You have gone through the article that I wrote about Susan Etok removing credible references and trying to get the page deleted. Your efforts have been noted by other editors as well to the point that I am convinced that you have a vested interest in this article because you are a Michael Jackson fan. Your comments in the article for deletion section seem full of malice.
I do not know and have not met Dr Etok, I wrote this article because I live in the town that she is from and she is always in the local papers and local news. Most recently last week.
I have spent alot of time researching this article and will not have my work destroyed because you have a grudge against the person in the article.
You have also made some comments in the article for deletion section about the subject in the article that could land you in legal hot water, but that is not of my concern.
Lola — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respect77 ( talk • contribs) 10:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Shritwood, I am not sure what is wrong with you but you have some obssession with this lady that us not healthy. Why I have a studio quality picture of this lady because I downloaded it from her website with permission on no copyright restrictions. What has that got to do with anything? Objectivity is key here and you are not being objective. Anyone would think that you were racist or a Michael Jackson fan. You are not committed to getting accurate articles out there, you are hellbent on trying to ruin people's reputation. As an editor, you shouldn't be working on this article because it is clear that you know or have been involved with this woman. Your reaction is far too emotional to be one based on good editing and accuracy. Respect77 13:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respect77 ( talk • contribs)
I am the copyright owner of the photo because I own the company that took her photographs. I am not the photographer and I have never spoken to or met the woman personally. We still ask for permission to use photos - it is courtesy!
- So you own Paul William Photography? I am surprised that it has more than one person working for it. That should be very easy to verify. Oddly though, you said that you downloaded it from her web site. Now you say that an employee took the photograph. Perhaps you should get the details straight in your head. Shritwod ( talk) 13:15, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Be my guest. Please verify the source of the photo.....Respect77 13:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respect77 ( talk • contribs)
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They are indeed accurate to the place where the people were born. Anyone born in Birmingham before 1974 was born in Warwickshire. This is indisputable. Anyone born in Munich in 1985 was born in West Germany. To take your view to the logical extreme, you might as well say King Harold was born in East Sussex, Immanuel Kant was born in the Russian Federation, or that Abraham was Iraqi. None of them were, obviously, so why hold different standards for people born in the 20th century? Where being "helpful" diverges from accuracy, I side with accuracy. JamKaftan ( talk) 20:38, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, but we are not dealing with historical figures, we are dealing with contemporary ones. The addition of the counties in many cases does not add value and it does not seem to fit in with the WP:UKPLACE guidelines. Shritwod ( talk) 22:50, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Most of the edits that have been made by moderators has not been to correct neutral tone issues, but rather the mass cutting of information. I understand perfectly fine if there are issues with neutrality, however I have sought to substantiate all of the claims on the article with some sort of citation or another. Many hours have been put into researching the necessary citations, and I would appreciate if the concerned moderators would not remove the properly cited information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by C3po2398 ( talk • contribs) 14:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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Did you go to Sawtry School? I did. Martin was a very notable student. Ask anyone who went there. I did, I was witness to the "olive record of 95" and he was in a Relationship with the schools joker man Daryl.
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Hello, thank you for your edit. I request that you kindly give some time to update the article with more sources. It is a new article and is being developed. Thanks Salbador7070 ( talk) 17:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that you are establishing notability, just because this is someone's lawyer. Which articles from reliable sources indicate that this person is notable in their own right, i.e. as the primary subject of an article rather than as someone else's lawyer? Shritwod ( talk) 20:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Please always check the history of articles before proposing it for deletion. Two senior editors (one of which is an administrator) have already worked on this article but did not propose it for deletion why are you proposing it for deletion? The article has already been patrolled by the administrator who removed some deprecated sources from it. Please, I beg to remove the tag. Thank you Salbador7070 ( talk) 17:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Please be aware that the Daily Mail is considered deprecated and should not be used in most cases. Victor Schmidt ( talk) 09:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- I was reverting some persistent disruptive editing by another person before adding a RS. Shritwod ( talk) 09:51, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hi! Revisiting the AFD for
Matthew Tye (
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Tye (3rd nomination)), I found
South China Morning Post
covered him in this 2020 story. This can be combined with
this profile from the China-based
That's Magazines (intended for foreigners living in China). Perhaps we can see if we can write a new article about Tye.
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Greetings, I would also like to follow up on the AFD for
Matthew Tye (
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Tye (3rd nomination)), Various internet articles related to Matthew are available so this indicates he is a notable person - should we proceed to create a new article or can we have the previous one restored so we can make updates.
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References
- ^ https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4057535
- ^ https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
- ^ https://china.usc.edu/american-youtubers-china-qa-winston-sterzal-and-matthew-tye
- ^ https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-china-friction-turns-youtube-093000892.html
- ^ https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/04/coronavirus-and-china-unconfirmed-origin-in-wuhan-laboratory-but-unconvincing-denial.html
- @ Infograbber19: I think The Beijinger should be a good source too. The Forbes article is written by a "contributor" (non-staff) and Forbes does not editorially review articles written by contributors, so that one does not count. See Forbes in Wikipedia:Perennial sources. WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ WhisperToMe: Thanks - I have removed some of the more dubious sources that were there. Infograbber19 ( talk) 02:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
Shritwod: Hi - Just wondering if it's best to create a new article or is it possible to undelete the existing one based on the sources relating to
Matthew Tye (
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Tye (3rd nomination))
Infograbber19 (
talk) 09:28, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe: @
Infograbber19: Not one of those looks like a reliable source, they are all blogs, non-notable of the mention of Tye is incidental. Even the Forbes one is a blog (see
WP:RSVETTING). I don't think notability has been established and you have to bear in mind that the article has been deleted three times already. Without better sources I think it would just get deleted again.
Shritwod (
talk) 14:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
-
One of them is an article of the
South China Morning Post which in
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources is deemed generally reliable (though with caveats for recent articles about Chinese politics). The article was published in 2020, after the last AFD (which was in 2018). The article gives
Wikipedia:Significant coverage to Tye. That's one of at least two needed articles for notability. Now there's another consideration: The Beijinger, which
did an article on Tye and Sterzel doing a trip in China (and the author is the "Deputy Managing Editor" so this is not a blog), is published by
True Run Media and is a publication for expatriates in Beijing. There's also That's Magazines,
which are published by Shanghai-based JY International Cultural Communications. I could start a reliable sources discussion about these expat publications in China if you like.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 15:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Shritwod: Following up on this one - as mentioned this individual has become more notable since 2018 and in relation to the source material, I believe taiwan news , national review , and fr24news are valid sources? Do you think these have enough content along with @ WhisperToMe: comments about The Beijinger, South China Morning Post That's Magazines? Finally the initial deletion was for a different individual Matthew_Tye First RFD , 2nd and 3rd were back in 2018, Thanks. Infograbber19 ( talk) 05:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
-
One of them is an article of the
South China Morning Post which in
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources is deemed generally reliable (though with caveats for recent articles about Chinese politics). The article was published in 2020, after the last AFD (which was in 2018). The article gives
Wikipedia:Significant coverage to Tye. That's one of at least two needed articles for notability. Now there's another consideration: The Beijinger, which
did an article on Tye and Sterzel doing a trip in China (and the author is the "Deputy Managing Editor" so this is not a blog), is published by
True Run Media and is a publication for expatriates in Beijing. There's also That's Magazines,
which are published by Shanghai-based JY International Cultural Communications. I could start a reliable sources discussion about these expat publications in China if you like.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 15:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe: @
Infograbber19: Not one of those looks like a reliable source, they are all blogs, non-notable of the mention of Tye is incidental. Even the Forbes one is a blog (see
WP:RSVETTING). I don't think notability has been established and you have to bear in mind that the article has been deleted three times already. Without better sources I think it would just get deleted again.
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@ Infograbber19 and WhisperToMe: If you guys need any assistance, let me know. I was actually planning to create a new article on Matthew Tye a month ago (around the middle of August), but due to limited time and being busy with other things, i forgot about it. In my opinion, of the ones already shared, the following are fine:
- Taiwan News article ( here)
- National Review article ( here)
- South China Morning Post article ( here)
- US-China Today interview ( here); US-China Today is a student-driven publication of the University of Southern California's U.S.-China Institute
Here are some additional sources:
- Yibada article ( here)
- Voice of America article ( here; in Chinese)
I don't like the fr24news article ( here), since it lacks the author's name. If there is no objection, i can create a new article with some basic information, and we can begin adding from there. What's your opinion Shritwod? Demetrios1993 ( talk) 13:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Those are better sources, but I'm not sure they pass the threshold of WP:BIO - to be fair I think a LOT of biographies in Wikipedia exist but don't really pass the threshold - specifically, if we count Tye as being a film-maker then I'm not sure it passes this:
- Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals:
- The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; or
- The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique; or
- The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews; or
- The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
- What makes Tye's work stand out from any other social blogger? It might be worth going to
WP:YTP and having a look there if you think he's a significant YouTuber, they have a list of requests for articles for creation.
