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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Rebecca Eastham

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Non-notable actor. Minor appearances and no significant coverage. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 23:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Lack of coverage for this particular page I believe makes the page not notable. Wiki Cell ( talk) 08:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete starring in a non-notable film does not make one notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete A few minor roles. Her credits include "Receptionist" and other minor characters. Fails WP:NACTOR. Article creator should take care while putting "his" in a female actor's biography. -- Skr15081997 ( talk) 12:07, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails NACTOR, possibly a TOOSOON situation depending on whether she accumulates more credits and more notable credits moving forward. South Nashua ( talk) 18:16, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 02:27, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

2010s in music

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This article has been brought up by Sergecross73 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums. The following text is taken directly from the "2010s in music" section:

"Mostly unsourced original research and giant paragraphs of excessive example bloat."

Serge also said the article is "largely unsourced and unfocused". DBZFan30 ( talk) 22:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete The article could be scratched and started over again with proper sources. TH1980 ( talk) 22:36, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep because not only does this article focus on musical trends of this decade, but it's an article of over 500 words, with over 70 references. 107.218.152.97 ( talk) 22:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Oh wow, did not expect this. I really just contacted the WikiProject for advice on how to approach cleaning it up. I guess I'm neutral at this point? On one hand, the article is truly in awful shape. On the other hand, I'm not sure how one could possibly argue that a decade of music could be not notable, though there could be a good WP:TNT argument to be made. This really probably warrants a bigger discussion about these "decade in music" articles - it's weird to just delete one, but in my spot-checking, many of these types of articles are on just terrible shape. Sergecross73 msg me 00:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, but with a 90 day deadline to improve it or it gets deleted. I looked at the other decades for music. Various decades had problematic articles and have been tagged such as 2000s in music, I suggest creating a Wikipedia Project to clean up the articles related to decades of music. As far as this article, User:Theatheistgerm created this article and a large portion of the article's content. He has not edited Wikipedia since October 1. 2016. He may have stopped editing Wikipedia for good. The are sections of the article which are problematic. For example, the Hip Hop section which is nearly all internal links and see it is very visually unappealing to the eye. Some of the picture placements are poorly done as well in some sections. The article needs better sourcing as well. desmay ( talk) 01:19, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Thats...not really how WikiProjects work. They only work if there are already many people already interested in the subject. I think the reason these articles are perpetually in bad shape is because there's a lack of editors interested in working on this. So far, my request at existing Music WikiProjects has only resulted in this AFD. Sergecross73 msg me 01:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Notable, as it covers the state of genres in the 2010s such as rock, pop, hip hop, just to name a few. MetalDiablo666 ( talk) 01:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Thats just a description of the article's scope, not an argument for or against deletion. Sergecross73 msg me 01:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. This article may be in awful shape, however, if it is improved then it would be worth keeping. This article is informative and notable as it covers a variety of genres throughout a decade-long period. Bmbaker88 ( talk) 02:58, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - The topic of this article is clearly notable, we have articles on other decades in music and on individual years. The article does not fall under any of the reasons for deletion listed on this page. The article should instead be improved, or unreferenced material removed. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 11:03, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - clearly notable, and not so awful as to be blown up. Bearian ( talk) 02:15, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - It's a good article with a lot information about the music in the 2010s. Why would anybody nominate it for deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.28.208.80 ( talk) 22:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - an obviously notable topic. However, it is in need of a lot of cleanup. If the problem is systemic, and not limited to just this article (as it seems), it should be discussed in the context of all those "decade in music" articles. It will be great if we could have a guideline page that talks about things to include and how to write them (an RfC might help with that). But we don't. So, let's stick to fixing the problem for the moment. —  Yash  talk  stalk 17:57, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Indeed, this is related to why I started my initial discussion at the busiest music WikiProject I've observed. I was interested in trying to clean it up, but couldn't find any well-done examples to base my efforts off of. A week later, and no one, here or there, has offered any meaningful insight. Sergecross73 msg me 19:54, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Mandini (Singer)

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Apparent autobiography of a non- notable singer. No indications of any record releases, and therefore certainly no indications of any airplay, awards, etc. Speedy deletion declined so here we are. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 21:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy delete no major label, no major songs, no major... anything. Being the spawn of a (barely) notable person does not mean they should have a page. This should have been speedied, and WP:ATD-R be damned. Primefac ( talk) 21:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Gigi Zancheta. I can't find anything other than that they have the relationship. Adam9007 ( talk) 21:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
A redirect is a bad idea because he is not mentioned on Gigi's page. Someone searching for Mandini would be rather confused ending up at a (female) soap opera star's page with no mention of him. Primefac ( talk) 22:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I've searched for sourcing and can find no evidence of notability.. Redirecting a BLP to another BLP without a very strong reason to do so is troublesome. INVALIDBIO does not call for it to be done, it points out that two non-notable children redirect to their respective parents, which in both of those cases make sense, the children of two of the world' most famous celebrities will likely be searched for and recreated if a red link. We have no reason to think that would be the case here. TonyBallioni ( talk) 22:10, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete What is the CCS here? Being born to someone famous in 99.9% of circumstances is not going to be a CCS. Every person is born, doesn't make it special or significant because their parents have a Wikipedia article. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 22:21, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Speedy delete This article is not well done at all and could easily go. TH1980 ( talk) 22:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete No RSes found with either Google or Google news search. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:39, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete No sources, couldn't find a thing, and the "(Singer)" disambiguation makes it completely inappropriate for a redirect Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Zero evidence of notability. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 12:29, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Associate mobile

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Company fails WP:GNG. I was unable to find anything to satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH. I added a reference from Bloomberg to the article but that is just a listing verifying that the company exists. CNMall41 ( talk) 21:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete The subject lacks notability. TH1980 ( talk) 22:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - no coverage other than business directories, etc. Does not meet basic notability standards. Glendoremus ( talk) 05:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Fails WP:GNG, I could not find significant coverage of the company in any independent reliable source, just listings in business directories. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:54, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Michael Lajtay

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Inadequate evidence of notability. Only ref. 2 contributes anything, and it is from 17 years ago. Maproom ( talk) 20:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Delete Subject lacks notability. TH1980 ( talk) 22:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete a refernece being 17 years old does not diminish notability, but one reliable source indepth reference is not enough to show a businessman is notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 07:25, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Rise of Hip Hop

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Per WP:NOT#OR. Unreferenced original research. There are footnotes as if they intended to provide sources, but without any provided the article should be deleted Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 20:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Speedy delete The article is completely lacking in proper sourcing and formatting as per Wikipedia guidelines. TH1980 ( talk) 22:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. This article is written like an opinion piece instead of an informational piece. Additionally, this article does not have any sources to support the views. Bmbaker88 ( talk) 02:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Hi! I'm one of the WikiEd people assigned to this course. While looking at the page I noticed that it appears to copy content from here, the Wikipedia article on hip hop, some content from New York City blackout of 1977, and hip hop music. On his sandbox page he seems to give attribution to the other Wikipedia articles, but I don't see where this is in his edit history. I'll send a copy to the student and alert him to this. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 05:05, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Actually, it doesn't look like I can email him. I'll send him a message on his talk page instead. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 05:07, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Leigh Valentine

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Does not appear to satisfy our notability criteria. The only reliable independent secondary sources I could find say that she had a messy divorce from Robert Tilton and that she led a prayer at a Trump rally last spring. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 20:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete She is a background supporter of a lot of causes, but being in the background generally means non-notable. Her winning the state Miss USA competition is also not a sign of notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:58, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete I searched, since bio indicated that there might be notability out there, somewhere, but there isn't. Nom and Johnpacklambert have this exactly right. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • delete unable to locate significant coverage on Gale. Dloh cierekim 21:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
Dlohcierekim, who is Gale? -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 21:50, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
" Gale (publisher), a publisher of reference books and databases, formerly known as the Gale Group, then Thomson Gale." They have a large collection of reference materials. I have access via my library. I saw a banner notification over my watchlist saying they were offering free access to a limited number of editors. 65.35.179.54 ( talk) 22:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC) oops, logged out by power failure. Dloh cierekim 22:05, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) —  Yash  talk  stalk 17:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Claire keane

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No evidence here of any notability. She is an illustrator, no doubt a very competent illustrator, but no evidence that she is a notable illustrator. Fails WP:GNG. Reads like a veiled advert for her new book.   Velella   Velella Talk   18:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy delete Richard BB 18:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - per nom. The only references I can find are mostly unreliable i.e. blogs Reb1981 ( talk) 19:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • I'll just add that Richard BB's speedy deletion tag was declined -- and I'd say, rightly so. I can't see any basis to speedy delete, nor does he offer one here. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep. I'm finding a number of reliable sources on this subject, including a Fast Company article, an NPR station article, and plenty more. Based on my research the subject appears notable.-- SouthernNights ( talk) 00:30, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep in addition to the above the article had a improperly integrated reference section that with some love should be enough to bring it within WP:GNG. Artw ( talk) 05:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The reliable sources linked to by SouthernNights, above, is enough to pass WP:GNG. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 11:18, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep It seems the Wall Street Journal reviewed one of her books as one of the "best new children's books." I don't have a subscription to WSJ but the review is linked here. Also, wondering why her last name is in lower case in the WP article (I usually check maiden and married name variance and noticed this.) Netherzone ( talk) 22:51, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: SouthernNights presents a compelling argument. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 12:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep passes GNG. I added some sources to the article, too. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 00:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep – Meets WP:AUTHOR and WP:BASIC per a WP:BEFORE source review. Here's more sources: [1], [2], [3], [4]. North America 1000 01:02, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 04:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Dana Arschin

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Clearly fails WP:NJOURNALIST. The emmy award was not an individual award but one for a broadcast of which she was part of the 11 person team. fails WP:GNG Domdeparis ( talk) 18:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Of the 12 sources provided 6 are self-published, 1 (daily dot) just says "Editors of News 12 and the reporter, Dana Arschin, who claims to be a “Holocaust Educator,” did not return our requests for comment" and nothing else about her. NYIT is her Alma Marta and so not independent. 1 (greatneckrecord) doesn't mention her but her name appears in a caption for a photo. Another (Brooklyn eagle) is about a business park and not about her and just gives a passing mention at the end of the article. 1 is a podcast from a private college and the last is the list of winners of the NY Emmys that I added myself to clarify the claim of being an Emmy-winning journalist. This is clearly a puff piece for a non-notable young journalist. Domdeparis ( talk) 18:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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*Keep For now at least. She is young and there are quite a few reliable sources that specifically mentions her, or is about her. Not including the plethora of reports by her that come up during the Google News search with her name.-- Contactpage ( talk) 18:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete for now at least. Dearth of coverage about her. Google hits for her reports don't fill the need for independent sourcing. May she one day be notable, but is not now. Dloh cierekim
Comment: There are also many Google hits for her videos. Indeed Google hits for her overabundance of reports don't fill the need for independent sourcing, but do provide basis for citation, making her notable another way. BTW independent sourcings do exist -- Contactpage ( talk) 19:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC) boldly going where Domdeparis has gone before. Dloh cierekim 15:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
please don't hesitate to cite them here and add them to the article it would help to decide the outcome. Domdeparis ( talk) 21:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep Barely enough coverage to clear WP:GNG, the reason I would say keep is there is probably a lot of tv broadcasts that could be used as sources if they could be made available online. I know this argument is a little WP:CRYSTALy but the sources online seem to just be a shadow of the information on this person released to the public. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 19:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

*Keep I saw her on TV many times.-- Pediaorg ( talk) 19:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Comment I don't mean to be rude but that has to be the lamest argument in an Afd discussion I have ever seen... Domdeparis ( talk) 21:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Indeed. Having seen someone on TV does not signify notability. Dloh cierekim 21:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

*Keep Enough reliable sources to justify notability, and also her work is significant enough to be covered in highly esteemed magazines/journals.-- U2t5h6c9 ( talk) 19:52, 27 April 2017 (UTC)U2t5h6c9 ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

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!votes struck as all were sockpuppets of the same account that created the page and have been blocked indefinately here. I hope this is appropriate Domdeparis ( talk) 15:44, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Camp Jaycee

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Local organization that fails the WP:AUD test of notability (organizations and companies). Searches of the usual Google types, Gale, HighBeam, JSTOR, and ProQuest did not return any significant coverage in independent reliable sources more than ten miles from the camp. (Note that there are camps of the same name elsewhere, such as New Jersey and Virginia, operated by other organizations.) -- Worldbruce ( talk) 04:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • delete You look at all those ref's and say, "oooo, notable," right? Only not. There is actually no assertion of significance in the article, and much of the content is promotional. There are several dead links that all point to the same source. There are sources connected to the subject, and a couple of local "human interest story" sources. Lacks significant coverage to meet WP:GNG Dloh cierekim 21:18, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Some of this content can be added about this to the ROTS article provided there are reliable sources backing it up. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 04:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise

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Seems to be a section of script from the Star Wars film. WP:NOTPLOT is the closest reason I could find for deletion Skamecrazy123 ( talk) 17:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - WP:NOTPLOT is a valid reason for deletion. As another user said, it does seem to be a section of the script from Star Wars. XboxGamer 22408talk to me 17:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete More appropriate for some Star Wars wiki. No encyclopedic content. Possibly a copyvio. Certainly unsourced, no indication of notability, several varieties of WP:not's. Dloh cierekim 18:36, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Looks like it was ripped straight from Wookiepedia. Dcfc1988 ( talk) 17:23, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment This is a meme. Not sure if it's gotten enough coverage to merit an article or not--I haven't really looked--but that's one reason why this exists. Might not hurt to merge to Revenge of the Sith, with a 'in popular culture' blurb explaining it. Jclemens ( talk) 02:33, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. In universe plot. No sources to show the meme is significant beyond a reddit discussion. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to Revenge of the Sith in an In Popular Culture section. The meme has some traction as noted above and that may merit a bullet point. Mytildebang ( talk) 00:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete There's honestly just nothing to merge. Most of the article is written in-universe, and there is not a single cited source in the entire article. If we were to add anything to the Revenge of the Sith article, it would have to be written anew. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 06:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. North America 1000 03:13, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Managing Successful Programmes

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non-notable government program. No context, notability unlikely even if external sources were available South Nashua ( talk) 20:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • delete per nom. when youve seen the scene you've seen the scene. ditto. use it-- chad c mulligan. Er, I mean it's a non-notable government thing that doesn't even need a redirect. Just nothing to get a grip on. Dloh cierekim 21:24, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Réjean Gaudreault

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WP:BLP of a politician, notable primarily as the mayor of a city which is not large enough to confer an automatic presumption of notability on its mayors under WP:NPOL. A smalltown mayor could potentially still get into Wikipedia if he could be really well-sourced, per "who have received significant press coverage" in NPOL #2, but the referencing here isn't getting him there: it's based on just one routine piece of election-night coverage, and one piece in which he gives a brief soundbite about his ability to work across political party lines with the local MNA, in an article that isn't otherwise about him. There's simply not enough sourcing, or enough substance, here to deem him notable just for being the mayor of a town with a population of just 11K. Bearcat ( talk) 02:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete another small place mayor in Quebec. Did someone decide to create articles on every mayor in Quebec? John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • delete NN. mentioned in a reminder to the media to attend an event per Gale. No significant coverage was found. Dloh cierekim 21:30, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus is for deletion. North America 1000 04:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Gio Matteo Natoli

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This person does not appear to meet our notability requirements – one brief mention is all I've been able to find in modern sources. The page was created by globally-locked long-term nuisance editor Alec Smithson, who was/is obsessed with people named "Natoli". Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 11:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Comment I haven't come across Alec Smithson's other stuff, but this also has an article in the Portuguese version of Wikipedia. That one seems very well-sourced. I think this is probably notable but most sources will not be in the English language. MartinJones ( talk) 12:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Good catch, MartinJones, that's Alec Smithson for certain (note the Telecom Italia IP address)! But to be doubly sure, pinging Voceditenore – who is also familiar with this editor – for a second opinion. However well-sourced that page may look at first sight, you'll note that even with all the duplicated references and general bluster and obfuscation, there's exactly one reference there that's less than about 150 years old – the same Domenico Ligresti book that's the only ref in the stub I wrote here. I read Italian without difficulty, by the way, and have searched for sources in that language. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 13:48, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Thank you for your detailed and convincing response, Justlettersandnumbers. MartinJones ( talk) 14:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment Perhaps these edits on Wikidata provide some useful cross-connections to other pages and projects which could be affected by related issues. Regards, HaeB ( talk) 03:08, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to An-225. seems to be the consensus. Andy, would you please do what's necessary. DGG ( talk ) 01:51, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Antonov An-325

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No reliable sources to attest to notability. This information, with reliable sources, would be better of as a mention on the Antonov An-225 article. BilCat ( talk) 16:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom and agree if a reliable source is found it can be a one liner in the An-225 article. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and redirect to An-225, with a further mention in HOTOL.
AIUI, this was a plan for around 6 months in early 1991 in the euphoria of post-Soviet cooperation before their collapse into non-working plumbing. The first plan was to resurrect HOTOL as the smaller Interim HOTOL with conventional (and Soviet) rocket engines, piggybacked from the back of an An-225. This had a payload of around 5 tons. Increasing the payload to 7 tons was considered necessary to make this a commercial launch vehicle, which increased the vehicle weight still further. However that then made the takeoff roll of the stacked aircraft too long for the available equatorial launch site airfields ( Kourou). Options were considered: longer flights from a longer field (but from where?), RATO (too high structural load on the pylons), an enlarged aircraft or the An-325, an An-225 (probably the #2 airframe that's still incomplete) with the inboard engines doubled up, as the lowest-cost option for greater thrust and a shortened takeoff roll.
Other than as a HOTOL launcher, there was no point to this aircraft as it was still just a STO(L) An-225, which no-one else needed.
Then the endemic HOTOL cold feet did for it, as did general Russian unrest.
As a supposed potential customer for this (and probably the people who'd broken it by asking for larger payloads), by 1993 it was a bit of a joke around ESA and Eutelsat, mostly for the French to taunt the British and their "Dan Dare spaceplane" vs. the French and their "Tintin" rockets. Then the Arianes blew up anyway and the French rocketeers went quiet. Andy Dingley ( talk) 17:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Malik Streams Corporation

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Possible A7, definitely not notable. South Nashua ( talk) 14:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. A search turned up some social websites, some self-promoting stuff, and some job advertisements. No independent coverage, fails WP:CORP and WP:GNG. Narky Blert ( talk) 21:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Antonio Walluschnig

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Was prodded with the following rationale: "Unsourced, importance not asserted, could not find sources that cover the subject in any depth." Can't add much to this. GregorB ( talk) 11:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete unsourced article that does not assert notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. There's no referencing here to get him over WP:GNG, and no claim of notability strong enough to grant him a presumption of notability in the absence of a demonstrated GNG pass. I'm not familiar enough with Hungarian history to definitively assert that an improved notability claim and better referencing weren't even possible, so no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can properly show him to be notable, but nothing here as of right now is claiming or showing anything that could make this keepable. Bearcat ( talk) 16:26, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 05:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Philip Martin (Businessperson)

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WP:BLP of a businessman, with no claim of notability strong enough to grant him an automatic inclusion freebie just for existing, and nowhere close to the depth of sourcing required to clear WP:GNG. Of the four references cited here, #4 verifies tangential facts about his company while entirely failing to mention Martin's name at all in conjunction with it; #3 is a Q&A interview with Martin in which he answers deeply probing questions like "Are you a saver or a spender?" and "Do you haggle over prices?"; and #2 is a blurb in a newspaper's local news section for the area in which Martin lives. #1 is really the only source here that might actually count for something toward getting him past WP:GNG — it's paywalled, so I can't verify how substantive it is, but even if I give it the benefit of the doubt it takes more than just one GNG-eligible source to pass GNG. As always, Wikipedia is not a free public relations platform or an alternative LinkedIn: the fact that a company has an article does not in and of itself automatically translate into a notability freebie for a separate article about its CEO in the absence of better sourcing than this, particularly when even the company's article (created by the same user) has been flagged as raising possible conflict of interest suspicions too. Bearcat ( talk) 14:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Per nom. No evidence that meets WP:GNG, or related corporate or generic biographical criteria. (As noted, a single "pen pic" in the Business Post doesn't amount to evidence of notability). Further, beyond the "he was born and went to school" text in the "early life" section, the rest of the article is substantive replication of the text of the article on his company. At *best* therefore this should be merged/redirected (per WP:OVERLAP). But, my own recommendation is for deletion (not least given the WP:PROMO, WP:NOTLINKEDIN, and other tonal issues noted by the nom). Guliolopez ( talk) 16:48, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Not much to add to the thorough nomination statement and the previous !vote. It is worth noting that the article's creator was recently blocked for undisclosed paid editing. -- bonadea contributions talk 07:27, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I also do not see how this person satisfies WP:GNG. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 10:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep per WP:BARE. There is an in-depth piece and two more tangential pieces already cited in the article. Bearian ( talk) 02:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Ajay sanchaniya

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Completely lacking notability; was previously deleted via CSD. Re-creation is likely by the subject. Let's kill it via AfD so that any future articles can (if appropriate) be done by G4. Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 13:10, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete Yeah. No independent sources in article, and lead was copied from [5]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:14, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

All The Ordinary Angels (Film)

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The play seemed to get some attention, but the film seems very indie with little media coverage. Esprit15d • talk contribs 12:36, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete The article has no reliable sources. Searching turned up nothing helpful. Fails WP:NFILM. Gab4gab ( talk) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment It was basically a student film, made at the British Youth Film Academy, and doesn't seem to have been released or received any coverage. The play is sort of notable, so it could be moved to All The Ordinary Angels (which would be the correct title even if it is kept). -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 16:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment User:Colapeninsula WikiDan61 Any assistance in doing this change would be greatly apprieciated and i'll be happy to make such changes if concensus is reached on deletion of the film/ if you beleive the play is notable enough. Thank you all for your help. Film9 ( talk) 17:59, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I have nominated Nicholas Connor (Film Director) and am co-nominating all of his films. This film will also be listed at that discussion. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 19:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    Struck comment. This is not a film directed by Connor -- he only served as Script Supervisor on the film. I still don't think the article meets WP:NF as there does not appear to be any significant coverage available. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 19:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedily deleted. Writ Keeper  13:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

How did the Arctic iceberg form ?

