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Bob Pool
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Does not pass WP:NJOURNALIST. LA Times sources are not WP:Independent, and thus I do not see them as justifying notability. Couldn't find any independent coverage of him. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 19:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. No non-independent sources turn up in WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 20:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant)
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Redirect to List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden, or Delete. Case of WP:BLP1E that was previously deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (2nd nomination), but it was recreated. Referencing is very poor (there are no quality RS that cover the subject in any SIGOV outside of being in lists of famous winners). I tagged the article a year ago and suggested it should be redirected as IPs were constantly adding badly referenced WP:PROMO material about his other business interests, but when I WP:BOLDLY redirected it a few days ago, having not had any response to my notices, User:Robert McClenon felt it was better to send to AfD. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Only seeing now that it was also at AfD a third time (that AfD wasn't logged on the Talk Page) where it was kept Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (3rd nomination). Having read the sourcing that was provided for the 3rd AfD, I think it was pretty weak, and a redirect, to his entry on List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden would be a better solution. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I've now restored the AfD tag from the article, since it was removed by Oompaloompa1971 for apparently no reason. CycloneYoris talk! 00:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources. The subject passes
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
SourcesPeople are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
- McNear, Claire (2020).
Answers in the Form of Questions: A Definitive History and Insider's Guide to Jeopardy!. New York:
Twelve.
ISBN
978-1-5387-0232-1. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via
Google Books.
The book notes about Bruce Lou: "As a student, he’d done quiz bowl, the team trivia competition often found in scholastic settings, and won the National History Bee—a contest organized by David Madden, who was a nineteen-time Jeopardy! champion in 2005—and Lou found himself missing the competition."
The book notes: "As Watson entered crunch time, Jeopardy! granted IBM access to notable champions from years past, including nineteen-time winner David Madden, whose streak was second only to Ken Jennings’s at the time. Madden played two games against Watson.“"
The book notes: "A number of Jeopardy! alumni’s new chapters, perhaps unsurprisingly, have to do with trivia. David Madden was a twentythree-year-old grad student when he first played, and as he left the studio after his twentieth game with vouchers totaling more than $430,000, he wasn’t sure what he wanted to do. ... A quiz bowl alum, he ultimately used his winnings as seed money to found International Academic Competitions, which hosts, among other things, the annual National History Bee and Bowl."
The book notes: "David Madden, the nineteen-time champion, remembers auditioning in the Jeopardy! studio in May 2004. With him was a friend named Jeff Hoppes, who was called to be on the show just before Madden and ultimately became one of the final victims of Ken Jennings, coming in second in the seventieth game of Jennings's seventy-four-game winning streak. Hoppes, Madden says, first played quiz bowl in high school when he was a classmate of Rutter's, and then went on to marry eventual six-time Jeopardy! champion and Tournament of Champions runner-up Larissa Kelly. Madden, Rutter, and Kelly made up the winning team in the All-Star Games."
- Grant, Meghan (2019-03-04).
"'Jeopardy!' All-Star Games finals include Ridgewood native".
North Jersey Media Group. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "This Bergen County person is competing in the "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games this week. ... Who is former champion David Madden of Ridgewood? Among the former champs will be Madden, a member of Team Brad, one of the six trios of top players in the tournament. ... Back in 2005-2006, Madden won $432,400 in 19 rounds in a row — the third-longest winning streak in the game — earning a rank among "Jeopardy!" top players. ... Madden founded International Academic Competitions, running about a dozen contests in 30 countries, including the National History Bee and National Science Bee, hosting tens of thousands of students. Former players have gone on to "Jeopardy!" teen and college tournaments, and five staffers have won on the show."
- Grant, Meghan (2019-03-05).
"Ridgewood native David Madden and Team Brad win 'Jeopardy!' All-Star Games".
North Jersey Media Group. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "Ridgewood native David Madden and his partners on Team Brad won a decisive victory on "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games, and the $1 million prize. ... Madden earned a spot on the All-Star Games roster by winning 19 rounds in a row in 2005 and 2006, the third-longest winning streak in the show’s history. He was “drafted” by team leader Brad Rutter, along with Madden’s former Princeton classmate, Larissa Kelly. ... Madden used some of his first "Jeopardy!" winnings, a $432,400 pot, as start-up money, going on to found International Academic Competitions."
