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Antioch Pizza
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Fails WP:NCORP. Entirely primary sources and no independent coverage. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 20:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies, Florida, Illinois, and Wisconsin. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Inclined to Wikipedia:Draftify instead. It's fairly new, and a quick search turned up articles from the Chicago Tribune, among others (new to this, unsure if external links are allowed here). I think this could be notable, just needs a little more time in the oven. TJS808 ( talk) 21:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Delete The Tribune article is the only source of good GNG to satisfy WP:NCORP, the Milwaukee Business Times is unknown in its reliability as a source (though willing to change if proven). Besides if there are more sources published, Wiki is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL; this article can be recreated. Conyo14 ( talk) 22:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak DeleteThe citations presented are not enough. Yolandagonzales ( talk) 21:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
WAST-LP
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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r ( talk) 01:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I have added several references, most offline to NewsBank (Duluth paper is some of the hardest to obtain anywhere — that can be said of any Forum Communications paper!). There is SIGCOV of its very short-lived news operation. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Each of the sources added by Sammi provide the WP:SIGCOV needed for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 04:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More review of new sources would be welcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 06:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Jane Brunson Marks
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Regretfully I can't find any evidence she meets WP:GNG. There is no obituary of her death in 1969 or anything about her life except for the 1928 book that has her as president of a Burbank club (not notable enough for its own article), which was not a national position. —Kaliforniyka Hi! 17:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. I tried to find some references to establish notability but it came up blank. W C M email 18:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing in Ebscohost search, nothing on Scholar, no indication that she ever did anything of any encyclopaedic interest or importance, just barely scrapes past WP:A7 as president of a women's club. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 20:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:ANYBIO in spades; no persistent coverage (main source from 1928; most recent source, 1970: a passing mention, inadequate for the paragraph it supposedly supports). More broadly fails GNG. No redirect to Woman's Club of Burbank is possible, and the umbrella page (unsurprisingly) mentions neither Burbank nor Marks. ——Serial Number 54129 17:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Weakkeep I think there are some naming issues which may make searching for content difficult on this person. When I searched for "Jane Brunson Marks" in neswpapers.com nothing came up, but when I looked for just "Jane Marks" thousands of articles popped up and I ultimately was able to find her obituary in the Los Angeles Times from searching under that name. I think it likely that there will be more sources under "Jane Marks" but it will be difficult to sort out her between the many other women of that name. I'm loathe to delete an article with a biographical entry in a reference work on American women. The 1928 source is a strong indicator of notability on its own. If we had just one more source of this type it would be a clear keep. Given the name search challenge, I prefer to err on the side of caution and keep the article. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)- To add to this, I found a reference speaking about her father in which his children with Effie Fox are "Jennie and Clair", so there may be sources where's she's referred to by the nickname Jennie. ForsythiaJo ( talk) 23:56, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep on the strength of the recently-added references. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Aside from the "Women of the West" (an early who's-who) the other sources show (at best) that she existed. There's no plausible claim for notability. 128.252.210.1 ( talk) 19:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Any more comments on the quality of additions since the article's nomination?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Nothing in Gbooks, Gnewspapers, or over at the Library of Congress newspaper archive. The book from 1928 is biographical, but I don't really see why she's notable for our purposes, active social life/helping others, but that's not quite enough for our notability guidelines. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to sharing 4meter4's sense that inclusion in biographical reference works is a reasonable heuristic for encyclopedic relevance, I find the additional sourcing discovered since the deletion discussion was first opened persuasive. To the sentiment that Marks's position wasn't sufficiently notable for Wikipedia, my impression from WP:GNG is that notability is determined not by the perceived prestige of a position but by coverage in sources. Coverage from biographers/journalists/historians/etc. is what confers notability, whether on a king or club woman. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 08:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing found that meets
WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Mentions are not indepth coverage. //
Timothy ::
talk 17:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- What constitutes a mention or what is coverage in certain cases is probably a matter unlikely to achieve universal consensus; to at least explain why I see significant coverage, I'll mention that I find persuasive
this essay's observation:
An example is that a paragraph-long obituary of a scientist in a respected non-local national newspaper will be treated as more conducive of significant coverage than a paragraph-long obituary of an un-elected politician in a respected non-local national newspaper
. A short obituary about an unelected politician in the Los Angeles Times doesn't convey as much significance as an obituary of the same length about a club woman like Jane Marks does, as such figures are less likely in general than politicians to get such obituaries at all. Also, WP:OHW guides my reading of the Women of the West entry; as a biographical dictionary, it has a compressed formatthat conveys more information in fewer words
. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 18:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- What constitutes a mention or what is coverage in certain cases is probably a matter unlikely to achieve universal consensus; to at least explain why I see significant coverage, I'll mention that I find persuasive
this essay's observation:
- Keep In addition to the already added/pointed out sources, many more exist. I found several in Newspaperarchive.com via the Wikipedia library after multiple revised searches, given that she was known or written about under different names, more sources are likely to exist. Not all sources need to be SIG/in-depth coverage. But along with a few in-depth sources present in the article already, these brief mentions indicate she was a known figure regardless of the significance of her work or positions. X ( talk) 00:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
| Points of interest related to
Wisconsin on Wikipedia: Outline – History – Portal – Category – WikiProject – Alerts – Deletions – Stubs – Assessment |