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It's an essay. Esprit15d • talk contribs 12:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Hirsh Singh

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WP:BLP of a person notable primarily as an as yet non-winning candidate in the primaries for a forthcoming election. As always, this is not in and of itself grounds for a Wikipedia article per WP:NPOL -- if you cannot demonstrate and reliably source that he was already notable enough for an article for some other reason before being a candidate in the primaries, then he has to win the election, not just run in it, to get an article because of the election per se. But this fails to demonstrate that he has the necessary preexisting notability; as written, it just consists of a single sentence stating that he exists, and is referenced entirely to routine coverage of his campaign announcement with no evidence of any coverage predating that. Bearcat ( talk) 00:17, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Coverage of a person's candidacy in a primary contest is simply expected to always exist for all candidates, so it falls under WP:ROUTINE, and does not assist in building a case for inclusion per WP:GNG except in the extremely rare instance that it explodes into something on the order of the international media firestorm that swallowed Christine O'Donnell. Being able to show just five pieces of coverage of a primary candidate's campaign is not evidence that their candidacy is more notable than the norm — especially since (a) PRNewsWire is not a reliable source, but a press release distribution platform, meaning that his own campaign was the author of self-published "coverage" in the instance of link #1, and (b) IndiaWest and NewsIndia Times are not newspapers in India, but Indian-American ethnic community newspapers in the United States. So the scope of coverage being shown here is already three counts less impressive than you've presented it as being, before we've even gotten into why South Jersey Today and Shore News Network aren't strong sources either. (Hint on that last part: think about the rather large difference between "substantive coverage" and "blurb".) And what John Pack Lambert said in his comment is true as well: Singh is a Republican, but this article as written fails to say that. Bearcat ( talk) 00:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment None of this rises above routine coverage expected of anyone running in an election. People who do not have the party nomination who are running for governor are not notable. The fact that passing mention of him occurs in far off press does not change that it is not above routine coverage. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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Johnpacklambert This is reliable significant independent coverage. If this is routine for candidates for NJ Governor, maybe candidates for Governor should have some sort of intrinsic notability. But this passes GNG. -- Mr. Guye ( talk) 00:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
By your method of counting virtually every candidate for political office would pass GNG. However the coverage in cases like this is short, episodic and routine at present, and just not enough to create a reliable article, plus it would lead us to creating way more articles than we could ever hope to adequately keep updated. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Every single candidate in any election would always pass GNG if all you had to show to get them over GNG just for being a candidate was a few pieces of campaign coverage. That's not how NPOL works, however: in very nearly all cases they must either win the office or already have preexisting notability for other reasons that would already have gotten them an article anyway. The only way to get over GNG just on campaign coverage alone is to have that coverage explode to a volume far out of proportion what could be merely and routinely expected to exist for all candidates — like what happened to Christine O'Donnell — and the volume of coverage you've offered here is not approaching what it would take to pass that hurdle. Bearcat ( talk) 00:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Virtually no coverage before July 2016 - [11]. He is polling at 0%-1% in the Republican primary - so this isn't even a case of waiting for the election for a potential winner. Icewhiz ( talk) 18:41, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Tourism In Indore

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It's an travel guide. Esprit15d • talk contribs 12:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

List of Professional Careers in the United States

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An indiscriminate list of careers that does not meet WP:LISTN. No standard appears to apply for entry to the list. Triptothecottage ( talk) 12:23, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as the title and capitalization make it unlikely for a redirect. Too broad for a list when we already have many lists of occupations (see lists of occupations). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete per WP:NOTGUIDE and the potential to become an indiscriminate list. Ajf773 ( talk) 23:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - this already existed (or at least did until 102 days ago) at bls.gov. Bearian ( talk) 02:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Abhimanyu Yadav

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Mostly seems famous for being the son of a politician, whose own Wikipedia page is sparse. The subject's official website is his Facebook page. Esprit15d • talk contribs 12:19, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Note to closing admin ICYMI, not sure what to make of this. Dloh cierekim 15:43, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete a non-notable youth leader of a state level party. This is not the thing notability is made of. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Delete as I found no significant coverage. Without significant coverage, there is no claim to notability, as pointed out by John. There is another person by this name, sparsely covered. Would appreciate being pointed toward any significant coverage and would appreciate said coverage being added to the article. Dloh cierekim 15:38, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
PSNone of the sources in the article are in a language can read, making assessment difficult. Dloh cierekim 15:41, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Cape May (band)

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Local band 2003-2007. Article unsourced since created in 2005. Searches of the usual Google types, HighBeam, and ProQuest found only a profile in a free arts & entertainment weekly, much of which is attributed to the band's MySpace page. No convincing evidence that the subject meets WP:BAND. Worldbruce ( talk) 17:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. The band existed, and that's about it. Note there's also The Cape May, a (notable) Canadian band. GregorB ( talk) 14:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was withdrawn by nominator. ( non-admin closure). " Pepper" @ 05:03, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Richmond Shepard

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Last AfD closed as WP:NPASR. Shepard does not meet WP:ENT or WP:GNG. It needs proper investigation, as it has been tagged for notability for almost nine years. Boleyn ( talk) 19:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. I believe that The Times and The New Yorker sources above are sufficient to meet WP:GNG (two articles in prominent publications centered on the person in question). His role in Noo Yawk Tawk ("conceived and directed") would go half way towards meeting WP:ENT, provided Noo Yawk Tawk itself is a notable show, which I must say does not appear fully certain. GregorB ( talk) 14:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Per GregorB ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ ( talk) 19:23, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Withdraw nomination per above. Boleyn ( talk) 19:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep As per, Mahveotm and GregorB Article meets WP:GNG come on guys!! Celestina007 ( talk) 21:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Raju Rage

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SPAM and GNG. First page of Google search appears to be not much more than self-promotion. South Nashua ( talk) 16:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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* Too soon. No significant exhibits or museum shows, monographs or collections. Netherzone ( talk) 22:10, 21 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Was leaning "keep" when I thought this was a dance style, it fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. It has a promotional angle. It could be acceptable with another third party review. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 01:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - No significant reliable coverage. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Robosoft Technologies

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Typical PR.Non-notable startup. Winged Blades Godric 12:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Just noting that I've declined a CSD G4 nomination for this article as its content differs substantially from the version deleted in the previous AfD. – Juliancolton |  Talk 14:24, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Wikipedia’s business coverage needs to get better at covering foreign businesses. For example, the website Techinasia.com published a substantial article on Robsoft Technologies. [12] The Alexa rank of Techinasia is 8,798 which means it is one of the most highly trafficked websites on the internet (if its Alexa ranking was not gamed). [13] By all appearances, the website techinasia.com looks like a quality content website. So it appears to be a reliable source. Wikipedia unfortunately has no article on Tech In Asia that I could readily find. The Alexa rank for another website which covers the company is also pretty high – namely vccircle.com. [14] And that website looks credible as well. That article can be found at: Mobile app developer Robosoft secures $3.7M in Series A funding from Kalaari Capital The company is mentioned in other reliable sources in the article too. Robsoft Technologies employs 600 people which is a fairly sizable company. So the main problem is that Wikipedia needs better coverage of business/tech websites in Asia and better coverage of Asian companies. Wikipedia has an article entitled Asian Century which has experts predicting Asia as a major economic/cultural force in the 21st century. It is time that Wikipedia better covers Asian business/tech. desmay ( talk) 01:21, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- promotional & no indications of significance or notability. For example, the level of funding is minuscule for this private company to be presumed notable. Available sourcing is insufficient to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. K.e.coffman ( talk) 23:44, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. The sources referred to above and in the article are WP:PRIMARY and therefore do not establish notability. The Techinasia article referred to above is clearly an advertorial with the same tired formula including interviews and photos of the founder. -- HighKing ++ 16:34, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. A Train talk 11:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Malhar Thakar

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This article should be deleted as the subject is not notable per the WP:GNG. This is because the only sources included in the article are trivial mentions of the subject or unreliable (and not independent) sources. A WP:BEFORE search found no reliable independent sources (such is IMDb). The article also fails WP:NACTOR as the person seems to have only preformed in one notable film and does not appear to meet "has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following" or "has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." - KAP03( Talk • Contributions • Email) 14:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Does seem to fail WP:NACTOR. All of the sources (save for two) are from the same source. No widespread coverage or apparent following. bojo | talk 15:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - not enough to pass NACTOR Spiderone 12:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I am fairly familiar to Gujarati film industry and the region in general and have created a few pages related to it. I was hesitant about creating the page for the actor the same reasons mentioned here. It's a weak case of WP:TOOSOON, but at the same time the actor is fairly well-known and as can now be seen from the page multiple WP:RS support this. So I'd probably favour weak keep over delete. Would also invite Nizil Shah for his opinion. Coderzombie ( talk) 13:36, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I had rewritten Gujarati cinema article and I know Gujarati language. I have seen his film Chhello Divas which was blockbuster in Gujarat State. I have pointed out the same cases, to nominator, of Janki Bodiwala, his co-star in the said film and Aarohi Patel who is also Gujarati actress. These all are weak cases of WP:TOOSOON but Malhar Thakar is somewhat known face in the state now. (Disclaimer: He was my schoolmate but we studied in different classes. We had some mutual friends.) I noted that, after these articles are created, their official pages on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are "varified" (blue ticks). So these articles might have been created to serve this purpose. I may not vote here as it may be considered as WP:COI. :) Regards,-- Nizil ( talk) 13:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC) Thank you, Coderzombie for inviting.-- Nizil ( talk) 13:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
I agree with your point, that's why I think he might pass WP:GNG if not WP:NACTOR Coderzombie ( talk) 14:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
But those sources would not be useful as they are not independent. - KAP03( Talk • Contributions • Email) 15:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
He has coverage in national newspapers (such as Times of India) as well as Gujarati newspapers, which are widely circulated and independent sources (such as Divya Bhaskar). Coderzombie ( talk) 16:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: The actor is notable and is covered by numerous RS. Definitely not a viable candidate for deletion. RoCo (talk) 06:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep: 3 of the films he played lead roles in have their articles on Wikipedia. The sources present in the article clearly indicate that he has received significant coverage for his acting. The Times of India, Divya Bhaskar and Sandesh are reliable newspapers and they cover the subject independently and for several stories. Meets WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. -- Skr15081997 ( talk) 12:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Tariq Ehsan Ghouri

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Fails WP:GNG. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - couldn't locate sources that can establish the notability of the subject. -- Saqib ( talk) 14:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete not notable. I would say "userfy", but Wikipedia is not a web host. Could see tagging for G-11 as it looks like CV of the creator. don't see a clear assertion of significance, so I see it as deletable under A7 as well. Dloh cierekim 17:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Obvious delete.-- Contactpage ( talk) 18:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

struck per this development Dloh cierekim 15:58, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

YouPoundit

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Most of the references are result of PR. No independent sources are found. Fails WP:COMPANY. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 10:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Bog-standard non-notable commerce web site. -- Calton | Talk 06:49, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Weak delete - Weak because I found hits, several of them actually. Quite a few are significant. However, these significant sources appear to either be advertising the company, or otherwise unreliable. This link is the most promising I could find, but it's only mentioned as part of an article which also discusses other startups, so it's not exactly significant coverage. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 14:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Liyo

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Non-notable product/company. Zero coverage in RS as required to meet WP:CORP. SmartSE ( talk) 09:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Uralla Tigers

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Amateur rugby league club with no claim to notability Mattlore ( talk) 09:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete a poorly written stub with no indication of notability. Also, my understanding of the Australian league system is that this club plays at such a low level that Wikipedia notability guidelines are unlikely to be met anytime soon by this club. Skemcraig ( talk) 13:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Roy Bonds

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Non-notable as a powerlifter, kickboxer or MMA fighter. Peter Rehse ( talk) 08:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete I can find no record of him fighting MMA at sherdog and there's definitely no indication of him meeting the notability criteria for MMA fighters. Checking to see if he was a notable weightlifter was a bit more difficult--especially since there's no indication of what championships he competed in or won. However, when I went through the records at USA Powerlifting ( [15]), I can not find his name mentioned at all. I looked especially carefully at events in 2000 and 2001 since that is the time period he reputedly set all these records and had so much success. To me, the burden of proof of notability has not been met. Papaursa ( talk) 17:58, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No individual notability as required by WP:GNG. Redirect attempt reverted by article creator. Exemplo347 ( talk) 08:24, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep – Per a WP:BEFORE source search, passes WP:GNG. See source examples below; more in addition to these are available. The article would benefit from copy editing to reduce intricate detail in the Version history section and to be expanded. North America 1000 01:56, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Plenty of coverage in RS (both online and published). Pavlor ( talk) 08:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Phacellodomus. with an added hatnote to point people toward The Thorn Birds. No masochistic bird text merged anywhere. ♠ PMC(talk) 03:46, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:PTM, no exact matches. The mythological creature may be notable, but it does not have an article, so describing it is not useful. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 03:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Comment: the mythological bird may be no older than the novel. I've spent a bit of time Googling and can only find copies or paraphrases of McCullough's paragraph about the myth: Mccullough quote and then here and similar! There's a religious thornbird myth too, cropping up just the once, but it's really about the goldfinch. If anyone can find an account of a pre-McCullough thornbird myth, there should be an article. Otherwise, no need for dab page, just redirect to Phacellodomus with a hatnote there to The Thorn Birds (though the hatnote on that latter article is inadequate, needs expansion or a dab page ....!) Pam D 10:12, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - If it's truly notable, start with an article and then a DAB page. I don't believe it is notable. Glendoremus ( talk) 05:23, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Certainly "thornbirds" is a common term to refer to a class of birds. And The Thorn Birds was a blockbuster novel that was made into a TV series. I doubt that the novel and genus Phacellodomus are confused for one another very often, but if they are, it can be handled by hatnotes on each page. As for the self-impaling bird myth, I can find no trace of it in WP:RS, albeit this may because sources on "thornbird" and "thornbirds" are filled with sources about the novel, even when searching with keywords like "myth." I do, howeve, have a storng suspicion that this page is a sneaky kind of PROMO for youtube videos here: [ [16]]. Delete as serving no purpose. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 17:31, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Phacellodomus as common name for the species (genus really). MB 19:24, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Yes, the term "thornbirds" should be redirected to Phacellodomus (bloodthirsty little buggers,) but not the text about the unsourced myth about suicidal mythological birds. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 19:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
E.M.Gregory, not sure I follow what you mean. You can't redirect "text", you redirect articles. Thornbirds currently redirects to Thornbird. I propose that both be changed to redirect to Phacellodomus. Singular and plural form to the same place. MB 23:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Yes, I agree. Sorry I worded it badly. I meant that the unsourced sentence asserting that there is a myth about a self-impaling thornbird should be deleted. Not added to Phacellodomus. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 01:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 04:04, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Kidney (disambiguation)

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Was erroneously listed at MFD. Rationale was

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  • Keep but edit: the man with the surname, the Chinese medicine term, and the island are dab-page-worthy, so too much for a simple hatnote. Pam D 08:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Found another name-bearer. Pam D 08:53, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
And have replaced the PTMs by SAs. Pam D 08:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I've added more entries Boleyn ( talk) 12:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • From WP:PTM, since this didn't come out as a Wikilink during the [intended] nomination for deletion, with emphasis added: "To prevent disambiguation pages from getting too long, articles on people should be listed at the disambiguation page for their first or last name only if they are reasonably well known by it. We reasonably expect to see Abraham Lincoln at Lincoln (disambiguation), but very few sources would refer to the waltz composer Harry J. Lincoln by an unqualified "Lincoln", so he is only listed at the Lincoln (surname) anthroponymy article." Six of the 12 articles on the current page are for people whose last name is "Kidney", most of those non-notable people, and none of them is known as "Kidney" the way that Mr. Lincoln is routinely known as "Lincoln." The point here isn't to add more names or entries to the list, the point is to not HAVE a list if the things on it are not routinely referred to as the word or words in the article namespace. Is "Kidney Island" routinely called "Kidney"? If not, then it doesn't belong on this list. The Kidney (food) Wikilink just goes to a subsection of the existing article Kidney, which is kind of pointless. So between the non-notable entries which have no associated Wikipedia article, the various people and places that are almost certainly not known as "Kidney", and the redundant redirect, the only entry which remains at all viable here is the one for Kidney (Chinese medicine), and a single entry doesn't warrant an entire disambig page, it warrants a hatnote, yes? KDS4444 ( talk) 09:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • There are multiple people with surname "Kidney". They could be listed at Kidney (surname) ... which would then be a valid entry at Kidney (disambiguation) (which is not unreasonably long, even with the name-holders listed, so there seems no point in adding the extra layer of a separate surname page). I've always understood that geographic entities called "XYZ" plus a generic term such as "island", "mount", "river" etc are valid dab page entries for "XYZ", so that the Kidney Island entries are also valid. I also think there's a reasonable argument to include the food entry on the list, as the reader looking for "kidney" as food will not expect to find it only mentioned in an anatomy article. Pam D 22:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Okay, starting from the end there: the "Kidney as food" link does go to the article on the anatomical organ (a separate article could be produced on the organ as a food item, and we already have such a precedent in Liver (food), but no such article currently exists for the kidney... Wanna write one?). Me, I don't have a problem having "Kidney" mean both the organ and the food, as they really aren't different things, just different contexts, but this disambig page implies different topics, which they mostly (so far) are not, yes? Second, I agree that there are lots of precedents for using disambig pages for partial title matches like "Kidney Island"... I disagree that the precedents are a good thing or should be imitated, however, as that is not the purpose of a disambig page— the purpose is to give a heads-up to readers who might not know that several other "things" in the world are also known by the same name (usually not just a similar name, and not just a name with the name in it somewhere). The purpose isn't just to catalogue all of the titles that happen to partially match (though I understand that this is how it often appears!). If a person couldn't reasonably be expected to say, "I like kidney" and possibly mean both the food item as well as some famous artist named Mr. Kidney, the two of them don't belong on a disambig list because no one is going to mistake the one for the other in an encyclopedia and no one is going to type in the word "kidney" expecting to find the artist and then be confused when they get the organ. No one. In this sense, having a disamig page that mentions all of the possible permutations of article titles that happen to have the word "kidney" in them only adds to reader confusion. I know it feels right to add all of the partial title matches in here, but it doesn't help the reader and doesn't really do anything to move the project forward— it is a lateral move, which ends up being baggage we don't need. If we need it, then that need should be justified. I am still not seeing that here. Not yet, anyway. KDS4444 ( talk) 11:32, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  1. The reader looking for kidney as food lands on the page Kidney and finds that it is an anatomical page; no mention of culinary uses in the lead section; if they scroll down a long way they might get to the TOC and notice, a very long way down it, "Kidneys as food", but I think they are much more likely to click on the hatnote and be led to the dab page, from where a helpful link takes them to the section about "Kidneys as food". Yes, they've gone back to the page where they first landed, but they are now seeing the information they want. Job done, dab page has been useful. (Yes, might get around to creating the article some time - quite a few sources, but not an area of cuisine I'm particularly interested in myself).
  2. We differ about the islands etc, but as you acknowledge yourself there are many precedents for such terms being (helpfully to my mind) listed on dab pages.
  3. There are two people surnamed "Kidney" with WP articles: are you saying that they should not be made accessible to readers who only know their surname? Surname-holders are usually listed on dab pages, or if the dab page becomes too large then in a surname page. No need for the extra layer of complexity here, the dab page does the job nicely. But a hatnote at Kidney would struggle to cope with the two name-holders who have articles as well as the Chinese medicine concept (let alone the useful-to-readers "Kidneys as food").
In short the dab page is useful to readers and complies with our guidelines so Keep. Pam D 12:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Current version sufficient as DAB. MB 20:46, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Alvin and the Chipmunks discography. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No sources cited since April 2010 (7 years). DBZFan30 ( talk) 03:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable businessperson that fails WP:GNG. A software he created got highlighted in the Hindu, so not A7, but there does not appear to be any substantial coverage of him independent of his companies. I'm doubtful that his companies or software are notable, but even if they were WP:NOTINHERITED would apply. TonyBallioni ( talk) 03:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as there's no evidence that this person passes WP:GNG. The software he created being highlighted in a couple of newspapers is a case of WP:BLP1E. — Stringy Acid talk 14:32, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The software is not notable, and that is the only thing coming event close. On a side note, should this not actually be John J Deepak? John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:34, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    • @ Johnpacklambert: South Asian naming conventions are complex, but from my (very basic) understanding, there are areas where the father's given name would be roughly the equivalent of the Western surname. I'm sure I'm mucking something up with that explanation, but its what all of his websites refer to him as, so I didn't see a reason to do a move. TonyBallioni ( talk) 18:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
      • The article says his father's name is Joseph J. I guess I am just not used to throwing an initial at the end of the name, except with some formulations of Spanish-names like Agricol Lozano H, where Lozano was his main last name, and the H is for Herrera, the secondary last name, and sometimes just used as an initial, especially when written for English speakers so they use the right last name. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:42, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. I couldn't find much in a source search (also without the initial at the end). Icewhiz ( talk) 19:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. The article states the claim of significance as "its Hollywood location and for being a popular place for celebrities to buy vehicles." The article goes on to mention the dealership closed in '95 and the building now has new tenants. I would argue that this isn't a significant enough claim of notability for the dealership to receive it's own WP page, and therefore should be deleted. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 02:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete A 20-year defunct car dealership once celebrity-adjacent doesn't need an article; compare to the many NY/LA local TV reporters who get articles just for being in a big market. Nate ( chatter) 09:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete No indication of notability, fails WP:CORPDEPTH. -- HighKing ++ 16:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - as per above. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No claim to notability. A Japanese snack service of the same name has a higher number of search hits. Esprit15d • talk contribs 02:27, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 03:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Living together before marriage

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It's an essay, Esprit15d • talk contribs 02:00, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Zacari

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He may be famous one day, but his current claim to fame is his affiliation with Kendrick Lamar, and notability is not transferable. Gsearch revealed minor mentions in relation to the release of DAMN, and some hits at Discogs. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • I certainly respect your opinion, and AfD is designed for such discussions, but your accusations against fellow editors are uncivil and unfounded. I did perform an investigation before I nominated. Even the links you provide seem to confirm the point behind the nomination. The first line of the first article is, "Being mentioned alongside Kendrick Lamar, Rihanna and U2 is a dream for many artists, but for singer-songwriter Zacari Pacaldo, it’s a reality." Kendrick Lamar's name is in ALL but one of the urls, and that link leads to an article about how inappropriate it was that Zacari crashed the stage at the People's Choice Awards and other elite events. I wish him the best, and hope that one day he warrants an article in WP, but currently, he seems to fail notability standards. Please be more civil in your opinion, as it makes this process needlessly hostile.--Esprit15d • talk contribs 10:50, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Just reviewed the People's Choice Award's link, and that's Zacari Nicasio, not the Zacari of the article.--Esprit15d • talk contribs 11:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I don't know Wikipedia's rules for deletion of musicians, but I wanted to note that this article was valuable to me. I'm cataloging Lamar's album "Damn" for the Dallas Public Library, and this article gave me a quick, single-source location to get the data points of Zacari's full name, while also confirming that this is the Zacari associated with the Kendrick Lamar album. -KM 27 April, 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.97.145.2 ( talk) 13:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Matt Philie

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YouTuber with only 170,000 subscribers. May be notable one day, but not yet. Google search shows mostly primary sources and YouTube-centric sites. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Seeing that this discussion has been open for some time I have taken some time to soak up the arguments here. Firstly, I think the new language at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is unequivocal: Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist, and thus articles about them should meet Wikipedia's standards for sources and the GNG. The editors below citing SCHOOLOUTCOMES may not have carefully reviewed this article, which is exclusively sourced to first-party documents and highly dubious third party references like this apartment rental guide. Additionally, users citing prior precedent are not convincing: the new language at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES reads as a clear break with that precedent. In light of all this, there do not appear to be any substantial arguments to keep that rebut the nomination or the arguments to delete that followed.