Shritwod (
talk) 13:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- The fact that he's a foreign blogger in China, which is something of a novelty. It's the same reason why Amy Lyons and David Gulasi were covered in the Australian media. WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:43, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment. I do agree with you that there are many biographies which don't meet the necessary requirements. Matthew Tye is sort of in a grey zone at least. He is cited in a number of articles, and aside of being a successful YouTuber, he has also co-starred in the documentaries
Conquering Southern China and
Conquering Northern China. Personally, i don't think there will be any assistance by posting in
Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Articles Needed For Creation; there is not much activity going on there.
Demetrios1993 (
talk) 09:20, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi - I would like to add that both Winston Sterzel and Matthew Tye are original content creators and fairly notable social commentators who have documented unprecedented footage of life in and around China - both Winston and Matthew had been subject to a campaign to remove their presence from Wikipedia by now defunct Wikipedia users back in 2018. Matthew Tye was previously linked from Winston's wikipedia page as these 2 characters are synonymous with each other and i believe it does the wider Wikipedia community an injustice to not be able to find out some more information about Matthew, as people can do about Winston. I believe there is definitely a fairly good case of reinstating Matthew's page as I was also drawn to lookup Matthew after recently seeing various articles as we have described above as well as their documentary. I had noticed the quite aggressive campaign to remove Winston's page [ [2]] and also the same users who at the exact same time also campaigned to remove Matthew's page - this in itself suggest they are both notable considering the amount of discussion they have generated. Based on these criteria I believe that we have a reasonable case to reinstate Matthew's page and also recreate the links from Winston's page to Matthews page as had been there originally as these 2 individuals work as a team on their public activities. Pinging previous Admin on ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Tye (3rd nomination)) User:Sandstein and Admin for ( Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Winston_Sterzel_(2nd_nomination)) User:Oshwah to review the conversation, please review the history of the AfD's for Matthew / Winston as well as the talk and discussion they have generated and I am sure this will show that they have generated enough interest to each have an individual article Infograbber19 ( talk) 14:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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You have gone through the article that I wrote about Susan Etok removing credible references and trying to get the page deleted. Your efforts have been noted by other editors as well to the point that I am convinced that you have a vested interest in this article because you are a Michael Jackson fan. Your comments in the article for deletion section seem full of malice.
I do not know and have not met Dr Etok, I wrote this article because I live in the town that she is from and she is always in the local papers and local news. Most recently last week.
I have spent alot of time researching this article and will not have my work destroyed because you have a grudge against the person in the article.
You have also made some comments in the article for deletion section about the subject in the article that could land you in legal hot water, but that is not of my concern.
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Shritwood, I am not sure what is wrong with you but you have some obssession with this lady that us not healthy. Why I have a studio quality picture of this lady because I downloaded it from her website with permission on no copyright restrictions. What has that got to do with anything? Objectivity is key here and you are not being objective. Anyone would think that you were racist or a Michael Jackson fan. You are not committed to getting accurate articles out there, you are hellbent on trying to ruin people's reputation. As an editor, you shouldn't be working on this article because it is clear that you know or have been involved with this woman. Your reaction is far too emotional to be one based on good editing and accuracy. Respect77 13:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respect77 ( talk • contribs)
I am the copyright owner of the photo because I own the company that took her photographs. I am not the photographer and I have never spoken to or met the woman personally. We still ask for permission to use photos - it is courtesy!