- Coutros, Evonnie (2005-09-23).
"Ridgewood grad strikes it rich on 'Jeopardy!'".
The Record. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via
Newspapers.com.
The article notes: "Former Ridgewood resident David Madden hit the jackpot this month, but it wasn't in the lottery. Madden, a 1999 graduate of Ridgewood High, had a 19-day winning streak on "Jeopardy!" and walked away from the game show with more than $430,000 in cash. Madden, 24, a graduate of Princeton University, lost to a 24-year-old self-employed musician from Decatur, Ga. The episode aired earlier this week. ... Madden, who now lives in Berlin, is studying for an advanced degree in international relations at Frei University."
- Daugherty, Haley (2023-02-17).
"Greater Latrobe Senior High School to host national quiz competition".
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "International Academic Competitions was started in 2010 by Jeopardy winner David Madden. He and his wife, Nolwenn Madden act as executive directors and they expanded the competition globally in 2012."
- Adams, Caralee J. (2013-07-01).
"Reviving History Instruction: What's Old Is New Again".
Education Week. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "With the goal of engaging students more deeply in history, David Madden, a “Jeopardy” champion and former high school and college quiz-bowl player, established the National History Bee & Bowl in 2010. Now in about 2,000 schools—elementary through high—individual Bee competitions and Bowl events are held throughout the country. Mr. Madden, 31, discovered there was plenty of demand."
- Ferguson, Mike (2014-02-08).
"'I'll take history for $1,000, Alex': Founder of history bowl attends Montana competition".
Billings Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "Montana high school history buffs can thank David Madden’s 19-day winning streak on the game show “Jeopardy!” nine years ago for the chance to show off their own knowledge Saturday at Skyview High School. Madden, 32, is founder and executive director of the National History Bee and Bowl, an individual and team competition with about 50,000 participants in more than 200 places around the country and overseas, too. About 60 students competed all day Saturday in the state championship held in Skyview’s theater. ... Madden, a graduate of Princeton University, founded the organization four years ago on his more than $400,000 in winnings on America’s most famous quiz show."
- Zarnowski, Tatiana (2011-02-28).
"Saratoga Springs competition will test knowledge of history".
The Daily Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2014-07-22. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "National History Bowl and Bee, a private, for-profit startup company, is based in Ridgewood, N.J., where owner David Madden is from. The company conducted a pilot competition there in May. In 2005, Madden reigned in a 20-game run on “Jeopardy!,” the second-longest ever after Ken Jennings, who had a 74-game winning streak."
- Strauss, Robert (2005-10-09).
"Worth Noting; I'll Take Quiz Kids For $600, Alex".
The New York Times. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "Mr. Madden was the captain of the Quiz Bowl team at Ridgewood High, and was on a similar freshman team at Princeton."
- Pakkala, Tiffany (2008-01-10).
"'Jeopardy' winner turns to hiking with a purpose".
Savannah Morning News. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: ""Jeopardy" fans remember him as the calculating young trivia expert who won 19 times on the game show and left with winnings more than $442,000, in part because he sought out the "Daily Double" early to maximize his cash. Now David Madden, 26, is crunching numbers for a different reason: He's hiking 3,000 miles to help raise money for a group that offers free and low-cost lodging to hospitalized soldiers and their families."
- Which of these refs is WP:SIGCOV on the subject in a major regional/national media outlet - none.
- No main regional or national American news outlet thinks he is notable enough to do a piece on him - if they don't think he is notable, why do we?
- Passing mentions, and mostly for the BLP1E, in small media outlets, is not the
General notability guideline. If that was the case we could get rid of BLP1E as a guideline as most cases have such coverage.
Aszx5000 (
talk) 08:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- The subject received significant coverage in 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2019, 2020, and 2023. A person who falls under
WP:BLP1E does not receive sustained significant coverage over 18 years for his activities.
He was a nineteen-time Jeopardy! champion in 2005. He founded the International Academic Competitions, which hosts the annual National History Bee and Bowl. He competed in and with his partners won the "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games in 2019. A person who has received significant coverage for multiple events does not fall under WP:BLP1E.
The subject is from New Jersey. The subject received significant coverage in a 2020 book published by Twelve. He received significant coverage in a 2014 article in Billings Gazette, the largest newspaper in Montana. He received significant coverage in a 2008 article in the Savannah Morning News, a regional newspaper that covers the Savannah metropolitan area and parts of South Carolina. He easily meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria.
