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Michael Lord (music)

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The article has a promotional feel. I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject (or, frankly, any coverage). There is a reference in the article, but it's just album liner notes. toweli ( talk) 13:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of sports television composers

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Not that all but one is entirely unsourced but WP:LISTCRUFT sums it all up. Virtually all of those bluelinked are not specific to sports broadcastings; for example, a bulk of John Williams' fame was from movie composing. Are we going to every film and TV composers who worked on the Olympics too. Are we going to list Emerson, Lake & Palmer ( Fanfare for the Common Man) and Fleetwood Mac ( The Chain) too? I cannot see this passing WP:NLIST too. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Lil' Cory

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Non-notable rapper / actor. All the sourcing is from unreliable sources, or simply not usable for establishing notability. This has been insistently placed in mainspace after previously being draftified so taking this to AFD. Whpq ( talk) 03:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • DELETE as was stated in my decline notices none of the sources provide any sort of significant coverage or any indication of notability either in WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. Notability is not inherited through others. McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 03:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Collider.com Wolfvillage ( talk) 03:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    They were merely mentioned as a cast member absolutely no detail was given in that source, therefore it does nothing towards notability. It only confirms they made an appearance at some point on the show which does not indicate any sort of notability. McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 03:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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AllMusic "Echota Yoda" (Featuring Lil Wayne

TVGuide
Lil Cory Featuring Blueface
I found these sources which speak on the subjects major collaborative projects with notable persons such as Lil Wayne, Gucci Mane, 2 Chainz and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfvillage ( talk • contribs) 04:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Akade

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No clear notability. Creation tends to indicate an undeclared conflict of interest. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Fayse Goh

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the article appears to be very promotional. I also searched up the name, and it appears to plagarize his youtube channel's description. Gaismagorm ( talk) 20:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Rory Phillips (DJ)

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Reason Sarcastathon ( talk) 08:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

it doesn’t meet the criteria for notability. 1. Out of 4 references, 2 are links to artist’s own pages. 2 are PR pieces. 2. They have never had any single or album chart in their home country or abroad. 3. Nor have they had a record certified as gold. 4. They’ve never ‘had important coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country’ 5. Not released any albums. 6. Hasn’t been a member of 2 or more notable groups. 7. Hasn’t become one of the most important representatives of a notable style or the most important of the local scene of a city 8 & 9. Hasn’t won any awards 10. Not made music for any notable other media 11. Hasn’t been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network 12. Nor have they been subject of any documentaries etc Sarcastathon ( talk) 08:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Daniel Rosenfeldt

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Hi; this is my first time both using Twinkle and participating in the AfD process, so try not to flame me too hard if I make a mistake here. This article has somewhat poor sourcing and I've done a check for his name to try and find anything on him but I've come up short. If anyone can find better sources for this, that would be great, but I'm unable to on my end. Neo Purgatorio ( talk) 00:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hiljson Mandela

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The subject is not notable. The award "Cesarica" is not at all notable to value the importance of the subject. Upon WP:BEFORE, I could find 3 articles about him, which doesn't show notability. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 08:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • It's easy enough to find widespread Croatian mainstream media coverage of this person - HRT had them on one of their music shows in 2021 [2], RTL interviewed him in 2022 [3] and later hired him for their 'Masked Singer' show in 2023 [4], and Nova TV covered his interview in 2023 [5]. There's a nationwide renown and it's a topic that might conceivably interest a few average English readers. Ultimately, if we kept Barbara Radulović back in the day, we might as well keep this. -- Joy ( talk) 07:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Absolutely strongly disagree. I second everything Joy mentioned! He is one of the most successful young Croatian musicians/rappers. With 2 Porin nominations [6] [7], coverage by the 3 biggest Croatian TV channels (including interviews and participating as one of the celebrity contestants in Masked Singer) + millions of YouTube views and a lot more (I get that you couldn't find it tho, but there's def a lot of sources), I would say he is undoubtedly notable. I'm willing to expand the article soon. CroatiaElects ( talk) 18:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

James A. O'Flaherty

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Biography of subject that doesn't meet WP:NBIO or WP:MUSICBIO or other criteria. (Article was created, seemingly, by a family member. And relies entirely on sources written by family members. Was speedy deleted in 2007. Was restored, after request from creator, shortly afterwards - on the basis that notability might be established by "news reports" and having a music retreat "named for him". However, the only news report mentioned (which doesn't appear to be verifiable) seems to be about the music retreat. Rather than the subject. And while it is a credit to the man/family/community that the event was so-named, it doesn't establish notability. Even if the event was notable (and I would question whether it is), notability isn't transferrable.) My own WP:BEFORE has returned nothing to indicate that NBIO or SIGCOV are met. WP:COI and WP:NOTMEMORIAL are also relevant. Guliolopez ( talk) 13:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Chris King (rapper)

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Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG, most sources are just links to his music on streaming sites. BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions) 18:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

But it still shows that everything is based on facts? So what is the problem Elektrinhooo ( talk) 18:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
He hadn't accomplished anything we'd consider for musical notability here; he got barely any press mentions when he was alive. A tragic death, yes, but that isn't enough for notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oh but I do think his appearances on the Trippie Redd songs are notable. Really good performances and I have never seen anyone say they weren't good. The Trippie Redd tapes he was on did chart on the billboard 200, so I'd say that this is partially because of him. Elektrinhooo ( talk) 10:30, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, California, and Tennessee. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: No notability when alive it seems, I don't see charted singles, album reviews or much of anything. Even the many articles on his death are about him being a friend of Justin Bieber. Friend of a famous person doesn't quite get us notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - No indication of notability before his death. Magnolia677 ( talk) 21:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - We've seen this a lot, as a previously non-notable musician (typically a murdered rapper) suddenly gets media coverage for his death, and media outlets use the occasion to talk about his music for the first time ever while quoting more famous people that he knew. This rapper achieved nothing musically that qualifies for notability at WP:NMUSICIAN. All media coverage is about his recent death, but that does not qualify for notability under WP:NVICTIM either. May he R.I.P. but he doesn't qualify for an article here. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Sources are too thin and it seems notability has not been established. InDimensional ( talk) 11:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: It's odd that nobody has brought up moving the page to Death of Chris King but even then it would probably not follow WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING. Duke of New Gwynedd ( talk | contrib.) 19:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Carterson

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Sources are either PRs/promo puffs/Advertorials, WP:RUNOFTHEMILL both primary and independent of the subject. Non-notable musician. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 16:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Alekh Kumar Parida

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. The sources are paid press - no reliable or significant sources. Additionally, this subject does not indicate any significance to have an article on Wikipedia. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 19:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

John Ratcliff (producer)

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Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NBIO, and I do not believe being a producer for a notable band is an automatic WP:NMUSIC pass either. I could not locate sources with substantial coverage of Ratcliff. All sources cover him only peripherally, as a producer for a-Ha. The article is now primarily an autobiography. Would accept a redirect to a-Ha as an alternative to deletion. Jfire ( talk) 03:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Music, and United Kingdom. Jfire ( talk) 03:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I not only re- produced the final masters of 8 of the tracks on a-ha’s 15 million selling first album Hunting High and Low but I also discovered them in 1983 and kept them, gave them £thousands and helped secure a record deal with Warners. I managed them under contract from 1983 to 1993 and without my financial and creative input they would have returned to Norway and never been heard of again! How dare you propose to delete this article. I have nearly completed my autobiography which inevitably contains the entire story of how I rescued them when they had no money left and put them in my recording studio for 2 years without any return for another 12 months. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • agree that REDIRECT to a-Ha is appropriate. Most sources are primary references. The only third party references are more about a-Ha with this subject being mentioned tangentially. Otherwise, this article seems more promotional than anything else. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 18:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    How dare you presume! You know nothing. In 1983 a-ha came into my studio but ran out of money after 2 weeks. For the next 2 years I covered every housing cost., food cost and leisure costs out of my own pocket because I believed in their talent.I also let them have free studio time for 2 years during which we recorded and produced nearly all of the tracks on their first album. I became their manager in 1983 and their contract lasted with me until 1993!Their best 10 years to date. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I.will take legal action if you have the cheek to remove this article. My autobiography is almost finished detailing my entire 10 years managing the band and the consequences for both a-ha and myself. 200 million record sales for a start! If you want a copy of my management contract with a-ha just ask. I lost my house and marriage while supporting the band before their success. Buy my autobiography next year and you can read every detail. Nobody, nobody knows the ‘a-ha’ history better than I do. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Get your facts right. I discovered the band when they came into my studio and spent 2 weeks recording. I liked what I heard and when they ran out of time and money I supported them for 2 years before Take on Me became a bestseller.I was contractually their Manager from 1983 to 1993. I re-produced 8 out of 10 tracks on their first and most popular album Hunting high and Low. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: There are two decent sources on the article, both telling the story of the recording of "Take On Me": " Talking Away: A-Ha On The Making Of Take On Me" on The Quietus, and " Classic Tracks: A-ha 'Take On Me'" on Sound on Sound. There may be some claim to notability. However, the article subject badgering us and making legal threats on this deletion discussion makes it difficult for me to vote keep. Toughpigs ( talk) 02:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    If you are not going to allow this article to remain then you are ignoring the truth of the matter. I thought the truth was a basic necessity of a site that should only provide fact.I am only writing as a matter of principle. My lawyers will only reveal their legal expertise. Buy the album…my name is all over the sleeve. More times than the band members themselves 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To toughpig. I don’t give a damn - oh sorry..is that blasphemy? In this day and age? I am in no way making threats! I am merely standing up for myself and the truth.Who is your superior? Put him/her on to it before I wake up my lawyer and we can sort this out legally and properly. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I now understand the reason for your username. Well I am tough too but my lawyer is tougher, and very expensive as you will discover should this minuscule matter not be resolved satisfactorily. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To tough pig. It says you have ‘2 decent sources’. What better ‘source’ could you have but myself. I discovered, produced and managed ‘a-ha’ for 10 years from 1983 to 1993. I think my knowledge of this entire matter is inevitably going to be seen as the most accurate. Your organisation obviously listens hardest to those names you recognise. You don’t realise that it’s the people behind the names who have a far greater knowledge and understanding for detail than you ever will. Change your username….or is it your real name? I do apologise. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 03:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    It will be very easy for me to find out who you really are. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 03:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    217.137.18.193, stop your threats. WP:NLT and WP:OUTING are policies here. You can vent, and you can argue for this article to be kept, but you can't harass people. Jfire ( talk) 04:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Read my opening statements from the top again. Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I am not harassing anyone. I am merely pointing out that I am not ‘just’ their producer. I discovered them in 1983, kept, housed, fed and gave them my studio for 2 years,signed them to an extremely lucrative management contract for 5 years and then to a major deal with Warners. That is an awful lot more than ‘producing’ a track don’t you think? Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I was their manager from 1983 to 1993.I still get royalties!
    Why am I having to justify facts that are common knowledge in my industry? Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I saw your opening statement and I believe you when you say you've done all those things for the band and were important to their success. But saying things like "I will take legal action if you have the cheek to remove this article", "My lawyers will only reveal their legal expertise", "before I wake up my lawyer and we can sort this out legally", and "It will be very easy for me to find out who you really are" is not okay here. You need to avoid making statements that can be construed as legal threats or threats to reveal someone's identity.
    "Why am I having to justify facts that are common knowledge in my industry?" is a valid question. The answer is that one of the pillars of Wikipedia is that information here is verifiable: readers must be able to check that any information is not just made up. That means we can't rely on what's "common knowledge" in any industry unless it's been published in reliable sources somewhere. When your autobiography is published, we may be able to use it as a source in a-ha (depending on whether it is self-published or not). But we can't just rely on your own personal statements here, even if we believe them. Jfire ( talk) 04:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I apologise if you feel I was harassing you. ‘a-ha’ is a very sensitive subject for me. I gave up my home and lost my wife and young child on account of my involvement with a-ha. So it is a passionate and sensitive subject.
    I reiterate, I am very sorry to have upset you.
    John Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to a-ha (with merging in of any useful information) pending publication of the autobiography referred to by the 217 IP (who appears to be the same person as Johnratcliff?). If it gets reviews in reliable sources, the article can then be reinstated based on those in addition to the few good sources currently present. Notability is borderline at present, since it can't be inherited from the band (and since our criterion for an independent page is notability, not admiration). The article is an under-referenced BLP and the last paragraph is stylistically inappropriate: "PS ... John". But it may be rewritable from sources a year from now. Yngvadottir ( talk) 08:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per above, does not seem independently notable. Slatersteven ( talk) 09:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per Yngvadottir. I removed a lot of recent COI additions that were entirely unsourced. Those should not be in a BLP. What remains are 4 sources that I will throw into a source analysis table:
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Sirfurboy
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.johnratcliff.com/john--a-ha No "In his own words". His own website. WP:SPS ? Reliable but self promotional Yes ✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20220521024623/https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/ha-take-me Yes Yes I believe it is. Didn't actually check. No He is mentioned in the source several times but there is no significant information about him ✘ No
https://thequietus.com/articles/18805-aha-hunting-high-and-low-take-on-me-review-anniversary Yes Yes No He is mentioned in the source several times but there is no significant information about him ✘ No
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01727601 Yes Yes No A primary source that says nothing about Ratcliffe in any case ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.

