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The result was delete. Slight WP:IAR and closing this two days early due to zero opposition, plus disruption on the article itself by the creator (despite being blocked once for it). Primefac ( talk) 16:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Shaun Jose Rodrigues

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Biographical article which does not demonstrate notability of the subject. Extensive research online does not reveal any evidence that the subject meets the notability requirements for academics, nor meets the general notability criteria. Current references are a second author credit on one scientific paper and an abstract for a conference. There's also no evidence their work is itself notable which could indicate the possibility of the subject also being notable, or an alternative avenue for the author to pursue. The original drafts were deleted for their promotional content, the version nominated was sufficiently pared down to not be speedily deletable. Nick ( talk) 22:10, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 03:07, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Wells Fargo account fraud scandal

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POV fork article. The scandal is well covered in the main Wells Fargo article and this article will lead to a bunch of edit warring between affected customers and satisfied customers. ANDROS1337 TALK 22:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, or perhaps Merge. There should not be two separate coverages of this; it belongs on the Wells Fargo page. The only problem there is there are so damned many things like it. Anmccaff ( talk) 22:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Then let's move it there, no? This is at best a POV fork waiting to happen, and at worst one which has already happened. No dispute about the seriousness or importance, but unless this article grows dramatically, it all belongs on the main page. Anmccaff ( talk) 23:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Ir's a fairly new article, and by no means does "scandal" indicate a difference of POV. I've also not asserted any sort of owership over it...no reverts, no nothing. I can only again reassert my shock at this nomination and assert that "this article will lead to a bunch of edit warring between affected customers and satisfied customers" is at best a nonsensical support of merge/delete.-- MainlyTwelve ( talk) 00:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I think you are answering accusations no one has made. Is the take on this exactly the same as in the main article? No? Then there is a POV fork. Is it the same? Then why do we have two articles?
No, you haven't reverted anyone; how could you, no one else has edited it. I think that should be setting off alarm bells.
I'm not sure "scandal" is the best word, because you can a scandal wit nothing behind it, but I didn't raise any question about that, nor did anyone else.
Finally, I'm not sure it's the customers edits we gotta worry about. Anmccaff ( talk) 00:52, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Customers being grifted by their own bank is definitely not a "POV issue", and any time a rationale contains a "edit wars will ensue if we keep this" line (especially when there hasn't been any other editors yet) I pretty much discount the nom right away; nobody is going to deny this happened, even WelzFargoFanboyStagecoachDRVR1852. Give our contributors more credit for being neutral, please. Nate ( chatter) 01:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Ummm, no one is saying that Customers being grifted by their own bank is ... a "POV issue". What two of us are saying is that the coverage of this should not be a separate article from the main Wells Fargo one, until and unless it grows to a point of being unmanageable, or ages to the point that a smaller mention is justified in the WF article. Right now, it's big enough and new enough it should be front and center, and unified.
No one said "edit wars will ensue if we keep this", or any line like that; if you want to argue that, go and find someone making the argument.
The fact that there have been no other editors, and only a minimal number of readers so far is exactly the problem being raised. It's a cul-de-sac, not a part of the mainstream. Now, I could see the point that i hasn't had enough time to catch on, but...no, I can't actually. This was, and is, a damned big story. The fact that no one looking at it definitely says something. Anmccaff ( talk) 01:45, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
ANDROS explicitly wrote "this article will lead to a bunch of edit warring between affected customers and satisfied customers".-- MainlyTwelve ( talk) 22:45, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
My apologies. I seem to have been skimming only for your literal words. I agree with you that edit wars, in and of themselves, are no reason to delete something. I disagree that this needs -two- articles. This should all be in the main Wells Fargo article for now. Anmccaff ( talk) 23:10, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
How? This is still a current issue for WF an its Victimscustomers, and should be a major part of the article. Anmccaff ( talk) 16:33, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Clearly, there is a consensus to delete here. Dennis Brown - 20:39, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Walter van Dyk

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Contested PROD: original premis was 'This obvious autobiography or paid-editing PR piece has been tagged as (almost) unreferenced for seven years now, and there comes a point when one has to assume the references won't be forthcoming. A few hits on Google, but I can't see any independent coverage other than the three references already in this article—the rest are all either theatrical listings, imdb and imdb-type "list everyone who appeared" databases for obvious bit-part roles like "Gay Biker Man at Funeral", and mirrors of the Wikipedia article.' Reason for PROD removal was 'has references'; unfortunately this did not make clear why having references conveys notability. Or even significance, for that matter. So, here we are. A WP:BEFORE demonstrates few if any reliable sources discussing him in roles or any impact made in them. So fails WP:NACTOR. On top of this, the few sources that even mention him do so in passing, with little depth or the persistence in coverage from reliable sources that one might expect from the *broad* claims made in the article. Fails WP:ANYBIO. Yeah, he was in a helluva load of famous plays; but per WP:NOTINHERITED, that seems to be the extent of involvement in fame or anything close to it. And that's not counting the WP:PROMO, WP:UPE, or WP:COI that's probably involved here. — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 21:44, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply


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  • Delete--I did not realize that there were so few reliable hits for this person: delete this resume. Drmies ( talk) 03:11, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I found passing mentions like this but nothing that would be possible to create a reasonable and properly sourced article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:26, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Fails all aspects of WP:NACTOR, fails WP:ANYBIO, fails WP:CREATIVE (for photography). Some of the credits seem to be not quite correct, for instance IMDb lists "Septimus" as "Patrician #3", etc. (Btw, Ref#3 is from an edition of Screen World and consist of a listing for the movie's cast/crew, it is not in-depth coverage or an actual article or interview.) Article also asserts notability for being a singer but subject fails WP:MUSICBIO, only mention of van Dyk at the Portland Chamber Music site is as the narrator in the (one-week+ residency performance's) 2007 & 2008 ensembles. Not all stage performances are notable enough to prove notability for Wikipedia's purposes and appearances as minor figures in theatrical films also do not convey notability. Shearonink ( talk) 15:53, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Note For the benefit of those who might not see it—and to preserve it in case the talkpage is deleted—copy-pasting this comment from the article talk page (some slight fixes by me to the formatting for display purposes but no wording change):
  • Firstly, I am the son of Dutch composer Rudi Martinus van Dijk (see Wikipedia) which for historical reasons is of interest. Secondly, I have been a British actor for the past 35 years and I am well known to the profession which is significantly different to being a celebrity. It is of interest to people in the Arts. If there is something specifically which is felt unnecessary and needs editing then by all means let me know. I myself do not know how references are sourced and created in Wikipedia but if you tell me how I can look into this.

    Best wishes,

    Walter van Dyk -- 82.12.222.139 ( talk) 16:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

     ‑  Iridescent 16:33, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • So I ran an news archive search. Found: Arts Planner, Keyes, Bob. Portland Press Herald; Portland, Me. [Portland, Me]03 Aug 2008: E.1. "Among the highlights of this year's festival is the return of Walter van Dyk, the British stage actor who made a big impact last season when he narrated Stravinsky's "The Soldier's Tale." [4]; "it was a nice idea to put these works together, particularly in the form conceived by the Dante Quartet and the actor Walter van Dyk," Classical: The Independent; London (UK) [London (UK)]26 Dec 2007: 14. [5]; "The Narrator (Walter van Dyk) kept things on the boil" Stravinsky on the march CLASSICAL, Norris, GeoffreyAuthor InformationView Profile. The Daily Telegraph; London (UK) [London (UK)]07 July 2005: 026. [6]; "Only in the third act did things take off, and that was because three performers with impeccable comic timing were given their head - Dolton, Walter Van Dyk as a randy old prisoner, and the protean Simon Butteriss." La Perichole Garsington Opera at Wormsley ** Church, Michael. The Independent; London (UK) [London (UK)]26 June 2012: 44. [7] and more. I didn't scan them all. @ Walter van Dijk: If profiles of or interviews with Van Dyk have been published (not by the a theatre or event sponsor, in the news media) you could add those to this discussion. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:55, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I have reinstated his photograph to improve the look of the page. -- Walter van Dijk 15:08 19 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:54, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

RACAJ monument

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Don't see any real sources for this. Source given is just google maps, but looking just showed light weight references. Very new, perhaps too new. Dennis Brown - 21:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Delete looks like a hoax. A Clio award? A Golden Lion at Cannes? I don't think so. Mduvekot ( talk) 22:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Single line article about a non notable TV channel. Previous prod deleted following addition of some references which do not equate to notability. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   20:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:20, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Theory of hyper-random phenomena

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Published papers concerning this new theory are essentially all the work of a single author, apparently also the author of this article, with almost no recognition elsewhere. WP:TOOSOON comes to mind. Lithopsian ( talk) 20:44, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - This year it will be published in Springer a new monograph concerning the theory of hyper-random phenomena: Gorban, I.I.: Randomness and Hyper-randomness. Springer (2017) [8]. Publication Date: October 5, 2017. 93.74.159.69 ( talk) 06:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 17:11, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The citations are either brief quotations, brief mentions, self-published, or press releases. No independent coverage, and a search turned up nothing better. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO Narky Blert ( talk) 20:26, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Backpacker (US slang)

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The page as written belongs in Urban Dictionary, I don't see any evidence either term on the page is in popular use as slang in the United States. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:01, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. No consensus on salting, but further recreation without a deletion review or addressing the issues will call for locking. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Ian Anderson (soccer)

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Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was declined on the grounds that the article is substantially different than the one that was deleted two years ago. However, the underlying notability concerns remain. He has still not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article still fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 19:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Redwall (TV series)

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Series does not appear to meet WP:NTV— this article consists almost exclusively of an extended plot summary, and provides no evidence that the series has been the subject of any independent reliable verifiable secondary publications. A Google search provides ample evidence that the subject exists... but Existence ≠ Notability. KDS4444 ( talk) 19:42, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep (Nomination withdrawn). (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 18:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Redwall

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Book series does not appear to meet WP:NBOOK. Reviews in Figment and Publisher's Weekly are not selective and include no editorial oversight. Many are simply fan reviews. Book series has won no literary awards, nor does it appear to have been the subject of substantive discussion in multiple reliable secondary sources. A Google search turns up the official website, then this article, then Goodreads, Barnes & Noble, and Amazon reviews, all of which are churned out by readers and are not measures of notability. KDS4444 ( talk) 19:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Let's go through NBOOKS. Point 1: Several books in the series have been on the New York Times' best seller list. [1] [2] [3] [4] Indeed, the presence of popular children's books like Redwall and Harry Potter is one of the things that pushed the New York Times to spin off the children's best sellers from the adult best sellers in 2000. [5] For some additional non-trivial published mentions, see the author's obituary in the New York Times, An article from Audubon about the importance of antropomorphic animals in children's literature leading to a love of animals in adults, This and this article in the Guardian listing the best books for children and teenagers, and given time I can find more. Point 2: Four of the books in the series were nominated for Carnegie medals. [6] They have also won other awards, such as Lancashire Book of the Year (3 times), and Western Australian Young Readers' Award 4 times. [7] Point 3: The books have been adapted into other art forms such as a t.v. series (see sources cited in that article), and a graphic novel. [8] Point 4: Here are some books designed for primary school teachers teaching Redwall. [9] [10] [11] I think it clearly meets WP:NBOOKS and the WP:GNG. ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) problem solving 21:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ "Children's Best Sellers". New York Times. 23 July 2000. Retrieved 11 May 2017.
  2. ^ "BEST SELLERS: November 16, 2003". New York Times. 16 November 2003.
  3. ^ "Best Sellers Plus". New York Times. 24 January 1999.
  4. ^ "Children's Books". New York Times. 24 October 2008.
  5. ^ Smith, Denita (24 June 2000). "The Times Plans a Children's Best-Seller List". New York Times.
  6. ^ Gebel, Doris (2006). Crossing Boundaries with Children's Books. Scarecrow Press. p. 327. ISBN  9780810852037.
  7. ^ "WEST AUSTRALIAN YOUNG READERS' BOOK AWARD". Retrieved 11 May 2017.
  8. ^ Beckett, Sandra (2010). Crossover Fiction: Global and Historical Perspectives. Routledge. ISBN  9781135861292.
  9. ^ Polette, Nancy (2005). Teaching Thinking Skills with Fairy Tales and Fantasy. Libraries Unlimited. ISBN  9781591583202.
  10. ^ Perry, Phyllis (Sep 8, 2003). Teaching Fantasy Novels: From The Hobbit to Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. ABC-CLIO.
  11. ^ Fry, Edward; Kress, Jacqueline (Jul 5, 2012). The Reading Teacher's Book Of Lists. John Wiley & Sons.
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Red X I withdraw my nomination , somewhat reluctantly KDS4444 ( talk) 06:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Back Stabber (2016 TV series)

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This is bordering on a hoax with the poor attempt to manufacture notability by spamming press releases all over the internet. All of the sources in this article and others that I've come across in my search are more or less user generated from what appears to be the subjects marketing team. I can find nothing reliable to support any claims in this article other than it's existence on Amazon. (Prod had expired but another user declined before deletion.) Appears to be similar to the attempt made at Ryan Zamo to fluff up the sources. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Notability is established by significant coverage in third party sources - this is an example. The fact that the creator of the show has been interviewed for the story should not count against it.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 18:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I realize that and it doesn't count against it however it doesn't satisfy the "independent reliable coverage" portion as it's coverage of what someone directly involved with the subject is saying...about the subject. So pretty much the definition of not independent. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
It's the source itself, the publication, that needs to be independent! I'm fairly sure Ryan Zamo does not work for northjersey.com.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 19:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Pawnkingthree The publisher is independent, perhaps however an interview is them talking about themselves/their business ventures. So the content and the source itself is not independent. It's the same idea behind why a press release on Reuters or another independent source isn't considered independent reliable source in terms of coverage...if there is no actual coverage aside from one interview from a local source, that doesn't bode well for the coverage. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Hmm. More is needed anyway. The Huffington Post (not exactly a gold standard as a RS, I know) has this, although the headline and the fact that the writer falls for the ridiculous "considered for multiple Golden Globe Awards" hype isn't a good sign. I'm beginning to think it's going to be difficult to salvage this article once all the puffery is stripped out.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 19:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Pawnkingthree I appreciate your attempt to salvage it but even that HP article is...well, it's pretty telling that all the things that article cites are the same as what is in this article (and it appears to be more of a blog entry rather than HP's actual content.) CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete: I'm not sure I'd call it a hoax, but it's painfully clear that almost every single source is either an interview (not an RS), a press release (not an RS), or some kind of social media site (slashdot is user-submitted content, also not an RS). It is also plain that there has been a concerted and focused attempt to fluff the marketing, which means we must be especially careful in scrutinizing every source that is presented with regard to this article. We should also be especially careful to not encourage this sort of behavior by allowing this to spiral out of hand. Let's just delete this and get it over with. Waggie ( talk) 19:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as this article is sourced using press releases and interviews. Obvious attempts at WP:PROMO. -- Dane talk 19:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete this is an amateur production self-published on Amazon, and has not achieved the necessary notability for that type of work. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I did my best to come up with sufficient reliable sources, but no luck. If it ever achieves enough recognition for proper reviews by critics or other similar coverage then it can be re-created at a later date.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 20:13, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn ( non-admin closure) Lepricavark ( talk) 18:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Can't find any secondary sources to establish notability. TheMagikCow ( T) ( C) 18:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Withdrawn: per WP:SK1, found sources, [11], [12] and [13]. TheMagikCow ( T) ( C) 18:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Universal Wrestling Federation (Herb Abrams). (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable wrestling Championship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.188.140 ( talk) 17:53, 11 May 2017‎ (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. As editors have said, demonstrating notability requires multiple sources. Arguments about WP:ENT are hollow as the person still must meet WP:GNG, and all claims must be verifiable. The consensus here is that this is not the case. Dennis Brown - 20:38, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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WP:BEFORE shows not enough reliable sources to pass WP:GNG or WP:ENTERTAINER. Waggie ( talk) 17:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - the AfD was nominated after the account representing the group had removed without reason the best reference that the article had, which is the coverage in The Guardian - which is reliable, independent and provided reasonably significant coverage noting the surprise success of the group's book, which became a best-seller. I have now reinstated that reference. I also believe the subject qualifies under WP:ENT on the basis of having a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. The fanbase is certainly large (per secondary reference in the The Guardian coverage) and is certainly cult - I neither like football nor video games but clearly there is a huge following by young people who use YouTube as a primary means of entertainment and for whom their favourite content contributors have superstar status. The group is also a football team that draws huge crowds to their charity matches but that doesn't fit neatly into the notability of sports teams. Like the concurrent discussion on the AfD for the Chris Dixon article, the problem is that the Sidemen article will attract IP editors who will want to add trivia and unsourced material, so some level of page protection will prove necessary in due course if the article is kept. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 21:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
WP:GNG calls for 3-5 independent and reliable sources to establish notability. ONE good reference just isn't sufficient. I'm not sure where a "cult" following comes into this, and a large fan base cannot be established by number of followers on YouTube, as followers can easily be purchased en masse. Waggie ( talk) 16:14, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Where does GNG say anything about 3-5 references? The bit about cult following comes from WP:ENT, which states that notability of entertainers can be established in any one of three ways, the second way being "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." How would that be established? It is a subjective measure, and in that regard the number of YouTube subscribers provides a useful indicator. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 18:06, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
As noted in the Chris Dixon (Youtuber) AfD, it says "multiple sources". "Multiple" means "having or involving several parts, elements, or members", and "several" means "more than two but not many." (emphasis added). Hence the range 3-5 that I describe. Also as noted in the other AfD, WP:AUD states "The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." As noted above regarding WP:ENT and a "cult following", the number of Youtube subscribers is NOT an accurate measure because they can be easily purchased en masse in order to artificially inflate one's following (a problem with treating ANY social media subscriber base as a measure of importance) and besides that Youtube is clearly not a reliable source in any case except for in VERY specific circumstances which is established in WP:RS. Waggie ( talk) 00:44, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
"The Sidemen YouTube channel was set up especially for the match, going from zero subscribers to one million subscribers in just three days, making it the fastest YouTube channel in the world, ever to reach one million subscribers." [14] The video of that match has now had 13m views. The team is playing again in a week, and if the article is still around by then, it will be interesting to see if a 27,000 spectator match helps the discussion! Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 21:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Based on that, my inclination is to delete; the charitable event may be notable but I don't see the individual team (or their Youtube channel) as being notable. As a practical note, it may be worth waiting until after May 21 to close this AfD. Power~enwiki ( talk) 02:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
If a celebrity has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following, they're notable, per WP:ENT. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 21:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I meant WP:ITSPOPULAR. A large number of views/subscribers by itself is not notable, it has to be mentioned by reliable, independent third-party sources. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:30, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Waggie and other reasons above. There isn't a significant amount of news/secondary sources on them to show their notability. Despite having a large fan base, other than a book and a football match, I'm not sure the group has done many notable things outside of comedy YouTube videos. Sekyaw (talk) 13:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia doesn't require notables to have done "many notable things". How does this group not meet the second basis of notability in WP:ENT? That is the only test that we need to apply here, surely? If they have "a large or cult following" then they're notable. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 14:06, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Saying that the group has a "large or cult following" is WP:OR. There are thousands of YouTube channels that have over one million subscribers and basing it off of that number should not immediately indicate a cult following, thus any notability whatsoever. Sekyaw (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
No WP:OR is required, the claim of a 'large or cult following' is supported by the reliable, published sources cited in the article. Let's take a closer look:
The Guardian:
  • book sells 26,436 copies in the first three days
Charlton Athletic FC:
  • Sell-out football match in 2016 (15,000 tickers sold)
  • 13 million people have watched the game on YouTube
  • Fastest-growing YouTube channel ever, reaching a million subscribers in three days
Daily Echo - (I recognise this is a local paper):
  • 600,000 people watched the event live on YouTube - a record.
This time next week it will be possible to expand the article due to the football match they are playing in this Sunday which has sold out (27,000 tickets) and this shows that there is an enduring following, rather than this being about one event.
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The result was delete. Based on the discussion, it seems like there aren't enough dedicated sources to satisfy GNG. Numbers of viewers aren't substitutes, alas. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Chris Dixon (YouTuber)