The crux of this is that the article as it stands clearly fails WP sourcing standards and the GNG -- I would suggest no prejudice against re-creating the article with superior sourcing that passes that bar. A Train talk 22:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Korea Kent Foreign School

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The subject fails WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. This article (and many like it) serve as promotional pieces for the schools as no independent critical coverage of the subject exists. Because WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES can no longer be used as a rationale at AfD, this article has no quality to prevent deletion. Chris Troutman ( talk) 16:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. The RfD has sadly been misunderstood. It wasn't about destroying the existing consensus, but merely about formalising it. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:12, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Please reread the purpose of the RfD. It was intended to discuss whether we should formalise the consensus in writing. It was not intended to replace the consensus, since that has been arrived at over many years of AfDs. As I said, it's been misinterpreted (probably deliberately by a number of deletionists). And a number of secondary schools have been kept in AfDs since after the consensus has been cited. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • You're confused, or you've lost your objectivity. If you can't make a policy-based argument then there's nothing to discuss. Chris Troutman ( talk) 15:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Merge: to Seoul's education section. Not notable on its own. SL93 ( talk) 18:14, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep per Necrothesp. The RfC, as all the previous, perennial ones, did not identify any clear consensus. The fact is undeniable that a precedent exists as evidenced by thousands of school articles, whether documented in a non-policy/non-guideline essay or not. One point the closer made was that the RfC should not be used to cause a stampede on school articles by the deletionists. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:29, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or merge (per DEL8 and FAILN) for lack of notability under NSCHOOLS. The "schools" RFC, with more than a hundred participants, represents broader consensus than any number of AfD discussions dominated by a small group of editors who repeat the same tired argument. Per the close, the community's consensus is that articles about schools need significant coverage in reliable and independent sources to be kept. Such coverage does not appear to exist for this school. Rebb ing 13:08, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:NSCHOOL Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 20:19, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    • WP:NSCHOOL reads: "All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline ( WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both." There's no evidence that this private school passes WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Pburka ( talk) 17:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as a lonheld standing consensus of keeping such articles as long as they in fact exist and are important to society, which is in fact a notability criterion, sufficient to keep, barred from any supposed "I don't like it" arguments. SwisterTwister talk 20:22, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    • Societal importance is not a notability criterion under any of our guidelines, and the recent "schools" RFC explicitly rejected the argument that existence is sufficient for notability: "Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist."

      Additionally, no one here is making an "I don't like it" argument; the problem is that there isn't enough independent, reliable coverage to write a useful article for this specific school. Ironically, your vote, couched in terms of social value and the notion that all school articles should be kept regardless of their individual merits, is clearly an "I like it." Rebb ing 23:14, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. as for all verifiable high schools. The RfC on secondary schools found there was not consensus to change the presumption that they are to be considered notable; it also did say there was no consensus to quote SCHOOLOUTCMES as a guideline, which does cause a certain confusion. I do not think we have in the last 6 or 7 years deleted an article for a secondary school that met WP:V, unless there was some special special. I find it quite odd that the onesn ow being nominated for deletion are international schools, because these are among the ones that the strongest case could be made for. As a reminder, the strongest reason for considering all these as notable is to avoid these discussions. We have a few hundred thousand actually harmful articles -- mainly promotional or fan-motivated, but we also have lots of unrecognized copyvio from the early years. that's what we need to work on, and every nomination like thisdetracts from the available time to do it. DGG ( talk ) 18:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    • I'm curious what the strong case for keeping international schools is. These schools are usually private businesses which have an interest in promoting their school, and may use Wikipedia to do so. They're also less likely to have lasting social impact in the community, since they serve transient ex-pats, who usually don't form strong ties to the community. Finally, one would expect that sources for international schools would be easier to find than for local schools, since their students come from all over the world, and we'd expect greater diversity in media covering an international school. Pburka ( talk) 17:37, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • FYI: Huff Post by this guy [17] Alanscottwalker ( talk) 20:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per long-standing precendent. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES: "2. Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools have historically been kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists." "Editors should not flood AFD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations." -- David Tornheim ( talk) 21:54, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. That Wikipedia gives free advertising space to private businesses simply because the business operates a school astonishes me. Simply existing is not enough to demonstrate notability. No newspapers or books seem to have deemed the school notable enough to write about it, indicating that it is not, in fact, notable. Pburka ( talk) 16:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I find it disappointing to see experienced editors are continuing to claim that there is consensus to keep secondary schools just because they exist -- which was explicitly rejected at the recent RfC. Cherry picking just the RfC's statement that "Editors should not flood AFD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations" is absurd. That's not a keep argument; it's a behavioral argument. If someone is "flooding AfD", take them to ANI. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Dennis Brown - 22:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The subject fails WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. This article (and many like it) serve as promotional pieces for the schools as no independent critical coverage of the subject exists. Because WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES can no longer be used as a rationale at AfD, this article has no quality to prevent deletion. Chris Troutman ( talk) 16:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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@ Doncram: So why make an argument (even if you believe in it) that the consensus has refused? Chris Troutman ( talk) 21:21, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • One way to put it is that there was a bad decision reached, perhaps a wp:LOCALCONSENSUS, a temporary result that should be disregarded. A consensus to "Keep" at a number of AFDs since the RFC proves its supposed consensus is flawed. In general it is a stupid waste of time to have AFDs about secondary schools. It is American- and British-centric and evil in various other ways to delete the articles. You and I and most other longtime Wikipedia editors probably edited our own high school articles when we started. The articles should be kept. -- do ncr am 21:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • So you know, being a ten-year editor does not give you the right to ignore consensus. That editors like you have been !voting against that decision does not make it flawed, only poorly-enforced. That you think deletion is "evil in various other ways" is illuminating. Chris Troutman ( talk) 21:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
totally agree with Chris troutman. LibStar ( talk) 00:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
You and I and most other longtime Wikipedia editors probably edited our own high school articles when we started ridiculous argument. LibStar ( talk) 01:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete given the recent RFC on WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, there is no longer inherent notability of secondary schools. as it stands it fails WP:GNG. if someone finds significant third party coverage in Korean I will happily reconsider. LibStar ( talk) 01:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. The RFC couldn't be more clear on the matter regarding WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES: this sort of circular argument is to be avoided. Unless Korean reliable sources can be found, this fails GNG. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 13:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (per DEL8) as the school doesn't appear to have received the significant, independent attention from reliable sources that is required by the recently-reaffirmed notability standard. See NSCHOOLS; 2017 RFC on Schools. Rebb ing 16:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as the Delete arguments are entirely on "I don't like it" which is not a policy argument; we still maintain that such articles can be acceptable and we always have so, and this is no different. We have never put "Schools must be deleted" in policy and the votes here have no basis for that, thus not relevant> These subjects are not one to maintain such coverage but, like with deleting YouTubers, ridiculous arguments as "But his sources suffice" are absolutely no different how we stick a "Needs better sourcing" argument here at all. Also,

politically speaking, no one has attempted to actually search locally thus committing systematic bias something that has in fact been maintained as unacceptable for AfD. SwisterTwister talk 05:12, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply

have you attempted to search locally? The onus is on keep !voters to provide evidence of significant coverage. If you do I will reconsider my !vote. LibStar ( talk) 18:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, as a high school. Redirect is the official policy for such articles, not outright deletion. I mistakenly thought this was a non notable middle school.And BTW, the cited RfC was not about OUTCOMES - anyone who suggests it was should read the proposal again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)Updated: Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:NSCHOOL Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 20:22, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This is a high school, not a middle school and we normally keep them. The rather self-contradictory decision on SCHOOLOUTCOMES was that there was no consensus to consider it a guideline, but that there also was no consensus to do anything other than what it said, which is to keep all high school with a real existence. Cris, you've made several of these nomination. I suggest you go back and read the closing statement in full. It does not say what you think it does. . (And in any case, we certainly do have the right to ignore any guideline there is consensus to ignore, and anyone may so argue. The basic policy is WP:IAR, which can override any guideline, and is. as it says it is, the fundamental rule here. If there were a guideline to delete, as there isn't. it would be perfectly legitimate to deal with any special case by IAR. the entire Notability guideline page even more than most guidelines, says the rules are only the usual course, not the invariable course. To be fair, similarly, if there were an establish guideline to keep, we could still delete if there were consensus to make an exception. Kudpung, did you think it was a middle school? That's what the first line says, but reading further show that it started that way, but has developed into a K-12 school. Additionally, proper searching would probably find adequate sources, but I doubt they'd be in English. DGG ( talk ) 01:44, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Additionally, proper searching would probably find adequate sources. Sounds like WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar ( talk) 16:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as failing WP:GNG. One would expect to find more coverage of an English-language international school in English-language sources if it were notable, but I'm open to revising my opinion if significant coverage in Korean-language sources is subsequently found. Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I'velooked at a goodnumber over the years. Sources have always existed only in their own country and in the country of the sponsor. This particular one is originally sponsored by a Japanese companyfor thechildren of its employees. DGG ( talk ) 23:23, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
again WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar ( talk) 23:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per long-standing precendent. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES: "2. Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools have historically been kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists." "Editors should not flood AFD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations." -- David Tornheim ( talk) 21:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:40, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Camtek Intelligent Imaging

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Seems like WP:SOAP to me. Being on the NASDAQ doesn't automatically give you the necessary publicity to pass WP:GNG. Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 22:23, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete unless better sources founded. Not enough notable sources. Knox490 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:20, 14 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - plenty of sources in Hebrew קמטק ( [18]) and in English ( [19]) cover Camtek. This has been a public company for a very long time and received significant coverage from the Israeli press (including pre-listing in Israel, as its parent company פריורטק was listed and is essentially the same (mostly holds Camtek) - and some coverage from foreign press. The 3D printing line (which failed and was closed down) received coverage as part of the hype, but coverage extands more than a decade. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Just being listed in not enough, unless its on the NYSE main board or a comparable exchange. At least the English language references are either just notices or PR reports or stock analysts' rating. DGG ( talk ) 00:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep per plentiful, persuasive sources:
  • "Brown Shoe, Camtek: Biggest Price Gainers (BWS, CAMT)" Aug. 26, 2011. "Camtek Ltd. CAMT 2.44% topped the list of Biggest Percentage Price Gainers among common stocks on the Nasdaq Stock Market." WSJ [20].
  • " Camtek Receives First Conditional Order for 3D Inkjet System" Feb 2nd, 2015 [21] [[Jewish Business News]
  • It is certainly large enough to pay its execs handsomely "100 Israeli execs earned over NIS 3m in 2015" 23 March 2016 Globes [22]
  • More coverage in Globes: [23]
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  • Delete Fails WP:CORPDEPTH and GNG. Routine coverage such as comments on its stock price or PR announcements are not sufficient to establish notability. Pointing to Google search results doesn't convince me either. -- HighKing ++ 14:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- nothing encyclopedically relevant here; just a directory listing. An unremarkable private company going about its business; revenues of under $100M are hardly remarkable. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:32, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Most of links I found are results of PR. No independant coverage. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 11:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No claim to notability. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:27, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: A WP:SPA article on a firm and its platform proposition. The article text does not indicate notability as a firm (10 employees) or a platform (500 registered users). Setting aside similarly named firms elsewhere, I am not seeing evidence of attained notability, whether as a company or a product. AllyD ( talk) 06:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Little in the way of coverage to substantiate notability. -- Whats new? (talk) 23:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • delete blatant advert created by a single purpose editor. LibStar ( talk) 02:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. Pure WP:PROMO. -- HighKing ++ 16:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Agree with above reasoning. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:39, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Does not satisfy WP:NMUSIC. The artist is not signed to a major record label, he has no charting singles or albums, he has not been nominated for a major music award, etc. There is one source, but it's a single article from a tabloid style website; definitely not enough for WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Existence does not equal notability. References are promotional, download sites and/or self-generated, and do not indicate any kind of third party coverage or press that is beyond promotional effort (note the source HipHopDX exists partially as a platform for promotion, see their guidelines: http://hiphopdx.com/contactus.) Perhaps someday this subject can show evidence of success that can be considered encyclopedic worthy, but for now, at best, this is a case of WP:TOO SOON. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 15:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete. It's a good cause, but Wikipedia isn't a host for essays advocating causes. Acroterion (talk) 03:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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It's an essay. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. As yet unelected candidates for political office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates, per WP:NPOL — if you cannot demonstrate and properly source that he was already notable enough for an article for some other reason independent of his candidacy, then the mere fact of being a candidate is not enough in and of itself. For added bonus, this is written very much more like a campaign brochure than an encyclopedia article, and the only reference that's actually present in the article is a press release from his own campaign staff. But even an actual incumbent officeholder who does clear NPOL still doesn't get to source the article that way. Bearcat ( talk) 02:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as not meeting relevent requirements. If no actual sourcing on page, susceptible to BLPProD. First read inclines me to tag for WP:CSD#G11. Bearcat makes salient points. I did not see the sourcing Bearcat mentions. Dloh cierekim 17:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
There appears to have been a point, between my comment and now, when the reference that is present in the article briefly disappeared due to a formatting error, but that got corrected and it's visible again (there are also two other reference tags being called at various places in the article, but empty ones that don't actually cite an actual reference for anything.) But the one visible reference is still a press release from his own campaign, not independent coverage verifying anything that would count as a notability claim at all. Bearcat ( talk) 19:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Even if Cammarano is elected to the judgeship he seeks, it is unclear that that would make him notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 07:23, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Dennis Brown - 22:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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NN hockey player, overwhelmingly fails WP:NHOCKEY, the creation of an editor with numerous such articles up at AfD. The fellow's a practice rink employee (according to the ref) who sat on the bench for a game as an emergency goalie but didn't see action. No sources that don't run afoul of WP:ONEEVENT, and guys like this come a few times each season ... completely ephemerally. Ravenswing 19:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: Fulfills WP:NHOCKEY: "Played one or more games in an existing or defunct top professional league." Hurrygane ( talk) 19:42, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Which, in point, he has not. It's long been established -- both by NHL rules and by WP precedent in such cases -- that if you don't take the ice during a game, you don't play, and you're not credited with having played. Ravenswing 00:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Fails for two reasons. 1) Ravenswing wrote: '"NN hockey player, overwhelmingly fails WP:NHOCKEY, the creation of an editor with numerous such articles up at AfD. The fellow's a practice rink employee (according to the ref) who sat on the bench for a game as an emergency goalie but didn't see action. No sources that don't run afoul of WP:ONEEVENT, and guys like this come a few times each season ... completely ephemerally." 2) Ravenswing also pointed out: "It's long been established -- both by NHL rules and by WP precedent in such cases -- that if you don't take the ice during a game, you don't play, and you're not credited with having played." So there is no possible way this guy is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article at this time. Dean Esmay ( talk) 03:11, 15 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep While it is true that there are a few guys like this every year, his coverage has gone beyond the norm: here, [25], and you can order his jersey which has sold well. It should be noted that someone who appeared for two different teams ( philadelphia as well) in one season can hardly be summed up by WP:ONEEVENT. 18abruce ( talk) 09:38, 15 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I'd dispute that his coverage has gone beyond the norm. How so? Zero news hits in the last fortnight. Ravenswing 23:44, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Well, he was included in the Topps trading card set. As this article points out it is an unusual situation and amount of attention given to an emergency backup. And again, maybe I am reading this ONEEVENT thing wrong, but does this mean that he applies to ONEEVENT twice? 18abruce ( talk) 09:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I can't really decide on this one whether ONEEVENT applies. During his call up with the Flyers as an emergency, they did try to get him on the ice at the very end of the game. However, he was called back to the bench by the refs because, officially, the emergency goalie can only play if all goaltenders are injured. So he would have had ice time had the rules not disallowed it. He did receive a fair amount of coverage for it, but they are borderline routine as "odd news". Yosemiter ( talk) 20:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Definitely a WP:ONEEVENT situation and since he didn't take the ice he doesn't meet WP:NHOCKEY. - DJSasso ( talk) 17:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - He got coverage for his day an emergency goalie for the Blackhawks, e.g., [26] [27], although that would be WP:ONEEVENT. But then he got coverage for getting an official Topps Hockey card [28], which puts him beyond a typical ONEEVENT hockey situation, although arguably ONEEVENT still applies since the hockey card was related to the day as an emergency goalie for the Blackhawks. But then he got more coverage for his day as an emergency goalie for the Flyers in April [29] [30] which was definitely a separate event from his Blackhawks event. And getting significant coverage for two events is more than one event so WP:ONEEVENT does not apply in this case ( Wikipedia:BLP2E, admittedly an essay not a guideline but relevant here). Rlendog ( talk) 22:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete. NHOKEY is still inferior to GNG, and it acknowledges it: "Q: If a sports figure meets the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean he/she does not have to meet the general notability guideline? A: No, the subject must still eventually meet the general notability guideline". The one-paragraph news like [31] or [32] don't, imho, constitute significant coverage. PS. Notability ~ importance. Nothing in those sources suggests he is important, those sources are pretty much as close as you can get to footnote coverage in the sport media. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:37, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Instagram. North America 1000 02:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Perhaps should be merged with Instagram. Doesn't seem to warrant separate article. bojo | talk 14:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete per G7, author blanked page RickinBaltimore ( talk) 13:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. I am unable to find any reliable sources on this product, besides the one already in the article. Searching for JovianDSS and JupiterDSS (its old name) bring up no possible sources. There are no possible redirect targets because the developer's article has also been deleted. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 11:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Keep it: The Software Solution is real and the last links added show information related to the Company. User:crys123 —Preceding undated comment added 01:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

@ Crys123: None of the sources in the article show why the topic is notable. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 02:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Nominator, having written WP:NRODEO, presumably knows what they are about. ♠ PMC(talk) 03:59, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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First AfD was not reviewed by members of Wikiproject Equine. This individual is completely non-notable... NRODEO is a guide, not a policy that trumps GNG. Montanabw (talk) 00:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete if she'd won the NFR, she'd be notable, but she just qualified, which a lot of people do. It's like competing on America's Got Talent versus winning the million dollars. White Arabian Filly Neigh 21:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Individual is non-notable. I am also from wiki project equine and knowledgeable about rodeo. One qualification for the NFR is non-notable in this case. NRODEO does not make notable here. If she was notable, perhaps the article would not be a few sentence stub. There are not enough sources or achievements. GNG is not met and trying to twist the definition does not make it so. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:06, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep She meets WP:NRODEO. While it is correct that it does not trump GNG, it is a guideline that creates a presumption. Therefore we presume sources exist unless given a valid reason otherwise. Her qualification was 9 years ago. Online, that is a long time. A Google search for "2008 National Finals Rodeo" and "2008 NFR" yields only about 3,500 collective results results while a search for "2016 National Finals Rodeo" and "2016 NFR" collectively yields about 25,000 collective results. I think the presumption is not just the coverage received by competing at the NFR, but the results that got a cowboy/cowgirl there (e.g., the rodeos they won that season and the coverage in newspapers and the like that those wins produced). Is anyone really going to go to the medium-sized town newspaper archives from a decade ago to determine if there is coverage? No. If this were for a 2015 or 2016 qualifier, I would think a show cause would be fair. But due to the age of this subjects top athletic prime, I think we need to have the presumption carry weight. And as a reminder, the community of editors came up with the guideline to give the presumption - the stance that this is on par to competing on America's Got Talent and only winners are notable goes directly against what the editors established as the guideline. GNG does trump, but when GNG is not able to be reasonable assessed, as is the case here, then we should follow the wishes of the community of editors and keep. RonSigPi ( talk) 23:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment After my comment above, I decided to research this a bit further. Rodeo season runs Oct-Sept with the exception of the NFR in Dec. Winning the Caldwell Nights Rodeo produced this result that is in the article [33]. I think that is a quality source. So I checked the rodeo association archives to see what else she won the year she qualifier for the NFR:
  • Texas Circuit Finals [34]
  • Mesquite, TX [35]
  • Stephenville, TX [36]
  • Pecos, TX [37]
  • Window Rock, AZ [38]
  • Rock Springs, WY [39]
  • Abilene, KS [40]
  • Bakersfield, CA [41]
  • San Bernardino, CA [42]
So there were a total of ten wins that season (counting Caldwell). If Caldwell produced the result that we can find, I think we can presume at least some of these other rodeos would produce similar results if someone whet through the local newspaper archives. Also, the Texas Circuit Finals and the Window Rock, AZ rodeo had prize funds similar to Caldwell, so if nothing else we can be confident that three sources exist - one for each of those rodeos. We have the presumption and the facts line up that the sources exist. RonSigPi ( talk) 02:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: RonSigPi, Guess what? I wrote much of what is now at NRODEO, shepherded through the changes, and I am quite familiar with the topic of rodeo. I actually am generally an inclusionist, but I really didn't see significant coverage here when I did my WP:BEFORE. Here's what we have:
  1. She qualified for the NFR once, nine years ago, and placed 10th. She's done nothing since.
  2. While I agree that this source fits the standard of "significant coverage in a third-party source independent of the subject", that's not quite enough, standing alone. You may want to read WP:HEY because, bottom line, the article in its present state is not going to cut it. If she had been covered -- say, articles like "favored person's horse tripped and she came in 10th, what a tragedy", that might be coverage sufficient to convey notability. Or, if she has articles profiling her in a "Barrel Racing News" magazine, that would help too. Or if she'd qualified 5 years in a row -- or ... something more!
  3. Unfortunately, "We can probably find sources somewhere, someday, and until then, we keep" is, sad to say, not what works at AfD, at least for people in the modern age (for a pre-google age person who was famous in, say, the 1960s, one or two articles plus stats might cut it, but not in the 2000s).
  4. While the NSPORTS "qualifying for the highest national-level event" is a well-known standard across multiple sports, GNG still must be met. WP:N is policy; NRODEO is a guideline--it explains to the uninitiated editor which rodeos are considered the nationally significant ones.
  5. For notability, passing mentions in statistics charts don't cut it. The wnba stats verify information, but they do not, even collectively, get you to "Significant coverage" -- which "is more than a trivial mention". (per GNG: "more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material")
  6. Compare to her father's article that you worked on, note I did NOT AfD it, because though it is a poor-quality stub, his accomplishments qualify, and there is enough evidence that there is more coverage to be found.
  7. WP:GNG states, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." Note the "if". So the burden is on you to find the actual source material -- the number of qualifying wins are irrelevant, the issue is if these wins got enough coverage to warrant a stand-alone article per GNG: ""Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject should be included." -- discussion may prove otherwise.
  8. There are few hits for Fryar -- the only thing I found at WP:BEFORE that is more that a stats sheet is this commercial endorsement that is, at best, pretty weak. When you search "Wrangler NFR" and "Stephanie Fryar" and Barrel racing (which I needed to do to filter out all the other people named Stephanie Fryar), I got 188 hits, most of which were lists of stats. Now if you want to check my search results and see if you have significant coverage , go for it. My mind can be changed if you find more sources like the Caldwell news piece, but so far, I'm not convinced. Montanabw (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was No consensus. ( non-admin closure) Jax 0677 ( talk) 19:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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While tragic, this particular individual doesn't meet WP:GNG, a case of WP:BIO1E. Onel5969 TT me 01:47, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. Has multiple sources from major news outlets. For example: These news outlets: Pakistan Today, The Nation and The Express Tribune. Amnesty International reported on this matter. Excellent story element in terms of article. Justice was fought for hard and very dramatically. Article indicates: "Hakimzadi and Zaibunissa, had to set themselves on fire in order to get authorities to take up their brothers cases", Knox490 ( talk) 02:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment - all of which deal with a single issue, hence WP:BIO1E. Onel5969 TT me 02:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - the press coverage is on the incident, not on the subject. The incident doesn't makes the subject notable enough to warrant an entry on Wikipedia. Mai Jindo clearly fails to meet basic notability guidelines. -- Saqib ( talk) 13:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Knox490. Mar4d ( talk) 13:18, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment - and still does not address the WP:BIO1E issue. Onel5969 TT me 03:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Seems to pass WP:GNG. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 04:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet WP:ENT and it is WP:TOOSOON, her role in Chaika, Isuca, Maken-ki are all supporting or minor characters. Maybe one major role in Date A Live II, but that's about it. AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 03:22, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. She has a decent work history and in the external link section I saw that she is listed in the Anime News Network which is a major news website for anime. I just found a IMDB page for her which I will add to the article in the external link section. Knox490 ( talk) 04:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
IMDb is not a reliable source. Boomer Vial Holla! We gonna ball! 05:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Her roles apparently are mainly supporting (I'm not sure, the only show of hers that I've actually watched so far is Date A Live), but given that those roles include roles in anime where she is among the show's theme song singers, perhaps those roles aren't as minor as you think. She also performed the opening theme for Triage X; although the single charted poorly (peaked at #92 on the weeklies), it did receive some coverage, such as this. Admittedly, coverage for her isn't spectacular (some sources include this, as well as this interview with her and a fellow voice actress), but there does appear to be just enough coverage, and enough roles, to establish notability. If consensus determines that she is not notable, I would suggest a redirect to Date A Live. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 13:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Is there something besides Date A Live that the person is notable for? I see only one single ranked at #111 in Oricon [43] and no albums [44]. This wouldn't be enough to keep. AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 16:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
How about Sky Wizards Academy? She's listed eighth out of eight among the main characters? Is that enough? AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 16:34, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Passing WP:ENTERTAINER is somewhat questionable due to a lack of main roles (I'd say maybe she passes it, but barely). But it seems she does clearly pass WP:GNG for the coverage she's received in Japanese sources. Then Natalie and Animate Times hits seem promising. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 00:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. postdlf ( talk) 00:55, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Orphan article, just a few random cherry picked incidents. No other university has its own "affirmative action" subpage, which has me convinced that this is some kind of point-making exercise. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 04:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. I agree with Ten Pound Hammer. I think there should be consistency across university article subpages. Maybe there is some reference source which rates how well colleges/universities uphold their affirmative action obligations and this could be cited in the university articles themselves if they substantially deviate from the norm. Knox490 ( talk) 04:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • I don't find part of this argument to be at all compelling: no other university has its own affirmative action article so this shouldn't. It's WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST. There may well be a case to be made against this article, but I'm not going to support deletion based on "consistency across university article subpages." Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 10:43, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: I just wanted to drop a note that this is part of a school assignment, so if this is deleted and the teacher needs it for grading, can this be returned to the userspace? Also, is it possible that this could be merged into its own subsection in the main article for the school? It's mentioned there, but there's enough here to where this could probably justify its own subsection at least. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 05:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Thanks for your work. Sorry to see your hard work treated this way. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 03:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Ditto. I have expressed concerns about the nominator's behaviour and grasp of policy at Afds past -- but I won't revisit them here. We shall see what we shall see: the matter is far from settled. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I could find plenty of sources on any random topic. Just because you find several instances of something happening, does not mean that the "happening" is notable. This is just randomly cherry picked. It's an example farm. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 05:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I don't understand how that is relevant to the application of our notability requirement here. If the subject has multiple independent secondary sources, then it generally meets our notability standard. Are you suggesting we change that standard? If so, probably better to raise that at WP:GNG rather than here. If you believe it does not meet the notability standards, please state exactly how it fails, rather than make up your own standard. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 05:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Grutter v. Bollinger, Gratz v. Bollinger and Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action are notable cases that have had articles on them for some time. The article creator has incorporated them into a referenced article that discusses the school's history with affirmative action within a larger context, particularly the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative, which bans affirmative action in the state. The clash between affirmative action at one of the country's leading universities and the state measure's prohibition of same is vitally important, notable, and referenced. So this is not a "random topic" being explored. Something socially and historically important is happening in Michigan and it's right and proper to have an article on it, if it meets WP:N + V, which it does. Keep. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:48, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep It is notable per WP:GNG - UMichigan's affirmative action program is covered extensively in secondary sources because of the legal history. These cases are major landmark United States Supreme Court cases. They are referred to as The Michigan Affirmative Action Cases in peer reviewed journals. It is hard to overstate the importance of Grutter and Gratz - I ran a search for Grutter in HeinOnline and got 6,059 hits. I think it may seem random for those who aren't familiar with American constitutional law but Grutter is not cherry picking, establishing diversity as a compelling interest in affirmative action cases was huge Seraphim System ( talk) 01:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete If anything maybe a mention in the University of Michigan article as to affirmative action at UM- but doesn't warrant having it's own subpage. Cllgbksr ( talk) 13:17, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I had essentially the same thought as Seraphim--even if most schools' affirmative action programs don't warrant articles, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have pages for the ones that have attracted such significant legal action and secondary source commentary. One could easily make a very worthwhile encyclopedia page for the University of Texas's affirmative action program, along the same lines. Passes GNG and the spirit behind it at WP:WHYN: we have plenty of sources to write a substantial, balanced encyclopedia entry. (It shouldn't need saying but keep in mind too that notability inheres in the topic, not the entry: if we even began to list all the journal articles relevant to this entry, we'd truly drown in citations. Whether or not they've yet been added to the entry doesn't bear on AfD.) Innisfree987 ( talk) 00:11, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. apparent consensus DGG ( talk ) 01:57, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Thomas London (author)