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Antioch Pizza
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Fails WP:NCORP. Entirely primary sources and no independent coverage. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 20:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies, Florida, Illinois, and Wisconsin. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Inclined to Wikipedia:Draftify instead. It's fairly new, and a quick search turned up articles from the Chicago Tribune, among others (new to this, unsure if external links are allowed here). I think this could be notable, just needs a little more time in the oven. TJS808 ( talk) 21:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Delete The Tribune article is the only source of good GNG to satisfy WP:NCORP, the Milwaukee Business Times is unknown in its reliability as a source (though willing to change if proven). Besides if there are more sources published, Wiki is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL; this article can be recreated. Conyo14 ( talk) 22:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak DeleteThe citations presented are not enough. Yolandagonzales ( talk) 21:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
WAST-LP
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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r ( talk) 01:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Wisconsin. Mvcg66b3r ( talk) 01:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I have added several references, most offline to NewsBank (Duluth paper is some of the hardest to obtain anywhere — that can be said of any Forum Communications paper!). There is SIGCOV of its very short-lived news operation. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Each of the sources added by Sammi provide the WP:SIGCOV needed for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 04:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More review of new sources would be welcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 06:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Jane Brunson Marks
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Regretfully I can't find any evidence she meets WP:GNG. There is no obituary of her death in 1969 or anything about her life except for the 1928 book that has her as president of a Burbank club (not notable enough for its own article), which was not a national position. —Kaliforniyka Hi! 17:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. —Kaliforniyka Hi! 17:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I tried to find some references to establish notability but it came up blank. W C M email 18:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing in Ebscohost search, nothing on Scholar, no indication that she ever did anything of any encyclopaedic interest or importance, just barely scrapes past WP:A7 as president of a women's club. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 20:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:ANYBIO in spades; no persistent coverage (main source from 1928; most recent source, 1970: a passing mention, inadequate for the paragraph it supposedly supports). More broadly fails GNG. No redirect to Woman's Club of Burbank is possible, and the umbrella page (unsurprisingly) mentions neither Burbank nor Marks. ——Serial Number 54129 17:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Weakkeep I think there are some naming issues which may make searching for content difficult on this person. When I searched for "Jane Brunson Marks" in neswpapers.com nothing came up, but when I looked for just "Jane Marks" thousands of articles popped up and I ultimately was able to find her obituary in the Los Angeles Times from searching under that name. I think it likely that there will be more sources under "Jane Marks" but it will be difficult to sort out her between the many other women of that name. I'm loathe to delete an article with a biographical entry in a reference work on American women. The 1928 source is a strong indicator of notability on its own. If we had just one more source of this type it would be a clear keep. Given the name search challenge, I prefer to err on the side of caution and keep the article. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)- To add to this, I found a reference speaking about her father in which his children with Effie Fox are "Jennie and Clair", so there may be sources where's she's referred to by the nickname Jennie. ForsythiaJo ( talk) 23:56, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep on the strength of the recently-added references. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Aside from the "Women of the West" (an early who's-who) the other sources show (at best) that she existed. There's no plausible claim for notability. 128.252.210.1 ( talk) 19:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Any more comments on the quality of additions since the article's nomination?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Nothing in Gbooks, Gnewspapers, or over at the Library of Congress newspaper archive. The book from 1928 is biographical, but I don't really see why she's notable for our purposes, active social life/helping others, but that's not quite enough for our notability guidelines. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to sharing 4meter4's sense that inclusion in biographical reference works is a reasonable heuristic for encyclopedic relevance, I find the additional sourcing discovered since the deletion discussion was first opened persuasive. To the sentiment that Marks's position wasn't sufficiently notable for Wikipedia, my impression from WP:GNG is that notability is determined not by the perceived prestige of a position but by coverage in sources. Coverage from biographers/journalists/historians/etc. is what confers notability, whether on a king or club woman. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 08:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing found that meets
WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Mentions are not indepth coverage. //
Timothy ::
talk 17:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- What constitutes a mention or what is coverage in certain cases is probably a matter unlikely to achieve universal consensus; to at least explain why I see significant coverage, I'll mention that I find persuasive
this essay's observation:
An example is that a paragraph-long obituary of a scientist in a respected non-local national newspaper will be treated as more conducive of significant coverage than a paragraph-long obituary of an un-elected politician in a respected non-local national newspaper
. A short obituary about an unelected politician in the Los Angeles Times doesn't convey as much significance as an obituary of the same length about a club woman like Jane Marks does, as such figures are less likely in general than politicians to get such obituaries at all. Also, WP:OHW guides my reading of the Women of the West entry; as a biographical dictionary, it has a compressed formatthat conveys more information in fewer words
. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 18:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- What constitutes a mention or what is coverage in certain cases is probably a matter unlikely to achieve universal consensus; to at least explain why I see significant coverage, I'll mention that I find persuasive
this essay's observation:
- Keep In addition to the already added/pointed out sources, many more exist. I found several in Newspaperarchive.com via the Wikipedia library after multiple revised searches, given that she was known or written about under different names, more sources are likely to exist. Not all sources need to be SIG/in-depth coverage. But along with a few in-depth sources present in the article already, these brief mentions indicate she was a known figure regardless of the significance of her work or positions. X ( talk) 00:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)