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What are the unreliable sources? Is it the Michael King text? I was told by another editor that some of my sources were told old (before 1990). I sited a Michael King text that's edition in either 2000 or 2004. The original version of this the text I think may have been written in the 1980s. I don't know if there are other sources out there I can use on this topic. I51iM ( talk) 05:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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I51iM, can you provide the sources of the article so it can be analysed? And who is the editor who said the sources are too old?
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 09:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm really not sure I can do that. There's only so many resources out that delve into the Moriori slavery. The editor who said this was Stuartyeates. He said the views of Moriori have changed since 1990.
I51iM (
talk) 05:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- If the article is not applicable for Wikipedia I understand.
I51iM (
talk) 00:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I51iM, I will review the draft soon. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 15:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- If the article is not applicable for Wikipedia I understand.
I51iM (
talk) 00:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm really not sure I can do that. There's only so many resources out that delve into the Moriori slavery. The editor who said this was Stuartyeates. He said the views of Moriori have changed since 1990.
I51iM (
talk) 05:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did some analysing and found that all sources cited were after 1990 and what
Stuartyeates said was
The consensus view of the Moriori has changed a great deal since ~1990. Some of these older sources no longer reflect the consensus view.
So what they said implied that the old sources they referred to are different to modern sources in terms of consensus view, and may need further clarification. The Michael Kings source from 2000 is modern. But IMO, I do not see unreliable sources, but suggesting you stick to either old or modern sources, I51iM. Mixing them might give it some sort of undue weight in the consensus view. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 19:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)- Okay of the two sources I was thinking of. Only one is usable. So I just added it. I hope this article is now ready for Wikipedia.
I51iM (
talk) 21:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also make sure to check all statements being sourced. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 21:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay of the two sources I was thinking of. Only one is usable. So I just added it. I hope this article is now ready for Wikipedia.
I51iM (
talk) 21:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello and I hope this message meets you well. If you're not too busy, help review this article Dave 'Heavy D' Sparks. Cheers. Wallclockticking ( talk) 10:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Wallclockticking, I will review it soon, but since I am having the upcoming final year exams, I may not have time to review it.Already reviewed by another reviewer. Appears to be too late. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 15:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)- Ok. Best of luck on your exams. Wallclockticking ( talk) 12:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Hey there, hope you're doing great. Recently my articles Wonderland (Pakistani TV series) was submitted through WP:Article for creation and was published but now, there are done tags added to it and content is being removed from there. What should I do? Appreciate your cooperation in this matter. 182.182.3.200 ( talk) 22:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi ip! The reviewer thinks that it may not meet the notability guidelines. As an advice, go online and find any source that passes
the general notability guideline, it should be
reliable (so no blogs, social media),
independent (so no interviews) and addresses the subject
in detail (so no listings, brief mentions). Can you clarify by
content is being removed from there
? Who has removed it and placed the tag? The best way is to see the article history. Hope that helps! Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 10:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
A quick look at my talk page will tell you the main issues I've been having. Thank you and have a nice day. Me Da Wikipedian ( talk) 16:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I will accept this, though I will be busy throughout the week (see note above). I will draft the lessons and so please follow up on your talk page as I will post your CVUA subpage there. Thanks for choosing me!
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 16:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you@
ToadetteEdit. How does the whole lessons/training thing work
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 16:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
-
Me Da Wikipedian, this is how it will work (subject to change):
- The training will consist of several lessons with questions to see how you understand the policies, especially WP:VAND. It covers processes from reverting vandalism to detecting usernames that are against the policy to tagging pages for speedy deletion to requesting page protection.
- It is better for you to start patrolling the recent changes, because in the lesson, you will be asked to provide your reverts for evaluation. You will also need to provide WP:AIV, WP:UAA and WP:RFPP reports to also be evaluated.
- Note that these lessons will be at stages that will be unlocked after a period has passed and evaluation is complete.
- In the end, you will be given a general test to evaluate your skills. It may take up to a week for evaluation.
