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I have noted that you often edit without an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This is considered an important guideline in Wikipedia. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may think you're being sneaky. Also, mentioning one change but not another one can be misleading to someone who finds the other one more important; add "and misc." to cover the other change(s). Thanks! -- Kukini 01:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean by "sneaky vandalism"?? I wrote the truth in the article "battle of Maritsa". You know very well that the lands ruled by Valkashin and Uglesha were inhabited mainly by Bulgarians (as they are today). They were of serbian origine, but the army they led consisted mainly by BULGARIANS; so i have written Bulgarian army correctly => this is NOT vandalism.-- Gligan 18:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Lysandros. Serbian king, i think should be the title used by the king of Serbia, not of Prilep. Valkashin's realm was not Serbia. Why should be his army called serbian, when its king, though of serbian origine was not king of Serbia and the soldiers were ethnic Bulgarians. The serbs inhabited the lands west of the Morava river and north of Kosovo (including it of course); but the lands to the east and to the south were Bulgarian. Stefan Dushan was the first serbian king to conquer Macedonia, till those moment it was constantly Bulgarian, and sometimes Byzantine. The serbs did not even hold it for more than 20 years. So, the right definition should be Bulgarian army of the Serbian feudal lord Valkashin.
In my opinion you know quite well that the victorious write the history. The british and the french always feared Bulgaria and supported its enemies; they won the world wars, they supported the serbs, the greeks and the romanians in their trechorous actions against our country; they said that Macedonia is Serbian. So why should be encyclopedia britannica a valuable sourse??? They were simply trying to prove that Macedonia should remain in yugoslavia.
As far as edit summary is concerned, i do not know how to use it; and wrong information should be deleted... :)-- Gligan 11:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
By the way, are you a Serb? You name sounds greek.-- Gligan 11:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, Lysandros. Now, let us draw a conclusion. The different sourses of the time are, of course, one-sided-the Bulgarian, the Serb and the Turk. The Bulgarians usually did not mension that Vulkashin was of serb origin; it was led by Bulgarian feudal lords; the army was 20,000. The serbs did not mention that there were Bulgarians in the army and call it serbian. The Turks made little difference between Bulgarians and serbs (they were both usually called "infidels"); they were new to the Balkans so they did not know that the lands in Macedonia are Bulgarian, they only knew that the enemy commander Vulkashin was of serb origin =>they called this army serbian; they pointed out that the army was 60,000 to use it for propaganda. For the british sourses i mentioned before.
I we think neutral, what remains of it??? First, it is OBVIOUS that Macedonia was inhabited by Bulgarians (they were the ordinary soldiers), the leaders were of serbian origine (the Bulgarians were lead by serbs. 60,000 is very large number, the Byzantine and the Bulgarian Empires rarely gathered so many troops even in their zenith; it would be VERY difficult for two feudal lords to summon such an enormous army, so 20,000 (again very large army for the Balkan standards in the 14th century) is the more realistic number. -- Gligan 09:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, then I hope you will agree with the last change I made in the article. I also must agree that may be the right term is "allied Balkan army" but definetely NOT serbian. Bulgarian army is also exaggerated. Both Bulgaria and Serbia officialy did not participate.