- So you own Paul William Photography? I am surprised that it has more than one person working for it. That should be very easy to verify. Oddly though, you said that you downloaded it from her web site. Now you say that an employee took the photograph. Perhaps you should get the details straight in your head. Shritwod ( talk) 13:15, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Be my guest. Please verify the source of the photo.....Respect77 13:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respect77 ( talk • contribs)
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They are indeed accurate to the place where the people were born. Anyone born in Birmingham before 1974 was born in Warwickshire. This is indisputable. Anyone born in Munich in 1985 was born in West Germany. To take your view to the logical extreme, you might as well say King Harold was born in East Sussex, Immanuel Kant was born in the Russian Federation, or that Abraham was Iraqi. None of them were, obviously, so why hold different standards for people born in the 20th century? Where being "helpful" diverges from accuracy, I side with accuracy. JamKaftan ( talk) 20:38, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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Did you go to Sawtry School? I did. Martin was a very notable student. Ask anyone who went there. I did, I was witness to the "olive record of 95" and he was in a Relationship with the schools joker man Daryl.
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Hello, thank you for your edit. I request that you kindly give some time to update the article with more sources. It is a new article and is being developed. Thanks Salbador7070 ( talk) 17:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that you are establishing notability, just because this is someone's lawyer. Which articles from reliable sources indicate that this person is notable in their own right, i.e. as the primary subject of an article rather than as someone else's lawyer? Shritwod ( talk) 20:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Please always check the history of articles before proposing it for deletion. Two senior editors (one of which is an administrator) have already worked on this article but did not propose it for deletion why are you proposing it for deletion? The article has already been patrolled by the administrator who removed some deprecated sources from it. Please, I beg to remove the tag. Thank you Salbador7070 ( talk) 17:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Please be aware that the Daily Mail is considered deprecated and should not be used in most cases. Victor Schmidt ( talk) 09:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hi! Revisiting the AFD for
Matthew Tye (
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Tye (3rd nomination)), I found
South China Morning Post
covered him in this 2020 story. This can be combined with
this profile from the China-based
That's Magazines (intended for foreigners living in China). Perhaps we can see if we can write a new article about Tye.
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Greetings, I would also like to follow up on the AFD for
Matthew Tye (
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Tye (3rd nomination)), Various internet articles related to Matthew are available so this indicates he is a notable person - should we proceed to create a new article or can we have the previous one restored so we can make updates.
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References
- ^ https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4057535
- ^ https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
- ^ https://china.usc.edu/american-youtubers-china-qa-winston-sterzal-and-matthew-tye
- ^ https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-china-friction-turns-youtube-093000892.html
- ^ https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/04/coronavirus-and-china-unconfirmed-origin-in-wuhan-laboratory-but-unconvincing-denial.html
- @ Infograbber19: I think The Beijinger should be a good source too. The Forbes article is written by a "contributor" (non-staff) and Forbes does not editorially review articles written by contributors, so that one does not count. See Forbes in Wikipedia:Perennial sources. WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ WhisperToMe: Thanks - I have removed some of the more dubious sources that were there. Infograbber19 ( talk) 02:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
Shritwod: Hi - Just wondering if it's best to create a new article or is it possible to undelete the existing one based on the sources relating to
Matthew Tye (
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Tye (3rd nomination))
Infograbber19 (
talk) 09:28, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe: @
Infograbber19: Not one of those looks like a reliable source, they are all blogs, non-notable of the mention of Tye is incidental. Even the Forbes one is a blog (see
WP:RSVETTING). I don't think notability has been established and you have to bear in mind that the article has been deleted three times already. Without better sources I think it would just get deleted again.
Shritwod (
talk) 14:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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One of them is an article of the
South China Morning Post which in
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources is deemed generally reliable (though with caveats for recent articles about Chinese politics). The article was published in 2020, after the last AFD (which was in 2018). The article gives
Wikipedia:Significant coverage to Tye. That's one of at least two needed articles for notability. Now there's another consideration: The Beijinger, which
did an article on Tye and Sterzel doing a trip in China (and the author is the "Deputy Managing Editor" so this is not a blog), is published by
True Run Media and is a publication for expatriates in Beijing. There's also That's Magazines,
which are published by Shanghai-based JY International Cultural Communications. I could start a reliable sources discussion about these expat publications in China if you like.
