Clear reasons were provided to justify the changes that were made (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_the_British_canal_system&oldid=1193079938).
If you seek to undo changes made to an article, you must justify your action with material evidence that demonstrates the changes in question were factually incorrect.
-Basdeninard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basdeninard ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Desertarun, thanks for adding the vessels. Where are you getting the info? I would like to follow up. Cheers, Acad Ronin ( talk) 00:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- @
Acad Ronin:. Hi, the ebook I'm reading is Slave Captain - The Career of
James Irving (slave trader). I've re'd the ships I added. The book contains a lot of info on Ellen. Irving himself was a slave trader who became a slave himself, and upon release went straight back to slaving before dying on his very next voyage! The morality of this is hard to fathom. Regards,
Desertarun (
talk) 09:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Derertun, I will have to get the book. As for the morality: "The past is another country, they do things differently there." One of the difficulties I am facing in keeping some of my articles about slave ships from being deleted is that slavery was so normal, no one wrote about it or the ships, so it is hard today to establish Wikipedia "notability". Anyway, thanks for getting back to me. Cheers,
Acad Ronin (
talk) 10:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- @
Acad Ronin: I think every slave ship is notable. Is there a way of keeping track if/when slave ships come up for deletion? If so I'll watch that page. Regards,
Desertarun (
talk) 11:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Desertarun, unfortunately, under Wikipedia rules, I may not solicit/canvas for support when an article is up for deletion. My talk page is not a bad place to look to observe the process, though many of my articles up for deletion are whalers, and just straight, boring merchantmen. Wikipedia has some weird practices. A naval ship is automatically notable; that part of WP Ships has won for itself an automatic, presumed notability. A slave ship that went down without a trace, drowning 200 people aboard, is not notable because nobody wrote about the incident and so there is nothing in the press, or in books, then or now, about the vessel, beyond one line in Lloyd's List that she foundered with all aboard. On another note: in both the Irving and Dawson articles you have put up, there is a reference to "Schwartz" - what is that? Cheers,
Acad Ronin (
talk) 11:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- @ Acad Ronin: I agree with the sentiment. As for Schwarz it is the author of the book/source Slave Captain - The Career of James Irving (slave trader). Maybe I've not formatted it properly, I'm not sure. Regards, Desertarun ( talk) 11:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Desertarun, unfortunately, under Wikipedia rules, I may not solicit/canvas for support when an article is up for deletion. My talk page is not a bad place to look to observe the process, though many of my articles up for deletion are whalers, and just straight, boring merchantmen. Wikipedia has some weird practices. A naval ship is automatically notable; that part of WP Ships has won for itself an automatic, presumed notability. A slave ship that went down without a trace, drowning 200 people aboard, is not notable because nobody wrote about the incident and so there is nothing in the press, or in books, then or now, about the vessel, beyond one line in Lloyd's List that she foundered with all aboard. On another note: in both the Irving and Dawson articles you have put up, there is a reference to "Schwartz" - what is that? Cheers,
Acad Ronin (
talk) 11:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- @
Acad Ronin: I think every slave ship is notable. Is there a way of keeping track if/when slave ships come up for deletion? If so I'll watch that page. Regards,
Desertarun (
talk) 11:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Derertun, I will have to get the book. As for the morality: "The past is another country, they do things differently there." One of the difficulties I am facing in keeping some of my articles about slave ships from being deleted is that slavery was so normal, no one wrote about it or the ships, so it is hard today to establish Wikipedia "notability". Anyway, thanks for getting back to me. Cheers,
Acad Ronin (
talk) 10:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
I have added research now in the 2023 Cricket World Cup. Pharaoh496 ( talk) 03:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Desertarun. I see you put a lot of great effort into the article on the Nottingham Arboretum. Someone who specializes in articles about Listed buildings in northern England added the listed ones on the arboretum with the suggestion they be presented in prose. Out of respect for your effort on the page I wanted to ask for your thoughts on presenting the structures in a table like that on the Listed Buildings of Nottingham page (forget the exact title but the link's on the arboretum page.) The information on the bell tower is really nice. Without being promotional, it communicates the pride Nottingham takes in its community. Oona Wikiwalker ( talk) 05:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, a table would be an improvement, so yes go ahead, happy editing :) Desertarun ( talk) 09:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
I don't know if the entire "disappearance" article is going on the new article, but it could possibly be able to include the July 2 take off and messages; I have the book "Finding Amelia" by Ric Gillespie and ignoring whether TIGHAR's theory bears credibility, he offers a good through detail of the search and possible radio signals that may or may not have been coming from the plane. I have also included views of Earhart family members as to how they feel about some of the theories.