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This is an author who appears to have produced only self-published works. Admittedly one of those works has received notable attention, and he produced a film that premiered at a notable indie film event, but I am not seeing WP:NAUTHOR criteria being met. Still WP:TOOSOON. Because notability is not inherited, a notable book does not automatically confer notability on its author. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 05:27, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: I have removed the IMDB reference and added valid references to this page [1] which show that the film referenced screened at more than one festival (Arpa). The film also appears to show at Valley film festival [2], and at Cannes film festival [3]. The creation of multiple notable works should make this author notable Victory1996 ( talk) 07:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC) Victory1996 ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

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You don't seem to understand the deletion rationale above. The fact that his short film has been merely screened anywhere does not make him notable. Exactly what part of WP:NAUTHOR does this person meet? Exactly where is the significant coverage of this person (not one or two of his works) in reliable independent sources? ~ Anachronist ( talk) 07:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete WP:NOTSOAPBOX and also delete his novel Splintered: A Political Fairy Tale (novel). A book needs a minimum of 3 reviews to merit a page based on review alone, and I'm not at all sure Pub Weekly and Kirkus count. this book, however, although published in 2015 - which should have made it easy to search for, appears to have sunk with barely a ripple. His indy film got into a couple of film festivals, but there appears to have been no coverage of either the film or the book. Here's a google search on the book title: [45], on the film title: Rain + "Thomas London" [46], and a gNews search on "Thomas London" [47]. We should delete him and his book. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 17:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Oh, gosh, just noticed that I had run a quick search and quick opinon on this last week. Had forgottenthat completely when I spotted it today while looking at the list of Author-related deletions. I stand behind both of my opinions, but I guess I'll s the shorter one. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:00, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. North America 1000 03:17, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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A self-published chart, which does not contain any third party notability, nor does it contain any concrete methodology. I tried to search somewhere reliable where SloTop50 is mentioned, turns out that even the IFPI does not recognize it. — IB [ Poke ] 05:29, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Before declaring my preference I'd like to point out there are five lists of SloTop50 singles from years 2013-2017 plus a template (below). Should these be including in this debate as well? Ajf773 ( talk) 10:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The methodology is clear for me, as it is an airplay chart, it just counts all the songs played on the monitored radio stations. Having the SAZAS backing the chart is more than many charts here on en-WP are able to. And I found some reception of the chart, but only domestic newspapers. It doesn't look like the chart is well-known outside of the country... [48], [49], [50], [51], [52]
My proposal: keep the chart, but move it to Slo Top 50 as this one is more recognized, as is seems. -- Ali1610 ( talk) 12:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. The article needs a merciless cleanup, and especially requires someone to insert its single best argument for notability -- the XXL reference pointed out by DA1. But first and foremost the article needs to be moved from its patently ridiculous name to something more appropriate per WP:MOS. I may do that myself after finishing the close. A Train talk 11:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

The Worlds Freshest (Dj.Fresh)

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. The article uses self-published sources and blogs to support notability. Reliable secondary sources make trivial mention to the musician, and a search online for secondary sources brought back more trivial mention. I have been unable to confirm the claim that Miracle & Nightmare on 10th Street ever charted. Magnolia677 ( talk) 13:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Keep On a very quick online search on the artist I was able to find 3 sources [53], [54], [55] that meet WP:MUSICBIO #1. Though the current article is not well sourced—probably due to inexperience from the author—I don't feel there was enough research before requesting its deletion: it could still be worked upon Wapunguissa ( talk) 15:02, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
The first two sources you listed are interviews, which are considered primary sources. WP:GNG states that sources should be secondary. Magnolia677 ( talk) 17:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Keep The article needs some work, a lot of cleanup, but the subject is 'notable' enough. He was recently included on XXL magazine's 30 of the Best Hip-Hop Producers of 2016 [56], should be noted. – DA1 ( talk) 04:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply


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  • Comment WP:NMUSIC #1 criteria I cited earlier says "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." It refers "independent" in the sense of "The published works must be someone else writing about the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist, or their works." On the links I gave The Fader, and Noisey are independed publications, and they found the subject notable enough to write about him and interview him. They are not self-released they are top music publications. The fact that those are interviews and thus "primary source" is another issue. Wikipedia:Interviews says interviews may countain both primary and secondary sources. Secondary sources is when the interviewer talks about the artist, and both "interviews" do have a small introduction where they do. The third article—which was not contested—is by XXL (magazine) which is on of the main hip-hop publications in the US---one of the main publications in the subject's field finds him notable enough to write about him: I still defend keep Wapunguissa ( talk) 22:59, 23 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. If anyone wishes to merge any of this content to the Boka article, please advise and I will retrieve it. ♠ PMC(talk) 04:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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A promotional article about a chef, by an obvious WP:COI WP:SPA, Shelbeyboka ( talk · contribs). The subject is conceivably notable, and some content might end up at Boka (restaurant), but any article should be (re-)written by a non-COI editor in a non-promotional tone.  Sandstein  15:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge to Boka (restaurant), which is notable. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 04:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. and do not merge. According to the article on the restaurant, its notability isbased on the work of another chef, their Executive Chef Lee Wolen, about whom we might need an article. Bohm was just one of the founders, and not otherwise important. DGG ( talk ) 01:56, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Dennis Brown - 22:24, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Likely a WP:HOAX. No reliable sources to indicate that Spacetoon has a branch / subsidiary in India. The website listed on this page does not exist. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 11:43, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

This also needs to be deleted. List of programs broadcast by Spacetoon (Pakistan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shinnosukeandme ( talkcontribs) 11:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: I don't think the article is a hoax, e.g., Business Standard has covered a channel named "Spacetoon Kids TV". I can't comment on its notability though. — Stringy Acid ( talk) 20:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC) reply
That article is about the Indian version, not the supposed Pakistani version. Nothing about an Pakistani version can be found on the internet except in this article.-- Shinnosukeandme ( talk) 05:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Both – Spacetoon India is not a hoax, and no rationale for deletion has been provided for the List of programs broadcast by Spacetoon (Pakistan) article, other than a subjective notion that it "needs to be deleted". Spacetoon India meets WP:CORPDEPTH. See source examples below. Also, it is possible that this company is not affiliated with Spacetoon, and exists as a standalone company. I added citation needed templates in the article accordingly and renamed the article to Spacetoon India. I also added a comment on the article's talk page regarding this matter. North America 1000 03:33, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
List of programs broadcast by Spacetoon (Pakistan) doesn't have any references at all. Besides that, there's no references that Spacetoon Pakistan even exists. If you read your references you will see that nowhere it's being referred to as TV channel but just as a licensing company.-- Shinnosukeandme ( talk) 04:02, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Article was created by a hoaxer who was blocked right off (the behavior of edit summaries featuring only the page title in question has quickly become a hoaxer trademark). It's too poorly written, the network has no .in website (there's this site, but it looks like it dates back to 2011 and might only be a 'proof of concept' site) and all three sources listed by NA1000 aren't neutral, but are likely paid stories. I don't believe this channel exists and we're just being spun in circles by an IP hoaxer. At minimum this article needs a complete WP:TNT from a trusted editor if the network is indeed real, but this is likely yet another 'invented network' from India. Nate ( chatter) 04:44, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep both as there is obviously WP:RS for Spacetoon India, and per arguments by Northamerica1000. Please don't file frivolous WP:AfD proposals that clearly have WP:RS. Please do you due diligence. A simple Google search of Spacetoon India gives the Business Standard article and Bloomberg mentions it here. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Beware of Darkness (band). Kurykh ( talk) 03:29, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Beware of Darkness discography

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Discography page is under 5kB, and artist page is just over 11 kB, which are not prohibitive lengths per WP:SIZE nor MOS:DISCOGRAPHY. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 12:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Reply - @ Michig:, I tried to {{ PROD}} the article, however, that got reverted, stating "The information on this page is needed because the discography section on the band's article is for studio albums only". Without a record of decision, my merge could easily be reverted before the article and its discography grow sufficiently. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 17:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 05:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Extreme performance art

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Article has no citations, and is a subjective "sub-category" of Performance art listing artists that have not made major contributions to the genre. Netherzone ( talk) 00:49, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - recall that notability depends on the existence of sources, not what's in the article. The subject is covered in reliable sources such as Newsweek at some length. It seems to be quite something in Contemporary China, also covered in HuffPost, and in Russia. Not to everybody's taste but definitely notable. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 13:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: I have very little interest in art, but could tell you what extreme performance art was without having to look at the page. That and the popular press sources I've found make me convinced of its WP:Notability. My gut instinct is that its own article is warranted rather than attempting to merge with performance art, though a discussion could be had. If kept it does need to be better integrated into Wikipedia; it is not, for example, featured in the relevant Navboxes. PriceDL ( talk) 00:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep – Meets GNG, perhaps on a somewhat weaker level, per a source review and my own online searches. I have added references and citations to the article. North America 1000 03:47, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:38, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Diogenis D. Valavanidis

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I found no significant coverage and the three organizations that he is a part of have no articles. SL93 ( talk) 01:01, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: GNews actually showed nothing meaningful to add failing GNG and BIO. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 01:21, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Borderline keep. He has received decent coverage in Serbian mainstream press for his activities on Serbian and Greek cultural heritage:
    • "Diogenis Valavanidis receives Order of the Serbian Orthodox Church". Serbian Orthodox Church. 26 September 2013.
    • "Neobični Beograđani: Grk u potrazi za svetinjama". Večernje Novosti. 23 November 2013.
    • "Nasilje je postalo jače od istorije" [Violence became stronger than history]. Svedok. 7 February 2017.
    • "Otvoren novi muzej Akropolja" [New Acropolis Museum Opens]. Politika. 20 June 2009. (only brief statement of his)
That being said, there is not much more than that in the mainstream press, other than occasional mention or statement by his. He seems to be currently a secretary of the Serbian embassy in Hungary [57], so he receives some coverage for activities there [58]. No such user ( talk) 14:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:25, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Nebojša Todorović

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Apparently fails WP:NACADEMIC. PROD removed w/o comment. — swpb T 13:26, 16 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: The PROD wasn't exactly removed without comment – the editor who removed it suggested we expand the article by translating from Serbian Wikipedia. The Serbian article appears to be completely unreferenced, though, so I don't think that would help in establishing notability. It would be good to get the opinion of someone who can read Serbian. -- Deskford ( talk) 14:02, 16 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Do NOT delete. The article is improved and will be additionally improved in the following days. Andrija ( talk) 13:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I am a native speaker of Serbo-Croatian, and was able to check the sources. I don't see anything particularly outstanding in the subject's biography that would suggest passing of WP:NACADEMIC. Yeah, Todorović is/was a professor of musicology on a couple of musical faculties and high schools in south Serbia, presided or was an advisor on a number of minor festivals or local cultural institutions, and wrote a musical critic here and there. pretty much par for a course of a typical academic career. Sourcing in the article is barrel-scraping, with multiple sources repeated, and multiple passing mentions listed. I'm particularly unimpressed with the subject's written bibliography on his official curriculum page [59], which consists of one monograph from 1981 and one work on Mozart's sonatas from 2007. That's pretty little output for a one of the leading musicologists and music theorists in Serbia. No such user ( talk) 10:24, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Let me try to clarify some things:

“one of the leading musicologists and music theorist in Serbia” was a quotation from an independent source.

Todorović has taught at two universities in Serbia, of five that currently offer education in the field of music, and presented lectures at conferences organized by additional two universities.

Niš is the second largest city in Serbia [60], with the university, electronic industry, airport, symphony orchestra, youth philharmonic orchestra, etc., and several festivals, including the international choir festival of which Todorović was an artistic director and selector.That choir festival has a long tradition and is well known in Serbia (and not only in Serbia); as it was mentioned in one of the sources, last year it was reviewed by three well-known musicologists from Belgrade, including those from the national radio station Radio Belgrade. It is not a minor festival. Festivals in Leskovac and Vranje maybe don’t have such a long tradition, but are well organized and attract high quality participants, what can be easily verified any musician who reads their programs. We shouldn’t judge the quality of some institution or manifestation by its location, but by the quality of people included in it. There’s no reason to underestimate those in south Serbia. (And just to emphasize that I don’t live in those towns, nor am I affiliated with those festivals in any way.) Serbia is too small country to have some significant differences between its regions.

It is normal that somebody who lives and works in south Serbia (south-eastern actually) focuses his activities in that area, but Todorović had activities in other parts of Serbia as well. Invitations to give public lectures on the national radio station in Belgrade, to review a book published in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, present a scientific paper in the Serbian Republic, review a festival in Montenegro and publish reviews in their major newspaper certainly suggest his notability in the region.

As for his CV at the University of Niš’s website (published in 2013 and obviously not updated): in contrast to some Western countries, in Serbia Commission for Accreditation and Quality Assurance doesn’t require or allow professors to write their complete CV as a part of documentation reviewed in the process of accreditation. In order to prove his/her competency to teach certain subject(s), one has to list “at least five, not more than ten” most important publications/concerts/exhibitions…, depending on the scientific/artistic area, so, only examples, as Todorović probably did. And those works mentioned in his CV, presented at the scientific conferences organized by the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts (SANU) in Belgrade – the highest scientific and artistic institution in the country, or by Matica srpska in Novi Sad, almost equally important institution in north Serbia, are without doubt significant; Mokranjčevi dani (The Days of Mokranjac) in Negotin is a manifestation with a long tradition, attended by numerous musicologists and performers.

Complete CV with bibliography and proofs is submitted only when one applies for a position at the university. The complete documentation is then reviewed by at least three professors from the same scientific/artistic area, from different universities, in the same or higher rank than those for which a candidate applies. I don’t know who reviewed Todorovic’s work, but they all had to be full professors of Musicology or Music theory, probably from the Faculty of Musical Arts in Belgrade and to give positive review and recommendation for his appointment into the rank of full professor. I suppose that they wouldn’t give such recommendation if they weren’t sure that he was qualified for that position and academic rank. Andrija ( talk) 10:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Nobody here is saying that Todorović is not qualified for his position. However, just being a full professor of a university is not a sufficient achievement to earn him a Wikipedia article – WP:NACADEMIC bar is much higher than that, requiring research [of] significant impact; a highly prestigious academic award, or similar, and in the case of Todorović I just don't see it. Writing several papers for journal and conferences, and a textbook or a monograph is pretty par for the course for a full professor, and I don't see any "significant impact" there, even considering the full list at Serbian Wikipedia. Festivals such as Mokranjac Days in Negotin or Choir Festival in Niš (where he participated only as an art director, not as a founder or something), regardless of tradition, in my book qualify as "minor", as they are of regional importance and hardly world-rank events. And such activities (jurist or art director of a festival, writer of an occasional critic) are certainly expected for someone on a high academic position. No such user ( talk) 11:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: WP:ACADEMIC is a supplement to WP:GNG, not something that supercedes it. GNG is met, and notability established. There's a fair bit of puffery in style that requires copyediting, but these folks in the Liberal Arts fields are not going to some up with the same types of publications as someone in the hard sciences nor will they get the popular coverage of rockstars. Here, we have numerous sources from third-party publications and I think this is more than adequate, particularly when you add in the national awards. WP:GNG is met. Montanabw (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    However, Montanabw, I don't see GNG satisfied. When one digs deeper into the apparently impressive list of 36 references, and removes about a half of duplicated entries, it turns out to be more or less a digest of Google results about the subject – every school, festival or forum where he participated and where he got a passing mention is duly used as a reference. The sources that go any deeper into his biography aren't really independent – those are Vranje Piano Summer festival brochure, where he held a lecture about Skryabin, its rehash on the same festival, where he held a lecture on Gilels, and his faculty CV. No independent press, magazines, interviews. And I'm also concerned about Zero hits at Google books (the few hits are about another person) – even taking into account systemic bias, books in Serbo-Croatian tend to be at least indexed by Google, and there's nothing here. No such user ( talk) 08:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    I am hesitant to delete these non-English bios of folks in Eastern Europe because newspaper coverage and such may not be age-of-Google. I see a combination of academic accomplishment and musicianship. The "how many peer reviewed papers did he publish?" standard of NACADEMIC works for the hard sciences, but is not an adequate way to rank people in the arts. Here, we look to a multitude of different accomplishments, and even if some sources are duplicative, we err on the side of a presumption of notability until established otherwise, and here I think it's on the keep side of the line. But, of course, you have the right to disagree with my position on this matter, I've said my piece and I'm not interested in a lot of further debate, it will go as it goes, so am also taking this off my watchlist. Montanabw (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Delete: I am persuaded by the arguments of "No such user". I am not persuaded by the argument that "we err on the side of a presumption of notability until established otherwise". Even if that were true, the presumption in this case has been removed by the evidence of this academic's low rate of publication and recognition within the field of musicology. Given the paucity of this scholar's impact, the article could only be justified were there a rule on Wikipedia that every academic gets an article. That cannot possibly be the case. Syek88 ( talk) 07:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete nothing to suggest he passes notability for academics, and the coverage of his other activities is not enough to pass GNG. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Significant press coverage. And if he is notable enough for the Serbian Wikipedia then surely he is notable enough for the English version. We have little enough coverage of Serbia. Rathfelder ( talk) 21:44, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. meets neither WP PROF or the possible alternative WP:MUSIC. Most of the writings discussed at great length here are just articles and reviews, with only one book. I consider only the frWP and the deWP to have sufficient notability requirements that articles of national-relatedsubjects in them are almost certainly notable here also. (possibly nl also, but I haven't happened to notice many where it's applicable). Other languages much less so, even other major European languages. DGG ( talk ) 01:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, I am not convinced by the argument that this person has significant press coverage; while the number of sources is impressive, most if not all are either not independent, or are mere mentions of the article subject. This doesn't mean that their scholarship doesn't have value, simply that we don't have enough significant and neutral information to write a proper biography of them. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 04:13, 6 May 2017 (UTC). reply
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Non-notable actor. Minor appearances and no significant coverage. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 23:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Lack of coverage for this particular page I believe makes the page not notable. Wiki Cell ( talk) 08:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete starring in a non-notable film does not make one notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete A few minor roles. Her credits include "Receptionist" and other minor characters. Fails WP:NACTOR. Article creator should take care while putting "his" in a female actor's biography. -- Skr15081997 ( talk) 12:07, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails NACTOR, possibly a TOOSOON situation depending on whether she accumulates more credits and more notable credits moving forward. South Nashua ( talk) 18:16, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 02:27, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

2010s in music

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This article has been brought up by Sergecross73 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums. The following text is taken directly from the "2010s in music" section:

"Mostly unsourced original research and giant paragraphs of excessive example bloat."

