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Hi CNMall41,
You recently declined my draft for an article about Areil Elkin, and I'd like to see how I can improve the article so it gets approved.
The note you left me says 'This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject"- but I believe they do - there is a newspaper article that is explicitly about Elkin and his actions after placing 3rd - the Times of Israel is published, reliable and secondary. There is also an in depth interview that is exclusively with Elkin from Kartcom, another published, reliable and secondary. source, What else should I do? Is it adding more of these source?
I modeled this article on another F4 racer's article Tina Hausmann, whcih uses very similar sources - is it just a matter of adding more of them?
Any guidance would be appreciated Kentucky Rain24 ( talk) 20:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the draft creation. It looks good but still needs to show how the subject is notable. In order to do so, there needs to be
WP:SIGCOV as part of
WP:GNG. The only article that would come close would be the one from Times of Israel and that looks more like promotion than independent coverage. The rest are general announcements, interviews, or race stats. For
Tina Hausmann, I would not suggest using another Wikipedia as a standard for notability. Maybe for the layout and manual of style but
WP:OSE specifically states that another page existing does not make something similar notable. It looks like the page for Hausmann may also be non-notable as it was previously deleted, just recently re-created, and the sourcing also does not appear to be significant coverage. Hope this helps. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 23:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. I am puzzled by "the one from Times of Israel and that looks more like promotion than independent coverage."- it is straightforward news coverage of an event, by an independent journalist working for a mainstream news outlet. Am I missing something?
Kentucky Rain24 (
talk) 01:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Who is the journalist? It was
WP:ROUTINE news coverage and part of
WP:CHURNALISM coverage also found
here and
here. One article states they took the information from the subject's social media account so there is nothing that shows editorial oversight. I believe the reference would be discounted heavily in a deletion discussion. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 17:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- The article is bylined 'TOI Staff - i think this is quite common in newspaper coverage, see for example this for the Wall Street Journal [ https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/whats-ahead-for-work-1e26f40c] or this from the Washington Post [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2023/12/07/washington-post-staff-walkout-strike-labor/
- I don't see how this would be routine coverage , which is "routine news coverage of such things as announcements...Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs, and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine." if the story was simply a report of the race results it would qualify as "routine" - but in this case there is a non-routine news story - a podium winner that chose not to follow protocol despite being asked to, and instead of raising his trophy, raised a helmet as a way to create awareness for hostages,
- I can't comment on the other articles you found, and I don't really see what they have to do with my draft, as I did not use them, Surely you are not suggesting the Times of Israel has no editorial oversight? https://www.timesofisrael.com/about/ Kentucky Rain24 ( talk) 01:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Who is the journalist? It was
WP:ROUTINE news coverage and part of
WP:CHURNALISM coverage also found
here and
here. One article states they took the information from the subject's social media account so there is nothing that shows editorial oversight. I believe the reference would be discounted heavily in a deletion discussion. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 17:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. I am puzzled by "the one from Times of Israel and that looks more like promotion than independent coverage."- it is straightforward news coverage of an event, by an independent journalist working for a mainstream news outlet. Am I missing something?
Kentucky Rain24 (
talk) 01:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I resubmitted the draft since i believe this is a mistake, please see all sources and I can add more in Hebrew. Thanks Li-reg ( talk) 20:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure exactly what you mean by mistake but resubmission without discussion is never a good idea. I will leave a note for reviewers if you are in fact just looking for a second opinion. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 23:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note left so that it doesn't get denied simply for not being improved. In the meantime, I would suggest to fix the referencing issues as there is content that is not supported by references which is not something you want to do when it comes to a BLP. I see it is in queue again so another reviewer should come around shortly. Cheers! -- CNMall41 ( talk) 23:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi. I just draftified your article, mistaking you for a new user and reading it as promotional. Are you happy to move it to the correct title yourself? Deb ( talk) 08:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ Deb:, Thanks, Deb. Completely understand why someone would think that. The majority of the references show that the company was well known but best known for its branding and marketing. Thanks for deleting the redirect. I went a head and moved it to that title. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 18:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello CNMall41,
Thank you for reviewing my draft. Unfortunately I see that you think the subject may not be important enough based on my references. However, while there are no high profiles articles about it on global media since the market itself is rather small, the company is indeed a global leader with a huge market share, a lucrative stock, and of course a lot of coverage in Hebrew media on every step they do. Given all that I do think they are worthy of the article. So I wanted to consult with you, what do you think can help the draft to get an approval?