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talk) 15:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Shritwod: Following up on this one - as mentioned this individual has become more notable since 2018 and in relation to the source material, I believe taiwan news , national review , and fr24news are valid sources? Do you think these have enough content along with @ WhisperToMe: comments about The Beijinger, South China Morning Post That's Magazines? Finally the initial deletion was for a different individual Matthew_Tye First RFD , 2nd and 3rd were back in 2018, Thanks. Infograbber19 ( talk) 05:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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One of them is an article of the
South China Morning Post which in
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources is deemed generally reliable (though with caveats for recent articles about Chinese politics). The article was published in 2020, after the last AFD (which was in 2018). The article gives
Wikipedia:Significant coverage to Tye. That's one of at least two needed articles for notability. Now there's another consideration: The Beijinger, which
did an article on Tye and Sterzel doing a trip in China (and the author is the "Deputy Managing Editor" so this is not a blog), is published by
True Run Media and is a publication for expatriates in Beijing. There's also That's Magazines,
which are published by Shanghai-based JY International Cultural Communications. I could start a reliable sources discussion about these expat publications in China if you like.
WhisperToMe (
talk) 15:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
WhisperToMe: @
Infograbber19: Not one of those looks like a reliable source, they are all blogs, non-notable of the mention of Tye is incidental. Even the Forbes one is a blog (see
WP:RSVETTING). I don't think notability has been established and you have to bear in mind that the article has been deleted three times already. Without better sources I think it would just get deleted again.
Shritwod (
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@ Infograbber19 and WhisperToMe: If you guys need any assistance, let me know. I was actually planning to create a new article on Matthew Tye a month ago (around the middle of August), but due to limited time and being busy with other things, i forgot about it. In my opinion, of the ones already shared, the following are fine:
- Taiwan News article ( here)
- National Review article ( here)
- South China Morning Post article ( here)
- US-China Today interview ( here); US-China Today is a student-driven publication of the University of Southern California's U.S.-China Institute
Here are some additional sources:
- Yibada article ( here)
- Voice of America article ( here; in Chinese)
I don't like the fr24news article ( here), since it lacks the author's name. If there is no objection, i can create a new article with some basic information, and we can begin adding from there. What's your opinion Shritwod? Demetrios1993 ( talk) 13:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Those are better sources, but I'm not sure they pass the threshold of WP:BIO - to be fair I think a LOT of biographies in Wikipedia exist but don't really pass the threshold - specifically, if we count Tye as being a film-maker then I'm not sure it passes this:
- Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals:
- The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; or
- The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique; or
- The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews; or
- The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
- What makes Tye's work stand out from any other social blogger? It might be worth going to
WP:YTP and having a look there if you think he's a significant YouTuber, they have a list of requests for articles for creation.
Shritwod (
talk) 13:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- The fact that he's a foreign blogger in China, which is something of a novelty. It's the same reason why Amy Lyons and David Gulasi were covered in the Australian media. WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:43, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment. I do agree with you that there are many biographies which don't meet the necessary requirements. Matthew Tye is sort of in a grey zone at least. He is cited in a number of articles, and aside of being a successful YouTuber, he has also co-starred in the documentaries
Conquering Southern China and
Conquering Northern China. Personally, i don't think there will be any assistance by posting in
Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Articles Needed For Creation; there is not much activity going on there.
Demetrios1993 (
talk) 09:20, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi - I would like to add that both Winston Sterzel and Matthew Tye are original content creators and fairly notable social commentators who have documented unprecedented footage of life in and around China - both Winston and Matthew had been subject to a campaign to remove their presence from Wikipedia by now defunct Wikipedia users back in 2018. Matthew Tye was previously linked from Winston's wikipedia page as these 2 characters are synonymous with each other and i believe it does the wider Wikipedia community an injustice to not be able to find out some more information about Matthew, as people can do about Winston. I believe there is definitely a fairly good case of reinstating Matthew's page as I was also drawn to lookup Matthew after recently seeing various articles as we have described above as well as their documentary. I had noticed the quite aggressive campaign to remove Winston's page [ [2]] and also the same users who at the exact same time also campaigned to remove Matthew's page - this in itself suggest they are both notable considering the amount of discussion they have generated. Based on these criteria I believe that we have a reasonable case to reinstate Matthew's page and also recreate the links from Winston's page to Matthews page as had been there originally as these 2 individuals work as a team on their public activities. Pinging previous Admin on ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Tye (3rd nomination)) User:Sandstein and Admin for ( Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Winston_Sterzel_(2nd_nomination)) User:Oshwah to review the conversation, please review the history of the AfD's for Matthew / Winston as well as the talk and discussion they have generated and I am sure this will show that they have generated enough interest to each have an individual article Infograbber19 ( talk) 14:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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