Serge also said the article is "largely unsourced and unfocused". DBZFan30 ( talk) 22:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete The article could be scratched and started over again with proper sources. TH1980 ( talk) 22:36, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep because not only does this article focus on musical trends of this decade, but it's an article of over 500 words, with over 70 references. 107.218.152.97 ( talk) 22:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Oh wow, did not expect this. I really just contacted the WikiProject for advice on how to approach cleaning it up. I guess I'm neutral at this point? On one hand, the article is truly in awful shape. On the other hand, I'm not sure how one could possibly argue that a decade of music could be not notable, though there could be a good WP:TNT argument to be made. This really probably warrants a bigger discussion about these "decade in music" articles - it's weird to just delete one, but in my spot-checking, many of these types of articles are on just terrible shape. Sergecross73 msg me 00:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, but with a 90 day deadline to improve it or it gets deleted. I looked at the other decades for music. Various decades had problematic articles and have been tagged such as 2000s in music, I suggest creating a Wikipedia Project to clean up the articles related to decades of music. As far as this article, User:Theatheistgerm created this article and a large portion of the article's content. He has not edited Wikipedia since October 1. 2016. He may have stopped editing Wikipedia for good. The are sections of the article which are problematic. For example, the Hip Hop section which is nearly all internal links and see it is very visually unappealing to the eye. Some of the picture placements are poorly done as well in some sections. The article needs better sourcing as well. desmay ( talk) 01:19, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Thats...not really how WikiProjects work. They only work if there are already many people already interested in the subject. I think the reason these articles are perpetually in bad shape is because there's a lack of editors interested in working on this. So far, my request at existing Music WikiProjects has only resulted in this AFD. Sergecross73 msg me 01:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Notable, as it covers the state of genres in the 2010s such as rock, pop, hip hop, just to name a few. MetalDiablo666 ( talk) 01:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Thats just a description of the article's scope, not an argument for or against deletion. Sergecross73 msg me 01:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. This article may be in awful shape, however, if it is improved then it would be worth keeping. This article is informative and notable as it covers a variety of genres throughout a decade-long period. Bmbaker88 ( talk) 02:58, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - The topic of this article is clearly notable, we have articles on other decades in music and on individual years. The article does not fall under any of the reasons for deletion listed on this page. The article should instead be improved, or unreferenced material removed. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 11:03, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - clearly notable, and not so awful as to be blown up. Bearian ( talk) 02:15, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - It's a good article with a lot information about the music in the 2010s. Why would anybody nominate it for deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.28.208.80 ( talk) 22:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - an obviously notable topic. However, it is in need of a lot of cleanup. If the problem is systemic, and not limited to just this article (as it seems), it should be discussed in the context of all those "decade in music" articles. It will be great if we could have a guideline page that talks about things to include and how to write them (an RfC might help with that). But we don't. So, let's stick to fixing the problem for the moment. —  Yash  talk  stalk 17:57, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Indeed, this is related to why I started my initial discussion at the busiest music WikiProject I've observed. I was interested in trying to clean it up, but couldn't find any well-done examples to base my efforts off of. A week later, and no one, here or there, has offered any meaningful insight. Sergecross73 msg me 19:54, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Mandini (Singer)

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Apparent autobiography of a non- notable singer. No indications of any record releases, and therefore certainly no indications of any airplay, awards, etc. Speedy deletion declined so here we are. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 21:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy delete no major label, no major songs, no major... anything. Being the spawn of a (barely) notable person does not mean they should have a page. This should have been speedied, and WP:ATD-R be damned. Primefac ( talk) 21:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Gigi Zancheta. I can't find anything other than that they have the relationship. Adam9007 ( talk) 21:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
A redirect is a bad idea because he is not mentioned on Gigi's page. Someone searching for Mandini would be rather confused ending up at a (female) soap opera star's page with no mention of him. Primefac ( talk) 22:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I've searched for sourcing and can find no evidence of notability.. Redirecting a BLP to another BLP without a very strong reason to do so is troublesome. INVALIDBIO does not call for it to be done, it points out that two non-notable children redirect to their respective parents, which in both of those cases make sense, the children of two of the world' most famous celebrities will likely be searched for and recreated if a red link. We have no reason to think that would be the case here. TonyBallioni ( talk) 22:10, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete What is the CCS here? Being born to someone famous in 99.9% of circumstances is not going to be a CCS. Every person is born, doesn't make it special or significant because their parents have a Wikipedia article. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 22:21, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Speedy delete This article is not well done at all and could easily go. TH1980 ( talk) 22:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete No RSes found with either Google or Google news search. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:39, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete No sources, couldn't find a thing, and the "(Singer)" disambiguation makes it completely inappropriate for a redirect Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Zero evidence of notability. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 12:29, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Associate mobile

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Company fails WP:GNG. I was unable to find anything to satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH. I added a reference from Bloomberg to the article but that is just a listing verifying that the company exists. CNMall41 ( talk) 21:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete The subject lacks notability. TH1980 ( talk) 22:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - no coverage other than business directories, etc. Does not meet basic notability standards. Glendoremus ( talk) 05:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Fails WP:GNG, I could not find significant coverage of the company in any independent reliable source, just listings in business directories. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:54, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Michael Lajtay

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Inadequate evidence of notability. Only ref. 2 contributes anything, and it is from 17 years ago. Maproom ( talk) 20:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Delete Subject lacks notability. TH1980 ( talk) 22:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete a refernece being 17 years old does not diminish notability, but one reliable source indepth reference is not enough to show a businessman is notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 07:25, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Rise of Hip Hop

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Per WP:NOT#OR. Unreferenced original research. There are footnotes as if they intended to provide sources, but without any provided the article should be deleted Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 20:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Speedy delete The article is completely lacking in proper sourcing and formatting as per Wikipedia guidelines. TH1980 ( talk) 22:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. This article is written like an opinion piece instead of an informational piece. Additionally, this article does not have any sources to support the views. Bmbaker88 ( talk) 02:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Hi! I'm one of the WikiEd people assigned to this course. While looking at the page I noticed that it appears to copy content from here, the Wikipedia article on hip hop, some content from New York City blackout of 1977, and hip hop music. On his sandbox page he seems to give attribution to the other Wikipedia articles, but I don't see where this is in his edit history. I'll send a copy to the student and alert him to this. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 05:05, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Actually, it doesn't look like I can email him. I'll send him a message on his talk page instead. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 05:07, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Leigh Valentine

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Does not appear to satisfy our notability criteria. The only reliable independent secondary sources I could find say that she had a messy divorce from Robert Tilton and that she led a prayer at a Trump rally last spring. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 20:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete She is a background supporter of a lot of causes, but being in the background generally means non-notable. Her winning the state Miss USA competition is also not a sign of notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:58, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete I searched, since bio indicated that there might be notability out there, somewhere, but there isn't. Nom and Johnpacklambert have this exactly right. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • delete unable to locate significant coverage on Gale. Dloh cierekim 21:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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" Gale (publisher), a publisher of reference books and databases, formerly known as the Gale Group, then Thomson Gale." They have a large collection of reference materials. I have access via my library. I saw a banner notification over my watchlist saying they were offering free access to a limited number of editors. 65.35.179.54 ( talk) 22:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC) oops, logged out by power failure. Dloh cierekim 22:05, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) —  Yash  talk  stalk 17:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Claire keane

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No evidence here of any notability. She is an illustrator, no doubt a very competent illustrator, but no evidence that she is a notable illustrator. Fails WP:GNG. Reads like a veiled advert for her new book.   Velella   Velella Talk   18:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy delete Richard BB 18:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - per nom. The only references I can find are mostly unreliable i.e. blogs Reb1981 ( talk) 19:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • I'll just add that Richard BB's speedy deletion tag was declined -- and I'd say, rightly so. I can't see any basis to speedy delete, nor does he offer one here. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep. I'm finding a number of reliable sources on this subject, including a Fast Company article, an NPR station article, and plenty more. Based on my research the subject appears notable.-- SouthernNights ( talk) 00:30, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep in addition to the above the article had a improperly integrated reference section that with some love should be enough to bring it within WP:GNG. Artw ( talk) 05:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The reliable sources linked to by SouthernNights, above, is enough to pass WP:GNG. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 11:18, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep It seems the Wall Street Journal reviewed one of her books as one of the "best new children's books." I don't have a subscription to WSJ but the review is linked here. Also, wondering why her last name is in lower case in the WP article (I usually check maiden and married name variance and noticed this.) Netherzone ( talk) 22:51, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: SouthernNights presents a compelling argument. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 12:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep passes GNG. I added some sources to the article, too. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 00:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep – Meets WP:AUTHOR and WP:BASIC per a WP:BEFORE source review. Here's more sources: [1], [2], [3], [4]. North America 1000 01:02, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 04:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Dana Arschin

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Clearly fails WP:NJOURNALIST. The emmy award was not an individual award but one for a broadcast of which she was part of the 11 person team. fails WP:GNG Domdeparis ( talk) 18:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Of the 12 sources provided 6 are self-published, 1 (daily dot) just says "Editors of News 12 and the reporter, Dana Arschin, who claims to be a “Holocaust Educator,” did not return our requests for comment" and nothing else about her. NYIT is her Alma Marta and so not independent. 1 (greatneckrecord) doesn't mention her but her name appears in a caption for a photo. Another (Brooklyn eagle) is about a business park and not about her and just gives a passing mention at the end of the article. 1 is a podcast from a private college and the last is the list of winners of the NY Emmys that I added myself to clarify the claim of being an Emmy-winning journalist. This is clearly a puff piece for a non-notable young journalist. Domdeparis ( talk) 18:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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*Keep For now at least. She is young and there are quite a few reliable sources that specifically mentions her, or is about her. Not including the plethora of reports by her that come up during the Google News search with her name.-- Contactpage ( talk) 18:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete for now at least. Dearth of coverage about her. Google hits for her reports don't fill the need for independent sourcing. May she one day be notable, but is not now. Dloh cierekim
Comment: There are also many Google hits for her videos. Indeed Google hits for her overabundance of reports don't fill the need for independent sourcing, but do provide basis for citation, making her notable another way. BTW independent sourcings do exist -- Contactpage ( talk) 19:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC) boldly going where Domdeparis has gone before. Dloh cierekim 15:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
please don't hesitate to cite them here and add them to the article it would help to decide the outcome. Domdeparis ( talk) 21:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep Barely enough coverage to clear WP:GNG, the reason I would say keep is there is probably a lot of tv broadcasts that could be used as sources if they could be made available online. I know this argument is a little WP:CRYSTALy but the sources online seem to just be a shadow of the information on this person released to the public. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 19:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

*Keep I saw her on TV many times.-- Pediaorg ( talk) 19:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Comment I don't mean to be rude but that has to be the lamest argument in an Afd discussion I have ever seen... Domdeparis ( talk) 21:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Indeed. Having seen someone on TV does not signify notability. Dloh cierekim 21:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

*Keep Enough reliable sources to justify notability, and also her work is significant enough to be covered in highly esteemed magazines/journals.-- U2t5h6c9 ( talk) 19:52, 27 April 2017 (UTC)U2t5h6c9 ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

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!votes struck as all were sockpuppets of the same account that created the page and have been blocked indefinately here. I hope this is appropriate Domdeparis ( talk) 15:44, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Camp Jaycee

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Local organization that fails the WP:AUD test of notability (organizations and companies). Searches of the usual Google types, Gale, HighBeam, JSTOR, and ProQuest did not return any significant coverage in independent reliable sources more than ten miles from the camp. (Note that there are camps of the same name elsewhere, such as New Jersey and Virginia, operated by other organizations.) -- Worldbruce ( talk) 04:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • delete You look at all those ref's and say, "oooo, notable," right? Only not. There is actually no assertion of significance in the article, and much of the content is promotional. There are several dead links that all point to the same source. There are sources connected to the subject, and a couple of local "human interest story" sources. Lacks significant coverage to meet WP:GNG Dloh cierekim 21:18, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Some of this content can be added about this to the ROTS article provided there are reliable sources backing it up. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 04:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise

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Seems to be a section of script from the Star Wars film. WP:NOTPLOT is the closest reason I could find for deletion Skamecrazy123 ( talk) 17:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - WP:NOTPLOT is a valid reason for deletion. As another user said, it does seem to be a section of the script from Star Wars. XboxGamer 22408talk to me 17:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete More appropriate for some Star Wars wiki. No encyclopedic content. Possibly a copyvio. Certainly unsourced, no indication of notability, several varieties of WP:not's. Dloh cierekim 18:36, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Looks like it was ripped straight from Wookiepedia. Dcfc1988 ( talk) 17:23, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment This is a meme. Not sure if it's gotten enough coverage to merit an article or not--I haven't really looked--but that's one reason why this exists. Might not hurt to merge to Revenge of the Sith, with a 'in popular culture' blurb explaining it. Jclemens ( talk) 02:33, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. In universe plot. No sources to show the meme is significant beyond a reddit discussion. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to Revenge of the Sith in an In Popular Culture section. The meme has some traction as noted above and that may merit a bullet point. Mytildebang ( talk) 00:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete There's honestly just nothing to merge. Most of the article is written in-universe, and there is not a single cited source in the entire article. If we were to add anything to the Revenge of the Sith article, it would have to be written anew. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 06:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. North America 1000 03:13, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Managing Successful Programmes

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non-notable government program. No context, notability unlikely even if external sources were available South Nashua ( talk) 20:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • delete per nom. when youve seen the scene you've seen the scene. ditto. use it-- chad c mulligan. Er, I mean it's a non-notable government thing that doesn't even need a redirect. Just nothing to get a grip on. Dloh cierekim 21:24, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Réjean Gaudreault

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WP:BLP of a politician, notable primarily as the mayor of a city which is not large enough to confer an automatic presumption of notability on its mayors under WP:NPOL. A smalltown mayor could potentially still get into Wikipedia if he could be really well-sourced, per "who have received significant press coverage" in NPOL #2, but the referencing here isn't getting him there: it's based on just one routine piece of election-night coverage, and one piece in which he gives a brief soundbite about his ability to work across political party lines with the local MNA, in an article that isn't otherwise about him. There's simply not enough sourcing, or enough substance, here to deem him notable just for being the mayor of a town with a population of just 11K. Bearcat ( talk) 02:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete another small place mayor in Quebec. Did someone decide to create articles on every mayor in Quebec? John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • delete NN. mentioned in a reminder to the media to attend an event per Gale. No significant coverage was found. Dloh cierekim 21:30, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus is for deletion. North America 1000 04:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Gio Matteo Natoli

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This person does not appear to meet our notability requirements – one brief mention is all I've been able to find in modern sources. The page was created by globally-locked long-term nuisance editor Alec Smithson, who was/is obsessed with people named "Natoli". Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 11:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Comment I haven't come across Alec Smithson's other stuff, but this also has an article in the Portuguese version of Wikipedia. That one seems very well-sourced. I think this is probably notable but most sources will not be in the English language. MartinJones ( talk) 12:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Good catch, MartinJones, that's Alec Smithson for certain (note the Telecom Italia IP address)! But to be doubly sure, pinging Voceditenore – who is also familiar with this editor – for a second opinion. However well-sourced that page may look at first sight, you'll note that even with all the duplicated references and general bluster and obfuscation, there's exactly one reference there that's less than about 150 years old – the same Domenico Ligresti book that's the only ref in the stub I wrote here. I read Italian without difficulty, by the way, and have searched for sources in that language. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 13:48, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Thank you for your detailed and convincing response, Justlettersandnumbers. MartinJones ( talk) 14:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment Perhaps these edits on Wikidata provide some useful cross-connections to other pages and projects which could be affected by related issues. Regards, HaeB ( talk) 03:08, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to An-225. seems to be the consensus. Andy, would you please do what's necessary. DGG ( talk ) 01:51, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Antonov An-325

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No reliable sources to attest to notability. This information, with reliable sources, would be better of as a mention on the Antonov An-225 article. BilCat ( talk) 16:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom and agree if a reliable source is found it can be a one liner in the An-225 article. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and redirect to An-225, with a further mention in HOTOL.
AIUI, this was a plan for around 6 months in early 1991 in the euphoria of post-Soviet cooperation before their collapse into non-working plumbing. The first plan was to resurrect HOTOL as the smaller Interim HOTOL with conventional (and Soviet) rocket engines, piggybacked from the back of an An-225. This had a payload of around 5 tons. Increasing the payload to 7 tons was considered necessary to make this a commercial launch vehicle, which increased the vehicle weight still further. However that then made the takeoff roll of the stacked aircraft too long for the available equatorial launch site airfields ( Kourou). Options were considered: longer flights from a longer field (but from where?), RATO (too high structural load on the pylons), an enlarged aircraft or the An-325, an An-225 (probably the #2 airframe that's still incomplete) with the inboard engines doubled up, as the lowest-cost option for greater thrust and a shortened takeoff roll.
Other than as a HOTOL launcher, there was no point to this aircraft as it was still just a STO(L) An-225, which no-one else needed.
Then the endemic HOTOL cold feet did for it, as did general Russian unrest.
As a supposed potential customer for this (and probably the people who'd broken it by asking for larger payloads), by 1993 it was a bit of a joke around ESA and Eutelsat, mostly for the French to taunt the British and their "Dan Dare spaceplane" vs. the French and their "Tintin" rockets. Then the Arianes blew up anyway and the French rocketeers went quiet. Andy Dingley ( talk) 17:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Malik Streams Corporation

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Possible A7, definitely not notable. South Nashua ( talk) 14:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. A search turned up some social websites, some self-promoting stuff, and some job advertisements. No independent coverage, fails WP:CORP and WP:GNG. Narky Blert ( talk) 21:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Antonio Walluschnig

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Was prodded with the following rationale: "Unsourced, importance not asserted, could not find sources that cover the subject in any depth." Can't add much to this. GregorB ( talk) 11:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete unsourced article that does not assert notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. There's no referencing here to get him over WP:GNG, and no claim of notability strong enough to grant him a presumption of notability in the absence of a demonstrated GNG pass. I'm not familiar enough with Hungarian history to definitively assert that an improved notability claim and better referencing weren't even possible, so no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can properly show him to be notable, but nothing here as of right now is claiming or showing anything that could make this keepable. Bearcat ( talk) 16:26, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 05:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Philip Martin (Businessperson)

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WP:BLP of a businessman, with no claim of notability strong enough to grant him an automatic inclusion freebie just for existing, and nowhere close to the depth of sourcing required to clear WP:GNG. Of the four references cited here, #4 verifies tangential facts about his company while entirely failing to mention Martin's name at all in conjunction with it; #3 is a Q&A interview with Martin in which he answers deeply probing questions like "Are you a saver or a spender?" and "Do you haggle over prices?"; and #2 is a blurb in a newspaper's local news section for the area in which Martin lives. #1 is really the only source here that might actually count for something toward getting him past WP:GNG — it's paywalled, so I can't verify how substantive it is, but even if I give it the benefit of the doubt it takes more than just one GNG-eligible source to pass GNG. As always, Wikipedia is not a free public relations platform or an alternative LinkedIn: the fact that a company has an article does not in and of itself automatically translate into a notability freebie for a separate article about its CEO in the absence of better sourcing than this, particularly when even the company's article (created by the same user) has been flagged as raising possible conflict of interest suspicions too. Bearcat ( talk) 14:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Per nom. No evidence that meets WP:GNG, or related corporate or generic biographical criteria. (As noted, a single "pen pic" in the Business Post doesn't amount to evidence of notability). Further, beyond the "he was born and went to school" text in the "early life" section, the rest of the article is substantive replication of the text of the article on his company. At *best* therefore this should be merged/redirected (per WP:OVERLAP). But, my own recommendation is for deletion (not least given the WP:PROMO, WP:NOTLINKEDIN, and other tonal issues noted by the nom). Guliolopez ( talk) 16:48, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Not much to add to the thorough nomination statement and the previous !vote. It is worth noting that the article's creator was recently blocked for undisclosed paid editing. -- bonadea contributions talk 07:27, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I also do not see how this person satisfies WP:GNG. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 10:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep per WP:BARE. There is an in-depth piece and two more tangential pieces already cited in the article. Bearian ( talk) 02:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Ajay sanchaniya

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Completely lacking notability; was previously deleted via CSD. Re-creation is likely by the subject. Let's kill it via AfD so that any future articles can (if appropriate) be done by G4. Nomoskedasticity ( talk) 13:10, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete Yeah. No independent sources in article, and lead was copied from [5]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:14, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

All The Ordinary Angels (Film)

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The play seemed to get some attention, but the film seems very indie with little media coverage. Esprit15d • talk contribs 12:36, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete The article has no reliable sources. Searching turned up nothing helpful. Fails WP:NFILM. Gab4gab ( talk) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment It was basically a student film, made at the British Youth Film Academy, and doesn't seem to have been released or received any coverage. The play is sort of notable, so it could be moved to All The Ordinary Angels (which would be the correct title even if it is kept). -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 16:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment User:Colapeninsula WikiDan61 Any assistance in doing this change would be greatly apprieciated and i'll be happy to make such changes if concensus is reached on deletion of the film/ if you beleive the play is notable enough. Thank you all for your help. Film9 ( talk) 17:59, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I have nominated Nicholas Connor (Film Director) and am co-nominating all of his films. This film will also be listed at that discussion. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 19:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    Struck comment. This is not a film directed by Connor -- he only served as Script Supervisor on the film. I still don't think the article meets WP:NF as there does not appear to be any significant coverage available. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 19:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedily deleted. Writ Keeper  13:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

How did the Arctic iceberg form ?