However the redirect is reasonable as this is clearly someone who gets a mention regarding a-ha and is borderline notable. Although the above assessment covers what is in the page, there could be more secondary sources on him. However the name is quite common and searching is complicated by finding other notable Jonh Ratcliffes. I was not able to find any suitable coverage, but if multiple independent reliable secondary sources with sigificant coverage can be found, then, of course, this would be a notable subject for a page. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 10:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Redirect to a-ha: Not enough notability outside of a-ha to warrant an individual page. InDimensional ( talk) 11:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to a-ha. I haven't been able to find sources to support WP:GNG beyond those mentioned here, and none of those support a stand-alone article. Schazjmd  (talk) 16:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Trés Hanley

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Strong WP:COI vibes; the article creator has (mostly) only edited this article over a period of 14 years, also uploaded the two pictures as "own work" that are in the article. Sources are the subject's personal website and two sources that don't meet WP:RS. Lots of unsourced cruft. A search for more RS reveals lots of user-generated content, which fits the pattern. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 18:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Extended content
  • The production was 1993 at London's Canazzaro Park. Miss Hanley did TV interviews in which it was stated several times that she was the first american to play the role. The Director was Peter Benedict. Many of the parks productions are not listed in IBDB even to this day. Yet they are listed with the West End summer limited run productions. PleeUK ( talk) 13:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    There are several parks productions - Holland Park, Regents and Cannazaro London summer theatre associated with the West End in the 90s. Which roles were bit parts? Care to be specific? If you watch any of the shows that she has been in they are all featured roles or principle roles. Is this a legit or personal attempt on her work? PleeUK ( talk) 14:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Two questions: (1) do you have reliable secondary sources to back up these statements? (2) Do you have a WP:COI with Hanley? I ask because most of your edits are to this article, and you seem to have a knowledge of her career that sources do not. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 16:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes, all her works are also verifiable on IMDB. There are various article that were online that may be dead links now. I have met her in the past twice. But cannot say I am a friend. I do find Wiki confusing and so If I did not do something correct I apologize. PleeUK ( talk) 16:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
You say you "cannot say I am a friend" - but in this edit, you say "You are looking to delete my friends page." Let's continue this tangent on your talk page. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 16:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I have said, I do not know her personally but I consider her a friend. I have followed her on social media and she is my friend there. You people here are very technical. Not all as familiar with the technical workings here.
You also make many false statements here saying her roles were bit parts when her name is on poster for movie mouth to mouth. And she has been lead or featured. Maybe you are experts on how to use wikipedia and I am not. I did apologize for it, but you do not have your facts on the actress correct. I was making an intervention on keep her page that's all. You do what you need to do. Thank you. PleeUK ( talk) 17:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Provide citations to the articles in your scrapbook, as described below and on your own Talk page. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
User:PleeUK, Wikipedia does not accept IMDB as a WP:reliable source, because it is user-generated, so you need to cite reviews or articles from reputable publishers, like newspapers, about each production, show and film in which she appeared. You can't just say "she got press coverage" for something, you need to cite the exact article, author name, page number or URL, etc. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I have a scrap book with information but i cannot track it to the periodicals online today. This is from over 20 yrs ago not now all online. PleeUK ( talk) 17:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
They don't have to be online. Here is how you can succeed: We need the name of the publication, the title and date of the article or book, the name of the author and the page number on which the information appeared. Post those things on the article's Talk page, and also type out the exact text from the article that verifies a statement made in Henley's article, so that I and other editors can see it, and if it does verify WP:NOTEWORTHY facts about her from a WP:RS, then I can add an appropriate cite to her Wikipedia entry. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
You say IMDB is user generated but not all most of it is supplied from the tv or film compamies. You can watch the shows and see these actors in the roles. So how is this not legit? PleeUK ( talk) 17:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
On your talk page, Fred Zepelin has posted the answer to your question. But be assured that it is not an acceptable source, and you will not succeed by arguing about that. Instead, follow the procedure that I outlined for you above. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ebrahim Etemadi

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Ebrahim Etemadi likely doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Additionally, the mentioned sources might not be reliable enough. Waqar 💬 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Schwein

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Relisting as previous nomination did not attract any comment and soft deletion was not applicable. Non-notable band that only lasted one year; no sources found in English or German. Sources in Japanese linked on the page do not show WP:SIGCOV. Broc ( talk) 14:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I believe the article should stay up. Per Wikipedia:Notability (music), point 6, the group consists of several independently notable musicians. Weiqwbo ( talk) 14:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Steve Ewing

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Promotional article fails WP:BIO. No content worth merging. Schierbecker ( talk) 07:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

David McGarry

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An unsourced article, and there is nothing that I could find online that would allow David McGarry to meet notability requirements for musicians. Cleo Cooper ( talk) 01:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Dou Kalender

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I stumbled across this article. It wasn't very big, but I made it even smaller as it is unsourced. Originally, the only source was the band's website, but that no longer exists (I've removed it). It's an orphan. The image is on no other language project, including the Turkish one. Although it was created over 10 years ago, only one person has it on their watchlist. That said, I know nothing about band singers, especially foreign ones and have not done WP:BEFORE. If editors think it should be kept, this AfD will hopefully serve to improve the facial notability of the subject and the quality of the article itself. Fails WP:SINGER. Bbb23 ( talk) 16:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete I won't spend as much time rewriting my comment, because the WP:XFDVOTE tool did not save my comment. Simply put, I couldn't find reliable independent sources on him. There is possible COI as the creator's sole contribution was this biography for more than a decade. The band could be luckier in terms of notability, but it interestingly lacks an article, and after a quick search, I am unsure if there is sufficient coverage out there. I would, however, support redirecting this to an article about the band if it ever gets created during this discussion. Aintabli ( talk) 21:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Renzo Vitale

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Highly promotional piece written by a UPE. PROD declined. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Los Zodiac

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This was hard to assess, especially as there are varying spellings used. I couldn't find enough to show it meets WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Survived 2005 AfD ([ [9]], but standards very different then. Boleyn ( talk) 10:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • From this it seems like there is some level of coverage in 2018's Demoler. El rock en el Perú 1965-1975 by Carlos Torres Rotondo
  • There may be some leads from this: "Very little has been written about the History of Rock in our environment. Only sketches (as some newspapers usually publish) and some studies such as the one done by Jose Miguel Gonzalo Garcia, entitled Development of Youth Music in Peru, give us a brief idea of this whole matter. But the closest thing to a treatise on the so-called underground current or alternative music comes from the university works of which I mention (but always from a giraffe perspective, based more on journalistic data or conversations with subways, than on personal experiences), the job that my friend Miguel Lescano did at the beginning of the 90s, or the Underground Rock -10 Years of Wild Operas by Alvaro Olano Dextre. All of them are the first formal attempts to capture a history of underground rock. Someone will try to object to me by saying, what about Pedro Cornejo's book? I'm sorry to contradict you little brother, but the Game without Borders - Approaches to Contemporary Music that Pedro published in 1994 is not considered, not even by Pedro Cornejo himself, a total work, at least it is not what many (like me) expected from Pedro Cornejo Guinassi, graduate in Philosophy, professor at La Católica, participant in the first years of underground rock, editor and collaborator of alternative publications and other publications."
  • es-wiki does not have an article for them, and nor are they actually covered at es:Rock_del_Perú or es:Historia_del_rock_en_el_Perú
  • They are not the Los Zodiacs from Getxo in Spain who had a song in a Pepsi ad (see this from El Correo)
I can't see what's in Torres, etc, but there's otherwise a dearth of reliable sourcing for the band other than being one of a number of early 60s Peruvian rock bands. Unless adequate info is discovered in Torres or other RS, redirect with retention of history and categories seems the sensible option. ~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~ 12:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Haini Wolfgramm

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Member of a notable band, but per WP:MUSICBIO, not sufficiently notable independent of the band for a separate article. In a WP:BEFORE search, I can only find passing mentions of him in articles about the band. The Grammy nomination was for the band. He and his large family were interviewed on a national TV programme in 1994, and that interview was covered by some other media, but that would appear to be WP:BLP1E, and doesn't quite get him over the line for WP:MUSICBIO. A redirect to the band article could be an alternative to deletion, but I'm bringing it here first for discussion. Wikishovel ( talk) 05:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I also recommend doing the same for Eugene Wolfgramm and Elizabeth Wolfgramm, for the exact same reasons. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 12:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Kami Paul

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Fails to meet relevant WP:MUSICBIO as well general WP:GNG. I would suggest first delete and then redirect to Noori. This BLP was created by a user who might have a COI.— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 20:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect to Noori: not enough individual notability to warrant an individual article. InDimensional ( talk) 11:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Shreyas Puranik