- Take this to mind that this will take ~1 month to complete, and ideally you should be active during the period, or your course would be canceled. Any questions can be forwarded down here.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 18:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have contributed a lot in recent changes patrol, and I have requested like 40 protections at RFPP, and porbably reported 10 or so vandals at WP:AIV. WP:UAA I've only used once, though. And I already have like 250 reverts if you want to look at those, and a talk page full of what I've done wrong
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 19:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just wait until I prepare for you the course.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 21:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I'm waiting...tell me when you're ready. Might not be too active for next 3 or so days but...seems like you won't be either Me Da Wikipedian ( talk) 21:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are you ready yet...It's been 5 days.
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 10:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Very soon.
Toadette
Edit! 10:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 10:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is now prepared
here.
Toadette
Edit! 10:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I see. Can we start? Me Da Wikipedian ( talk) 10:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is now prepared
here.
Toadette
Edit! 10:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 10:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Very soon.
Toadette
Edit! 10:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just wait until I prepare for you the course.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 21:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have contributed a lot in recent changes patrol, and I have requested like 40 protections at RFPP, and porbably reported 10 or so vandals at WP:AIV. WP:UAA I've only used once, though. And I already have like 250 reverts if you want to look at those, and a talk page full of what I've done wrong
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 19:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
-
Me Da Wikipedian, this is how it will work (subject to change):
- Thank you@
ToadetteEdit. How does the whole lessons/training thing work
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 16:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
Thanks for reviewing my draft of this this article. I re-did the reference you mentioned and linked directly to the PDF with page numbers for reference. If possible, would you mind re-reviewing the article?
Thank you! Karloor ( talk) 16:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I will review it soon,
Karloor. Lists are quick and easy to review by the way, so guessing that it has been already accepted. Thanks for the heads up.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Done,
Karloor.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 18:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Appreciate it, thank you!
Karloor (
talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 19:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Appreciate it, thank you!
Karloor (
talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Toadette! Thank you for closing Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 1#Category:Indoor ice hockey venues. Two things: one, WT:CFDW is organized by the date the discussion is closed, not the date the discussion is opened.
Two, you closed it as rename, but the target categories all already exist: "merge" is the correct term for what is happening. Would you be willing to amend your close? Best, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
-
HouseBlaster, I doubt that
Pppery has removed it explaining that it was removed since it was malformed, and encouraged to use Qwerfjkl's tool which doesn't work in my browser. I understood that I should apprend requests rather than prepending old discussions. As what I can know that it stated "Propose renaming" but wasn't unaware that it needs merging. Thanks for the heads up.
Toadette
Edit! 09:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- The discussion proposed renaming, but I believe there was consensus for merging. There is no rule at CfD that says people must support the proposal. Rename nominations can end with delete outcomes, delete nominations can end with renaming the category, and—as relevant here—rename proposals can end with merge outcomes. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 11:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi @ ToadetteEdit! I saw that you declined my article Draft:Joint Commission of the Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches because it's not adequately supported by reliable sources.
Could you please point out what the issue is here more clearly? Is it that the sources cited are not reliable enough, or is it that there are not enough sources?
I am new to Wikipedia, so I'd like to learn how to conform to the guidelines about reliable sources. Havoc219 ( talk) 14:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi
Havoc219! I have decline it specifically because some statements are unsourced and may be challenged if it was moved to the
mainspace. I recommend finding the sources that
verify the facts made, or reuse citations given that the used sources supports the statement in question, or remove it entirely if a source couldn't be found. Hope that helps!
Toadette
Edit! 16:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @ ToadetteEdit! I have updated the draft so that all quotes now have a citation. I have also added two additional sources (one to back up the statement that Saint Cyril is seen as a bridge between Chalcedonian and non-Chalcedonian Christianity, and one to explain what the Antiochene position on these issues was), plus some additional Wikipedia hyperlinks. My intention with writing this article is not to advocate for or against any particular side; I am simply interested in having a Wikipedia article on this important historical event (the formation of and statements by the Joint Commission). One can find a lot of information about it scattered across books, articles, and web pages, and I hope that this article can be a starting point for others who are interested in the history of Christological debates.
- Does this address your concerns? Havoc219 ( talk) 19:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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What are the unreliable sources? Is it the Michael King text? I was told by another editor that some of my sources were told old (before 1990). I sited a Michael King text that's edition in either 2000 or 2004. The original version of this the text I think may have been written in the 1980s. I don't know if there are other sources out there I can use on this topic. I51iM ( talk) 05:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
-
I51iM, can you provide the sources of the article so it can be analysed? And who is the editor who said the sources are too old?