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It's an essay. Esprit15d • talk contribs 12:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Hirsh Singh

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WP:BLP of a person notable primarily as an as yet non-winning candidate in the primaries for a forthcoming election. As always, this is not in and of itself grounds for a Wikipedia article per WP:NPOL -- if you cannot demonstrate and reliably source that he was already notable enough for an article for some other reason before being a candidate in the primaries, then he has to win the election, not just run in it, to get an article because of the election per se. But this fails to demonstrate that he has the necessary preexisting notability; as written, it just consists of a single sentence stating that he exists, and is referenced entirely to routine coverage of his campaign announcement with no evidence of any coverage predating that. Bearcat ( talk) 00:17, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Coverage of a person's candidacy in a primary contest is simply expected to always exist for all candidates, so it falls under WP:ROUTINE, and does not assist in building a case for inclusion per WP:GNG except in the extremely rare instance that it explodes into something on the order of the international media firestorm that swallowed Christine O'Donnell. Being able to show just five pieces of coverage of a primary candidate's campaign is not evidence that their candidacy is more notable than the norm — especially since (a) PRNewsWire is not a reliable source, but a press release distribution platform, meaning that his own campaign was the author of self-published "coverage" in the instance of link #1, and (b) IndiaWest and NewsIndia Times are not newspapers in India, but Indian-American ethnic community newspapers in the United States. So the scope of coverage being shown here is already three counts less impressive than you've presented it as being, before we've even gotten into why South Jersey Today and Shore News Network aren't strong sources either. (Hint on that last part: think about the rather large difference between "substantive coverage" and "blurb".) And what John Pack Lambert said in his comment is true as well: Singh is a Republican, but this article as written fails to say that. Bearcat ( talk) 00:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment None of this rises above routine coverage expected of anyone running in an election. People who do not have the party nomination who are running for governor are not notable. The fact that passing mention of him occurs in far off press does not change that it is not above routine coverage. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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Johnpacklambert This is reliable significant independent coverage. If this is routine for candidates for NJ Governor, maybe candidates for Governor should have some sort of intrinsic notability. But this passes GNG. -- Mr. Guye ( talk) 00:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
By your method of counting virtually every candidate for political office would pass GNG. However the coverage in cases like this is short, episodic and routine at present, and just not enough to create a reliable article, plus it would lead us to creating way more articles than we could ever hope to adequately keep updated. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Every single candidate in any election would always pass GNG if all you had to show to get them over GNG just for being a candidate was a few pieces of campaign coverage. That's not how NPOL works, however: in very nearly all cases they must either win the office or already have preexisting notability for other reasons that would already have gotten them an article anyway. The only way to get over GNG just on campaign coverage alone is to have that coverage explode to a volume far out of proportion what could be merely and routinely expected to exist for all candidates — like what happened to Christine O'Donnell — and the volume of coverage you've offered here is not approaching what it would take to pass that hurdle. Bearcat ( talk) 00:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Virtually no coverage before July 2016 - [11]. He is polling at 0%-1% in the Republican primary - so this isn't even a case of waiting for the election for a potential winner. Icewhiz ( talk) 18:41, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Tourism In Indore

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It's an travel guide. Esprit15d • talk contribs 12:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

List of Professional Careers in the United States

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An indiscriminate list of careers that does not meet WP:LISTN. No standard appears to apply for entry to the list. Triptothecottage ( talk) 12:23, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as the title and capitalization make it unlikely for a redirect. Too broad for a list when we already have many lists of occupations (see lists of occupations). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete per WP:NOTGUIDE and the potential to become an indiscriminate list. Ajf773 ( talk) 23:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - this already existed (or at least did until 102 days ago) at bls.gov. Bearian ( talk) 02:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Abhimanyu Yadav

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Mostly seems famous for being the son of a politician, whose own Wikipedia page is sparse. The subject's official website is his Facebook page. Esprit15d • talk contribs 12:19, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Note to closing admin ICYMI, not sure what to make of this. Dloh cierekim 15:43, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete a non-notable youth leader of a state level party. This is not the thing notability is made of. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Delete as I found no significant coverage. Without significant coverage, there is no claim to notability, as pointed out by John. There is another person by this name, sparsely covered. Would appreciate being pointed toward any significant coverage and would appreciate said coverage being added to the article. Dloh cierekim 15:38, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
PSNone of the sources in the article are in a language can read, making assessment difficult. Dloh cierekim 15:41, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Cape May (band)

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Local band 2003-2007. Article unsourced since created in 2005. Searches of the usual Google types, HighBeam, and ProQuest found only a profile in a free arts & entertainment weekly, much of which is attributed to the band's MySpace page. No convincing evidence that the subject meets WP:BAND. Worldbruce ( talk) 17:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. The band existed, and that's about it. Note there's also The Cape May, a (notable) Canadian band. GregorB ( talk) 14:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was withdrawn by nominator. ( non-admin closure). " Pepper" @ 05:03, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Richmond Shepard

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Last AfD closed as WP:NPASR. Shepard does not meet WP:ENT or WP:GNG. It needs proper investigation, as it has been tagged for notability for almost nine years. Boleyn ( talk) 19:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. I believe that The Times and The New Yorker sources above are sufficient to meet WP:GNG (two articles in prominent publications centered on the person in question). His role in Noo Yawk Tawk ("conceived and directed") would go half way towards meeting WP:ENT, provided Noo Yawk Tawk itself is a notable show, which I must say does not appear fully certain. GregorB ( talk) 14:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Per GregorB ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ ( talk) 19:23, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Withdraw nomination per above. Boleyn ( talk) 19:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep As per, Mahveotm and GregorB Article meets WP:GNG come on guys!! Celestina007 ( talk) 21:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Raju Rage

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SPAM and GNG. First page of Google search appears to be not much more than self-promotion. South Nashua ( talk) 16:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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* Too soon. No significant exhibits or museum shows, monographs or collections. Netherzone ( talk) 22:10, 21 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Was leaning "keep" when I thought this was a dance style, it fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. It has a promotional angle. It could be acceptable with another third party review. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 01:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - No significant reliable coverage. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Robosoft Technologies

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Typical PR.Non-notable startup. Winged Blades Godric 12:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Just noting that I've declined a CSD G4 nomination for this article as its content differs substantially from the version deleted in the previous AfD. – Juliancolton |  Talk 14:24, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Wikipedia’s business coverage needs to get better at covering foreign businesses. For example, the website Techinasia.com published a substantial article on Robsoft Technologies. [12] The Alexa rank of Techinasia is 8,798 which means it is one of the most highly trafficked websites on the internet (if its Alexa ranking was not gamed). [13] By all appearances, the website techinasia.com looks like a quality content website. So it appears to be a reliable source. Wikipedia unfortunately has no article on Tech In Asia that I could readily find. The Alexa rank for another website which covers the company is also pretty high – namely vccircle.com. [14] And that website looks credible as well. That article can be found at: Mobile app developer Robosoft secures $3.7M in Series A funding from Kalaari Capital The company is mentioned in other reliable sources in the article too. Robsoft Technologies employs 600 people which is a fairly sizable company. So the main problem is that Wikipedia needs better coverage of business/tech websites in Asia and better coverage of Asian companies. Wikipedia has an article entitled Asian Century which has experts predicting Asia as a major economic/cultural force in the 21st century. It is time that Wikipedia better covers Asian business/tech. desmay ( talk) 01:21, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- promotional & no indications of significance or notability. For example, the level of funding is minuscule for this private company to be presumed notable. Available sourcing is insufficient to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. K.e.coffman ( talk) 23:44, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. The sources referred to above and in the article are WP:PRIMARY and therefore do not establish notability. The Techinasia article referred to above is clearly an advertorial with the same tired formula including interviews and photos of the founder. -- HighKing ++ 16:34, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. A Train talk 11:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Malhar Thakar

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This article should be deleted as the subject is not notable per the WP:GNG. This is because the only sources included in the article are trivial mentions of the subject or unreliable (and not independent) sources. A WP:BEFORE search found no reliable independent sources (such is IMDb). The article also fails WP:NACTOR as the person seems to have only preformed in one notable film and does not appear to meet "has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following" or "has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." - KAP03( Talk • Contributions • Email) 14:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Does seem to fail WP:NACTOR. All of the sources (save for two) are from the same source. No widespread coverage or apparent following. bojo | talk 15:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - not enough to pass NACTOR Spiderone 12:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I am fairly familiar to Gujarati film industry and the region in general and have created a few pages related to it. I was hesitant about creating the page for the actor the same reasons mentioned here. It's a weak case of WP:TOOSOON, but at the same time the actor is fairly well-known and as can now be seen from the page multiple WP:RS support this. So I'd probably favour weak keep over delete. Would also invite Nizil Shah for his opinion. Coderzombie ( talk) 13:36, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I had rewritten Gujarati cinema article and I know Gujarati language. I have seen his film Chhello Divas which was blockbuster in Gujarat State. I have pointed out the same cases, to nominator, of Janki Bodiwala, his co-star in the said film and Aarohi Patel who is also Gujarati actress. These all are weak cases of WP:TOOSOON but Malhar Thakar is somewhat known face in the state now. (Disclaimer: He was my schoolmate but we studied in different classes. We had some mutual friends.) I noted that, after these articles are created, their official pages on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are "varified" (blue ticks). So these articles might have been created to serve this purpose. I may not vote here as it may be considered as WP:COI. :) Regards,-- Nizil ( talk) 13:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC) Thank you, Coderzombie for inviting.-- Nizil ( talk) 13:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
I agree with your point, that's why I think he might pass WP:GNG if not WP:NACTOR Coderzombie ( talk) 14:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
But those sources would not be useful as they are not independent. - KAP03( Talk • Contributions • Email) 15:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
He has coverage in national newspapers (such as Times of India) as well as Gujarati newspapers, which are widely circulated and independent sources (such as Divya Bhaskar). Coderzombie ( talk) 16:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: The actor is notable and is covered by numerous RS. Definitely not a viable candidate for deletion. RoCo (talk) 06:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep: 3 of the films he played lead roles in have their articles on Wikipedia. The sources present in the article clearly indicate that he has received significant coverage for his acting. The Times of India, Divya Bhaskar and Sandesh are reliable newspapers and they cover the subject independently and for several stories. Meets WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. -- Skr15081997 ( talk) 12:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Tariq Ehsan Ghouri

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Fails WP:GNG. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - couldn't locate sources that can establish the notability of the subject. -- Saqib ( talk) 14:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete not notable. I would say "userfy", but Wikipedia is not a web host. Could see tagging for G-11 as it looks like CV of the creator. don't see a clear assertion of significance, so I see it as deletable under A7 as well. Dloh cierekim 17:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Obvious delete.-- Contactpage ( talk) 18:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

struck per this development Dloh cierekim 15:58, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

YouPoundit

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Most of the references are result of PR. No independent sources are found. Fails WP:COMPANY. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 10:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Bog-standard non-notable commerce web site. -- Calton | Talk 06:49, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Weak delete - Weak because I found hits, several of them actually. Quite a few are significant. However, these significant sources appear to either be advertising the company, or otherwise unreliable. This link is the most promising I could find, but it's only mentioned as part of an article which also discusses other startups, so it's not exactly significant coverage. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 14:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable product/company. Zero coverage in RS as required to meet WP:CORP. SmartSE ( talk) 09:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Amateur rugby league club with no claim to notability Mattlore ( talk) 09:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete a poorly written stub with no indication of notability. Also, my understanding of the Australian league system is that this club plays at such a low level that Wikipedia notability guidelines are unlikely to be met anytime soon by this club. Skemcraig ( talk) 13:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable as a powerlifter, kickboxer or MMA fighter. Peter Rehse ( talk) 08:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete I can find no record of him fighting MMA at sherdog and there's definitely no indication of him meeting the notability criteria for MMA fighters. Checking to see if he was a notable weightlifter was a bit more difficult--especially since there's no indication of what championships he competed in or won. However, when I went through the records at USA Powerlifting ( [15]), I can not find his name mentioned at all. I looked especially carefully at events in 2000 and 2001 since that is the time period he reputedly set all these records and had so much success. To me, the burden of proof of notability has not been met. Papaursa ( talk) 17:58, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No individual notability as required by WP:GNG. Redirect attempt reverted by article creator. Exemplo347 ( talk) 08:24, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep – Per a WP:BEFORE source search, passes WP:GNG. See source examples below; more in addition to these are available. The article would benefit from copy editing to reduce intricate detail in the Version history section and to be expanded. North America 1000 01:56, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Plenty of coverage in RS (both online and published). Pavlor ( talk) 08:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Phacellodomus. with an added hatnote to point people toward The Thorn Birds. No masochistic bird text merged anywhere. ♠ PMC(talk) 03:46, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:PTM, no exact matches. The mythological creature may be notable, but it does not have an article, so describing it is not useful. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 03:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Comment: the mythological bird may be no older than the novel. I've spent a bit of time Googling and can only find copies or paraphrases of McCullough's paragraph about the myth: Mccullough quote and then here and similar! There's a religious thornbird myth too, cropping up just the once, but it's really about the goldfinch. If anyone can find an account of a pre-McCullough thornbird myth, there should be an article. Otherwise, no need for dab page, just redirect to Phacellodomus with a hatnote there to The Thorn Birds (though the hatnote on that latter article is inadequate, needs expansion or a dab page ....!) Pam D 10:12, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - If it's truly notable, start with an article and then a DAB page. I don't believe it is notable. Glendoremus ( talk) 05:23, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Certainly "thornbirds" is a common term to refer to a class of birds. And The Thorn Birds was a blockbuster novel that was made into a TV series. I doubt that the novel and genus Phacellodomus are confused for one another very often, but if they are, it can be handled by hatnotes on each page. As for the self-impaling bird myth, I can find no trace of it in WP:RS, albeit this may because sources on "thornbird" and "thornbirds" are filled with sources about the novel, even when searching with keywords like "myth." I do, howeve, have a storng suspicion that this page is a sneaky kind of PROMO for youtube videos here: [ [16]]. Delete as serving no purpose. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 17:31, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Phacellodomus as common name for the species (genus really). MB 19:24, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Yes, the term "thornbirds" should be redirected to Phacellodomus (bloodthirsty little buggers,) but not the text about the unsourced myth about suicidal mythological birds. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 19:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
E.M.Gregory, not sure I follow what you mean. You can't redirect "text", you redirect articles. Thornbirds currently redirects to Thornbird. I propose that both be changed to redirect to Phacellodomus. Singular and plural form to the same place. MB 23:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Yes, I agree. Sorry I worded it badly. I meant that the unsourced sentence asserting that there is a myth about a self-impaling thornbird should be deleted. Not added to Phacellodomus. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 01:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 04:04, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Kidney (disambiguation)

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Was erroneously listed at MFD. Rationale was

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  • Keep but edit: the man with the surname, the Chinese medicine term, and the island are dab-page-worthy, so too much for a simple hatnote. Pam D 08:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Found another name-bearer. Pam D 08:53, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
And have replaced the PTMs by SAs. Pam D 08:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I've added more entries Boleyn ( talk) 12:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • From WP:PTM, since this didn't come out as a Wikilink during the [intended] nomination for deletion, with emphasis added: "To prevent disambiguation pages from getting too long, articles on people should be listed at the disambiguation page for their first or last name only if they are reasonably well known by it. We reasonably expect to see Abraham Lincoln at Lincoln (disambiguation), but very few sources would refer to the waltz composer Harry J. Lincoln by an unqualified "Lincoln", so he is only listed at the Lincoln (surname) anthroponymy article." Six of the 12 articles on the current page are for people whose last name is "Kidney", most of those non-notable people, and none of them is known as "Kidney" the way that Mr. Lincoln is routinely known as "Lincoln." The point here isn't to add more names or entries to the list, the point is to not HAVE a list if the things on it are not routinely referred to as the word or words in the article namespace. Is "Kidney Island" routinely called "Kidney"? If not, then it doesn't belong on this list. The Kidney (food) Wikilink just goes to a subsection of the existing article Kidney, which is kind of pointless. So between the non-notable entries which have no associated Wikipedia article, the various people and places that are almost certainly not known as "Kidney", and the redundant redirect, the only entry which remains at all viable here is the one for Kidney (Chinese medicine), and a single entry doesn't warrant an entire disambig page, it warrants a hatnote, yes? KDS4444 ( talk) 09:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • There are multiple people with surname "Kidney". They could be listed at Kidney (surname) ... which would then be a valid entry at Kidney (disambiguation) (which is not unreasonably long, even with the name-holders listed, so there seems no point in adding the extra layer of a separate surname page). I've always understood that geographic entities called "XYZ" plus a generic term such as "island", "mount", "river" etc are valid dab page entries for "XYZ", so that the Kidney Island entries are also valid. I also think there's a reasonable argument to include the food entry on the list, as the reader looking for "kidney" as food will not expect to find it only mentioned in an anatomy article. Pam D 22:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Okay, starting from the end there: the "Kidney as food" link does go to the article on the anatomical organ (a separate article could be produced on the organ as a food item, and we already have such a precedent in Liver (food), but no such article currently exists for the kidney... Wanna write one?). Me, I don't have a problem having "Kidney" mean both the organ and the food, as they really aren't different things, just different contexts, but this disambig page implies different topics, which they mostly (so far) are not, yes? Second, I agree that there are lots of precedents for using disambig pages for partial title matches like "Kidney Island"... I disagree that the precedents are a good thing or should be imitated, however, as that is not the purpose of a disambig page— the purpose is to give a heads-up to readers who might not know that several other "things" in the world are also known by the same name (usually not just a similar name, and not just a name with the name in it somewhere). The purpose isn't just to catalogue all of the titles that happen to partially match (though I understand that this is how it often appears!). If a person couldn't reasonably be expected to say, "I like kidney" and possibly mean both the food item as well as some famous artist named Mr. Kidney, the two of them don't belong on a disambig list because no one is going to mistake the one for the other in an encyclopedia and no one is going to type in the word "kidney" expecting to find the artist and then be confused when they get the organ. No one. In this sense, having a disamig page that mentions all of the possible permutations of article titles that happen to have the word "kidney" in them only adds to reader confusion. I know it feels right to add all of the partial title matches in here, but it doesn't help the reader and doesn't really do anything to move the project forward— it is a lateral move, which ends up being baggage we don't need. If we need it, then that need should be justified. I am still not seeing that here. Not yet, anyway. KDS4444 ( talk) 11:32, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  1. The reader looking for kidney as food lands on the page Kidney and finds that it is an anatomical page; no mention of culinary uses in the lead section; if they scroll down a long way they might get to the TOC and notice, a very long way down it, "Kidneys as food", but I think they are much more likely to click on the hatnote and be led to the dab page, from where a helpful link takes them to the section about "Kidneys as food". Yes, they've gone back to the page where they first landed, but they are now seeing the information they want. Job done, dab page has been useful. (Yes, might get around to creating the article some time - quite a few sources, but not an area of cuisine I'm particularly interested in myself).
  2. We differ about the islands etc, but as you acknowledge yourself there are many precedents for such terms being (helpfully to my mind) listed on dab pages.
  3. There are two people surnamed "Kidney" with WP articles: are you saying that they should not be made accessible to readers who only know their surname? Surname-holders are usually listed on dab pages, or if the dab page becomes too large then in a surname page. No need for the extra layer of complexity here, the dab page does the job nicely. But a hatnote at Kidney would struggle to cope with the two name-holders who have articles as well as the Chinese medicine concept (let alone the useful-to-readers "Kidneys as food").
In short the dab page is useful to readers and complies with our guidelines so Keep. Pam D 12:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Current version sufficient as DAB. MB 20:46, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Alvin and the Chipmunks discography. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

The Chipmunks and The Chipettes: Born to Rock

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No sources cited since April 2010 (7 years). DBZFan30 ( talk) 03:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable businessperson that fails WP:GNG. A software he created got highlighted in the Hindu, so not A7, but there does not appear to be any substantial coverage of him independent of his companies. I'm doubtful that his companies or software are notable, but even if they were WP:NOTINHERITED would apply. TonyBallioni ( talk) 03:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as there's no evidence that this person passes WP:GNG. The software he created being highlighted in a couple of newspapers is a case of WP:BLP1E. — Stringy Acid talk 14:32, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The software is not notable, and that is the only thing coming event close. On a side note, should this not actually be John J Deepak? John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:34, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    • @ Johnpacklambert: South Asian naming conventions are complex, but from my (very basic) understanding, there are areas where the father's given name would be roughly the equivalent of the Western surname. I'm sure I'm mucking something up with that explanation, but its what all of his websites refer to him as, so I didn't see a reason to do a move. TonyBallioni ( talk) 18:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
      • The article says his father's name is Joseph J. I guess I am just not used to throwing an initial at the end of the name, except with some formulations of Spanish-names like Agricol Lozano H, where Lozano was his main last name, and the H is for Herrera, the secondary last name, and sometimes just used as an initial, especially when written for English speakers so they use the right last name. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:42, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. I couldn't find much in a source search (also without the initial at the end). Icewhiz ( talk) 19:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. The article states the claim of significance as "its Hollywood location and for being a popular place for celebrities to buy vehicles." The article goes on to mention the dealership closed in '95 and the building now has new tenants. I would argue that this isn't a significant enough claim of notability for the dealership to receive it's own WP page, and therefore should be deleted. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 02:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete A 20-year defunct car dealership once celebrity-adjacent doesn't need an article; compare to the many NY/LA local TV reporters who get articles just for being in a big market. Nate ( chatter) 09:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete No indication of notability, fails WP:CORPDEPTH. -- HighKing ++ 16:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - as per above. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

WowBox

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No claim to notability. A Japanese snack service of the same name has a higher number of search hits. Esprit15d • talk contribs 02:27, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 03:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Living together before marriage

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It's an essay, Esprit15d • talk contribs 02:00, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Zacari

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He may be famous one day, but his current claim to fame is his affiliation with Kendrick Lamar, and notability is not transferable. Gsearch revealed minor mentions in relation to the release of DAMN, and some hits at Discogs. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • I certainly respect your opinion, and AfD is designed for such discussions, but your accusations against fellow editors are uncivil and unfounded. I did perform an investigation before I nominated. Even the links you provide seem to confirm the point behind the nomination. The first line of the first article is, "Being mentioned alongside Kendrick Lamar, Rihanna and U2 is a dream for many artists, but for singer-songwriter Zacari Pacaldo, it’s a reality." Kendrick Lamar's name is in ALL but one of the urls, and that link leads to an article about how inappropriate it was that Zacari crashed the stage at the People's Choice Awards and other elite events. I wish him the best, and hope that one day he warrants an article in WP, but currently, he seems to fail notability standards. Please be more civil in your opinion, as it makes this process needlessly hostile.--Esprit15d • talk contribs 10:50, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Just reviewed the People's Choice Award's link, and that's Zacari Nicasio, not the Zacari of the article.--Esprit15d • talk contribs 11:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I don't know Wikipedia's rules for deletion of musicians, but I wanted to note that this article was valuable to me. I'm cataloging Lamar's album "Damn" for the Dallas Public Library, and this article gave me a quick, single-source location to get the data points of Zacari's full name, while also confirming that this is the Zacari associated with the Kendrick Lamar album. -KM 27 April, 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.97.145.2 ( talk) 13:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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YouTuber with only 170,000 subscribers. May be notable one day, but not yet. Google search shows mostly primary sources and YouTube-centric sites. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Seeing that this discussion has been open for some time I have taken some time to soak up the arguments here. Firstly, I think the new language at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is unequivocal: Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist, and thus articles about them should meet Wikipedia's standards for sources and the GNG. The editors below citing SCHOOLOUTCOMES may not have carefully reviewed this article, which is exclusively sourced to first-party documents and highly dubious third party references like this apartment rental guide. Additionally, users citing prior precedent are not convincing: the new language at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES reads as a clear break with that precedent. In light of all this, there do not appear to be any substantial arguments to keep that rebut the nomination or the arguments to delete that followed.