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Fails WP:GNG, appears not notable. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 16:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. As the creator of the article i would like to suggest keep, as it passes WP:MUSIC. The musical artist have received full fledged coverage from independent media sources for his work such as [10], [11], [12]. [13]. Further the artist also passes one of the criteria of winning or being nominated for a notable award, as he won the notable Filmfare R. D. Burman Award in the category of upcoming music talent. [14] [15]

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The above references are either paid placement or Press Releases. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 15:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Pass WP:MUSIC, Also, there are significant reliable sources availabe which talks about the subject. Grabup ( talk) 04:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Ian Ferrier

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WP:BLP of a writer and musician, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for writers or musicians. This was previously deleted in 2019 per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Ferrier and then got recreated in fall 2023 after his death, but this version is still referenced almost entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all -- even the one footnote that's technically citing a newspaper is still just his paid-inclusion death notice in the classifieds, not a journalist-written news story about his death, and virtually everything else is content self-published by companies or organizations he was directly affiliated with, while the one potentially acceptable source (LitLive) is not enough to clinch passage of GNG all by itself.
And for notability claims, there are statements (a minor literary award, presidency of an organization) that might count for something if they were sourced properly, but there's still absolutely nothing that would be "inherently" notable enough to hand him an automatic notability freebie in the absence of proper WP:GNG-worthy sourcing.
And the French interlang is based entirely on the same poor sourcing as this one, so it has no GNG-worthy footnotes that can be copied over to salvage this either. Bearcat ( talk) 16:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: Article has plenty of references so it seems like coverage is enough to pass notability guidelines. InDimensional ( talk) 11:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Summer Obsession

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Article about a band, not properly referenced as having a strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The attempted notability claims here are (a) being booked to play a major festival tour but then not doing it because their stage was cancelled, which is not a free pass over the touring criterion as they obviously can't have gotten coverage for a tour that didn't happen; (b) releasing one album on a major label, where NMUSIC requires two albums before the mere existence of albums becomes a notability clinch in and of itself; and (c) placing songs in video games and compilation albums, which is the one criterion in NMUSIC that explicitly undermines itself with a "not enough if it's the only criterion they pass" stopper clause.
But this is referenced solely to an AllMusic profile, which is a valid starter source but not enough all by itself, and since all of this happened 15-20 years ago a Google search is only landing me directory entries and primary sources rather than WP:GNG-worthy reliable source coverage.
So I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much better access than I've got to archived US music media coverage from the naughts can find enough proper sourcing to salvage it, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt them from having to have a lot more than just one GNG-worthy footnote. Bearcat ( talk) 15:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. This is a tough one on account of the difficult-to-Google name and the age, but the Allmusic entry accurately reflects that this band did tour nationally in the late 2000s and have a reasonable level of visibility in the scene at the time. Redirecting to Leavell's discography doesn't seem to be very helpful to users. Unfortunately, a lot of the independent press of that time is no longer online (I'm fairly certain they got written up in Alternative Press, but their online archive doesn't go back that far, and I definitely recall that they were reviewed at Absolute Punk, which is no longer operating), but there is still a little out there - besides AMG, there's [16], [17], [18], and [19] (note that Exclaim! is international coverage). That's enough to squeak by for me, especially on the reasonable presumption that there are offline sources to supplement. Since they toured and released their album in Japan, we might also want to look for Japanese-language sources; this might be a Melee-type "big in Japan" situation. Chubbles ( talk) 00:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Eternal Decision

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There are no references in the article and I can't find any reliable sources online covering the band. XabqEfdg ( talk) 01:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I see plenty of non-RS, looks like they last put anything out in 2005, and their albums are still available via eBay. Not my area of expertise, but I suspect this might be saveable if someone can find reviews. Jclemens ( talk) 06:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep as they do have a staff written AllMusic bio here which states that their first album was released in 16 countries to considerable acclaim. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I dug for sources and did not find any reliable ones. I unfortunately think an Allmusic bio is not enough when not coupled with reviews. According to this page, there exists one review in HM Magazine (formerly Heaven's Metal Magazine), but that's a bit thin as well. Scene-wise, the lack of coverage is not unexpected either, seeing as thrash metal was long out of favour when this band started releasing. Geschichte ( talk) 19:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per Gechichte. I also cannot find anything sufficint to demonstrate notability. Fails WP:NBAND

James Dring

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PROD requested, but denied for being Grammy nominated. However, WP:ANYBIO requires winning once, or being nominated multiple times. Is twice good enough? I read multiple as something greater than two. So, fails ANYBIO. Even more, none of the references pass WP:SIRS, so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NBIO. Sources are database entries and press releases. No significant coverage. Jfire ( talk) 16:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete — to add to what UtherSRG said, he was nominated for one Grammy, not two, together with four other people. Also, the article is by a banned sockpuppet and paid editor, which we shouldn’t reward. — Biruitorul Talk 18:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment As per this link [20], as well as the Grammy nomination, he has been nominated for a Golden Globe. Also - clearly WP:MUSICBIO applies here. Resonant Distortion 19:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep With named nominations for two three notable awards, that is sufficient to meet WP:MUSICBIO#8. There's also sufficient WP:RS to show the subject meets WP:COMPOSER#1. I have cleaned up the article including removing non-RS citations and adding several more, which may not be multiple lines in depth but do contribute per WP:BASIC, so any "whiff" of paid editor contribution no longer applies. Resonant Distortion 23:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment per the Billboard reference just added to the article - Dring was a named credit in the nomination of the Feel Good Inc. Grammy award. So he does have two Grammy nominations, plus the Golden Globe; I've updated my !vote. Resonant Distortion 15:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete also per WP:NOTINHERITED. Article is rife with the requisite heavy namedropping and coattailing (Jamie T in particular) in attempt to cover for lack of individual notability and weak press-release sourcing. Being nominated just once for a soundtrack song all the way back in 2010, signing an agreement, and his recent production for an unknown indie artist (Terra Twin) aren't enough for SIGCOV. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 00:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    (1) "all the way back in 2010" The date of the Grammy nomination is irrelevant as per WP:NTEMP, (2) Dring has been a Grammy nominee twice not once, the first in 2005, which is verified by a RS in the article, (3) The reason the article is "rife with the requisite heavy namedropping" is because the subject has made credited and verified contributions to a number of notable works, (4) two credited grammy nominations does rather indicate that notability by association does not apply, and (5) There are c. 14 words devoted to Jamie T, which does not appear undue, given that, for example, on the album Trick "sees Jamie T play all instruments alongside longterm collaborator James Dring" ( [21]). I know I am probably repeating myself, but WP:BASIC, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:COMPOSER all apply. Resonant Distortion 07:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete fails WP:MUSICBIO and fails WP:GNG. Can’t find independent reliable sources giving significant coverage. Contributor892z ( talk) 05:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Emmanuel Kwasi Debrah

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The subject is not notable, WP:REFBOMB with sources written by the subject or the company he works for, 95% of the sources emanated from JoyNews where he works. As seen [ here] and [ here, ]. There are even cases where the sources directly came from the subject as seen [ here]. Apart from that, most of the sources are not Reliable and are not Independent Ibjaja055 ( talk) 13:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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All these anomalies are corrected Gyanford ( talk) 10:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Wallflower (band)

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Unreferenced article since 2011. Searching for refs is difficult as there is a more successful band called "The Wallflowers", but even after including band members names into the search it seems like they received no coverage. Nothing in the article writeup suggests Wikipedia notability. InDimensional ( talk) 11:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I’m the original article author. Happy to have article deleted. Band came to an end in 1998 with little notable activity.

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The Ebb and Flow

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Unreferenced article. I couldn't find any significant coverage on the web; it's tough to search for them as their name is shared with a few other groups, but by including band members I found only a very brief Q&A on sfgate.com and an album review on aural-innovations.com, neither of these seem like WP:SIGCOV and nothing in the article suggests notability per WP:BAND InDimensional ( talk) 22:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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La Lionetta

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Doesn't meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 18:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Unreferenced article, nothing of notability in the text and no coverage online. InDimensional ( talk) 11:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: I did a quick search on La Stampa's historical archive (which I highly recommend) and it returned a few hits: 1, an interview dated July 1982, on the release of their second album; 2, a short profile dated November 1982; 3, a concert profile dated June 1999 (which makes me wonder why the article says they broke up in 1987). There's also a profile on the website of Buccheri's council website (it looks dated, but it is the council website!). To me, these results suggest there are likely sufficient offline/historical sources to sustain an article. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 14:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I forgot to add the Buccheri profile link: it's here! On reflection, this seems to be part of an advertisement for a 2004 concert, so I don't think it can contribute to establishing notability as a non-independent source, assuming the council had any involvement in the concert. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 14:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    A search on Google Books seems to return some hits/mentions in the context of Italian folk revival music; this seems indicative of a longer profile as a book chapter. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 21:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Those sources do not adequately support notability. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 19:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep in view of the reliable sources newspaper and book sources identified above by Ignatius that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Nitin Dubey (singer)

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WP:REFBOMBed with sources of unclear reliability and significance. Almost identical to content previously deleted and salted at Nitin Dubey * Pppery * it has begun... 18:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. I read the English language sources and they satisfy GNG. I've no reason to believe the non-English wouldn't check out making this person highly notable. The proper name page needs unsalting, the original salt took place 12 years ago and the world moves on. Desertarun ( talk) 19:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Richard Meyer (producer)

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Practically unsourced since creation. No evidence of notability. Previously deleted and salted as Swayd. Also including Lunar Sound, the studio he operated, which is similarly unreferenced. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Non-notable producer, a web search brings up no coverage whatsoever and the article reads like a résumé. InDimensional ( talk) 11:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:BLP and WP:RS. There are zero sources in the article, a violation of BLP. We usually delete articles about producers, who are run of the mill. Bearian ( talk) 14:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep : The article has been updated and refined with multiple sources added. Richard Meyer is a notable producer in Switzerland, and it is important for non French-speaking people in Europe to be able to read about him as his company, Lunar Sound, is an active recording studio. LissyBaldwin ( talk) 12:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Last.fm, Discogs, Apple Music and Dailymotion are not the best sources. InDimensional ( talk) 22:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    What about physical newspaper articles? Unfortunately their archives haven't been made digitally available to the public, but I can cite the sources. LissyBaldwin ( talk) 11:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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A lot of content was added but no new in-depth coverage I can see other than this from China Daily, but I don't think using a Chinese source of questionable reliability/indendence to establish notability of a Swiss producer is wise. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
What about physical newspaper articles? Unfortunately their archives haven't been made digitally available to the public, but I can cite the sources. LissyBaldwin ( talk) 12:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ LissyBaldwin: it would be helpful if you could detail those newspaper sources here as someone might have access to them and could evaluate them, regards Atlantic306 ( talk) 19:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Apatia

