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Keep. I get over a million ghits for "dessert pizza",
[1] (your results may vary) so it's a common name for something. There's room for expansion but this is at least a start, and will get readers to what little information we do have. Help expanding to an article, or adding articles perhaps on
choc chip pizza,
apple dessert pizza or
raspberry dessert pizza welcome. Alternatively I can reformat it as a stub, but a DAB seemed more appropriate at this stage as we do have information which might otherwise be missed.
Andrewa (
talk) 08:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Pizza after creating a section there for sweet pizzas. There is no mention on that page of "chocolate" or "fruit", as yet, not even a "See also". There should be a section on sweet/dessert pizzas (however sacrilegious they may be considered) in that main Pizza article.
PamD 12:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Pizza per PamD. "Dessert pizza" is a wildly diverse concept where you can get creative with your favorite
dessert and favorite
pizza style, not something you can really have a cohesive article on – the links above are just food bloggers' recipes, not reliable sources that discuss the topic as a whole and could be used here. I like how there's a whole section at
Fruit_pizza#Controversy saying that the only resemblance it has to pizza is the round shape (recipes there being more of a topped
Cookie cake). Alternatively,
Chocolate pizza could be moved and formatted to cover multiple dessert-type toppings, but I don't think there should be a third article in this space just because you can make an apple pie or raspberry pie on a pizza crust instead of a pie crust (the recipes above would fit into these extant pages anyway!).
Reywas92Talk 15:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
the disambiguation does not explain how the term at all relates to the two entries. I could see canada, but a church cantoris? it just doesn't seem right.
Gaismagorm (
talk) 19:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Can. Add
Cantoris there only after adding a sourced mention of this in the target article.
PamD 11:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
OK, fell down the rabbit hole: abbreviation is now mentioned and sourced in
Cantoris. Have also rejigged the
Can dab page to separate out the two abbreviations.
PamD 12:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Only one legitimate entry for spoilage. I've transferred the most numerous entries to
Spoiled. Articles could easily be written (and should) about spoilage in business and of food in its place.
Clarityfiend (
talk) 02:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep, I have added a source at
Tampering with evidence for
Spoilage of evidence being used as an alternative name for this concept (which immediately came to mind when I saw the term, and was a surprising omission), and have added that to the disambiguation page.
BD2412T 02:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Disambiguation page with a clear primary topic and one other recently created and comparatively niche topic. I propose to delete this page, redirect the title to
European Federation, which covers this concept, and add a hatnote there.
BD2412T 23:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete The political entity on this dab is not much more than political aedvertising. No elections, no seats. For the rest: as by the nominator. The Bannertalk 00:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The history itself can always be moved under a different title.
BD2412T 16:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
User:BD2412 sure, but that seems to be needless extra work since the result is that instead of simply targeting A from B you first move B to some other title C before targeting A with both, what's the point?
2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:E493:D84:28E3:D006 (
talk) 17:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I see what you're saying. I have no problem with this being maintained as a redirect to
European Federation with the current history intact; it should not exist as a disambiguation page.
BD2412T 17:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Just to make the above clear following the relist since I never explicitly bolded anything, I support redirecting to
European Federation as the primary topic at present with any necessary disambiguation being accomplished with hatnoting.
2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:49B:2883:34FC:225B (
talk) 15:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose deletion, unless "European Federation" (rather an awkward name, especially the capitalised "F") is moved to "United State of Europe". --
Checco (
talk) 14:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 22:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This disambiguation page doesn't really seem to have a use, given it only contains two subjects, Sefirot and Sephiroth, which can easily have a hatnote at the top of their articles to accomplish the same disambiguation purpose. Given that Sephiroth is the name, and not Sefirot, which is only a similar sounding word, I'd suggest reclassing Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) to just Sephiroth, and then keeping the hatnote that leads to Sefirot in the case that someone is looking for the concept. Overall, though, this page seems unneeded.
Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (
talk) 00:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete:
WP:ONEOTHER and
WP:DABPARTIAL. Unnecessary disambiguation page that can be resolved with a hatnote. Nothing else can logically be added to this. Agree with nom that Sephiroth is clearly the primary topic of the name so that article should be moved to Sephiroth without the disambiguator as well. StreetcarEnjoyer(talk) 01:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep According to
WikiNav there is no primary topic, and in fact more clicks go to Sefirot than the FF character. Therefore despite it seeming "obvious" to video game fans, it clearly has a different meaning to the greater public.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 04:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The primary topic for Sephiroth is not Sefirot, regardless of the relative pageviews. While they may be transliterating the same Hebrew term--and I'm not sure that's actually been established without looking into the FF character--similar but different names and content is exactly what hatnotes are for, isn't it?
Jclemens (
talk) 04:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Britannica clearly says that "Sephiroth" is an alternate name for Sefirot. I think it's highly likely the FF character's name was based on said mythology, also given the naming of
Jenova, which resembles a certain Biblical name of God. Knowing this, both Sefirot and the FF character are viable topics for the term, and a DAB page is required.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 06:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Addendum: I also support redirect to Sefirot with a hatnote per longterm significance if that would allow for a consensus.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 09:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ. No primary topic so
WP:ONEOTHER is satisfied by keeping the page. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete Redirect to Sefirot per ONEOTHER. If Sefirot is indeed the primary target, per ZXC, then Sephiroth should be deleted and become a redirect to Sefirot. There's no policy support for a two-page DAB.
Axem Titanium (
talk) 18:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I never said Sefirot was the primary target, but that there was no primary, though it might be arguable that Sefirot is primary by the longterm significance criterion. In that case, though, deletion is unnecessary, a primary redirect can simply be made. The main thing I am certain of is that the video game character is not primary, so there is zero scenario in which deletion of this page is merited.
DABs can certainly be 2 pages if there is no clear meaning of the word.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 18:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
True, changed position. Saving thousands of people a DAB click per month is an end unto itself.
Axem Titanium (
talk) 18:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete and move Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) to here per nom. That's honestly the most logical choice.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk) 03:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Kung Fu Man: Do you have a response to the WikiNav information showing that more people click through to Sefirot than to the FF character from here? Because it seems to indicate that making the character primary is the illogical choice.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 05:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Zxcvbnm: It could also be a sake of curiosity and is the top result Zx. I mean I know if I was looking up Sephiroth and the first thing I saw was that my curiosity would be piqued.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk) 06:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Let's say that I had a gut feeling that 95% of the visitors to this page were actually looking for the religious term, but got distracted by the FF character and curiously clicked on that link instead. It might sound ludicrous, but if I asked for evidence to refute it, there is none. The only thing we know for certain is the relative pageviews, therefore similarly, that argument cannot be confirmed.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 07:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Zx you asked a question and I gave a response. Even WikiNav seems to indicate most of the results are coming from a search result. In any event, I'm standing by my decision on this. Even a basic search result on Google indicates that the fictional character is the primarily subject.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk) 12:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. After thinking about this a bit, this request is in essence a request to move
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) to
Sephiroth although it is presented in the guise of discussing deletion of a redirect disambiguation page. As disambiguation is necessary, whether with through hatnotes or a disambiguation page, this page cannot be deleted until there is consensus to move established with a transparent and properly listed MOVE discussion (not through a backdoor AfD). And the watchers of
Sephirot should be notified of the discussion.
older ≠
wiser 17:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'm also OK with redirecting this to
Sephirot with a hatnote to the Final Fantasy character. However, that same redirect was previously changed to a disambiguation page in
this discussion. Pinging the participants:
Steel1943,
Dream Focus,
Havradim.
older ≠
wiser 17:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:ONEOTHER. The disambiguation can be achieved with a hat note. Yes, I copied Shooterwalker. The hatnote will redirect people just as easily or as well as this unnecessary twodab. Unless someone can provide evidence this is an actual alternate name/spelling for Sefirot and not simply a similar word, the character should be moved over it. I do see its noted as a transliteration in the lead, which my eyes refused to register earlier. --
ferret (
talk) 14:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. I guess hat note does work. 🥒
Greenish Pickle!🥒 (
🔔) 22:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. There's already a hatnote, and it would make sense to have one. Basically saying "delete per
WP:ONEOTHER."