עידו כ.ש. ( talk) 09:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- I can't seem to ping your UN so simply replying. I left a note on the delince with a link to the relevant referencing guideline. Please start at WP:ORGCRIT for references that would be acceptable to show notability. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 18:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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COI at Draft:Syedhwan
Nice honey-pot:) I've now blocked a second /24 that was plaguing that and related articles. I'm not a checkuser so I can't provide any technical connection to accounts. DMacks ( talk) 03:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the block. As smart as they think they are, they sure do leave a lot of breadcrumbs. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 04:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Your draft article, User:Latevidyasagar047/sandbox
Hello, CNMall41. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, " sandbox".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 16:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Believe this was meant for Latevidyasagar047. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 18:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi there, I'd appreciate some feedback on this article Jasmin Bajwa. I believe it doesn't meet WP:GNG due to a lack of in-depth coverage on the subject. I've added the "More Citations Needed" and "Notability" templates, but the author and an IP user keep removing them, this is not a big problem. Could you offer some advice as a more experienced editor? Thanks! Grabup ( talk) 10:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- There is definitely something going on with regards to UPE, SPI, or LOUTSOCKing. Following the bread crumbs from the recently uploaded image will tell you more. As far as notability, it looks like a borderline case. There is this which while promotional in tone, has a byline and there is no indication it falls under NEWSORGINDIA so that would be at least one acceptable source. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 19:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that you keep an eye on my edits, thanks for that. First of all, I wrote the articles, so I am responsible for them. If you have a personal grudge against this article or its actor, take it out somewhere else. This is not the place to vent your anger.
(1) This kind of page/article is not the only one, you can see similar articles of other actors, for example Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan, Saif Ali Khan, Tom Cruise or Leonardo DiCaprio.
(2) To have so many Wikipedians on Wikipedia, and nobody's eyes are wrong, only your eyes are wrong?
So, to make major edits, you must discuss in the talk section. Otherwise your edits will(must) be undone. thank you নবাব ( talk) 12:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't "keep an eye" on your edits. They appear on my watchlist as most of the pages you have created were recently deleted because they were done by a blocked or banned user. I have a personal grudge against undisclosed paid editing which you are likely engaging in so don't go down the "personal grudge" role. I will just state that WP:ONUS is on YOU to discuss, not me. Feel free to do so but also please take my conduct to WP:ANI if you feel I have overstepped in any way. In fact, I invited it. As far as "will (must) be undone," I call bullshit. You are basically saying you would rather engage in an edit war than follow an established policy. Do as you will but remember all actions have consequences. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 19:02, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Draft for Chip Merlin
Hello! You recently denied my draft for the article on Chip Merlin. I'm having difficulty understanding why and was hoping for some guidance. Merlin's quickly become a darling of the boat racing world over the past seven years, and the story of him making this late-in-life transition from attorney to yacht racer has been written up on a number of boating websites and in boating magazines, many of which I've cited. Within the yact racing world, it's almost impossible to run across someone who follows the sport and doesn't know his story or the story of the Merlin S/V; I feel like this is perhaps a case of an editor not being familiar with the subject matter and therefore not realizing the notability? Any advice would be appreciated. Sailbanshee ( talk) 18:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
You recently declined my article Draft:Rachel_Cowan stating "References are made up of mostly obituaries. Is there anything that talks about her in-depth prior to that time?". A few days ago I made enough Wikipedia edits to have free access to Newspaper archives and have added references from the New York Daily News, Miami Herald, The News Journal (Wilmington, DE), St. Cloud Times all of which discuss her and her work. I also added a book review from the NYTimes. I'd appreciate better understanding how many citations are enough to establish notability for a Wikipedia page. Thanks. Nnev66 ( talk) 21:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi CNMall41,
You recently declined my draft for an article about Areil Elkin, and I'd like to see how I can improve the article so it gets approved.