Cunard ( talk) 08:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- But he hasn't received any significant coverage. If WP:GNG was "significant number of passing mentions in non-national/regional sources", then he would be a keep. But the requirement is for "significant coverage", and in quality sources (of which there is also none).
- I could create an AI to scan 3rd tier US media to find names briefly mentioned (many of which will have a BLP1E element), and I could create 1 million more Wikipedia BLPs in the morning, but I would probably be in ANI shortly after.
- No encyclopedia outside of Jeopardy! fan sites, will ever have an article on this subject. His entry on
List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden captures everything that is notable about his BLP1E.
Aszx5000 (
talk) 09:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sources such as Pakkala 2008, Ferguson 2014, Grant 2019a, and McClear 2020 are not passing mentions. Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Cunard ( talk) 10:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There is no requirement on WP:SIGCOV for sources to be "a major regional/national media outlet"; topics can be covered locally and still be notable. WP:NOTPAPER. — Ost ( talk) 21:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- The subject received significant coverage in 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2019, 2020, and 2023. A person who falls under
WP:BLP1E does not receive sustained significant coverage over 18 years for his activities.
- Keep sourcing identified by Cunard is lasting and diverse in its source markets. I think this is beyond BLP1E territory. Star Mississippi 02:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Frederick F. Cornell
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Fails WP:GNG. Book source seems to say about as much as an obituary would about each person described there. Flounder fillet ( talk) 20:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete -- a Newspapers.com search finds only passing mentions (generally as an officiant at a wedding or in ads for a school he assisted at.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, what there is are simply run of the mill mentions. TheLongTone ( talk) 14:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Trés Hanley
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Strong WP:COI vibes; the article creator has (mostly) only edited this article over a period of 14 years, also uploaded the two pictures as "own work" that are in the article. Sources are the subject's personal website and two sources that don't meet WP:RS. Lots of unsourced cruft. A search for more RS reveals lots of user-generated content, which fits the pattern. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 18:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. I've removed most of the cruft, including an uncited and frankly ridiculous assertion that she was the first American ever to play Polly in A Beggar's Opera. IBDB lists 7 productions on Broadway alone. Having gotten rid of all that, it appears that some of her roles were more than just bit parts, but if no one can find sufficient press coverage, she would not be considered Notable. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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John O'Reilly (baseball)
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Non-notable baseball player, fails WP:GNG. This is all the coverage I have found of him and it would fail WP:BLP1E. – Muboshgu ( talk) 14:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Some coverage while in college [1], but not really helping notability. He plays in Ireland now, so there is coverage there. [2] and [3] Oaktree b ( talk) 15:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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Michele Fitzgerald
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Notable for only winning Survivor: Kaôh Rōng. I think her runner-up finish in Survivor: Winners at War doesn't have enough depth or substantial coverage to be as equally notable as her Survivor win, despite being highly focused there. Same can be said about her appearances in The Challenge, where she hasn't yet won. I don't think she qualifies for WP:NENT either. Must be redirected to Survivor: Kaôh Rōng per WP:BIO1E (if WP:BLP1E doesn't apply), WP:PAGEDECIDE, or WP:BIODELETE. George Ho ( talk) 01:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
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- Comment I think more independent reliable source are needed.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 09:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I clearly understood she was only notable because she won in a notable event. But I can’t say delete or keep because the biography tells more than just the notable event but fails providing sources to meet WP:GNG. So I just had to suggest an opinion that could help to meet WP:GNG. Other editors are welcome to say what they feel.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 11:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)- Oppose deletion because of her performance in both of her Survivor seasons, but I agree more independent reliable sources are needed.
JohnAdams1800 (
talk) 20:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ Meligirl5 and JohnAdams1800: What are your thoughts on redirecting the article to Survivor: Kaôh Rōng, an alternative to deletion? George Ho ( talk) 20:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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Draftify I would suggest the article should be move to draft space, since she seems to be notable for a particular event but fails WP:GNG. Maybe before the 6 months time more proof of notability would have been gathered for the subject to be on the main space. If no improvement after 6 months, the draft page will be deleted as per wikipedia draft page policy under WP:G13.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 14:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Long Beach Township Beach Patrol
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Bob Pool
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Does not pass WP:NJOURNALIST. LA Times sources are not WP:Independent, and thus I do not see them as justifying notability. Couldn't find any independent coverage of him. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 19:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. No non-independent sources turn up in WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 20:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant)
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Redirect to List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden, or Delete. Case of WP:BLP1E that was previously deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (2nd nomination), but it was recreated. Referencing is very poor (there are no quality RS that cover the subject in any SIGOV outside of being in lists of famous winners). I tagged the article a year ago and suggested it should be redirected as IPs were constantly adding badly referenced WP:PROMO material about his other business interests, but when I WP:BOLDLY redirected it a few days ago, having not had any response to my notices, User:Robert McClenon felt it was better to send to AfD. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Only seeing now that it was also at AfD a third time (that AfD wasn't logged on the Talk Page) where it was kept Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (3rd nomination). Having read the sourcing that was provided for the 3rd AfD, I think it was pretty weak, and a redirect, to his entry on List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden would be a better solution. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I've now restored the AfD tag from the article, since it was removed by Oompaloompa1971 for apparently no reason. CycloneYoris talk! 00:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources. The subject passes
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
SourcesPeople are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
- McNear, Claire (2020).
Answers in the Form of Questions: A Definitive History and Insider's Guide to Jeopardy!. New York:
Twelve.
ISBN
978-1-5387-0232-1. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via
Google Books.
The book notes about Bruce Lou: "As a student, he’d done quiz bowl, the team trivia competition often found in scholastic settings, and won the National History Bee—a contest organized by David Madden, who was a nineteen-time Jeopardy! champion in 2005—and Lou found himself missing the competition."
The book notes: "As Watson entered crunch time, Jeopardy! granted IBM access to notable champions from years past, including nineteen-time winner David Madden, whose streak was second only to Ken Jennings’s at the time. Madden played two games against Watson.“"
The book notes: "A number of Jeopardy! alumni’s new chapters, perhaps unsurprisingly, have to do with trivia. David Madden was a twentythree-year-old grad student when he first played, and as he left the studio after his twentieth game with vouchers totaling more than $430,000, he wasn’t sure what he wanted to do. ... A quiz bowl alum, he ultimately used his winnings as seed money to found International Academic Competitions, which hosts, among other things, the annual National History Bee and Bowl."
The book notes: "David Madden, the nineteen-time champion, remembers auditioning in the Jeopardy! studio in May 2004. With him was a friend named Jeff Hoppes, who was called to be on the show just before Madden and ultimately became one of the final victims of Ken Jennings, coming in second in the seventieth game of Jennings's seventy-four-game winning streak. Hoppes, Madden says, first played quiz bowl in high school when he was a classmate of Rutter's, and then went on to marry eventual six-time Jeopardy! champion and Tournament of Champions runner-up Larissa Kelly. Madden, Rutter, and Kelly made up the winning team in the All-Star Games."
- Grant, Meghan (2019-03-04).
"'Jeopardy!' All-Star Games finals include Ridgewood native".
North Jersey Media Group. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "This Bergen County person is competing in the "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games this week. ... Who is former champion David Madden of Ridgewood? Among the former champs will be Madden, a member of Team Brad, one of the six trios of top players in the tournament. ... Back in 2005-2006, Madden won $432,400 in 19 rounds in a row — the third-longest winning streak in the game — earning a rank among "Jeopardy!" top players. ... Madden founded International Academic Competitions, running about a dozen contests in 30 countries, including the National History Bee and National Science Bee, hosting tens of thousands of students. Former players have gone on to "Jeopardy!" teen and college tournaments, and five staffers have won on the show."
- Grant, Meghan (2019-03-05).
"Ridgewood native David Madden and Team Brad win 'Jeopardy!' All-Star Games".
North Jersey Media Group. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "Ridgewood native David Madden and his partners on Team Brad won a decisive victory on "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games, and the $1 million prize. ... Madden earned a spot on the All-Star Games roster by winning 19 rounds in a row in 2005 and 2006, the third-longest winning streak in the show’s history. He was “drafted” by team leader Brad Rutter, along with Madden’s former Princeton classmate, Larissa Kelly. ... Madden used some of his first "Jeopardy!" winnings, a $432,400 pot, as start-up money, going on to found International Academic Competitions."
- Coutros, Evonnie (2005-09-23).
