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Josh Fusitua

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 23:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Reinhardt Erwee

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Pretty much all trivial mentions. JTtheOG ( talk) 23:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Jacques Fick

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP; subject made one pro appearance. Having a hard time finding the necessary sourcing to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 23:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Hwang Myong-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Shaun Squires

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG. I am unable to find much of anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Best thing that came up was three sentences here. JTtheOG ( talk) 23:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Choe Mi-gyong

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All that came up were trivial mentions ( 1, 2, etc.) JTtheOG ( talk) 23:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sebra Yen

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Fails WP:NSKATE; ineligible for PROD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I did not find significant coverage in reliable sources in my searches for sources. There is a passing mention here in The Washington Post, which says, "ICE SKATING EXHIBITION Friday 6:30 to 7. Champion ice skater Sebra Yen performs. Reston Town Center Pavilion, 1818 Discovery St., Reston. 703-709-6300. Free."
Sebra Yen ( simplified Chinese: 颜少博; traditional Chinese: 顔少博; pinyin: Yán Shǎobó) does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria.
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Matt Iacopelli

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 19:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: American Hockey League player - you don't get much higher than that within ice hockey. Probably the third best league in the world. The nomination is not the third best in the world, though, it consists of a single word (plus one capital-letter abbreviation) which doesn't cast any light on the state of the article or its sourcing. Geschichte ( talk) 21:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Atta Soja

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Does not pass WP:NBOX or GNG. Sources are database entries, press release with the same images, paid articles posted without bylines etc., Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 09:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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2024 Sindh Premier League

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NEVENT. The tournament doesn't have official status with no lasting effect. Robo^Cric Let's chat 05:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Sindh Premier League Not enough coverage for separate season article. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 09:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tyler Lawlor

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WP:BLP of a sports figure, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for sportspeople. To be fair, at the time this was first created, Wikipedia had a consensus that simple presence at the Olympics was an automatic inclusion lock regardless of medal placement or sourcing issues -- but that's long since been deprecated, and a non-medalist now has to be shown to pass WP:GNG on their sourceability.
But a WP:BEFORE search turned up very little that could be used to salvage the article: apart from Olympic results reporting itself, I largely just get glancing namechecks of his existence and local high-school-athlete coverage rather than coverage that's substantively about him in any notability-building sense. I've further been completely unable to verify this article's claim that he was born in Sudbury — even the database entry present here as the article's sole source fails to claim that, and his local high-school-athlete coverage is found in Ottawa, not Sudbury. (And yes, I get that it's possible for people to be born in one place and then move to another, but we still need to be able to verify claims about a person's birthplace.)
Finishing ninth in an Olympic event just isn't "inherently" notable enough anymore to exempt him from ever having to have more reliable source coverage than I've been able to find. Bearcat ( talk) 19:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Besides raising chickens in his backyard [1] -and it might not even be this person- nothing for notability. Aylmer is near Ottawa. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. @ Oaktree b and Bearcat: Passes GNG, see coverage at newspapers.com: Ottawa Citizen feature ( p2), more Ottawa Citizen, Harbor City Star, and The Standard. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 20:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Ottawa Citizen is the local hometown coverage I mentioned in my nomination statement, the St. Cat's Standard is just a short blurb that nominally verifies a fact but is not long enough to imbue said fact with any notability points, and the Harbour City Star hit is literally just an advertorial to sell aquatic sport clothing that Tyler Lawlor is modelling, not an article about Tyler Lawlor doing anything noteworthy. So the Ottawa Citizen is still all we've actually got for GNG-worthy coverage, and that's still "local guy" coverage in his hometown newspaper (i.e. not enough if it's all he's got). Bearcat ( talk) 20:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Ottawa Citizen is one of the largest newspapers in Canada, and as such should be given the full weight of a normal significant source (esp. considering that locality of coverage is irrelevant). The Harbour City Star piece: yes, it is about a business of Lawlor's, but it seems to be written by a valid journalist by a valid company (Southam Newspapers, owned by Postmedia Network) – it seems to have enough details on him IMO to be categorized as covering him " directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content" – as far as I'm aware a source does not need to cover someone for them doing something one subjectively things is "noteworthy" to be considered significant. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 21:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nobody dismissed the Ottawa Citizen on size grounds, but all newspapers can still cover local residents in local-interest contexts that don't necessarily clinch nationalized or internationalized notability in and of themselves for a person who has virtually nothing wider than just their hometown. For instance, a restaurant owner in Byward Market is not going to clear GNG just because a restaurant critic reviewed his restaurant in the Citizen, a local artist winning a local arts award from the SAW Gallery isn't going to clear NARTIST standards on that basis alone, and on and so forth. Even The New York Times features coverage of local people in local-interest contexts that don't establish permanent national or international notability all by themselves just because their local coverage came from The New York Times instead of the Palookaville Herald, because GNG does take into account the context of what the person is getting covered for and not just the raw number of hits that exist. Bearcat ( talk) 01:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Per BeanieFan11. Themanwithnowifi ( talk) 06:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nino Kochlamazashvili

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Poorly sourced footballer BLP that fails WP:GNG. All that comes up are trivial mentions. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Per nom. Svartner ( talk) 16:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Jonathan Soares

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Ineligible for PROD. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Zinedine Booysen

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The best sources I found were two sentences of coverage here and four-ish sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep I think with the sources found and a few other bits in a search, it's close to a WP:GNG pass. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 09:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. A few independent-ish sentences interspersed within an interview are not enough for SPORTCRIT or GNG. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Harry Bardle

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP; subject made one pro appearance. All I really found was this transactional announcement. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. J Mo 101 ( talk) 10:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Franco Vermeulen

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Stuart Bell (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; ineligible for PROD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Connor Lunn

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 14:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Robert Glen

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The only reference for this stub biography of a footballer is a database entry, so this stub no longer satisfies sports notability and does not satisfy general notability. Draftification will provide six months to find significant coverage.

Draftify as nominator. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Comment: while I am aware of the changed notability criteria, seems a bit odd to go straight to AfD for a subject like this where the article already existed for some years under the old rules, would it not be more appropriate to tag for verification first, then move up from that if not acted on? It seems very likely this player will appear in the British Newspaper Archive and there are far more 'deserving' nominations from this era than an international player and cup winner? I have added refs that indicate his prominence, but appreciate they would not satisfy SIGCOV. Crowsus ( talk) 02:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. Absurd nomination. This player represented his country and won national competitions. If that doesn't satisfy notability then this place is a complete waste of time. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 04:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep - clearly notable. 200 professional appearances in England and Scotland, a Scotland international, there is coverage out there including in Paul Smith's book about Scotland players - silly nomination. Good work by Crowsus and JM on expanding. Giant Snowman 09:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. Again the Keeps make n:football arguments despite it being abolished in 2022. I struggled to find coverage of him let alone significant coverage. The book is one source (if that) meaning he fails GNG. Dougal18 ( talk) 11:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
"I struggle to find coverage of him" - apart from the 13 refs in the article? Do you really think that a player with 200 professional appearances in 1890s/1900s will not have been mentioned in any newspapers that (shockingly!) don't appear online 130 years later? We have lost all WP:COMMONSENSE if this article is deleted. Giant Snowman 21:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
You mean the refs to stat websites? The refs to mentions in match reports? All of which don't count when it comes to passing GNG. Mentions in newspapers is irrelevant as it is sigcov that is required. Dougal18 ( talk) 09:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Two books about the history of Hibernian FC describing Glen's career and playing style isn't significant coverage? Come off it. You just don't like articles about footballers. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 10:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The Hibees has 13 hits for Glen. The making of Hibernian has one hit. Those are not sigcov. Dougal18 ( talk) 13:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Coverage in four published books isn't significant coverage? I'm wondering what you would consider that to be. A book about the player himself?!? Demanding that level of coverage would lead to the deletion of the vast majority of biographies on this site. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 16:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - I would strongly agree with User:GiantSnowman's and User:Jmorrison230582's points. I think it would be odd for us not to have an article about a Scotland international who clearly is covered in published sources. Dunarc ( talk) 22:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep The article has been updated, clearly notable player, easily passes WP:GNG. Govvy ( talk) 12:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep – The Paul Smith's book It already seemed to be enough for WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 16:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep Passes WP:GNG, also has fine sources that attribute significant coverage. Noorullah ( talk) 19:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment - Responding to Jmorrison230582, the article didn't say that his team won national competitions when I nominated it for deletion, and the nomination was not absurd. Govvy is correct that the article has been updated. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment - Perhaps I should have said that the Heymann criterion was to provide significant coverage in seven days, but perhaps that should be implied. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hwang Jin-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Kenji Tohira