It is good that you have so deep knowledge of medieval history. I only cannot understand why are exactly the british (and perhaps american) sourses so valuable for you...:):):)-- Gligan 08:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't looked carefully who was editing what. I was more careful now. Nikola 19:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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See User talk:Anittas#Sources for Battle of Vaslui. Khoi khoi 19:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
slm Lysandros, savasin sonucunu update ettim, haber vermek icin yaziyorum. ben de osmanli zaferi oldugunu dusunuyorum ama consensus olmadikca bunu yazmak dogru olmaz:( Ati7 07:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
indecisive or inconclusive , I like that. Let's put this into the discussion section. Sorry, I didn't realize it was someone else Ati7 15:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Casualty figures and strengths are all from the same source. See Note 1. Cheers Raymond Palmer 20:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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Hi. I've noticed your interest in this battle, but also in several medieval battles from Balkans. I wonder if you have access to a primary source called "The life of Despot Stefan Lazarević" which was written in early 1430s by Constantine the Philosopher (Konstantin Kostenechki). I have scholarship addressing this primary source, but the text could make me understand better the events and hopefully get that article moving. A version in English/French/Italian/German would be preferable for me, but if you have it in any other language I'd appreciate if you can provide a translation, as well. Thank you in advance, Daizus 15:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the check up. I know no one owns an article in Wikipedia, but its a small boost of pride for me to have someone such as yourself rank it as B grade. Yes your efforts do not go un-noticed my friend! Tourskin 06:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I just noticed your edit here (convenient, actually, I'd been trying to figure out what that code was), and went trying to add it to Talk:Crusade of Varna and Talk:Peace of Szeged, but it seems the Serbia and Bulgaria banners won't minimze. Am I doing it wrong, or is there some sort of missing code within the banners themselves? How does it get fixed? - Bbik 14:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that one out for me. Quite Frankly I was surprised at first that there wasn't such an article but you have pointed it out to me so thanks again. Oh yeah, thanks for grading the Byzantine-Ottoman wars too. I'll delete the one I made and ad any new info I had researched and change the campaign boxes of Ottoman-Habsburg wars. Regards, Tourskin 22:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing those out. Let me know what your intentions are regarding these articles, if theres going to be any merging or anything. Tourskin 10:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Fayssal. How can i add new selected articles to the Military history of the Ottoman Empire Portal? I want to update it if possible.. Lysandros ( talk) 20:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok but, how can i make an article 'selected' exactly (for exemple Byzantine-Ottoman wars)? Lysandros ( talk) 21:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Sayin Lysandros: Ozur dilerim gonderdiginiz mesaja yanit veremedigim icin. Kabahat mi buyuk ozur mu bilemiyorum. Ancak nereye nasil yanit yazacagimi bilemedim ve bunu sizden Fransizca serzenisli ileti aldigim icin size ait Talk denilen kisma yaziyorum. Halbuki ilk yazdigim ileti Ingilizce Wikipedia'da Battle of Maritsa konusunda idi. Bu iletide sizi, gerekmiyecek kadar, fazla tenkitte bulunmusum; ozur dilerim. Sizin gonderdiginiz ilk aciklamanizda da cok hakli oldugunuzu gormustum; ama ayni ozurle cevap verememistim. Bu Ingilizce Battle of Maritsa maddesi benim canimi cok sikti. Boyle bir savas var mi? Turk tarihlerinde bulamadim; Sirp Sindigi ise bakabildigim (Ingilizce, Turkce, Italyanca) Vikipedia'larinda yok. Neden? Bunun konuya ben Bizans Imparatorlari, Sultan Orhan ve I. Murad hakkinda yazdigim/degistirdigim maddeler dolayisiyla geldim. Ikinci ana dilim olarak kabul ettigim Ingilizce icin maddenin icerigi (en iyi yorumla) hic tatmin edici olmadi benim icin. Ne yazik ki Ingilizce Vikipedi 1911 Britanika Ansiklopedisi'nden arta kalan; Balkan milliyetcilerinin ve koyu Hristiyanlik yanlilarinin gayretleriyle gittikce daha da kotulesen ve en iyi goruslu ifadeyle tarafsiz olmayan maddelerle dolmus. Tarihe cok ilgisi olan bir Turk asilli (45 yili geckin Ingilterede oturan emekli akademik) bir kisi olarak bu cesit tarafli, yanli, acik soylemek gerekirse iki yuzlu, tarihi maskara yapan maddelere alerjim devamli artmakta. Iletinizde soylemis oldugunuz gibi bunlara inceden inceye reaksiyon gostermek cok zor ve ince reaksiyon ne yazik ki herkes tarafindan (ben dahil) yanlis anlasiliyor. Acaba daha sert, ama bir tarafsiz ilim gorusunden ayrilmadan, reaksiyon gostermek imkani var mi? Bilemiyorum. Benim yillarca tecrubeme gore yanli kisilere ince yanit degil daha robust bir reaksiyon gostermek daha verimli bir sonuc ortaya cikartmakta. Ama bu tutum Vikipedia icin uygun mu, degil mi? Iktisatcilar iki elli kisiler olarak tarif edilirlerdi; devamli sorunlara ve incelemelere on one hand and on the other hand diye yanita giristikleri icin. Iki elli tarihci olmak gerekmiyor mu? Tekrar yanitimin gec kaldigi icin ozurlerimle. Iyi calismalar ve iyi gunler dilerim. Noyder ( talk) 17:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Why did you delete the changes I made in the Battle of Chaldiran? The number of soldiers of the Safavids aren't even based upon sources as it looks now. A page number is missing in Savory's work. And I actually own his book and can't find any place where it says that Shah Ismail had 80.000 soldiers!! I made some changings, and I used reliable sources. Even the Ottoman sources claim that Shah Ismail had only 40.000 men. It is highly unprobable that Shah Ismail could have had more than 40.000, since his country was dominated by Shafi'i Sunnis, and Ismail himself was a Shi'a who gained support from heterodox Shi'ite groups from Anatolia! None of the Safavid wars before Chaldiran were fought with that many soldiers. And if you noticed, I even used Roger Savory as a source in my numbers. ( Xizilbash ( talk) 13:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC))
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Hi, I noticed your interest in this battle and I would like to review the battle's outcome. I saw the page talk and I think there are sustainable arguments for a "tactical Wallachian victory" because there are several neutral sources that support this conclusion: [1]; [2]; [3]; [4] In short, initially Mircea repelled the Ottomans, but thereafter he decided to withdraw to preserve his forces. I think the "indecisive" character come from the fact that the Ottomans, after the initial failure, continued the offensive. Therefore the final outcome was not a conquest but a de facto Ottoman suzerainty. Please let me know about your opinion. Thanks. Aleodor ( talk) 15:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/muresan.htm (french). Translation of the parts concerning the outcome:
"According to the Ottoman chroniclers, between the two armies finally began a «great battle» near the river Argeş[47], with heavy casualties on both sides. However the Romanians didn't give up. During the night, the corpses of the fallen Ottoman soldiers were chucked into the river, creating the next day to Mircea the impression that the Ottoman army was still intact. He decided then to withdraw.[48]"
"This camp, defended by the personal guard of the Sultan composed of janissaries, was the impregnable point of the Ottoman defense, in the much difficult moments of a battle. Applied justly from the next year, in the battle of Nicopolis (1396), this tactical innovation became the fundamental element of the Ottoman art of war until the XVIII century. That is this innovation which, despite of the determined opposition of Mircea's army, testify the tactical victory that the Sultan won in the end of this battle. The army of Mircea I, sustaining heavy casualties, and in the impossibility to break the defense of Sultan's camp, was finally obliged to withdraw. However, if this result for Bayezid was a victory, it was a «Pyrrhic» one[51]."
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I think that we should improve the article a bit more before removing the template, there is still loads of unverified claims/ citation needed tags in it. Lysandros ( talk) 15:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
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G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:
As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.
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As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.
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I have noted that you often edit without an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This is considered an important guideline in Wikipedia. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may think you're being sneaky. Also, mentioning one change but not another one can be misleading to someone who finds the other one more important; add "and misc." to cover the other change(s). Thanks! -- Kukini 01:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean by "sneaky vandalism"?? I wrote the truth in the article "battle of Maritsa". You know very well that the lands ruled by Valkashin and Uglesha were inhabited mainly by Bulgarians (as they are today). They were of serbian origine, but the army they led consisted mainly by BULGARIANS; so i have written Bulgarian army correctly => this is NOT vandalism.-- Gligan 18:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Lysandros. Serbian king, i think should be the title used by the king of Serbia, not of Prilep. Valkashin's realm was not Serbia. Why should be his army called serbian, when its king, though of serbian origine was not king of Serbia and the soldiers were ethnic Bulgarians. The serbs inhabited the lands west of the Morava river and north of Kosovo (including it of course); but the lands to the east and to the south were Bulgarian. Stefan Dushan was the first serbian king to conquer Macedonia, till those moment it was constantly Bulgarian, and sometimes Byzantine. The serbs did not even hold it for more than 20 years. So, the right definition should be Bulgarian army of the Serbian feudal lord Valkashin.
In my opinion you know quite well that the victorious write the history. The british and the french always feared Bulgaria and supported its enemies; they won the world wars, they supported the serbs, the greeks and the romanians in their trechorous actions against our country; they said that Macedonia is Serbian. So why should be encyclopedia britannica a valuable sourse??? They were simply trying to prove that Macedonia should remain in yugoslavia.
As far as edit summary is concerned, i do not know how to use it; and wrong information should be deleted... :)-- Gligan 11:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
By the way, are you a Serb? You name sounds greek.-- Gligan 11:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, Lysandros. Now, let us draw a conclusion. The different sourses of the time are, of course, one-sided-the Bulgarian, the Serb and the Turk. The Bulgarians usually did not mension that Vulkashin was of serb origin; it was led by Bulgarian feudal lords; the army was 20,000. The serbs did not mention that there were Bulgarians in the army and call it serbian. The Turks made little difference between Bulgarians and serbs (they were both usually called "infidels"); they were new to the Balkans so they did not know that the lands in Macedonia are Bulgarian, they only knew that the enemy commander Vulkashin was of serb origin =>they called this army serbian; they pointed out that the army was 60,000 to use it for propaganda. For the british sourses i mentioned before.
I we think neutral, what remains of it??? First, it is OBVIOUS that Macedonia was inhabited by Bulgarians (they were the ordinary soldiers), the leaders were of serbian origine (the Bulgarians were lead by serbs. 60,000 is very large number, the Byzantine and the Bulgarian Empires rarely gathered so many troops even in their zenith; it would be VERY difficult for two feudal lords to summon such an enormous army, so 20,000 (again very large army for the Balkan standards in the 14th century) is the more realistic number. -- Gligan 09:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, then I hope you will agree with the last change I made in the article. I also must agree that may be the right term is "allied Balkan army" but definetely NOT serbian. Bulgarian army is also exaggerated. Both Bulgaria and Serbia officialy did not participate.
It is good that you have so deep knowledge of medieval history. I only cannot understand why are exactly the british (and perhaps american) sourses so valuable for you...:):):)-- Gligan 08:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't looked carefully who was editing what. I was more careful now. Nikola 19:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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See User talk:Anittas#Sources for Battle of Vaslui. Khoi khoi 19:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
slm Lysandros, savasin sonucunu update ettim, haber vermek icin yaziyorum. ben de osmanli zaferi oldugunu dusunuyorum ama consensus olmadikca bunu yazmak dogru olmaz:( Ati7 07:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
indecisive or inconclusive , I like that. Let's put this into the discussion section. Sorry, I didn't realize it was someone else Ati7 15:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Casualty figures and strengths are all from the same source. See Note 1. Cheers Raymond Palmer 20:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Lysandros. I appreciate your efforts to improve the article. I saw today some anons made some major additions to the article. Can you please check their accuracy when you have the time? Regards.-- Doktor Gonzo 14:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I've noticed your interest in this battle, but also in several medieval battles from Balkans. I wonder if you have access to a primary source called "The life of Despot Stefan Lazarević" which was written in early 1430s by Constantine the Philosopher (Konstantin Kostenechki). I have scholarship addressing this primary source, but the text could make me understand better the events and hopefully get that article moving. A version in English/French/Italian/German would be preferable for me, but if you have it in any other language I'd appreciate if you can provide a translation, as well. Thank you in advance, Daizus 15:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the check up. I know no one owns an article in Wikipedia, but its a small boost of pride for me to have someone such as yourself rank it as B grade. Yes your efforts do not go un-noticed my friend! Tourskin 06:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I just noticed your edit here (convenient, actually, I'd been trying to figure out what that code was), and went trying to add it to Talk:Crusade of Varna and Talk:Peace of Szeged, but it seems the Serbia and Bulgaria banners won't minimze. Am I doing it wrong, or is there some sort of missing code within the banners themselves? How does it get fixed? - Bbik 14:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that one out for me. Quite Frankly I was surprised at first that there wasn't such an article but you have pointed it out to me so thanks again. Oh yeah, thanks for grading the Byzantine-Ottoman wars too. I'll delete the one I made and ad any new info I had researched and change the campaign boxes of Ottoman-Habsburg wars. Regards, Tourskin 22:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing those out. Let me know what your intentions are regarding these articles, if theres going to be any merging or anything. Tourskin 10:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Fayssal. How can i add new selected articles to the Military history of the Ottoman Empire Portal? I want to update it if possible.. Lysandros ( talk) 20:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok but, how can i make an article 'selected' exactly (for exemple Byzantine-Ottoman wars)? Lysandros ( talk) 21:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Sayin Lysandros: Ozur dilerim gonderdiginiz mesaja yanit veremedigim icin. Kabahat mi buyuk ozur mu bilemiyorum. Ancak nereye nasil yanit yazacagimi bilemedim ve bunu sizden Fransizca serzenisli ileti aldigim icin size ait Talk denilen kisma yaziyorum. Halbuki ilk yazdigim ileti Ingilizce Wikipedia'da Battle of Maritsa konusunda idi. Bu iletide sizi, gerekmiyecek kadar, fazla tenkitte bulunmusum; ozur dilerim. Sizin gonderdiginiz ilk aciklamanizda da cok hakli oldugunuzu gormustum; ama ayni ozurle cevap verememistim. Bu Ingilizce Battle of Maritsa maddesi benim canimi cok sikti. Boyle bir savas var mi? Turk tarihlerinde bulamadim; Sirp Sindigi ise bakabildigim (Ingilizce, Turkce, Italyanca) Vikipedia'larinda yok. Neden? Bunun konuya ben Bizans Imparatorlari, Sultan Orhan ve I. Murad hakkinda yazdigim/degistirdigim maddeler dolayisiyla geldim. Ikinci ana dilim olarak kabul ettigim Ingilizce icin maddenin icerigi (en iyi yorumla) hic tatmin edici olmadi benim icin. Ne yazik ki Ingilizce Vikipedi 1911 Britanika Ansiklopedisi'nden arta kalan; Balkan milliyetcilerinin ve koyu Hristiyanlik yanlilarinin gayretleriyle gittikce daha da kotulesen ve en iyi goruslu ifadeyle tarafsiz olmayan maddelerle dolmus. Tarihe cok ilgisi olan bir Turk asilli (45 yili geckin Ingilterede oturan emekli akademik) bir kisi olarak bu cesit tarafli, yanli, acik soylemek gerekirse iki yuzlu, tarihi maskara yapan maddelere alerjim devamli artmakta. Iletinizde soylemis oldugunuz gibi bunlara inceden inceye reaksiyon gostermek cok zor ve ince reaksiyon ne yazik ki herkes tarafindan (ben dahil) yanlis anlasiliyor. Acaba daha sert, ama bir tarafsiz ilim gorusunden ayrilmadan, reaksiyon gostermek imkani var mi? Bilemiyorum. Benim yillarca tecrubeme gore yanli kisilere ince yanit degil daha robust bir reaksiyon gostermek daha verimli bir sonuc ortaya cikartmakta. Ama bu tutum Vikipedia icin uygun mu, degil mi? Iktisatcilar iki elli kisiler olarak tarif edilirlerdi; devamli sorunlara ve incelemelere on one hand and on the other hand diye yanita giristikleri icin. Iki elli tarihci olmak gerekmiyor mu? Tekrar yanitimin gec kaldigi icin ozurlerimle. Iyi calismalar ve iyi gunler dilerim. Noyder ( talk) 17:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Why did you delete the changes I made in the Battle of Chaldiran? The number of soldiers of the Safavids aren't even based upon sources as it looks now. A page number is missing in Savory's work. And I actually own his book and can't find any place where it says that Shah Ismail had 80.000 soldiers!! I made some changings, and I used reliable sources. Even the Ottoman sources claim that Shah Ismail had only 40.000 men. It is highly unprobable that Shah Ismail could have had more than 40.000, since his country was dominated by Shafi'i Sunnis, and Ismail himself was a Shi'a who gained support from heterodox Shi'ite groups from Anatolia! None of the Safavid wars before Chaldiran were fought with that many soldiers. And if you noticed, I even used Roger Savory as a source in my numbers. ( Xizilbash ( talk) 13:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC))
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Hi, I noticed your interest in this battle and I would like to review the battle's outcome. I saw the page talk and I think there are sustainable arguments for a "tactical Wallachian victory" because there are several neutral sources that support this conclusion: [1]; [2]; [3]; [4] In short, initially Mircea repelled the Ottomans, but thereafter he decided to withdraw to preserve his forces. I think the "indecisive" character come from the fact that the Ottomans, after the initial failure, continued the offensive. Therefore the final outcome was not a conquest but a de facto Ottoman suzerainty. Please let me know about your opinion. Thanks. Aleodor ( talk) 15:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/muresan.htm (french). Translation of the parts concerning the outcome:
"According to the Ottoman chroniclers, between the two armies finally began a «great battle» near the river Argeş[47], with heavy casualties on both sides. However the Romanians didn't give up. During the night, the corpses of the fallen Ottoman soldiers were chucked into the river, creating the next day to Mircea the impression that the Ottoman army was still intact. He decided then to withdraw.[48]"
"This camp, defended by the personal guard of the Sultan composed of janissaries, was the impregnable point of the Ottoman defense, in the much difficult moments of a battle. Applied justly from the next year, in the battle of Nicopolis (1396), this tactical innovation became the fundamental element of the Ottoman art of war until the XVIII century. That is this innovation which, despite of the determined opposition of Mircea's army, testify the tactical victory that the Sultan won in the end of this battle. The army of Mircea I, sustaining heavy casualties, and in the impossibility to break the defense of Sultan's camp, was finally obliged to withdraw. However, if this result for Bayezid was a victory, it was a «Pyrrhic» one[51]."
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I think that we should improve the article a bit more before removing the template, there is still loads of unverified claims/ citation needed tags in it. Lysandros ( talk) 15:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
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G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:
As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.
The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.
The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.
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Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert ( talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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Greetings,
"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.
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Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive#Participants and create a worklist at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 17:22, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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