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WP:BEFORE shows not enough reliable sources to pass WP:GNG or WP:ENTERTAINER. Waggie ( talk) 17:51, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - this hinges around the Jersey Evening Post article as the basis for verifying notability. The Jersey Evening Post is the "national" newspaper for Jersey and is a reliable, independent secondary source, and its article provided significant coverage. Note that the web content linked to in that reference is only a precis of the much more extensive coverage that appeared in the print version of the newspaper - from memory it was a full tabloid page, so we must consider the offline source, not the quality of the coverage accessible by the web link. The subject also qualifies under WP:ENT on the basis of a large fan base or a significant "cult" following (3,143,376 YouTube subscribers). The problem with this Wikipedia article is that it is a honeypot for young fans who want to add non-encyclopedic content / trivia, and in the last couple of weeks someone close to the subject has become an editor and added original research. The article needs stripping back, and realistically would need some level of page protection to prevent further additions of unsuitable content. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 21:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Same argument as on Sidemen.. One reliable source does not pass WP:GNG. A minimum of 3-5 reliable sources, with independent and comprehensive coverage is required to pass WP:GNG. A large fan base cannot be determined by followers, as followers can be purchased. YouTube is not a reliable source. Waggie ( talk) 16:17, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
WP:GNG says "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." Where does the "minimum 3-5" come from? Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 17:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
You quote precisely the section I refer to. It says "multiple sources". "Multiple" means "having or involving several parts, elements, or members", and "several" means "more than two but not many." (emphasis added). Hence the range 3-5 that I describe. Also you called the Jersey Evening Post a "local" paper, which it definitely is, even if it reports or syndicates national news. WP:AUD states "The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." I'll admit that WP:AUD is part of WP:ORG. This would seem to be born out in specific to Youtubers by past AfD discussions, such as this AfD, this AfD, and this AfD as some quickly found examples. Waggie ( talk) 00:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete- Fails WP:BLP policy, WP:GNG and WP:PEOPLE subject specific guidelines. Any article containing material about a living person must comply with the policy of biographies of living individuals. This includes any subject specific criteria contained in Wikipedia:Notability (people) which includes WP:ENT.
This article lacks sufficient independent, reliable sources(plural) with significant coverage to establish notability. Current sources are -
  • 6 YouTube references. Not independent and not considered a reliable source.
  • 2 social media sites (Twitter, socialblade.com) not reliable or independent.
  • onefootball.com - a football blog site.
  • mirror.co.uk -m - One sentence trivial mention
  • www.dailyecho.co.uk, and www.justgiving.com - subject not even mentioned.
  • Jersey Evening Post - does contain significant coverage however it is a local paper serving an area with a population of around 100K. Paper/website has an editorial disclaimer that states "it does not give any warranty or representations, express or implied, about its accuracy, completeness, or appropriateness for a particular purpose."
The number of YouTube subscribers may indicate popularity however, that does not translate to notability without verifiable, reliable sources to back that up. CBS527 Talk 10:31, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I get that YouTube videos aren't a reliable source, but those are cited to verify specific content in the article, not to establish notability. The number of subscribers is verifiable [15] from the definitive source. There's no way to categorically prove or disprove the "they might have gamed YouTube to artificially create subscribers" argument because we can't tell whether all those three million are real people. But what we can do is combine the evidence in front of us (as explained in WP:BASIC - the newspaper article plus the number of subscribers plus featuring twice in all-star football matches adds up to this subject being genuine rather than some sort of elaborate sham. (As to the Jersey Evening Post's disclaimer - surely that's a standard blanket precaution that most publications would take. It doesn't mean they're in the business of publishing fake news.) Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 11:21, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
"I get that YouTube videos aren't a reliable source, but those are cited to verify specific content in the article, not to establish notability." Youtube isn't a reliable source. That means it's not a reliable source for verifying content, per WP:RS. That includes "specific content", notability, # of subscribers, etc. Waggie ( talk) 16:08, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
It is entirely valid for the article to use the videos that the subject has created as a source for verifying the (reasonable) claims that the article makes about him. The guidance on video links states that "editors need to watch out for the potential unreliability of the user uploading the video" i.e. that we are to apply good judgment - it doesn't say that video links are not to be relied on at all. "Self-published videos may be used as sources of information about their creator if they meet the requirements seen at restrictions on using self-published sources" ( WP:ABOUTSELF)
Back to what you say about needing 3-5 sources (which is contradicted by WP:N saying "there is no fixed number of sources required"), multiple sources can mean two - see Wikipedia:Verifiability and notability#Notability.
I see that the article List of most subscribed users on YouTube is dependent on YouTube's subscriber counts - pinging @ Clbsfn and Jamesjpk: from WikiProject YouTube to get their view.
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Hello Curb Safe Charmer, thanks for your reply. A notable individual's verified social media accounts are considered reliable for statements they make specifically about themselves, not about the things they do or have done, and it must be cited as such for context, please see WP:BLPSELFPUB and the two sections above that as well. Regarding 3-5 sources, I have stated my rationale already. Even the section you cite states "...but like most bare minimums, rarely enough." even if I disagree with it considering "two" as "multiple", considering the definitions of the relevant words. It's a moot point, however, because there is only one source with comprehensive coverage that is independent, and it's only a local paper. As for the list you refer to, it is extremely problematic and needs pruning down to what reliable sources report, plus other stuff exists is not a valid argument in a deletion discussion. You should be aware also, that pinging a very specific set of users in a deletion discussion is canvassing and isn't allowed. Waggie ( talk) 17:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Hi Power~enwiki, could you specify the notability criteria that establishes that? I'm not aware of any. Waggie ( talk) 20:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
There is none (officially), it's my own personal opinion from reviewing a variety of these proposals over the last month. See my user/talk page for more info. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Hi Power~enwiki, thanks for your reply! It's long established consensus (and established in guidelines) that establishing notability requires reliable sources. Even with the specific notability criteria, they still require reliable sources to verify the content. As Youtube (and other social media platforms) are established as NOT being reliable sources, we simply can't accept supposed viewership/subscribership on social media platforms where such numbers can easily be inflated as a reliable means of determining notability. Reliable sources must be used to support content in articles. Can you understand why we would need that as an encyclopedia? Wikipedia has enough credibility issues already. Waggie ( talk) 20:45, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Press coverage such as [16] leads me to believe the case for notability exists, even if it isn't in the article as written. The main reason I see to delete this article is that it's currently entirely self-promotional in nature. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:56, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Power~enwiki, thanks again for your reply! As notability isn't inherited, the article you link to doesn't really help for establishing Chris Dixon's notability, as it doesn't even mention him at all, much less discuss him comprehensively. Perhaps he will be notable eventually, but certainly not now. I agree that even outside of the notability issue, the article is highly promotional. The thing about notability and sources is that Wikipedia articles are supposed to be summaries of what reliable sources say on a subject. If there aren't reliable sources discussing a subject, then there literally is nothing to summarize for Wikipedia article. Any article on Chris Dixon would have to be synthesized from a smattering of other sources, which wouldn't be encyclopedic either. Does that make sense? Waggie ( talk) 21:10, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I'm not convinced of your entire argument, but I'm convinced the article needs improvements before it can survive this process. I've struck my previous vote and remain neutral. Power~enwiki ( talk) 21:15, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Fair enough, thank you for discussing it with me, Power~enwiki. Waggie ( talk) 21:23, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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My first reaction was this was a duplicate of Americanization. After reading the article, I realize that it is about a similar but different concept. However, it is unreferenced and it is not clear if this is actually a popular concept. If referenced, I would recommend a merge with Americanization because neither article is very long, and the concepts are very closely related to each other. JDDJS ( talk) 17:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - I thought this sounded plausible, down to the claimed distinction from Americanization (home/abroad). But it's pure WP:OR - there's no definition of the term anywhere, nor does it seem to be used e.g. in Hawaii as claimed for the stated meaning. I don't believe it's a WP:HOAX from the article's tone, but it is not only uncited but unciteable: there's nothing out there. I would have suggested a merge but I can't see anything we could keep, would be happy to be corrected on that. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 18:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and probably redirect as anyone searching this term probably means Americanization. Hyperbolick ( talk) 18:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - WP is not the place for first publication. OR. Anmccaff ( talk) 23:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete per the various above. The only "distinction" I can see between the "-isation/-ization" and "-fication" is that the article on Americanization doesn't currently talk much about a change of identity, while it just as easily could (the one on Russification does, which I think is why this article may have been created). I'd suggest it's a plausible redirect, but definitely not a standalone article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Celbridge. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:45, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Not eligible for A7 since it's a school, otherwise it'd fit there to a tee. Fine as a sentence or two within Celbridge. Not notable otherwise as currently written. South Nashua ( talk) 17:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:45, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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From the U.S. Senate website, "Frustratingly little is known about the life and career of Sarah Fisher Ames..." It seems her only claims to notability are creating some busts of Abraham Lincoln and opening a hospital during the Civil War. That doesn't seem like enough to pass WP:N. Maybe I'm wrong, if someone can expand this here, I will withdraw my nom. South Nashua ( talk) 17:26, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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keep demonstrates WP:GNG. The current article doesn't have the best sources. But a quick Google search makes some great suggestions that will improve it:

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Good enough. I still think she's borderline on notability, but there might be hope for improvement beyond this addition as well. I personally wasn't sure. In hindsight, a PROD probably would have been better here. South Nashua ( talk) 18:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

keep, as above. I'm taken by the likelihood that Ames was the instigator of (arguably) the most famous portrait of Lincoln: The Interminable, Everlasting Lincolns (Part 1). — jameslucas  ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 15:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 17:12, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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article isn't written in english; also fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 04:36, 8 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep As of November 25, 2016 the article showed 11 times representation at highest level of competition on national team as well as presidency of national sports federation, passing WP:NHOCKEY #6 easily. Poor editing is not a AfD concern. Non-English pages are not deleted for lack of translation (usually marked with Template:Not English) instead unless an equivalent article exists in the language wikipedia. bg:wiki has no article on Мартин Миланов making it A7-ineligible. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete He has never competed at the highest level of hockey. His appearances on his national team were in divisions II and IIB. Those are the fourth and fifth levels of the IIHF championships. There is also no significant independent coverage, so neither WP:NHOCKEY nor WP:GNG is met. Papaursa ( talk) 02:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak delete. Hard to verify this is not a hoax with no inline citations to any of the claims. Currently fails WP:V as written. Reads like he may be notable, but no sources... plus, if Paperusa says he fails NHOCKEY, and he clearly fails GNG, it seem like a delete case. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:52, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Contrary to what is stated above he does not meet NHOCKEY as #6 says he must have played in the highest pool of the world championships, his team did not do that. - DJSasso ( talk) 10:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:45, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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lack of coverage to prove notability, unremarkable YouTube personality Mjbmr ( talk) 16:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails hockey notability criteria WP:NHOCKEY as he has not played in the top league (NHL). Ifnord ( talk) 15:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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I don't think that the references are strong enough to establish notability. TheLongTone ( talk) 14:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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NN artist fails WP:NARTIST . Sourcing may fail GNG as many primaries and listings. WP:NOTPROMO (further WP:COIN#Deb Lawrence) Widefox; talk 14:09, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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I don't think that the references really establish the notability of this as a work of art, since they are really about the subject of the portrait. TheLongTone ( talk) 14:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. There is a claim of significance: The artwork … has been referenced by scholars and cited online by various Francophone and English intellectuals … but it not sufficiently supported by references. The only cited scholar is Chika Ezeanya-Esiobu. I can't tell from the article if the work has ever been exhibited or used in a way that would make it notable. Mduvekot ( talk) 19:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I didn't find anything significant about this painting and it's creator. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 12:32, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Ubiquitous Telecommunication Technology

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A7 was declined because the article creator contested on the talk page saying that it was part a subsidiary of Etisalat. There was no evidence offered for this, and I couldn't find any reliable sourcing that says this. In any case, this is a non-notable company that doesn't have coverage in sources, and because of the lack of association between the firm and the claimed parent company in sourcing, deletion appears to be the best option at this time. TonyBallioni ( talk) 14:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:35, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Debate over a British Independence Day observed in the United Kingdom

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Following the close of the previous AfD as 'no consensus', I think it is now clear that this article contains nothing that cannot comfortably be included in the Brexit article. Essentially, WP:NOTNEWS; the idea may have trended on twitter for aboy three minutes but a twitterstorm does not confer notability. TheLongTone ( talk) 13:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - I don't believe is a notable topic now, nor has it ever been in the past. I think WP:SYNTH still applies here. Perhaps we could avoid repeating the same arguments made in the last AfD again, and interested editors could review that before rehashing the same lengthy arguments. Shritwod ( talk) 14:18, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete as above and before. Useful content can be merged into the Brexit article, but this is a WP:CFORK. Bondegezou ( talk) 15:37, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom and others, and summarise in 50 words in the main Brexit article. Jdcooper ( talk) 16:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I'm inclined to keep this, mostly because of the large number of reliable sources. I see above that somebody proposed this be included in the Brexit article, but I would oppose that for length. It's a distraction to have a long discussion about something similar but not the same thing in an article. I doubt this would be kept at 50 words within the Brexit article either... White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as a flash in the pan, albeit one with reliable sources. In the event that a public holiday along these lines is established (and I'm sure there was media coverage suggesting that the date Article 50 was triggered was "Independence Day", so surely the date that everything's finalised with Brexit would attract similar coverage and thoughts), that's the time to create an article. At the moment, it's a proposed public holiday, and a lot of places moot these without meriting articles. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:56, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment (added 14 May, my time). There are comparisons being made to other proposals (or at least proposed-proposals) in British politics at the moment by the article creator a couple of entries below. The second Scottish independence referendum is - as far as I'm aware on the other side of the world - something which is substantially further advanced, in that it would be highly unlikely not to get as far as Westminster (as opposed to a potential public holiday commemorating an event which is still ongoing and which isn't sort of "set to happen" yet). The question of "Londependence" has (per its own article) been discussed at least by some since the 1990s, and apparently more loudly since 2014, much less 2016. That said, while it doesn't really enter into considerations here, that latter may not necessarily be the best example of an article in and of itself, and may also do better in articles about London's government or reactions to Brexit. A discussion for another day, though. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:15, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete This is a perfect example of a topic we should not cover. This is speculation sourced mainly from a couple of dubious tabloid newspapers and blogs. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. AusLondonder ( talk) 04:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - very obvious keep too. The lack of research or logic here is bizarre. Petitions with national media coverage? Yep. Discussed in Parliament? Yep. Official government position on the issue delivered and published? Yep. Explicit praise and criticism of the national holiday proposal by renowned politicians and public figures? Yep. International media traction? Yep. Not allowed to exist though because well... nothing at all really. "I don't believe" it's notable? Ok then, belief is a powerful thing after all. "Wikipedia is not a newspaper", who said it was? "CFORK" they say (which is multiple separate articles treating the same subject) this subject is about the debate surrounding a proposed national holiday on 23 June in the UK annually. So, what's it a repeat of, exactly? So would Remembrance Sunday and World War I be the same article by those standards? Because they're the exact same thing right? From now on in the world, both the event itself and the annual observance and/or celebration of a historical event are literally the same thing on Wikipedia. Nothing resulting from Brexit will ever be it's own topic in the history of time, because someone said it's a "flash in the pan" - no reason or evidence necessary. "Mainly sourced from a couple of dubious newspapers" - not true, but who cares? Somebody said so, so there. Has anyone got any actual analysis or evidence to disprove that this is a factual concept, that has been and is being proposed with enough notability to find national coverage? None so far. Please someone state some analysis or evidence against this proposed national holiday finding hugely notable political and media traction without creating strawmans or just totally unresearched irrelevant charges against the article, like "we don't have an article about everything Nigel Farage says". Great, who's asking for that? Nobody. Just a way of belittling AlessandroTiandelli333's point perhaps. And no, because the national holiday has not become official or "happened" yet is not a reason to delete an article outlining the debate (both support and opposition) around the topic. That literally makes no sense. We will need to delete London independence and Proposed second Scottish independence referendum now then. They do not exist, because I say so. Really both those concepts are literally just Brexit now anyway, right? The proposal and campaigning for London to be an autonomous city state is explicitly and conceptually the exact same thing as the EU referendum saga, right? A referendum on Scottish independence happening in the future, a proposal gaining political and media traction is absolutely conceptually inseparable from the political timeline that Brexit represents. It's literally exactly the same thing and it's CFORK, because reasons and stuff. Mdmadden ( talk) 13:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete blatant editorializing in the title, online petitions aren't the subject of Wikipedia articles, I see no sign the House of Commons ever discussed the matter. Power~enwiki ( talk) 08:21, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Every petition that gains a number of votes is 'discussed' in the Commons. I believe that this occupied them for about two minutes. I've no idea why the article creator thinks that this is a current topic; as the references show, this ludicrous idea was the subject of media attention for a couple of days. TheLongTone ( talk) 13:39, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Laura Ikeji

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subject fails WP:GNG. I could only find gossip news about her marriage which isn't enough to establish notability. The article creator should also note that notability is not inherited. — Oluwa2Chainz »» ( talk to me) 13:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Noted: notability is not inherited i feel her been married to a famous football and been a sister of a famous blogger would grant her an article and also being part of a movie "Undercover Lover" which also has top star's like " Alexx Ekubo" & " Deyemi Okanlawon" would grant her WP:GNG but if the case remains the same, then i advice an admin help delete the article instantly or if you can @ Oluwa2Chainz:.-- MKJ6006 ( talk) 13:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:33, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

QuoVadis

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Non-notable company. Any coverage I can find is either pretty much incidental, a recycled press release, or applies to its recent acquistion. Shritwod ( talk) 13:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: QuoVadis is a notable company for the following reasons: i) it is one of the leading providers of managed PKI in the world, and one of the top dozen suppliers of TLS/SSL certificates providing website security that is visible in the browser UI for many prominent university systems, national governments, and multinational corporations (see 2015 market share from Netcraft https://www.netcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/assurance_breakdown.png), ii) it is a well-known Qualified trust service provider in Europe issuing eID credentials under eIDAS, including PKIoverheid in Holland and SuisseID in Switzerland, and iii) is a vocal participant in discussions affecting internet standards public key infrastructure including the CA/Browser Forum and the Mozilla discussion groups. The certificate authority sector has been turbulent and this company has maintained consistent presence, especially as the role of CAs becomes increasingly important in efforts to "encrypt everything" on the Internet. All of the above cause users to seek independent information about the company from sources such as Wikipedia. The page has existed for years without challenge. If this company is non-notable then certainly most of the pages in the "certificate authorities" category Category:Certificate authorities have similar standing. Cryptoki ( talk) 14:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable company. No reliable sources to be found. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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It is too soon to consider creating an article on this subject; I cannot find the required significant coverage of this subject in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, as required by Wikipedia's general notability guidelines. Biogeographist ( talk) 12:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Most of the sources listed are unavailable online. A search for other sources to support notability was unsuccessful. Magnolia677 ( talk) 00:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Even with no sources, what is it about this person that makes them notable? Magnolia677 ( talk) 20:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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Article makes reference to coverage subject received by American Magazine for her orphanage, that she was a woman running an orphanage for boys, evidently it wasn't the norm back in the day. Cllgbksr ( talk) 00:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I looked through the sources included in the article, and Clarke seems to have gotten coverage in sources ranging several decades. Her time period and common name will make finding sources somewhat difficult, but I do think there are enough sources to meet notability requirements. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 06:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Further Comment The August 16th, 1900 edition of the "Christian Evangelist" contains a decent paragraph with details about the number of orphans Clarke cared for and some rather glowing praise. It can be found here on page 1044 (219 on the Internet Archive). There also seems to be a bit of coverage on newsapers.com, but I don’t have access to the website. Regardless, the books cited in the Wikipedia article contain several pages of coverage each, and there seems to be several media sources covering Clarke. There is enough information to write a substantial article even if we limit ourselves to the known sources, so I think notability requirements have been met. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 21:14, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: per Spirit of Eagle. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 15:12, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Sensory words

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Subject of article is not an accepted new research term. It appears the article creator conceived the term and wrote the article to match. No evidence of real world notability of this concept. KDS4444 ( talk) 12:13, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. Rather sad that this needs to go, because it's actually quite well written by a new editor - but it's a magazine article or a blog, not an encyclopaedia article. Seems to be WP:OR with a few references thrown in. None of the references contains the phrase "sensory words", the second one is a blog and the third is only tangentially related to the theme of the article. Searching gets a number of hits relating to marketing or creative writing, but I didn't find anything discussing the term sufficiently in-depth. Neiltonks ( talk) 12:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The article is not significant in terms of WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. Didn't found any individual sources and remarkable achievement about the subject. ~ Moheen (keep talking) 05:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Mississippi (time)

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Unit of time that is unencyclopdeic. Meatsgains ( talk) 01:35, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NHOCKEY. bojo | talk 21:37, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Editor blocked Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Contactpage Dloh cierekim 17:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Struck per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. North America 1000 00:54, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Xgeorg: That meets non of the criteria for WP:NHOCKEY. Articles like this may lead to meeting GNG though. 18abruce ( talk) 00:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 01:05, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Suspended congress (sex position)

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This is just doing it standing up. The sourcing is lousy--a website that claims to get it from the Kama Sutra, but that doesn't seem to use this term. Trigger warning for old people: contains picture of strong, young people doing it standing up. (Not very realistically--there is no way this couple is not falling.) Drmies ( talk) 15:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:31, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Patrick Herron

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Not Notable WikiFanD 15:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Weak Keep Found nothing in Google News, but As per Highbeam search, Weak keep. Found Indy Week's article 1, article 2. Someone check the notability. -- Elton-Rodrigues ( talk) 16:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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I think this page should be deleted. The subject is clearly not a notable poet, which is the first thing mentioned in the page. The website proximate.org does is clearly not very well maintained, and I can't find any information about the band mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.3.43.148 ( talk) 18:25, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. With no more delete-!votes after rewrites despite three relistings, there seems to be no consensus to delete this after Saqib's rewrite. So Why 13:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails notability guidelines. Journalist with no reliable independent coverage. RoCo (talk) 13:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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I have somewhat improved the bio. What do you think of it @ Mar4d:? -- Saqib ( talk) 11:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Saqib: Thanks for your improvement, the sources are decent. I will see if I can add anything of value too. Mar4d ( talk) 12:26, 22 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete with no consensus to merge. If someone wants to use parts of this article to merge them somewhere else, feel free to request userfication. So Why 14:12, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

PCG (random number generator)

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NN fails GNG. (It is WP:INTERESTING so we do have userification / draft.) Widefox; talk 10:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge to Linear congruential generator leaving a redirect. The single reference is a (very interesting) paper that was submitted for publication but never published. I believe the paper could well have been published had it been cut down to a simple description of PCG. It's much too long for a journal article but it is a wonderful introduction to machine generation of random numbers. There are no other published sources that talk about it. However it has been picked up in the programming discussion groups. The author has done a video explaining it. It's been implemented in a number of languages and serves as the basis for a new hashing algorithm. StarryGrandma ( talk) 05:27, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
StarryGrandma, the self published article isn't a proper WP:RS so maybe an external link or further reading, but how can we merge with zero published RS, zero secondary sources? WP:INTERESTING covers it. Widefox; talk 02:24, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  07:12, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Stwo

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Continues to fail WP:MUSICBIO. DBrown SPS ( talk) 02:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep On a quick search I could immediatly find articles by Fader and Pitchfork and other reliable sources on the producer. He is capable of meeting #1 on WP:MUSICBIO but article needs improvment to meet standards. Wapunguissa ( talk) 18:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete To comment on the "Keep" argument above, Fader and Pitchfork are, in fact, first person sources (interview with subject talking about himself) so do not constitute third party coverage. Other searches turn up the usual SPAM type coverage of announcements and credits in various user submitted sites, small-time sites, and sources such as Fader and Pitchfork, which partially exist as platforms for artists and companies to solicit promotional editorial content. Is there any difference between this article and the one on the same subject that was deleted 10 months ago? ShelbyMarion ( talk) 14:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep. A fair amount of coverage found, e.g. [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], although he doesn't seem to have done very much so far. -- Michig ( talk) 08:15, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Hudson River Sloop Clearwater#Music and Festivals. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Walkabout Clearwater Chorus

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I couldn't find any notability for this choir. SL93 ( talk) 01:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Idaho State University#Programs of note. Leaving the history in place so someone (*cough* K.e.coffman *cough*) can perform the merge. So Why 13:31, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No indication of notability, and while my Google-fu may be lacking, I can't find any independent coverage of this award. Pinkbeast ( talk) 00:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Universities are not, but _this_ university is not independent of the award, and notability requires independent sources. Pinkbeast ( talk) 01:07, 25 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete and redirect to DeMolay International.