The note you left me says 'This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject"- but I believe they do - there is a newspaper article that is explicitly about Elkin and his actions after placing 3rd - the Times of Israel is published, reliable and secondary. There is also an in depth interview that is exclusively with Elkin from Kartcom, another published, reliable and secondary. source, What else should I do? Is it adding more of these source?
I modeled this article on another F4 racer's article Tina Hausmann, whcih uses very similar sources - is it just a matter of adding more of them?
Any guidance would be appreciated Kentucky Rain24 ( talk) 20:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the draft creation. It looks good but still needs to show how the subject is notable. In order to do so, there needs to be
WP:SIGCOV as part of
WP:GNG. The only article that would come close would be the one from Times of Israel and that looks more like promotion than independent coverage. The rest are general announcements, interviews, or race stats. For
Tina Hausmann, I would not suggest using another Wikipedia as a standard for notability. Maybe for the layout and manual of style but
WP:OSE specifically states that another page existing does not make something similar notable. It looks like the page for Hausmann may also be non-notable as it was previously deleted, just recently re-created, and the sourcing also does not appear to be significant coverage. Hope this helps. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 23:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. I am puzzled by "the one from Times of Israel and that looks more like promotion than independent coverage."- it is straightforward news coverage of an event, by an independent journalist working for a mainstream news outlet. Am I missing something?
Kentucky Rain24 (
talk) 01:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Who is the journalist? It was
WP:ROUTINE news coverage and part of
WP:CHURNALISM coverage also found
here and
here. One article states they took the information from the subject's social media account so there is nothing that shows editorial oversight. I believe the reference would be discounted heavily in a deletion discussion. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 17:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- The article is bylined 'TOI Staff - i think this is quite common in newspaper coverage, see for example this for the Wall Street Journal [ https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/whats-ahead-for-work-1e26f40c] or this from the Washington Post [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2023/12/07/washington-post-staff-walkout-strike-labor/
- I don't see how this would be routine coverage , which is "routine news coverage of such things as announcements...Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs, and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine." if the story was simply a report of the race results it would qualify as "routine" - but in this case there is a non-routine news story - a podium winner that chose not to follow protocol despite being asked to, and instead of raising his trophy, raised a helmet as a way to create awareness for hostages,
- I can't comment on the other articles you found, and I don't really see what they have to do with my draft, as I did not use them, Surely you are not suggesting the Times of Israel has no editorial oversight? https://www.timesofisrael.com/about/ Kentucky Rain24 ( talk) 01:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Who is the journalist? It was
WP:ROUTINE news coverage and part of
WP:CHURNALISM coverage also found
here and
here. One article states they took the information from the subject's social media account so there is nothing that shows editorial oversight. I believe the reference would be discounted heavily in a deletion discussion. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 17:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. I am puzzled by "the one from Times of Israel and that looks more like promotion than independent coverage."- it is straightforward news coverage of an event, by an independent journalist working for a mainstream news outlet. Am I missing something?
Kentucky Rain24 (
talk) 01:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I resubmitted the draft since i believe this is a mistake, please see all sources and I can add more in Hebrew. Thanks Li-reg ( talk) 20:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure exactly what you mean by mistake but resubmission without discussion is never a good idea. I will leave a note for reviewers if you are in fact just looking for a second opinion. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 23:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note left so that it doesn't get denied simply for not being improved. In the meantime, I would suggest to fix the referencing issues as there is content that is not supported by references which is not something you want to do when it comes to a BLP. I see it is in queue again so another reviewer should come around shortly. Cheers! -- CNMall41 ( talk) 23:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Looks more like a script error as this was moving someone else's AfC submission from their sandbox to Draft:Daniel Gómez Pérez. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 02:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi. I just draftified your article, mistaking you for a new user and reading it as promotional. Are you happy to move it to the correct title yourself? Deb ( talk) 08:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ Deb:, Thanks, Deb. Completely understand why someone would think that. The majority of the references show that the company was well known but best known for its branding and marketing. Thanks for deleting the redirect. I went a head and moved it to that title. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 18:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello CNMall41,
Thank you for reviewing my draft. Unfortunately I see that you think the subject may not be important enough based on my references. However, while there are no high profiles articles about it on global media since the market itself is rather small, the company is indeed a global leader with a huge market share, a lucrative stock, and of course a lot of coverage in Hebrew media on every step they do. Given all that I do think they are worthy of the article. So I wanted to consult with you, what do you think can help the draft to get an approval?