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No notability evident in the article per WP:BAND, mainly just states that they're straight edge and played some concerts. Additionally, I can't find any real coverage on them on the web. InDimensional ( talk) 09:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. I don't know how the nom looked for sources, but they managed to miss and ignore the source cited in the article, from Onet.pl, which meets SIGCOV and is reliable. So that's one - and it calls this band "legendary". Pl wiki lists two more sources, from a notable NGO, which calls one of its albums "cult" ( [22]). The band is mentioned in academic works, including in English, ex [23] "most of the best Polish punk bands such as Apatia...". Other Polish sources: [24] (onet again), [25] ( Gazeta Wyborcza - Polish main newspaper of record), [26] ( Życie Warszawy) I am not going to list more sources, but plenty exist even in English. The nominator deserves a WP:TROUT for terrible execution of WP:BEFORE, since finding sources does not even require speaking Polish (not that these days, with solid machine translation built into most browsers, this should be much of an excuse). PS. That said, the claim about them being mentioned in PWN I could not verify. The article needs improvement, here and on pl wiki, but this is no reason to nuke it. Sources I found here should be enough for anyone who cares to improve this article to get it to DYK level... maybe even I'll do it one day if I find the time. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep due to the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion by Piotrus that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 19:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

John Moore (bluegrass musician)

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This article has no sources and no indication of notability. It was nominated for deletion nearly 20 years ago and has not been improved since it was created in 2005. The subject does not meet any of the guidelines listed in WP:NMUSIC nor WP:NBIO.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aneirinn ( talk • contribs) 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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  • Delete - It is important to note that the WP:NMUSICIAN requirements have gotten much tougher since 2006, when this article survived an AfD discussion pretty much because the gentleman was visible on the Internet. Meanwhile, the current version of the article could possibly be speedy deleted under WP:A7 because it makes no attempt to say how/if he is notable. At any rate, the gentleman is a perennial sideman and local performer who is surely good at what he does, but he has not received the in-depth media coverage that is necessary here, and is only visible in typical streaming and promotional services. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 14:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Byron Berline: I searched but could not find in-depth coverage about Moore. It's not an easy search because of his name and he's played at many bluegrass festivals so a lot hot hits to wade through but I did add a couple sources at least for verification. He was in Berline's band California which won International Bluegrass Music Association Instrumental Group of the Year three years in a row and Moore is mentioned in article. He also taught mandolin to Nickel Creek's Chris Thile and Sean Watkins which might qualify for WP:NMUSICOTHER #3 or #5 but I think that's a weak claim. S0091 ( talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - I voted to delete above, but if this keeps getting relisted with no further progress then we will probably end up with a pointless "no consensus". Therefore I would support the Redirect suggestion above if nobody else votes. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 12:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. S0091 has made a valiant effort but I don't think this is a good redirect. If you searched for John Moore and were redirected to this article, I think you'd feel more confused than informed. (Sorry, Doomsdayer520, but I think even "no consensus" would be better than this confusing redirect.) -- asilvering ( talk) 03:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

La alta escuela

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I couldn't find sources to show they meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 08:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak Keep - I have found 4 citations and added to the article, including one from Vice. The reliability of VICE is questionable per WP:RSP, however, I believe that would not apply to entertainment and music articles. In addition, the band may meet criteria #7 of WP:MUSICBIO, which says "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city." RolandSimon ( talk) 03:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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A-Plus (rapper)

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Just because we have several articles about music produced by him does not make him notable, I find that he is not notable as a musician or a producer. Nagol0929 ( talk) 15:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: I haven't looked closely yet as to whether his article deserves to stay, but it seems to me a redirect to Souls of Mischief might be a better option than outright deletion... yes, I know he is part of Hieroglyphics (group) as well and therefore WP:XY may be considered here, but Hieroglyphics is all of Souls of Michief plus four other people, so he's still a part of Hieroglyphics as a member of Souls of Mischief. Richard3120 ( talk) 16:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: He clearly passes WP:NMUSIC#C6 if he's part of two notable production groups. That doesn't mean we have to have a standalone article on him, just noting a discrepancy in the nom statement. Mach61 20:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep or merge to Souls of Mischief as he does have some individual reliable sources coverage such as an AllMusic staff bio here and a review of one of his 3 solo albums here, Atlantic306 ( talk) 21:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete Other than the 2 sources provided by above editor, there are not enough reliable coverage and 2 of the sources are interviews. Bradelykooper ( talk) 08:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect. None of the sources appear to be reliable, but a search of his name would go to the band's article, a compromise that we do sometimes. Bearian ( talk) 14:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Bearian: AllMusic is a reliable source as per [ [27]] and the bio and album review are not interviews as someone else claimed, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Atlantic306: the only problem is that AllMusic isn’t being used as a reference and all 3 of the references are interviews. Of those only 1 is about A-Plus. Nagol0929 ( talk) 03:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Have added the AllMusic sources as references, Atlantic306 ( talk) 14:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep There's a ton of sourcing (yes, from reliable sources) available on this guy in Google News and Books searches, over a period of decades. It's true that most of them are brief mentions, but with all of the info available, surely the article could be built out and sourced better than it is now. I had to get a little creative in looking for sources since "A plus" is such a generic term, but combining his name with "Hieroglyphics" or "Souls of Mischief" yields many good results. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 19:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Fred Zepelin may you link said results? Mach61 01:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Semzi

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Fails WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER. Sources are either passing mentions, interviews, PRs, or not even mentioning the subject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 11:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep: I'm almost certain the award nominations are notable, but we still need better sourcing for more biographical information. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    More research would be done to support article with more sourcing for biographical information. The subject is quite a notable individual with just probably limited press publications ReoMartins ( talk) 18:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ ReoMartins Well, now you’re taking. As far as I know, there are a lot of notable people in real life who can’t a Wikipedia entry because they don’t meet the necessary Wikipedia notability criteria. Wikipedia’s notability is not exactly real world notability. The current status of this article doesn’t meet up, not that they’re not notable or influential in real life. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 19:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. The subject does not meet any criteria outlined in WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited in the article actually discuss the subject. His nominations at the Beatz Awards aren't enough to justify a stand-alone article.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 15:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep: I agree with Oaktree B that this is a weak keep due to the award nominations. His other sources are weak. Maxcreator ( talk) 03:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Draftify: and mark as promised. Majority of the sources in the article doesn't meet SIGCOV and while the awards merits notability: it's still not much for a standalone entry on Wikipedia. I will remove some sources that didn't add to notability. For my vote (if draftified) can be marked as "promising", since there is a partial way to notability in the future! Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 20:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/02/bad-boy-timz-is-one-of-nigerias-best-singers-ive-worked-with-semzi/amp/ Yes Was talking about the subject Yes Vanguard is reliable per WP:NGRS ~ Much like an about music interview ~ Partial
https://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/weekend-beats/producing-songs-for-davido-mayorkun-the-highlight-of-my-career-so-far-semzi/ Yes Ditto Yes Guardian Nigeria is reliable per WP:NGRS No Normally, Weekend Beats sounds like PR ✘ No
https://the49thstreet.com/49th-exclusive-semzi/ Yes Above No Blog sites No Interview and blog post ✘ No
https://pan-african-music.com/en/nigerian-producers-2022/ ~ A list that mentions articles, more of featuring, no PR here ~ See editorial No List ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/review-dj-consequence-vibes-from-the-future/jhle44r No No mention Yes Per WP:NGRS No No mention ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timzs-mj/ No No mention Yes Ditto No No mention ✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/11/nicki-minaj-nas-ifeanyi-adeleke-feature-on-davidos-a-better-time-album/ No No metion Yes Per above No No mention of the subject ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/mayorkun-features-victony-on-holy-father/jbrp0lg No Ditto Yes See above No No mention ✘ No
https://www.okayafrica.com/joeboy-drops-new-music-album/ No No mention Yes Okay Africa is reliable No Applied same as above ✘ No
https://www.morebranches.com/omah-lay-couples-with-more-emotions-on-the-deluxe-version-of-boy-alone/ No No mention No Not a reliable source, blog or PR No Same as above ✘ No
https://guardian.ng/life/listen-ajebo-hustlers-featuring-fave-in-love/ No Mention! Yes Why not? No More like PR—get away magazine mention; just mention ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timz-serves-new-visuals-for-faya-from-empires-where-we-come-from-vol-1-compilation-album/ No Passing mention Yes Per WP:NGRS No Inherent mention ✘ No
https://www.max1023.fm/boy-spyce-releases-new-single-relationship/ No Les or no mention Yes Max FM is a Lagos based television channel No Inherent notability only on Boy Source ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/no-bad-boy-no-party-highlights-significant-moments-in-bad-boy-timzs-journey/ No Passing mention Yes Culture custodian is a reliable source No Still on production. Inherent notability ✘ No
https://soundcity.tv/afropop-sensation-bad-boy-timz-unveils-debut-album-no-bad-boy-no-party/ No Focuses on Bad Boy Time, a Nigerian artist Yes Sound City TV is a Nigerian television music channel No Focus lacking on the subject ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/victony-features-14-artists-on-new-song-ohema/8988dbp No Passing mention Yes Like above No Doesn't meet notability ✘ No
https://randr.ng/nominations-list-the-beatz-award-2021/ No List No Rhythm and Rhyme is a blog site No List ✘ No
https://thebeatzawards.com/winners-perfecto/ ~ List Yes For the award but not for other citations No Being nominated doesn't mean notability. Per WP:ENT, the subject must have been nominated multiple times of a major award ✘ No
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  • Delete: After analysis of the source above, I was convinced of the many "passing mentions", "no mention" and more generated in citing sources relating to PR. Nothing to draftify again. It doesn't meet WP:THREE for sources, WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCER. Each of the sources either mention, or not at all, or about a music one of an artist he had worked for previously. Delete is the "best" alternative. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 13:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
In one of the discussions and sources, it submits an evidence about this act who just recently co-produced a track that has over ten credible and notable artistes from Sub-Sahara Africa featured. These artistes have their wiki pages, I believe the professional who takes up the task to fuse these different acts into a single musical project is worthy of an article on Wikipedia as well. ReoMartins ( talk) 13:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ ReoMartins It is imperative for you to know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason for you to think an article should be kept. You should also importantly see WP:INHERITED. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Liz, there is already a consensus here if by analysis of the arguments above. Isn't see the reason for relisting. Most importantly, the keep isn't strong enough or showed how the article meets inclusion. The source table can also be reviewed to see blatant addition of sources that doesn't mention the article. (Just a 'simpler' suggestion. ) —  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 09:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ SafariScribe Hehe, if I was an administrator, I would have relisted this discussion too, so don't worry, Liz made the right decision. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Vanderwaalforces, Sure. It's just that Liz doesn't take time analysing such deletions. Welp, it's good getting clearer consensus. —  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 14:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Safari Scribe, well, that's quite an insult I didn't expect to see when I was reviewing open AFD discussions tonight. I'll just leave this one for another closer to handle since you are unsatisfied with how I'm handling things. Again, this is a volunteer hobby, not a job and nothing obligates me to close or relist any AFD discussion but I try to use my best judgment. But I'll leave this one alone and someone else can eventually close it. Liz Read! Talk! 06:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Working with subjects that pass GNG is not enough to provide notability. While I see subject having some nominations, I fail to see WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER here by secondary sources. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 13:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Michael Lord (music)