While the speedy request was - despite the nominator's statement - correctly contested since significance or importance, unlike notability, can be inherited, there is consensus that a) this page has no usable content and b) might be a plausible search term. Regards So Why 13:28, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Washington DeMolay

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Contested csd on grounds that the user believes notability is inherited, Its not and nor should we be hosting an entirley unsourced and overdetailed car crash of an article that is irredeemably original research. Its needs to be deleted if sources cannot be found or stubbed and started from scratch if they are. Spartaz Humbug! 21:20, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Comment Notability can be inherited in certain circumstances. Not saying it applies here, but I read the nom's post and automatic dis-inclusion of inherited notability made me want to comment. Bahb the Illuminated ( talk) 22:15, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 05:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Luis Díaz (baseball)

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Cuban league baseball player. Does not appear to have played in any major international tournaments and the Cuban league itself does not qualify for WP:BASE/N. Spanneraol ( talk) 12:25, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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16 years in the Cuban league but he didn't get enough media coverage to meet what has become a very low GNG standard here in the baseball section? Hard to believe. - Bbny-wiki-editor ( talk) 22:27, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete with reluctance. There is no qualifying redirect or merge target, and the article only references one blog obituary. Spanish-language searches turn up a number of Luis Felipe Diaz's, none of them apparently this one. No participation on the competition levels asked of by WP:NBASE and nothing but that one blog for WP:GNG. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC) struck own vote to update based on new information - please see below. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - It doesn't seem credible to me that someone with that long a career in the Cuban league would not have some coverage. His obituary from the Havana Times provides at least one instance of significant coverage and is substantial enough to suggest that he wasn't some nobody who didn't attract any attention until he died. He does have some brief mentions here and here that I could find. I have to believe that the difficulty finding more significant coverage is due to difficulty getting information from Cuba than because it just doesn't exist. Rlendog ( talk) 21:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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This is hardly just namedropping other Cuban ballplayers. Rlendog ( talk) 19:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
This is another article, short but more than mere namedropping. Rlendog ( talk) 19:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I don't have time to look for sources from ten or twenty years ago, which may or may not be online anyway, but as is common in Latin America, this guy was known as Luis Felipe Diaz during his career and not simply Luis Diaz, as his page suggests. If people are searching for the latter, they might be missing sources, although, again, Cuba was way behind when it comes to the internet and most of his coverage was probably in printed form. - Bbny-wiki-editor ( talk) 04:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
The offline nature of Cuban sources does indeed have effects here but Cuban players are not relieved of the need for WP:V just because of the former U.S. embargo. In the meantime, I did search for Luis Felipe Diaz in both English and Spanish-language sources, as mentioned above. If there is a user with access to hard-copy archives in Cuba, they can recreate what is currently a quite short article and probably make it better. AfD is not virtual exile from the project, after all. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Indeed the information in the article needs to conform with WP:V. But there are adequate reliable sources, which include stat sites which would not be relevant for WP:N to support a brief, verifiable article on Diaz. Rlendog ( talk) 19:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Some of these sources are English. But what is wrong with Spanish sources for an article about a Cuban subject? Rlendog ( talk) 21:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Procedural nomination. This was PRODed by PRehse but there is some evidence of notability in the article, and therefore I am not comfortable deleting via PROD. Vanamonde ( talk) 09:35, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Fair enough on the proceedure. Abe has yet to compete at the highest level although has some success as a junior. Perhaps worth something in the future but right now is not notable as a judo player. Peter Rehse ( talk) 09:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete I think this article was created WP:TOOSOON. She has yet to appear at a world championship event as either a junior or senior and has no Olympic appearances. As far as I can tell, she hasn't even competed at the Japanese national championships as an adult. It may well be that she will become a notable judoka but that requires WP:CRYSTALBALL. Papaursa ( talk) 15:20, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
She did compete at the recently concluded Japanese national championships where she won her first match and lost her second. That's not enough to show WP notability. Papaursa ( talk) 02:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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These sources appear to be routine sports reporting. Yes, she won an event--one of about 40 annually and Grand Prix events are relatively low level. They rank below Grand Slam events, which rank below Masters events, which rank below the world championships. She's yet to compete at the highest level of her sport. Papaursa ( talk) 02:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
That is an interesting interpretation of routine coverage. See essay WP:NOTROUTINE#Sports. Box scores and statistics - not articles with headlines like "Abe makes history with Grand Prix win". Hmlarson ( talk) 18:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
All sourcing refers to her success in one relatively minor event where, according to the IJF media (not at independent source) article cited, the 46th ranked fighter beat the 73rd ranked fighter. That article has 1 sentence on the headline topic (and one about who her brother is) and everything else is quite routine sports reporting. Your headline quote is a bit more breathless than it deserves, given that Grand Prix events are less than 10 years old and are relatively low level one day events. Again, subject also does not meet WP:NSPORT since she has never competed at the highest level. Papaursa ( talk) 23:19, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. So Why 13:37, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Pierre Joseph-Dubois (English footballer)

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This article on a footballer was originally PROD'ed with the rationale "Fails WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN. Only ever an unused sub for Reading and all other clubs do not play in a fully pro league (or did not at the point when he was with them)". This was disputed by the article's creator, Galesbury, mainly on the grounds that making it as far as the substitutes' bench for a Premier League team is still a big deal. So in the interests of fairness I have brought it here for wider discussion...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 11:42, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - meets WP:GNG and is encyclopedic given a broad base of reliable sources showing professional WP:NFOOTBALL as the main income, playing full-time football [1], and having been named in the starting squad-line-up for a team competiting in the highest profile league in the world. These examples show how the subject closely parallels (a criteria of NFOOTY). The subject has been cited by Reading FC [2]as an alumni whom has achieved first-team status. The subject has a full remit of sources (BBC, Sky etc) that are examples of " multiple published[2] non-trivial[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject." Taken on-balance the subject has a comparable football career, or WP:GNG to [Joe Sheerin], who played one minute for Chelsea, (who has a less significant career thereafter, and has far less verified sources), or Jamie Slabber who played 11 minutes for Tottenham FC, and has since played the same level as the subject (and same teams), or Aaron Tumwa of Margate FC who has played no English Pro-clubs, (though did play for the the 151st ranked (from 199) team in the world) [3] Again, just comparing first team status in the Premier League and a long merited career in Football as comparable to playing for Antigua and Barbuda. Lastly, I list Christian Nanetti who has played 10 minutes in the League of Ireland but who has exited on Wikipedia for longer than that, on account of the wider career and WP:GNG within football, similar to the subject. I give these examples of why it is perhaps not just the NFOOTY) which should be considered because there is a broader balance, evidence over time and body of encyclopedic material available to support the page inclusion. To delete this page would minimize being in the team for a first team match at Anfield, between two Premier League Teams. Thanks to ChrisTheDude for shepherding this discussion to this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galesbury ( talkcontribs) 23:10, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  1. ^ ( [1], "Bromley have reverted to full-time training, three times a week")
  2. ^ Reading FC Official Website list of Graduates from Youth to First Team
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  • Delete - had a bit of a search around and could find anything significant to merit WP:GNG inclusion. Also fails WP:NSPORT due to never playing at a fully-pro or full international level. On a side note, this page has twice been deleted before once in 2007 and once in 2013. -- Jimbo [online] 10:57, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Jimbo Spiderone 18:42, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per CAPTAIN RAJU relisting: why is this necessary when you have listed it, the discussion has proceeded to a consensus which is unreached. What you have done is to railroad a decision, bullying in part. I must say, the content and discussion aside that there is not a single bit of commentary on the content, more than repeated (which i thought was not allowed) reports of fails WP:GNG fails WP:NSPORT - but none of you have made any attempt to qualify against my validation above. And as a side note: I have never written about this subject (person) before, so any prior submissions simply act to back up some of my reasons in regards WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.29.53.133 ( talk) 02:21, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Clearly fails WP:NFOOTY, which the article's creator does not seem to understand. Hopefully the closing admin will discount the duplicate !vote above, which appears to be Galesbury restating their case. Number 5 7 08:36, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Number 57 - please refrain from posting cheeky comments or making aspersions in my username. The W:NFOOTY is fully understood, but not the end of all arguments or justifications, and your motivation for deletion offers no new insight, no substantiated information, and is not particularly constructive. 15:22, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Virtually no coverage (that I can find) in independent reliable sources other than a few brief mentions in reference to other people. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:06, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. This qualifies for speedy deletion, as the creator of the article has requested deletion, but it is clear that it was heading for deletion anyway. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 21:10, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Up-and-coming model with no real in depth coverage in independent sources. A classic case of WP:TOOSOON. Stuartyeates ( talk) 09:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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2016 Minneapolis shooting

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:36, 16 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTROUTINE. The shooting received standard coverage in July 2016 but has not mustered any significant sources after this time period. Any news coverage was almost exclusively focused in Minnesota itself, meaning it did not receive significant international coverage. It was a tragic event, indeed, but that does not make it an encyclopedic event. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 16:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply

E.M.Gregory please forgive my of lack courtesy. Right after I posted this to AfD I had a sudden off-wiki issue. In the excitement, I simply forgot to inform you when I resumed editing. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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And in response to this request: I will be happy to withdraw this (or an admin can if I'm not active) after another editor or two express their opinions. That way, at least, there is time for a general discussion and perhaps other ideas can be thrown in. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • @ TheGracefulSlick:, perhaps because the situation is worse that I thought. Turns out that I wrote article and have been searching under incorrect spelling. Far more coverage comes up is you search Sawani in addition to Sawina. Or perhaps because with verdict + expanded searches it now appears that coverage of both case verdict has been national and international. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 00:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • E.M.Gregory Hmm all my prior searches did not include that spelling. I am convinced. Since I have seen more sources that were not available from the original searches and editors are willing to help expand this article, I say keep the page. If there is a legitimate reason to incorporate information into the encyclopedia, I cannot reject it. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:36, 16 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. WP:NPASR applies. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 05:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

RBGT 62a

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Prod was removed by author so I am bringing it here. Initially, it had exactly one "reference" - the article simply said "Josef BOGIN, JR." at the bottom. A search found one website where the author even uses all caps just like the "reference" so it appeared to be the article author himself. After the prod was removed, the author added two more "references". One doesn't appear to have anything about the RBGT-62a that I could find, the other is an online store. The whole article is one persons original research and nothing about it illustrates notability. Justeditingtoday ( talk) 14:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Seems to have fairly large following in the Geiger counter crew, as a well known cold war Geiger counter. It won't have a huge number of references since it comes from a country from behind the iron curtain. As something that's not run of the mill, and as an artifact of the cold war. Keep. scope_creep ( talk) 10:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 17:14, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Bianca Kmiec

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The only source I can find is one article on dailystar.co.uk KarlPoppery ( talk) 07:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete I declined the speedy because there were some claims of significance but when cleaning the article up, all sources I could find were about how she wants to show her nipples on Instagram (there are more than the Daily Star one but in all languages the content seems to be the same). I cannot find any sources for the other claims, so she fails WP:BIO, WP:GNG and WP:MUSICIAN. Regards So Why 07:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:ANYBIO. Claims to notability rest on being CEO of a non-notable business, unelected candidate to state assembly, and WP:INHERITed notability from 2 local work for presidential campaigns. Cabayi ( talk) 07:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete ( CSD G3) ( non-admin closure) Linguist talk| contribs 14:25, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Asia's Next Top Model (cycle 6)

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Unsourced speculation per WP:CRYSTAL. Nothing about it online. Prod contested without comment by article creator, and attempts at redirect to parent article also reverted by article creator. Uncle Roy ( talk) 06:44, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect, with no prejudice against deletion. The article creator also created an article on a cycle 53 of this series, which was speedied as G3. I think an argument could be made for deletion per WP:CRYSTAL, but since this series is currently on cycle 5, it's not unreasonable to retain this title as a redirect, and turn it into an article if a cycle 6 does end up meeting the notability threshold. — KuyaBriBri Talk 14:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. @ OlgaWills2017: If you wish to have a copy of the article to work on it as a draft, feel free to request it on my talk page. Regards So Why 13:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. No in-depth articles, most references are single line mentions. Vanity/advert page. reddogsix ( talk) 04:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. This is a vanity project, not an encyclopedia article. None of the references confirm his notability. A Google search for "Roberto Penedo" did find someone who was the subject of a news article, and coincidentally has the middle name "Estuardo"; but he's clearly a different man. Maproom ( talk) 07:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - as per the above comments. Vanity project. - Sitush ( talk) 08:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Struck for now - see below. - Sitush ( talk) 14:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment I cannot confirm it is the case, but Penedo was elected to the Guatemalan Congress for the post of (...) sounds like he was a Guatemalan MP, in which case he is notable. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:51, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    • If I have read the sources correctly (and I am relying on Google translate for some of them) the "Guatemalan Congress" of which he was an official was not the actual legislature of Guatemala, but a liaison and advocacy organization for Guatemala and Guatemalans, working in the United States. That is a different thing. He was also apparently an advisor to John McCain's campaign for President of the US, presumably on Latin American issues. It seems to me that with the various positions that he has apparently held, he OUGHT to be notable, but I have not as yet found the kind of coverage needed to establish this. DES (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
      • As OlgaWills2017 makes clear below, he wasn't elected to the Congress but appointed by it. I'm still trying to ascertain what CONAMIGUA actually is - it doesn't seem to be a government department but may perhaps be a government-sponsored pressure group or a subdivision of some civil service department. His position within it was Deputy Secretary, ie: he was not the head. A part of the problem here is that OlgaWills2017 doesn't always understand the nuances of the English language (this is not a criticism, just a statement of fact that is affecting the article and also this discussion). - Sitush ( talk) 11:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • comment a fair amount of the article seems to hav been closely paraphrased from http://www.biography.international/2017/04/roberto-estuardo-penedo-rob-penedo-info.html#more or more probably both rely on some sort of "official bio" distributed by or on behalf of Penedo. DES (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Notable Maproom Roberto Estuardo Penedo, his full name is Roberto Estuardo Penedo Rivera, also uses his name as Roberto "Rob" Penedo. However, the Congress of Guatemala for official documents use his full mane. Olga Wills ( talk) 13:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: DESiegel, That was an original article that I wrote for Wiki back in March, but it was very complicated for the first time user to understand all the rules, regulation and remarks of Wiki in order to keep the article, and it was removed. So I created Mr. Penedo's bio on http://www.biography.international/2017/04/roberto-estuardo-penedo-rob-penedo-info.html#more meantime we are working on creating an article here on Wiki. I'm the writer of that article, and edited lot's of staff in order to meet Wiki standards (which aren't that friendly to apply with); however, I can put that page down at any time, that's not an issue here. My main concern is actually to save Penedo article on Wiki. Any help or advice will be much appreciated. Olga Wills ( talk) 13:59, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Sitush, Penedo served in one of the Guatemala's High rank governmental position representing the Guatemalan Congress who elected him for that position, as you know immigration is very important issue all over the world. Penedo also received an award from the Mayor of the city of Los Angeles in California, for his tremendous support and contributions for the Latino Community there. I found the copy of that award from the LA city archives. Olga Wills ( talk) 14:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • It would help if the article had actually said all this and explained it properly, including re: his name, what the Congress is (a wikilink?) etc. I'm in two minds now. I'm also very concerned when you say "we are working on creating an article here on Wiki". If you are connected to the guy then you should not be doing that and it is no wonder it reads like a puff piece. - Sitush ( talk) 14:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Sitush, when I said we I mean everybody here part on this discussion including you now, and no, I am not connected to anyone, but trying to save the article and learn as much as possible to create more articles in the future. But that may be possible only with the coordination with the other users and editors on Wiki in order to have it done correctly, that's is WE.
    Also, I had all the information you are asking linked to other Wiki pages (such as Congress of Guatemala), but it was removed by someone of the editors on Wiki. Olga Wills ( talk) 14:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
For someone who is not connected to him, you sure seem to have followed him around a lot. All of the photographs are uploaded by you and they all claim to be your own work. Did you take them or not? If not, where did you get them from and who did in fact take them? - Sitush ( talk) 15:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Sitush I have my sources, the information was provided to me and confirmed and I was there to take the pictures, this is just my first article on this subject, my main goal is CONAMIGUA and them I will expand with another article about the Mexican Immigration Institute as well, I also will start to investigate David Slorzano and other members related to this institution, and I will get the pictures too, with no doubt you'll surprise the pictures I will get according my resources. Stay tuned. I am sure all this articles I'm planning to write will contribute a lot on the understanding of immigration issues. Olga Wills ( talk) 15:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I really don't see your concern, you are wrong, the pictures weren't taken the same day. I don't have any conflict of interest here. So pictures here are not an issue, and now I don't even understand why you don't want me to write about CONAMIGUA, an article that I event haven't started yet, you are really confusing me, do you want to write on CONAMIGUA by your own? is that why? Olga Wills ( talk) 16:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • In my point of view and please correct me if I'm wrong, Wiki is an encyclopedia where anyone is free to wright an article if everything that you are saying is true and correct and contributes to enrich the knowledge of everyone. So, in that case I don't understand why Wiki is not allowing the regular people to publish an article? The other time I was trying to get familiar with Wiki rules, regulation, recommendation and remarks the article was removed and after that I received an email about a PAID writer charging over $150/hour to help me on my WiKi article, what a coincidence, right? Is that what it is? Wiki is not for regular people like me but for paid articles only? Olga Wills ( talk) 16:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • @ OlgaWills2017: if you have been contacted by someone offering to write a Wikipedia article for pay, it might be a scam, and it definitely is in breach of our terms of use (unless properly disclosed, which is unlikely). Please forward the email to info-en@wikimedia.org.
You are wrong on multiple counts when you say Wiki is an encyclopedia where anyone is free to [write] an article if everything that you are saying is true and correct. First of all, it's Wikipedia, not wiki. Second, anyone who will obey the policies is free to write, others get blocked. Third, our policies say that "true and correct" is not the standard; "verifiable" is (this is why I said I have my sources doesn't fly here: you must say what the sources are, and if you cannot, you should not say you have them). Fourth, even verifiable is not enough, because we only write about what is "notable" - which is the whole point here, because none is really doubting that there is a man named Roberto Estuardo Penedo out there who did most of the stuff written on the page, but many are doubting whether he is well-known enough to be the subject of an article. TL;DR:Wikipedia is for regular people who follow the guidelines (or have good reasons to break them).
About the pictures: people here have short nerves when it comes to copyright violations. If you post a picture that you found on the web, or that the photograph shared with you, or that an agency provided on request, it is most likely not allowed (by the guidelines, and by the law) to post it on Wikipedia. If the metadata of the picture shows that it was obviously not the standard "tourist takes a photograph" story, it will raise suspicions. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • As for the 3 photos not being taken on the same day, well, he seems to be wearing the same clothes and, frankly, if you don't know him but happened to see him on several days in and around the same place and he posed for a picture on each occasion then that seems even more strange to me. - Sitush ( talk) 16:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • And then you just happened to see him when he met the Pope at the Vatican? Wow, the world is a small place. - Sitush ( talk) 17:02, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • OlgaWills2017, the article claims that Penedo/Rivera was "founder and CEO" of "Together for America", citing this source. The source names a lot of people but not him. It isn't good enough. I can see primary sources that say he registered the name - eg: this - but I don't know enough about US corporate law etc to know if that is significant and/or supports your claim. He could just have been acting as an agent. - Sitush ( talk) 16:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Tigraan, I understand your point and can tell you that I'm doing this article with the purpose to contribute only, following this article I will write on CONAMIGUA and then about each relevant person related to that institution, I think my contribution will help to enrich people's knowledge about immigration. Also I will expand such information by writing and article on Mexico Immigration Institute. There is nothing on WiKi related to this subjects yet and on my point of view are a very important subjects. That is the only and true reason I am starting writing this first article to later on continue with the others of the same subject. Olga Wills ( talk) 16:42, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Sitush, I found this link that clearly state he is the CEO and founder of Together for America and putted the link but someone in the WiKi editors removed as happened to too many other links I already submitted. http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=368877&corp_type_id&corp_name=Together+for+America&agent_search&agent_city&agent_state&filing_number&cmd which is signed by Arkansas Secretary of State, which is a reliable source. Olga Wills ( talk) 16:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

That is the link I gave above. It is a primary source and it isn't particularly helpful. Or, at least, it wouldn't be if it was in the UK because it is common for people to set up corporate bodies etc as shells and then pass them on. - Sitush ( talk) 16:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Tigraan, When i say "on my point of view" I am not referring to the article itself, I am referring to the importance to have articles concerning immigration. I am very clear that the article has to be about NOTABILITY with reliable sources but probably your lack of understanding on the Spanish language and its different terminologies according each Spanish speaking country is making this difficult for you guys to understand, google translation or any other computer translation service is no reliable and accurate. Olga Wills ( talk) 17:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Sitush Well, Together for America is in good standing up today and according that official record is active showing Penedo as CEO and Founder since 2011 to present, if we don’t believe in official record, what to believe in? Olga Wills ( talk) 17:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

That source does not say anything about the present. It is a record from 2011. And now I've found even more problems in the article, with the source about him being on the Latin American board supporting McCain's presidential campaign actually seeming to say no more than he was an adviser to McCain. Along with a few thousand others who could make that claim, I guess. - Sitush ( talk) 17:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Sitush FYI, when an entity is not active or is not in compliance with the law or is not current will show "REVOKED" or "NOT CURRENT" on its status, you can see clearly according the official e-document from the Secretary of State of Arkansas (a reliable source) in this case for Together for America the "STATUS" is "GOOD STANDING" that means the organization is current and everything its says on the document about the organization is accurate up to date. About John McCain, I have never see before a person interviewed by a reliable news paper of other country to be fake, so thousand that make that claim is very narrow to impossible, I guess? Again I think probably your lack of understanding on the Spanish language and its different terminologies according each Spanish speaking country is making this difficult for you to understand, google translation or any other computer translation service is no reliable and accurate. You cannot discredit reliable news papers interviews even if you are not sure what its saids or don't understand 100/100. Olga Wills ( talk) 17:42, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
No, it is you who is not understanding. You've been adding sources that quite simply do not support the statements and/or are unreliable. It seems to me that you're applying your personal knowledge to the article first and then trying to support it with some sort of citation. That's not a great way to build an article. And, by the way, I'm not fluent in Spanish of any variety, sure, but I can get around - that interview piece about the McCain campaign only mentions McCain's name twice and is quite clear in saying Penedo was at that time an adviser. I'm not saying Penedo was faking it, I'm saying you were, intentionally or (more likely) due to the reason I've just stated. - Sitush ( talk) 17:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Dear Sitush, Don't get mad, there is no reason to loose control, I think we are all here to learn from each other in one way or other. I'm trying to illustrate reliability, the Secretary of State of any state is reliable, if you don't agree, you'll be the first person I have been chatting that says otherwise, about the article, you don't need to mention 1000 times a name or something to make a point that is why probably with no offense is hard for you to understand how reliable the source is. I am not here to play judge and trial, I'm here to write an article that will be the beginning of more to come. You are saying I am faking intentionally or for the reasons you stated, I think you are not qualify to review this article or any other article at all if you are judging people for what you think and not for the article itself due to your lack of knowledge or understanding of the subject, that is unprofessional and unethical. I have been submitted reliable sources but in your point of view are not reliable to disqualify my article and then you can write about CONAMIGUA and Penedo by using third parties of curse. I discovered Penedo, I discovered CONAMIGUA and all other subjects about immigration derivate from, NOT YOU! Olga Wills ( talk) 18:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Sitush may not be as familiar with Penedo as you are, but they are certainly more familiar with Wikipedia editing, and therefore better qualified to say what kind of sources we need for what kind of claim. Honestly at that point you should drop the stick, but if you want to keep arguing, you will have better luck if you focus on Wikipedia's policies (please read them). Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
OlgaWills2017, I am not getting mad about the article or, indeed, you. I think there is a bit of an issue regarding English language comprehension and a major issue regarding Wikipedia's policies etc relating to verifiability, reliable sources and notability, with probably some sort of conflict of interest thrown into the mix.

There are a lot of "citation needed" tags in the article for which I am unable to find sources, and a lot of them seem to relate to his personal life and things he has done outside CONAMIGUA. Can you provide reliable sources for that stuff? Right now, it looks like it is your personal knowledge about the guy. I'm afraid that it isn't adding up and unless I find something fairly soon it is likely I will reinstate my delete !vote, sorry. - Sitush ( talk) 11:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

As another example of a problem, even assuming Penedo was a significant player in the Together with America organisation, I can't find a single reliable source that mentions him and Clinton. Just being head of an organisation, even a notable organisation, doesn't make the individual notable - see WP:NOTINHERITED. The same argument applies to his role in CONAMIGUA. And the honorary degrees that he has allegedly been awarded seem to have come from insignificant institutions, including the one that I have removed that originated from the rather notorious degree mill called Bircham International University. - Sitush ( talk) 11:32, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
The National Business School referred to in the article would likely be this place. Unfortunately, I can't see a mention of Penedo anywhere on the website and it has some severe design problems for a school that purports to be high-class etc. I can't find any other source that mentions him receiving an honorary degree from the place, although I suppose that might be a WP:SYSTEMIC issue regarding news sources in Guatemala. - Sitush ( talk) 11:54, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you for your advice. I will try to rewrite the article one more time following the steps you mentioned, let's see how it goes this time. But I will need few days to complete it. Best Olga Wills ( talk) 13:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    @ OlgaWills2017: While you have no deadline to rewrite the article, you need to provide correct sources right now before it gets deleted. See this section of "arguments to avoid in deletion discussions". Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:25, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    @ Tigraan: Thanks for a helpful advice. The article has been placed Under construction. Everyone is welcome to help build the article to have it ready according wiki standards. Looking forward to it. Olga Wills ( talk) 19:43, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: the article is switched under construction status now, so how to remove it from deletion list? Can it be done on the article page or how it can be removed from the list for deletion? Thanks. Olga Wills ( talk) 00:13, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    • OlgaWills2017 the "Under Construction" tag has no bearing on this discussion. 7 days after the discussion was started, or any time thereafter, an admin or an experienced editor may close the discussion. Common outcomes are "Delete", "Keep", and "No Consensus". Other possible outcomes include 'Redirect" and "Merge" but those don't seem to apply here. You need to find sources and either add them to the article, or simply list them here, in time for editors to read them, and be persuaded that they establish notability for Penedo, and express that view, before those 7 days are up. It may be quicker to list sources her as you find them, and only after that add them to the article. DES (talk) 01:34, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Arbitrary break

  • I'm looking at other wiki articles of Guatemalan politicians to understand better the requirements about type of sources needed for the article, so Edmond Mulet is a Guatemalan politician, there is an article about him exist on wiki and everything, but in the article only 3 sources of references are provided! I don't see any references for the majority of his article, there is no sources provided to cover the article a way it is presented, and in Penedo article there are requests about citations almost in each line despite the link provided for it (the majority of which just mysteriously disappeared...) What is wrong with that picture? Olga Wills ( talk) 04:01, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Question: it says on the top of the article "This article is an orphan", how to link it to the other articles the right way? Olga Wills ( talk) 17:03, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply

@ Reddogsix: @ Tigraan: @ Maproom: @ Sitush: @ DESiegel: @ Cordless Larry: @ Cullen: I would like to thanks Everyone for this discussion even I don't share your opinions completely it was very good learning process for me. I will write another article in the future about another person, let's see how will go. Olga Wills ( talk) 14:01, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. While the conflict of interest is not a valid reason to delete, the quick nomination is - while certainly BITEy - not a reason to keep. In the end, consensus is that the subject is not notable (at this time). So Why 13:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Wigner fusion

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Can't find many references to assert notability from google search. Created by possible COI user. bojo | talk 13:36, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • I just created this page in Hungarian as well, although I've found a couple of references to our sites, but I can tell you more if you would please specifiy what kind of references would you require. Wigner fusion ( talk) 13:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    I would suggest looking for articles that focus on the facility or organization, not necessarily on something that they are doing or planning. Something that is independent of the subject, but that tells someone why the subject is important or unique or otherwise notable. Also, note that an article with "We are..." as opposed to "Wigner Fusion is..." makes me think that someone from Wigner Fusion wrote the article - and that would violate several policies. Have a look at our policy on writing from a neutral point of view for guidance. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 14:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Boomer Vial Holla! We gonna ball! 03:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The nomination comes 4 minutes after the creation of the article, and is against WP:BITE. The user might be having a COI issue, and it is being/will be discussed on their talk page. Meanwhile, I will try changing the tone of the article to be more neutral. I would suggest withdrawing the quick nomination, and nominating again in a week or so if the current problems seem unaddressed. RoCo (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep for time being. Xxanthippe ( talk) 01:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC). reply
  • Comment. Hi, would you consider not to delete this page and remove the article-for-deletion notice please? The user name conflict has been solved and as I can see the text have been fixed. Many thanks. Tamas.Szabolics ( talk) 08:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    Debates of this type usually last 7 days. This gives editors who might not visit the article regularly a chance to see and comment on whether the article should be deleted. That said, if the concerns above have been addressed, then the article will likely be kept and the notices removed. If you want to edit the article to address some of those concerns (say, by making it more neutral or adding additional sources or whatever), that would go a long way to helping make sure the article is Kept. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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Comment Sorry but you are wrong I could find reliable sources mentioning Wigner fusion, also dozens of images can be found in Google photos search, try regular search not news Tamas.Szabolics ( talk) 07:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Consensus is that he meets the notability guideline for tennis players. Whether that guideline is too lenient, is not a question for AfD. So Why 13:15, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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As far as I can see this is a non-notable tennis player. He doesn't appear to pass the notability guidelines for tennis player. He doesn't regularly compete on the ATP World Tour. His only three appearances in a World Tour event were Wild Cards (so not achieved on merit) for an event in his home country in doubles (which is less notable than singles anyway). Moreover all three of those matches and did not even win a set. T v x1 12:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - meets WP:NTENNIS as he appeared in 3 ATP World Tour level matches. Unsourced but sources can easily be found. Just because he hasn't won, doesn't mean he doesn't fit the notability guideline. If you feel it is too weak, you can start a discussion for stricter guidelines. But as of now, he meets the criteria. Adamtt9 ( talk) 12:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)Note to closing admin: Adamtt9 ( talkcontribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply
  • Literally speaking, you might be correct. However, I think some discretion should be used. Three ATP World Tour matches through wildcards for events in his home country resulting in three straight sets losses for the win of just 11 games can hardly be claimed to constitute "competing on the ATP World Tour". Experience has taught me that generally making the main draw of a World Tour event through merit (=successfully passing through qualifying or gathering enough ranking points to gain direct entry) is what is used as the bar to assert notability. Add to that that doubles is inherently less notable than singles (that's how it this, unfortunately. I can enjoy watching a good doubles match myself but I have to accept that it attracts less interest) and I don't think you can genuinely claim that this person is a notable tennis player. And yes, achievement does matter. What they achieve is inherently what makes sportspeople notable. T v x1 16:57, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • FWIW, all three tournaments weren't home tournaments. One was in Spain, and you can't just twist around the notability guidelines to make them what you want. They say that a player must participate in an ATP level match, regardless of whether he received a wildcard or not. And he seems to be generally notable, as there are many hits if you search his name. Adamtt9 ( talk) 17:03, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I don't know if I would devalue wildcards the way that you do. Many wildcards have some requirement (e.g., the US Open usually gives wildcards to the NCAA champions, USTA champions, and top finisher from a series of Challenger tournaments). No idea how this player earned his, but considering its distinct tournaments in different countries, he must have accomplished something to earn those wildcards. I don't mean that to say I know he met a requirement, but if he achieved that little he would have maybe gotten one, but not three and not three in three separate tournaments in two different countries. I could see disputing the quality of a player with just one wildcard in their home country, but three is too many to just dismiss. RonSigPi ( talk) 02:29, 21 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - Agree with the nomination, and WP:NTENNIS needs revising. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 15:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep - This is one of those players that makes it by the guidelines, but sucks. There's always a few, just like we have players who make it by GNG, but have never played a pro tournament in their life. Are the guidelines too lenient, possibly, but they are easy to follow. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep - So he meets the guideline, but that only gives a presumption. Here, two things make me say we stick with the presumption. First, this is a player from a non-English speaking country. How many editors evaluating speak Portuguese? I don't, so I don't think I can fairly evaluate sources or my lack of finding sources would be reasonable to indicate they are not out there. Second, he played in three different tournaments in three different years. Yes its doubles and yes he lost all three times, but his top-level career has spanned three years over multiple countries. Considering those factors, I say keep. RonSigPi ( talk) 02:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep He meets WP:NTENNIS as written. As a person who appears to still be active in a tennis career, we should keep the page based on that presumption. That said, I would support revising WP:NTENNIS to require an appearance at the ATP World Tour Masters 1000 level to be considered notable. Power~enwiki ( talk) 18:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    That's not likely to happen. Like baseball players we also have Olympic players, Davis Cup players, Fed Cup players, etc... Baseball does not automatically recognize minor league players, but tennis does IF they win a minor league title. Bseball automatically recognizes every major league player in the US, Japan and Korea. Baseball automatically recognizes any player who has played in an international competition. It could be argued that each ATP 500 and ATP 250 level tournament is an International competition. The ATP tour and WTA tour "are" the tennis major leagues. The ATP and WTA Challenger tours are still professional but are considered the minor leagues. The ITF is professional but is considered the minor-minor league of tennis. The way it is set up today is no minor-minor league player is notable. Minor league players are notable only if they win a championship. Major league players are always notable. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    And that's the point of this AFD. This player is not a "major league player". He received three solitary invitations (two of which were in his home country) to compete in the lowest class of tournaments (ATP 250) in the "major league" in doubles (which is the lesser notable of the two types of events) and didn't even win a set in any attempt. He has never come close to actually earning the right to compete in any of the "major league" tournaments on actual merit, let alone to compete in the "major league" full time. He has never been ranked above 1500. He has never achieved anything which we consider to be notable by our guidelines. T v x1 21:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    He was ranked 352 in doubles though. Not above 1500 in singles because I don't believe he plays singles anymore. Adamtt9 ( talk) 22:11, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    There's clearly consensus a strong sense that WP:NTENNIS is unreasonable here. I've stricken my keep vote and am starting a discussion of its revision. Power~enwiki ( talk) 22:00, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Where is there consensus that WP:NTENNIS is unreasonable??? Adamtt9 ( talk) 22:30, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    There isn't. No guidelines fit everything perfectly, which is why they are guidelines. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 23:50, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Even in terms of just this discussion, two out of five is nowhere near consensus. Adamtt9 ( talk) 00:38, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Ignoring WP:NTENNIS for a minute, do you feel this player is notable? Power~enwiki ( talk) 02:02, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Yes. A quick Google search does give a good amount of results, and who knows how many more Portuguese results there are. Adamtt9 ( talk) 02:06, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    And those google results are nothing but his match results and stats. These fall under WP:Routine. It's not only the amount of mentions that is important. T v x1 02:59, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    That is a good point. Usually to pass GNG a player needs a little more oomph to the resume, like an interview. This particular player has been in three Major league ATP tennis draws but they were wild cards. From that we can take away a couple of things. Perhaps there could be a tweak to the tennis guidelines that "wild cards" will need to source additional GNG to make the cut. But on the flipside, wild cards to home country ATP events are usually given to bring in revenue. Those players are popular enough or good enough in their own country that a tournament wants to include them. So they could likely pass GNG in Brazil. Articles other than just scores can be found, such as here and here or perhaps here. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Which is why we have guidelines. An English search for a Portuguese-language player competing in Spanish-speaking Spain won't yield anything. We have to make judgment calls. We have a guideline that the community has established. One editor's opinion should not simply sway the collective decision of the entire community, especially when the subject does not just technically meet the guideline, but exceeds it by appearing in different events in different years (so no WP:1E). RonSigPi ( talk) 21:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I'm still confused. I don't see a case based on his singles career, but there may be one based on doubles. Appearing in the championship match of an ATP250 tournament is different from simply entering one. But his Wikipedia page doesn't currently link or refer to any ATP250 or above tournaments he competed in. Power~enwiki ( talk) 23:00, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Passes WP:NTENNIS. He is also very much active and reached his career high doubles ranking just last month, after the three ATP Tour appearances. I think it's premature to make a judgement yet, a retired player would make a better test case if these guidelines are to be challenged. Jevansen ( talk) 00:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:48, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Not sure if this matches the notability criteria. Uncletomwood ( talk) 04:49, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable film spamed by creator. Magog the Ogre ( t c) 04:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Advertorially tinted WP:BLP of radio DJ and writer, which makes notability claims ("two of the best selling books on the subject") but fails to properly source them as true; the only sources here are the primary source program schedule of the station where he works, and a contextless unfootnoted list of incomplete citations in the format "Insight Magazine 1984" (which, great, but WHAT article in Insight Magazine WHEN in 1984?) This simply is not the kind of sourcing it takes to get a person into Wikipedia, and nothing here entitles him to an exemption from having to be referenced properly. Bearcat ( talk) 03:33, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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To be fair, I'm pretty sure that "Cat Andrew" is a stage name rather than his real name — so it's possible that he did work for the stations in question under a different name which the creator just failed to specify. But, of course, we would require reliable sourcing to properly verify that, so removing the claims wasn't wrong. Bearcat ( talk) 14:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete and redirect to Dillon Francis discography. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No track listing nor references, release date is more than six months away, the {{ PROD}}, {{ nn}} and {{ nr}} tags were all removed from the article. Jax 0677 ( talk) 03:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was withdrawn by nom per below. ( non-admin closure) -- George Ho ( talk) 02:04, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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There are some sources discussed on the talk page, but nothing that would allow to make an article without synthesis. Seems like a subject more suited for the Urban Dictionary. KarlPoppery ( talk) 02:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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What I don't find is any article about, let's say, the history of skip day, or the phenomenon of skip day as a whole across all schools. All the sources describe skip day differently. Is it an American thing, or a Canadian and American thing? Did it really start with a movie? Is it associated with a particular date? How common is this tradition? You can basically make up what you want, because the sources show you different examples but there's no prior wp:synthesis. For that reason, all version of this article in it's twelve years of existence have been terrible (even if arguably kind of funny). If it survives the AfD and you turn it into a decent article, I'll be impressed. KarlPoppery ( talk) 15:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep here's one source from Caltech [43]. It's conceptual/folkloric in nature, beyond "near the end of the school year" I don't think there is a well-defined day of the year when it happens. Power~enwiki ( talk) 18:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Power~enwiki: Well... This is again a source about "skid day at one particular school". It's not about skip day in general. We can collect all these examples and infer general principles, but that's agains't the policies of Wikipedia. KarlPoppery ( talk) 18:59, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment: Here is an actual article about it from the Huffington Post which I found just doing a cursory search [44]. There appear to be several others out there from both major newspapers and magazines, as well as being mentioned in a few books. Yes, this article does badly need work, but that's not reason to delete. But I think a good "unsourced" or "needs references" tag would help as well as listing on a noticeboard. I also recommend just letting the vote unfold naturally. No need to counter every Keep vote with a delete rationale. It will all balance out in the end. - O.R. Comms 19:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Alright. I just wanted to make my point clear, but if there's truly interest toward the article, I'm happy to give it a shot. I'll withdraw my nomination. KarlPoppery ( talk) 19:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I've done what I think is enough editing to make the article keepable; more work could be done. Power~enwiki ( talk) 19:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. with no prejudice against speedy renomination. ( non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 04:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

The North Fork Championship

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Non-notable. Most of the search results are self-published, local, or esoteric to kayakers. Esprit15d • talk contribs 02:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep We seem to be nearing a place in AfD's where "local coverage" means "Any news outlet in the same state". The Idaho Statesman is, by any reasonable evaluation, a WP:RS independent of the subject and the largest paper in Idaho and its article on the event is certainly significant. It also has significant, independent RS coverage from the largest broadcast station in the state. Dismissing these as "local" is like dismissing a story about the New York City mayor because all the coverage is in the New York Times and Bloomberg. "Local coverage" is being twisted to carve out articles that qualify under WP:GNG, which this satisfies. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:10, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. So Why 13:11, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

The Welcoming Committee (WWE)

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:ENTERTAINER. The individuals are notable, but the team is not. No significant coverage of the team in reliable independent sources. All sources in the article are WP:ROUTINE. Also WP:TOOSOON. Nikki 311 02:54, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete and redirect to One Million Signatures#Persecution. While deletion is the consensus, Robert Loup is correct that WP:1E advises to redirect to the event in such cases where general notability does not exist. Since 1E is also the reason cited for deletion, deleting and redirecting is the correct solution within policy and guidelines. Regards So Why 13:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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She's not notable enough per WP:ONEEVENT. I nominate it specially because I could not find sources deeply dealing with the subject for reasons other than her 2007 event. Mhhossein talk 14:55, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Getrag. WP:NPASR, either at AfD or RfD, due to low participation. (non-admin closure) f e minist 03:10, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Toyota V transmission

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Fails WP:GNG. No references, reads like a technical specification manual. WP:NOTDIR. Some aspects certainly seem like OR ( WP:NOR) MB 01:29, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 03:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

2018 NASCAR Xfinity Series

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I believe this article falls under WP:TOOSOON. No reputable sources about the series exist, and the official schedule has not been announced yet.

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  • Speedy keep This was just kept less than a month ago in an AfD. There is ample information available in the article, and consensus was unanimous to keep only a few weeks ago. Nothing's changed since then. Smartyllama ( talk) 15:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    • As someone with a lot of interest in the sport, most of the information in the article is WP:SPECULATION. The only article that has information that can be validated is the Cup article. I took the following from the schedule section: "The initial schedule, comprising 33 races, was released on March 26, 2017, A final schedule with some modifications made in conjunction with broadcast partners FOX & NBC was released on July 27, 2016." How was a final schedule made before the initial schedule was even released? Most of this article appears to be copied from the previous season or complete speculation/rumors for the new season. – Nascar1996 ( talkcont) 21:16, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy keep per Smartyllama. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:55, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 05:36, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Aynsley China

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Fails WP:NCORP. Independent RS online covers primarily one event: closing a store down. Delete. Mr. Guye ( talk) ( My aftermath) 01:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • It does seem odd that this company that has been continuous operation since the late 18th century would not have more book cites. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 02:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - it's a well-known British china manufacturer with a long history. I've tidied the article and added some referenced information to support its notability: improving an article is usually preferable to nominating it for deletion. Bad-patches ( talk) 18:18, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to List of notable traffic collisions (2000–present). consensus was to merge existing notable (i.e. those with wikipages) accidents into a newly created page combining the time period of all 3 existing articles. ( non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 23:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

List of traffic collisions (2015–present)

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Verging on WP:RUNOFTHEMILL but I cannot find any guidelines regarding ROTM road accidents - all are non notable bar the odd few with their own pages. There are millions of RTCs every year that are non-notable. We do not need a list for all of them that have BBC News articles.

Same applies for; and also nominating:
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  • Delete there are far too many traffic collisions in this year for this list to be comprehensive; the selection of events for this page is inherently biased. Individual events might be notable, and a category for them might be relevant, but having this as a stand-alone page seems silly. Power~enwiki ( talk) 19:15, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Merge all and move to List of notable traffic collisions (2000–present) as having a page simply on run-of-the-mill traffic collisions seems too silly, but the page itself seems worthy for improvement. ToThAc ( talk) 19:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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185.59.158.22:- Two questions - define "Useful" within the topic and where are the sources for the unsourced items? Nördic Nightfury 15:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Yeah...that vote might fall under question per ITSUSEFUL.
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The result was no consensus. Opinion split between keep and delete. (non-admin closure) f e minist 01:40, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Moree Boomerangs

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Does not meet WP:NCORP. There's not been enough significant coverage. Note that WP:NSPORTS isn't applicable. Yashovardhan ( talk) 08:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • This is a poorly written stub with no indication of notability and my understanding of the Australian league system is that this club plays at such a low level that Wikipedia notability guidelines are unlikely to be met anytime soon. I appreciate the links that User:Doctorhawkes has provided, but I'm not sure just proving the club exists is enough for it to pass GNG. If the club ever successfully applies to a higher level of amateur/semi-pro Rugby league in Australia, my view would likely change to keep and improve, but for now it's delete. Skemcraig ( talk) 13:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, the level of the league that the club participates in is completely irrelevant, what is relevant is that there are substantial sources in multiple credible metro papers that discuss the club and its history in detail. Meets the WP:GNG and then some. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 07:06, 5 May 2017 (UTC). reply
RE: "the level of the league that the club participates in is completely irrelevant" – I've seen amateur club articles deleted for that exact rationale, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. Skemcraig ( talk) 13:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Is there a policy you can cite to that effect? The relevant notability guideline that I can see is WP:ORG. Granted, most amateur footy clubs won't have that much substantial independent coverage, but this one isn't your average amateur club for a variety of reasons that the sources listed above go into. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 00:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC). reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 01:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The drummer of Rise Against. I'm not convinced he is personally notable outside of the band, and the article seems to broadly just be a biography of them, with a little bit on his personal life, but nothing to assert any independent notability. Precedent is to not have articles on every member of a band, even if they're especially famous, unless they independently warrant it. Note first AFD was a different subject (a jazz musician). KaisaL ( talk) 17:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge (minimally) to Rise Against. Worth a redirect at least. His previous band should really be mentioned there ( this source could be used), but the lack of sourced content here means there's not much else mergeworthy. -- Michig ( talk) 18:58, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The other members have their own articles, I don't see why the article on the drummer was singled out for nomination for deletion. As for the non sourced material, perhaps someone can find sources? Abstrakt ( talk) 02:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment I'm not sure the above keep arguments have sufficiently demonstrated he's independently notable. I'm not disputing his obvious notability as part of Rise Against, but I don't see what he has done independently to warrant an article. Other members having an article isn't a reason, and sources coming up on news - many of which will be about the band - isn't really either. If there's reliable, substantial sources covering him as an individual outside of the band, then sure, that's different. Note many, many big bands don't have any members with an article of their own. I appreciate this final sentence is a bit WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but as an example of my point, Matthew Healy from The 1975 - a band of equal or higher fame - is that band's singer and he doesn't have an article. KaisaL ( talk) 14:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Adequate reliable and verifiable sources that are about him independently to meet the notability standard. Alansohn ( talk) 02:31, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Weak consensus, but no other editor opted for deletion after two relists. (non-admin closure) f e minist 01:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable actor. Only third-party source is an AP blurb about his recent death. Article is a decade old and has never been improved. sixtynine • speak up • 22:25, 25 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The coverage us there, I just can't read it. And obits often make good sources because they are concise. Dloh cierekim 04:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:37, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet requirements for WP:GNG. Atsme 📞 📧 00:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Slight WP:IAR and closing this two days early due to zero opposition, plus disruption on the article itself by the creator (despite being blocked once for it). Primefac ( talk) 16:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Biographical article which does not demonstrate notability of the subject. Extensive research online does not reveal any evidence that the subject meets the notability requirements for academics, nor meets the general notability criteria. Current references are a second author credit on one scientific paper and an abstract for a conference. There's also no evidence their work is itself notable which could indicate the possibility of the subject also being notable, or an alternative avenue for the author to pursue. The original drafts were deleted for their promotional content, the version nominated was sufficiently pared down to not be speedily deletable. Nick ( talk) 22:10, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 03:07, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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POV fork article. The scandal is well covered in the main Wells Fargo article and this article will lead to a bunch of edit warring between affected customers and satisfied customers. ANDROS1337 TALK 22:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, or perhaps Merge. There should not be two separate coverages of this; it belongs on the Wells Fargo page. The only problem there is there are so damned many things like it. Anmccaff ( talk) 22:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Then let's move it there, no? This is at best a POV fork waiting to happen, and at worst one which has already happened. No dispute about the seriousness or importance, but unless this article grows dramatically, it all belongs on the main page. Anmccaff ( talk) 23:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Ir's a fairly new article, and by no means does "scandal" indicate a difference of POV. I've also not asserted any sort of owership over it...no reverts, no nothing. I can only again reassert my shock at this nomination and assert that "this article will lead to a bunch of edit warring between affected customers and satisfied customers" is at best a nonsensical support of merge/delete.-- MainlyTwelve ( talk) 00:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I think you are answering accusations no one has made. Is the take on this exactly the same as in the main article? No? Then there is a POV fork. Is it the same? Then why do we have two articles?
No, you haven't reverted anyone; how could you, no one else has edited it. I think that should be setting off alarm bells.
I'm not sure "scandal" is the best word, because you can a scandal wit nothing behind it, but I didn't raise any question about that, nor did anyone else.
Finally, I'm not sure it's the customers edits we gotta worry about. Anmccaff ( talk) 00:52, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Customers being grifted by their own bank is definitely not a "POV issue", and any time a rationale contains a "edit wars will ensue if we keep this" line (especially when there hasn't been any other editors yet) I pretty much discount the nom right away; nobody is going to deny this happened, even WelzFargoFanboyStagecoachDRVR1852. Give our contributors more credit for being neutral, please. Nate ( chatter) 01:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Ummm, no one is saying that Customers being grifted by their own bank is ... a "POV issue". What two of us are saying is that the coverage of this should not be a separate article from the main Wells Fargo one, until and unless it grows to a point of being unmanageable, or ages to the point that a smaller mention is justified in the WF article. Right now, it's big enough and new enough it should be front and center, and unified.
No one said "edit wars will ensue if we keep this", or any line like that; if you want to argue that, go and find someone making the argument.
The fact that there have been no other editors, and only a minimal number of readers so far is exactly the problem being raised. It's a cul-de-sac, not a part of the mainstream. Now, I could see the point that i hasn't had enough time to catch on, but...no, I can't actually. This was, and is, a damned big story. The fact that no one looking at it definitely says something. Anmccaff ( talk) 01:45, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
ANDROS explicitly wrote "this article will lead to a bunch of edit warring between affected customers and satisfied customers".-- MainlyTwelve ( talk) 22:45, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
My apologies. I seem to have been skimming only for your literal words. I agree with you that edit wars, in and of themselves, are no reason to delete something. I disagree that this needs -two- articles. This should all be in the main Wells Fargo article for now. Anmccaff ( talk) 23:10, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
How? This is still a current issue for WF an its Victimscustomers, and should be a major part of the article. Anmccaff ( talk) 16:33, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Clearly, there is a consensus to delete here. Dennis Brown - 20:39, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Walter van Dyk

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Contested PROD: original premis was 'This obvious autobiography or paid-editing PR piece has been tagged as (almost) unreferenced for seven years now, and there comes a point when one has to assume the references won't be forthcoming. A few hits on Google, but I can't see any independent coverage other than the three references already in this article—the rest are all either theatrical listings, imdb and imdb-type "list everyone who appeared" databases for obvious bit-part roles like "Gay Biker Man at Funeral", and mirrors of the Wikipedia article.' Reason for PROD removal was 'has references'; unfortunately this did not make clear why having references conveys notability. Or even significance, for that matter. So, here we are. A WP:BEFORE demonstrates few if any reliable sources discussing him in roles or any impact made in them. So fails WP:NACTOR. On top of this, the few sources that even mention him do so in passing, with little depth or the persistence in coverage from reliable sources that one might expect from the *broad* claims made in the article. Fails WP:ANYBIO. Yeah, he was in a helluva load of famous plays; but per WP:NOTINHERITED, that seems to be the extent of involvement in fame or anything close to it. And that's not counting the WP:PROMO, WP:UPE, or WP:COI that's probably involved here. — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 21:44, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply


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  • Delete--I did not realize that there were so few reliable hits for this person: delete this resume. Drmies ( talk) 03:11, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I found passing mentions like this but nothing that would be possible to create a reasonable and properly sourced article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:26, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Fails all aspects of WP:NACTOR, fails WP:ANYBIO, fails WP:CREATIVE (for photography). Some of the credits seem to be not quite correct, for instance IMDb lists "Septimus" as "Patrician #3", etc. (Btw, Ref#3 is from an edition of Screen World and consist of a listing for the movie's cast/crew, it is not in-depth coverage or an actual article or interview.) Article also asserts notability for being a singer but subject fails WP:MUSICBIO, only mention of van Dyk at the Portland Chamber Music site is as the narrator in the (one-week+ residency performance's) 2007 & 2008 ensembles. Not all stage performances are notable enough to prove notability for Wikipedia's purposes and appearances as minor figures in theatrical films also do not convey notability. Shearonink ( talk) 15:53, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Note For the benefit of those who might not see it—and to preserve it in case the talkpage is deleted—copy-pasting this comment from the article talk page (some slight fixes by me to the formatting for display purposes but no wording change):
  • Firstly, I am the son of Dutch composer Rudi Martinus van Dijk (see Wikipedia) which for historical reasons is of interest. Secondly, I have been a British actor for the past 35 years and I am well known to the profession which is significantly different to being a celebrity. It is of interest to people in the Arts. If there is something specifically which is felt unnecessary and needs editing then by all means let me know. I myself do not know how references are sourced and created in Wikipedia but if you tell me how I can look into this.

    Best wishes,

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  • So I ran an news archive search. Found: Arts Planner, Keyes, Bob. Portland Press Herald; Portland, Me. [Portland, Me]03 Aug 2008: E.1. "Among the highlights of this year's festival is the return of Walter van Dyk, the British stage actor who made a big impact last season when he narrated Stravinsky's "The Soldier's Tale." [4]; "it was a nice idea to put these works together, particularly in the form conceived by the Dante Quartet and the actor Walter van Dyk," Classical: The Independent; London (UK) [London (UK)]26 Dec 2007: 14. [5]; "The Narrator (Walter van Dyk) kept things on the boil" Stravinsky on the march CLASSICAL, Norris, GeoffreyAuthor InformationView Profile. The Daily Telegraph; London (UK) [London (UK)]07 July 2005: 026. [6]; "Only in the third act did things take off, and that was because three performers with impeccable comic timing were given their head - Dolton, Walter Van Dyk as a randy old prisoner, and the protean Simon Butteriss." La Perichole Garsington Opera at Wormsley ** Church, Michael. The Independent; London (UK) [London (UK)]26 June 2012: 44. [7] and more. I didn't scan them all. @ Walter van Dijk: If profiles of or interviews with Van Dyk have been published (not by the a theatre or event sponsor, in the news media) you could add those to this discussion. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:55, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I have reinstated his photograph to improve the look of the page. -- Walter van Dijk 15:08 19 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:54, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

RACAJ monument

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Don't see any real sources for this. Source given is just google maps, but looking just showed light weight references. Very new, perhaps too new. Dennis Brown - 21:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Delete looks like a hoax. A Clio award? A Golden Lion at Cannes? I don't think so. Mduvekot ( talk) 22:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Single line article about a non notable TV channel. Previous prod deleted following addition of some references which do not equate to notability. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   20:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:20, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Theory of hyper-random phenomena

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Published papers concerning this new theory are essentially all the work of a single author, apparently also the author of this article, with almost no recognition elsewhere. WP:TOOSOON comes to mind. Lithopsian ( talk) 20:44, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - This year it will be published in Springer a new monograph concerning the theory of hyper-random phenomena: Gorban, I.I.: Randomness and Hyper-randomness. Springer (2017) [8]. Publication Date: October 5, 2017. 93.74.159.69 ( talk) 06:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 17:11, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The citations are either brief quotations, brief mentions, self-published, or press releases. No independent coverage, and a search turned up nothing better. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO Narky Blert ( talk) 20:26, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Backpacker (US slang)

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The page as written belongs in Urban Dictionary, I don't see any evidence either term on the page is in popular use as slang in the United States. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:01, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. No consensus on salting, but further recreation without a deletion review or addressing the issues will call for locking. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Ian Anderson (soccer)

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Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was declined on the grounds that the article is substantially different than the one that was deleted two years ago. However, the underlying notability concerns remain. He has still not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article still fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 19:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Series does not appear to meet WP:NTV— this article consists almost exclusively of an extended plot summary, and provides no evidence that the series has been the subject of any independent reliable verifiable secondary publications. A Google search provides ample evidence that the subject exists... but Existence ≠ Notability. KDS4444 ( talk) 19:42, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep (Nomination withdrawn). (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 18:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Book series does not appear to meet WP:NBOOK. Reviews in Figment and Publisher's Weekly are not selective and include no editorial oversight. Many are simply fan reviews. Book series has won no literary awards, nor does it appear to have been the subject of substantive discussion in multiple reliable secondary sources. A Google search turns up the official website, then this article, then Goodreads, Barnes & Noble, and Amazon reviews, all of which are churned out by readers and are not measures of notability. KDS4444 ( talk) 19:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Let's go through NBOOKS. Point 1: Several books in the series have been on the New York Times' best seller list. [1] [2] [3] [4] Indeed, the presence of popular children's books like Redwall and Harry Potter is one of the things that pushed the New York Times to spin off the children's best sellers from the adult best sellers in 2000. [5] For some additional non-trivial published mentions, see the author's obituary in the New York Times, An article from Audubon about the importance of antropomorphic animals in children's literature leading to a love of animals in adults, This and this article in the Guardian listing the best books for children and teenagers, and given time I can find more. Point 2: Four of the books in the series were nominated for Carnegie medals. [6] They have also won other awards, such as Lancashire Book of the Year (3 times), and Western Australian Young Readers' Award 4 times. [7] Point 3: The books have been adapted into other art forms such as a t.v. series (see sources cited in that article), and a graphic novel. [8] Point 4: Here are some books designed for primary school teachers teaching Redwall. [9] [10] [11] I think it clearly meets WP:NBOOKS and the WP:GNG. ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) problem solving 21:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ "Children's Best Sellers". New York Times. 23 July 2000. Retrieved 11 May 2017.
  2. ^ "BEST SELLERS: November 16, 2003". New York Times. 16 November 2003.
  3. ^ "Best Sellers Plus". New York Times. 24 January 1999.
  4. ^ "Children's Books". New York Times. 24 October 2008.
  5. ^ Smith, Denita (24 June 2000). "The Times Plans a Children's Best-Seller List". New York Times.
  6. ^ Gebel, Doris (2006). Crossing Boundaries with Children's Books. Scarecrow Press. p. 327. ISBN  9780810852037.
  7. ^ "WEST AUSTRALIAN YOUNG READERS' BOOK AWARD". Retrieved 11 May 2017.
  8. ^ Beckett, Sandra (2010). Crossover Fiction: Global and Historical Perspectives. Routledge. ISBN  9781135861292.
  9. ^ Polette, Nancy (2005). Teaching Thinking Skills with Fairy Tales and Fantasy. Libraries Unlimited. ISBN  9781591583202.
  10. ^ Perry, Phyllis (Sep 8, 2003). Teaching Fantasy Novels: From The Hobbit to Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. ABC-CLIO.
  11. ^ Fry, Edward; Kress, Jacqueline (Jul 5, 2012). The Reading Teacher's Book Of Lists. John Wiley & Sons.
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Red X I withdraw my nomination , somewhat reluctantly KDS4444 ( talk) 06:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Back Stabber (2016 TV series)

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This is bordering on a hoax with the poor attempt to manufacture notability by spamming press releases all over the internet. All of the sources in this article and others that I've come across in my search are more or less user generated from what appears to be the subjects marketing team. I can find nothing reliable to support any claims in this article other than it's existence on Amazon. (Prod had expired but another user declined before deletion.) Appears to be similar to the attempt made at Ryan Zamo to fluff up the sources. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Notability is established by significant coverage in third party sources - this is an example. The fact that the creator of the show has been interviewed for the story should not count against it.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 18:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I realize that and it doesn't count against it however it doesn't satisfy the "independent reliable coverage" portion as it's coverage of what someone directly involved with the subject is saying...about the subject. So pretty much the definition of not independent. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
It's the source itself, the publication, that needs to be independent! I'm fairly sure Ryan Zamo does not work for northjersey.com.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 19:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Pawnkingthree The publisher is independent, perhaps however an interview is them talking about themselves/their business ventures. So the content and the source itself is not independent. It's the same idea behind why a press release on Reuters or another independent source isn't considered independent reliable source in terms of coverage...if there is no actual coverage aside from one interview from a local source, that doesn't bode well for the coverage. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Hmm. More is needed anyway. The Huffington Post (not exactly a gold standard as a RS, I know) has this, although the headline and the fact that the writer falls for the ridiculous "considered for multiple Golden Globe Awards" hype isn't a good sign. I'm beginning to think it's going to be difficult to salvage this article once all the puffery is stripped out.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 19:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Pawnkingthree I appreciate your attempt to salvage it but even that HP article is...well, it's pretty telling that all the things that article cites are the same as what is in this article (and it appears to be more of a blog entry rather than HP's actual content.) CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete: I'm not sure I'd call it a hoax, but it's painfully clear that almost every single source is either an interview (not an RS), a press release (not an RS), or some kind of social media site (slashdot is user-submitted content, also not an RS). It is also plain that there has been a concerted and focused attempt to fluff the marketing, which means we must be especially careful in scrutinizing every source that is presented with regard to this article. We should also be especially careful to not encourage this sort of behavior by allowing this to spiral out of hand. Let's just delete this and get it over with. Waggie ( talk) 19:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as this article is sourced using press releases and interviews. Obvious attempts at WP:PROMO. -- Dane talk 19:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete this is an amateur production self-published on Amazon, and has not achieved the necessary notability for that type of work. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I did my best to come up with sufficient reliable sources, but no luck. If it ever achieves enough recognition for proper reviews by critics or other similar coverage then it can be re-created at a later date.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 20:13, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn ( non-admin closure) Lepricavark ( talk) 18:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Can't find any secondary sources to establish notability. TheMagikCow ( T) ( C) 18:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Withdrawn: per WP:SK1, found sources, [11], [12] and [13]. TheMagikCow ( T) ( C) 18:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Universal Wrestling Federation (Herb Abrams). (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

UWF World Heavyweight Championship / SportsChannel America Television Championship

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Non-notable wrestling Championship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.188.140 ( talk) 17:53, 11 May 2017‎ (UTC) reply

Created from Prod rationale as a Prod has previously been declined on the this article. ~ GB fan 18:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. As editors have said, demonstrating notability requires multiple sources. Arguments about WP:ENT are hollow as the person still must meet WP:GNG, and all claims must be verifiable. The consensus here is that this is not the case. Dennis Brown - 20:38, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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WP:BEFORE shows not enough reliable sources to pass WP:GNG or WP:ENTERTAINER. Waggie ( talk) 17:52, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - the AfD was nominated after the account representing the group had removed without reason the best reference that the article had, which is the coverage in The Guardian - which is reliable, independent and provided reasonably significant coverage noting the surprise success of the group's book, which became a best-seller. I have now reinstated that reference. I also believe the subject qualifies under WP:ENT on the basis of having a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. The fanbase is certainly large (per secondary reference in the The Guardian coverage) and is certainly cult - I neither like football nor video games but clearly there is a huge following by young people who use YouTube as a primary means of entertainment and for whom their favourite content contributors have superstar status. The group is also a football team that draws huge crowds to their charity matches but that doesn't fit neatly into the notability of sports teams. Like the concurrent discussion on the AfD for the Chris Dixon article, the problem is that the Sidemen article will attract IP editors who will want to add trivia and unsourced material, so some level of page protection will prove necessary in due course if the article is kept. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 21:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
WP:GNG calls for 3-5 independent and reliable sources to establish notability. ONE good reference just isn't sufficient. I'm not sure where a "cult" following comes into this, and a large fan base cannot be established by number of followers on YouTube, as followers can easily be purchased en masse. Waggie ( talk) 16:14, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Where does GNG say anything about 3-5 references? The bit about cult following comes from WP:ENT, which states that notability of entertainers can be established in any one of three ways, the second way being "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." How would that be established? It is a subjective measure, and in that regard the number of YouTube subscribers provides a useful indicator. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 18:06, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
As noted in the Chris Dixon (Youtuber) AfD, it says "multiple sources". "Multiple" means "having or involving several parts, elements, or members", and "several" means "more than two but not many." (emphasis added). Hence the range 3-5 that I describe. Also as noted in the other AfD, WP:AUD states "The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." As noted above regarding WP:ENT and a "cult following", the number of Youtube subscribers is NOT an accurate measure because they can be easily purchased en masse in order to artificially inflate one's following (a problem with treating ANY social media subscriber base as a measure of importance) and besides that Youtube is clearly not a reliable source in any case except for in VERY specific circumstances which is established in WP:RS. Waggie ( talk) 00:44, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
"The Sidemen YouTube channel was set up especially for the match, going from zero subscribers to one million subscribers in just three days, making it the fastest YouTube channel in the world, ever to reach one million subscribers." [14] The video of that match has now had 13m views. The team is playing again in a week, and if the article is still around by then, it will be interesting to see if a 27,000 spectator match helps the discussion! Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 21:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Based on that, my inclination is to delete; the charitable event may be notable but I don't see the individual team (or their Youtube channel) as being notable. As a practical note, it may be worth waiting until after May 21 to close this AfD. Power~enwiki ( talk) 02:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
If a celebrity has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following, they're notable, per WP:ENT. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 21:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I meant WP:ITSPOPULAR. A large number of views/subscribers by itself is not notable, it has to be mentioned by reliable, independent third-party sources. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:30, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Waggie and other reasons above. There isn't a significant amount of news/secondary sources on them to show their notability. Despite having a large fan base, other than a book and a football match, I'm not sure the group has done many notable things outside of comedy YouTube videos. Sekyaw (talk) 13:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia doesn't require notables to have done "many notable things". How does this group not meet the second basis of notability in WP:ENT? That is the only test that we need to apply here, surely? If they have "a large or cult following" then they're notable. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 14:06, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Saying that the group has a "large or cult following" is WP:OR. There are thousands of YouTube channels that have over one million subscribers and basing it off of that number should not immediately indicate a cult following, thus any notability whatsoever. Sekyaw (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
No WP:OR is required, the claim of a 'large or cult following' is supported by the reliable, published sources cited in the article. Let's take a closer look:
The Guardian:
  • book sells 26,436 copies in the first three days
Charlton Athletic FC:
  • Sell-out football match in 2016 (15,000 tickers sold)
  • 13 million people have watched the game on YouTube
  • Fastest-growing YouTube channel ever, reaching a million subscribers in three days
Daily Echo - (I recognise this is a local paper):
  • 600,000 people watched the event live on YouTube - a record.
This time next week it will be possible to expand the article due to the football match they are playing in this Sunday which has sold out (27,000 tickets) and this shows that there is an enduring following, rather than this being about one event.
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The result was delete. Based on the discussion, it seems like there aren't enough dedicated sources to satisfy GNG. Numbers of viewers aren't substitutes, alas. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Chris Dixon (YouTuber)