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A Japanese racing driver. Page fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Doesn't have much beyond when he was born and died, and some scores. BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions) 18:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete for lack of viable press and statistical content other than subject's death. Ernesto Wong, another recently deceased sports figure, nominated for the same reasons. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 21:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment: The page on Japanese Wikipedia appears to be more in depth and has more sources than the page here currently has. I was initially going to withdraw this nomination but I think even with those sources the page still doesn't qualify for WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG. Duke of New Gwynedd ( talk | contrib.) 18:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Is dailysportscar a good source? If you take his name in Japanese and search for it in Google Books and Google News a bunch of results pop up. Dude was born in 1941 so there is probably more coverage of him on paper than digitally. as-web.jp is also a good in-depth source. Polygnotus ( talk) 19:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep good sources on the Japanese article as noted above. Also [2] Odd that this was nominated the day after his death, but from his obituary in Chunichi Shimbun: "1960年代後半から高橋国光さんらとビッグレースに参戦。スカイライン2000GT－Rで通算4勝を挙げ、フェアレディ240Zで日本グランプリを連覇（71、72年）。90年代にはN1耐久シリーズや全日本GT選手権にも参戦した。" Lots of other obituaries in outlets in Japan (from what I can dig up on noticeboards, it appears obituaries in national publications count towards notability?) including this particularly indepth one. Here's a piece from 芸文社 [ ja discussing his car in the 80s. It appears there's a feature on him in the 2022 issue of RacingOn magazine. Another piece from 2019. Agree with Polygnotus that there's likely a lot of coverage that has not been digitized since Japan is only now partially undergoing digital transformation. DCsansei ( talk) 10:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Aidan Burrell

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP; subject made one pro appearance. I found a couple sentences of coverage here and not much else. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Played one match, not notable. Mn1548 ( talk) 11:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: this source says that he left Hull to pursue a full time job which implies his rugby career is concluded and we shouldn't expect any further coverage that would bring him up to a notability threshold. -- D'n'B- t -- 12:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Oupa Mthiyane

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Note that he is more commonly known by Mandisi Mthiyane, which seems to be his legal name. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Career has never really kicked on to show WP:GNG coverage. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Paschal Ekeji

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found was a few sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Few bits that look close to being WP:GNG relevant, but not really enough. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Vilma Abrahamsson

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 11:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions) 16:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet GNG or SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 01:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Any coverage I find looking in the local paper is just match reports or very short statements on her injuries. Fails WP:NBIO and WP:SPORTCRIT. AlexandraAVX ( talk) 08:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Siviwe Mpondo

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Article was previously nominated in a WP:BUNDLE, which was closed as a procedural keep. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 13:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sipho Nofemele

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I searched using both Sipho and Siphosenkosi as his first name. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Reasonable amount of coverage, but nothing suggesting a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Teunis Nieuwoudt

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found lots of trivial mentions, especially from 2015 to 2018, but nothing substantial. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Lots of mentions, but nothing really concrete for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Indrė Venskevičiūtė

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a Lithuanian women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Loren Galler-Rabinowitz

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Fails WP:NSKATE. As for the rest, I don’t know whether she meets the criteria for notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep, very weak. The sports hall of fame induction seems to be the best, the Buffalo newspaper article is fine. Coming in fourth, then third at the national championships for ice dancing is barely at notability, but we have enough confirmation of these. The medical career is routine, but just barely notable for the athletic portion. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: This helps too [3]. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep per Oaktree, passes BASIC. Another source to add is Forward. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 21:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tristan Cousins

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Fails WP:NSKATE; everything else seems to lack any notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Darcy Breen

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT as far as I can tell. The closest thing to WP:SIGCOV that I found was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG ( talk) 21:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Career never really kicked on to bring extended coverage, so not really enough to pass WP:GNG here. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only 1 game for Waratahs. LibStar ( talk) 03:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Khalil Rahme

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. Participation-based SNGs were deprecated in 2022 and BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC) I am changing my recommendation to a redirect to 2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup squads#Lebanon. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: World Cup quarter finalist, several references (though more needed), suggesting player has had/having a career in Australia's first and second tier. Article needs expansion. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - Played at the RLWC, nine sources, every line sourced. Fleets ( talk) 16:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Any WP:SIGCOV? JTtheOG ( talk) 22:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mitchell Mamary

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. Participation-based SNGs were deprecated in 2022 and BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Though he his semi pro with international caps, references given don't appear to suggest his career is notable, thus finding refs is unlikely. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The zealous moves to purge sportspeople whilst other more civilized pursuits skate by with achievement based criteria. Nom fails to explain why deletion is necessary when alternatives exist such as a Redirect to the appropriate section of 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads. duffbeerforme ( talk) 23:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Christo Joubert

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am having a hard time finding anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Stevie Meyer

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Rumen Shankulov

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This article doesn't meet the notability guidelines set down in WP:SPORTCRIT Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 13:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sorry, submitted by accident this before I was finished writing the reasons. There are no sources outside of trivial stat listings, which are not considered a contribution to notability. Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 13:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment Going by the player's career, I could see some notability. They had a good season in the Bulgarian first tier with Cherno More Varna, two good seasons abroad with Israeli second-tier club Hapoel Rishon LeZion and three in Cyprus with second-tier side Omonia Aradippou. A web search, however, did find anything close to WP:SIGCOV. Perhaps we'd need to search using a different spelling of their name, for example in Hebrew? Robby.is.on ( talk) 16:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Slavcho Boychev

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Per WP:NSPORT, the existence of stat pages is not enough to prove notability. There are no other sources referenced, and nothing shows up in a search for news articles or other sourceable media. This article clearly doesn't meet the notability requirements. Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 14:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: Seems like he went on to have a political career. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Stoyan Todorov

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Does not meet the notability standards in WP:NSPORT. In addition, no non-trivial sources are provided, and I could not find any. Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 14:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - found nothing better than Gong 1 and Gong 2 Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Robert McGee

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I'm usually sympathetic to pages on perpetual students but I couldn't find enough reliable sources for this person besides that he got a bunch of degrees and is a professor. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Interesting human interest story and I'm amazed he hasn't been featured in NPR or something... I don't see anything we'd use, no news coverage, nothing, for sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Other than mentions of his degrees and being a professor, I cannot find anything to convince GNG.-- Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 11:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Independent sigcov appears in the Fayetteville Observer ( more, book review) and Miami Herald ( cont., later). His Google Scholar may suggest an NPROF pass too but I don't know the field well enough. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 14:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep -- I think the multiple sources with SIGCOV provided by Hameltion are enough for a GNG pass. JTtheOG ( talk) 02:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tiger Reth

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Not yet notable per WP:NACTOR or WP:NSPORT, all film roles appear to have been minor roles so far. He's been in teams of several performers at the openings of national sports events, but this doesn't bring him over the line for WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Couldn't find any significant secondary coverage of him in English or Khmer, just passing mentions and social media. Declined three times at draft. Wikishovel ( talk) 15:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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hello sir Tiger Reth he is an actor, martial artist he play his role around more than 10 film the international film has 2 ( First they kill my father and jailbreak ) and now he is filming upcoming international film in cambodia( Phnom Penh Ground Zero ), You can check film list in tiger reth page wikipedia.