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 09:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm really not sure I can do that. There's only so many resources out that delve into the Moriori slavery. The editor who said this was Stuartyeates. He said the views of Moriori have changed since 1990.
I51iM (
talk) 05:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- If the article is not applicable for Wikipedia I understand.
I51iM (
talk) 00:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I51iM, I will review the draft soon. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 15:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- If the article is not applicable for Wikipedia I understand.
I51iM (
talk) 00:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm really not sure I can do that. There's only so many resources out that delve into the Moriori slavery. The editor who said this was Stuartyeates. He said the views of Moriori have changed since 1990.
I51iM (
talk) 05:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did some analysing and found that all sources cited were after 1990 and what
Stuartyeates said was
The consensus view of the Moriori has changed a great deal since ~1990. Some of these older sources no longer reflect the consensus view.
So what they said implied that the old sources they referred to are different to modern sources in terms of consensus view, and may need further clarification. The Michael Kings source from 2000 is modern. But IMO, I do not see unreliable sources, but suggesting you stick to either old or modern sources, I51iM. Mixing them might give it some sort of undue weight in the consensus view. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 19:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)- Okay of the two sources I was thinking of. Only one is usable. So I just added it. I hope this article is now ready for Wikipedia.
I51iM (
talk) 21:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also make sure to check all statements being sourced. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 21:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay of the two sources I was thinking of. Only one is usable. So I just added it. I hope this article is now ready for Wikipedia.
I51iM (
talk) 21:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello and I hope this message meets you well. If you're not too busy, help review this article Dave 'Heavy D' Sparks. Cheers. Wallclockticking ( talk) 10:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Wallclockticking, I will review it soon, but since I am having the upcoming final year exams, I may not have time to review it.Already reviewed by another reviewer. Appears to be too late. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 15:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)- Ok. Best of luck on your exams. Wallclockticking ( talk) 12:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Hey there, hope you're doing great. Recently my articles Wonderland (Pakistani TV series) was submitted through WP:Article for creation and was published but now, there are done tags added to it and content is being removed from there. What should I do? Appreciate your cooperation in this matter. 182.182.3.200 ( talk) 22:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi ip! The reviewer thinks that it may not meet the notability guidelines. As an advice, go online and find any source that passes
the general notability guideline, it should be
reliable (so no blogs, social media),
independent (so no interviews) and addresses the subject
in detail (so no listings, brief mentions). Can you clarify by
content is being removed from there
? Who has removed it and placed the tag? The best way is to see the article history. Hope that helps! Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 10:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
A quick look at my talk page will tell you the main issues I've been having. Thank you and have a nice day. Me Da Wikipedian ( talk) 16:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I will accept this, though I will be busy throughout the week (see note above). I will draft the lessons and so please follow up on your talk page as I will post your CVUA subpage there. Thanks for choosing me!
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 16:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you@
ToadetteEdit. How does the whole lessons/training thing work
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 16:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
-
Me Da Wikipedian, this is how it will work (subject to change):
- The training will consist of several lessons with questions to see how you understand the policies, especially WP:VAND. It covers processes from reverting vandalism to detecting usernames that are against the policy to tagging pages for speedy deletion to requesting page protection.
- It is better for you to start patrolling the recent changes, because in the lesson, you will be asked to provide your reverts for evaluation. You will also need to provide WP:AIV, WP:UAA and WP:RFPP reports to also be evaluated.
- Note that these lessons will be at stages that will be unlocked after a period has passed and evaluation is complete.
- In the end, you will be given a general test to evaluate your skills. It may take up to a week for evaluation.
- Take this to mind that this will take ~1 month to complete, and ideally you should be active during the period, or your course would be canceled. Any questions can be forwarded down here.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 18:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have contributed a lot in recent changes patrol, and I have requested like 40 protections at RFPP, and porbably reported 10 or so vandals at WP:AIV. WP:UAA I've only used once, though. And I already have like 250 reverts if you want to look at those, and a talk page full of what I've done wrong
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 19:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just wait until I prepare for you the course.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 21:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I'm waiting...tell me when you're ready. Might not be too active for next 3 or so days but...seems like you won't be either Me Da Wikipedian ( talk) 21:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are you ready yet...It's been 5 days.
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 10:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Very soon.
Toadette
Edit! 10:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 10:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is now prepared
here.
Toadette
Edit! 10:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I see. Can we start? Me Da Wikipedian ( talk) 10:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is now prepared
here.
Toadette
Edit! 10:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 10:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Very soon.
Toadette
Edit! 10:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just wait until I prepare for you the course.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 21:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have contributed a lot in recent changes patrol, and I have requested like 40 protections at RFPP, and porbably reported 10 or so vandals at WP:AIV. WP:UAA I've only used once, though. And I already have like 250 reverts if you want to look at those, and a talk page full of what I've done wrong
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 19:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
-
Me Da Wikipedian, this is how it will work (subject to change):
- Thank you@
ToadetteEdit. How does the whole lessons/training thing work
Me Da Wikipedian (
talk) 16:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
Thanks for reviewing my draft of this this article. I re-did the reference you mentioned and linked directly to the PDF with page numbers for reference. If possible, would you mind re-reviewing the article?
Thank you! Karloor ( talk) 16:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I will review it soon,
Karloor. Lists are quick and easy to review by the way, so guessing that it has been already accepted. Thanks for the heads up.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done,
Karloor.
Toadette (
Let's talk together!) 18:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Appreciate it, thank you!
Karloor (
talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Toadette ( Let's talk together!) 19:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Appreciate it, thank you!
Karloor (
talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Toadette! Thank you for closing Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 1#Category:Indoor ice hockey venues. Two things: one, WT:CFDW is organized by the date the discussion is closed, not the date the discussion is opened.
Two, you closed it as rename, but the target categories all already exist: "merge" is the correct term for what is happening. Would you be willing to amend your close? Best, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 23:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
-
HouseBlaster, I doubt that
Pppery has removed it explaining that it was removed since it was malformed, and encouraged to use Qwerfjkl's tool which doesn't work in my browser. I understood that I should apprend requests rather than prepending old discussions. As what I can know that it stated "Propose renaming" but wasn't unaware that it needs merging. Thanks for the heads up.
Toadette
Edit! 09:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- The discussion proposed renaming, but I believe there was consensus for merging. There is no rule at CfD that says people must support the proposal. Rename nominations can end with delete outcomes, delete nominations can end with renaming the category, and—as relevant here—rename proposals can end with merge outcomes. House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 11:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- In the media: Censorship and wikiwashing looming over RuWiki, edit wars over San Francisco politics and another wikirace on live TV
- News and notes: A sigh of relief for open access as Italy makes a slight U-turn on their cultural heritage reproduction law
- WikiConference report: WikiConference North America 2023 in Toronto recap
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Newspapers (Not WP:NOTNEWS)
- Recent research: New survey of over 100,000 Wikipedia users
- Traffic report: O.J., cricket and a three body problem
Hi @ ToadetteEdit! I saw that you declined my article Draft:Joint Commission of the Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches because it's not adequately supported by reliable sources.
Could you please point out what the issue is here more clearly? Is it that the sources cited are not reliable enough, or is it that there are not enough sources?
I am new to Wikipedia, so I'd like to learn how to conform to the guidelines about reliable sources. Havoc219 ( talk) 14:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi
Havoc219! I have decline it specifically because some statements are unsourced and may be challenged if it was moved to the
mainspace. I recommend finding the sources that
verify the facts made, or reuse citations given that the used sources supports the statement in question, or remove it entirely if a source couldn't be found. Hope that helps!
Toadette
Edit! 16:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @ ToadetteEdit! I have updated the draft so that all quotes now have a citation. I have also added two additional sources (one to back up the statement that Saint Cyril is seen as a bridge between Chalcedonian and non-Chalcedonian Christianity, and one to explain what the Antiochene position on these issues was), plus some additional Wikipedia hyperlinks. My intention with writing this article is not to advocate for or against any particular side; I am simply interested in having a Wikipedia article on this important historical event (the formation of and statements by the Joint Commission). One can find a lot of information about it scattered across books, articles, and web pages, and I hope that this article can be a starting point for others who are interested in the history of Christological debates.
- Does this address your concerns? Havoc219 ( talk) 19:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)