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WP:BEFORE shows not enough reliable sources to pass WP:GNG or WP:ENTERTAINER. Waggie ( talk) 17:51, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - this hinges around the Jersey Evening Post article as the basis for verifying notability. The Jersey Evening Post is the "national" newspaper for Jersey and is a reliable, independent secondary source, and its article provided significant coverage. Note that the web content linked to in that reference is only a precis of the much more extensive coverage that appeared in the print version of the newspaper - from memory it was a full tabloid page, so we must consider the offline source, not the quality of the coverage accessible by the web link. The subject also qualifies under WP:ENT on the basis of a large fan base or a significant "cult" following (3,143,376 YouTube subscribers). The problem with this Wikipedia article is that it is a honeypot for young fans who want to add non-encyclopedic content / trivia, and in the last couple of weeks someone close to the subject has become an editor and added original research. The article needs stripping back, and realistically would need some level of page protection to prevent further additions of unsuitable content. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 21:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Same argument as on Sidemen.. One reliable source does not pass WP:GNG. A minimum of 3-5 reliable sources, with independent and comprehensive coverage is required to pass WP:GNG. A large fan base cannot be determined by followers, as followers can be purchased. YouTube is not a reliable source. Waggie ( talk) 16:17, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
WP:GNG says "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." Where does the "minimum 3-5" come from? Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 17:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
You quote precisely the section I refer to. It says "multiple sources". "Multiple" means "having or involving several parts, elements, or members", and "several" means "more than two but not many." (emphasis added). Hence the range 3-5 that I describe. Also you called the Jersey Evening Post a "local" paper, which it definitely is, even if it reports or syndicates national news. WP:AUD states "The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." I'll admit that WP:AUD is part of WP:ORG. This would seem to be born out in specific to Youtubers by past AfD discussions, such as this AfD, this AfD, and this AfD as some quickly found examples. Waggie ( talk) 00:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete- Fails WP:BLP policy, WP:GNG and WP:PEOPLE subject specific guidelines. Any article containing material about a living person must comply with the policy of biographies of living individuals. This includes any subject specific criteria contained in Wikipedia:Notability (people) which includes WP:ENT.
This article lacks sufficient independent, reliable sources(plural) with significant coverage to establish notability. Current sources are -
  • 6 YouTube references. Not independent and not considered a reliable source.
  • 2 social media sites (Twitter, socialblade.com) not reliable or independent.
  • onefootball.com - a football blog site.
  • mirror.co.uk -m - One sentence trivial mention
  • www.dailyecho.co.uk, and www.justgiving.com - subject not even mentioned.
  • Jersey Evening Post - does contain significant coverage however it is a local paper serving an area with a population of around 100K. Paper/website has an editorial disclaimer that states "it does not give any warranty or representations, express or implied, about its accuracy, completeness, or appropriateness for a particular purpose."
The number of YouTube subscribers may indicate popularity however, that does not translate to notability without verifiable, reliable sources to back that up. CBS527 Talk 10:31, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I get that YouTube videos aren't a reliable source, but those are cited to verify specific content in the article, not to establish notability. The number of subscribers is verifiable [15] from the definitive source. There's no way to categorically prove or disprove the "they might have gamed YouTube to artificially create subscribers" argument because we can't tell whether all those three million are real people. But what we can do is combine the evidence in front of us (as explained in WP:BASIC - the newspaper article plus the number of subscribers plus featuring twice in all-star football matches adds up to this subject being genuine rather than some sort of elaborate sham. (As to the Jersey Evening Post's disclaimer - surely that's a standard blanket precaution that most publications would take. It doesn't mean they're in the business of publishing fake news.) Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 11:21, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
"I get that YouTube videos aren't a reliable source, but those are cited to verify specific content in the article, not to establish notability." Youtube isn't a reliable source. That means it's not a reliable source for verifying content, per WP:RS. That includes "specific content", notability, # of subscribers, etc. Waggie ( talk) 16:08, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
It is entirely valid for the article to use the videos that the subject has created as a source for verifying the (reasonable) claims that the article makes about him. The guidance on video links states that "editors need to watch out for the potential unreliability of the user uploading the video" i.e. that we are to apply good judgment - it doesn't say that video links are not to be relied on at all. "Self-published videos may be used as sources of information about their creator if they meet the requirements seen at restrictions on using self-published sources" ( WP:ABOUTSELF)
Back to what you say about needing 3-5 sources (which is contradicted by WP:N saying "there is no fixed number of sources required"), multiple sources can mean two - see Wikipedia:Verifiability and notability#Notability.
I see that the article List of most subscribed users on YouTube is dependent on YouTube's subscriber counts - pinging @ Clbsfn and Jamesjpk: from WikiProject YouTube to get their view.
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Hello Curb Safe Charmer, thanks for your reply. A notable individual's verified social media accounts are considered reliable for statements they make specifically about themselves, not about the things they do or have done, and it must be cited as such for context, please see WP:BLPSELFPUB and the two sections above that as well. Regarding 3-5 sources, I have stated my rationale already. Even the section you cite states "...but like most bare minimums, rarely enough." even if I disagree with it considering "two" as "multiple", considering the definitions of the relevant words. It's a moot point, however, because there is only one source with comprehensive coverage that is independent, and it's only a local paper. As for the list you refer to, it is extremely problematic and needs pruning down to what reliable sources report, plus other stuff exists is not a valid argument in a deletion discussion. You should be aware also, that pinging a very specific set of users in a deletion discussion is canvassing and isn't allowed. Waggie ( talk) 17:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Hi Power~enwiki, could you specify the notability criteria that establishes that? I'm not aware of any. Waggie ( talk) 20:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
There is none (officially), it's my own personal opinion from reviewing a variety of these proposals over the last month. See my user/talk page for more info. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Hi Power~enwiki, thanks for your reply! It's long established consensus (and established in guidelines) that establishing notability requires reliable sources. Even with the specific notability criteria, they still require reliable sources to verify the content. As Youtube (and other social media platforms) are established as NOT being reliable sources, we simply can't accept supposed viewership/subscribership on social media platforms where such numbers can easily be inflated as a reliable means of determining notability. Reliable sources must be used to support content in articles. Can you understand why we would need that as an encyclopedia? Wikipedia has enough credibility issues already. Waggie ( talk) 20:45, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Press coverage such as [16] leads me to believe the case for notability exists, even if it isn't in the article as written. The main reason I see to delete this article is that it's currently entirely self-promotional in nature. Power~enwiki ( talk) 20:56, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Power~enwiki, thanks again for your reply! As notability isn't inherited, the article you link to doesn't really help for establishing Chris Dixon's notability, as it doesn't even mention him at all, much less discuss him comprehensively. Perhaps he will be notable eventually, but certainly not now. I agree that even outside of the notability issue, the article is highly promotional. The thing about notability and sources is that Wikipedia articles are supposed to be summaries of what reliable sources say on a subject. If there aren't reliable sources discussing a subject, then there literally is nothing to summarize for Wikipedia article. Any article on Chris Dixon would have to be synthesized from a smattering of other sources, which wouldn't be encyclopedic either. Does that make sense? Waggie ( talk) 21:10, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I'm not convinced of your entire argument, but I'm convinced the article needs improvements before it can survive this process. I've struck my previous vote and remain neutral. Power~enwiki ( talk) 21:15, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Fair enough, thank you for discussing it with me, Power~enwiki. Waggie ( talk) 21:23, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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My first reaction was this was a duplicate of Americanization. After reading the article, I realize that it is about a similar but different concept. However, it is unreferenced and it is not clear if this is actually a popular concept. If referenced, I would recommend a merge with Americanization because neither article is very long, and the concepts are very closely related to each other. JDDJS ( talk) 17:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - I thought this sounded plausible, down to the claimed distinction from Americanization (home/abroad). But it's pure WP:OR - there's no definition of the term anywhere, nor does it seem to be used e.g. in Hawaii as claimed for the stated meaning. I don't believe it's a WP:HOAX from the article's tone, but it is not only uncited but unciteable: there's nothing out there. I would have suggested a merge but I can't see anything we could keep, would be happy to be corrected on that. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 18:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and probably redirect as anyone searching this term probably means Americanization. Hyperbolick ( talk) 18:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - WP is not the place for first publication. OR. Anmccaff ( talk) 23:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete per the various above. The only "distinction" I can see between the "-isation/-ization" and "-fication" is that the article on Americanization doesn't currently talk much about a change of identity, while it just as easily could (the one on Russification does, which I think is why this article may have been created). I'd suggest it's a plausible redirect, but definitely not a standalone article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Celbridge. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:45, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Celbridge Community School

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Not eligible for A7 since it's a school, otherwise it'd fit there to a tee. Fine as a sentence or two within Celbridge. Not notable otherwise as currently written. South Nashua ( talk) 17:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:45, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Sarah Fisher Ames

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From the U.S. Senate website, "Frustratingly little is known about the life and career of Sarah Fisher Ames..." It seems her only claims to notability are creating some busts of Abraham Lincoln and opening a hospital during the Civil War. That doesn't seem like enough to pass WP:N. Maybe I'm wrong, if someone can expand this here, I will withdraw my nom. South Nashua ( talk) 17:26, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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keep demonstrates WP:GNG. The current article doesn't have the best sources. But a quick Google search makes some great suggestions that will improve it:

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Good enough. I still think she's borderline on notability, but there might be hope for improvement beyond this addition as well. I personally wasn't sure. In hindsight, a PROD probably would have been better here. South Nashua ( talk) 18:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

keep, as above. I'm taken by the likelihood that Ames was the instigator of (arguably) the most famous portrait of Lincoln: The Interminable, Everlasting Lincolns (Part 1). — jameslucas  ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 15:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 17:12, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Martin Milanov

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article isn't written in english; also fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 04:36, 8 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep As of November 25, 2016 the article showed 11 times representation at highest level of competition on national team as well as presidency of national sports federation, passing WP:NHOCKEY #6 easily. Poor editing is not a AfD concern. Non-English pages are not deleted for lack of translation (usually marked with Template:Not English) instead unless an equivalent article exists in the language wikipedia. bg:wiki has no article on Мартин Миланов making it A7-ineligible. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete He has never competed at the highest level of hockey. His appearances on his national team were in divisions II and IIB. Those are the fourth and fifth levels of the IIHF championships. There is also no significant independent coverage, so neither WP:NHOCKEY nor WP:GNG is met. Papaursa ( talk) 02:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak delete. Hard to verify this is not a hoax with no inline citations to any of the claims. Currently fails WP:V as written. Reads like he may be notable, but no sources... plus, if Paperusa says he fails NHOCKEY, and he clearly fails GNG, it seem like a delete case. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:52, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Contrary to what is stated above he does not meet NHOCKEY as #6 says he must have played in the highest pool of the world championships, his team did not do that. - DJSasso ( talk) 10:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:45, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Feras Bugnah

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lack of coverage to prove notability, unremarkable YouTube personality Mjbmr ( talk) 16:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Dave Joseph (announcer)

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Fails hockey notability criteria WP:NHOCKEY as he has not played in the top league (NHL). Ifnord ( talk) 15:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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I don't think that the references are strong enough to establish notability. TheLongTone ( talk) 14:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Deb Lawrence

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NN artist fails WP:NARTIST . Sourcing may fail GNG as many primaries and listings. WP:NOTPROMO (further WP:COIN#Deb Lawrence) Widefox; talk 14:09, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Cheikh Anta Diop (Digital painting)

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I don't think that the references really establish the notability of this as a work of art, since they are really about the subject of the portrait. TheLongTone ( talk) 14:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. There is a claim of significance: The artwork … has been referenced by scholars and cited online by various Francophone and English intellectuals … but it not sufficiently supported by references. The only cited scholar is Chika Ezeanya-Esiobu. I can't tell from the article if the work has ever been exhibited or used in a way that would make it notable. Mduvekot ( talk) 19:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I didn't find anything significant about this painting and it's creator. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 12:32, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Ubiquitous Telecommunication Technology

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A7 was declined because the article creator contested on the talk page saying that it was part a subsidiary of Etisalat. There was no evidence offered for this, and I couldn't find any reliable sourcing that says this. In any case, this is a non-notable company that doesn't have coverage in sources, and because of the lack of association between the firm and the claimed parent company in sourcing, deletion appears to be the best option at this time. TonyBallioni ( talk) 14:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:35, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Debate over a British Independence Day observed in the United Kingdom

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Following the close of the previous AfD as 'no consensus', I think it is now clear that this article contains nothing that cannot comfortably be included in the Brexit article. Essentially, WP:NOTNEWS; the idea may have trended on twitter for aboy three minutes but a twitterstorm does not confer notability. TheLongTone ( talk) 13:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - I don't believe is a notable topic now, nor has it ever been in the past. I think WP:SYNTH still applies here. Perhaps we could avoid repeating the same arguments made in the last AfD again, and interested editors could review that before rehashing the same lengthy arguments. Shritwod ( talk) 14:18, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete as above and before. Useful content can be merged into the Brexit article, but this is a WP:CFORK. Bondegezou ( talk) 15:37, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom and others, and summarise in 50 words in the main Brexit article. Jdcooper ( talk) 16:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I'm inclined to keep this, mostly because of the large number of reliable sources. I see above that somebody proposed this be included in the Brexit article, but I would oppose that for length. It's a distraction to have a long discussion about something similar but not the same thing in an article. I doubt this would be kept at 50 words within the Brexit article either... White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as a flash in the pan, albeit one with reliable sources. In the event that a public holiday along these lines is established (and I'm sure there was media coverage suggesting that the date Article 50 was triggered was "Independence Day", so surely the date that everything's finalised with Brexit would attract similar coverage and thoughts), that's the time to create an article. At the moment, it's a proposed public holiday, and a lot of places moot these without meriting articles. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:56, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment (added 14 May, my time). There are comparisons being made to other proposals (or at least proposed-proposals) in British politics at the moment by the article creator a couple of entries below. The second Scottish independence referendum is - as far as I'm aware on the other side of the world - something which is substantially further advanced, in that it would be highly unlikely not to get as far as Westminster (as opposed to a potential public holiday commemorating an event which is still ongoing and which isn't sort of "set to happen" yet). The question of "Londependence" has (per its own article) been discussed at least by some since the 1990s, and apparently more loudly since 2014, much less 2016. That said, while it doesn't really enter into considerations here, that latter may not necessarily be the best example of an article in and of itself, and may also do better in articles about London's government or reactions to Brexit. A discussion for another day, though. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:15, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete This is a perfect example of a topic we should not cover. This is speculation sourced mainly from a couple of dubious tabloid newspapers and blogs. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. AusLondonder ( talk) 04:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - very obvious keep too. The lack of research or logic here is bizarre. Petitions with national media coverage? Yep. Discussed in Parliament? Yep. Official government position on the issue delivered and published? Yep. Explicit praise and criticism of the national holiday proposal by renowned politicians and public figures? Yep. International media traction? Yep. Not allowed to exist though because well... nothing at all really. "I don't believe" it's notable? Ok then, belief is a powerful thing after all. "Wikipedia is not a newspaper", who said it was? "CFORK" they say (which is multiple separate articles treating the same subject) this subject is about the debate surrounding a proposed national holiday on 23 June in the UK annually. So, what's it a repeat of, exactly? So would Remembrance Sunday and World War I be the same article by those standards? Because they're the exact same thing right? From now on in the world, both the event itself and the annual observance and/or celebration of a historical event are literally the same thing on Wikipedia. Nothing resulting from Brexit will ever be it's own topic in the history of time, because someone said it's a "flash in the pan" - no reason or evidence necessary. "Mainly sourced from a couple of dubious newspapers" - not true, but who cares? Somebody said so, so there. Has anyone got any actual analysis or evidence to disprove that this is a factual concept, that has been and is being proposed with enough notability to find national coverage? None so far. Please someone state some analysis or evidence against this proposed national holiday finding hugely notable political and media traction without creating strawmans or just totally unresearched irrelevant charges against the article, like "we don't have an article about everything Nigel Farage says". Great, who's asking for that? Nobody. Just a way of belittling AlessandroTiandelli333's point perhaps. And no, because the national holiday has not become official or "happened" yet is not a reason to delete an article outlining the debate (both support and opposition) around the topic. That literally makes no sense. We will need to delete London independence and Proposed second Scottish independence referendum now then. They do not exist, because I say so. Really both those concepts are literally just Brexit now anyway, right? The proposal and campaigning for London to be an autonomous city state is explicitly and conceptually the exact same thing as the EU referendum saga, right? A referendum on Scottish independence happening in the future, a proposal gaining political and media traction is absolutely conceptually inseparable from the political timeline that Brexit represents. It's literally exactly the same thing and it's CFORK, because reasons and stuff. Mdmadden ( talk) 13:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete blatant editorializing in the title, online petitions aren't the subject of Wikipedia articles, I see no sign the House of Commons ever discussed the matter. Power~enwiki ( talk) 08:21, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Every petition that gains a number of votes is 'discussed' in the Commons. I believe that this occupied them for about two minutes. I've no idea why the article creator thinks that this is a current topic; as the references show, this ludicrous idea was the subject of media attention for a couple of days. TheLongTone ( talk) 13:39, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Laura Ikeji

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subject fails WP:GNG. I could only find gossip news about her marriage which isn't enough to establish notability. The article creator should also note that notability is not inherited. — Oluwa2Chainz »» ( talk to me) 13:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Noted: notability is not inherited i feel her been married to a famous football and been a sister of a famous blogger would grant her an article and also being part of a movie "Undercover Lover" which also has top star's like " Alexx Ekubo" & " Deyemi Okanlawon" would grant her WP:GNG but if the case remains the same, then i advice an admin help delete the article instantly or if you can @ Oluwa2Chainz:.-- MKJ6006 ( talk) 13:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:33, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

QuoVadis

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Non-notable company. Any coverage I can find is either pretty much incidental, a recycled press release, or applies to its recent acquistion. Shritwod ( talk) 13:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: QuoVadis is a notable company for the following reasons: i) it is one of the leading providers of managed PKI in the world, and one of the top dozen suppliers of TLS/SSL certificates providing website security that is visible in the browser UI for many prominent university systems, national governments, and multinational corporations (see 2015 market share from Netcraft https://www.netcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/assurance_breakdown.png), ii) it is a well-known Qualified trust service provider in Europe issuing eID credentials under eIDAS, including PKIoverheid in Holland and SuisseID in Switzerland, and iii) is a vocal participant in discussions affecting internet standards public key infrastructure including the CA/Browser Forum and the Mozilla discussion groups. The certificate authority sector has been turbulent and this company has maintained consistent presence, especially as the role of CAs becomes increasingly important in efforts to "encrypt everything" on the Internet. All of the above cause users to seek independent information about the company from sources such as Wikipedia. The page has existed for years without challenge. If this company is non-notable then certainly most of the pages in the "certificate authorities" category Category:Certificate authorities have similar standing. Cryptoki ( talk) 14:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable company. No reliable sources to be found. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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It is too soon to consider creating an article on this subject; I cannot find the required significant coverage of this subject in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, as required by Wikipedia's general notability guidelines. Biogeographist ( talk) 12:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Jennie Everton Clarke

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Most of the sources listed are unavailable online. A search for other sources to support notability was unsuccessful. Magnolia677 ( talk) 00:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Even with no sources, what is it about this person that makes them notable? Magnolia677 ( talk) 20:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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Article makes reference to coverage subject received by American Magazine for her orphanage, that she was a woman running an orphanage for boys, evidently it wasn't the norm back in the day. Cllgbksr ( talk) 00:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I looked through the sources included in the article, and Clarke seems to have gotten coverage in sources ranging several decades. Her time period and common name will make finding sources somewhat difficult, but I do think there are enough sources to meet notability requirements. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 06:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Further Comment The August 16th, 1900 edition of the "Christian Evangelist" contains a decent paragraph with details about the number of orphans Clarke cared for and some rather glowing praise. It can be found here on page 1044 (219 on the Internet Archive). There also seems to be a bit of coverage on newsapers.com, but I don’t have access to the website. Regardless, the books cited in the Wikipedia article contain several pages of coverage each, and there seems to be several media sources covering Clarke. There is enough information to write a substantial article even if we limit ourselves to the known sources, so I think notability requirements have been met. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 21:14, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: per Spirit of Eagle. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 15:12, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Sensory words

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Subject of article is not an accepted new research term. It appears the article creator conceived the term and wrote the article to match. No evidence of real world notability of this concept. KDS4444 ( talk) 12:13, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. Rather sad that this needs to go, because it's actually quite well written by a new editor - but it's a magazine article or a blog, not an encyclopaedia article. Seems to be WP:OR with a few references thrown in. None of the references contains the phrase "sensory words", the second one is a blog and the third is only tangentially related to the theme of the article. Searching gets a number of hits relating to marketing or creative writing, but I didn't find anything discussing the term sufficiently in-depth. Neiltonks ( talk) 12:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Oni Hasan

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The article is not significant in terms of WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. Didn't found any individual sources and remarkable achievement about the subject. ~ Moheen (keep talking) 05:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Mississippi (time)

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Unit of time that is unencyclopdeic. Meatsgains ( talk) 01:35, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Ben Bowns

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Fails WP:NHOCKEY. bojo | talk 21:37, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Editor blocked Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Contactpage Dloh cierekim 17:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Struck per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. North America 1000 00:54, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Xgeorg: That meets non of the criteria for WP:NHOCKEY. Articles like this may lead to meeting GNG though. 18abruce ( talk) 00:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 01:05, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Suspended congress (sex position)

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This is just doing it standing up. The sourcing is lousy--a website that claims to get it from the Kama Sutra, but that doesn't seem to use this term. Trigger warning for old people: contains picture of strong, young people doing it standing up. (Not very realistically--there is no way this couple is not falling.) Drmies ( talk) 15:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 20:31, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Patrick Herron

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Not Notable WikiFanD 15:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Weak Keep Found nothing in Google News, but As per Highbeam search, Weak keep. Found Indy Week's article 1, article 2. Someone check the notability. -- Elton-Rodrigues ( talk) 16:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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I think this page should be deleted. The subject is clearly not a notable poet, which is the first thing mentioned in the page. The website proximate.org does is clearly not very well maintained, and I can't find any information about the band mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.3.43.148 ( talk) 18:25, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. With no more delete-!votes after rewrites despite three relistings, there seems to be no consensus to delete this after Saqib's rewrite. So Why 13:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Waseem Badami

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Fails notability guidelines. Journalist with no reliable independent coverage. RoCo (talk) 13:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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I have somewhat improved the bio. What do you think of it @ Mar4d:? -- Saqib ( talk) 11:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Saqib: Thanks for your improvement, the sources are decent. I will see if I can add anything of value too. Mar4d ( talk) 12:26, 22 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete with no consensus to merge. If someone wants to use parts of this article to merge them somewhere else, feel free to request userfication. So Why 14:12, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

PCG (random number generator)

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NN fails GNG. (It is WP:INTERESTING so we do have userification / draft.) Widefox; talk 10:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge to Linear congruential generator leaving a redirect. The single reference is a (very interesting) paper that was submitted for publication but never published. I believe the paper could well have been published had it been cut down to a simple description of PCG. It's much too long for a journal article but it is a wonderful introduction to machine generation of random numbers. There are no other published sources that talk about it. However it has been picked up in the programming discussion groups. The author has done a video explaining it. It's been implemented in a number of languages and serves as the basis for a new hashing algorithm. StarryGrandma ( talk) 05:27, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
StarryGrandma, the self published article isn't a proper WP:RS so maybe an external link or further reading, but how can we merge with zero published RS, zero secondary sources? WP:INTERESTING covers it. Widefox; talk 02:24, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  07:12, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Stwo

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Continues to fail WP:MUSICBIO. DBrown SPS ( talk) 02:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep On a quick search I could immediatly find articles by Fader and Pitchfork and other reliable sources on the producer. He is capable of meeting #1 on WP:MUSICBIO but article needs improvment to meet standards. Wapunguissa ( talk) 18:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete To comment on the "Keep" argument above, Fader and Pitchfork are, in fact, first person sources (interview with subject talking about himself) so do not constitute third party coverage. Other searches turn up the usual SPAM type coverage of announcements and credits in various user submitted sites, small-time sites, and sources such as Fader and Pitchfork, which partially exist as platforms for artists and companies to solicit promotional editorial content. Is there any difference between this article and the one on the same subject that was deleted 10 months ago? ShelbyMarion ( talk) 14:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep. A fair amount of coverage found, e.g. [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], although he doesn't seem to have done very much so far. -- Michig ( talk) 08:15, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Hudson River Sloop Clearwater#Music and Festivals. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Walkabout Clearwater Chorus

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I couldn't find any notability for this choir. SL93 ( talk) 01:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Idaho State University#Programs of note. Leaving the history in place so someone (*cough* K.e.coffman *cough*) can perform the merge. So Why 13:31, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No indication of notability, and while my Google-fu may be lacking, I can't find any independent coverage of this award. Pinkbeast ( talk) 00:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Universities are not, but _this_ university is not independent of the award, and notability requires independent sources. Pinkbeast ( talk) 01:07, 25 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete and redirect to DeMolay International.