By the way, I think the main Earhart article could use some concision to simplify the length or descriptions of events. The description of the main image is superfluous, saying "Earhart beneath the nose of her Lockheed Model 10-E Electra, March 1937 in Oakland, California, before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance"; the words "before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance" could be omitted as it would be very clear when the photo was taken and doesn't necessary relate to the vanishing as that was months away. The words "It is generally presumed that she and Noonan died somewhere in the Pacific during the circumnavigation, just three weeks prior to her fortieth birthday" are an odd placement to me, as in the event any of the theories (crash and sink or Gardner island castaway) are ever confirmed, it could be misleading, particularly if for the sake of argument, it is the Gardner Island castaway theory that is confirmed, it would have been possible she would have lived to have seen her 40th birthday, if she had survived on Gardner for some time before perishing. Speaking of which, there is a possible article that could be used for the recent sonar discovery in which David Jourdan (himself a crash and sink theorist) cautions, "It is impossible to identify anything from a sonar image alone as sound can be tricky and the artifact could be damaged in unpredictable ways altering its shape. For that reason, you can never say that something is (or isn’t) from a sonar image alone, [1] 80.43.251.32 ( talk) 20:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC) 80.43.251.32 ( talk) 20:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- It would be interesting if her plane was actually found, I suppose we'll find out some time later this year for sure. If this is the case much of the article regarding her disappearance will become old news. I won't be doing anything else with the new spinoff article, feel free to add whatever you feel is helpful, happy editing :) Desertarun ( talk) 20:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Clear reasons were provided to justify the changes that were made (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_the_British_canal_system&oldid=1193079938).
If you seek to undo changes made to an article, you must justify your action with material evidence that demonstrates the changes in question were factually incorrect.
-Basdeninard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basdeninard ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Desertarun, thanks for adding the vessels. Where are you getting the info? I would like to follow up. Cheers, Acad Ronin ( talk) 00:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- @
Acad Ronin:. Hi, the ebook I'm reading is Slave Captain - The Career of
James Irving (slave trader). I've re'd the ships I added. The book contains a lot of info on Ellen. Irving himself was a slave trader who became a slave himself, and upon release went straight back to slaving before dying on his very next voyage! The morality of this is hard to fathom. Regards,
Desertarun (
talk) 09:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Derertun, I will have to get the book. As for the morality: "The past is another country, they do things differently there." One of the difficulties I am facing in keeping some of my articles about slave ships from being deleted is that slavery was so normal, no one wrote about it or the ships, so it is hard today to establish Wikipedia "notability". Anyway, thanks for getting back to me. Cheers,
Acad Ronin (
talk) 10:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- @
Acad Ronin: I think every slave ship is notable. Is there a way of keeping track if/when slave ships come up for deletion? If so I'll watch that page. Regards,
Desertarun (
talk) 11:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Desertarun, unfortunately, under Wikipedia rules, I may not solicit/canvas for support when an article is up for deletion. My talk page is not a bad place to look to observe the process, though many of my articles up for deletion are whalers, and just straight, boring merchantmen. Wikipedia has some weird practices. A naval ship is automatically notable; that part of WP Ships has won for itself an automatic, presumed notability. A slave ship that went down without a trace, drowning 200 people aboard, is not notable because nobody wrote about the incident and so there is nothing in the press, or in books, then or now, about the vessel, beyond one line in Lloyd's List that she foundered with all aboard. On another note: in both the Irving and Dawson articles you have put up, there is a reference to "Schwartz" - what is that? Cheers,
Acad Ronin (