The crux of this is that the article as it stands clearly fails WP sourcing standards and the GNG -- I would suggest no prejudice against re-creating the article with superior sourcing that passes that bar. A Train talk 22:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The subject fails WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. This article (and many like it) serve as promotional pieces for the schools as no independent critical coverage of the subject exists. Because WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES can no longer be used as a rationale at AfD, this article has no quality to prevent deletion. Chris Troutman ( talk) 16:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. The RfD has sadly been misunderstood. It wasn't about destroying the existing consensus, but merely about formalising it. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:12, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Please reread the purpose of the RfD. It was intended to discuss whether we should formalise the consensus in writing. It was not intended to replace the consensus, since that has been arrived at over many years of AfDs. As I said, it's been misinterpreted (probably deliberately by a number of deletionists). And a number of secondary schools have been kept in AfDs since after the consensus has been cited. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • You're confused, or you've lost your objectivity. If you can't make a policy-based argument then there's nothing to discuss. Chris Troutman ( talk) 15:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Merge: to Seoul's education section. Not notable on its own. SL93 ( talk) 18:14, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep per Necrothesp. The RfC, as all the previous, perennial ones, did not identify any clear consensus. The fact is undeniable that a precedent exists as evidenced by thousands of school articles, whether documented in a non-policy/non-guideline essay or not. One point the closer made was that the RfC should not be used to cause a stampede on school articles by the deletionists. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:29, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or merge (per DEL8 and FAILN) for lack of notability under NSCHOOLS. The "schools" RFC, with more than a hundred participants, represents broader consensus than any number of AfD discussions dominated by a small group of editors who repeat the same tired argument. Per the close, the community's consensus is that articles about schools need significant coverage in reliable and independent sources to be kept. Such coverage does not appear to exist for this school. Rebb ing 13:08, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:NSCHOOL Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 20:19, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    • WP:NSCHOOL reads: "All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline ( WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both." There's no evidence that this private school passes WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Pburka ( talk) 17:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as a lonheld standing consensus of keeping such articles as long as they in fact exist and are important to society, which is in fact a notability criterion, sufficient to keep, barred from any supposed "I don't like it" arguments. SwisterTwister talk 20:22, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    • Societal importance is not a notability criterion under any of our guidelines, and the recent "schools" RFC explicitly rejected the argument that existence is sufficient for notability: "Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist."

      Additionally, no one here is making an "I don't like it" argument; the problem is that there isn't enough independent, reliable coverage to write a useful article for this specific school. Ironically, your vote, couched in terms of social value and the notion that all school articles should be kept regardless of their individual merits, is clearly an "I like it." Rebb ing 23:14, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. as for all verifiable high schools. The RfC on secondary schools found there was not consensus to change the presumption that they are to be considered notable; it also did say there was no consensus to quote SCHOOLOUTCMES as a guideline, which does cause a certain confusion. I do not think we have in the last 6 or 7 years deleted an article for a secondary school that met WP:V, unless there was some special special. I find it quite odd that the onesn ow being nominated for deletion are international schools, because these are among the ones that the strongest case could be made for. As a reminder, the strongest reason for considering all these as notable is to avoid these discussions. We have a few hundred thousand actually harmful articles -- mainly promotional or fan-motivated, but we also have lots of unrecognized copyvio from the early years. that's what we need to work on, and every nomination like thisdetracts from the available time to do it. DGG ( talk ) 18:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
    • I'm curious what the strong case for keeping international schools is. These schools are usually private businesses which have an interest in promoting their school, and may use Wikipedia to do so. They're also less likely to have lasting social impact in the community, since they serve transient ex-pats, who usually don't form strong ties to the community. Finally, one would expect that sources for international schools would be easier to find than for local schools, since their students come from all over the world, and we'd expect greater diversity in media covering an international school. Pburka ( talk) 17:37, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • FYI: Huff Post by this guy [17] Alanscottwalker ( talk) 20:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per long-standing precendent. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES: "2. Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools have historically been kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists." "Editors should not flood AFD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations." -- David Tornheim ( talk) 21:54, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. That Wikipedia gives free advertising space to private businesses simply because the business operates a school astonishes me. Simply existing is not enough to demonstrate notability. No newspapers or books seem to have deemed the school notable enough to write about it, indicating that it is not, in fact, notable. Pburka ( talk) 16:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I find it disappointing to see experienced editors are continuing to claim that there is consensus to keep secondary schools just because they exist -- which was explicitly rejected at the recent RfC. Cherry picking just the RfC's statement that "Editors should not flood AFD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations" is absurd. That's not a keep argument; it's a behavioral argument. If someone is "flooding AfD", take them to ANI. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Dennis Brown - 22:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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The subject fails WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. This article (and many like it) serve as promotional pieces for the schools as no independent critical coverage of the subject exists. Because WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES can no longer be used as a rationale at AfD, this article has no quality to prevent deletion. Chris Troutman ( talk) 16:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • One way to put it is that there was a bad decision reached, perhaps a wp:LOCALCONSENSUS, a temporary result that should be disregarded. A consensus to "Keep" at a number of AFDs since the RFC proves its supposed consensus is flawed. In general it is a stupid waste of time to have AFDs about secondary schools. It is American- and British-centric and evil in various other ways to delete the articles. You and I and most other longtime Wikipedia editors probably edited our own high school articles when we started. The articles should be kept. -- do ncr am 21:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • So you know, being a ten-year editor does not give you the right to ignore consensus. That editors like you have been !voting against that decision does not make it flawed, only poorly-enforced. That you think deletion is "evil in various other ways" is illuminating. Chris Troutman ( talk) 21:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
totally agree with Chris troutman. LibStar ( talk) 00:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
You and I and most other longtime Wikipedia editors probably edited our own high school articles when we started ridiculous argument. LibStar ( talk) 01:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete given the recent RFC on WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, there is no longer inherent notability of secondary schools. as it stands it fails WP:GNG. if someone finds significant third party coverage in Korean I will happily reconsider. LibStar ( talk) 01:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. The RFC couldn't be more clear on the matter regarding WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES: this sort of circular argument is to be avoided. Unless Korean reliable sources can be found, this fails GNG. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 13:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (per DEL8) as the school doesn't appear to have received the significant, independent attention from reliable sources that is required by the recently-reaffirmed notability standard. See NSCHOOLS; 2017 RFC on Schools. Rebb ing 16:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as the Delete arguments are entirely on "I don't like it" which is not a policy argument; we still maintain that such articles can be acceptable and we always have so, and this is no different. We have never put "Schools must be deleted" in policy and the votes here have no basis for that, thus not relevant> These subjects are not one to maintain such coverage but, like with deleting YouTubers, ridiculous arguments as "But his sources suffice" are absolutely no different how we stick a "Needs better sourcing" argument here at all. Also,

politically speaking, no one has attempted to actually search locally thus committing systematic bias something that has in fact been maintained as unacceptable for AfD. SwisterTwister talk 05:12, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply

have you attempted to search locally? The onus is on keep !voters to provide evidence of significant coverage. If you do I will reconsider my !vote. LibStar ( talk) 18:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, as a high school. Redirect is the official policy for such articles, not outright deletion. I mistakenly thought this was a non notable middle school.And BTW, the cited RfC was not about OUTCOMES - anyone who suggests it was should read the proposal again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 11:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)Updated: Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:NSCHOOL Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 20:22, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This is a high school, not a middle school and we normally keep them. The rather self-contradictory decision on SCHOOLOUTCOMES was that there was no consensus to consider it a guideline, but that there also was no consensus to do anything other than what it said, which is to keep all high school with a real existence. Cris, you've made several of these nomination. I suggest you go back and read the closing statement in full. It does not say what you think it does. . (And in any case, we certainly do have the right to ignore any guideline there is consensus to ignore, and anyone may so argue. The basic policy is WP:IAR, which can override any guideline, and is. as it says it is, the fundamental rule here. If there were a guideline to delete, as there isn't. it would be perfectly legitimate to deal with any special case by IAR. the entire Notability guideline page even more than most guidelines, says the rules are only the usual course, not the invariable course. To be fair, similarly, if there were an establish guideline to keep, we could still delete if there were consensus to make an exception. Kudpung, did you think it was a middle school? That's what the first line says, but reading further show that it started that way, but has developed into a K-12 school. Additionally, proper searching would probably find adequate sources, but I doubt they'd be in English. DGG ( talk ) 01:44, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Additionally, proper searching would probably find adequate sources. Sounds like WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar ( talk) 16:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as failing WP:GNG. One would expect to find more coverage of an English-language international school in English-language sources if it were notable, but I'm open to revising my opinion if significant coverage in Korean-language sources is subsequently found. Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
I'velooked at a goodnumber over the years. Sources have always existed only in their own country and in the country of the sponsor. This particular one is originally sponsored by a Japanese companyfor thechildren of its employees. DGG ( talk ) 23:23, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
again WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar ( talk) 23:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per long-standing precendent. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES: "2. Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools have historically been kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists." "Editors should not flood AFD with indiscriminate or excessive nominations." -- David Tornheim ( talk) 21:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:40, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Camtek Intelligent Imaging

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Seems like WP:SOAP to me. Being on the NASDAQ doesn't automatically give you the necessary publicity to pass WP:GNG. Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 22:23, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete unless better sources founded. Not enough notable sources. Knox490 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:20, 14 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - plenty of sources in Hebrew קמטק ( [18]) and in English ( [19]) cover Camtek. This has been a public company for a very long time and received significant coverage from the Israeli press (including pre-listing in Israel, as its parent company פריורטק was listed and is essentially the same (mostly holds Camtek) - and some coverage from foreign press. The 3D printing line (which failed and was closed down) received coverage as part of the hype, but coverage extands more than a decade. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Just being listed in not enough, unless its on the NYSE main board or a comparable exchange. At least the English language references are either just notices or PR reports or stock analysts' rating. DGG ( talk ) 00:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep per plentiful, persuasive sources:
  • "Brown Shoe, Camtek: Biggest Price Gainers (BWS, CAMT)" Aug. 26, 2011. "Camtek Ltd. CAMT 2.44% topped the list of Biggest Percentage Price Gainers among common stocks on the Nasdaq Stock Market." WSJ [20].
  • " Camtek Receives First Conditional Order for 3D Inkjet System" Feb 2nd, 2015 [21] [[Jewish Business News]
  • It is certainly large enough to pay its execs handsomely "100 Israeli execs earned over NIS 3m in 2015" 23 March 2016 Globes [22]
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  • Delete Fails WP:CORPDEPTH and GNG. Routine coverage such as comments on its stock price or PR announcements are not sufficient to establish notability. Pointing to Google search results doesn't convince me either. -- HighKing ++ 14:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- nothing encyclopedically relevant here; just a directory listing. An unremarkable private company going about its business; revenues of under $100M are hardly remarkable. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:32, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Most of links I found are results of PR. No independant coverage. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 11:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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No claim to notability. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:27, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: A WP:SPA article on a firm and its platform proposition. The article text does not indicate notability as a firm (10 employees) or a platform (500 registered users). Setting aside similarly named firms elsewhere, I am not seeing evidence of attained notability, whether as a company or a product. AllyD ( talk) 06:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Little in the way of coverage to substantiate notability. -- Whats new? (talk) 23:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • delete blatant advert created by a single purpose editor. LibStar ( talk) 02:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. Pure WP:PROMO. -- HighKing ++ 16:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:39, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Does not satisfy WP:NMUSIC. The artist is not signed to a major record label, he has no charting singles or albums, he has not been nominated for a major music award, etc. There is one source, but it's a single article from a tabloid style website; definitely not enough for WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Existence does not equal notability. References are promotional, download sites and/or self-generated, and do not indicate any kind of third party coverage or press that is beyond promotional effort (note the source HipHopDX exists partially as a platform for promotion, see their guidelines: http://hiphopdx.com/contactus.) Perhaps someday this subject can show evidence of success that can be considered encyclopedic worthy, but for now, at best, this is a case of WP:TOO SOON. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 15:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete. It's a good cause, but Wikipedia isn't a host for essays advocating causes. Acroterion (talk) 03:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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It's an essay. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 22:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable. Esprit15d • talk contribs 01:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. As yet unelected candidates for political office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates, per WP:NPOL — if you cannot demonstrate and properly source that he was already notable enough for an article for some other reason independent of his candidacy, then the mere fact of being a candidate is not enough in and of itself. For added bonus, this is written very much more like a campaign brochure than an encyclopedia article, and the only reference that's actually present in the article is a press release from his own campaign staff. But even an actual incumbent officeholder who does clear NPOL still doesn't get to source the article that way. Bearcat ( talk) 02:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as not meeting relevent requirements. If no actual sourcing on page, susceptible to BLPProD. First read inclines me to tag for WP:CSD#G11. Bearcat makes salient points. I did not see the sourcing Bearcat mentions. Dloh cierekim 17:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
There appears to have been a point, between my comment and now, when the reference that is present in the article briefly disappeared due to a formatting error, but that got corrected and it's visible again (there are also two other reference tags being called at various places in the article, but empty ones that don't actually cite an actual reference for anything.) But the one visible reference is still a press release from his own campaign, not independent coverage verifying anything that would count as a notability claim at all. Bearcat ( talk) 19:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Even if Cammarano is elected to the judgeship he seeks, it is unclear that that would make him notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 07:23, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Dennis Brown - 22:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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NN hockey player, overwhelmingly fails WP:NHOCKEY, the creation of an editor with numerous such articles up at AfD. The fellow's a practice rink employee (according to the ref) who sat on the bench for a game as an emergency goalie but didn't see action. No sources that don't run afoul of WP:ONEEVENT, and guys like this come a few times each season ... completely ephemerally. Ravenswing 19:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: Fulfills WP:NHOCKEY: "Played one or more games in an existing or defunct top professional league." Hurrygane ( talk) 19:42, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Which, in point, he has not. It's long been established -- both by NHL rules and by WP precedent in such cases -- that if you don't take the ice during a game, you don't play, and you're not credited with having played. Ravenswing 00:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Fails for two reasons. 1) Ravenswing wrote: '"NN hockey player, overwhelmingly fails WP:NHOCKEY, the creation of an editor with numerous such articles up at AfD. The fellow's a practice rink employee (according to the ref) who sat on the bench for a game as an emergency goalie but didn't see action. No sources that don't run afoul of WP:ONEEVENT, and guys like this come a few times each season ... completely ephemerally." 2) Ravenswing also pointed out: "It's long been established -- both by NHL rules and by WP precedent in such cases -- that if you don't take the ice during a game, you don't play, and you're not credited with having played." So there is no possible way this guy is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article at this time. Dean Esmay ( talk) 03:11, 15 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep While it is true that there are a few guys like this every year, his coverage has gone beyond the norm: here, [25], and you can order his jersey which has sold well. It should be noted that someone who appeared for two different teams ( philadelphia as well) in one season can hardly be summed up by WP:ONEEVENT. 18abruce ( talk) 09:38, 15 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I'd dispute that his coverage has gone beyond the norm. How so? Zero news hits in the last fortnight. Ravenswing 23:44, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Well, he was included in the Topps trading card set. As this article points out it is an unusual situation and amount of attention given to an emergency backup. And again, maybe I am reading this ONEEVENT thing wrong, but does this mean that he applies to ONEEVENT twice? 18abruce ( talk) 09:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I can't really decide on this one whether ONEEVENT applies. During his call up with the Flyers as an emergency, they did try to get him on the ice at the very end of the game. However, he was called back to the bench by the refs because, officially, the emergency goalie can only play if all goaltenders are injured. So he would have had ice time had the rules not disallowed it. He did receive a fair amount of coverage for it, but they are borderline routine as "odd news". Yosemiter ( talk) 20:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Definitely a WP:ONEEVENT situation and since he didn't take the ice he doesn't meet WP:NHOCKEY. - DJSasso ( talk) 17:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - He got coverage for his day an emergency goalie for the Blackhawks, e.g., [26] [27], although that would be WP:ONEEVENT. But then he got coverage for getting an official Topps Hockey card [28], which puts him beyond a typical ONEEVENT hockey situation, although arguably ONEEVENT still applies since the hockey card was related to the day as an emergency goalie for the Blackhawks. But then he got more coverage for his day as an emergency goalie for the Flyers in April [29] [30] which was definitely a separate event from his Blackhawks event. And getting significant coverage for two events is more than one event so WP:ONEEVENT does not apply in this case ( Wikipedia:BLP2E, admittedly an essay not a guideline but relevant here). Rlendog ( talk) 22:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete. NHOKEY is still inferior to GNG, and it acknowledges it: "Q: If a sports figure meets the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean he/she does not have to meet the general notability guideline? A: No, the subject must still eventually meet the general notability guideline". The one-paragraph news like [31] or [32] don't, imho, constitute significant coverage. PS. Notability ~ importance. Nothing in those sources suggests he is important, those sources are pretty much as close as you can get to footnote coverage in the sport media. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:37, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Instagram. North America 1000 02:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Perhaps should be merged with Instagram. Doesn't seem to warrant separate article. bojo | talk 14:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete per G7, author blanked page RickinBaltimore ( talk) 13:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. I am unable to find any reliable sources on this product, besides the one already in the article. Searching for JovianDSS and JupiterDSS (its old name) bring up no possible sources. There are no possible redirect targets because the developer's article has also been deleted. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 11:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Keep it: The Software Solution is real and the last links added show information related to the Company. User:crys123 —Preceding undated comment added 01:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

@ Crys123: None of the sources in the article show why the topic is notable. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 02:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Nominator, having written WP:NRODEO, presumably knows what they are about. ♠ PMC(talk) 03:59, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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First AfD was not reviewed by members of Wikiproject Equine. This individual is completely non-notable... NRODEO is a guide, not a policy that trumps GNG. Montanabw (talk) 00:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete if she'd won the NFR, she'd be notable, but she just qualified, which a lot of people do. It's like competing on America's Got Talent versus winning the million dollars. White Arabian Filly Neigh 21:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Individual is non-notable. I am also from wiki project equine and knowledgeable about rodeo. One qualification for the NFR is non-notable in this case. NRODEO does not make notable here. If she was notable, perhaps the article would not be a few sentence stub. There are not enough sources or achievements. GNG is not met and trying to twist the definition does not make it so. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:06, 1 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep She meets WP:NRODEO. While it is correct that it does not trump GNG, it is a guideline that creates a presumption. Therefore we presume sources exist unless given a valid reason otherwise. Her qualification was 9 years ago. Online, that is a long time. A Google search for "2008 National Finals Rodeo" and "2008 NFR" yields only about 3,500 collective results results while a search for "2016 National Finals Rodeo" and "2016 NFR" collectively yields about 25,000 collective results. I think the presumption is not just the coverage received by competing at the NFR, but the results that got a cowboy/cowgirl there (e.g., the rodeos they won that season and the coverage in newspapers and the like that those wins produced). Is anyone really going to go to the medium-sized town newspaper archives from a decade ago to determine if there is coverage? No. If this were for a 2015 or 2016 qualifier, I would think a show cause would be fair. But due to the age of this subjects top athletic prime, I think we need to have the presumption carry weight. And as a reminder, the community of editors came up with the guideline to give the presumption - the stance that this is on par to competing on America's Got Talent and only winners are notable goes directly against what the editors established as the guideline. GNG does trump, but when GNG is not able to be reasonable assessed, as is the case here, then we should follow the wishes of the community of editors and keep. RonSigPi ( talk) 23:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment After my comment above, I decided to research this a bit further. Rodeo season runs Oct-Sept with the exception of the NFR in Dec. Winning the Caldwell Nights Rodeo produced this result that is in the article [33]. I think that is a quality source. So I checked the rodeo association archives to see what else she won the year she qualifier for the NFR:
  • Texas Circuit Finals [34]
  • Mesquite, TX [35]
  • Stephenville, TX [36]
  • Pecos, TX [37]
  • Window Rock, AZ [38]
  • Rock Springs, WY [39]
  • Abilene, KS [40]
  • Bakersfield, CA [41]
  • San Bernardino, CA [42]
So there were a total of ten wins that season (counting Caldwell). If Caldwell produced the result that we can find, I think we can presume at least some of these other rodeos would produce similar results if someone whet through the local newspaper archives. Also, the Texas Circuit Finals and the Window Rock, AZ rodeo had prize funds similar to Caldwell, so if nothing else we can be confident that three sources exist - one for each of those rodeos. We have the presumption and the facts line up that the sources exist. RonSigPi ( talk) 02:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: RonSigPi, Guess what? I wrote much of what is now at NRODEO, shepherded through the changes, and I am quite familiar with the topic of rodeo. I actually am generally an inclusionist, but I really didn't see significant coverage here when I did my WP:BEFORE. Here's what we have:
  1. She qualified for the NFR once, nine years ago, and placed 10th. She's done nothing since.
  2. While I agree that this source fits the standard of "significant coverage in a third-party source independent of the subject", that's not quite enough, standing alone. You may want to read WP:HEY because, bottom line, the article in its present state is not going to cut it. If she had been covered -- say, articles like "favored person's horse tripped and she came in 10th, what a tragedy", that might be coverage sufficient to convey notability. Or, if she has articles profiling her in a "Barrel Racing News" magazine, that would help too. Or if she'd qualified 5 years in a row -- or ... something more!
  3. Unfortunately, "We can probably find sources somewhere, someday, and until then, we keep" is, sad to say, not what works at AfD, at least for people in the modern age (for a pre-google age person who was famous in, say, the 1960s, one or two articles plus stats might cut it, but not in the 2000s).
  4. While the NSPORTS "qualifying for the highest national-level event" is a well-known standard across multiple sports, GNG still must be met. WP:N is policy; NRODEO is a guideline--it explains to the uninitiated editor which rodeos are considered the nationally significant ones.
  5. For notability, passing mentions in statistics charts don't cut it. The wnba stats verify information, but they do not, even collectively, get you to "Significant coverage" -- which "is more than a trivial mention". (per GNG: "more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material")
  6. Compare to her father's article that you worked on, note I did NOT AfD it, because though it is a poor-quality stub, his accomplishments qualify, and there is enough evidence that there is more coverage to be found.
  7. WP:GNG states, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." Note the "if". So the burden is on you to find the actual source material -- the number of qualifying wins are irrelevant, the issue is if these wins got enough coverage to warrant a stand-alone article per GNG: ""Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject should be included." -- discussion may prove otherwise.
  8. There are few hits for Fryar -- the only thing I found at WP:BEFORE that is more that a stats sheet is this commercial endorsement that is, at best, pretty weak. When you search "Wrangler NFR" and "Stephanie Fryar" and Barrel racing (which I needed to do to filter out all the other people named Stephanie Fryar), I got 188 hits, most of which were lists of stats. Now if you want to check my search results and see if you have significant coverage , go for it. My mind can be changed if you find more sources like the Caldwell news piece, but so far, I'm not convinced. Montanabw (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was No consensus. ( non-admin closure) Jax 0677 ( talk) 19:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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While tragic, this particular individual doesn't meet WP:GNG, a case of WP:BIO1E. Onel5969 TT me 01:47, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. Has multiple sources from major news outlets. For example: These news outlets: Pakistan Today, The Nation and The Express Tribune. Amnesty International reported on this matter. Excellent story element in terms of article. Justice was fought for hard and very dramatically. Article indicates: "Hakimzadi and Zaibunissa, had to set themselves on fire in order to get authorities to take up their brothers cases", Knox490 ( talk) 02:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment - all of which deal with a single issue, hence WP:BIO1E. Onel5969 TT me 02:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - the press coverage is on the incident, not on the subject. The incident doesn't makes the subject notable enough to warrant an entry on Wikipedia. Mai Jindo clearly fails to meet basic notability guidelines. -- Saqib ( talk) 13:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Knox490. Mar4d ( talk) 13:18, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Comment - and still does not address the WP:BIO1E issue. Onel5969 TT me 03:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Seems to pass WP:GNG. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 04:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet WP:ENT and it is WP:TOOSOON, her role in Chaika, Isuca, Maken-ki are all supporting or minor characters. Maybe one major role in Date A Live II, but that's about it. AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 03:22, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. She has a decent work history and in the external link section I saw that she is listed in the Anime News Network which is a major news website for anime. I just found a IMDB page for her which I will add to the article in the external link section. Knox490 ( talk) 04:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
IMDb is not a reliable source. Boomer Vial Holla! We gonna ball! 05:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Her roles apparently are mainly supporting (I'm not sure, the only show of hers that I've actually watched so far is Date A Live), but given that those roles include roles in anime where she is among the show's theme song singers, perhaps those roles aren't as minor as you think. She also performed the opening theme for Triage X; although the single charted poorly (peaked at #92 on the weeklies), it did receive some coverage, such as this. Admittedly, coverage for her isn't spectacular (some sources include this, as well as this interview with her and a fellow voice actress), but there does appear to be just enough coverage, and enough roles, to establish notability. If consensus determines that she is not notable, I would suggest a redirect to Date A Live. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 13:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Is there something besides Date A Live that the person is notable for? I see only one single ranked at #111 in Oricon [43] and no albums [44]. This wouldn't be enough to keep. AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 16:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
How about Sky Wizards Academy? She's listed eighth out of eight among the main characters? Is that enough? AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 16:34, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Passing WP:ENTERTAINER is somewhat questionable due to a lack of main roles (I'd say maybe she passes it, but barely). But it seems she does clearly pass WP:GNG for the coverage she's received in Japanese sources. Then Natalie and Animate Times hits seem promising. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 00:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. postdlf ( talk) 00:55, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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Orphan article, just a few random cherry picked incidents. No other university has its own "affirmative action" subpage, which has me convinced that this is some kind of point-making exercise. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 04:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. I agree with Ten Pound Hammer. I think there should be consistency across university article subpages. Maybe there is some reference source which rates how well colleges/universities uphold their affirmative action obligations and this could be cited in the university articles themselves if they substantially deviate from the norm. Knox490 ( talk) 04:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • I don't find part of this argument to be at all compelling: no other university has its own affirmative action article so this shouldn't. It's WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST. There may well be a case to be made against this article, but I'm not going to support deletion based on "consistency across university article subpages." Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 10:43, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: I just wanted to drop a note that this is part of a school assignment, so if this is deleted and the teacher needs it for grading, can this be returned to the userspace? Also, is it possible that this could be merged into its own subsection in the main article for the school? It's mentioned there, but there's enough here to where this could probably justify its own subsection at least. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 05:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Thanks for your work. Sorry to see your hard work treated this way. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 03:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Ditto. I have expressed concerns about the nominator's behaviour and grasp of policy at Afds past -- but I won't revisit them here. We shall see what we shall see: the matter is far from settled. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I could find plenty of sources on any random topic. Just because you find several instances of something happening, does not mean that the "happening" is notable. This is just randomly cherry picked. It's an example farm. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 05:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I don't understand how that is relevant to the application of our notability requirement here. If the subject has multiple independent secondary sources, then it generally meets our notability standard. Are you suggesting we change that standard? If so, probably better to raise that at WP:GNG rather than here. If you believe it does not meet the notability standards, please state exactly how it fails, rather than make up your own standard. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 05:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Grutter v. Bollinger, Gratz v. Bollinger and Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action are notable cases that have had articles on them for some time. The article creator has incorporated them into a referenced article that discusses the school's history with affirmative action within a larger context, particularly the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative, which bans affirmative action in the state. The clash between affirmative action at one of the country's leading universities and the state measure's prohibition of same is vitally important, notable, and referenced. So this is not a "random topic" being explored. Something socially and historically important is happening in Michigan and it's right and proper to have an article on it, if it meets WP:N + V, which it does. Keep. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:48, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep It is notable per WP:GNG - UMichigan's affirmative action program is covered extensively in secondary sources because of the legal history. These cases are major landmark United States Supreme Court cases. They are referred to as The Michigan Affirmative Action Cases in peer reviewed journals. It is hard to overstate the importance of Grutter and Gratz - I ran a search for Grutter in HeinOnline and got 6,059 hits. I think it may seem random for those who aren't familiar with American constitutional law but Grutter is not cherry picking, establishing diversity as a compelling interest in affirmative action cases was huge Seraphim System ( talk) 01:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete If anything maybe a mention in the University of Michigan article as to affirmative action at UM- but doesn't warrant having it's own subpage. Cllgbksr ( talk) 13:17, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I had essentially the same thought as Seraphim--even if most schools' affirmative action programs don't warrant articles, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have pages for the ones that have attracted such significant legal action and secondary source commentary. One could easily make a very worthwhile encyclopedia page for the University of Texas's affirmative action program, along the same lines. Passes GNG and the spirit behind it at WP:WHYN: we have plenty of sources to write a substantial, balanced encyclopedia entry. (It shouldn't need saying but keep in mind too that notability inheres in the topic, not the entry: if we even began to list all the journal articles relevant to this entry, we'd truly drown in citations. Whether or not they've yet been added to the entry doesn't bear on AfD.) Innisfree987 ( talk) 00:11, 29 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. apparent consensus DGG ( talk ) 01:57, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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This is an author who appears to have produced only self-published works. Admittedly one of those works has received notable attention, and he produced a film that premiered at a notable indie film event, but I am not seeing WP:NAUTHOR criteria being met. Still WP:TOOSOON. Because notability is not inherited, a notable book does not automatically confer notability on its author. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 05:27, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: I have removed the IMDB reference and added valid references to this page [1] which show that the film referenced screened at more than one festival (Arpa). The film also appears to show at Valley film festival [2], and at Cannes film festival [3]. The creation of multiple notable works should make this author notable Victory1996 ( talk) 07:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC) Victory1996 ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