While the speedy request was - despite the nominator's statement - correctly contested since significance or importance, unlike notability, can be inherited, there is consensus that a) this page has no usable content and b) might be a plausible search term. Regards So Why 13:28, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Contested csd on grounds that the user believes notability is inherited, Its not and nor should we be hosting an entirley unsourced and overdetailed car crash of an article that is irredeemably original research. Its needs to be deleted if sources cannot be found or stubbed and started from scratch if they are. Spartaz Humbug! 21:20, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Comment Notability can be inherited in certain circumstances. Not saying it applies here, but I read the nom's post and automatic dis-inclusion of inherited notability made me want to comment. Bahb the Illuminated ( talk) 22:15, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 05:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Luis Díaz (baseball)

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Cuban league baseball player. Does not appear to have played in any major international tournaments and the Cuban league itself does not qualify for WP:BASE/N. Spanneraol ( talk) 12:25, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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16 years in the Cuban league but he didn't get enough media coverage to meet what has become a very low GNG standard here in the baseball section? Hard to believe. - Bbny-wiki-editor ( talk) 22:27, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete with reluctance. There is no qualifying redirect or merge target, and the article only references one blog obituary. Spanish-language searches turn up a number of Luis Felipe Diaz's, none of them apparently this one. No participation on the competition levels asked of by WP:NBASE and nothing but that one blog for WP:GNG. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC) struck own vote to update based on new information - please see below. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - It doesn't seem credible to me that someone with that long a career in the Cuban league would not have some coverage. His obituary from the Havana Times provides at least one instance of significant coverage and is substantial enough to suggest that he wasn't some nobody who didn't attract any attention until he died. He does have some brief mentions here and here that I could find. I have to believe that the difficulty finding more significant coverage is due to difficulty getting information from Cuba than because it just doesn't exist. Rlendog ( talk) 21:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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This is hardly just namedropping other Cuban ballplayers. Rlendog ( talk) 19:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
This is another article, short but more than mere namedropping. Rlendog ( talk) 19:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I don't have time to look for sources from ten or twenty years ago, which may or may not be online anyway, but as is common in Latin America, this guy was known as Luis Felipe Diaz during his career and not simply Luis Diaz, as his page suggests. If people are searching for the latter, they might be missing sources, although, again, Cuba was way behind when it comes to the internet and most of his coverage was probably in printed form. - Bbny-wiki-editor ( talk) 04:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
The offline nature of Cuban sources does indeed have effects here but Cuban players are not relieved of the need for WP:V just because of the former U.S. embargo. In the meantime, I did search for Luis Felipe Diaz in both English and Spanish-language sources, as mentioned above. If there is a user with access to hard-copy archives in Cuba, they can recreate what is currently a quite short article and probably make it better. AfD is not virtual exile from the project, after all. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Indeed the information in the article needs to conform with WP:V. But there are adequate reliable sources, which include stat sites which would not be relevant for WP:N to support a brief, verifiable article on Diaz. Rlendog ( talk) 19:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Some of these sources are English. But what is wrong with Spanish sources for an article about a Cuban subject? Rlendog ( talk) 21:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Uta Abe

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Procedural nomination. This was PRODed by PRehse but there is some evidence of notability in the article, and therefore I am not comfortable deleting via PROD. Vanamonde ( talk) 09:35, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Fair enough on the proceedure. Abe has yet to compete at the highest level although has some success as a junior. Perhaps worth something in the future but right now is not notable as a judo player. Peter Rehse ( talk) 09:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete I think this article was created WP:TOOSOON. She has yet to appear at a world championship event as either a junior or senior and has no Olympic appearances. As far as I can tell, she hasn't even competed at the Japanese national championships as an adult. It may well be that she will become a notable judoka but that requires WP:CRYSTALBALL. Papaursa ( talk) 15:20, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
She did compete at the recently concluded Japanese national championships where she won her first match and lost her second. That's not enough to show WP notability. Papaursa ( talk) 02:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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These sources appear to be routine sports reporting. Yes, she won an event--one of about 40 annually and Grand Prix events are relatively low level. They rank below Grand Slam events, which rank below Masters events, which rank below the world championships. She's yet to compete at the highest level of her sport. Papaursa ( talk) 02:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
That is an interesting interpretation of routine coverage. See essay WP:NOTROUTINE#Sports. Box scores and statistics - not articles with headlines like "Abe makes history with Grand Prix win". Hmlarson ( talk) 18:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
All sourcing refers to her success in one relatively minor event where, according to the IJF media (not at independent source) article cited, the 46th ranked fighter beat the 73rd ranked fighter. That article has 1 sentence on the headline topic (and one about who her brother is) and everything else is quite routine sports reporting. Your headline quote is a bit more breathless than it deserves, given that Grand Prix events are less than 10 years old and are relatively low level one day events. Again, subject also does not meet WP:NSPORT since she has never competed at the highest level. Papaursa ( talk) 23:19, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. So Why 13:37, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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This article on a footballer was originally PROD'ed with the rationale "Fails WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN. Only ever an unused sub for Reading and all other clubs do not play in a fully pro league (or did not at the point when he was with them)". This was disputed by the article's creator, Galesbury, mainly on the grounds that making it as far as the substitutes' bench for a Premier League team is still a big deal. So in the interests of fairness I have brought it here for wider discussion...... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 11:42, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - meets WP:GNG and is encyclopedic given a broad base of reliable sources showing professional WP:NFOOTBALL as the main income, playing full-time football [1], and having been named in the starting squad-line-up for a team competiting in the highest profile league in the world. These examples show how the subject closely parallels (a criteria of NFOOTY). The subject has been cited by Reading FC [2]as an alumni whom has achieved first-team status. The subject has a full remit of sources (BBC, Sky etc) that are examples of " multiple published[2] non-trivial[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject." Taken on-balance the subject has a comparable football career, or WP:GNG to [Joe Sheerin], who played one minute for Chelsea, (who has a less significant career thereafter, and has far less verified sources), or Jamie Slabber who played 11 minutes for Tottenham FC, and has since played the same level as the subject (and same teams), or Aaron Tumwa of Margate FC who has played no English Pro-clubs, (though did play for the the 151st ranked (from 199) team in the world) [3] Again, just comparing first team status in the Premier League and a long merited career in Football as comparable to playing for Antigua and Barbuda. Lastly, I list Christian Nanetti who has played 10 minutes in the League of Ireland but who has exited on Wikipedia for longer than that, on account of the wider career and WP:GNG within football, similar to the subject. I give these examples of why it is perhaps not just the NFOOTY) which should be considered because there is a broader balance, evidence over time and body of encyclopedic material available to support the page inclusion. To delete this page would minimize being in the team for a first team match at Anfield, between two Premier League Teams. Thanks to ChrisTheDude for shepherding this discussion to this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galesbury ( talkcontribs) 23:10, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  2. ^ Reading FC Official Website list of Graduates from Youth to First Team
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  • Delete - had a bit of a search around and could find anything significant to merit WP:GNG inclusion. Also fails WP:NSPORT due to never playing at a fully-pro or full international level. On a side note, this page has twice been deleted before once in 2007 and once in 2013. -- Jimbo [online] 10:57, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Jimbo Spiderone 18:42, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per CAPTAIN RAJU relisting: why is this necessary when you have listed it, the discussion has proceeded to a consensus which is unreached. What you have done is to railroad a decision, bullying in part. I must say, the content and discussion aside that there is not a single bit of commentary on the content, more than repeated (which i thought was not allowed) reports of fails WP:GNG fails WP:NSPORT - but none of you have made any attempt to qualify against my validation above. And as a side note: I have never written about this subject (person) before, so any prior submissions simply act to back up some of my reasons in regards WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.29.53.133 ( talk) 02:21, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Clearly fails WP:NFOOTY, which the article's creator does not seem to understand. Hopefully the closing admin will discount the duplicate !vote above, which appears to be Galesbury restating their case. Number 5 7 08:36, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Number 57 - please refrain from posting cheeky comments or making aspersions in my username. The W:NFOOTY is fully understood, but not the end of all arguments or justifications, and your motivation for deletion offers no new insight, no substantiated information, and is not particularly constructive. 15:22, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Loz Contreras

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Virtually no coverage (that I can find) in independent reliable sources other than a few brief mentions in reference to other people. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:06, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. This qualifies for speedy deletion, as the creator of the article has requested deletion, but it is clear that it was heading for deletion anyway. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 21:10, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Up-and-coming model with no real in depth coverage in independent sources. A classic case of WP:TOOSOON. Stuartyeates ( talk) 09:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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2016 Minneapolis shooting

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:36, 16 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTROUTINE. The shooting received standard coverage in July 2016 but has not mustered any significant sources after this time period. Any news coverage was almost exclusively focused in Minnesota itself, meaning it did not receive significant international coverage. It was a tragic event, indeed, but that does not make it an encyclopedic event. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 16:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply

E.M.Gregory please forgive my of lack courtesy. Right after I posted this to AfD I had a sudden off-wiki issue. In the excitement, I simply forgot to inform you when I resumed editing. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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And in response to this request: I will be happy to withdraw this (or an admin can if I'm not active) after another editor or two express their opinions. That way, at least, there is time for a general discussion and perhaps other ideas can be thrown in. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • @ TheGracefulSlick:, perhaps because the situation is worse that I thought. Turns out that I wrote article and have been searching under incorrect spelling. Far more coverage comes up is you search Sawani in addition to Sawina. Or perhaps because with verdict + expanded searches it now appears that coverage of both case verdict has been national and international. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 00:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • E.M.Gregory Hmm all my prior searches did not include that spelling. I am convinced. Since I have seen more sources that were not available from the original searches and editors are willing to help expand this article, I say keep the page. If there is a legitimate reason to incorporate information into the encyclopedia, I cannot reject it. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 00:36, 16 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. WP:NPASR applies. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 05:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Prod was removed by author so I am bringing it here. Initially, it had exactly one "reference" - the article simply said "Josef BOGIN, JR." at the bottom. A search found one website where the author even uses all caps just like the "reference" so it appeared to be the article author himself. After the prod was removed, the author added two more "references". One doesn't appear to have anything about the RBGT-62a that I could find, the other is an online store. The whole article is one persons original research and nothing about it illustrates notability. Justeditingtoday ( talk) 14:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Seems to have fairly large following in the Geiger counter crew, as a well known cold war Geiger counter. It won't have a huge number of references since it comes from a country from behind the iron curtain. As something that's not run of the mill, and as an artifact of the cold war. Keep. scope_creep ( talk) 10:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 17:14, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The only source I can find is one article on dailystar.co.uk KarlPoppery ( talk) 07:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete I declined the speedy because there were some claims of significance but when cleaning the article up, all sources I could find were about how she wants to show her nipples on Instagram (there are more than the Daily Star one but in all languages the content seems to be the same). I cannot find any sources for the other claims, so she fails WP:BIO, WP:GNG and WP:MUSICIAN. Regards So Why 07:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:ANYBIO. Claims to notability rest on being CEO of a non-notable business, unelected candidate to state assembly, and WP:INHERITed notability from 2 local work for presidential campaigns. Cabayi ( talk) 07:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete ( CSD G3) ( non-admin closure) Linguist talk| contribs 14:25, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Unsourced speculation per WP:CRYSTAL. Nothing about it online. Prod contested without comment by article creator, and attempts at redirect to parent article also reverted by article creator. Uncle Roy ( talk) 06:44, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect, with no prejudice against deletion. The article creator also created an article on a cycle 53 of this series, which was speedied as G3. I think an argument could be made for deletion per WP:CRYSTAL, but since this series is currently on cycle 5, it's not unreasonable to retain this title as a redirect, and turn it into an article if a cycle 6 does end up meeting the notability threshold. — KuyaBriBri Talk 14:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. @ OlgaWills2017: If you wish to have a copy of the article to work on it as a draft, feel free to request it on my talk page. Regards So Why 13:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. No in-depth articles, most references are single line mentions. Vanity/advert page. reddogsix ( talk) 04:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. This is a vanity project, not an encyclopedia article. None of the references confirm his notability. A Google search for "Roberto Penedo" did find someone who was the subject of a news article, and coincidentally has the middle name "Estuardo"; but he's clearly a different man. Maproom ( talk) 07:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - as per the above comments. Vanity project. - Sitush ( talk) 08:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) Struck for now - see below. - Sitush ( talk) 14:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment I cannot confirm it is the case, but Penedo was elected to the Guatemalan Congress for the post of (...) sounds like he was a Guatemalan MP, in which case he is notable. Tigraan Click here to contact me 11:51, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    • If I have read the sources correctly (and I am relying on Google translate for some of them) the "Guatemalan Congress" of which he was an official was not the actual legislature of Guatemala, but a liaison and advocacy organization for Guatemala and Guatemalans, working in the United States. That is a different thing. He was also apparently an advisor to John McCain's campaign for President of the US, presumably on Latin American issues. It seems to me that with the various positions that he has apparently held, he OUGHT to be notable, but I have not as yet found the kind of coverage needed to establish this. DES (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
      • As OlgaWills2017 makes clear below, he wasn't elected to the Congress but appointed by it. I'm still trying to ascertain what CONAMIGUA actually is - it doesn't seem to be a government department but may perhaps be a government-sponsored pressure group or a subdivision of some civil service department. His position within it was Deputy Secretary, ie: he was not the head. A part of the problem here is that OlgaWills2017 doesn't always understand the nuances of the English language (this is not a criticism, just a statement of fact that is affecting the article and also this discussion). - Sitush ( talk) 11:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • comment a fair amount of the article seems to hav been closely paraphrased from http://www.biography.international/2017/04/roberto-estuardo-penedo-rob-penedo-info.html#more or more probably both rely on some sort of "official bio" distributed by or on behalf of Penedo. DES (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Notable Maproom Roberto Estuardo Penedo, his full name is Roberto Estuardo Penedo Rivera, also uses his name as Roberto "Rob" Penedo. However, the Congress of Guatemala for official documents use his full mane. Olga Wills ( talk) 13:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: DESiegel, That was an original article that I wrote for Wiki back in March, but it was very complicated for the first time user to understand all the rules, regulation and remarks of Wiki in order to keep the article, and it was removed. So I created Mr. Penedo's bio on http://www.biography.international/2017/04/roberto-estuardo-penedo-rob-penedo-info.html#more meantime we are working on creating an article here on Wiki. I'm the writer of that article, and edited lot's of staff in order to meet Wiki standards (which aren't that friendly to apply with); however, I can put that page down at any time, that's not an issue here. My main concern is actually to save Penedo article on Wiki. Any help or advice will be much appreciated. Olga Wills ( talk) 13:59, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Sitush, Penedo served in one of the Guatemala's High rank governmental position representing the Guatemalan Congress who elected him for that position, as you know immigration is very important issue all over the world. Penedo also received an award from the Mayor of the city of Los Angeles in California, for his tremendous support and contributions for the Latino Community there. I found the copy of that award from the LA city archives. Olga Wills ( talk) 14:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • It would help if the article had actually said all this and explained it properly, including re: his name, what the Congress is (a wikilink?) etc. I'm in two minds now. I'm also very concerned when you say "we are working on creating an article here on Wiki". If you are connected to the guy then you should not be doing that and it is no wonder it reads like a puff piece. - Sitush ( talk) 14:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Sitush, when I said we I mean everybody here part on this discussion including you now, and no, I am not connected to anyone, but trying to save the article and learn as much as possible to create more articles in the future. But that may be possible only with the coordination with the other users and editors on Wiki in order to have it done correctly, that's is WE.
    Also, I had all the information you are asking linked to other Wiki pages (such as Congress of Guatemala), but it was removed by someone of the editors on Wiki. Olga Wills ( talk) 14:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
For someone who is not connected to him, you sure seem to have followed him around a lot. All of the photographs are uploaded by you and they all claim to be your own work. Did you take them or not? If not, where did you get them from and who did in fact take them? - Sitush ( talk) 15:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Sitush I have my sources, the information was provided to me and confirmed and I was there to take the pictures, this is just my first article on this subject, my main goal is CONAMIGUA and them I will expand with another article about the Mexican Immigration Institute as well, I also will start to investigate David Slorzano and other members related to this institution, and I will get the pictures too, with no doubt you'll surprise the pictures I will get according my resources. Stay tuned. I am sure all this articles I'm planning to write will contribute a lot on the understanding of immigration issues. Olga Wills ( talk) 15:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I really don't see your concern, you are wrong, the pictures weren't taken the same day. I don't have any conflict of interest here. So pictures here are not an issue, and now I don't even understand why you don't want me to write about CONAMIGUA, an article that I event haven't started yet, you are really confusing me, do you want to write on CONAMIGUA by your own? is that why? Olga Wills ( talk) 16:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • In my point of view and please correct me if I'm wrong, Wiki is an encyclopedia where anyone is free to wright an article if everything that you are saying is true and correct and contributes to enrich the knowledge of everyone. So, in that case I don't understand why Wiki is not allowing the regular people to publish an article? The other time I was trying to get familiar with Wiki rules, regulation, recommendation and remarks the article was removed and after that I received an email about a PAID writer charging over $150/hour to help me on my WiKi article, what a coincidence, right? Is that what it is? Wiki is not for regular people like me but for paid articles only? Olga Wills ( talk) 16:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • @ OlgaWills2017: if you have been contacted by someone offering to write a Wikipedia article for pay, it might be a scam, and it definitely is in breach of our terms of use (unless properly disclosed, which is unlikely). Please forward the email to info-en@wikimedia.org.
You are wrong on multiple counts when you say Wiki is an encyclopedia where anyone is free to [write] an article if everything that you are saying is true and correct. First of all, it's Wikipedia, not wiki. Second, anyone who will obey the policies is free to write, others get blocked. Third, our policies say that "true and correct" is not the standard; "verifiable" is (this is why I said I have my sources doesn't fly here: you must say what the sources are, and if you cannot, you should not say you have them). Fourth, even verifiable is not enough, because we only write about what is "notable" - which is the whole point here, because none is really doubting that there is a man named Roberto Estuardo Penedo out there who did most of the stuff written on the page, but many are doubting whether he is well-known enough to be the subject of an article. TL;DR:Wikipedia is for regular people who follow the guidelines (or have good reasons to break them).
About the pictures: people here have short nerves when it comes to copyright violations. If you post a picture that you found on the web, or that the photograph shared with you, or that an agency provided on request, it is most likely not allowed (by the guidelines, and by the law) to post it on Wikipedia. If the metadata of the picture shows that it was obviously not the standard "tourist takes a photograph" story, it will raise suspicions. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • As for the 3 photos not being taken on the same day, well, he seems to be wearing the same clothes and, frankly, if you don't know him but happened to see him on several days in and around the same place and he posed for a picture on each occasion then that seems even more strange to me. - Sitush ( talk) 16:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • And then you just happened to see him when he met the Pope at the Vatican? Wow, the world is a small place. - Sitush ( talk) 17:02, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • OlgaWills2017, the article claims that Penedo/Rivera was "founder and CEO" of "Together for America", citing this source. The source names a lot of people but not him. It isn't good enough. I can see primary sources that say he registered the name - eg: this - but I don't know enough about US corporate law etc to know if that is significant and/or supports your claim. He could just have been acting as an agent. - Sitush ( talk) 16:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Tigraan, I understand your point and can tell you that I'm doing this article with the purpose to contribute only, following this article I will write on CONAMIGUA and then about each relevant person related to that institution, I think my contribution will help to enrich people's knowledge about immigration. Also I will expand such information by writing and article on Mexico Immigration Institute. There is nothing on WiKi related to this subjects yet and on my point of view are a very important subjects. That is the only and true reason I am starting writing this first article to later on continue with the others of the same subject. Olga Wills ( talk) 16:42, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Sitush, I found this link that clearly state he is the CEO and founder of Together for America and putted the link but someone in the WiKi editors removed as happened to too many other links I already submitted. http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=368877&corp_type_id&corp_name=Together+for+America&agent_search&agent_city&agent_state&filing_number&cmd which is signed by Arkansas Secretary of State, which is a reliable source. Olga Wills ( talk) 16:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

That is the link I gave above. It is a primary source and it isn't particularly helpful. Or, at least, it wouldn't be if it was in the UK because it is common for people to set up corporate bodies etc as shells and then pass them on. - Sitush ( talk) 16:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Tigraan, When i say "on my point of view" I am not referring to the article itself, I am referring to the importance to have articles concerning immigration. I am very clear that the article has to be about NOTABILITY with reliable sources but probably your lack of understanding on the Spanish language and its different terminologies according each Spanish speaking country is making this difficult for you guys to understand, google translation or any other computer translation service is no reliable and accurate. Olga Wills ( talk) 17:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Sitush Well, Together for America is in good standing up today and according that official record is active showing Penedo as CEO and Founder since 2011 to present, if we don’t believe in official record, what to believe in? Olga Wills ( talk) 17:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

That source does not say anything about the present. It is a record from 2011. And now I've found even more problems in the article, with the source about him being on the Latin American board supporting McCain's presidential campaign actually seeming to say no more than he was an adviser to McCain. Along with a few thousand others who could make that claim, I guess. - Sitush ( talk) 17:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Sitush FYI, when an entity is not active or is not in compliance with the law or is not current will show "REVOKED" or "NOT CURRENT" on its status, you can see clearly according the official e-document from the Secretary of State of Arkansas (a reliable source) in this case for Together for America the "STATUS" is "GOOD STANDING" that means the organization is current and everything its says on the document about the organization is accurate up to date. About John McCain, I have never see before a person interviewed by a reliable news paper of other country to be fake, so thousand that make that claim is very narrow to impossible, I guess? Again I think probably your lack of understanding on the Spanish language and its different terminologies according each Spanish speaking country is making this difficult for you to understand, google translation or any other computer translation service is no reliable and accurate. You cannot discredit reliable news papers interviews even if you are not sure what its saids or don't understand 100/100. Olga Wills ( talk) 17:42, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
No, it is you who is not understanding. You've been adding sources that quite simply do not support the statements and/or are unreliable. It seems to me that you're applying your personal knowledge to the article first and then trying to support it with some sort of citation. That's not a great way to build an article. And, by the way, I'm not fluent in Spanish of any variety, sure, but I can get around - that interview piece about the McCain campaign only mentions McCain's name twice and is quite clear in saying Penedo was at that time an adviser. I'm not saying Penedo was faking it, I'm saying you were, intentionally or (more likely) due to the reason I've just stated. - Sitush ( talk) 17:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Dear Sitush, Don't get mad, there is no reason to loose control, I think we are all here to learn from each other in one way or other. I'm trying to illustrate reliability, the Secretary of State of any state is reliable, if you don't agree, you'll be the first person I have been chatting that says otherwise, about the article, you don't need to mention 1000 times a name or something to make a point that is why probably with no offense is hard for you to understand how reliable the source is. I am not here to play judge and trial, I'm here to write an article that will be the beginning of more to come. You are saying I am faking intentionally or for the reasons you stated, I think you are not qualify to review this article or any other article at all if you are judging people for what you think and not for the article itself due to your lack of knowledge or understanding of the subject, that is unprofessional and unethical. I have been submitted reliable sources but in your point of view are not reliable to disqualify my article and then you can write about CONAMIGUA and Penedo by using third parties of curse. I discovered Penedo, I discovered CONAMIGUA and all other subjects about immigration derivate from, NOT YOU! Olga Wills ( talk) 18:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Sitush may not be as familiar with Penedo as you are, but they are certainly more familiar with Wikipedia editing, and therefore better qualified to say what kind of sources we need for what kind of claim. Honestly at that point you should drop the stick, but if you want to keep arguing, you will have better luck if you focus on Wikipedia's policies (please read them). Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
OlgaWills2017, I am not getting mad about the article or, indeed, you. I think there is a bit of an issue regarding English language comprehension and a major issue regarding Wikipedia's policies etc relating to verifiability, reliable sources and notability, with probably some sort of conflict of interest thrown into the mix.