עידו כ.ש. ( talk) 09:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- I can't seem to ping your UN so simply replying. I left a note on the delince with a link to the relevant referencing guideline. Please start at WP:ORGCRIT for references that would be acceptable to show notability. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 18:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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COI at Draft:Syedhwan
Nice honey-pot:) I've now blocked a second /24 that was plaguing that and related articles. I'm not a checkuser so I can't provide any technical connection to accounts. DMacks ( talk) 03:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the block. As smart as they think they are, they sure do leave a lot of breadcrumbs. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 04:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Your draft article, User:Latevidyasagar047/sandbox
Hello, CNMall41. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, " sandbox".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 16:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Believe this was meant for Latevidyasagar047. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 18:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi there, I'd appreciate some feedback on this article Jasmin Bajwa. I believe it doesn't meet WP:GNG due to a lack of in-depth coverage on the subject. I've added the "More Citations Needed" and "Notability" templates, but the author and an IP user keep removing them, this is not a big problem. Could you offer some advice as a more experienced editor? Thanks! Grabup ( talk) 10:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- There is definitely something going on with regards to UPE, SPI, or LOUTSOCKing. Following the bread crumbs from the recently uploaded image will tell you more. As far as notability, it looks like a borderline case. There is this which while promotional in tone, has a byline and there is no indication it falls under NEWSORGINDIA so that would be at least one acceptable source. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 19:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that you keep an eye on my edits, thanks for that. First of all, I wrote the articles, so I am responsible for them. If you have a personal grudge against this article or its actor, take it out somewhere else. This is not the place to vent your anger.
(1) This kind of page/article is not the only one, you can see similar articles of other actors, for example Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan, Saif Ali Khan, Tom Cruise or Leonardo DiCaprio.
(2) To have so many Wikipedians on Wikipedia, and nobody's eyes are wrong, only your eyes are wrong?
So, to make major edits, you must discuss in the talk section. Otherwise your edits will(must) be undone. thank you নবাব ( talk) 12:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't "keep an eye" on your edits. They appear on my watchlist as most of the pages you have created were recently deleted because they were done by a blocked or banned user. I have a personal grudge against undisclosed paid editing which you are likely engaging in so don't go down the "personal grudge" role. I will just state that WP:ONUS is on YOU to discuss, not me. Feel free to do so but also please take my conduct to WP:ANI if you feel I have overstepped in any way. In fact, I invited it. As far as "will (must) be undone," I call bullshit. You are basically saying you would rather engage in an edit war than follow an established policy. Do as you will but remember all actions have consequences. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 19:02, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Draft for Chip Merlin
Hello! You recently denied my draft for the article on Chip Merlin. I'm having difficulty understanding why and was hoping for some guidance. Merlin's quickly become a darling of the boat racing world over the past seven years, and the story of him making this late-in-life transition from attorney to yacht racer has been written up on a number of boating websites and in boating magazines, many of which I've cited. Within the yact racing world, it's almost impossible to run across someone who follows the sport and doesn't know his story or the story of the Merlin S/V; I feel like this is perhaps a case of an editor not being familiar with the subject matter and therefore not realizing the notability? Any advice would be appreciated. Sailbanshee ( talk) 18:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
You recently declined my article Draft:Rachel_Cowan stating "References are made up of mostly obituaries. Is there anything that talks about her in-depth prior to that time?". A few days ago I made enough Wikipedia edits to have free access to Newspaper archives and have added references from the New York Daily News, Miami Herald, The News Journal (Wilmington, DE), St. Cloud Times all of which discuss her and her work. I also added a book review from the NYTimes. I'd appreciate better understanding how many citations are enough to establish notability for a Wikipedia page. Thanks. Nnev66 ( talk) 21:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)