"Ridgewood grad strikes it rich on 'Jeopardy!'".
The Record. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via
Newspapers.com.
The article notes: "Former Ridgewood resident David Madden hit the jackpot this month, but it wasn't in the lottery. Madden, a 1999 graduate of Ridgewood High, had a 19-day winning streak on "Jeopardy!" and walked away from the game show with more than $430,000 in cash. Madden, 24, a graduate of Princeton University, lost to a 24-year-old self-employed musician from Decatur, Ga. The episode aired earlier this week. ... Madden, who now lives in Berlin, is studying for an advanced degree in international relations at Frei University."
- Daugherty, Haley (2023-02-17).
"Greater Latrobe Senior High School to host national quiz competition".
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "International Academic Competitions was started in 2010 by Jeopardy winner David Madden. He and his wife, Nolwenn Madden act as executive directors and they expanded the competition globally in 2012."
- Adams, Caralee J. (2013-07-01).
"Reviving History Instruction: What's Old Is New Again".
Education Week. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "With the goal of engaging students more deeply in history, David Madden, a “Jeopardy” champion and former high school and college quiz-bowl player, established the National History Bee & Bowl in 2010. Now in about 2,000 schools—elementary through high—individual Bee competitions and Bowl events are held throughout the country. Mr. Madden, 31, discovered there was plenty of demand."
- Ferguson, Mike (2014-02-08).
"'I'll take history for $1,000, Alex': Founder of history bowl attends Montana competition".
Billings Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "Montana high school history buffs can thank David Madden’s 19-day winning streak on the game show “Jeopardy!” nine years ago for the chance to show off their own knowledge Saturday at Skyview High School. Madden, 32, is founder and executive director of the National History Bee and Bowl, an individual and team competition with about 50,000 participants in more than 200 places around the country and overseas, too. About 60 students competed all day Saturday in the state championship held in Skyview’s theater. ... Madden, a graduate of Princeton University, founded the organization four years ago on his more than $400,000 in winnings on America’s most famous quiz show."
- Zarnowski, Tatiana (2011-02-28).
"Saratoga Springs competition will test knowledge of history".
The Daily Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2014-07-22. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "National History Bowl and Bee, a private, for-profit startup company, is based in Ridgewood, N.J., where owner David Madden is from. The company conducted a pilot competition there in May. In 2005, Madden reigned in a 20-game run on “Jeopardy!,” the second-longest ever after Ken Jennings, who had a 74-game winning streak."
- Strauss, Robert (2005-10-09).
"Worth Noting; I'll Take Quiz Kids For $600, Alex".
The New York Times. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: "Mr. Madden was the captain of the Quiz Bowl team at Ridgewood High, and was on a similar freshman team at Princeton."
- Pakkala, Tiffany (2008-01-10).
"'Jeopardy' winner turns to hiking with a purpose".
Savannah Morning News. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-29. Retrieved 2024-04-29.
The article notes: ""Jeopardy" fans remember him as the calculating young trivia expert who won 19 times on the game show and left with winnings more than $442,000, in part because he sought out the "Daily Double" early to maximize his cash. Now David Madden, 26, is crunching numbers for a different reason: He's hiking 3,000 miles to help raise money for a group that offers free and low-cost lodging to hospitalized soldiers and their families."
- Which of these refs is WP:SIGCOV on the subject in a major regional/national media outlet - none.
- No main regional or national American news outlet thinks he is notable enough to do a piece on him - if they don't think he is notable, why do we?
- Passing mentions, and mostly for the BLP1E, in small media outlets, is not the
General notability guideline. If that was the case we could get rid of BLP1E as a guideline as most cases have such coverage.
Aszx5000 (
talk) 08:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- The subject received significant coverage in 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2019, 2020, and 2023. A person who falls under
WP:BLP1E does not receive sustained significant coverage over 18 years for his activities.
He was a nineteen-time Jeopardy! champion in 2005. He founded the International Academic Competitions, which hosts the annual National History Bee and Bowl. He competed in and with his partners won the "Jeopardy!" All-Star Games in 2019. A person who has received significant coverage for multiple events does not fall under WP:BLP1E.
The subject is from New Jersey. The subject received significant coverage in a 2020 book published by Twelve. He received significant coverage in a 2014 article in Billings Gazette, the largest newspaper in Montana. He received significant coverage in a 2008 article in the Savannah Morning News, a regional newspaper that covers the Savannah metropolitan area and parts of South Carolina. He easily meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria.