There are a lot of "citation needed" tags in the article for which I am unable to find sources, and a lot of them seem to relate to his personal life and things he has done outside CONAMIGUA. Can you provide reliable sources for that stuff? Right now, it looks like it is your personal knowledge about the guy. I'm afraid that it isn't adding up and unless I find something fairly soon it is likely I will reinstate my delete !vote, sorry. - Sitush ( talk) 11:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

As another example of a problem, even assuming Penedo was a significant player in the Together with America organisation, I can't find a single reliable source that mentions him and Clinton. Just being head of an organisation, even a notable organisation, doesn't make the individual notable - see WP:NOTINHERITED. The same argument applies to his role in CONAMIGUA. And the honorary degrees that he has allegedly been awarded seem to have come from insignificant institutions, including the one that I have removed that originated from the rather notorious degree mill called Bircham International University. - Sitush ( talk) 11:32, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
The National Business School referred to in the article would likely be this place. Unfortunately, I can't see a mention of Penedo anywhere on the website and it has some severe design problems for a school that purports to be high-class etc. I can't find any other source that mentions him receiving an honorary degree from the place, although I suppose that might be a WP:SYSTEMIC issue regarding news sources in Guatemala. - Sitush ( talk) 11:54, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you for your advice. I will try to rewrite the article one more time following the steps you mentioned, let's see how it goes this time. But I will need few days to complete it. Best Olga Wills ( talk) 13:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    @ OlgaWills2017: While you have no deadline to rewrite the article, you need to provide correct sources right now before it gets deleted. See this section of "arguments to avoid in deletion discussions". Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:25, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    @ Tigraan: Thanks for a helpful advice. The article has been placed Under construction. Everyone is welcome to help build the article to have it ready according wiki standards. Looking forward to it. Olga Wills ( talk) 19:43, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: the article is switched under construction status now, so how to remove it from deletion list? Can it be done on the article page or how it can be removed from the list for deletion? Thanks. Olga Wills ( talk) 00:13, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    • OlgaWills2017 the "Under Construction" tag has no bearing on this discussion. 7 days after the discussion was started, or any time thereafter, an admin or an experienced editor may close the discussion. Common outcomes are "Delete", "Keep", and "No Consensus". Other possible outcomes include 'Redirect" and "Merge" but those don't seem to apply here. You need to find sources and either add them to the article, or simply list them here, in time for editors to read them, and be persuaded that they establish notability for Penedo, and express that view, before those 7 days are up. It may be quicker to list sources her as you find them, and only after that add them to the article. DES (talk) 01:34, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Arbitrary break

  • I'm looking at other wiki articles of Guatemalan politicians to understand better the requirements about type of sources needed for the article, so Edmond Mulet is a Guatemalan politician, there is an article about him exist on wiki and everything, but in the article only 3 sources of references are provided! I don't see any references for the majority of his article, there is no sources provided to cover the article a way it is presented, and in Penedo article there are requests about citations almost in each line despite the link provided for it (the majority of which just mysteriously disappeared...) What is wrong with that picture? Olga Wills ( talk) 04:01, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Question: it says on the top of the article "This article is an orphan", how to link it to the other articles the right way? Olga Wills ( talk) 17:03, 13 May 2017 (UTC) reply

@ Reddogsix: @ Tigraan: @ Maproom: @ Sitush: @ DESiegel: @ Cordless Larry: @ Cullen: I would like to thanks Everyone for this discussion even I don't share your opinions completely it was very good learning process for me. I will write another article in the future about another person, let's see how will go. Olga Wills ( talk) 14:01, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. While the conflict of interest is not a valid reason to delete, the quick nomination is - while certainly BITEy - not a reason to keep. In the end, consensus is that the subject is not notable (at this time). So Why 13:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Can't find many references to assert notability from google search. Created by possible COI user. bojo | talk 13:36, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • I just created this page in Hungarian as well, although I've found a couple of references to our sites, but I can tell you more if you would please specifiy what kind of references would you require. Wigner fusion ( talk) 13:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    I would suggest looking for articles that focus on the facility or organization, not necessarily on something that they are doing or planning. Something that is independent of the subject, but that tells someone why the subject is important or unique or otherwise notable. Also, note that an article with "We are..." as opposed to "Wigner Fusion is..." makes me think that someone from Wigner Fusion wrote the article - and that would violate several policies. Have a look at our policy on writing from a neutral point of view for guidance. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 14:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Boomer Vial Holla! We gonna ball! 03:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The nomination comes 4 minutes after the creation of the article, and is against WP:BITE. The user might be having a COI issue, and it is being/will be discussed on their talk page. Meanwhile, I will try changing the tone of the article to be more neutral. I would suggest withdrawing the quick nomination, and nominating again in a week or so if the current problems seem unaddressed. RoCo (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep for time being. Xxanthippe ( talk) 01:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC). reply
  • Comment. Hi, would you consider not to delete this page and remove the article-for-deletion notice please? The user name conflict has been solved and as I can see the text have been fixed. Many thanks. Tamas.Szabolics ( talk) 08:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    Debates of this type usually last 7 days. This gives editors who might not visit the article regularly a chance to see and comment on whether the article should be deleted. That said, if the concerns above have been addressed, then the article will likely be kept and the notices removed. If you want to edit the article to address some of those concerns (say, by making it more neutral or adding additional sources or whatever), that would go a long way to helping make sure the article is Kept. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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Comment Sorry but you are wrong I could find reliable sources mentioning Wigner fusion, also dozens of images can be found in Google photos search, try regular search not news Tamas.Szabolics ( talk) 07:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Consensus is that he meets the notability guideline for tennis players. Whether that guideline is too lenient, is not a question for AfD. So Why 13:15, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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As far as I can see this is a non-notable tennis player. He doesn't appear to pass the notability guidelines for tennis player. He doesn't regularly compete on the ATP World Tour. His only three appearances in a World Tour event were Wild Cards (so not achieved on merit) for an event in his home country in doubles (which is less notable than singles anyway). Moreover all three of those matches and did not even win a set. T v x1 12:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - meets WP:NTENNIS as he appeared in 3 ATP World Tour level matches. Unsourced but sources can easily be found. Just because he hasn't won, doesn't mean he doesn't fit the notability guideline. If you feel it is too weak, you can start a discussion for stricter guidelines. But as of now, he meets the criteria. Adamtt9 ( talk) 12:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)Note to closing admin: Adamtt9 ( talkcontribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply
  • Literally speaking, you might be correct. However, I think some discretion should be used. Three ATP World Tour matches through wildcards for events in his home country resulting in three straight sets losses for the win of just 11 games can hardly be claimed to constitute "competing on the ATP World Tour". Experience has taught me that generally making the main draw of a World Tour event through merit (=successfully passing through qualifying or gathering enough ranking points to gain direct entry) is what is used as the bar to assert notability. Add to that that doubles is inherently less notable than singles (that's how it this, unfortunately. I can enjoy watching a good doubles match myself but I have to accept that it attracts less interest) and I don't think you can genuinely claim that this person is a notable tennis player. And yes, achievement does matter. What they achieve is inherently what makes sportspeople notable. T v x1 16:57, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • FWIW, all three tournaments weren't home tournaments. One was in Spain, and you can't just twist around the notability guidelines to make them what you want. They say that a player must participate in an ATP level match, regardless of whether he received a wildcard or not. And he seems to be generally notable, as there are many hits if you search his name. Adamtt9 ( talk) 17:03, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I don't know if I would devalue wildcards the way that you do. Many wildcards have some requirement (e.g., the US Open usually gives wildcards to the NCAA champions, USTA champions, and top finisher from a series of Challenger tournaments). No idea how this player earned his, but considering its distinct tournaments in different countries, he must have accomplished something to earn those wildcards. I don't mean that to say I know he met a requirement, but if he achieved that little he would have maybe gotten one, but not three and not three in three separate tournaments in two different countries. I could see disputing the quality of a player with just one wildcard in their home country, but three is too many to just dismiss. RonSigPi ( talk) 02:29, 21 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - Agree with the nomination, and WP:NTENNIS needs revising. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 15:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep - This is one of those players that makes it by the guidelines, but sucks. There's always a few, just like we have players who make it by GNG, but have never played a pro tournament in their life. Are the guidelines too lenient, possibly, but they are easy to follow. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep - So he meets the guideline, but that only gives a presumption. Here, two things make me say we stick with the presumption. First, this is a player from a non-English speaking country. How many editors evaluating speak Portuguese? I don't, so I don't think I can fairly evaluate sources or my lack of finding sources would be reasonable to indicate they are not out there. Second, he played in three different tournaments in three different years. Yes its doubles and yes he lost all three times, but his top-level career has spanned three years over multiple countries. Considering those factors, I say keep. RonSigPi ( talk) 02:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep He meets WP:NTENNIS as written. As a person who appears to still be active in a tennis career, we should keep the page based on that presumption. That said, I would support revising WP:NTENNIS to require an appearance at the ATP World Tour Masters 1000 level to be considered notable. Power~enwiki ( talk) 18:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    That's not likely to happen. Like baseball players we also have Olympic players, Davis Cup players, Fed Cup players, etc... Baseball does not automatically recognize minor league players, but tennis does IF they win a minor league title. Bseball automatically recognizes every major league player in the US, Japan and Korea. Baseball automatically recognizes any player who has played in an international competition. It could be argued that each ATP 500 and ATP 250 level tournament is an International competition. The ATP tour and WTA tour "are" the tennis major leagues. The ATP and WTA Challenger tours are still professional but are considered the minor leagues. The ITF is professional but is considered the minor-minor league of tennis. The way it is set up today is no minor-minor league player is notable. Minor league players are notable only if they win a championship. Major league players are always notable. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    And that's the point of this AFD. This player is not a "major league player". He received three solitary invitations (two of which were in his home country) to compete in the lowest class of tournaments (ATP 250) in the "major league" in doubles (which is the lesser notable of the two types of events) and didn't even win a set in any attempt. He has never come close to actually earning the right to compete in any of the "major league" tournaments on actual merit, let alone to compete in the "major league" full time. He has never been ranked above 1500. He has never achieved anything which we consider to be notable by our guidelines. T v x1 21:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    He was ranked 352 in doubles though. Not above 1500 in singles because I don't believe he plays singles anymore. Adamtt9 ( talk) 22:11, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    There's clearly consensus a strong sense that WP:NTENNIS is unreasonable here. I've stricken my keep vote and am starting a discussion of its revision. Power~enwiki ( talk) 22:00, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Where is there consensus that WP:NTENNIS is unreasonable??? Adamtt9 ( talk) 22:30, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    There isn't. No guidelines fit everything perfectly, which is why they are guidelines. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 23:50, 17 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Even in terms of just this discussion, two out of five is nowhere near consensus. Adamtt9 ( talk) 00:38, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Ignoring WP:NTENNIS for a minute, do you feel this player is notable? Power~enwiki ( talk) 02:02, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Yes. A quick Google search does give a good amount of results, and who knows how many more Portuguese results there are. Adamtt9 ( talk) 02:06, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    And those google results are nothing but his match results and stats. These fall under WP:Routine. It's not only the amount of mentions that is important. T v x1 02:59, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    That is a good point. Usually to pass GNG a player needs a little more oomph to the resume, like an interview. This particular player has been in three Major league ATP tennis draws but they were wild cards. From that we can take away a couple of things. Perhaps there could be a tweak to the tennis guidelines that "wild cards" will need to source additional GNG to make the cut. But on the flipside, wild cards to home country ATP events are usually given to bring in revenue. Those players are popular enough or good enough in their own country that a tournament wants to include them. So they could likely pass GNG in Brazil. Articles other than just scores can be found, such as here and here or perhaps here. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    Which is why we have guidelines. An English search for a Portuguese-language player competing in Spanish-speaking Spain won't yield anything. We have to make judgment calls. We have a guideline that the community has established. One editor's opinion should not simply sway the collective decision of the entire community, especially when the subject does not just technically meet the guideline, but exceeds it by appearing in different events in different years (so no WP:1E). RonSigPi ( talk) 21:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I'm still confused. I don't see a case based on his singles career, but there may be one based on doubles. Appearing in the championship match of an ATP250 tournament is different from simply entering one. But his Wikipedia page doesn't currently link or refer to any ATP250 or above tournaments he competed in. Power~enwiki ( talk) 23:00, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Passes WP:NTENNIS. He is also very much active and reached his career high doubles ranking just last month, after the three ATP Tour appearances. I think it's premature to make a judgement yet, a retired player would make a better test case if these guidelines are to be challenged. Jevansen ( talk) 00:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 15:48, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Not sure if this matches the notability criteria. Uncletomwood ( talk) 04:49, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable film spamed by creator. Magog the Ogre ( t c) 04:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Advertorially tinted WP:BLP of radio DJ and writer, which makes notability claims ("two of the best selling books on the subject") but fails to properly source them as true; the only sources here are the primary source program schedule of the station where he works, and a contextless unfootnoted list of incomplete citations in the format "Insight Magazine 1984" (which, great, but WHAT article in Insight Magazine WHEN in 1984?) This simply is not the kind of sourcing it takes to get a person into Wikipedia, and nothing here entitles him to an exemption from having to be referenced properly. Bearcat ( talk) 03:33, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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To be fair, I'm pretty sure that "Cat Andrew" is a stage name rather than his real name — so it's possible that he did work for the stations in question under a different name which the creator just failed to specify. But, of course, we would require reliable sourcing to properly verify that, so removing the claims wasn't wrong. Bearcat ( talk) 14:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete and redirect to Dillon Francis discography. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Less Nights, More Days

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No track listing nor references, release date is more than six months away, the {{ PROD}}, {{ nn}} and {{ nr}} tags were all removed from the article. Jax 0677 ( talk) 03:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was withdrawn by nom per below. ( non-admin closure) -- George Ho ( talk) 02:04, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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There are some sources discussed on the talk page, but nothing that would allow to make an article without synthesis. Seems like a subject more suited for the Urban Dictionary. KarlPoppery ( talk) 02:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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What I don't find is any article about, let's say, the history of skip day, or the phenomenon of skip day as a whole across all schools. All the sources describe skip day differently. Is it an American thing, or a Canadian and American thing? Did it really start with a movie? Is it associated with a particular date? How common is this tradition? You can basically make up what you want, because the sources show you different examples but there's no prior wp:synthesis. For that reason, all version of this article in it's twelve years of existence have been terrible (even if arguably kind of funny). If it survives the AfD and you turn it into a decent article, I'll be impressed. KarlPoppery ( talk) 15:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep here's one source from Caltech [43]. It's conceptual/folkloric in nature, beyond "near the end of the school year" I don't think there is a well-defined day of the year when it happens. Power~enwiki ( talk) 18:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Power~enwiki: Well... This is again a source about "skid day at one particular school". It's not about skip day in general. We can collect all these examples and infer general principles, but that's agains't the policies of Wikipedia. KarlPoppery ( talk) 18:59, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment: Here is an actual article about it from the Huffington Post which I found just doing a cursory search [44]. There appear to be several others out there from both major newspapers and magazines, as well as being mentioned in a few books. Yes, this article does badly need work, but that's not reason to delete. But I think a good "unsourced" or "needs references" tag would help as well as listing on a noticeboard. I also recommend just letting the vote unfold naturally. No need to counter every Keep vote with a delete rationale. It will all balance out in the end. - O.R. Comms 19:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Alright. I just wanted to make my point clear, but if there's truly interest toward the article, I'm happy to give it a shot. I'll withdraw my nomination. KarlPoppery ( talk) 19:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I've done what I think is enough editing to make the article keepable; more work could be done. Power~enwiki ( talk) 19:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. with no prejudice against speedy renomination. ( non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 04:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

The North Fork Championship

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Non-notable. Most of the search results are self-published, local, or esoteric to kayakers. Esprit15d • talk contribs 02:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep We seem to be nearing a place in AfD's where "local coverage" means "Any news outlet in the same state". The Idaho Statesman is, by any reasonable evaluation, a WP:RS independent of the subject and the largest paper in Idaho and its article on the event is certainly significant. It also has significant, independent RS coverage from the largest broadcast station in the state. Dismissing these as "local" is like dismissing a story about the New York City mayor because all the coverage is in the New York Times and Bloomberg. "Local coverage" is being twisted to carve out articles that qualify under WP:GNG, which this satisfies. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:10, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. So Why 13:11, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:ENTERTAINER. The individuals are notable, but the team is not. No significant coverage of the team in reliable independent sources. All sources in the article are WP:ROUTINE. Also WP:TOOSOON. Nikki 311 02:54, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete and redirect to One Million Signatures#Persecution. While deletion is the consensus, Robert Loup is correct that WP:1E advises to redirect to the event in such cases where general notability does not exist. Since 1E is also the reason cited for deletion, deleting and redirecting is the correct solution within policy and guidelines. Regards So Why 13:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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She's not notable enough per WP:ONEEVENT. I nominate it specially because I could not find sources deeply dealing with the subject for reasons other than her 2007 event. Mhhossein talk 14:55, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Getrag. WP:NPASR, either at AfD or RfD, due to low participation. (non-admin closure) f e minist 03:10, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. No references, reads like a technical specification manual. WP:NOTDIR. Some aspects certainly seem like OR ( WP:NOR) MB 01:29, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 03:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

2018 NASCAR Xfinity Series

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I believe this article falls under WP:TOOSOON. No reputable sources about the series exist, and the official schedule has not been announced yet.

I would also like to nominate these articles for the same reasons:
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  • Speedy keep This was just kept less than a month ago in an AfD. There is ample information available in the article, and consensus was unanimous to keep only a few weeks ago. Nothing's changed since then. Smartyllama ( talk) 15:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    • As someone with a lot of interest in the sport, most of the information in the article is WP:SPECULATION. The only article that has information that can be validated is the Cup article. I took the following from the schedule section: "The initial schedule, comprising 33 races, was released on March 26, 2017, A final schedule with some modifications made in conjunction with broadcast partners FOX & NBC was released on July 27, 2016." How was a final schedule made before the initial schedule was even released? Most of this article appears to be copied from the previous season or complete speculation/rumors for the new season. – Nascar1996 ( talkcont) 21:16, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy keep per Smartyllama. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:55, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per Smartyllama Chetsford ( talk) 06:59, 14 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 05:36, 19 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Aynsley China

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Fails WP:NCORP. Independent RS online covers primarily one event: closing a store down. Delete. Mr. Guye ( talk) ( My aftermath) 01:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • It does seem odd that this company that has been continuous operation since the late 18th century would not have more book cites. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 02:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - it's a well-known British china manufacturer with a long history. I've tidied the article and added some referenced information to support its notability: improving an article is usually preferable to nominating it for deletion. Bad-patches ( talk) 18:18, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to List of notable traffic collisions (2000–present). consensus was to merge existing notable (i.e. those with wikipages) accidents into a newly created page combining the time period of all 3 existing articles. ( non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 23:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

List of traffic collisions (2015–present)

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Verging on WP:RUNOFTHEMILL but I cannot find any guidelines regarding ROTM road accidents - all are non notable bar the odd few with their own pages. There are millions of RTCs every year that are non-notable. We do not need a list for all of them that have BBC News articles.

Same applies for; and also nominating:
List of traffic collisions (2010–2014) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of traffic collisions (2000–09) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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  • Delete there are far too many traffic collisions in this year for this list to be comprehensive; the selection of events for this page is inherently biased. Individual events might be notable, and a category for them might be relevant, but having this as a stand-alone page seems silly. Power~enwiki ( talk) 19:15, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Merge all and move to List of notable traffic collisions (2000–present) as having a page simply on run-of-the-mill traffic collisions seems too silly, but the page itself seems worthy for improvement. ToThAc ( talk) 19:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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185.59.158.22:- Two questions - define "Useful" within the topic and where are the sources for the unsourced items? Nördic Nightfury 15:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Yeah...that vote might fall under question per ITSUSEFUL.
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The result was no consensus. Opinion split between keep and delete. (non-admin closure) f e minist 01:40, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Moree Boomerangs

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Does not meet WP:NCORP. There's not been enough significant coverage. Note that WP:NSPORTS isn't applicable. Yashovardhan ( talk) 08:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • This is a poorly written stub with no indication of notability and my understanding of the Australian league system is that this club plays at such a low level that Wikipedia notability guidelines are unlikely to be met anytime soon. I appreciate the links that User:Doctorhawkes has provided, but I'm not sure just proving the club exists is enough for it to pass GNG. If the club ever successfully applies to a higher level of amateur/semi-pro Rugby league in Australia, my view would likely change to keep and improve, but for now it's delete. Skemcraig ( talk) 13:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, the level of the league that the club participates in is completely irrelevant, what is relevant is that there are substantial sources in multiple credible metro papers that discuss the club and its history in detail. Meets the WP:GNG and then some. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 07:06, 5 May 2017 (UTC). reply
RE: "the level of the league that the club participates in is completely irrelevant" – I've seen amateur club articles deleted for that exact rationale, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. Skemcraig ( talk) 13:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Is there a policy you can cite to that effect? The relevant notability guideline that I can see is WP:ORG. Granted, most amateur footy clubs won't have that much substantial independent coverage, but this one isn't your average amateur club for a variety of reasons that the sources listed above go into. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 00:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC). reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) f e minist 01:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Brandon Barnes

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The drummer of Rise Against. I'm not convinced he is personally notable outside of the band, and the article seems to broadly just be a biography of them, with a little bit on his personal life, but nothing to assert any independent notability. Precedent is to not have articles on every member of a band, even if they're especially famous, unless they independently warrant it. Note first AFD was a different subject (a jazz musician). KaisaL ( talk) 17:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge (minimally) to Rise Against. Worth a redirect at least. His previous band should really be mentioned there ( this source could be used), but the lack of sourced content here means there's not much else mergeworthy. -- Michig ( talk) 18:58, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The other members have their own articles, I don't see why the article on the drummer was singled out for nomination for deletion. As for the non sourced material, perhaps someone can find sources? Abstrakt ( talk) 02:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment I'm not sure the above keep arguments have sufficiently demonstrated he's independently notable. I'm not disputing his obvious notability as part of Rise Against, but I don't see what he has done independently to warrant an article. Other members having an article isn't a reason, and sources coming up on news - many of which will be about the band - isn't really either. If there's reliable, substantial sources covering him as an individual outside of the band, then sure, that's different. Note many, many big bands don't have any members with an article of their own. I appreciate this final sentence is a bit WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but as an example of my point, Matthew Healy from The 1975 - a band of equal or higher fame - is that band's singer and he doesn't have an article. KaisaL ( talk) 14:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Adequate reliable and verifiable sources that are about him independently to meet the notability standard. Alansohn ( talk) 02:31, 12 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Weak consensus, but no other editor opted for deletion after two relists. (non-admin closure) f e minist 01:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable actor. Only third-party source is an AP blurb about his recent death. Article is a decade old and has never been improved. sixtynine • speak up • 22:25, 25 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The coverage us there, I just can't read it. And obits often make good sources because they are concise. Dloh cierekim 04:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:37, 18 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet requirements for WP:GNG. Atsme 📞 📧 00:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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