Thank You. Songha Mao ( talk) 07:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete There is no indication of WP notability. He has no major acting roles that would meet WP:NACTOR, no martial arts accomplishments that would meet WP:MANOTE, and lacks the coverage to meet WP:GNG. Database entries, passing mentions, and being part of large performances at Cambodian athletic events (although not a competitor), fail to show significant independent coverage. Papaursa ( talk) 01:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Jang Kyong-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete A few databases online, but nothing else to suggest GNG, delete per nom. Govvy ( talk) 21:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Nothing here. Per nom. Anwegmann ( talk) 23:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 11:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails WP:GNG, also doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (sports). Noorullah ( talk) 05:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hwang Hak-sun

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Nothing on the Japanese article, the guy is Japanese not Korean, but other than that error, I don't see GNG here. Govvy ( talk) 21:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Per above. Svartner ( talk) 22:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete I did a quick Google search and couldnt find anything to construct WP:GNG. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 11:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Liuba Dragomir

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Redirect to List of Moldova women's international footballers as I am unable to find sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 02:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Support redirect Traumnovelle ( talk) 02:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect – Per nom. Svartner ( talk) 22:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of Moldova women's international footballers due to subject's lack of WP:GNG. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 11:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Tunzala Suleymanova

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Redirect to List of Azerbaijan women's international footballers as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found was this interview, where she claims to have retired at age 23 or 24. JTtheOG ( talk) 23:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect – Per nom. Svartner ( talk) 22:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect per nom. Anwegmann ( talk) 23:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect As nominated by JTtheOG. Chekidalum ( talk) 11:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Linda Thwala

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were transactional announcements ( 1, 2). JTtheOG ( talk) 21:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ernesto Wong

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Fails WP:GNG. Non-notable baseball career with no statistics, and no coverage outside playing city (Turin). 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 19:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep the obituaries were published by several news outlets: TorinoToday, Repubblica, RaiNews, La Stampa, Corriere. It seems enough to justify GNG, but I found very little pre-death coverage. Broc ( talk) 06:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment Sources above basically parrot each other in eulogizing him and mentioning that a relative plays for the Texas Rangers. There's nothing about Wong's career while he never played in a top-flight league. It's not enough to even establish WP:SPORTCRIT. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 21:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Johan Fritz

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a South African rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 21:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Marcelle Slabbert

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a South African rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 13:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - can't find any decent coverage Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

William James Crawford

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Unref article, and I couldn't find sources to show he meets WP:BIO / WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 19:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete I see some of his works online, but I don't see anything to suggest notability. Govvy ( talk) 21:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Per above. Svartner ( talk) 22:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Unreffed, fails WP:BIO. Anwegmann ( talk) 23:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Katsunori Iketani

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fails general notability guideline. current sources in article are databases. search only finds other databases and this, which spells his name 2 different ways...? ltb d l ( talk) 07:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep Weak because article creator or editors could've done more such as add results rather than leave it a single sentence stub article. Japanese Wikipedia hints that he may was a driver of a national level but like this, does not provide context too. Digging further, looking at his result database on JAF ( source), he may as well pass criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT as he had some sucesses in top level national racing. A selection of highlights in his career as below.

A class win at the 1995 All Japan Grand Touring Car Championship
A top 5 season finish at the 1996 All Japan Grand Touring Car Championship
Throughout that decade, he made consistent appearances.

SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Yet the Japanese article has the same sources as the English one – the article can't be kept on race results alone, there needs to be some independent, substantive coverage. 5225_C ( talk • contributions) 02:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The whole point of having subject-specific guidelines is that verifying that a subject meets that criteria means that their article is kept. In this case, I agree with SpacedFarmer that he meets criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. He also meets criteria 2 since he completed the 1988 season of the World Sportscar Championship (by which point the series was a professional racing series). Therefore, I also !vote keep on this article. DCsansei ( talk) 11:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

No, that is absolutely not the purpose of SNGs ( WP:SNG). SNGs are indicators of when a subject is likely to be notable. Articles still need to meet the GNG: if there are no usable sources, there cannot be an article. 5225_C ( talk • contributions) 11:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Leighton van Wyk

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Clinton Theron

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG. All that comes up in my searches are trivial mentions in match reports and lineup announcements. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Blair Kurtz

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Played only 3 first grade games. Only sources provided are primary. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar ( talk) 05:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Most sources are databases or primary sources. Unless more references can be found current coverage isn't sufficient. Mn1548 ( talk) 13:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Karl Filiga

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His first grade career was a mere 11 minutes in total. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar ( talk) 05:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: Article has several secondary sources, and by the looks of what is written, he went on to have a career in Australia's second tier. Don't think failing in the NRL is sounds to be classEd as not notable. Article could probably be expanded. Mn1548 ( talk) 13:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Rinus Bothma

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 04:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Rachid Ghanimi

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I can't seem to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV on this player. This might be a WP:TOOSOON situation. In any case, it clearly fails WP:GNG. It was also draftified previously due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV, but the original creator moved the article to mainspace without changing anything. Anwegmann ( talk) 03:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV . Looking for sources only brings up stat pages like Transfermarkt and fbref . Kpg jhp jm 04:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner ( talk) 18:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Alenga Charles

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This comes across as WP:TOOSOON, as the player is young and only getting started. That said, this article clearly fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG as it stands right now. Several searches hardly brought up databases, much less anything of substance. Anwegmann ( talk) 03:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 18:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: There are quite number of sources though primary and silent meet out criteria for media coverage. The article may be notable in the future. But for now, WP:NOTJUSTYET. Safari Scribe^{Edits!
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Hong Song-nam (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Football at the 1976 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads where his name is listed and only known for. Govvy ( talk) 09:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect to Football at the 1976 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#North Korea per Govvy. Giant Snowman 17:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect per above. Anwegmann ( talk) 01:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hong Jin-song

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Nothing at all to go on here. Fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann ( talk) 01:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Luke Rossouw

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG. All that comes up in my searches are trivial mentions in match reports and lineup announcements. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete A reasonable amount of coverage, but not enough to suggest a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mackenzie Bent

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Garrett MacKeen

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Yasmin Siraj

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment But doesn't fail BASIC because the sourcing seems to be there ( WBUR, Wicked Local, etc.). As I mentioned to you here, NSKATE is less important than GNG/BASIC. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 21:13, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep -- The two sources presented by Hameltion alone are enough to meet GNG / WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Lauri Bonacorsi

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment But doesn't fail BASIC because the sourcing seems to be there ( Inquirer, Golden Skate, etc.). As I mentioned to you here, NSKATE is less important than GNG/BASIC. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 21:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Patricio Vidal (Chilean footballer)

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I can't find any mention of this guy anywhere. He seems to have been a bit player on the teams he played. WP:GNG fails. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 13:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete unless the resident expert on Chilean football, @ ImSnot, knows of any sources, any accomplishments, anytihng useful. Geschichte ( talk) 15:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Travis Mager

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Absolutely fails WP:NSKATE; an earlier PROD had been removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Angeline Gustave

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Poorly sourced footballer BLP. I found a couple of pieces covering her move to France ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), but nothing in-depth. #3 is probably the best source. JTtheOG ( talk) 17:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner ( talk) 22:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Tsvetana Mancheva

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Redirect to List of Bulgaria women's international footballers as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 04:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Mitch Cahalane

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I really found were transactional announcements ( 2015, 2017). JTtheOG ( talk) 20:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Undecided: Can't imagine a player with 93 appearances for one club and had apparently played for others has so little written about him. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Unable to find anything other than routine coverage. J Mo 101 ( talk) 16:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Bader Pretorius

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep There's this and this along with other coverage in South African and European media. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 08:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Not seeing enough sustained coverage to justify GNG, including in the links above. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

John O'Reilly (baseball)

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Non-notable baseball player, fails WP:GNG. This is all the coverage I have found of him and it would fail WP:BLP1E. – Muboshgu ( talk) 14:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: Some coverage while in college [4], but not really helping notability. He plays in Ireland now, so there is coverage there. [5] and [6] Oaktree b ( talk) 15:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Artur Khachatryan

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Boxer whose only reference is a database entry. There is a draft for a diplomat, Draft: Artur Khachatryan, which will otherwise require disambiguation. The need for disambiguation is not a reason to delete, but the lack of sports notability is Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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There's more content at the Russian and Polish wikis that should be checked. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 22:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Agreed with above comment. I'd lean to a procedural keep if those sources help demonstrate WP:N. Archives908 ( talk) 22:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Fails to meet WP:NBOX, WP:ANYBIO, or WP:GNG. The AIBA database entry shows he had 4 wins and 5 losses in his short career. His bronze medal at the European championships qualified him for the 2011 world championships where he lost his first fight (in the round of 64). I saw no significant independent coverage of him and no indication of meeting any WP notability criteria. Papaursa ( talk) 14:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Teng Chun-hsun

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Not meet WP:NBAD; Fails GNG Stvbastian ( talk) 09:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
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1. Kung, Bakery; Deng, Wei 鄧崴 (2023-08-03). "本屆第二面金牌！世大運中華隊值得你關注的羽球球員：「左手重砲」林俊易、「新一代最強女雙」李佳馨、鄧淳薰！" [Second gold medal this year! The badminton players of the Chinese team in the Universiade who deserve your attention: "The left-handed heavy gun" Lin Junyi, "the strongest women's doubles of the new generation" Li Jiaxin and Deng Chunxun!]. GQ (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-19. Retrieved 2024-04-19.
  The article notes: "本屆第二面金牌！世大運中華隊值得你關注的羽球球員：「左手重砲」林俊易、「新一代最強女雙」李佳馨、鄧淳薰！在擁有豐富經驗的李佳馨、鄧淳薰，在世大運混團最後一點穩定的發揮下，中華隊在本屆世大運混合團體賽，收下了本屆的第二面金牌。"
  From Google Translate: "Second gold medal this year! The badminton players of the Chinese team in the Universiade who deserve your attention: "The left-handed heavy gun" Lin Junyi, "the strongest women's doubles of the new generation" Li Jiaxin and Deng Chunxun! Thanks to the stable performance of Li Jiaxin and Deng Chunxun, who have rich experience in the World Universiade mixed team, the Chinese team won its second gold medal in the World Universiade mixed team competition."
  The article notes: "身高173公分的鄧淳薰，無疑是最後一個關鍵賽事的亮點；有14年球齡的她，由於有身材上的優勢，爆發力十足，因此後場扣壓的能力相當突出：本場比賽前，這對組合世界排名第20，相較於對手李汶妹、劉玄炫世界排名第14是稍微低了一點，但2020年成軍的「馨薰配」從過去效力中租就已經默契滿分，甚至還被封為「新一代最強女雙」，不負眾望，最終也讓中國隊看到了「最強」的威力。"
  From Google Translate: "Deng Chunxun, who is 173 centimeters tall, is undoubtedly the highlight of the last key event; with 14 years of playing experience, she has a physical advantage and is full of explosive power, so her ability to press in the backcourt is quite outstanding: Before this game, this pair Ranked 20th in the world, which is a little lower than opponents Li Wenmei and Liu Xuanxuan, ranked 14th in the world. However, the "Xin–Xun pair" that joined together in 2020 has already had a tacit understanding of perfect scores since playing in the past and was even named "The strongest women's doubles of the new generation" lived up to expectations and finally allowed the Chinese team to see the "strongest" power."
2. Jian, Mingshan 簡名杉 (2023-08-10). "台灣女羽「忙內」鄧淳薰世大運學經驗　盼亞運叩關4強" [Taiwanese women’s badminton maknae Deng Chunxun learns from the Summer World University Games experience and hopes to reach the top four of the Asian Games]. ETtoday [ zh (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-19. Retrieved 2024-04-19.
  The article notes: "剛代表中華隊參與成都世大運，並拿下羽球混雙項目銀牌以及混合團體項目金牌的小將鄧淳薰，也將披上國家隊戰袍出戰接下來的杭州亞運，身為中華羽球女團中年紀最小的「忙內」，第一次出戰亞運坦言，「能打到哪裡就是哪裡。」同時也期盼能夠叩關女單項目的8強甚至4強。"
  From Google Translate: "Deng Chunxun, the young player who just represented the Chinese team in the 2021 Summer World University Games and won the silver medal in the badminton mixed doubles event and the gold medal in the mixed team event, will also put on the national team jersey and compete in the next Asian Games in Hangzhou. As a middle-aged member of the Chinese badminton women's team The youngest "maknae", who is participating in the Asian Games for the first time, said frankly, "I can play wherever I can." At the same time, she also hopes to reach the top 8 or even the top 4 in the women's singles event."
3. Ye, Shihong 葉士弘 (2016-04-27). "全中運》李鄧配羽球摘金預約東京奧運" ["National Games" Li Deng won gold medal in badminton and booked for Tokyo Olympics]. China Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-19. Retrieved 2024-04-19.
  The article notes: "就讀台北市立大同高中國中部三年級的李子晴與鄧淳薰，從小就是羽球女雙搭檔，展現出超齡的實力與擊球威力，她們先在今年1月舉行的第1次全國排名賽勇奪乙組第一與甲組門票，轉戰台東全中運更是勢如破竹，1局未失登上后座。 ... 兩人球路與個性互補，李子晴個性大方，鄧淳薰則較為內向，在球場上也是李子晴較為主動，鄧淳薰則以補攻為主，成為絕佳拍檔，她們本次不斷打下國中女雙金牌，也率隊打下女團金牌，一舉進帳兩金。"
  From Google Translate: "Li Ziqing and Deng Chunxun, who are in the third grade of Taipei Municipal Datong High School, have been a badminton women's doubles partner since childhood. They showed their strength and hitting power beyond their years. They first won the Group B in the first national ranking tournament held in January this year. First and Group A tickets, the move to the Taitung All-China Games was even more impressive, without losing a single game. ... The two players have complementary skills and personalities. Li Ziqing has a generous personality, while Deng Chunxun is more introverted. Li Ziqing is more proactive on the court, while Deng Chunxun focuses on making up the offense. They have become an excellent partner. They have continuously won gold medals in the junior high school women's doubles this time. , also led the team to win the women's team gold medal, winning two gold medals in one fell swoop."
4. Zhan, Jianquan 詹健全 (2021-10-21). "全運》疫情後15連勝連三冠　李佳馨／鄧淳薰女雙打遍台灣無敵手" [National Games》After the pandemic, Li Jiaxin/Deng Chunxun women’s doubles won 15 consecutive victories and won three consecutive championships in Taiwan.] (in Chinese). LTSports. Archived from the original on 2024-04-19. Retrieved 2024-04-19.
  The article notes: "新冠疫情後要留給有準備好的人，很明顯，來自中租的「馨薰配」李佳馨／鄧淳薰組合準備的非常充足，「馨薰配」今在全運羽球女雙金牌戰的北市內戰中再以直落二(21：8、21：15)打敗吳玓蓉／程郁捷奪金，疫情後已連15勝包辦全排、全大運和全運三冠，儼然已經是台灣新一代最強女雙。... 「馨薰配」中的鄧淳薰今年更是首度參加全運就順利摘金而回"
  From Google Translate: "After the COVID-19 pandemic, it must be left to those who are prepared. It is obvious that the "Xin–Xun pair" Li Jiaxin/Deng Chunxun combination from Chailease is very well prepared. The "Xin–Xun pair" is currently playing badminton in the National Games In the women's doubles gold medal match in Beishi Civil War, they defeated Wu Zhenrong/Cheng Yujie in straight games (21:8, 21:15) to win the gold medal. After the pandemic, they have won 15 consecutive victories to win the three championships of the National Parade, Universiade and National Games. It seems that they have already won the gold medal. They are the strongest women's doubles team of Taiwan's new generation. ... Deng Chunxun in the "Xin–Xun Pair" participated in the National Games for the first time this year and successfully won the gold medal."
5. "羽球／全國國中盃　北市大同奪3冠1亞4季第一贏家" [Badminton/National Junior High Cup Beishi Datong won 3 championships, 1 Asia and 4 seasons as the first winner]. ETtoday [ zh (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-19. Retrieved 2024-04-19.
  The article notes: "從小學就搭檔至今的北市大同女雙鄧淳薰／李子晴，19日準決賽先以22：20、21：11擊敗自家姐妹孫妏沛／陳奕璇，再於決賽以21：12、21：16取勝南市永康梁家微／鄭育沛，贏得她們國中生涯首座全國大賽后冠。身為大會第1種子的鄧李配，不僅首輪輪空，且場場快速解決對手，堪稱這次女雙最強拍檔 ... 今年全中運屈居第四的鄧李配，賽後鄧淳薰哭的像是淚人兒般，本屆國中盃終於一嚐摘冠心願"
  From Google Translate: "Beishi Datong Women's Doubles Deng Chunxun/Li Ziqing, who have been partners since elementary school, first defeated their sisters Sun Yupei/Chen Yixuan in the semi-finals on the 19th 22:20, 21:11, and then defeated Nanshi Yongkang in the final 21:12, 21:16 Liang Jiawei/Zheng Yupei won the first national championship in their junior high school career. ... As the No. 1 seed in the conference, Deng and Li Pei not only received a bye in the first round, but also quickly defeated their opponents in every game. They can be called the strongest partner in women's doubles this time. ... Deng and Li Pei, who finished fourth in the National Games this year, cried like tears after the game. This year's Junior High School Cup finally got a chance to win the championship."
6. Huang, Xiuren 黃秀仁 (2017-08-12). "紐西蘭懷卡托羽賽》台灣潛優小將獲2冠3亞7季　表現最耀眼隊伍" [Waikato Badminton Championships in New Zealand》Taiwan's potential youngster won 2 crowns and 3 Asian Games, the most dazzling team in 7 seasons] (in Chinese). LTSports. Archived from the original on 2024-04-19. Retrieved 2024-04-19.
  The article notes: "北市大同高2女雙鄧淳薰／李子晴與高雄中學3年級鄭育沛／梁家溦在冠軍戰演出「自家姊妹」對決戲碼，最終鄧李配技高一籌，花費35分鐘以21：16、21：19拿下比賽，也獲兩人搭配以來在國際成人賽第一冠。"
  From Google Translate: "The second-year girls' doubles team of Datong High School in Peking City, Deng Chunxun/Li Ziqing, and Kaohsiung Middle School third-graders Zheng Yupei/Liang Jiaman performed a "sister" showdown in the championship match. In the end, Deng and Li were superior in supporting skills and won in 35 minutes with 21:16, 21:19. In the competition, they also won the first international adult championship since the two teamed up."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Teng Chun-hsun ( traditional Chinese: 鄧淳薰; simplified Chinese: 邓淳薰) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Keep per @ Cunard arriving with a steel chair to source the hell out of this article. BrigadierG ( talk) 01:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep per above The argument above is quite well laid out. With all those good Chinese-language sources, Teng Chun-hsun doesn't fail GNG at all. Batmanthe8th ( talk) 17:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Sources presented are good. Hopefully someone can incorporate a couple into the article. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 01:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Pak Chol-jin

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Article fails WP:GNG. Can only find passing mentions in match reports. Redirect to 2010 World Cup squad. Simione001 ( talk) 03:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep He has 36 caps for a senior national team and played in a World Cup. Anwegmann ( talk) 00:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Both irrelevant facts. There are no sources which prove notability in sport and as such the article should be redirect to 2010 World Cup squad or deleted. Simione001 ( talk) 00:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment @ Simione001: I just like to point out that he is listed at both 2011 AFC Asian Cup squads and 2010 FIFA World Cup squads, so redirecting to one or the other would effect the search feature if anyone looks the name up. If deleted with no redirect, people will be able to find his name in both the articles and not be directed to just one. Govvy ( talk) 22:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep Odd one because WP:NFOOTBALL has been removed from WP:NSPORT but according to the discussion at WP:NFOOTBALLNEW, Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in, any Tier 1 International Match as defined by FIFA was once the guideline for notability which this article meets. Orange sticker ( talk) 11:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Orange sticker: - You are basing your keep vote on a failed proposal. WP:NFOOTBALLNEW was rejected. You mustn't make up your own keep/delete criteria. WP:GNG is very clear. Simione001 ( talk) 23:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment not quite, the proposal was to change what was referred to as the current guideline (part I quoted) however all guidelines relating to football seem to have been scrapped for reasons I don't know. Might be a good idea to draftify this and similar stubs until the guidelines are clearer? Orange sticker ( talk) 08:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:GNG is the only criteria that applies. Its very clear. Simione001 ( talk) 08:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Simione001: You've nominated over 100 articles in the past few months and they seem to near-exclusively target those from just North Korea - a much underrepresented country whose sources are very difficult to find / use / etc. This systematic destruction of a nation's football history is rather annoying. Why? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Because they are terrible quality articles with next to zero information about the individual. If you actually looked into it, there a quite a few North Korean players which pass WP:GNG so to say this is some kind of systematic destruction of North Korean football is laughable. Simione001 ( talk) 23:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Henri Haupt

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet WP:GNG. Technically meets the requirements at WP:NTENNIS through his wildcard in a local tournament but has no accomplishments as a tennis player that indicate notability. Adamtt9 ( talk) 15:05, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Draftify - Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Draftify as it is WP:TOOSOON for an article. Not much WP:SIGCOV to be found at the moment. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Draftify - WP:TOOSOON applies and currently fails WP:GNG-- Wolbo ( talk) 11:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ekaterina Zaikina

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Absolutely fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete The subject definitely fails WP:NSKATE and I am struggling to find any coverage at all. For reference, the Cyrillic script transliteration of her name seems to be Екатерина Заикина. JTtheOG ( talk) 00:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The best I could find was this from Treize Mondial, which is only a couple of sentences. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - pro footballer who played in the Super League, sourced. Fleets ( talk) 07:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Undecided: Playes for Catalans and there should be more written about him. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete No significant coverage. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. J Mo 101 ( talk) 11:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Sylvan Anderton

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sportsperson stub. fails general notability guideline. ltb d l ( talk) 09:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment – The player appears to have a substantial number of appearances for Reading and Chelsea. I think it's a matter of WP:V. Svartner ( talk) 14:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep - clearly notable. Over 200 appearances in England's professional football league (verified by the Neil Brown source in the article sas well as sources like this), while a quick Google search brings up things like this and this which clearly indicate historical (read: offline) coverage. A lazy nomination. Giant Snowman 18:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
are those football cards? ltb d l ( talk) 12:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
...yes? Giant Snowman 07:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
football cards aren't reliable sources ltb d l ( talk) 11:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Has that ever been decided? I'd think if it were by a reputable company it would be reliable. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 23:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
that's crazy ltb d l ( talk) 06:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Football cards being reliable sources made me literally laugh out loud. AusLondonder ( talk) 07:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Why wouldn't a reputable card company be reliable? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:01, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
amazing. 10/10. no notes. ltb d l ( talk) 06:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
At no point have I claimed that football cards are reliable. I was merely suggesting that appearing on football cards - and, if you had bothered to Google him, all the other historical coverage at photo archives etc. - suggests there is coverage out there, which research by others below has supported. Giant Snowman 18:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep With the amount of games he played and the clubs he played for seems good enough, combined with GS sources above and probably much more WP:OFFLINESOURCES, this needs improvement for sure. Govvy ( talk) 18:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep More than 200 professional appearances for teams with deep, deep histories and legacies. This is very obvious. Clearly notable. Anwegmann ( talk) 23:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails GNG and lacks SIGCOV. An actual check of the newspapers.com archive finds nothing but mentions in match reports/transfer stories. He went on to play cricket for Bryant Rose Cricket Club and won the raffle four years in a row there but that is trivial stuff. NFOOTBALL has been depreciated since 2022 so any Keeps based on number of games played must be ignored by the closer. He isn't notable either for playing for some "notable" clubs per NOTINHERITED. Dougal18 ( talk) 10:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment I frequently see editors citing Wikipedia:But there must be sources! in AfDs for footballers with dozens of international caps. I'd like to see the same standard applied to footballers with "over 200 appearances in England's professional football league". How do football cards indicate offline coverage, @ GiantSnowman:? As Dougal18 points out so far it has not been demonstrated that SIGCOV exists. Robby.is.on ( talk) 11:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Mostly per Dougal18's reasoning. Footballers are not inherently notable - they need to meet WP:GNG. This is clear community consensus. Simply asserting that an individual played for notable teams is not a suitable AfD argument. If nothing can be found in newspaper archives, then he's not notable. Another point is this is little more than an infobox and a pseudo-biography. AusLondonder ( talk) 11:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
There seems to be a decent amount of newspaper coverage, although it is mostly brief-ish: see [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]. An argument could be made for WP:NBASIC, considering he seemed to have significant amount of appearances for prominent clubs. Not sure if that changes anyone's views: @ Ltbdl, AusLondonder, Dougal18, and Robby.is.on:? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Good research! Giant Snowman 07:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, per Dougal and AusLondoner. Football cards do not contribute to notability at all, and given passing mentions in match reports don't count towards even BASIC for modern players they shouldn't count for old players either. We don't have a single piece of the required IRS SIGCOV, so we have no valid justification for retaining this article. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment He also has a biographical entry in Chelsea The Complete Record: author: Rick Glanvill isbn: 9781909245303 also mentioned in The Little Book of Reading FC - 1920-2008 author: Alan Sedunary isbn: 9781780913711. There maybe more books with biographical information. Govvy ( talk) 13:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment Can you tell us what exactly is in those books? Dougal18 ( talk) 14:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Glanvill is Chelsea's official historian, he is not an independent source. JoelleJay ( talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Reply @ JoelleJay: That's not correct, nor is it proper to discredit him. Will you do the same for Historians who went to Oxford and Cambridge and write about those subjects? He is a published author and a reputable one at that. Please don't use this argument ever again on any credited club historian. Govvy ( talk) 22:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
He's literally hired by the club to write about club history. Of course he isn't independent. And if a historian is employed by Oxford to write about Oxford history then they aren't independent either. JoelleJay ( talk) 16:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ JoelleJay: Again you really have no idea, the Chelsea book is independent to the club, published by De Coubertin Books deCoubertin Books is a leading independent publisher, which publishes outstanding non-fiction titles predicated on high editorial and production values. We work with some of the biggest names in sport and sportswriting and our books have been nominated for numerous awards. Being hired by a club doesn't make the book published by the club. Also the link provided says he is the club historian, because he is the top of his field in the history for the club, at no time does that post on the Chelsea page say he is hired directly for them. The Reading book is published by Breedon Books Publishing Co Ltd and not Reading Football Club. These are both independent publishers to the clubs. I really don't understand why you feel these are primary sources when they are not remotely so. Govvy ( talk) 21:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Being an employee of the club (He has worked for all Chelsea FC's publications and media since 1993 and is the club's official historian.) means the person has a COI with the club, and this applies to material the person publishes through independent publishers (and obviously anything authored by the club would go through an external publisher; it's not like each club has its own book publishing house; the "Official Biography" of Chelsea that he penned ... for the club is through Headline Publishing Group). We'd consider a book authored by a relative of the subject to be non-independent regardless of where it's published; the same applies here. And what part of "the club's official historian", as recorded on the club's website, makes you think he's not working directly for them.....
I didn't say anything about primary sources. I said they are non-independent. JoelleJay ( talk) 22:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
This is like arguing that an 'official biographer' of a celebrity should be discredited...nonsense! Giant Snowman 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
An official biographer of a celebrity who was hired by that celebrity's talent agency should absolutely be discredited! JoelleJay ( talk) 01:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment - Sports cards are reliable sources stat-wise. KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep – For the arguments presented so far in the discussion. I see no reason to discredit a club historian, or sports cards, considering that the athlete played in the 50s and 60s. The sources presented by @ Govvy demonstrate credibility. Svartner ( talk) 21:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment Credibility of who? Dougal18 ( talk) 14:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The authors of mentioned books. Svartner ( talk) 15:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
So employees of the football club are somehow exempted from the NSPORT guidance saying Team sites and governing sports bodies are not considered independent of their players if they don't publish directly on the website?
The sports cards are completely trivial stats coverage. Why would they count? JoelleJay ( talk) 17:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. The delete arguments seem a bit WP:IDONTLIKEIT, in their attempts to discredit what seems like reasonable coverage. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 06:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Abdul Ameer

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This guy fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. A search seems to only one article with his name in it and it only covers him tangentially. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 23:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. I found several references using this search by focusing my search on Dawn.com, a leading English-language newspaper in Pakistan. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 05:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The sources here seem to all be tangential coverage of him playing for his team. The first hit isn't even of Abdul Ameer but of a M. Abdul Ameer who seems to be unrelated. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 13:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete too poor to stay on Wikipedia, not much to salvage around here. Acartonadooopo ( talk) 20:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Acartonadooopo, it's the English Wikipedia's rule that Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. It doesn't matter whether the current version of the article is "too poor to stay on Wikipedia", because the question here at AFD is whether the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia:Separate, stand-alone article. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 23:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of Karachi Kings cricketers Not sure I'm seeing enough in a search to suggest a WP:GNG pass, however there could well be offline coverage. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rugbyfan22 ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. Sources likely to exist in Pakistan; taking 100 first-class wickets is no mean feat. AA ( talk) 22:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
"Sources likely to exist" is a WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES argument. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 15:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Robin Brochon

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. It's possible I missed something, as Google had a good amount of hits, but really all that came up were interviews ( 1, 2) and post-match quotes ( 1, 2). JTtheOG ( talk) 19:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Professional footballer who made his Super League debut in 2018, and has made dozens of appearances for another professional club in France. Fleets ( talk) 09:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Fleets, this !vote rationale is invalid, as participation-based athlete criteria were deprecated 2 years ago and the existing requirement that athletes meet GNG was strengthened to require at least one SIGCOV IRS source be cited in the article from the start. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete—Per JT, news items would be the very least to qualify as RSs. Tony (talk) 11:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. Coverage is routine or primary/nonindependent in addition to being trivial. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Undecided: Played for Catalans and Toulouse and there should be more written about him. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Max Wirth (cyclist)

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lugnuts stub. fails notability guidelines for cyclists. ltb d l ( talk) 09:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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According to the German Wikipedia, he was a Swiss national champion in cycling and there's several offline sources which are referenced. Those should be checked, and also one should check Swiss newspaper archives, as it seems quite likely a nation's national cycling champion would be covered there. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I'm not sure if the Swiss Cycling Association is independent though? Let'srun ( talk) 12:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Hmmm... true. I was also just able to find what appears to be an online Swiss newspaper archive -- see here. I can't figure out how to get it to work, though... BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I narrowed down the search for you: { "Max Wirth" AND (Rad OR Velo)} and a little wither search: { "Max Wirth" AND (Rad* OR Velo*)} Maybe you'll find a good source. I have no time to do the search. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 ( talk) 19:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Phumza Mntungwa

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African cricketer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to List of Boland representative cricketers Looks to fail WP:GNG. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Sihle Magongoma

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African cricketer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to List of Eastern Province representative cricketers Looks to fail WP:GNG. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Tythan Adams

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep' There's this and a few other bits from his time in Scotland, just enough for a keep for me but close. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Maxime Jobe