talk) 11:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- @ Acad Ronin: I agree with the sentiment. As for Schwarz it is the author of the book/source Slave Captain - The Career of James Irving (slave trader). Maybe I've not formatted it properly, I'm not sure. Regards, Desertarun ( talk) 11:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Desertarun, unfortunately, under Wikipedia rules, I may not solicit/canvas for support when an article is up for deletion. My talk page is not a bad place to look to observe the process, though many of my articles up for deletion are whalers, and just straight, boring merchantmen. Wikipedia has some weird practices. A naval ship is automatically notable; that part of WP Ships has won for itself an automatic, presumed notability. A slave ship that went down without a trace, drowning 200 people aboard, is not notable because nobody wrote about the incident and so there is nothing in the press, or in books, then or now, about the vessel, beyond one line in Lloyd's List that she foundered with all aboard. On another note: in both the Irving and Dawson articles you have put up, there is a reference to "Schwartz" - what is that? Cheers,
Acad Ronin (
talk) 11:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- @
Acad Ronin: I think every slave ship is notable. Is there a way of keeping track if/when slave ships come up for deletion? If so I'll watch that page. Regards,
Desertarun (
talk) 11:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Derertun, I will have to get the book. As for the morality: "The past is another country, they do things differently there." One of the difficulties I am facing in keeping some of my articles about slave ships from being deleted is that slavery was so normal, no one wrote about it or the ships, so it is hard today to establish Wikipedia "notability". Anyway, thanks for getting back to me. Cheers,
Acad Ronin (
talk) 10:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
I have added research now in the 2023 Cricket World Cup. Pharaoh496 ( talk) 03:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Desertarun. I see you put a lot of great effort into the article on the Nottingham Arboretum. Someone who specializes in articles about Listed buildings in northern England added the listed ones on the arboretum with the suggestion they be presented in prose. Out of respect for your effort on the page I wanted to ask for your thoughts on presenting the structures in a table like that on the Listed Buildings of Nottingham page (forget the exact title but the link's on the arboretum page.) The information on the bell tower is really nice. Without being promotional, it communicates the pride Nottingham takes in its community. Oona Wikiwalker ( talk) 05:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, a table would be an improvement, so yes go ahead, happy editing :) Desertarun ( talk) 09:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
I don't know if the entire "disappearance" article is going on the new article, but it could possibly be able to include the July 2 take off and messages; I have the book "Finding Amelia" by Ric Gillespie and ignoring whether TIGHAR's theory bears credibility, he offers a good through detail of the search and possible radio signals that may or may not have been coming from the plane. I have also included views of Earhart family members as to how they feel about some of the theories.
By the way, I think the main Earhart article could use some concision to simplify the length or descriptions of events. The description of the main image is superfluous, saying "Earhart beneath the nose of her Lockheed Model 10-E Electra, March 1937 in Oakland, California, before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance"; the words "before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance" could be omitted as it would be very clear when the photo was taken and doesn't necessary relate to the vanishing as that was months away. The words "It is generally presumed that she and Noonan died somewhere in the Pacific during the circumnavigation, just three weeks prior to her fortieth birthday" are an odd placement to me, as in the event any of the theories (crash and sink or Gardner island castaway) are ever confirmed, it could be misleading, particularly if for the sake of argument, it is the Gardner Island castaway theory that is confirmed, it would have been possible she would have lived to have seen her 40th birthday, if she had survived on Gardner for some time before perishing. Speaking of which, there is a possible article that could be used for the recent sonar discovery in which David Jourdan (himself a crash and sink theorist) cautions, "It is impossible to identify anything from a sonar image alone as sound can be tricky and the artifact could be damaged in unpredictable ways altering its shape. For that reason, you can never say that something is (or isn’t) from a sonar image alone, [1] 80.43.251.32 ( talk) 20:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC) 80.43.251.32 ( talk) 20:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- It would be interesting if her plane was actually found, I suppose we'll find out some time later this year for sure. If this is the case much of the article regarding her disappearance will become old news. I won't be doing anything else with the new spinoff article, feel free to add whatever you feel is helpful, happy editing :) Desertarun ( talk) 20:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)