TWOrantulaTM (
enter the web) 01:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment These delete arguments do not address the
WP:SURPRISE issue when people - actually most searchers - are looking for a religious term and land on a Final Fantasy character. While the DAB page may not technically be required,
WP:ONEOTHER is specifically for when a primary topic exists. The FF character is in no way a primary topic for this term.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 17:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep - while Sephirot is the usual English transliteration in Jewish
Kabbalah, Sephiroth is the most common transliteration in
Hermetic Qabalah for the same topic. Therefore a dab page should be maintained. Alternatively, redirect to Sephirot with a hatnote for the FF character.
Skyerise (
talk) 19:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment should Sefirot be deemed the primary topic, I'm fine with Sefirot instead being the primary redirect. However, the article should have a hatnote leading to the video game character given the similar titles. In any case, the disambig page is unnecessary given this can just be handled by hatnotes.
Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (
talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect Sephiroth to Sefirot and add a hatnote to game character. Sefirot is the primary topic per
WP:PT2 due to "long-term significance". --
Mika1h (
talk) 20:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to Sefirot with a hatnote for
Sephiroth. I feel like this isn't a Mario situation, where the character is so big that they get priority over the name. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk) 22:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: In order to move
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) to
Sephiroth. Redirecting this to
Sefirot because it doesn't seem that likely of a spelling mistake, and the current two disambiguation targets get around the same # of views. Cleo Cooper (
talk) 06:01, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
My mistake, it's not a spelling error. I still think
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) should be moved here, and a hatnote can be added for
Sefirot. Cleo Cooper (
talk) 06:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This is not about
what first comes to mind, but about what is correct in policy. Moving the page clearly isn't.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 09:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
ToadetteEdit! 21:19, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Sefirot, add a hatnote for
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy), I don't think Sephiroth would get priority over the name due to Sefirot having significantly more long term significance than the character.-
Samoht27 (
talk) 21:19, 23 April 2024
Comment: For what it's worth, straight-up "delete" is not applicable here since the title refers to at least one existent subject. (Otherwise, I do not have an opinion.)
Steel1943 (
talk) 17:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Keep. I get over a million ghits for "dessert pizza",
[1] (your results may vary) so it's a common name for something. There's room for expansion but this is at least a start, and will get readers to what little information we do have. Help expanding to an article, or adding articles perhaps on
choc chip pizza,
apple dessert pizza or
raspberry dessert pizza welcome. Alternatively I can reformat it as a stub, but a DAB seemed more appropriate at this stage as we do have information which might otherwise be missed.
Andrewa (
talk) 08:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Pizza after creating a section there for sweet pizzas. There is no mention on that page of "chocolate" or "fruit", as yet, not even a "See also". There should be a section on sweet/dessert pizzas (however sacrilegious they may be considered) in that main Pizza article.
PamD 12:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Pizza per PamD. "Dessert pizza" is a wildly diverse concept where you can get creative with your favorite
dessert and favorite
pizza style, not something you can really have a cohesive article on – the links above are just food bloggers' recipes, not reliable sources that discuss the topic as a whole and could be used here. I like how there's a whole section at
Fruit_pizza#Controversy saying that the only resemblance it has to pizza is the round shape (recipes there being more of a topped
Cookie cake). Alternatively,
Chocolate pizza could be moved and formatted to cover multiple dessert-type toppings, but I don't think there should be a third article in this space just because you can make an apple pie or raspberry pie on a pizza crust instead of a pie crust (the recipes above would fit into these extant pages anyway!).
Reywas92Talk 15:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
the disambiguation does not explain how the term at all relates to the two entries. I could see canada, but a church cantoris? it just doesn't seem right.
Gaismagorm (
talk) 19:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Can. Add
Cantoris there only after adding a sourced mention of this in the target article.
PamD 11:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
OK, fell down the rabbit hole: abbreviation is now mentioned and sourced in
Cantoris. Have also rejigged the
Can dab page to separate out the two abbreviations.
PamD 12:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Only one legitimate entry for spoilage. I've transferred the most numerous entries to
Spoiled. Articles could easily be written (and should) about spoilage in business and of food in its place.