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The article has a promotional feel. I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject (or, frankly, any coverage). There is a reference in the article, but it's just album liner notes. toweli ( talk) 13:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of sports television composers

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Not that all but one is entirely unsourced but WP:LISTCRUFT sums it all up. Virtually all of those bluelinked are not specific to sports broadcastings; for example, a bulk of John Williams' fame was from movie composing. Are we going to every film and TV composers who worked on the Olympics too. Are we going to list Emerson, Lake & Palmer ( Fanfare for the Common Man) and Fleetwood Mac ( The Chain) too? I cannot see this passing WP:NLIST too. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Lil' Cory

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Non-notable rapper / actor. All the sourcing is from unreliable sources, or simply not usable for establishing notability. This has been insistently placed in mainspace after previously being draftified so taking this to AFD. Whpq ( talk) 03:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • DELETE as was stated in my decline notices none of the sources provide any sort of significant coverage or any indication of notability either in WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. Notability is not inherited through others. McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 03:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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    They were merely mentioned as a cast member absolutely no detail was given in that source, therefore it does nothing towards notability. It only confirms they made an appearance at some point on the show which does not indicate any sort of notability. McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 03:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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AllMusic "Echota Yoda" (Featuring Lil Wayne

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Lil Cory Featuring Blueface
I found these sources which speak on the subjects major collaborative projects with notable persons such as Lil Wayne, Gucci Mane, 2 Chainz and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfvillage ( talk • contribs) 04:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Akade

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No clear notability. Creation tends to indicate an undeclared conflict of interest. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Fayse Goh

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the article appears to be very promotional. I also searched up the name, and it appears to plagarize his youtube channel's description. Gaismagorm ( talk) 20:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Rory Phillips (DJ)

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it doesn’t meet the criteria for notability. 1. Out of 4 references, 2 are links to artist’s own pages. 2 are PR pieces. 2. They have never had any single or album chart in their home country or abroad. 3. Nor have they had a record certified as gold. 4. They’ve never ‘had important coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country’ 5. Not released any albums. 6. Hasn’t been a member of 2 or more notable groups. 7. Hasn’t become one of the most important representatives of a notable style or the most important of the local scene of a city 8 & 9. Hasn’t won any awards 10. Not made music for any notable other media 11. Hasn’t been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network 12. Nor have they been subject of any documentaries etc Sarcastathon ( talk) 08:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Daniel Rosenfeldt

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Hi; this is my first time both using Twinkle and participating in the AfD process, so try not to flame me too hard if I make a mistake here. This article has somewhat poor sourcing and I've done a check for his name to try and find anything on him but I've come up short. If anyone can find better sources for this, that would be great, but I'm unable to on my end. Neo Purgatorio ( talk) 00:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hiljson Mandela

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The subject is not notable. The award "Cesarica" is not at all notable to value the importance of the subject. Upon WP:BEFORE, I could find 3 articles about him, which doesn't show notability. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 08:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • It's easy enough to find widespread Croatian mainstream media coverage of this person - HRT had them on one of their music shows in 2021 [2], RTL interviewed him in 2022 [3] and later hired him for their 'Masked Singer' show in 2023 [4], and Nova TV covered his interview in 2023 [5]. There's a nationwide renown and it's a topic that might conceivably interest a few average English readers. Ultimately, if we kept Barbara Radulović back in the day, we might as well keep this. -- Joy ( talk) 07:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Absolutely strongly disagree. I second everything Joy mentioned! He is one of the most successful young Croatian musicians/rappers. With 2 Porin nominations [6] [7], coverage by the 3 biggest Croatian TV channels (including interviews and participating as one of the celebrity contestants in Masked Singer) + millions of YouTube views and a lot more (I get that you couldn't find it tho, but there's def a lot of sources), I would say he is undoubtedly notable. I'm willing to expand the article soon. CroatiaElects ( talk) 18:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

James A. O'Flaherty

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Biography of subject that doesn't meet WP:NBIO or WP:MUSICBIO or other criteria. (Article was created, seemingly, by a family member. And relies entirely on sources written by family members. Was speedy deleted in 2007. Was restored, after request from creator, shortly afterwards - on the basis that notability might be established by "news reports" and having a music retreat "named for him". However, the only news report mentioned (which doesn't appear to be verifiable) seems to be about the music retreat. Rather than the subject. And while it is a credit to the man/family/community that the event was so-named, it doesn't establish notability. Even if the event was notable (and I would question whether it is), notability isn't transferrable.) My own WP:BEFORE has returned nothing to indicate that NBIO or SIGCOV are met. WP:COI and WP:NOTMEMORIAL are also relevant. Guliolopez ( talk) 13:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Chris King (rapper)

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Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG, most sources are just links to his music on streaming sites. BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions) 18:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

But it still shows that everything is based on facts? So what is the problem Elektrinhooo ( talk) 18:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
He hadn't accomplished anything we'd consider for musical notability here; he got barely any press mentions when he was alive. A tragic death, yes, but that isn't enough for notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Oh but I do think his appearances on the Trippie Redd songs are notable. Really good performances and I have never seen anyone say they weren't good. The Trippie Redd tapes he was on did chart on the billboard 200, so I'd say that this is partially because of him. Elektrinhooo ( talk) 10:30, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete: No notability when alive it seems, I don't see charted singles, album reviews or much of anything. Even the many articles on his death are about him being a friend of Justin Bieber. Friend of a famous person doesn't quite get us notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - No indication of notability before his death. Magnolia677 ( talk) 21:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - We've seen this a lot, as a previously non-notable musician (typically a murdered rapper) suddenly gets media coverage for his death, and media outlets use the occasion to talk about his music for the first time ever while quoting more famous people that he knew. This rapper achieved nothing musically that qualifies for notability at WP:NMUSICIAN. All media coverage is about his recent death, but that does not qualify for notability under WP:NVICTIM either. May he R.I.P. but he doesn't qualify for an article here. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Sources are too thin and it seems notability has not been established. InDimensional ( talk) 11:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: It's odd that nobody has brought up moving the page to Death of Chris King but even then it would probably not follow WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING. Duke of New Gwynedd ( talk | contrib.) 19:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Carterson

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Sources are either PRs/promo puffs/Advertorials, WP:RUNOFTHEMILL both primary and independent of the subject. Non-notable musician. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 16:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Alekh Kumar Parida

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. The sources are paid press - no reliable or significant sources. Additionally, this subject does not indicate any significance to have an article on Wikipedia. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 19:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

John Ratcliff (producer)

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Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NBIO, and I do not believe being a producer for a notable band is an automatic WP:NMUSIC pass either. I could not locate sources with substantial coverage of Ratcliff. All sources cover him only peripherally, as a producer for a-Ha. The article is now primarily an autobiography. Would accept a redirect to a-Ha as an alternative to deletion. Jfire ( talk) 03:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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    I not only re- produced the final masters of 8 of the tracks on a-ha’s 15 million selling first album Hunting High and Low but I also discovered them in 1983 and kept them, gave them £thousands and helped secure a record deal with Warners. I managed them under contract from 1983 to 1993 and without my financial and creative input they would have returned to Norway and never been heard of again! How dare you propose to delete this article. I have nearly completed my autobiography which inevitably contains the entire story of how I rescued them when they had no money left and put them in my recording studio for 2 years without any return for another 12 months. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • agree that REDIRECT to a-Ha is appropriate. Most sources are primary references. The only third party references are more about a-Ha with this subject being mentioned tangentially. Otherwise, this article seems more promotional than anything else. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 18:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    How dare you presume! You know nothing. In 1983 a-ha came into my studio but ran out of money after 2 weeks. For the next 2 years I covered every housing cost., food cost and leisure costs out of my own pocket because I believed in their talent.I also let them have free studio time for 2 years during which we recorded and produced nearly all of the tracks on their first album. I became their manager in 1983 and their contract lasted with me until 1993!Their best 10 years to date. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I.will take legal action if you have the cheek to remove this article. My autobiography is almost finished detailing my entire 10 years managing the band and the consequences for both a-ha and myself. 200 million record sales for a start! If you want a copy of my management contract with a-ha just ask. I lost my house and marriage while supporting the band before their success. Buy my autobiography next year and you can read every detail. Nobody, nobody knows the ‘a-ha’ history better than I do. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 01:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Get your facts right. I discovered the band when they came into my studio and spent 2 weeks recording. I liked what I heard and when they ran out of time and money I supported them for 2 years before Take on Me became a bestseller.I was contractually their Manager from 1983 to 1993. I re-produced 8 out of 10 tracks on their first and most popular album Hunting high and Low. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: There are two decent sources on the article, both telling the story of the recording of "Take On Me": " Talking Away: A-Ha On The Making Of Take On Me" on The Quietus, and " Classic Tracks: A-ha 'Take On Me'" on Sound on Sound. There may be some claim to notability. However, the article subject badgering us and making legal threats on this deletion discussion makes it difficult for me to vote keep. Toughpigs ( talk) 02:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    If you are not going to allow this article to remain then you are ignoring the truth of the matter. I thought the truth was a basic necessity of a site that should only provide fact.I am only writing as a matter of principle. My lawyers will only reveal their legal expertise. Buy the album…my name is all over the sleeve. More times than the band members themselves 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To toughpig. I don’t give a damn - oh sorry..is that blasphemy? In this day and age? I am in no way making threats! I am merely standing up for myself and the truth.Who is your superior? Put him/her on to it before I wake up my lawyer and we can sort this out legally and properly. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I now understand the reason for your username. Well I am tough too but my lawyer is tougher, and very expensive as you will discover should this minuscule matter not be resolved satisfactorily. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 02:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    To tough pig. It says you have ‘2 decent sources’. What better ‘source’ could you have but myself. I discovered, produced and managed ‘a-ha’ for 10 years from 1983 to 1993. I think my knowledge of this entire matter is inevitably going to be seen as the most accurate. Your organisation obviously listens hardest to those names you recognise. You don’t realise that it’s the people behind the names who have a far greater knowledge and understanding for detail than you ever will. Change your username….or is it your real name? I do apologise. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 03:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    It will be very easy for me to find out who you really are. 217.137.18.193 ( talk) 03:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    217.137.18.193, stop your threats. WP:NLT and WP:OUTING are policies here. You can vent, and you can argue for this article to be kept, but you can't harass people. Jfire ( talk) 04:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Read my opening statements from the top again. Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I am not harassing anyone. I am merely pointing out that I am not ‘just’ their producer. I discovered them in 1983, kept, housed, fed and gave them my studio for 2 years,signed them to an extremely lucrative management contract for 5 years and then to a major deal with Warners. That is an awful lot more than ‘producing’ a track don’t you think? Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I was their manager from 1983 to 1993.I still get royalties!
    Why am I having to justify facts that are common knowledge in my industry? Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I saw your opening statement and I believe you when you say you've done all those things for the band and were important to their success. But saying things like "I will take legal action if you have the cheek to remove this article", "My lawyers will only reveal their legal expertise", "before I wake up my lawyer and we can sort this out legally", and "It will be very easy for me to find out who you really are" is not okay here. You need to avoid making statements that can be construed as legal threats or threats to reveal someone's identity.
    "Why am I having to justify facts that are common knowledge in my industry?" is a valid question. The answer is that one of the pillars of Wikipedia is that information here is verifiable: readers must be able to check that any information is not just made up. That means we can't rely on what's "common knowledge" in any industry unless it's been published in reliable sources somewhere. When your autobiography is published, we may be able to use it as a source in a-ha (depending on whether it is self-published or not). But we can't just rely on your own personal statements here, even if we believe them. Jfire ( talk) 04:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I apologise if you feel I was harassing you. ‘a-ha’ is a very sensitive subject for me. I gave up my home and lost my wife and young child on account of my involvement with a-ha. So it is a passionate and sensitive subject.
    I reiterate, I am very sorry to have upset you.
    John Johnratcliff ( talk) 04:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to a-ha (with merging in of any useful information) pending publication of the autobiography referred to by the 217 IP (who appears to be the same person as Johnratcliff?). If it gets reviews in reliable sources, the article can then be reinstated based on those in addition to the few good sources currently present. Notability is borderline at present, since it can't be inherited from the band (and since our criterion for an independent page is notability, not admiration). The article is an under-referenced BLP and the last paragraph is stylistically inappropriate: "PS ... John". But it may be rewritable from sources a year from now. Yngvadottir ( talk) 08:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per above, does not seem independently notable. Slatersteven ( talk) 09:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per Yngvadottir. I removed a lot of recent COI additions that were entirely unsourced. Those should not be in a BLP. What remains are 4 sources that I will throw into a source analysis table:
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Sirfurboy
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.johnratcliff.com/john--a-ha No "In his own words". His own website. WP:SPS ? Reliable but self promotional Yes ✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20220521024623/https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/ha-take-me Yes Yes I believe it is. Didn't actually check. No He is mentioned in the source several times but there is no significant information about him ✘ No
https://thequietus.com/articles/18805-aha-hunting-high-and-low-take-on-me-review-anniversary Yes Yes No He is mentioned in the source several times but there is no significant information about him ✘ No
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01727601 Yes Yes No A primary source that says nothing about Ratcliffe in any case ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.

However the redirect is reasonable as this is clearly someone who gets a mention regarding a-ha and is borderline notable. Although the above assessment covers what is in the page, there could be more secondary sources on him. However the name is quite common and searching is complicated by finding other notable Jonh Ratcliffes. I was not able to find any suitable coverage, but if multiple independent reliable secondary sources with sigificant coverage can be found, then, of course, this would be a notable subject for a page. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 10:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Redirect to a-ha: Not enough notability outside of a-ha to warrant an individual page. InDimensional ( talk) 11:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to a-ha. I haven't been able to find sources to support WP:GNG beyond those mentioned here, and none of those support a stand-alone article. Schazjmd  (talk) 16:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Trés Hanley

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Strong WP:COI vibes; the article creator has (mostly) only edited this article over a period of 14 years, also uploaded the two pictures as "own work" that are in the article. Sources are the subject's personal website and two sources that don't meet WP:RS. Lots of unsourced cruft. A search for more RS reveals lots of user-generated content, which fits the pattern. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 18:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Extended content
  • The production was 1993 at London's Canazzaro Park. Miss Hanley did TV interviews in which it was stated several times that she was the first american to play the role. The Director was Peter Benedict. Many of the parks productions are not listed in IBDB even to this day. Yet they are listed with the West End summer limited run productions. PleeUK ( talk) 13:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    There are several parks productions - Holland Park, Regents and Cannazaro London summer theatre associated with the West End in the 90s. Which roles were bit parts? Care to be specific? If you watch any of the shows that she has been in they are all featured roles or principle roles. Is this a legit or personal attempt on her work? PleeUK ( talk) 14:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Two questions: (1) do you have reliable secondary sources to back up these statements? (2) Do you have a WP:COI with Hanley? I ask because most of your edits are to this article, and you seem to have a knowledge of her career that sources do not. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 16:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes, all her works are also verifiable on IMDB. There are various article that were online that may be dead links now. I have met her in the past twice. But cannot say I am a friend. I do find Wiki confusing and so If I did not do something correct I apologize. PleeUK ( talk) 16:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
You say you "cannot say I am a friend" - but in this edit, you say "You are looking to delete my friends page." Let's continue this tangent on your talk page. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 16:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I have said, I do not know her personally but I consider her a friend. I have followed her on social media and she is my friend there. You people here are very technical. Not all as familiar with the technical workings here.
You also make many false statements here saying her roles were bit parts when her name is on poster for movie mouth to mouth. And she has been lead or featured. Maybe you are experts on how to use wikipedia and I am not. I did apologize for it, but you do not have your facts on the actress correct. I was making an intervention on keep her page that's all. You do what you need to do. Thank you. PleeUK ( talk) 17:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Provide citations to the articles in your scrapbook, as described below and on your own Talk page. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 18:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
User:PleeUK, Wikipedia does not accept IMDB as a WP:reliable source, because it is user-generated, so you need to cite reviews or articles from reputable publishers, like newspapers, about each production, show and film in which she appeared. You can't just say "she got press coverage" for something, you need to cite the exact article, author name, page number or URL, etc. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I have a scrap book with information but i cannot track it to the periodicals online today. This is from over 20 yrs ago not now all online. PleeUK ( talk) 17:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
They don't have to be online. Here is how you can succeed: We need the name of the publication, the title and date of the article or book, the name of the author and the page number on which the information appeared. Post those things on the article's Talk page, and also type out the exact text from the article that verifies a statement made in Henley's article, so that I and other editors can see it, and if it does verify WP:NOTEWORTHY facts about her from a WP:RS, then I can add an appropriate cite to her Wikipedia entry. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
You say IMDB is user generated but not all most of it is supplied from the tv or film compamies. You can watch the shows and see these actors in the roles. So how is this not legit? PleeUK ( talk) 17:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
On your talk page, Fred Zepelin has posted the answer to your question. But be assured that it is not an acceptable source, and you will not succeed by arguing about that. Instead, follow the procedure that I outlined for you above. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ebrahim Etemadi

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Ebrahim Etemadi likely doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Additionally, the mentioned sources might not be reliable enough. Waqar 💬 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Schwein

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Relisting as previous nomination did not attract any comment and soft deletion was not applicable. Non-notable band that only lasted one year; no sources found in English or German. Sources in Japanese linked on the page do not show WP:SIGCOV. Broc ( talk) 14:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I believe the article should stay up. Per Wikipedia:Notability (music), point 6, the group consists of several independently notable musicians. Weiqwbo ( talk) 14:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Steve Ewing

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Promotional article fails WP:BIO. No content worth merging. Schierbecker ( talk) 07:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

David McGarry

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An unsourced article, and there is nothing that I could find online that would allow David McGarry to meet notability requirements for musicians. Cleo Cooper ( talk) 01:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Dou Kalender

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I stumbled across this article. It wasn't very big, but I made it even smaller as it is unsourced. Originally, the only source was the band's website, but that no longer exists (I've removed it). It's an orphan. The image is on no other language project, including the Turkish one. Although it was created over 10 years ago, only one person has it on their watchlist. That said, I know nothing about band singers, especially foreign ones and have not done WP:BEFORE. If editors think it should be kept, this AfD will hopefully serve to improve the facial notability of the subject and the quality of the article itself. Fails WP:SINGER. Bbb23 ( talk) 16:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete I won't spend as much time rewriting my comment, because the WP:XFDVOTE tool did not save my comment. Simply put, I couldn't find reliable independent sources on him. There is possible COI as the creator's sole contribution was this biography for more than a decade. The band could be luckier in terms of notability, but it interestingly lacks an article, and after a quick search, I am unsure if there is sufficient coverage out there. I would, however, support redirecting this to an article about the band if it ever gets created during this discussion. Aintabli ( talk) 21:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Renzo Vitale

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Highly promotional piece written by a UPE. PROD declined. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
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Los Zodiac

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This was hard to assess, especially as there are varying spellings used. I couldn't find enough to show it meets WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Survived 2005 AfD ([ [9]], but standards very different then. Boleyn ( talk) 10:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • From this it seems like there is some level of coverage in 2018's Demoler. El rock en el Perú 1965-1975 by Carlos Torres Rotondo
  • There may be some leads from this: "Very little has been written about the History of Rock in our environment. Only sketches (as some newspapers usually publish) and some studies such as the one done by Jose Miguel Gonzalo Garcia, entitled Development of Youth Music in Peru, give us a brief idea of this whole matter. But the closest thing to a treatise on the so-called underground current or alternative music comes from the university works of which I mention (but always from a giraffe perspective, based more on journalistic data or conversations with subways, than on personal experiences), the job that my friend Miguel Lescano did at the beginning of the 90s, or the Underground Rock -10 Years of Wild Operas by Alvaro Olano Dextre. All of them are the first formal attempts to capture a history of underground rock. Someone will try to object to me by saying, what about Pedro Cornejo's book? I'm sorry to contradict you little brother, but the Game without Borders - Approaches to Contemporary Music that Pedro published in 1994 is not considered, not even by Pedro Cornejo himself, a total work, at least it is not what many (like me) expected from Pedro Cornejo Guinassi, graduate in Philosophy, professor at La Católica, participant in the first years of underground rock, editor and collaborator of alternative publications and other publications."
  • es-wiki does not have an article for them, and nor are they actually covered at es:Rock_del_Perú or es:Historia_del_rock_en_el_Perú
  • They are not the Los Zodiacs from Getxo in Spain who had a song in a Pepsi ad (see this from El Correo)
I can't see what's in Torres, etc, but there's otherwise a dearth of reliable sourcing for the band other than being one of a number of early 60s Peruvian rock bands. Unless adequate info is discovered in Torres or other RS, redirect with retention of history and categories seems the sensible option. ~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~ 12:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Haini Wolfgramm

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Member of a notable band, but per WP:MUSICBIO, not sufficiently notable independent of the band for a separate article. In a WP:BEFORE search, I can only find passing mentions of him in articles about the band. The Grammy nomination was for the band. He and his large family were interviewed on a national TV programme in 1994, and that interview was covered by some other media, but that would appear to be WP:BLP1E, and doesn't quite get him over the line for WP:MUSICBIO. A redirect to the band article could be an alternative to deletion, but I'm bringing it here first for discussion. Wikishovel ( talk) 05:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I also recommend doing the same for Eugene Wolfgramm and Elizabeth Wolfgramm, for the exact same reasons. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 12:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Kami Paul

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Fails to meet relevant WP:MUSICBIO as well general WP:GNG. I would suggest first delete and then redirect to Noori. This BLP was created by a user who might have a COI.— Saqib ( talk | contribs) 20:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect to Noori: not enough individual notability to warrant an individual article. InDimensional ( talk) 11:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Shreyas Puranik

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Fails WP:GNG, appears not notable. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 16:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. As the creator of the article i would like to suggest keep, as it passes WP:MUSIC. The musical artist have received full fledged coverage from independent media sources for his work such as [10], [11], [12]. [13]. Further the artist also passes one of the criteria of winning or being nominated for a notable award, as he won the notable Filmfare R. D. Burman Award in the category of upcoming music talent. [14] [15]

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The above references are either paid placement or Press Releases. Bakhtar40 ( talk) 15:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Pass WP:MUSIC, Also, there are significant reliable sources availabe which talks about the subject. Grabup ( talk) 04:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Ian Ferrier

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WP:BLP of a writer and musician, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for writers or musicians. This was previously deleted in 2019 per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Ferrier and then got recreated in fall 2023 after his death, but this version is still referenced almost entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all -- even the one footnote that's technically citing a newspaper is still just his paid-inclusion death notice in the classifieds, not a journalist-written news story about his death, and virtually everything else is content self-published by companies or organizations he was directly affiliated with, while the one potentially acceptable source (LitLive) is not enough to clinch passage of GNG all by itself.
And for notability claims, there are statements (a minor literary award, presidency of an organization) that might count for something if they were sourced properly, but there's still absolutely nothing that would be "inherently" notable enough to hand him an automatic notability freebie in the absence of proper WP:GNG-worthy sourcing.
And the French interlang is based entirely on the same poor sourcing as this one, so it has no GNG-worthy footnotes that can be copied over to salvage this either. Bearcat ( talk) 16:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: Article has plenty of references so it seems like coverage is enough to pass notability guidelines. InDimensional ( talk) 11:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Summer Obsession

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Article about a band, not properly referenced as having a strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The attempted notability claims here are (a) being booked to play a major festival tour but then not doing it because their stage was cancelled, which is not a free pass over the touring criterion as they obviously can't have gotten coverage for a tour that didn't happen; (b) releasing one album on a major label, where NMUSIC requires two albums before the mere existence of albums becomes a notability clinch in and of itself; and (c) placing songs in video games and compilation albums, which is the one criterion in NMUSIC that explicitly undermines itself with a "not enough if it's the only criterion they pass" stopper clause.
But this is referenced solely to an AllMusic profile, which is a valid starter source but not enough all by itself, and since all of this happened 15-20 years ago a Google search is only landing me directory entries and primary sources rather than WP:GNG-worthy reliable source coverage.
So I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much better access than I've got to archived US music media coverage from the naughts can find enough proper sourcing to salvage it, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt them from having to have a lot more than just one GNG-worthy footnote. Bearcat ( talk) 15:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. This is a tough one on account of the difficult-to-Google name and the age, but the Allmusic entry accurately reflects that this band did tour nationally in the late 2000s and have a reasonable level of visibility in the scene at the time. Redirecting to Leavell's discography doesn't seem to be very helpful to users. Unfortunately, a lot of the independent press of that time is no longer online (I'm fairly certain they got written up in Alternative Press, but their online archive doesn't go back that far, and I definitely recall that they were reviewed at Absolute Punk, which is no longer operating), but there is still a little out there - besides AMG, there's [16], [17], [18], and [19] (note that Exclaim! is international coverage). That's enough to squeak by for me, especially on the reasonable presumption that there are offline sources to supplement. Since they toured and released their album in Japan, we might also want to look for Japanese-language sources; this might be a Melee-type "big in Japan" situation. Chubbles ( talk) 00:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Eternal Decision

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There are no references in the article and I can't find any reliable sources online covering the band. XabqEfdg ( talk) 01:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I see plenty of non-RS, looks like they last put anything out in 2005, and their albums are still available via eBay. Not my area of expertise, but I suspect this might be saveable if someone can find reviews. Jclemens ( talk) 06:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep as they do have a staff written AllMusic bio here which states that their first album was released in 16 countries to considerable acclaim. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I dug for sources and did not find any reliable ones. I unfortunately think an Allmusic bio is not enough when not coupled with reviews. According to this page, there exists one review in HM Magazine (formerly Heaven's Metal Magazine), but that's a bit thin as well. Scene-wise, the lack of coverage is not unexpected either, seeing as thrash metal was long out of favour when this band started releasing. Geschichte ( talk) 19:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per Gechichte. I also cannot find anything sufficint to demonstrate notability. Fails WP:NBAND

James Dring

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PROD requested, but denied for being Grammy nominated. However, WP:ANYBIO requires winning once, or being nominated multiple times. Is twice good enough? I read multiple as something greater than two. So, fails ANYBIO. Even more, none of the references pass WP:SIRS, so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NBIO. Sources are database entries and press releases. No significant coverage. Jfire ( talk) 16:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete — to add to what UtherSRG said, he was nominated for one Grammy, not two, together with four other people. Also, the article is by a banned sockpuppet and paid editor, which we shouldn’t reward. — Biruitorul Talk 18:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment As per this link [20], as well as the Grammy nomination, he has been nominated for a Golden Globe. Also - clearly WP:MUSICBIO applies here. Resonant Distortion 19:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep With named nominations for two three notable awards, that is sufficient to meet WP:MUSICBIO#8. There's also sufficient WP:RS to show the subject meets WP:COMPOSER#1. I have cleaned up the article including removing non-RS citations and adding several more, which may not be multiple lines in depth but do contribute per WP:BASIC, so any "whiff" of paid editor contribution no longer applies. Resonant Distortion 23:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment per the Billboard reference just added to the article - Dring was a named credit in the nomination of the Feel Good Inc. Grammy award. So he does have two Grammy nominations, plus the Golden Globe; I've updated my !vote. Resonant Distortion 15:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete also per WP:NOTINHERITED. Article is rife with the requisite heavy namedropping and coattailing (Jamie T in particular) in attempt to cover for lack of individual notability and weak press-release sourcing. Being nominated just once for a soundtrack song all the way back in 2010, signing an agreement, and his recent production for an unknown indie artist (Terra Twin) aren't enough for SIGCOV. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 00:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    (1) "all the way back in 2010" The date of the Grammy nomination is irrelevant as per WP:NTEMP, (2) Dring has been a Grammy nominee twice not once, the first in 2005, which is verified by a RS in the article, (3) The reason the article is "rife with the requisite heavy namedropping" is because the subject has made credited and verified contributions to a number of notable works, (4) two credited grammy nominations does rather indicate that notability by association does not apply, and (5) There are c. 14 words devoted to Jamie T, which does not appear undue, given that, for example, on the album Trick "sees Jamie T play all instruments alongside longterm collaborator James Dring" ( [21]). I know I am probably repeating myself, but WP:BASIC, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:COMPOSER all apply. Resonant Distortion 07:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete fails WP:MUSICBIO and fails WP:GNG. Can’t find independent reliable sources giving significant coverage. Contributor892z ( talk) 05:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Emmanuel Kwasi Debrah

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The subject is not notable, WP:REFBOMB with sources written by the subject or the company he works for, 95% of the sources emanated from JoyNews where he works. As seen [ here] and [ here, ]. There are even cases where the sources directly came from the subject as seen [ here]. Apart from that, most of the sources are not Reliable and are not Independent Ibjaja055 ( talk) 13:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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All these anomalies are corrected Gyanford ( talk) 10:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Wallflower (band)

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Unreferenced article since 2011. Searching for refs is difficult as there is a more successful band called "The Wallflowers", but even after including band members names into the search it seems like they received no coverage. Nothing in the article writeup suggests Wikipedia notability. InDimensional ( talk) 11:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I’m the original article author. Happy to have article deleted. Band came to an end in 1998 with little notable activity.

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The Ebb and Flow

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Unreferenced article. I couldn't find any significant coverage on the web; it's tough to search for them as their name is shared with a few other groups, but by including band members I found only a very brief Q&A on sfgate.com and an album review on aural-innovations.com, neither of these seem like WP:SIGCOV and nothing in the article suggests notability per WP:BAND InDimensional ( talk) 22:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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La Lionetta

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Doesn't meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 18:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Unreferenced article, nothing of notability in the text and no coverage online. InDimensional ( talk) 11:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: I did a quick search on La Stampa's historical archive (which I highly recommend) and it returned a few hits: 1, an interview dated July 1982, on the release of their second album; 2, a short profile dated November 1982; 3, a concert profile dated June 1999 (which makes me wonder why the article says they broke up in 1987). There's also a profile on the website of Buccheri's council website (it looks dated, but it is the council website!). To me, these results suggest there are likely sufficient offline/historical sources to sustain an article. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 14:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I forgot to add the Buccheri profile link: it's here! On reflection, this seems to be part of an advertisement for a 2004 concert, so I don't think it can contribute to establishing notability as a non-independent source, assuming the council had any involvement in the concert. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 14:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    A search on Google Books seems to return some hits/mentions in the context of Italian folk revival music; this seems indicative of a longer profile as a book chapter. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 21:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Those sources do not adequately support notability. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 19:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep in view of the reliable sources newspaper and book sources identified above by Ignatius that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Nitin Dubey (singer)

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WP:REFBOMBed with sources of unclear reliability and significance. Almost identical to content previously deleted and salted at Nitin Dubey * Pppery * it has begun... 18:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. I read the English language sources and they satisfy GNG. I've no reason to believe the non-English wouldn't check out making this person highly notable. The proper name page needs unsalting, the original salt took place 12 years ago and the world moves on. Desertarun ( talk) 19:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Richard Meyer (producer)

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Practically unsourced since creation. No evidence of notability. Previously deleted and salted as Swayd. Also including Lunar Sound, the studio he operated, which is similarly unreferenced. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Non-notable producer, a web search brings up no coverage whatsoever and the article reads like a résumé. InDimensional ( talk) 11:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:BLP and WP:RS. There are zero sources in the article, a violation of BLP. We usually delete articles about producers, who are run of the mill. Bearian ( talk) 14:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep : The article has been updated and refined with multiple sources added. Richard Meyer is a notable producer in Switzerland, and it is important for non French-speaking people in Europe to be able to read about him as his company, Lunar Sound, is an active recording studio. LissyBaldwin ( talk) 12:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Last.fm, Discogs, Apple Music and Dailymotion are not the best sources. InDimensional ( talk) 22:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    What about physical newspaper articles? Unfortunately their archives haven't been made digitally available to the public, but I can cite the sources. LissyBaldwin ( talk) 11:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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A lot of content was added but no new in-depth coverage I can see other than this from China Daily, but I don't think using a Chinese source of questionable reliability/indendence to establish notability of a Swiss producer is wise. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
What about physical newspaper articles? Unfortunately their archives haven't been made digitally available to the public, but I can cite the sources. LissyBaldwin ( talk) 12:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ LissyBaldwin: it would be helpful if you could detail those newspaper sources here as someone might have access to them and could evaluate them, regards Atlantic306 ( talk) 19:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Apatia

