). There are multiple articles on Wikipedia about statues of the same individual, some of America's founders among them. People have put up eight statues of Roberto Clemente because he deserves much honor and respect. Maybe if there were hundreds of statues, an article on each one might be an overload. But since there are only eight, and other individuals have many more than that, the only reason I can see merging is if an article is written about the bat museum's notable statue gallery (and not just about the museum in general). Keeping this stand-alone page also maintains two major Wikipedia collections: Baseball, and statues (a major part of Wikipedia's visual art collection).
Randy Kryn (
talk) 03:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
WBNM-LD
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Fails WP:GNG; another diginet coatrack. Could merge with sister station WBNA. Mvcg66b3r ( talk) 06:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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Mehr Hassan
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Fails WP:Notability Wikibear47 ( talk) 17:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Has been in multiple films that seem to have wikipedia articles of their own. As per: WP:ARTIST, criteria 3, that should probably be enough.
- also, seems like this is the 3rd nomination. User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: The newspapers used now in the article for sourcing are all there is for this person; I don't see notability beyond the local level. I can't find any mention of them otherwise. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The fact she has been seen on multiple movies which has a wikipedia page doesn't qualify her to have a wikipedia page. This is just like the case of Lucy Grantham (2nd nomination). The subject Mehr Hassan fails WP:GNG. Her first AFD which was keep was just a two vote of keep which was still saying because she appeared in a movie. No independent reliable source, No award won or being nominated as an actress or dancer. I really don't see anything notable. -- Meligirl5 ( talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable films. The Louisville Courier article too makes a case for notability. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Does having just one reliable source qualifies a person of having a Wikipedia page?
Hassan started her dancing career as a stage performer in the United States.
How do we believe such statement with no reliable source.?-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 00:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:NACTOR, which is clearly the applicable guideline. rspεεr ( talk) 14:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep. WP:NACTOR appears to hold here for now, although perhaps the articles for the films she starred should be reviewed for their notability. The bottom line is that long as those films are notable, she is, if barely. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 16:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Vecteezy
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I'm surprised that User:Jamiebuba approved this page because this company has a long and torrid history of COI and uploading promotional pages to Wikipedia and this page seems no different to what has gone before. Sure, we've got Entrepreneur Magazine which might have been published independently of the subject but there are a lot of sources that don't count as RS like press releases, local newspapers and the dreaded TechCrunch the least independent source in the history of business journalism. I think it's safe to say that this one-man band, run of the mill, stock image supplier fails WP:NCORP and is hardly notable so fails WP:GNG. I am interested to see what crawls out of the woodwork in the ensuing discussion, though. Dafydd y Corach ( talk) 08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: The Biz journal article is repeated in a Lexington newspaper and by Yahoo [8] so feels like a PR item. The rest of the sources given don't impress me. Oaktree b ( talk) 12:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep obviously needs a complete rewrite and shouldn't have been accepted in its current state, but these reviews [9] [10] seem like enough for a NCORP/NPRODUCT pass. – Tera tix ₵ 14:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep They are some reviews from some good news organizations on subject. Enough to satisfy WP:NCORP. Chekidalum ( talk) 11:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Seems to meet NCORP although this type of writing shouldn't get past AFC. X ( talk) 04:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a *company* therefore GNG/
WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or
significant sources with
each source containing
"Independent Content" showing
in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Two sources mentioned above refer to reviews on the product/website of the company. Just to point out the obvious - if the topic of this article was about the website/product, these could be examined with a view to establishing the notability of the website/product, but those references do not establish the notability of the *company*. I'd also add that those references would not, in my opinion, meet the criteria for establishing the notability of the product either - both Techmedia and photutorial earn commission from the "independently reviewed" website's affiliate links and appears Photutorial appears to be little more than a blog, not truly Independent, failing
WP:ORGIND.
HighKing
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if the topic of this article was about the website/product, these could be examined with a view to establishing the notability of the website/product, but those references do not establish the notability of the *company*.
Well, in that case we can write the article on Vecteezy the website instead. In fact, my understanding is that's how the article is written already.both Techmedia and photutorial earn commission from the "independently reviewed" website's affiliate links
this interpretation of independence is too demanding and is not supported by ORGIND. The actual reviews demonstrate more than enough deep and original analysis to qualify as significant independent opinion.Photutorial appears to be little more than a blog, not truly Independent
Well, these are two different allegations – being a blog would make it unreliable, not non-independent. They appear to have a strong editorial policy but looking through the rest of the site it does look like they're a bit of a one-man operation. On the borderline for me.- In any case there is also PetaPixel's review already cited in the article, which should settle it. – Tera tix ₵ 15:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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