Clarityfiend (
talk) 02:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep, I have added a source at
Tampering with evidence for
Spoilage of evidence being used as an alternative name for this concept (which immediately came to mind when I saw the term, and was a surprising omission), and have added that to the disambiguation page.
BD2412T 02:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Disambiguation page with a clear primary topic and one other recently created and comparatively niche topic. I propose to delete this page, redirect the title to
European Federation, which covers this concept, and add a hatnote there.
BD2412T 23:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete The political entity on this dab is not much more than political aedvertising. No elections, no seats. For the rest: as by the nominator. The Bannertalk 00:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The history itself can always be moved under a different title.
BD2412T 16:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
User:BD2412 sure, but that seems to be needless extra work since the result is that instead of simply targeting A from B you first move B to some other title C before targeting A with both, what's the point?
2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:E493:D84:28E3:D006 (
talk) 17:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I see what you're saying. I have no problem with this being maintained as a redirect to
European Federation with the current history intact; it should not exist as a disambiguation page.
BD2412T 17:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Just to make the above clear following the relist since I never explicitly bolded anything, I support redirecting to
European Federation as the primary topic at present with any necessary disambiguation being accomplished with hatnoting.
2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:49B:2883:34FC:225B (
talk) 15:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose deletion, unless "European Federation" (rather an awkward name, especially the capitalised "F") is moved to "United State of Europe". --
Checco (
talk) 14:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 22:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This disambiguation page doesn't really seem to have a use, given it only contains two subjects, Sefirot and Sephiroth, which can easily have a hatnote at the top of their articles to accomplish the same disambiguation purpose. Given that Sephiroth is the name, and not Sefirot, which is only a similar sounding word, I'd suggest reclassing Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) to just Sephiroth, and then keeping the hatnote that leads to Sefirot in the case that someone is looking for the concept. Overall, though, this page seems unneeded.
Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (
talk) 00:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete:
WP:ONEOTHER and
WP:DABPARTIAL. Unnecessary disambiguation page that can be resolved with a hatnote. Nothing else can logically be added to this. Agree with nom that Sephiroth is clearly the primary topic of the name so that article should be moved to Sephiroth without the disambiguator as well. StreetcarEnjoyer(talk) 01:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep According to
WikiNav there is no primary topic, and in fact more clicks go to Sefirot than the FF character. Therefore despite it seeming "obvious" to video game fans, it clearly has a different meaning to the greater public.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 04:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The primary topic for Sephiroth is not Sefirot, regardless of the relative pageviews. While they may be transliterating the same Hebrew term--and I'm not sure that's actually been established without looking into the FF character--similar but different names and content is exactly what hatnotes are for, isn't it?
Jclemens (
talk) 04:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Britannica clearly says that "Sephiroth" is an alternate name for Sefirot. I think it's highly likely the FF character's name was based on said mythology, also given the naming of
Jenova, which resembles a certain Biblical name of God. Knowing this, both Sefirot and the FF character are viable topics for the term, and a DAB page is required.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 06:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Addendum: I also support redirect to Sefirot with a hatnote per longterm significance if that would allow for a consensus.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 09:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ. No primary topic so
WP:ONEOTHER is satisfied by keeping the page. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete Redirect to Sefirot per ONEOTHER. If Sefirot is indeed the primary target, per ZXC, then Sephiroth should be deleted and become a redirect to Sefirot. There's no policy support for a two-page DAB.
Axem Titanium (
talk) 18:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I never said Sefirot was the primary target, but that there was no primary, though it might be arguable that Sefirot is primary by the longterm significance criterion. In that case, though, deletion is unnecessary, a primary redirect can simply be made. The main thing I am certain of is that the video game character is not primary, so there is zero scenario in which deletion of this page is merited.
DABs can certainly be 2 pages if there is no clear meaning of the word.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 18:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
True, changed position. Saving thousands of people a DAB click per month is an end unto itself.