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You don't seem to understand the deletion rationale above. The fact that his short film has been merely screened anywhere does not make him notable. Exactly what part of WP:NAUTHOR does this person meet? Exactly where is the significant coverage of this person (not one or two of his works) in reliable independent sources? ~ Anachronist ( talk) 07:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete WP:NOTSOAPBOX and also delete his novel Splintered: A Political Fairy Tale (novel). A book needs a minimum of 3 reviews to merit a page based on review alone, and I'm not at all sure Pub Weekly and Kirkus count. this book, however, although published in 2015 - which should have made it easy to search for, appears to have sunk with barely a ripple. His indy film got into a couple of film festivals, but there appears to have been no coverage of either the film or the book. Here's a google search on the book title: [45], on the film title: Rain + "Thomas London" [46], and a gNews search on "Thomas London" [47]. We should delete him and his book. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 17:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Oh, gosh, just noticed that I had run a quick search and quick opinon on this last week. Had forgottenthat completely when I spotted it today while looking at the list of Author-related deletions. I stand behind both of my opinions, but I guess I'll s the shorter one. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:00, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. North America 1000 03:17, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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A self-published chart, which does not contain any third party notability, nor does it contain any concrete methodology. I tried to search somewhere reliable where SloTop50 is mentioned, turns out that even the IFPI does not recognize it. — IB [ Poke ] 05:29, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Before declaring my preference I'd like to point out there are five lists of SloTop50 singles from years 2013-2017 plus a template (below). Should these be including in this debate as well? Ajf773 ( talk) 10:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The methodology is clear for me, as it is an airplay chart, it just counts all the songs played on the monitored radio stations. Having the SAZAS backing the chart is more than many charts here on en-WP are able to. And I found some reception of the chart, but only domestic newspapers. It doesn't look like the chart is well-known outside of the country... [48], [49], [50], [51], [52]
My proposal: keep the chart, but move it to Slo Top 50 as this one is more recognized, as is seems. -- Ali1610 ( talk) 12:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. The article needs a merciless cleanup, and especially requires someone to insert its single best argument for notability -- the XXL reference pointed out by DA1. But first and foremost the article needs to be moved from its patently ridiculous name to something more appropriate per WP:MOS. I may do that myself after finishing the close. A Train talk 11:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

The Worlds Freshest (Dj.Fresh)

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. The article uses self-published sources and blogs to support notability. Reliable secondary sources make trivial mention to the musician, and a search online for secondary sources brought back more trivial mention. I have been unable to confirm the claim that Miracle & Nightmare on 10th Street ever charted. Magnolia677 ( talk) 13:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Keep On a very quick online search on the artist I was able to find 3 sources [53], [54], [55] that meet WP:MUSICBIO #1. Though the current article is not well sourced—probably due to inexperience from the author—I don't feel there was enough research before requesting its deletion: it could still be worked upon Wapunguissa ( talk) 15:02, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
The first two sources you listed are interviews, which are considered primary sources. WP:GNG states that sources should be secondary. Magnolia677 ( talk) 17:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Keep The article needs some work, a lot of cleanup, but the subject is 'notable' enough. He was recently included on XXL magazine's 30 of the Best Hip-Hop Producers of 2016 [56], should be noted. – DA1 ( talk) 04:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply


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  • Comment WP:NMUSIC #1 criteria I cited earlier says "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." It refers "independent" in the sense of "The published works must be someone else writing about the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist, or their works." On the links I gave The Fader, and Noisey are independed publications, and they found the subject notable enough to write about him and interview him. They are not self-released they are top music publications. The fact that those are interviews and thus "primary source" is another issue. Wikipedia:Interviews says interviews may countain both primary and secondary sources. Secondary sources is when the interviewer talks about the artist, and both "interviews" do have a small introduction where they do. The third article—which was not contested—is by XXL (magazine) which is on of the main hip-hop publications in the US---one of the main publications in the subject's field finds him notable enough to write about him: I still defend keep Wapunguissa ( talk) 22:59, 23 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. If anyone wishes to merge any of this content to the Boka article, please advise and I will retrieve it. ♠ PMC(talk) 04:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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A promotional article about a chef, by an obvious WP:COI WP:SPA, Shelbeyboka ( talk · contribs). The subject is conceivably notable, and some content might end up at Boka (restaurant), but any article should be (re-)written by a non-COI editor in a non-promotional tone.  Sandstein  15:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge to Boka (restaurant), which is notable. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 04:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. and do not merge. According to the article on the restaurant, its notability isbased on the work of another chef, their Executive Chef Lee Wolen, about whom we might need an article. Bohm was just one of the founders, and not otherwise important. DGG ( talk ) 01:56, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Dennis Brown - 22:24, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

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Likely a WP:HOAX. No reliable sources to indicate that Spacetoon has a branch / subsidiary in India. The website listed on this page does not exist. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 11:43, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

This also needs to be deleted. List of programs broadcast by Spacetoon (Pakistan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shinnosukeandme ( talkcontribs) 11:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: I don't think the article is a hoax, e.g., Business Standard has covered a channel named "Spacetoon Kids TV". I can't comment on its notability though. — Stringy Acid ( talk) 20:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC) reply
That article is about the Indian version, not the supposed Pakistani version. Nothing about an Pakistani version can be found on the internet except in this article.-- Shinnosukeandme ( talk) 05:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Both – Spacetoon India is not a hoax, and no rationale for deletion has been provided for the List of programs broadcast by Spacetoon (Pakistan) article, other than a subjective notion that it "needs to be deleted". Spacetoon India meets WP:CORPDEPTH. See source examples below. Also, it is possible that this company is not affiliated with Spacetoon, and exists as a standalone company. I added citation needed templates in the article accordingly and renamed the article to Spacetoon India. I also added a comment on the article's talk page regarding this matter. North America 1000 03:33, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
List of programs broadcast by Spacetoon (Pakistan) doesn't have any references at all. Besides that, there's no references that Spacetoon Pakistan even exists. If you read your references you will see that nowhere it's being referred to as TV channel but just as a licensing company.-- Shinnosukeandme ( talk) 04:02, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Article was created by a hoaxer who was blocked right off (the behavior of edit summaries featuring only the page title in question has quickly become a hoaxer trademark). It's too poorly written, the network has no .in website (there's this site, but it looks like it dates back to 2011 and might only be a 'proof of concept' site) and all three sources listed by NA1000 aren't neutral, but are likely paid stories. I don't believe this channel exists and we're just being spun in circles by an IP hoaxer. At minimum this article needs a complete WP:TNT from a trusted editor if the network is indeed real, but this is likely yet another 'invented network' from India. Nate ( chatter) 04:44, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep both as there is obviously WP:RS for Spacetoon India, and per arguments by Northamerica1000. Please don't file frivolous WP:AfD proposals that clearly have WP:RS. Please do you due diligence. A simple Google search of Spacetoon India gives the Business Standard article and Bloomberg mentions it here. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Beware of Darkness (band). Kurykh ( talk) 03:29, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Beware of Darkness discography

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Discography page is under 5kB, and artist page is just over 11 kB, which are not prohibitive lengths per WP:SIZE nor MOS:DISCOGRAPHY. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 12:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Reply - @ Michig:, I tried to {{ PROD}} the article, however, that got reverted, stating "The information on this page is needed because the discography section on the band's article is for studio albums only". Without a record of decision, my merge could easily be reverted before the article and its discography grow sufficiently. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 17:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 05:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Extreme performance art

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Article has no citations, and is a subjective "sub-category" of Performance art listing artists that have not made major contributions to the genre. Netherzone ( talk) 00:49, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - recall that notability depends on the existence of sources, not what's in the article. The subject is covered in reliable sources such as Newsweek at some length. It seems to be quite something in Contemporary China, also covered in HuffPost, and in Russia. Not to everybody's taste but definitely notable. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 13:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: I have very little interest in art, but could tell you what extreme performance art was without having to look at the page. That and the popular press sources I've found make me convinced of its WP:Notability. My gut instinct is that its own article is warranted rather than attempting to merge with performance art, though a discussion could be had. If kept it does need to be better integrated into Wikipedia; it is not, for example, featured in the relevant Navboxes. PriceDL ( talk) 00:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep – Meets GNG, perhaps on a somewhat weaker level, per a source review and my own online searches. I have added references and citations to the article. North America 1000 03:47, 4 May 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:38, 5 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Diogenis D. Valavanidis

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I found no significant coverage and the three organizations that he is a part of have no articles. SL93 ( talk) 01:01, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: GNews actually showed nothing meaningful to add failing GNG and BIO. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 01:21, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Borderline keep. He has received decent coverage in Serbian mainstream press for his activities on Serbian and Greek cultural heritage:
    • "Diogenis Valavanidis receives Order of the Serbian Orthodox Church". Serbian Orthodox Church. 26 September 2013.
    • "Neobični Beograđani: Grk u potrazi za svetinjama". Večernje Novosti. 23 November 2013.
    • "Nasilje je postalo jače od istorije" [Violence became stronger than history]. Svedok. 7 February 2017.
    • "Otvoren novi muzej Akropolja" [New Acropolis Museum Opens]. Politika. 20 June 2009. (only brief statement of his)
That being said, there is not much more than that in the mainstream press, other than occasional mention or statement by his. He seems to be currently a secretary of the Serbian embassy in Hungary [57], so he receives some coverage for activities there [58]. No such user ( talk) 14:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 20:25, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply

Nebojša Todorović

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Apparently fails WP:NACADEMIC. PROD removed w/o comment. — swpb T 13:26, 16 April 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: The PROD wasn't exactly removed without comment – the editor who removed it suggested we expand the article by translating from Serbian Wikipedia. The Serbian article appears to be completely unreferenced, though, so I don't think that would help in establishing notability. It would be good to get the opinion of someone who can read Serbian. -- Deskford ( talk) 14:02, 16 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Do NOT delete. The article is improved and will be additionally improved in the following days. Andrija ( talk) 13:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I am a native speaker of Serbo-Croatian, and was able to check the sources. I don't see anything particularly outstanding in the subject's biography that would suggest passing of WP:NACADEMIC. Yeah, Todorović is/was a professor of musicology on a couple of musical faculties and high schools in south Serbia, presided or was an advisor on a number of minor festivals or local cultural institutions, and wrote a musical critic here and there. pretty much par for a course of a typical academic career. Sourcing in the article is barrel-scraping, with multiple sources repeated, and multiple passing mentions listed. I'm particularly unimpressed with the subject's written bibliography on his official curriculum page [59], which consists of one monograph from 1981 and one work on Mozart's sonatas from 2007. That's pretty little output for a one of the leading musicologists and music theorists in Serbia. No such user ( talk) 10:24, 18 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Let me try to clarify some things:

“one of the leading musicologists and music theorist in Serbia” was a quotation from an independent source.

Todorović has taught at two universities in Serbia, of five that currently offer education in the field of music, and presented lectures at conferences organized by additional two universities.

Niš is the second largest city in Serbia [60], with the university, electronic industry, airport, symphony orchestra, youth philharmonic orchestra, etc., and several festivals, including the international choir festival of which Todorović was an artistic director and selector.That choir festival has a long tradition and is well known in Serbia (and not only in Serbia); as it was mentioned in one of the sources, last year it was reviewed by three well-known musicologists from Belgrade, including those from the national radio station Radio Belgrade. It is not a minor festival. Festivals in Leskovac and Vranje maybe don’t have such a long tradition, but are well organized and attract high quality participants, what can be easily verified any musician who reads their programs. We shouldn’t judge the quality of some institution or manifestation by its location, but by the quality of people included in it. There’s no reason to underestimate those in south Serbia. (And just to emphasize that I don’t live in those towns, nor am I affiliated with those festivals in any way.) Serbia is too small country to have some significant differences between its regions.

It is normal that somebody who lives and works in south Serbia (south-eastern actually) focuses his activities in that area, but Todorović had activities in other parts of Serbia as well. Invitations to give public lectures on the national radio station in Belgrade, to review a book published in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, present a scientific paper in the Serbian Republic, review a festival in Montenegro and publish reviews in their major newspaper certainly suggest his notability in the region.

As for his CV at the University of Niš’s website (published in 2013 and obviously not updated): in contrast to some Western countries, in Serbia Commission for Accreditation and Quality Assurance doesn’t require or allow professors to write their complete CV as a part of documentation reviewed in the process of accreditation. In order to prove his/her competency to teach certain subject(s), one has to list “at least five, not more than ten” most important publications/concerts/exhibitions…, depending on the scientific/artistic area, so, only examples, as Todorović probably did. And those works mentioned in his CV, presented at the scientific conferences organized by the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts (SANU) in Belgrade – the highest scientific and artistic institution in the country, or by Matica srpska in Novi Sad, almost equally important institution in north Serbia, are without doubt significant; Mokranjčevi dani (The Days of Mokranjac) in Negotin is a manifestation with a long tradition, attended by numerous musicologists and performers.

Complete CV with bibliography and proofs is submitted only when one applies for a position at the university. The complete documentation is then reviewed by at least three professors from the same scientific/artistic area, from different universities, in the same or higher rank than those for which a candidate applies. I don’t know who reviewed Todorovic’s work, but they all had to be full professors of Musicology or Music theory, probably from the Faculty of Musical Arts in Belgrade and to give positive review and recommendation for his appointment into the rank of full professor. I suppose that they wouldn’t give such recommendation if they weren’t sure that he was qualified for that position and academic rank. Andrija ( talk) 10:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC) reply

Nobody here is saying that Todorović is not qualified for his position. However, just being a full professor of a university is not a sufficient achievement to earn him a Wikipedia article – WP:NACADEMIC bar is much higher than that, requiring research [of] significant impact; a highly prestigious academic award, or similar, and in the case of Todorović I just don't see it. Writing several papers for journal and conferences, and a textbook or a monograph is pretty par for the course for a full professor, and I don't see any "significant impact" there, even considering the full list at Serbian Wikipedia. Festivals such as Mokranjac Days in Negotin or Choir Festival in Niš (where he participated only as an art director, not as a founder or something), regardless of tradition, in my book qualify as "minor", as they are of regional importance and hardly world-rank events. And such activities (jurist or art director of a festival, writer of an occasional critic) are certainly expected for someone on a high academic position. No such user ( talk) 11:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: WP:ACADEMIC is a supplement to WP:GNG, not something that supercedes it. GNG is met, and notability established. There's a fair bit of puffery in style that requires copyediting, but these folks in the Liberal Arts fields are not going to some up with the same types of publications as someone in the hard sciences nor will they get the popular coverage of rockstars. Here, we have numerous sources from third-party publications and I think this is more than adequate, particularly when you add in the national awards. WP:GNG is met. Montanabw (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    However, Montanabw, I don't see GNG satisfied. When one digs deeper into the apparently impressive list of 36 references, and removes about a half of duplicated entries, it turns out to be more or less a digest of Google results about the subject – every school, festival or forum where he participated and where he got a passing mention is duly used as a reference. The sources that go any deeper into his biography aren't really independent – those are Vranje Piano Summer festival brochure, where he held a lecture about Skryabin, its rehash on the same festival, where he held a lecture on Gilels, and his faculty CV. No independent press, magazines, interviews. And I'm also concerned about Zero hits at Google books (the few hits are about another person) – even taking into account systemic bias, books in Serbo-Croatian tend to be at least indexed by Google, and there's nothing here. No such user ( talk) 08:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
    I am hesitant to delete these non-English bios of folks in Eastern Europe because newspaper coverage and such may not be age-of-Google. I see a combination of academic accomplishment and musicianship. The "how many peer reviewed papers did he publish?" standard of NACADEMIC works for the hard sciences, but is not an adequate way to rank people in the arts. Here, we look to a multitude of different accomplishments, and even if some sources are duplicative, we err on the side of a presumption of notability until established otherwise, and here I think it's on the keep side of the line. But, of course, you have the right to disagree with my position on this matter, I've said my piece and I'm not interested in a lot of further debate, it will go as it goes, so am also taking this off my watchlist. Montanabw (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | prattle _ 00:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: I am persuaded by the arguments of "No such user". I am not persuaded by the argument that "we err on the side of a presumption of notability until established otherwise". Even if that were true, the presumption in this case has been removed by the evidence of this academic's low rate of publication and recognition within the field of musicology. Given the paucity of this scholar's impact, the article could only be justified were there a rule on Wikipedia that every academic gets an article. That cannot possibly be the case. Syek88 ( talk) 07:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete nothing to suggest he passes notability for academics, and the coverage of his other activities is not enough to pass GNG. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Significant press coverage. And if he is notable enough for the Serbian Wikipedia then surely he is notable enough for the English version. We have little enough coverage of Serbia. Rathfelder ( talk) 21:44, 3 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. meets neither WP PROF or the possible alternative WP:MUSIC. Most of the writings discussed at great length here are just articles and reviews, with only one book. I consider only the frWP and the deWP to have sufficient notability requirements that articles of national-relatedsubjects in them are almost certainly notable here also. (possibly nl also, but I haven't happened to notice many where it's applicable). Other languages much less so, even other major European languages. DGG ( talk ) 01:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, I am not convinced by the argument that this person has significant press coverage; while the number of sources is impressive, most if not all are either not independent, or are mere mentions of the article subject. This doesn't mean that their scholarship doesn't have value, simply that we don't have enough significant and neutral information to write a proper biography of them. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 04:13, 6 May 2017 (UTC). reply
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