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Hi, There is a new development about Draft:Muharrem Aslan article that you had rejected. A prestige independent magazine published a detailed bio (article) about the artist. Could you check the link belove please? https://www.mesam.org.tr/UserFiles/files/Dergi/34_Vizyon.pdf Page 46-47 user:Dreamboy3143 13:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Actually, I thought the Rejection was a bit harsh, although I 100% agree the person is not yet article-worthy. I have no intention of doing any more edits. David notMD ( talk) 21:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Ivanvector, @ Rosguill, pinging you here because it is a quieter place. Should the comments by DIVINE on Usertobecool's talk page, at least in part, be removed or OS'd? S0091 ( talk) 18:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Usedtobecool I just so happened to be going through some my old AfC accepts/declines the other week and came across Draft:Prakash Neupane and wondered if I had gotten it wrong so started digging. The more I dug the more it all did not make sense. Had it not been for that, I probably would not have taken much notice of your AN filing. You've done some great extensive work investigating all this. Sorry for all the stress it has caused you and the threats you have suffered. If you quit, I understand but hope you don't. Did you notice the COI notices Divine left for various users before they flamed out? Interesting. S0091 ( talk) 15:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Best, -- Blablubbs ( talk) 16:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you recently moved this article back to draft space due to the person accepting it in AfC being CU blocked. What should I do with this draft now? Do I need to resubmit it to AfC? Relatedly, I'm also curious if you can answer two questions. First, is it common practice for WP:DRAFTIFY to be used when a user is blocked? Secondly, can you give some thoughts as to why this is the only draft that was affected? Thanks, Mokadoshi ( talk) 22:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
Thank you for reviewing the draft of Valiant TMS. After careful examination of our draft and research on other companies whose Wikipedia entry was published, we have a few questions regarding your comment.
1. "Press releases and anything emanating from the company are primary sources and blogs are generally not reliable sources".
We found multiple press releases and blogs that were listed as references in a few companies' Wikipedia pages, please see the list below. If these sources were accepted for these companies, why did we get declined for using the same type of references?
- ATS Automation Tooling Systems: Reference #13 is a press release ("ATS To Acquire Biomedical Research & Life Sciences Water Purification Equipment Provider Avidity Science". www.newswire.ca. Retrieved 2023-09-22.)
- ATS Automation Tooling Systems: Reference #2 is a press release ("ATS Reports Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2020 Results".)
- ATS Automation Tooling Systems: Reference #5 is a blog which is no longer accessible ("ATS founder Klaus Woerner passes away | ATS Automation". www.atsautomation.com. Retrieved 2018-11-09.)
- Nuro: Reference #21 is a press release ("Uber and Nuro Announce 10-Year Partnership for Autonomous Food Deliveries Starting in California and Texas". PR Newswire. San Francisco. PRNewswire. September 8, 2022. Retrieved September 9, 2022.)
- Starship Technologies: Reference #3 is the company's own article. ("About Us". Starship Technologies. 2016. Retrieved 30 August 2016.)
- Starship Technologies: Reference #24 is a blog/press release published on the company's website ("World record: Starship hits 2 million autonomous deliveries". Starship. Retrieved 29 December 2021.)
- Starship Technologies: Reference #27 is a blog (Zura, Reid (3 April 2023). "Starship Technologies Sets Another World Record with 10 Million Kilometers Driven". Starship Technologies. Retrieved 14 June 2023.)
- Starship Technologies: Reference #43 is a blog/press release published on the company's website ("Starship Technologies Appoints New CEO". Starship. 1 June 2021. Retrieved 29 December 2021.)
2. "Trade publications are at best weak sources because they generally exists to promote an industry."
We do not agree with this statement as trade publications can be in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent of the subject, meaning they meet all requirements of a Wikipedia article. Additionally, if a company is private with limited exposure to public media sources, like ours, it is hard to have third-party references that are considered reliable by Wikipedia. We found these trade publications in the reference list of some companies with a published Wikipedia page.
- ATS Automation Tooling Systems: Reference #12 is from Manufacturing Automation, a manufacturing magazine.