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No notability evident in the article per WP:BAND, mainly just states that they're straight edge and played some concerts. Additionally, I can't find any real coverage on them on the web. InDimensional ( talk) 09:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. I don't know how the nom looked for sources, but they managed to miss and ignore the source cited in the article, from Onet.pl, which meets SIGCOV and is reliable. So that's one - and it calls this band "legendary". Pl wiki lists two more sources, from a notable NGO, which calls one of its albums "cult" ( [22]). The band is mentioned in academic works, including in English, ex [23] "most of the best Polish punk bands such as Apatia...". Other Polish sources: [24] (onet again), [25] ( Gazeta Wyborcza - Polish main newspaper of record), [26] ( Życie Warszawy) I am not going to list more sources, but plenty exist even in English. The nominator deserves a WP:TROUT for terrible execution of WP:BEFORE, since finding sources does not even require speaking Polish (not that these days, with solid machine translation built into most browsers, this should be much of an excuse). PS. That said, the claim about them being mentioned in PWN I could not verify. The article needs improvement, here and on pl wiki, but this is no reason to nuke it. Sources I found here should be enough for anyone who cares to improve this article to get it to DYK level... maybe even I'll do it one day if I find the time. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep due to the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion by Piotrus that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 19:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

John Moore (bluegrass musician)

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This article has no sources and no indication of notability. It was nominated for deletion nearly 20 years ago and has not been improved since it was created in 2005. The subject does not meet any of the guidelines listed in WP:NMUSIC nor WP:NBIO.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aneirinn ( talk • contribs) 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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  • Delete - It is important to note that the WP:NMUSICIAN requirements have gotten much tougher since 2006, when this article survived an AfD discussion pretty much because the gentleman was visible on the Internet. Meanwhile, the current version of the article could possibly be speedy deleted under WP:A7 because it makes no attempt to say how/if he is notable. At any rate, the gentleman is a perennial sideman and local performer who is surely good at what he does, but he has not received the in-depth media coverage that is necessary here, and is only visible in typical streaming and promotional services. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 14:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Byron Berline: I searched but could not find in-depth coverage about Moore. It's not an easy search because of his name and he's played at many bluegrass festivals so a lot hot hits to wade through but I did add a couple sources at least for verification. He was in Berline's band California which won International Bluegrass Music Association Instrumental Group of the Year three years in a row and Moore is mentioned in article. He also taught mandolin to Nickel Creek's Chris Thile and Sean Watkins which might qualify for WP:NMUSICOTHER #3 or #5 but I think that's a weak claim. S0091 ( talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - I voted to delete above, but if this keeps getting relisted with no further progress then we will probably end up with a pointless "no consensus". Therefore I would support the Redirect suggestion above if nobody else votes. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 12:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. S0091 has made a valiant effort but I don't think this is a good redirect. If you searched for John Moore and were redirected to this article, I think you'd feel more confused than informed. (Sorry, Doomsdayer520, but I think even "no consensus" would be better than this confusing redirect.) -- asilvering ( talk) 03:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

La alta escuela

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I couldn't find sources to show they meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 08:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak Keep - I have found 4 citations and added to the article, including one from Vice. The reliability of VICE is questionable per WP:RSP, however, I believe that would not apply to entertainment and music articles. In addition, the band may meet criteria #7 of WP:MUSICBIO, which says "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city." RolandSimon ( talk) 03:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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A-Plus (rapper)

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Just because we have several articles about music produced by him does not make him notable, I find that he is not notable as a musician or a producer. Nagol0929 ( talk) 15:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: I haven't looked closely yet as to whether his article deserves to stay, but it seems to me a redirect to Souls of Mischief might be a better option than outright deletion... yes, I know he is part of Hieroglyphics (group) as well and therefore WP:XY may be considered here, but Hieroglyphics is all of Souls of Michief plus four other people, so he's still a part of Hieroglyphics as a member of Souls of Mischief. Richard3120 ( talk) 16:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: He clearly passes WP:NMUSIC#C6 if he's part of two notable production groups. That doesn't mean we have to have a standalone article on him, just noting a discrepancy in the nom statement. Mach61 20:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep or merge to Souls of Mischief as he does have some individual reliable sources coverage such as an AllMusic staff bio here and a review of one of his 3 solo albums here, Atlantic306 ( talk) 21:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete Other than the 2 sources provided by above editor, there are not enough reliable coverage and 2 of the sources are interviews. Bradelykooper ( talk) 08:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect. None of the sources appear to be reliable, but a search of his name would go to the band's article, a compromise that we do sometimes. Bearian ( talk) 14:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Bearian: AllMusic is a reliable source as per [ [27]] and the bio and album review are not interviews as someone else claimed, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Atlantic306: the only problem is that AllMusic isn’t being used as a reference and all 3 of the references are interviews. Of those only 1 is about A-Plus. Nagol0929 ( talk) 03:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Have added the AllMusic sources as references, Atlantic306 ( talk) 14:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep There's a ton of sourcing (yes, from reliable sources) available on this guy in Google News and Books searches, over a period of decades. It's true that most of them are brief mentions, but with all of the info available, surely the article could be built out and sourced better than it is now. I had to get a little creative in looking for sources since "A plus" is such a generic term, but combining his name with "Hieroglyphics" or "Souls of Mischief" yields many good results. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 19:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Fred Zepelin may you link said results? Mach61 01:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Semzi

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Fails WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER. Sources are either passing mentions, interviews, PRs, or not even mentioning the subject. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 11:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep: I'm almost certain the award nominations are notable, but we still need better sourcing for more biographical information. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    More research would be done to support article with more sourcing for biographical information. The subject is quite a notable individual with just probably limited press publications ReoMartins ( talk) 18:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ ReoMartins Well, now you’re taking. As far as I know, there are a lot of notable people in real life who can’t a Wikipedia entry because they don’t meet the necessary Wikipedia notability criteria. Wikipedia’s notability is not exactly real world notability. The current status of this article doesn’t meet up, not that they’re not notable or influential in real life. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 19:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. The subject does not meet any criteria outlined in WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. None of the sources cited in the article actually discuss the subject. His nominations at the Beatz Awards aren't enough to justify a stand-alone article.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 15:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep: I agree with Oaktree B that this is a weak keep due to the award nominations. His other sources are weak. Maxcreator ( talk) 03:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Draftify: and mark as promised. Majority of the sources in the article doesn't meet SIGCOV and while the awards merits notability: it's still not much for a standalone entry on Wikipedia. I will remove some sources that didn't add to notability. For my vote (if draftified) can be marked as "promising", since there is a partial way to notability in the future! Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 20:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/02/bad-boy-timz-is-one-of-nigerias-best-singers-ive-worked-with-semzi/amp/ Yes Was talking about the subject Yes Vanguard is reliable per WP:NGRS ~ Much like an about music interview ~ Partial
https://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/weekend-beats/producing-songs-for-davido-mayorkun-the-highlight-of-my-career-so-far-semzi/ Yes Ditto Yes Guardian Nigeria is reliable per WP:NGRS No Normally, Weekend Beats sounds like PR ✘ No
https://the49thstreet.com/49th-exclusive-semzi/ Yes Above No Blog sites No Interview and blog post ✘ No
https://pan-african-music.com/en/nigerian-producers-2022/ ~ A list that mentions articles, more of featuring, no PR here ~ See editorial No List ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/review-dj-consequence-vibes-from-the-future/jhle44r No No mention Yes Per WP:NGRS No No mention ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timzs-mj/ No No mention Yes Ditto No No mention ✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/11/nicki-minaj-nas-ifeanyi-adeleke-feature-on-davidos-a-better-time-album/ No No metion Yes Per above No No mention of the subject ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/mayorkun-features-victony-on-holy-father/jbrp0lg No Ditto Yes See above No No mention ✘ No
https://www.okayafrica.com/joeboy-drops-new-music-album/ No No mention Yes Okay Africa is reliable No Applied same as above ✘ No
https://www.morebranches.com/omah-lay-couples-with-more-emotions-on-the-deluxe-version-of-boy-alone/ No No mention No Not a reliable source, blog or PR No Same as above ✘ No
https://guardian.ng/life/listen-ajebo-hustlers-featuring-fave-in-love/ No Mention! Yes Why not? No More like PR—get away magazine mention; just mention ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/bad-boy-timz-serves-new-visuals-for-faya-from-empires-where-we-come-from-vol-1-compilation-album/ No Passing mention Yes Per WP:NGRS No Inherent mention ✘ No
https://www.max1023.fm/boy-spyce-releases-new-single-relationship/ No Les or no mention Yes Max FM is a Lagos based television channel No Inherent notability only on Boy Source ✘ No
https://culturecustodian.com/no-bad-boy-no-party-highlights-significant-moments-in-bad-boy-timzs-journey/ No Passing mention Yes Culture custodian is a reliable source No Still on production. Inherent notability ✘ No
https://soundcity.tv/afropop-sensation-bad-boy-timz-unveils-debut-album-no-bad-boy-no-party/ No Focuses on Bad Boy Time, a Nigerian artist Yes Sound City TV is a Nigerian television music channel No Focus lacking on the subject ✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/music/victony-features-14-artists-on-new-song-ohema/8988dbp No Passing mention Yes Like above No Doesn't meet notability ✘ No
https://randr.ng/nominations-list-the-beatz-award-2021/ No List No Rhythm and Rhyme is a blog site No List ✘ No
https://thebeatzawards.com/winners-perfecto/ ~ List Yes For the award but not for other citations No Being nominated doesn't mean notability. Per WP:ENT, the subject must have been nominated multiple times of a major award ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.
  • Delete: After analysis of the source above, I was convinced of the many "passing mentions", "no mention" and more generated in citing sources relating to PR. Nothing to draftify again. It doesn't meet WP:THREE for sources, WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCER. Each of the sources either mention, or not at all, or about a music one of an artist he had worked for previously. Delete is the "best" alternative. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 13:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
In one of the discussions and sources, it submits an evidence about this act who just recently co-produced a track that has over ten credible and notable artistes from Sub-Sahara Africa featured. These artistes have their wiki pages, I believe the professional who takes up the task to fuse these different acts into a single musical project is worthy of an article on Wikipedia as well. ReoMartins ( talk) 13:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ ReoMartins It is imperative for you to know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason for you to think an article should be kept. You should also importantly see WP:INHERITED. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Liz, there is already a consensus here if by analysis of the arguments above. Isn't see the reason for relisting. Most importantly, the keep isn't strong enough or showed how the article meets inclusion. The source table can also be reviewed to see blatant addition of sources that doesn't mention the article. (Just a 'simpler' suggestion. ) —  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 09:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ SafariScribe Hehe, if I was an administrator, I would have relisted this discussion too, so don't worry, Liz made the right decision. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 14:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Vanderwaalforces, Sure. It's just that Liz doesn't take time analysing such deletions. Welp, it's good getting clearer consensus. —  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 14:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Safari Scribe, well, that's quite an insult I didn't expect to see when I was reviewing open AFD discussions tonight. I'll just leave this one for another closer to handle since you are unsatisfied with how I'm handling things. Again, this is a volunteer hobby, not a job and nothing obligates me to close or relist any AFD discussion but I try to use my best judgment. But I'll leave this one alone and someone else can eventually close it. Liz Read! Talk! 06:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Working with subjects that pass GNG is not enough to provide notability. While I see subject having some nominations, I fail to see WP:GNG or WP:NPRODUCER here by secondary sources. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 13:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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