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - professional footballer who played at the elite level, multiple sources to prove that fact. Fleets ( talk) 10:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. J Mo 101 ( talk) 11:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. No evidence of IRS SIGCOV, which is required to be cited in the article for all sportspeople. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Undecided (leaning keep/move to draft): Young Catalans player and will likely have more coverage later in his career. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
So you agree that there is not sufficient coverage? JTtheOG ( talk) 22:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Ewart Potgieter

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found a transactional announcement, as well as coverage of an alleged criminal incident in Spain ( 1, 2, etc.), but nothing substantial. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep Think there's just about enough in the Spanish coverage combined with other bits for a weak WP:GNG pass. No real suitable redirect per WP:ATD here though. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 08:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Andras de Lisocky

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Fails WP:NATHLETE, WP:GNG. Only source included is a WP:TRIVIALMENTION Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep, I think WP:NATHLETE is not the appropriate policy because de Lisocky is not a track and field sportsman, road racer, or cross country runner. De Lisocky is a gold medalist at a major international competition, so I do believe that we can be confident that contemporary coverage must exist. Finding those newspapers / other sources may be difficult, but we have to at least put in an effort. -- Habst ( talk) 13:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment. The Bolivarian Games is not a major international competition. It is a smaller event with 6 participating countries. The Pan American Games would be the major competition in this case. Geschichte ( talk) 17:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Anna Burtasova

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Person had no notability. Sources of dubious quality. Only one other source could be found, and it alone could not be enough to build an article upon. aaronneallucas ( talk) 04:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment "Sources of dubious quality"? They are all from FIDE, the ultimate reliable source for chess. Pam D 22:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Not dubious in the sense that they are unreliable, but they just do not establish notability. They are largely collections of statistics, and not articles about the person. None of the FIDE sources show significant coverage, which, as stated for the notability of sportspeople: "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject." This does not meet that, and I cannot find any evidence of significant coverage of this person. aaronneallucas ( talk) 23:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: No WP:SIGCOV is present here or elsewhere for this subject to meet the GNG. The sources are either primary, unreliable, or in the case of the NYT is a brief mention. Let'srun ( talk) 18:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. No SIGCOV. Passing mentions such as those in the NYT and The Globe and Mail do not contribute to notability, nor do non-independent primary sources like FIDE. JoelleJay ( talk) 22:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment Burtasova does hold the title of Woman grandmaster, perhaps there is someone move familiar with WP:NCHESS who can comment on notability requirements for chess players beyond WP:GNG. I realize this is not a delete/keep statement, but just a thought. DaffodilOcean ( talk) 12:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Subject meets WP:NCHESS criteria #1 and #6. Respectively, Burtasova is a chess grandmaster, and has contributed to the development of chess in Canada.^[1] - The Gnome ( talk) 15:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Note that Woman Grandmaster is a lesser title than Grandmaster. The requirements are slightly tougher than those for FIDE Master and slightly easier than those for International Master. Also, the WP:NCHESS criteria are strictly unofficial. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 11:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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^ Rosner, Cecil (26 November 2022). "Toronto chess club hires resident female grandmaster to attract more women to the game". Toronto Globe and Mail. Retrieved 23 April 2024.

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Weak keep: Also have this article [14] about this person. I think we have just enough to squeak past notability. This interview on CBC just a few days ago [15], while not about her confirms basic details, and this other story about her hired by a Toronto club [16]. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep as per Oaktree's references. That's two different articles in the nation's biggest national paper - plus the local foreign one in a New York city paper. Nfitz ( talk) 16:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: on the basis of WP:NCHESS.-- Ipigott ( talk) 11:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. As Nfitz notes, the sources Oaktree b found, from independent periodicals, provide the coverage in independent reliable sources that WP:GNG guides us to find. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 08:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Kauvaka Kaivelata

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep There's a few bits in the article and in a search to suggest coverage is increasing, especially with the players career just starting to kick off. I'd imagine there will be a couple more bits coming in the near future, so perhaps could be draftifyed, but I think worth keeping and expanding as likely the draft will just be deleted. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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McKenzie Buckley

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the folllowing article as he is a member of the same team ( St Helens R.F.C.) who also fails to meet WP:SPORTBASIC:

Ben Lane (rugby league) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Keep - Professional rugby league footballer who has played football at the elite level. 5 sources related to his football career. Fleets ( talk) 17:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. J Mo 101 ( talk) 11:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Doesn't appear as if he is currently playing, one pro aperance isn't sufficient. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - Only routine coverage aka signings and game reports, WP:SPORTBASIC. Other keep votes here should be discounted for making no mention of source depth. BrigadierG ( talk) 01:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak keep - Five sources, even if none of them are specific to the subject, and the fact that most other team members have their own articles as well. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 01:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

GNG requires in-depth coverage. Mere mentions in sources do not suffice. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I'm well aware, but if you want to be strict with that an AFD should be made for George Delaney, Ben Lane (rugby league), and other members of the St. Helens team as many only have passing or list mentions.

Buckley and others have their only specific mention on the rugby league project website, which isn't very in-depth as you said. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 01:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes, yes they should. If you fling 100 non-notable stubs onto Wikipedia, you can't then also defend them from deletion by pointing out that the other 99 still exist. BrigadierG ( talk) 01:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Bundled the two others I mentioned who fall under the same deletion criteria with this AFD. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 01:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Did you do a WP:BEFORE search? Articles should probably be nominated individually anyways, which I was reminded of two days ago. JTtheOG ( talk) 02:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes, though looking at that previous AFD I'll retract the nomination for Delaney for now as he seems to have slightly more content than the other two, though still nothing in-depth. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 02:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
You need to use the additional nominations template or else it messes up the closure process. BrigadierG ( talk) 02:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It's there right below the initial nomination. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 02:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

For what it's worth, I was also unable to find any coverage of Ben Lane. JTtheOG ( talk) 03:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Procedural Keep for Ben Lane per WP:BUNDLE. Nominating another article after several editors have already commented in this AfD is not appropriate. J Mo 101 ( talk) 12:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. No evidence of meeting SPORTCRIT. The Ben Lane AfD should occur separately but I'd !vote delete there too. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Michael Amiras

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found this transactional announcement and this interview. JTtheOG ( talk) 16:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep Along with the interview provided, there's also this, just about enough for a WP:GNG pass. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Foday Sillah

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The title and status he has earned are not encyclopedic. Redivy ( talk) 21:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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It is inappropriate to call one of the best athletes from an African nation as "not encyclopedic"; whether we can find the coverage to demonstrate notability, that will be another story. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 23:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete: I don't see coverage about a person with this name, a few hits on a school in The Gambia with this name. Happy to revisit if others can turn up sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment - nominator needs to familiarize themselves with WP:NOTENCYCLOPEDIC. Low effort nominations like this are going to be thrown out whether the subject is notable or not. Sergecross73 msg me 00:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep based on Sergecross73's comment, Low effort nominations like this are going to be thrown out whether the subject is notable or not. I was able to find a lot of verifiable information about this person that was not mentioned at all in the nominated article or nomination statement, including his exploits at the World U20 championships where he was the highest-placing male Sierra Leonean athlete ever, he was actually a two-time Olympian and not just at the 1992 Olympics, and he has a still-standing national record at 200 metres. Finding contemporary African news reports from this period is difficult, but I believe there is enough evidence here to know that further coverage exists. -- Habst ( talk) 17:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. The information can often, as well as in this case, be found via What Links Here. It still needs non-database sources Geschichte ( talk) 06:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

FWIW I don't think anyone, besides maybe some people who are already editors, looks up people without articles here and then finds and clicks "what links here" to find information about them. A standalone article is much more beneficial to readers, as that way we get both the bare information one would get from a table-link-mention and plenty of other interesting, additional details explained with context. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Geschichte, thanks for bringing this up. Not all of the information could be found via What Links Here, for example the fact that Sillah's World U20 performance was the best by any Sierra Leonean. Also, if the article were to be deleted, the standard practice is then that any links to the article would be un-linked per WP:REDLINK ("Red links should not be made to articles deleted because the topic was judged unencyclopedic or lacking notability"), meaning that Special:WhatLinksHere would be useless (text searches are not reliable because they could include people with the same name) and much of this structured data would essentially be lost to history. -- Habst ( talk) 17:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@ BeanieFan11 My point was about using What Links Here for nominators (and other editors). The reason why Lugnuts' articles were so horrible, was that they typically mention competing in a single Olympic event, where the athlete's career often had much more longevity. Geschichte ( talk) 20:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong Keep, as the article stands today it seems enough for the article to not be deleted. Themanwithnowifi ( talk) 15:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. The nomination statement notwithstanding, not a single source with significant coverage has been located. Sillah wasn't that high-ranking as an athlete that we can jettison the demand for sources because we think WP:ITSINTERESTING. Geschichte ( talk) 20:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Geschichte, there is no deadline for Wikipedia. I believe the info we know about Sillah is conclusive that coverage must exist of him based on his accomplishments making him the best in his country, but it's a matter of having access to the African sources from the 90s that would have covered him. Scans of these may become available in 1, 10, or 20 years – that's why WP:NEXISTS is a policy, to allow for time to get the sources. But saying to drafty in this case is essentially saying to delete the article in 6 months, because most drafts are abandoned. What do you think? -- Habst ( talk) 20:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Sorry, I was responding to an older version of the reply that was a draftify vote. It was edited to Comment after I started writing my reply. -- Habst ( talk) 22:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Habst, I think there is a good reason why the rule about coverage was added. The days when articles could be built solely on databases and primary sources are over, we have to face that. Geschichte ( talk) 07:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Geschichte, thank you, which rule are you referring to? I am open to deleting this and any other page based on a rule, but I just can't see what is being violated. I've edited Wikipedia both before and after WP:NSPORTS2022, and it does not invalidate WP:NEXIST. Respectfully, -- Habst ( talk) 10:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
NEXIST = grasping at straws. You personally think there are lots of significant coverage about this and that person, but that doesn't make it true and how likely it is varies a lot. For a person like Nikolay Antonov, it was overwhelmingly likely, but here - with the highlights being an U20 performance and a slow indoor record - it is nowhere near as likely. Geschichte ( talk) 08:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Geschichte, thanks for your perspective because I think the challenge is important. NEXIST isn't grasping at straws; the idea that we can know that coverage exists based on depth of accomplishments is the entire basis of subject-specific notability guidelines existing. Yes, it was used successfully on Nikolay Atanasov, but it has also been used successfully in other cases such as Abdou Manzo, understanding that Sillah's 200m record (1069 pts) is actually better than Manzo's record (924 pts).

Also, I think that the subject is being sold short on likeliness of coverage. Sillah was, at a time, the best sprinter in Sierra Leone, a country of 8 million people. In order to be selected for all these international teams, he had to have won some sort of national championship or proven himself on the national level. The likelihood that there is no contemporary coverage of this person existing in the world is, in my opinion, impossible. -- Habst ( talk) 13:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Irie Papuni

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Given his age and ongoing career, draftification seems to be a good ATD. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep Think there's enough in the article, plus a search for a weak keep here. Draftification is a suitable WP:ATD if deemed not also . Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found plenty of trivial mentions, both in English ( The Yorkshire Post, Sky Sports, Warrington Guardian) and French ( Le Petit Journal, L'Indépendant, La Dépêche), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - French international rugby league footballer who has played as a professional in the Super League for the Catalans Dragons on a number of occasions. Additionally as per the cited sources has played as a professional for Toulouse Olympique and at international level for France B, as well as the full national side. Fleets ( talk) 14:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Have you got any WP:SIGCOV? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep/Move to draft: Young Catalans player, will likely have more written about him in the future. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Josh Maree

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Rugby League footballer who played for Lebanon at the Rugby League World. 8 sources. Fleets ( talk) 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The quality of the sources has to be addressed. Geschichte ( talk) 06:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Redirecting to 2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup squads is an WP:ATD. On that page, one will find his club and cap count at the time (I don't know why rugby doesn't put DoB as well, like football squads). @ JTtheOG, note that several other of the Lebanese 2021 World Cup pages are of the exact same build as Josh Maree. Geschichte ( talk) 06:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - Played in a team that got to a WC QF, nothing is written about his club career, needs expansion. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect per above. No evidence of the requisite GNG coverage, merely playing in some league does not meet any notability criterion. JoelleJay ( talk) 01:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Kyle Brazell

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian cricketer player, to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that I found were 1 and 2, both from the same publication. JTtheOG ( talk) 04:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep I'd say there's enough in those sources to keep the article for now, given the player has only debuted this season as there will likely be more coverage in the coming future. Wouldn't be against draftifying, but also a suitable redirect at List of South Australian representative cricketers also, so two suitable WP:ATDs. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 08:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep I think 1 and 2 are something which cover independently about the subject, plus there are other refs in the article. These can be considered as enough, since the player debuted just in this season, more coverage is likely to come in future if he continues playing. In terms of SNGs, it meets WP:NCRIC as well. Robo^Cric Let's chat 05:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
- The South Australian Cricket Association and Cricket Australia are not independent of the subject. The former directly administers the South Australia cricket team that he plays on, and is affiliated with the latter. Given his young age, I support draftification as an ATD, as well as the redirect suggested by Rugbyfan22. JTtheOG ( talk) 05:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  Although, they cover directly about the subject, the problem is that those are primary sources. Those contain useful information, so I linked those. However, apart from these two, I guess this is a secondary source which discusses about the topic, his education qualification and also his performance. I just wanted to say that since he debuted in this season, all these can be considered enough for a keep. Anyway, if the consensus reached by other editors is not to keep it, then I'll agree with a redirect. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 11:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
~~Draftify~~, not enough independent secondary material to meet GNG but there may be in the near future.
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Keep. Inclined to agree with Rugbyfan22 on this one. AA ( talk) 22:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Either keep or redirect to the list of SA cricketers. Drafting this serves zero benefit really - it'll just end up getting deleted as no one will remember the draft is there. If there's not enough coverage for now then redirecting is the normal response in situations such as this - much easier to reverse a redirect and restore the page before adding the additional sources that are likely to appear if he continues to play. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 08:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: To better summarize the sources in question, there are a couple sentences of coverage here, though it's mostly quotes, and four-ish sentences of coverage here. Both are from The Advertiser so they should be counted as one source. JTtheOG ( talk) 04:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Draftification would be an option, but this is a re-creation of an existing draft. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Professional rugby league footballer who made his professional debut in 2023, played the other day against fellow top level side Warrington in the Challenge Cup. Multiple sources within the article. Fleets ( talk) 19:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
- Sources 1 and 2 are stats databases, while the next four are trivial mentions of the subject. BLPs require strong sourcing, which is why I draftified it the first time. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:41, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - Currently playing in the top tier with five appearances and will likely gain more. Currently borderline on notability for me but will likely be recreated if deleated. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. He might be notable in the future but that would be speculating. Re-create if and when he plays a few more games and more sources are likely to exist. J Mo 101 ( talk) 17:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. Sources are exclusively namedrops, zero coverage here. Arguments to keep based only on his appearing in a particular league are strictly invalid per SPORTSBASIC. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of London Broncos players. Fails GNG as there is no SIGCOV. References are routine coverage and stats databases. Frank Anchor 01:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment - two further news sources added referencing academy days, move into first team, and first appearance of the 2024 season. Fleets ( talk) 11:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: Young player, will likely have more written in the near future, 8 refs already. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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@ J Mo 101: @ JoelleJay: Would y'all consider a redirect to List of London Broncos players to be a better alternative? JTtheOG ( talk) 02:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Seems sensible. I would have no problem with that. J Mo 101 ( talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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[1] Rosner, Cecil (26 November 2022). "Toronto chess club hires resident female grandmaster to attract more women to the game". Toronto Globe and Mail. Retrieved 23 April 2024.

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