- Nuro: References #1, #2, and #28 are from The Verge, an American technology news website. Also, references #10, #12, #16, #19, #20, and #23 are from TechCrunch, an online newspaper focusing on tech startups.
- Starship Technologies: Reference #1 is from TechCrunch, and #33 is from The Verge.
3. "Other sources are routine announcements/coverage so considered trivial."
Could you please point out which sources we listed were routine announcements? The sources we included in our references covered important events and milestones in our company, such as an acquisition (References #6, #11, #12, #13) or an opening of a new location (#9 and #10). These are hardly trivial.
4. "Much of the content is unsourced and this is written in a promotional manner."
Again, as a private company, we do not have a lot of coverage by public newspapers/magazines. We included information from our website in our previous draft but got declined, so we had to remove those sources. We would like to know why other companies were able to list their own blogs and "About Us" page as references, but we couldn't.
We also do not agree that our draft was written in a promotional manner, as we did not use words or terms that were overly promotional or sound like an advertisement. If you could point out which parts in our draft have this issue, we would be happy to edit it.
AliceMaiAnh ( talk) 21:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
This draft? I have read it and re-read it and I'm still perplexed. Is it me or is it incomprehensible? JSFarman ( talk) 21:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
an experiential learning tool used in the development of cultural competence, obviously.
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Hi i am editing here as good faith, If you think This page does not meet Notability Guidelines, please take it to afd. For now i have removed notability and advert tags. For me it passes WP:NCORP. 2409:40D0:12:C94F:A4:7547:ACCF:1B93 ( talk) 13:30, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
I understand the reason for your revert at the AFC reviewer instructions—normally I would have done the same thing for a change to instructions and requested consensus first—but this is not subject to consensus (well, the wording is, of course; feel free to change it or discuss it) but the Wikimedia licensing requirements we all agree to with every save trump everything else including policy and consensus. I don't object to changing the wording around as long as the basic requirement is explained. The reason for the new paragraph is that submissions are being accepted by AFC reviewers that are violations of our Terms of Use, and that simply cannot continue. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 19:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, There is a new development about Draft:Muharrem Aslan article that you had rejected. A prestige independent magazine published a detailed bio (article) about the artist. Could you check the link belove please? https://www.mesam.org.tr/UserFiles/files/Dergi/34_Vizyon.pdf Page 46-47 user:Dreamboy3143 13:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Actually, I thought the Rejection was a bit harsh, although I 100% agree the person is not yet article-worthy. I have no intention of doing any more edits. David notMD ( talk) 21:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Ivanvector, @ Rosguill, pinging you here because it is a quieter place. Should the comments by DIVINE on Usertobecool's talk page, at least in part, be removed or OS'd? S0091 ( talk) 18:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Usedtobecool I just so happened to be going through some my old AfC accepts/declines the other week and came across Draft:Prakash Neupane and wondered if I had gotten it wrong so started digging. The more I dug the more it all did not make sense. Had it not been for that, I probably would not have taken much notice of your AN filing. You've done some great extensive work investigating all this. Sorry for all the stress it has caused you and the threats you have suffered. If you quit, I understand but hope you don't. Did you notice the COI notices Divine left for various users before they flamed out? Interesting. S0091 ( talk) 15:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Best, -- Blablubbs ( talk) 16:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you recently moved this article back to draft space due to the person accepting it in AfC being CU blocked. What should I do with this draft now? Do I need to resubmit it to AfC? Relatedly, I'm also curious if you can answer two questions. First, is it common practice for WP:DRAFTIFY to be used when a user is blocked? Secondly, can you give some thoughts as to why this is the only draft that was affected? Thanks, Mokadoshi ( talk) 22:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
Thank you for reviewing the draft of Valiant TMS. After careful examination of our draft and research on other companies whose Wikipedia entry was published, we have a few questions regarding your comment.
1. "Press releases and anything emanating from the company are primary sources and blogs are generally not reliable sources".
We found multiple press releases and blogs that were listed as references in a few companies' Wikipedia pages, please see the list below. If these sources were accepted for these companies, why did we get declined for using the same type of references?
- ATS Automation Tooling Systems: Reference #13 is a press release ("ATS To Acquire Biomedical Research & Life Sciences Water Purification Equipment Provider Avidity Science". www.newswire.ca. Retrieved 2023-09-22.)
- ATS Automation Tooling Systems: Reference #2 is a press release ("ATS Reports Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2020 Results".)
- ATS Automation Tooling Systems: Reference #5 is a blog which is no longer accessible ("ATS founder Klaus Woerner passes away | ATS Automation". www.atsautomation.com. Retrieved 2018-11-09.)
- Nuro: Reference #21 is a press release ("Uber and Nuro Announce 10-Year Partnership for Autonomous Food Deliveries Starting in California and Texas". PR Newswire. San Francisco. PRNewswire. September 8, 2022. Retrieved September 9, 2022.)
- Starship Technologies: Reference #3 is the company's own article. ("About Us". Starship Technologies. 2016. Retrieved 30 August 2016.)
- Starship Technologies: Reference #24 is a blog/press release published on the company's website ("World record: Starship hits 2 million autonomous deliveries". Starship. Retrieved 29 December 2021.)
- Starship Technologies: Reference #27 is a blog (Zura, Reid (3 April 2023). "Starship Technologies Sets Another World Record with 10 Million Kilometers Driven". Starship Technologies. Retrieved 14 June 2023.)
- Starship Technologies: Reference #43 is a blog/press release published on the company's website ("Starship Technologies Appoints New CEO". Starship. 1 June 2021. Retrieved 29 December 2021.)
2. "Trade publications are at best weak sources because they generally exists to promote an industry."
We do not agree with this statement as trade publications can be in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent of the subject, meaning they meet all requirements of a Wikipedia article. Additionally, if a company is private with limited exposure to public media sources, like ours, it is hard to have third-party references that are considered reliable by Wikipedia. We found these trade publications in the reference list of some companies with a published Wikipedia page.
- ATS Automation Tooling Systems: Reference #12 is from Manufacturing Automation, a manufacturing magazine.
- Nuro: References #1, #2, and #28 are from The Verge, an American technology news website. Also, references #10, #12, #16, #19, #20, and #23 are from TechCrunch, an online newspaper focusing on tech startups.
- Starship Technologies: Reference #1 is from TechCrunch, and #33 is from The Verge.
3. "Other sources are routine announcements/coverage so considered trivial."
Could you please point out which sources we listed were routine announcements? The sources we included in our references covered important events and milestones in our company, such as an acquisition (References #6, #11, #12, #13) or an opening of a new location (#9 and #10). These are hardly trivial.
4. "Much of the content is unsourced and this is written in a promotional manner."
Again, as a private company, we do not have a lot of coverage by public newspapers/magazines. We included information from our website in our previous draft but got declined, so we had to remove those sources. We would like to know why other companies were able to list their own blogs and "About Us" page as references, but we couldn't.
We also do not agree that our draft was written in a promotional manner, as we did not use words or terms that were overly promotional or sound like an advertisement. If you could point out which parts in our draft have this issue, we would be happy to edit it.
AliceMaiAnh ( talk) 21:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
This draft? I have read it and re-read it and I'm still perplexed. Is it me or is it incomprehensible? JSFarman ( talk) 21:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
an experiential learning tool used in the development of cultural competence, obviously.
The Wikipedia Library: Books & Bytes
Issue 62, March – April 2024
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --11:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi i am editing here as good faith, If you think This page does not meet Notability Guidelines, please take it to afd. For now i have removed notability and advert tags. For me it passes WP:NCORP. 2409:40D0:12:C94F:A4:7547:ACCF:1B93 ( talk) 13:30, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
I understand the reason for your revert at the AFC reviewer instructions—normally I would have done the same thing for a change to instructions and requested consensus first—but this is not subject to consensus (well, the wording is, of course; feel free to change it or discuss it) but the Wikimedia licensing requirements we all agree to with every save trump everything else including policy and consensus. I don't object to changing the wording around as long as the basic requirement is explained. The reason for the new paragraph is that submissions are being accepted by AFC reviewers that are violations of our Terms of Use, and that simply cannot continue. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 19:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)