Cunard ( talk) 08:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- But he hasn't received any significant coverage. If WP:GNG was "significant number of passing mentions in non-national/regional sources", then he would be a keep. But the requirement is for "significant coverage", and in quality sources (of which there is also none).
- I could create an AI to scan 3rd tier US media to find names briefly mentioned (many of which will have a BLP1E element), and I could create 1 million more Wikipedia BLPs in the morning, but I would probably be in ANI shortly after.
- No encyclopedia outside of Jeopardy! fan sites, will ever have an article on this subject. His entry on
List of Jeopardy! contestants#David Madden captures everything that is notable about his BLP1E.
Aszx5000 (
talk) 09:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sources such as Pakkala 2008, Ferguson 2014, Grant 2019a, and McClear 2020 are not passing mentions. Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Cunard ( talk) 10:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There is no requirement on WP:SIGCOV for sources to be "a major regional/national media outlet"; topics can be covered locally and still be notable. WP:NOTPAPER. — Ost ( talk) 21:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- The subject received significant coverage in 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2019, 2020, and 2023. A person who falls under
WP:BLP1E does not receive sustained significant coverage over 18 years for his activities.
- Keep sourcing identified by Cunard is lasting and diverse in its source markets. I think this is beyond BLP1E territory. Star Mississippi 02:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Frederick F. Cornell
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Fails WP:GNG. Book source seems to say about as much as an obituary would about each person described there. Flounder fillet ( talk) 20:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete -- a Newspapers.com search finds only passing mentions (generally as an officiant at a wedding or in ads for a school he assisted at.) -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 17:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, what there is are simply run of the mill mentions. TheLongTone ( talk) 14:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Trés Hanley
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Strong WP:COI vibes; the article creator has (mostly) only edited this article over a period of 14 years, also uploaded the two pictures as "own work" that are in the article. Sources are the subject's personal website and two sources that don't meet WP:RS. Lots of unsourced cruft. A search for more RS reveals lots of user-generated content, which fits the pattern. Fred Zepelin ( talk) 18:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. I've removed most of the cruft, including an uncited and frankly ridiculous assertion that she was the first American ever to play Polly in A Beggar's Opera. IBDB lists 7 productions on Broadway alone. Having gotten rid of all that, it appears that some of her roles were more than just bit parts, but if no one can find sufficient press coverage, she would not be considered Notable. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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John O'Reilly (baseball)
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Non-notable baseball player, fails WP:GNG. This is all the coverage I have found of him and it would fail WP:BLP1E. – Muboshgu ( talk) 14:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Some coverage while in college [1], but not really helping notability. He plays in Ireland now, so there is coverage there. [2] and [3] Oaktree b ( talk) 15:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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Michele Fitzgerald
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Notable for only winning Survivor: Kaôh Rōng. I think her runner-up finish in Survivor: Winners at War doesn't have enough depth or substantial coverage to be as equally notable as her Survivor win, despite being highly focused there. Same can be said about her appearances in The Challenge, where she hasn't yet won. I don't think she qualifies for WP:NENT either. Must be redirected to Survivor: Kaôh Rōng per WP:BIO1E (if WP:BLP1E doesn't apply), WP:PAGEDECIDE, or WP:BIODELETE. George Ho ( talk) 01:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment I think more independent reliable source are needed.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 09:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I clearly understood she was only notable because she won in a notable event. But I can’t say delete or keep because the biography tells more than just the notable event but fails providing sources to meet WP:GNG. So I just had to suggest an opinion that could help to meet WP:GNG. Other editors are welcome to say what they feel.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 11:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)- Oppose deletion because of her performance in both of her Survivor seasons, but I agree more independent reliable sources are needed.
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- @ Meligirl5 and JohnAdams1800: What are your thoughts on redirecting the article to Survivor: Kaôh Rōng, an alternative to deletion? George Ho ( talk) 20:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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Draftify I would suggest the article should be move to draft space, since she seems to be notable for a particular event but fails WP:GNG. Maybe before the 6 months time more proof of notability would have been gathered for the subject to be on the main space. If no improvement after 6 months, the draft page will be deleted as per wikipedia draft page policy under WP:G13.-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 14:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Long Beach Township Beach Patrol