Axem Titanium (
talk) 18:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete and move Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) to here per nom. That's honestly the most logical choice.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk) 03:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Kung Fu Man: Do you have a response to the WikiNav information showing that more people click through to Sefirot than to the FF character from here? Because it seems to indicate that making the character primary is the illogical choice.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 05:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Zxcvbnm: It could also be a sake of curiosity and is the top result Zx. I mean I know if I was looking up Sephiroth and the first thing I saw was that my curiosity would be piqued.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk) 06:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Let's say that I had a gut feeling that 95% of the visitors to this page were actually looking for the religious term, but got distracted by the FF character and curiously clicked on that link instead. It might sound ludicrous, but if I asked for evidence to refute it, there is none. The only thing we know for certain is the relative pageviews, therefore similarly, that argument cannot be confirmed.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 07:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Zx you asked a question and I gave a response. Even WikiNav seems to indicate most of the results are coming from a search result. In any event, I'm standing by my decision on this. Even a basic search result on Google indicates that the fictional character is the primarily subject.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk) 12:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. After thinking about this a bit, this request is in essence a request to move
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) to
Sephiroth although it is presented in the guise of discussing deletion of a redirect disambiguation page. As disambiguation is necessary, whether with through hatnotes or a disambiguation page, this page cannot be deleted until there is consensus to move established with a transparent and properly listed MOVE discussion (not through a backdoor AfD). And the watchers of
Sephirot should be notified of the discussion.
older ≠
wiser 17:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'm also OK with redirecting this to
Sephirot with a hatnote to the Final Fantasy character. However, that same redirect was previously changed to a disambiguation page in
this discussion. Pinging the participants:
Steel1943,
Dream Focus,
Havradim.
older ≠
wiser 17:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:ONEOTHER. The disambiguation can be achieved with a hat note. Yes, I copied Shooterwalker. The hatnote will redirect people just as easily or as well as this unnecessary twodab. Unless someone can provide evidence this is an actual alternate name/spelling for Sefirot and not simply a similar word, the character should be moved over it. I do see its noted as a transliteration in the lead, which my eyes refused to register earlier. --
ferret (
talk) 14:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. I guess hat note does work. 🥒
Greenish Pickle!🥒 (
🔔) 22:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. There's already a hatnote, and it would make sense to have one. Basically saying "delete per
WP:ONEOTHER."
TWOrantulaTM (
enter the web) 01:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment These delete arguments do not address the
WP:SURPRISE issue when people - actually most searchers - are looking for a religious term and land on a Final Fantasy character. While the DAB page may not technically be required,
WP:ONEOTHER is specifically for when a primary topic exists. The FF character is in no way a primary topic for this term.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 17:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep - while Sephirot is the usual English transliteration in Jewish
Kabbalah, Sephiroth is the most common transliteration in
Hermetic Qabalah for the same topic. Therefore a dab page should be maintained. Alternatively, redirect to Sephirot with a hatnote for the FF character.
Skyerise (
talk) 19:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment should Sefirot be deemed the primary topic, I'm fine with Sefirot instead being the primary redirect. However, the article should have a hatnote leading to the video game character given the similar titles. In any case, the disambig page is unnecessary given this can just be handled by hatnotes.
Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (
talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect Sephiroth to Sefirot and add a hatnote to game character. Sefirot is the primary topic per
WP:PT2 due to "long-term significance". --
Mika1h (
talk) 20:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to Sefirot with a hatnote for
Sephiroth. I feel like this isn't a Mario situation, where the character is so big that they get priority over the name. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk) 22:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: In order to move
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) to
Sephiroth. Redirecting this to
Sefirot because it doesn't seem that likely of a spelling mistake, and the current two disambiguation targets get around the same # of views. Cleo Cooper (
talk) 06:01, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
My mistake, it's not a spelling error. I still think
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) should be moved here, and a hatnote can be added for
Sefirot. Cleo Cooper (
talk) 06:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This is not about
what first comes to mind, but about what is correct in policy. Moving the page clearly isn't.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 09:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
ToadetteEdit! 21:19, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Sefirot, add a hatnote for
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy), I don't think Sephiroth would get priority over the name due to Sefirot having significantly more long term significance than the character.-
Samoht27 (
talk) 21:19, 23 April 2024
Comment: For what it's worth, straight-up "delete" is not applicable here since the title refers to at least one existent subject. (Otherwise, I do not have an opinion.)
Steel1943 (
talk) 17:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply