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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
No significant coverage, the only source included is a feasibility study (primary source), and from what I can tell this hasn't gone anywhere in the past few years.
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Delete: does not meet GNG and since its just a study, NGEO doesn't apply. //
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:24, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Appears to be primarily a promotional article. Very few sources are available online. I could find no immediate hits on news searches. The article was mainly written by compensated and disclosed editors.
Sauzer (
talk) 23:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
You're correct. I told her what she needed to do for it to not get flagged for deletion, but she refused to provide me with anything that fit under
WP:RS, and eventually canned me because I was telling her what she hired me to tell her but didn't want to hear and accused me of being a pariah to Wikipedia admins.--
Scottandrewhutchins (
talk) 03:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete we need to put the kabbosh on people paying their way to Wikipedia inclusion.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 18:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete The converge are not from any notable media, hence it doesn't meet
WP:GNG. Also can't find much in Google news.
Expertwikiguy (
talk) 10:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:SIGCOV. The Times article is not about her primarily. The other sources are not secondary, or are not independent.
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The result was keep. Perhaps further discussion about the general notability/criteria for these sorts of bibliographies is warranted, but insofar as current policy permits them, there appears to be consensus that this one is okay to retain. No prejudice against this conversation continuing elsewhere. GoPhightins! 23:48, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Currently on hiatus from AfD, but got a few of those 'deprod per WP:DEPROD' summaries in my watchlist. Article is a borderline case at absolute best for
WP:LISTN/
WP:LISTPURP, presenting a heterogeneous list of books on a broad topic with little indication of use to readers. It has classic
WP:SYNTH issues built into the process and which can't be avoided or edited out of. (Page creator has chosen not to be notified for AfDs.)
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 23:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep The talk of WP:SYNTH is nonsense. The territory of Gibraltar is well-defined and rich in history and so there are numerous books and documents about it. It is easy to find multiple published bibliographies for this place and
this book has pages of them including A Gibraltar Bibliography; An introduction to the documents relating to the international status of Gibraltar, 1704 - 1934; A bibliography of Gibraltar 1939-1945; Gibraltar: bibliography - local and military history up to 28 February 1978; &c. The topic therefore passes
WP:LISTN easily while the purpose of the list is obvious and respectable.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 23:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Existence of specialized bibliographies with specific themes (and certainly annotations as well!) is no basis for this bibliography that's just random titles of books on the broader topic. Wikipedia is not just a list of titles of unrelated publications on history, travel, and "Military Anecdotes" on a wide topic with no inclusion criteria. Unclear what makes this an encyclopedic compilation any more than typing "Gibraltar" into your library's catalogue or Google Books, or what the title of a handbook to visiting Spain being next to the title of a book on fortifications is supposed to provide readers.
History_of_Gibraltar#References provides just as useful of a list of books on the territory.
Reywas92Talk 01:13, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Noting similarities, I found this page is just a copy-and-paste of that references section when the page was created in 2013:
[1]. What the hell is the point of this???? Speedy delete as not a freaking article, just pointless duplication.
Reywas92Talk 01:17, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
WP:OSE, many of those articles pages were created by the same person and are likewise useless. There's no reason to keep this when when it's so clearly arbitrary and of no use and a
WP:REDUNDANTWP:DUPLICATE.
Reywas92Talk 02:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I noted this in response to your similar comment in the other pending bibliography AFD, but just so it's here in this discussion as well: OSE states "When used correctly, these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes." postdlf (talk) 15:13, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Our bibliography articles are often the labor of love for one person or otherwise completely neglected. Still, they are considered a valid form of list (although there's a good question of whether they belong in projectspace or mainspace). There is a good point about scope here, though. What is the inclusion criteria? What sort of inclusion criteria would be reasonable? Is it even realistic? My initial reaction is that we should Keep and Split as/when needed. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 01:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep largely per Rhododendrites. Maybe these should be in project space, I'm indifferent. But Gibraltar is unquestionably a valid topic for one so long as we do this, and all else is a matter for further development and discussion. postdlf (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Because the potential scope of this page is obviously broader than just what is presently used as a reference in that Wikipedia article. postdlf (talk) 15:04, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep - as opposed to
Bibliography of South America. A single region/location, especially a small one, is a restrictive enough topic to have a sensible bibliography attached to it. Doing that for a continent is ludicrous, but here the scope is doable, and we are otherwise quite willing to entertain
really large bibliographies. --Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 18:53, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
That does not strike me as a sensible argument. Even if the two lists overlap or are largely identical at this point, the references at
Gibraltar are determined by whatever is used as sources for material in that article, and can't contain anything further. That's not a restriction we have in standalone bibliographies. --Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 16:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Soooooo how about a
WP:Further reading section? Keeping a duplicate copied-and-pasted page is not a sensible argument.
Reywas92Talk 19:21, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
The most obvious counter would be that "Further reading" sections are supposed to be a small adjunct to an article, and can/should never have the size of a dedicated bibliography page. It appears to me that your arguments are really aimed at the merit of standalone bibliographies as an article type, rather than this specific one. Maybe it's worth having a dedicated discussion on that? --Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 20:58, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
keep: The article definitely needs to be improved and expanded, but it is a notable topic for a bibliography. //
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Subject does not meet
WP:GNG or
WP:NPROF. With the exception of obituaries, there is no significant coverage in reliable third-party sources.
Paisarepa 23:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Withdrawn by nominator. Consensus is obvious and there is no ongoing discussion that would be cut off.
Paisarepa 18:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep There may only be obits here, yet there are three independent obits. One states Cohen, who was a chemistry professor at Pitt for 60 years, died Dec. 13, at 88 years old. During his time at Pitt, he authored more than 200 research papers, and graduates of his lab can be found teaching at colleges and universities around the world. which signifies
notability. All a subject of an article has to be is notable. This gentleman vaults that threshold with room to spare. What the article needs is more substance and references for that substance. But AfD is not a mechanism of choice for article improvement
FiddleFaddle 23:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment Rather than just saying that the individual 'vaults the [notability] threshold', could you specifically explain how he meets
WP:GNG,
WP:NPROF, or any other SNG?
Paisarepa 23:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment I put a section in italics in my !vote. That section itself vaults the threshold. That will have to do for specifics.
FiddleFaddle 23:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. I am getting a GS
h-index of 30 plus, which passes
WP:Prof#C1. The BIO is terse and needs expansion.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 23:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC).reply
Comment One flaw of the h-index is that it does a poor job distinguishing between a relatively mediocre academic who published for a long period of time and a notable academic who published for a shorter duration. Cohen's h-index is inflated by the fact that he published for ~60 years, an unusually long career.
Paisarepa 00:13, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep A respectable and respected professor of chemistry. Not seeing the problem.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 00:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. I looked at the citation metrics of all 63 of his coauthors with 10 or more publications, and all 30 authors (10+ pubs) of the 10 most recent articles citing him. Total citations: average: 4721, median: 1107, Cohen: 5754. Total papers: avg: 124, med: 59, C: 185. h-index: avg: 26, med: 18, C: 42. Highest citation: avg: 359, med: 143, C: 259. Clearly well above even the average in his field in most of these parameters.
JoelleJay (
talk) 01:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment Almost all of the metrics you list are cumulative, which means that his being above average in the metrics you list is purely an artifact of the fact that he published for an unusually long period of time.
WP:PROF is clear that Simply having authored a large number of published academic works is not considered sufficient to satisfy Criterion 1; Cohen needs something more than a long career and the correspondingly large number of publications to meet
WP:PROF.
Paisarepa 02:03, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Please distinguish between publications and citations. What he has got is a decent number of citations on GS.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 03:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC).reply
Yes, Cohen has an above average number of total citations (22% higher by JoelleJay's measure) compared to the average academic in his field, but the cause of this is simply that he published for a significantly longer period than the average academic in his field. Consider, for example, another professor who is exactly alike to Cohen in that they match his average of ~3 papers published per year and ~31 citations per paper, but this hypothetical professor publishes for a more typical 40 years compared to Cohen's 60. This hypothetical professor would have published 120 papers and have 3720 citations, and by both metrics would be below average. They would also have a lower h-index due to their shorter publishing career even if their number of citations per paper follows the same distribution as that of Cohen. Cohen is above average with regards to these metrics only because the metrics are dependent on and highly correlated with career duration. Without applying some common-sense normalization to these metrics you're largely just measuring publishing volume and career longevity, neither of which are measures of notability.
Paisarepa 04:18, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Irrelevant.
WP:Prof measures cumulative achievement. Obviously a person will have more achievements at the end of their career than at the start.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 06:17, 4 March 2021 (UTC).reply
I agree, an impactful achievement could be a single discovery of somebody that never does anything again or somebody who consistently contributes to a field over time. Of course the
Great man theory of science opts for the former but in practice science is done more often in small but important steps. On top of that, I count 6 papers with citation count > 100, you usually dont achieve that by simply writing a lot of small irrelevant papers over a long period of time. --
hroest 14:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Clearly relevant, see multiple different obituaries. An academic who had graduate students become PIs at other Universities has clearly had a strong impact on the field. More information can be found for example in the award justification for the Pittsburg award:
https://www.chem.pitt.edu/news-story/professor-ted-cohen-2009-winner-acs-pittsburgh-section-award "His graduate significant contributions on the chemistry of pyridines and pyridine-N-oxides ... Pioneering work, on organocopper chemistry in 60's and 70's, organolithium and sulfur chemistry in the 80's and 90's, has been and still is the signature of Ted's voluminous work in the lab. His major contributions embrace mechanisms, synthetic methodology and natural product synthesis." The main issue with the article is that it needs improvement and addition of noteable facts. --
hroest
KeepJoelleJay's argument that he passes
WP:PROF#C1 sounds solid to me. (Whether the numbers are "cumulative" is beside the point; one way to be an influential scientist is to keep doing research that people keep caring about, and if it works, it works. Some of us have long careers and stay obscure through to the bitter end.) The article can be expanded with details from the obituaries, like how he waited tables at a summer resort while he was an undergraduate, and
Isaac Asimov encouraged him to go into chemistry.
XOR'easter (
talk) 06:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. I see several quite highly cited papers, in what I understand to be a medium citation field. I think it's a pass of
WP:NPROF C1. Sure, he's well-known partly because of the length of his career (but you could say the same for
Johnny Carson). Pitt held a small event for him on the occasion of his retirement, and there's a little more about him in coverage of the event in the chemistry department newsletter
[2]. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Russ Woodroofe (
talk •
contribs) 08:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep As per all above, have enough notability.
Hulatam (
talk) 15:38, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. I agree. --
Bduke (
talk) 21:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. There may be enough here for
WP:PROF#C1. The in-depth analysis above looks at average citations per paper, but I think that's a mistake; we want to determine whether he made at least a small number of significant contributions, and averaging over all papers doesn't pick out the significant ones. The sources claiming that his phenol syntheses were included in textbooks, and that he was known for his work on organosulfur and organometals, look more relevant for this than trying to understand how citation numbers in this field might have varied over time in order to calibrate the numbers. Regardless, I think we also have enough here for
WP:GNG. The sources affiliated with the University of Pittsburgh can be considered reliable but are non-independent; however, the Chemical & Engineering News and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette obituaries look independent enough (in particular, the one in the Post-Gazette appears to be an article written by them, rather than a paid death notice from a family member). —
David Eppstein (
talk) 01:59, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
(Pinging
Paisarepa as well) I agree it's more important to weigh the qualitative contributions to the field when that's an option/the info is available. I do want to note that the metrics I use don't include average citation per paper but rather total citations and highest citation. I looked at all of Dr. Cohen's coauthors in an effort to account for longevity and differences in citation standards over time, and then looked at the authors of the 10 most recent articles citing him for comparisons with contemporary researchers. Looking at just his coauthors: total cites: avg: 6010, med: 1130, C: 5754; total pubs: avg: 130, med: 41, C: 185; h-index: avg: 29, med: 19, C: 42; highest citation: avg: 447, med: 162, C: 259. Note that these numbers skew the averages (not so much the medians) upward a lot due to a handful of old heavy-hitters like
Houk of
Houk's model and
John Falck of aziridine and hydrastine
synthesis fame.
JoelleJay (
talk) 18:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Seems to meet
WP:NPROF and has some additional independant sourcing. -
Kj cheetham (
talk) 14:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment. The nominator may like to withdraw to avoid further waste of editors' time.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 21:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC),reply
Comment Thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm aware that there is a clear consensus but do not intend to withdraw the nomination until I'm confident there isn't a valuable discussion that may be short-circuted by doing so. As a reminder, there is no obligation to participate if you feel doing so is a waste of your time.
Paisarepa 22:52, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Note for the record, that the nominator first proposed
uncontroversial deletion without discussion. Now they want lots of discussion but it's not clear what their
point is. Meanwhile, I'm getting the article reviewed to appear on the main page as a
DYK.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 23:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
SNOW close... gone on long enough already.
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Currently on hiatus from AfD, but got a few of those 'deprod per WP:DEPROD' summaries in my watchlist. This is a synthesis of "minor mentions in notable works" and "non-notable works with more than passing references", and if it were trimmed down to major appearances in anything significant, it would be a permastub at best. The collection of examples here is not natural, sensical, or in line with
WP:LISTN/
WP:LISTPURP.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 23:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep or merge to parent topic, of which it is an obvious subtopic. postdlf (talk) 01:13, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge reliably sourced entries to
Gibraltar#Cultural references. The article cannot stand on its own but those entries that are sourced can be mentioned in the parent article.
WP:TRIVIA should be avoided.
IceWelder [
✉] 09:09, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Perfectly valid spinoff article. Won't all fit nicely in the main article, so valid content is spinout to a side article.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/almanac-gibraltar/Gibraltar looms large in our popular culture as well.DreamFocus 12:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
someone's pet
WP:OR project, was this commissioned by the Gibraltar Tourist Board or something? are we going to create one of these for every country next? It's absurd.
Acousmana (
talk) 22:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Blocked for UPE, sockpuppetry.
MER-C 18:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge as a stand-alone article this suffers from XKCD 446
[3] syndrome.
power~enwiki (
π,
ν) 18:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge per power~enwiki.
Archrogue (
talk) 18:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge selectivey as suggested.
Bearian (
talk) 15:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep or Merge: Article needs to be expanded beyond a list, but the subject is notable. I don't think it meets LISTN, so if someone wishes to merge sourced content into an appropriate target I have no objection. If someone ever decides to recreate this as an article instead of a list, the material can be recovered from the history. //
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The result was keep.
Daniel (
talk) 23:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Currently on hiatus from AfD, but got a few of those 'deprod per WP:DEPROD' summaries in my watchlist. List fails
WP:LISTPURP/
WP:LISTN; it's a collection of generic (
WP:MILL, if you want to make a terrible pun) windmills on a minor island. There is little informational (the limits of Wikipedia require this list be more sparse in both scope and description than it would be on a specialized website, and so make nobody happy) or navigational (none of the windmills have or could have articles) value.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 22:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep I really disagree with this nom. I think
WP:LISTN is met, since the windmills have been occasionally discussed as a set, and none of them may necessarily be notable enough for their own page (see
WP:CSC) and the information is, er, informational. Just because a specialist website might contain more information is not a reason for deletion.
SportingFlyerT·C 23:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Being on hiatus from AfD does not grant immunity to PRODs which are supposed to be uncontroversial. The page is reasonably well-sourced and the topic seems quite reasonable and respectable. As for
WP:MILL, it's an
essay and so has "no official status, and do not speak for the Wikipedia community". See also the
Mills of God.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 00:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I would note it is eminently counterproductive to your goals to inspire an inclusionist to come back to AfD with the goal of deleting articles.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 02:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Blocked for UPE.
MER-C 13:54, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep - It's a sub-list of the
List of windmills, per
WP:LSC. Of the mills in the Bailiwick of Guernsey, Vale Mill and Sark Windmill may just be notable enough to sustain articles, but it would be hard work getting either above start class. The subject is notable enough to sustain a list, per
WP:LISTN.
Mjroots (
talk) 17:58, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep A well sourced and valuable resource.
No Swan So Fine (
talk) 15:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep: As a list this doesn't meet LISTN in its current state, but given the subject and the number of books written about windmills, and the sources in the article, I think this could be expanded beyond a simple list. Since these are historical structures, there are probably a number of notable articles which means this could be the SUMMARY article for the subject and the list would meet CLN. //
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This article is a complete train wreck. Bad grammar, feels like a kid wrote it. We should just delete instead of fixing it. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Namethatisnotinuse (
talk •
contribs) 22:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep AfD is not cleanup. The article is a stub so fixing its grammar mistakes is not a tedious task. A search of Google books reveals the product has been featured many times in
PC Magazine and
Macworld. There's a hit on JSTOR and there's
this review article as well. Meets
WP:GNG.
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Album by rapper who does not have an article. Neither the album nor the rapper have any visible coverage outside of self-uploaded streaming and social media sites. This album has no independent or reliable coverage as required at
WP:NALBUM. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 22:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - zero notability, a total and complete failure of
WP:NALBUM. In addition to the complete lack of coverage, he has 12 followers on SoundCloud and none of his songs even have 1000 plays on Spotify or more than 15 views on YouTube. This is probably even worthy of the rarely used
WP:A9.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - I've also noticed that the article says that this is the artist's 2nd debut studio album. What!?
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 23:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete – I wish the artist the best of luck with his career but this is a silly inclusion on Wikipedia.
Carbrera (
talk) 00:49, 4 March 2021 (UTC).reply
Speedy Delete A9, per Spiderone and nom.
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Was previously deleted via PROD with the rationale Fails to meet generally accepted notability criteria for clubs, i.e. playing at Step 6 or above, or having played in the FA Cup/Vase. This concern remains valid.
I also think that this fails
WP:GNG. In recent times, it gets name checks in local papers, for example
in this article. Searching through
British newspaper archives gives nothing significant unless you count the odd mention in results listings in the Chelmsford Chronicle as such. A book called
Kelvedon Hatch, 1840 – 1920: A Guided Tour seems to make a reference to such a club; "The first mention of an official Kelvedon Hatch football team is from 1918, although it is believed there was a team before then." That's about all I could really find.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Being from Essex, anything below Essex Senior League is not notable. Village team.
Davidstewartharvey (
talk) 21:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability.
GiantSnowman 21:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - well below the standard we should cover. Local interest only.
Nigej (
talk) 22:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Do not Delete I must register my huge disappointment in this being voted for deletion. This club is directly referenced on the
Essex Olympian Football League page, and as you can see, various other clubs have their own pages on there (including ones in lower divisions of the league). I have created this page because it is of interest to the people of
Essex, and the people of
Kelvedon Hatch. The club has achieved considerable success over the years, winning a variety of tournaments and leagues and I for one believe that it deserves its own page. To even fight for my page that is not going against or harming anyone is absurd, and I have put so much effort into this page so its quite down putting to see you all want to take it down.
Luke780 (
talk) 22:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Unfortunately, this article fails
WP:GNG. @
Luke780:, we require reliable secondary sources to write encyclopaedia articles, this article is sourced only to the club's website and the league website, which don't count towards notability since they're effectively self-published. If you can find newspaper articles which cover the club significantly (we haven't found any yet), you can use those to show the club's notable enough for a Wikipedia article.
SportingFlyerT·C 22:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete. Doesn't meet general notability guidelines.
Rondolinda (
talk) 23:32, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Have found an article, if no good then Delete The only newspaper article I could find of any significance was
this one, featured in the
Romford Recorder. If it is indeed no good then it pains me to say but I can see that you are all correct and the page should indeed be marked for deletion. Sorry to be a nuisance everyone, it was a simple mistake on my part if so. I hope you all have a great day
Luke780 (
talk) 01:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
This is better coverage than anything that I managed to find but it still falls into
WP:ROUTINE coverage, in my view. It's a local paper doing a build-up piece for the local cup with a comment from Hatch's manager. On its own, it doesn't do enough to establish the importance or significance of this club. In other words, it couldn't really be used to flesh out an encyclopaedia article in any significant way.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 07:57, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete as below the generally agreed threshold for club notability.
Number57 12:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - As noted by others, the club does not seem to have the notability/level of coverage that would be required for it to have its own article. I would note that the
Kelvedon Hatch article does not currently mention the club, so perhaps a brief mention of it there instead would be in order.
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The result was speedy keep. Self-withdrawing, as all the promotional puffery has been removed, and the article is notable by consensus below.
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Does not appear to be notable. Only links are to the official site and LinkedIn-like profiles, which are not notable enough. Next, a Google search did not give me any good, reliable sources. Meanwhile, the article is very promotional in it's current state and may benefit from
WP:TNT regardless if the subject is barely notable.
Steve M (
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Weak keep The article has been the subject of some promotional editing lately, but the
earlier version (as of 20 March 2020) is better, with links to sites verifying her status as a visiting Fellow at
Bournemouth University and a recipient of the British Female Inventor and Innovative Network (BFIIN) Female Inventor of the Year 2000. (This is a weak keep, because I'm not aware of the significance of the BFIIN award, or the "visiting Fellow" status. I've reverted to that earlier version of the page (keeping the AFD notice intact, of course.)
WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Current sources passes
WP:GNG.
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:27, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
This is not a notable concept; it's barely even a verifiable concept. This is a peripheral, almost passing idea from one psychoanalytic book from 1945, and its existence elsewhere is passing mentions in some following literature (direct quote: "[the term] Polycrates complex hardly deserves a column") and people directly ripping Wikipedia articles (e.g. mirrors and those interminable pronunciation videos). Prodded and deprodded, with little in the way of rationale for the latter.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 00:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep/merge It has an entry by this title in the Encyclopedia of Psychoanalysis (1968). The worst case would be merger to some similar concept such as
Jonah complex.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 10:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The most passing familiarity with psychology belies that those aren't coherent concepts to merge.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 11:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete One guy's coinage, mentioned passingly in the decades since and, as the nominator noted, sometimes with derision then. (The "hardly deserves a column" dig is actually from a review of the Encyclopedia of Psychoanalysis mentioned in the previous !vote
[4].) The claim about its use in criminology has been
unsourced since the article was created in 2005.)
XOR'easter (
talk) 20:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep or Merge somewhere. This is a definition of a term that has been used. We have got one reference (from 1945). It may belong to an aspect of psychology that is no longer in vogue, which is probably why there is nothing more recent.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)reply
It's a definition, and that's all it is, per
WP:NOTDICT. We can verify that it was an idea someone had once; there's no evidence anyone much cared. There are plenty of notable concepts from early psychology, including routes people don't really go down anymore, but this isn't one of them.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 18:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)reply
That sounds about right. The number of terms coined by academics every year is large, while the fraction of them that gain any nontrivial traction is small.
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Delete per nom and XOR'easter. Not a notable concept.
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Delete: Agree with XOR'easter, non-notable concept, no sources showing notability for GNG. Nothing shows up in a journal search. Merging would require properly sourced content, and the source does not support the text. I couldn't find any appropriate redirect target, but if someone finds one and it make sense the closer should consider it. But unsourced content should not be merged into other articles. //
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Delete per
WP:OR. It's sourced to a single primary source, and thus is original research.
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The result was delete. Happy to userfy in case anyone wants to try to incorporate anything elsewhere, but there's a consensus that the film does not meet our notability guideline. No prejudice against a redirect if warranted. GoPhightins! 23:51, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Fails
WP:NFILM and
WP:GNG. Nothing notable on a
WP:BEFORE. PROD was removed because there is a mentioning of the movie in the director's obituary. I am not sure how that is related to the movie itself.
Kolma8 (
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Delete Fails
WP:NFILM. A mere mention in an obituary is not enough to establish notability.
Donaldd23 (
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Weak keep: Agree with the opinion that there is not enough sources to establish notability. But since this is a movie, its practically not possible for some movies to find sources. So sources like this can be considered to establish notability
[5]. Also additional inclusionary criteria also says that The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career. This was one of the notable movies of the director mentioned in the source. Regards
Kichu🐘 Discuss 14:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Kashmorwiki, the sheer fact that there is no available sources supports (or should support) this deletion nomination. It is arrant balderdash to keep an article which fails all the criteria of
WP:NFILM and
WP:GNG and for which we all agree that there is no sources to support notability. Even many movies from the 1920s, 1950s (to include movies from India) have sources to support their notability and impact on the movie history.
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Kolma8, please note my comment.This is the reason why I said weak keep. I know there are not enough sources. Regards
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Delete: Three of the four sources in the article are database listings with no SIGCOV and the obit is a mention. Notability is not inherited from participants in the film. I couldn't find much of anything other than promos and listings and there are not even many promos. No objection to a redirect to
Sasi Shanker, but I do not see sourced content for a merge. //
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
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I'm probably missing something here but I'm struggling to see the significance of this list. Is there something special or exclusive about overseas teams competing in the round of 64 in this competition since 2015? I can't see how
WP:LISTN or
WP:GNG are met.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Spiderone Keep, but i admit that the page needs of improvements. Can we move the page in the draftspace?
Dr Salvus (
talk) 20:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
We can do if there is consensus for that in this discussion. Generally, though, there would need to be potential for the topic to be encyclopaedic and notable. Are there multiple reliable sources reporting about overseas teams in the round of 64 since 2015?
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Overseas France is France. Unclear why these teams are singled out any differently from teams from Paris or teams from Corsica since there are no sources specifically about the performance of Overseas teams. Respective articles like
2018–19 French Cup show the regions all the teams are from and their performances.
Reywas92Talk 21:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Reywas92: Overseas, as a direct translation of the French Outre-mer does have a specific meaning in France, being shorthand for the collectivity of overseas departments and territories (DOMTOM or départements d'outre-mer et territoires d'outre-mer). In football and Coupe de France terms, I've always referred to these as Overseas departments and territories, because to the casual reader overseas can be confusing - and even could be taken out of context to include Corsica which isn't a contiguous part of mainland france, but is counted as such in organisational terms. The situation on wiki is confused even more by our article on French overseas departments and territories residing since 2017 at
Overseas France. Cheers,
Gricehead (
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Delete - list serves no purpose.
GiantSnowman 21:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
HawkAussie There are differences. This article describes the journey of the overseas teams even in the preliminary rounds. This page has different purposes than the other one you mentioned.
Dr Salvus (
talk) 06:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - list is just abstraction of data from the existing preliminary round articles, and seems to have an arbitrary cutoff of when the detailed coverage of preliminary rounds started on-wiki. Progress of the of overseas teams through their own self-contained competition could be linked from within the other article
Overseas teams in the main competition of the Coupe de France, to render this list completely unnecessary, if that gap explicitly needs to be covered.
Gricehead (
talk) 08:50, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete It's a long title header, I can understand and see what the creator is trying to do, but I don't see this needed really. There are other ways the reader can learn this.
Govvy (
talk) 09:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete As I mentioned at the
WT:FOOTY discussion, don't see a need for this separate article for performances from 2015 onwards.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 12:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete serves no purpose --
Devokewater 15:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:OR: sourcing a page to a single source is not an article, it's original research bordering on a copyright violation. We have never published original research.
Bearian (
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Delete I fail to see how it could be both original research and a copyright violation. Nonetheless, it should be deleted as an arbitrary list.
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A live album by the band Mortician. While they are awesome, I think this album of theirs is not notable. The article was created by a now blocked user back in 2015. Tagged for notability since that same year. Sourced solely to a blank Allmusic page (track listing + user reviews). Couldn't find any decent sources, only the usual junk, like youtube, retail sites, databases, blogs, download links and lyrics sites. No evidence of notability other than the fact that the band is notable.
GhostDestroyer100 (
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Delete per
WP:OR. For the third time today, this is original research of it's sourced to a single website.
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Keep - 3 reliable sources provided above seem good enough for me
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Recognized breed, sources are readily available (but obviously should have been added to the article ab initio...). Added two good ones to the article that seem to cover most of the material. Inline refs would be desirable though. --Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 21:54, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep as per
WP:HEY, now it meets notability criteria.
Onel5969TT me 15:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. I've added some sources and a little sourced content to the page (a good deal of it is duplicated, so it isn't as much as it might seem, and that's not much). This is recognised and reported to
DAD-IS as a breed, so I suppose we have to accept that it is one; on the other hand, it's a tiny group of about twenty donkeys with nothing much to distinguish them from any other donkeys, and of minimal notability or encyclopaedic interest. I usually argue that any breed with official national recognition deserves an independent article, so I suppose that this does too.
Justlettersandnumbers (
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@
Justlettersandnumbers: good call on the "Canadian Journal of Applied Sciences" - looks like it's an
IDOSI journal
[6], with the attendant lack of strict peer review and dodgy credentials; didn't notice when I added that. Still, recognized breed and such. --Elmidae (
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Speedy Keep Yes the creator had asked for a little time as they were not able to move the title of the article (I had earlier CSD'd this - see my talk page) the article has been improved and passes NAUTHOR in my opinion
JW 1961Talk 21:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep - article has been vastly improved and notability is clearly demonstrated
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Article is unreferenced and hasn't been meaningfully updated in years. It's highly unusual to have a separate page for a college yearbook (
Category:Yearbooks has 44 entries, but at most 10 of them are for college yearbooks, and most of those are likely non-notable). A
WP:BEFORE search found nothing useful (even a
Newspapers.com search found only results for an unrelated high school yearbook). {{u|Sdkb}}talk 19:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete year books are almost never indepdently notable.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 16:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Rider University: Article is unsourced OR, I couldn't find any sources for the content, nothing meets SIGCOV with direct and indepth coverage to meet GNG or NBOOK. If someone finds sources for an article, this information could be recovered from the redirect. //
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The result was delete. Sandstein 23:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: Sources in the article are a youtube video of the film, a link about online poker, and a 404 page. So the article is unsourced OR. I couldn't find anything with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth, I don't think there is a good redirect target, but if someone feels strongly about a redirect, no objection, but there is no content for a merge and OR should not be merged. //
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Both albums fail
WP:NMUSIC (and have been tagged as such since 2016). There is no significant coverage to be found other than an
AllMusic review of Red (Yellow has a rating but no review), which is not sufficient. There are no charts, certification, rewards or anything else to suggest notability. I suggest to redirect to
Universal Indicator (collective)#Discography (this nomination is the result of a contested redirection).
Lennart97 (
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Redirect to
Universal Indicator (collective)#Discography: It looks like there are no sources to make this notable. The lead is unreferenced (and is not a summary of the content below). Also, there are probably not enough material to warrant a standalone article. ~
Ase1estecharge-paritytime 09:07, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Cambial Yellowing: which content do you propose to merge, specifically? Neither article has any sourced or substantial content other than the track listing.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 23:16, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I can't find any evidence that this magazine is or was ever notable, perhaps its an issue with the common name but I can't find any sources beyond what I removed because they were all
WP:COPYVIOELs of images of the magazine, so nothing of value was lost even by removing them...
CUPIDICAE💕 19:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: I was a teenager in the UK in the 1980s, and I've never even heard of this magazine. It appears to have been a monthly publication, with each issue focusing solely on one artist and their associated acts, and consisting mostly of a giant fold-out poster, with bits of trivia and gossip about the artist. Definitely aimed more at "fan club" level rather than any serious music publication like NME, Melody Maker, Sounds or Record Mirror. Edit: I've just seen the edit history of this article, and I'm 99% certain I know now who the temporarily-blocked article creator is.
Richard3120 (
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Richard3120 as in a sock or IRL? Also I did a lot of searching for this magazine and the only thing I can find is the ISSN and ebay...doesn't look like it was ever much of anything.
CUPIDICAE💕 20:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Almost certainly yet another sock of one of Wikipedia's most prolific sockers. Going to check their edit history for comparisons.
Richard3120 (
talk) 20:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Interesting, I assumed based on their rapid fire reverting of the AFD template they had to be new! Maybe I'm giving sock masters too much credit.
CUPIDICAE💕 20:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I'm now 99.9% certain, and the article's other editor, Travishill4634, will be the same person as well. Going to open up an SPI.
Richard3120 (
talk) 20:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete and Salt sock editor trying to create article about a non notable magazine that I'm sure if was allowed, he would then say that's proof to continue his disruptive editing about some boy band. NZFC(talk)(cont) 06:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Update: the two editors who created content for this page are confirmed as socks of each other, at least.
Richard3120 (
talk) 13:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:V and
WP:OR. Unreferenced articles are original research, no matter how much this meant to you as a teenager.
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The result was delete based on consensus around the GNG threshold, since specific notability guidance are presumptions subordinate to the general guideline. GoPhightins! 23:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
PROD was added last year due to
WP:NFOOTBALL failure and was removed with According to its article, this is the top-level national league. By insisting that it is not "professional", you are making the sexist argument that women can never be notable in this sport.
Delete - As per above fails GNG and NFOOTBALL.
Cuoxo (
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Blocked for UPE, sockpuppetry.
MER-C 18:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - Fails GNG and NFOOTBALL.
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Feel like this needs more than PROD as it's a longstanding (auto)biography.
The sole claim to notability (being
on the cover of SI) is really that a
photo of him with a teammate is used to accompany an interview with the teammate. There's no information on Goldman there or in any other sourcing I can find with which to build an article.
StarM 18:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete a non-notable college basketball player.
John Pack Lambert (
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Delete concur with nom.
MB 21:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete I believe Goldman fails WP:GNG. Additionally, if this page were to stay up, it would need to be developed significantly. This is certainly a stub.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 23:15, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:OR. Citing it to a fan page is original research, not a Wikipedia article.
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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL.
GiantSnowman 19:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete coverage that I found was primarily routine coverage from Bochum that did not address the individual in-depth. No
significant coverage found and does not appear to pass
WP:GNG.
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Non-notable whisky brand. I found
one book mention for it, but it doesn't look very solid to establish notability. What do whisky conneseurs think?
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The most notable thing about this brand is that it's owned by Actor Dan Aykroyd. While it might not be note-able yet, it's on it way to being so quickly.
Dustintitus (
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Still an unknown quantity in the UK still. Not tried it, but from what I have heard its very sweet. Only seen a couple of reviews on smaller blog sites.
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Comment This article is
WP:TOOSOON, it does need tidying up --
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The result was delete. None of the "keep" opinions (to the extent they are even intelligible) indicate that there are reliable sources for this topic (instead they indicate the opposite, as Elmidae points out). Sandstein 23:12, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
WP:BEFORE brings up nothing that doesn't directly link back to the Tumblr blog "The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows", the most "notable" of which being
a passing reference to the post in the book Feminism and Intersectionality in Academia – another one being a horoscope in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. At its core, this subject has no original, reliable literature upon which to base an encyclopedic entry. At best, this subject in its current state of notability could be reinstated on Wiktionary with attestation such as the aforementioned book chapter mention, but it's so flimsily and nebulously defined by essentially one anonymous person as to be wholly unsuitable for a Wikipedia article. The article's current state – completely uncited, full of unverifiable speculation about when kenopsia may allegedly manifest – reflects this. This was originally PRODed by
Joseywales1961 and was endorsed by me soon after, but it was removed by
Andrew Davidson without a mention in the edit summary, and they haven't gotten back in touch with me. TheTechnician27(Talk page) 17:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment Hey,
Andrew. Topicality doesn't define whether or not a subject merits its own Wikipedia article;
notability guidelines do. A (very) partial merge actually seems like a fine idea to me and like something I would Support, as I wasn't aware TDoS had a Wikipedia page. As I said, I've found citations linking back to this definition, so it would be a pretty trivial matter to include a mention of it under the 'Notable words' section. As far as what can be merged over? I would say "not much". The last two paragraphs are basically unsalvageable OR. Most of the first paragraph is fine, as is the concept's relationship to COVID-19 (
with appropriate sourcing). The best rationale for a merge, in my opinion, is just the redirect that would be created to
The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows. TheTechnician27(Talk page) 20:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete in its current form the article is uncited and OR, a similar BEFORE to the noms was carried out by myself before I PROD'ed this with results as are so well explained by TheTecnician27 above in the nomination for AfD.
JW 1961Talk 18:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Zero treatment in the scientific literature, and outside that it's dictdefs. Without a minimum of independent coverage, there's also no call for merging anything to the article on the dictionary - sensibly that article is not a listing of all the contents and restricts itself to actually notable terms ("Sonder"). --Elmidae (
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Keep/Merge Hello, i am the creator of the article, i had not heard of the concept of Kenopsia until i saw a youtube video which mentioned it and i decided to research, just like you, i couldn't find any reputable sources other then the tumblr blug, after using some of googles tools to try to track down the first mention (as to create a "History" section), but while the tumblr blog wasn't scientific in any way i decided to cite it as it seemed to be the earliest mention of "Kenopsia" and while i do somewhat believe that i should not have written the article due to lack of sources, i didn't realize that there was an article for TDoS already, so i would be fine if it was merged, but my article isn't the first, there's other articles that don't have much of a lead either and they too describe emotions, i couldn't find much about noctcaelador or hireath on google or any other search engines, of course those articles do have better leads then just one tumblr blog, hireath i would like to think is part of welsh culture and the concpet of noctcaelador was created by a William E. Kelly, a person who is likely more known then the tumblr blog i cited for my article, and one last thing before i sign off, i would like to believe that wikipedia is one of the most trusted websites in the world, and we all have our duty to make sure that articles stay true and original, many people use wikipedia and trust it, i've used it for many years, so has everyone i have known, if i wanted to know about something the first place i usually go to is wikipedia, and when an article doesn't exist i use google, but when that just brings up a tumblr blog, i know that i'd want to create an article for it on this safe, trustful website that almost everyone knows about, and so future people won't have to click on a random tumblr link to know more, which is still a risk in 2021, and that's why i not only joined wikipedia but also why i created the article, to share my knowledge with the world, to contribute, to make a little known concept that only a few may have known about, avalible to the entire world population of english speakers and readers, thank you for reading.
OGWFP (
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Let's cut to the chase: i couldn't find any reputable sources other then the tumblr blug - there's your problem. If there are no reliable sources, we cannot have an article. --Elmidae (
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contribs) 22:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows has
WP:MADEUP a lot of neologisms, but they need not be made into redirects. Not a real thing or substantively and reliably covered as such whatsoever.
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I did a quick google search and see the platforms he takes part in, but I don't see the in-depth coverage to pass
WP:GNG in my opinion.
Govvy (
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Delete - For what it's worth, he had a couple of mentions (
[8][9]) in the Guinness Book blog. Apparently for inventing new ways to play Minecraft competitively. As far as I can tell that fizzled, though.
ApLundell (
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Delete - The article fails
WP:GNG as there aren’t much articles made about this person. The only notable articles that I found were two articles from the Guinness World Records. (
Jullian Neon) 20:51, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per lack of
WP:RS, and also
WP:OUTCOMES. Only has poor sources. We have deleted dozens of pages about YouTubers, even those with millions of followers, if they can't be sourced properly.
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This is a low-quality article that is, presently, a brief list of vaguely-cited unencyclopedic views about French people with citations that rarely reach into actual discussions of stereotypes themselves and focus more on whether this purported stereotype is valid. I am unconvinced that this is notable, valuable, or encyclopedic. "Stereotypes of..." pages are something of a "bad edit magnet" in general, and I don't think this page has enough good edits to suggest that there is enough content to justify the existence of this page. It's had a "please improve" tag since last November, with no substantial improvements, and the content (and content quality) of the article appear similar throughout the article's life.
Kistaro Windrider (
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I think my argument was more along the lines of the two articles being duplicative and not seeing any reason not to merge. Your argument seems to be
WP:ILIKEIT. GNG is really not a relevant rebuttal to this nomination.
‡ Єl Cid of Valenciatalk 12:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I was addressing the nomination, specifically the statement "I am unconvinced that this is notable, valuable, or encyclopaedic", not your comment. I was making the point (albeit briefly) that the subject, Stereotypes of French people has significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources, as cited in the article and therefore should not be deleted. Since you have raised your point with me, it should not be re-directed or merged for two reasons 1) the topic is independently notable (see
here,
here, and
here) 2) French stereotypes do not have to have their origins in anti-French sentiment, such as the stereotypes related to romance and sexuality (see
here).
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Keep The article is very poorly written as others have pointed out, but it's definitely fixable. As for notability, the topic is definitely notable, a google search brings up tons of results. I don't think it should be merged to the Anti-French sentiment article as it has received plenty of coverage on its own, and many stereotypes are of a comedic tone and not actually anti-French in nature.
Pladica (
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Merge and redirect. Nominator. I'm ambivalent on what it should be redirected to, but I'm not persuaded this article is valuable. I could easily just not be imaginative enough to see what it could be if it was written well, though; I'd like to hear what folks who think "needs fixing, but keep" is the correct strategy think, vaguely, the article should look like after it's fixed. What presents the topic in a valuable way that isn't the current "list of stuff that just kind of exists"? It'd be a lot more interesting if this had history and cultural context, and I can see the value in a "Stereotypes of..." article in that context. But I don't see any reason to believe that this will ever become that article. I feel bad discussing the article I'd like to see and then not volunteering to write it, but I don't think of myself as good at, well, writing articles.
Kistaro Windrider (
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Keep by gar. It is not the same as anti-French sentiment. Zut alors! Some stereotypes are quite flattering, e.g. great lovers, connoisseurs, suave, etc., n'est pas? Afd is not for cleanup.
Clarityfiend (
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Keep per our policy
WP:ATD, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." There are numerous more sources available for this such as Of Stereotypes and of the French.
Andrew🐉(
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Weak keep. A quick look at GScholar suggest the concept is discussed in scholarly works. There is likely more in French language. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 03:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
If the current title is retained, then it should Redirect to
Anti-French sentiment. There is a disconnect between the title, which is neutral, and current content, which is negative. Other stereotypes off the top of my head are: one of the world's top cuisines, high fashion, luxury branding, classic cinema and New Wave, film stars, world standard for wines, fashionably-dressed women, a vibrant night life, famous artists and museums, the standard for flirtation and seduction, public veneration and interest in intellectual currents, the birth of second-wave feminism and a vibrant feminist scene, a welcoming environment for American blacks discriminated against at home, the French Riviera, world-level engineering in high speed trains, fighter jets, jumbo aircraft, and aerospace; and so on. If the article is kept, either the title or the content has to change, because per
WP:AT, "The title indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles," and currently the article fails that policy.
Mathglot (
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Keep: I think the topic is notable without even looking and looking at sources in the article show this. I don't think this article should be merged or redirected to
Anti-French sentiment, sentiment and stereotypes are two different things (eg: there are "positive" sterotypes such as in the High Fashion and romance sections, but anti-sentiment would obviously always be negative). The article defintely needs to be expanded //
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The result was delete. Sandstein 23:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NOTDIR. No significant reliable sources on page. On inspection linked sources are either dead or
WP:UGC. NY Times cite on page does not mention the model of bus it is used against.
Nightfury 14:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep, I don't see a substantial question as to whether this is verifiable regardless of the current state of links on the page. The history of the MTA's infrastructure, as with any comparably large and notable transit agency, is a relevant part of our coverage. postdlf (talk) 17:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete and keep general information in the active fleet page.
Mtattrain (
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Delete Sourced to personal websites, fails
WP:GNG.----
Pontificalibus 10:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
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The result was keep. It turns out that the deletion request by the now-blocked IP was some kind of trolling attempt. Sandstein 19:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Procedural, completing the AFD nom for
85.84.33.17, who added the template but did not finish the nomination. ---
Possibly (
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Comment - The deletion request by IP
85.84.33.17 is retaliatory in nature.
Netherzone (
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Yes it is pretty pointless as far as I can see (meets
WP:ARTIST 4.d) but we have in the past entertained badly formed AFD requests by disruptive editors. The alternative was to delete the malformed AfD request, which I did, but then reconsidered.---
Possibly (
talk) 22:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep - The subject of the article meets notability criteria for
WP:ARTIST as her work has been collected by several museums. All of these collections are verifiable.
Netherzone (
talk) 23:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Also, a permanent block or ban for the nominating IP and their socks please.
Vexations (
talk) 22:50, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the notoriety of the subject. Do not base the entire article on original primary sources directly involved. User
Vexations You must allow your opinion and comment on the subject in question, this is not a fascism or Nazi dictatorship asking for an indiscriminate blockade without arguments.--
85.84.33.17 (
talk) 12:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - There is something called a presumption of innocence and that investigation has no course whatsoever, it is just a retaliation for the editor's ego. It is noted that you are an intimate "friend" of
Possibly, but here what is nominated is the Article for deletion by Alice Sakitnak Akammak that lacks independent sources. That said, user
Netherzone speaks of retaliation. It is necessary to remember that the real retaliation is generated by your group of friends:
Netherzone,
Possibly,
Vexations, and
SlimVirgin. A group that always goes together and supports and defends each other. The bad thing is that they also get together for retaliation and conspire against who dares to criticize them, becoming the rustler group, an organized group (mafia) of wikipedia. That said, you can block me. I'd rather die standing than live kneeling. Your group is also being investigated for a long time. Greetings. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
85.84.33.17 (
talk) 13:08, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - I will NOT defend myself against that absurd accusation because I almost always forget to log in, so the different IPs are generated and when I remember to log in I forget the password. That is not a crime. Greetings and more serious is yours. You are always the same.--
85.84.33.17 (
talk) 13:18, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep NARTIST 4(d), and OMG what a bunch of trollery from that IP. Sorry about that.
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Delete does not meet the notabilty guidelines for politicians.
John Pack Lambert (
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Delete. People do not get an automatic free pass over
WP:NPOL just for holding unelected roles as regional political organizers, but this is not referenced to anything like enough
reliable source coverage about her to get her over
WP:GNG for it.
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Delete: Reliable sources are weak and non notable politician.
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Unable to find RS to establish notability. Plus, the books mentioned don't seem to turn up on a DDG search. If bio does not satisfy
WP:NACADEMIC then delete
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Complete
WP:CRUFT with no sourcing. I'd be mildly forgiving if it were a list of characters across the entire Khan Kluay franchise, but it seems to only cover the first film. (The film page is iffy quality itself, but has a greater claim to notability.) Kncny11(shoot) 23:22, 24 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Khan Kluay#Characters where the primary characters of the film are already listed. This list is completely unsourced and as this just covers a single movie, it is not a reasonable
WP:SPLIT from the film's main article.
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The result was keep.
Daniel (
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I'm not crazy, the #1 Bar would be notable, but
looking at the archive, it doesn't appear that's what Esquire actually said. It seems to be UCG based on the slider. Either way, not a clear pass for notability. It got some buzz around an Ozzy Osbourne cease & desist and is used as a location in the Wire, but not sure that all adds up, so thought it worth discussion.
StarM 02:37, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment: A newspapers.com search shows 1,795 post-1996 hits for "The Brewer's Art", including several half-page spreads in the Baltimore Sun (e.g.,
1;
2;
3). And according to
this article, "Draft Magazine also chose the Brewer's Art ... among its 100 best beer bars of 2003. ... Similarly, Esquire chose Brewer's Art as one of its best bars in the U.S." The "#1 Bar" moniker appears to be a bit misleading (
details—basically, it claimed the top spot for a short while based on user votes using that slider), although it has some significance, and Esquire also "listed the Brewer’s Art as one of the best bars in America in June 2007." --
Usernameunique (
talk) 07:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks
usernameunique. Trying to see if I can access the Baltimore Sun pieces.
StarM 15:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Star Mississippi, here you go:
1;
2;
3;
4. Not the easiest to read, unfortunately—newspapers.com seems to have a maximum width for clippings—but hopefully they help. --
Usernameunique (
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
Brewer's Art was another brewpub that opened within the city limits of Baltimore, in the resonant Mount Vernon area. The genesis of Brewer's Art came about like many great ideas—from a few friends sitting in a bar. One of these was historian Volker Stewart. [12 more sentences about the founding of Brewer's Art]
In September of 1996 Brewer's Art opened its doors to the cost of $525,000. The first batch of beer was brewed in December of that year. The first year went well, and brewery production ran at around 500 barrels per year. The first year went well, and brewery production ran at around 500 barrels year. There was a learning curve moving from home brewing to industrial production that was quickly sorted out. During the first year (1997) Stewart lost two partners. The first chose to leave the business and the other moved to France (and became a silent partner). Despite these changes, Stewart weathered the storm and did so successfully. Helping him keep the brewery on track was his brewmaster Steve Frazier, a physicist by training, a brewmaster at heart. [Eight more sentences about Brewer's Art and Frazier's work at Brewer's Art]
The book notes on
page 304 that the Brewer's Art "was fighting an infringement claim in 2014 for their Ozzy beer label with the Osbourne family" and spends a paragraph discussing the infringement claim.
The article notes, "The Brewer's Art is known nationally as a top bar destination, scoring a nod from Esquire magazine in 2009 as the No. 1 bar in America."
This is a restaurant review. The article notes, "Located in the heart of Baltimore, The Brewer's Art has rightfully earned a reputation as a Mecca of artfully crafted beer laid against the backdrop of a fine dining experience." The article further notes about The Brewer's Art, "a visually captivating blend of stark white and black paint, contemporary art and the modern American brewing tradition nestled with surprising comfort in a renovated brownstone born of Victorian restrain".
The article notes, "Sure, Brewer’s Art’s Green Peppercorn Tripel and its Ozzy golden ale can impress you with their corked 750-milliliter bottles, but when you're enjoying Mellow Mushroom’s roof deck on a warm September afternoon, iconoclasm tastes best."
The article notes about The Brewer's Art, "The two-storied Mount Vernon beer haven has been popular since it opened in 1996, and when talking with owner Volker Stewart, that success seems almost effortless: no gimmicks, no marketing strategy, just solid products."
The article notes, "When the Brewer's Art opened in 1996, servers spent a lot of time educating guests on the farm-to-table food and experimental beer the restaurant was making."
The article notes, "On the way, I stop at the Brewer’s Art, a local landmark of a bar in a beautifully preserved row house in the historic Mount Vernon neighborhood." The article later notes, "Wide selection of ales and an ambitious gastropub menu."
The article notes, "calling the Brewer’s Art (1106 North Charles Street; 410-547-6925; www.thebrewersart.com) a bar is like calling crabs just another shellfish. Housed in a classic town house, the pub takes its beers very seriously, pouring everything from Trappist ales from Belgium to local microbrews like Clipper City Pale Ale."
The article notes, "The Brewer’s Art is a beloved Baltimore brewpub known for its beers and its basement lounge, where patrons can gather around the bar or find a nook for quiet conversation. The restaurant serves modern fare with a Baltimore twist—think squash pierogies with oxtail ragout."
The article notes, "enter the Brewer's Art through the basement door. You'll be in the best bar I've found in ages. Dark and warm, with low brick ceilings, arched doorways into hidden nooks, and lots of great beers on tap, the Art's underground spot welcomes all types without judgment, late into the night."
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Keep - Article is currently anemic, but notable per Cunard's above elaboration of substantive secondary sources.
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None of the sources cited mention anything even closely resembling the article title (closest was probably "solo freestyle" in the "Brief History of Clog Dancing" link). A web search for several subsequences of the current title returned no results, "traditional informal folk" has apparently one real result on Google Scholar, but only relating to Tibetan culture. This seems to be original research or even a hoax, assuming the current title is correct.
𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (
𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. there's a long discussion on the article talk page about why this is notable, with which I agree, and to which I refer; but there does seem to be agreement thee that a differently worded title might be needed. Judging for deletion on the basis of a web search of a title is hazardous--it's a useful step to see quickly if are references, which might make it unnecessary to do a full properly conceived search for the subject no matter how expressed; however, searching for general subjects or ones which might be worded in many ways is difficult. DGG (
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Keep The topic is definitely notable, although this article is pretty bad, and the title is also unwieldly. Perhaps it would be better off as a list article linking to the types of dancing with a quick description of each?
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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Delete and add to
WP:DAWFT due to the unwieldly title and lack of sources. Even just skimming through lightly, I can see not nearly enough citations are there. Even though I know this is a bad idea to mention in an AfD, I would suggest
WP:TNT.
4D4850 (
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Delete. The article cites no reliable sources that verify the substance of its contents, making this fail
WP:V and probably
WP:NOR, never mind
WP:N. If something like this really existed with this silly name, finding sources for it should be trivial. If this isn't a hoax or made up one day, it's hard to distinguish from that. Sandstein 19:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: Article is OR essay, I seriously doubt there is a notable article here, but if there is this needs TNT for it to emerge. //
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Delete not even close to meeting the inclusion criteria for articles on actresses.
John Pack Lambert (
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Comment I was hoping she's be in more than one episode of the Big Bang, but it would seem not. All she seems to have done are bit parts.
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Keep I was able to find and add sources (in addition to what was already in the article about her starring role in a film) that indicate she has starred in two films and had what appears to be a substantial role in another film, in addition to her notable television appearance. Per
WP:NACTOR, she appears to have had "significant roles" in multiple productions.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:45, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
this is nothing more than an overblown PR piece. I had assumed that someone appointed to the UNGA would be notable, but that doesn't appear to be the case. The other 3 people who were appointed are notable, however, not for being appointed and have held other positions (elected or otherwise) that meet
WP:NPOL. The coverage here is minimal and the original claim that he was a "strong contender" for the US Attorney position are contradicted by two of the sources here, one which says he considered running vs. being considered by Trump. In any case, it never went anywhere and beyond a few GOP talking heads saying "he's great!" there isn't any coverage of it.
None of the other positions he's held are notable, they're basically assistant to the notable person/position.
As a note, I really dug into the UNGA positions and
based on our article and the fact that even voted-on chairs and committee members don't have articles/aren't notable leads me to believe this one-time appointee with no meaningful coverage isn't either. (I know, I know.
WP:OSE but I was using this as a gage of our standards for these positions.)
CUPIDICAE💕 13:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete I did some digging as well and didn't see anything aside from a few mentions that he might be "in the mix" for the US Attorney of Philadelphia and the UN delegation. Doesn't look to be notable.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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Note An "overblown PR piece" is hardly fair considering I included an article critical of his association with Trump Bedminster Golf Club. His position with NJDEP is relevant to that relationship. Another contributor added the information about U.S Attorney which I agree is not relevant as he was never nominated nor is there any indication he was being considered by Trump. I disagree that someone appointed to UNGA is not notable. The lack of entries for those persons should not justify the oversight. There is additional information on him, including his association with Trump that I plan on adding. I was also planning on entries for the other three members appointed, but will wait to see if this article is deleted.
Tommybrae (
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I'm not going to touch on the many reasons why your assertions are wrong, but I will note that the other three members do have articles because they were notable before the appointment and not because of it. Two were elected to congress which inherently meets
WP:NPOL, another is the commissioner of
American Battle Monuments Commission (though I have some doubts about notability because of this, she also meets
WP:NACADEMIC). The difference between those three women and Giordano? They all have coverage and held notable positions as per
WP:NPOL. Giordano has not and does not have the required coverage that is required to establish notability.
CUPIDICAE💕 16:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
First you slammed a very neutral article as "an overblown PR piece" and now you cancel me as "wrong" without providing any meaningful feedback that will help me improve my skills or provide me with guidance to include additional information that would meet the threshold. I expected more from this community. I will continue to add info as time allows until a decision is made.
Tommybrae (
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Delete - The main thrust for notability is representing the Us in the UN General Assembly. Although one might 3expect that to be notable, it needs to be demonstrated with significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. In my search, I did not find such coverage. --
Whpq (
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Keep but it could probably use more of a re-write with more sources to further demonstrate notability. John Giordano is becoming mildly notable per his positions and appointments. His range of positions are notable, though not excessively so. But I think that more sources and citations could further show the context of his mild notability. -
KJS ml343x (
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Can you provide any of the sources that show his notability? I looked for a while and had no luck.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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KJS ml343xnone of his appointed positions meet
WP:NPOL and he has never been elected to an office.
CUPIDICAE💕 16:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete hasn't received enough coverage to demonstrate notability, and if kept, probably needs to be renamed since he's clearly not a politician.
SportingFlyerT·C 18:13, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Note Praxidicae, who submitted this for deletion, continues to make edits to the article. They have have added content they believe is noteworthy along with comments to justify the inclusion. I don't believe someone would spend time improving an article they truly believed should be deleted. I hope this justifies keeping the article. Then Praxidicae can continue to edit.
Tommybrae (
talk) 21:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding
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Tommybrae (
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How ridiculous. This should still be deleted, my edits were merely reverting your blatant attempt at whitewashing.
CUPIDICAE💕 22:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
You've omitted a fact: You added a sentence with the source. I didn't think it was germane so I deleted it (I still think it isn't). You reverted my edit thus re-adding your sentence. And now we are having a lively debate about content on a article! Again, you have shown it is worthy of keeping.
Tommybrae (
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Do not put words in my mouth, I have not and will not advocate for keeping this article. He isn't notable and you haven't found a single source that would establish that he is.
CUPIDICAE💕 23:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I did not "put words in your mouth" but you did put words in the article after having submitted it for deletion. You can't have it both ways - it should be available for anyone to edit, not just you until you cancel it for everyone else.
Tommybrae (
talk) 00:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Are you insinuating that a nominator cannot edit the article or it invalidates the nomination?
CUPIDICAE💕 00:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Tommybrae you're really failing to understand the basics of Wikipedia. How do you even have admin rights? Easy. I don't. But my comments here and edits to the article aren't what preclude me from being an admin.
CUPIDICAE💕 13:33, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment It is not unusual for long-time editors to find an article worthy of deletion, yet make edits in a good faith effort to bring the entry nearer to acceptable standards. This is what I attempted at a related biography,
Gregory Montanaro, which was in far worse condition. This is done in much the same spirit as ministering to the terminally ill.
2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (
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Delete: Sourcing entirely fails to push this across the line of
NPOL,
NBIO or
GNG.
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Redirect Character not notable enough for his own article. It is worth noting, however, that I had a ferret named Detective Vic Mackey.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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Merge. There is some reception, but it seems to fail
WP:SIGCOV - it's one-two sentences about this character here and there. Still, this can be salvaged by merging the reception section, which is much more important for us than the plot summary fancruft (which can happily exist on some fan wikia). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Comment- As a significant contributor to this article, that approach would be welcomed should the consensus here be for delete (which is looking likely). The reception section is the only part I'm responsible for anyway, the plot summary was resurrected from years ago. Should the reception be merged into Gardocki's section on
List of The Shield characters, I'd probably be willing to add similar sections for the other major characters there too-- among other things, the article as a whole needs some serious work. Ridiculously over detailed. Also, if there are any experienced users reading this with knowledge of The Shield, I'd appreciate their opinion on as to whether any of the other more major characters may perhaps be notable enough for a stsndalone article. Which, again, I'd probably be willing to give a go. Thanks.
VideoGamePlaya (
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Redirect Content can be merged either way if someone finds it necessary.
Raymond3023 (
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Merge It's debatable whether it's enough to pass
WP:N but there is some good content to
WP:PRESERVE. The target is almost all primary sourced and needs some help.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
The singer doesn't appear to be notable enough to have a own article. The article has multiple issues, lacks of good references and fails
WP:MUSICBIO and
WP:GNG.
Lorik17 (
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Delete not even close to meeting our inclusion criteria for musicians.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Artist doesn't appear to be notable enough to have a own article. The article has multiple issues, lacks of good references and fails
WP:MUSICBIO and
WP:GNG.
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Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for musicians.
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Yes, I googled + researched her. --
Devokewater 22:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep the article needs to be rewritten with better sources. But a cursory search suggests
WP:SIGCOV. Will work on incorporating some this week.
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Keep She meets notability criteria and via Google I found a wide number of credible news media based sources documenting her dancing and contest career. The article should be re-written a bit, fleshed out, and more sources added. I believe
WP:SIGCOV comes into play. Hollie Robertson definitely seems to be notable enough to merit inclusion, but better and more sources are needed.
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Keep She is notable and passes
WP:GNG but agree that the page could be improved.
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The result was no consensus. This is a close call, but after two relists and very limited support in favor of keeping, I am going to go ahead and close this one without prejudice against a future nomination. Note that this does not imply the current state of the article is acceptable, but the notability argument has not reached consensus after two bites at the relisting apple. GoPhightins! 00:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Promo article on a non notable film writer who fails to satisfy any criterion from
WP:CREATIVE, & following a
WP:BEFORE search I observed the subject of the article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources hence falls to satisfy
WP:GNG also. Celestina007 (
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Keep The article (
/info/en/?search=Janardhana_Maharshi) was initially deleted, As I've not given any links before. They were added later and was undeleted.
Janardhana Maharshi is a very notable Person, So please kindly keep this article. Thank you.
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Keep Google search results suggest that Janardhana Maharshi is a moderately notable person in the world of Telugu filmmaking. Some of the article sources seem significant enough news sources to demonstrate Janardhana Maharshi's notability, other of the sources look a bit low quality to me. I think the subject just barely meets
WP:CREATIVE, as for
WP:GNG the Telugu language news sources I see in Google augment the English language ones. The sources are reliable and known from the context of Southern Indian news media, and the subject seems to have sufficient coverage therein to merit inclusion. I think the article should be kept: but should be definitely improved and re-worked a bit.
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Comment - not a problem, we all do this from time to time. In future, please consider tagging
WP:G7.
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The result was keep.
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In itself, the platform is easy to master: you must first create a file in English, then offer equivalences in other languages. However, we have noticed that most of the definitions that are not written in English are translations. ... TermWiki also has an infuriating number of typos as a “first step”. In addition, the tabs and divisions of the site are innumerable, which makes navigation sometimes complicated, and some pages are not translated. ... Unveiled to the public in May 2011 by CSOFT, the free version of TermWiki already has more than 11 million terms in 75 languages and millions of users. So while the terminology tool is still in its infancy, it has potential if the global community
This is a 368-word review of TermWiki in a Romanian journal article. The review notes:
In our opinion, Termwiki is a complex cloud-based terminology management tool, a good solution for professionals and enterprises and an excellent training ground for students. It is also a successful online open community of terminologists outstanding activity consists of glossaries in 102 languages, classified in 1 716 categories, and comprising 5 610 207 terms.
The journal article provides three sentences of coverage of TermWiki: "In the point of view of terminology, the most interesting Wiki project is maybe TermWiki, which is a free, multiple-language, online, collective terminology database. The reason TermWiki is new and interesting is because it combines the features of collective free multiple language dictionaries and features of popular social network sites. TermWiki allows non-professionals, professionals, terminologists and translators to share knowledge, edit pages of terms or create brand new pages."
The book provides four sentences of coverage about TermWiki. The book notes: "[two sentences about TermWiki] Although the open version of TermWiki presents a vast and interesting collection of layperson-generated term records on a wide range of subjects, it is unclear the extent to which professional terminologists actually consult or make use of this collection. However, TermWiki also offers private, professional versions that could be used internally within an organization by a 'closed crowd' in a manner similar to that of the MTCF described above."
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Keep per
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Do not show significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Fails
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weak keep all the major references are IMDB, and can not be considered as reliable, maybe someone can try to add more sources and re write it properly.
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Delete IMDb is not a realible source and we need to stop building articles on it.
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delete I couldnt find anything to establish notability under
WP:GNG, or
WP:NCREATIVE. IMDb is not a realible source and we need to stop building articles on it. —usernamekiran
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Total failure of
WP:V and has been since creation. I will happily withdraw this nomination if anyone can even provide so much as a scrap of proof that such a mountain exists, but to the greatest extent of my ability to search, I have not been able to do so. GEOnet shows no results for the word "cesius" in Chile, and since "cerro" means mountain, that nets you, oh, 6000+ results, so that doesn't help.
Absolutely zero hits on Google or GBooks. Every hit I found was a false positive - typos, hits on similar words, or instances where a sentence ends with Cerro and the next one starts with Cesius, or vice versa. No article on any other wiki to swipe sources from. ♠
PMC♠
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Delete Fails
WP:V, even if it does exist it fails
WP:GEOLAND. There are a large number of named and unnamed peaks in the Chilean Andes that would fail
WP:GEOLAND where no information beyond statistics and coordinates exist e.g.
[10], and
here is a list of 40 peaks from 4270 to 4293M elevation, all sourced to maps, only some of which are named, and that's the 49th page of 40 for Chilean mountains.----
Pontificalibus 09:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete, per nom. I can't find any evidence that this mountain exists.
SailingInABathTub (
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Delete Although I found this totally legitimate
word search for mountains in Chile which includes Cerro Cesius, that's literally the only thing I could find that wasn't ripped off from Wikipedia.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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It exists. I tracked it down on a map. It appears to be a typo that's manifested across Wikipedia languages. There's not much on Cerro Ceusis apart from a mention in a scholarly journal and a listing in a Chilean governmental document.
[11]SportingFlyerT·C 00:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
SportingFlyer, thanks for finding that. I tried to double check to see if there were any further sources that would show the topic meets
WP:GEOLAND, but I can't find any, so ultimately I'm still in favor of not having a standalone. But I wouldn't argue with a redirect to maybe
List of mountains in the Andes (under the corrected spelling, of course). ♠
PMC♠
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I think a redirect makes a lot of sense. I know this isn't technically evidence of anything, but the fact this can go unnoticed for so long clearly shows it's not notable.
SportingFlyerT·C 10:25, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - per above, this is an incorrect name, and the actual mountain probably isn't notable. A redirect from the correct spelling would make sense, but I don't think we should be propagating an error by having this spelling.
Hog FarmTalk 14:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Agree - should probably have written "a redirect makes a lot of sense, from the correct spelling."
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL.
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Subject is not regarded as an important figure or is not widely cited by peers or successors.
Subject is not known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique.
Subject has not created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work.
Subject's works have not: (a) become a significant monument, (b) not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) not won significant critical attention, or (d) not been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
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Comment: The nominator makes no claim to have carried out a search for sources, but there are quite a few—especially under Sadhu's Bengali name, হুমায়ূন সাধু. He also has a
considerably longer article on Bengali Wikipedia, with 19 sources. This feels like a case where notability would be clear were it not for the language barrier. --
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Weak Keep- Per
this source and wide spread coverage and tributes in all major media publications.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Note: By all indications, this article is on a different subject than that of previous AFDs. Usedtobecool☎️ 10:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Fair point - the previous AfDs related to
this person, a young green activist associated with a "Plant for the Planet" initiative. The two will need to be distinguished for this AfD.
AllyD (
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Delete. The most relevant notability guideline here is
WP:PROF. The subject is a current PhD student, with an h-index of 5 and top-cited paper with 14 cites in GScholar
[12], way too low for
WP:PROF#C1. There are several awards listed but they are mostly student level/promise awards or else not sufficiently significant to indicate notanility under either
WP:PROF#C2 or
WP:PROF#C1 on their own. The case for
WP:GNG/
WP:BIO is also too weak as with the exception of the Kathmandou Post article, the other sources are either primary or non-independent or both. In any case, for a GNG pass for a blogger, I think we'd need a great deal more significant independent coverage than is indicated here right now.
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Delete totally fails the academic notability guidelines. Also does not pass the writer notability guidelines.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Indiscriminate combination of various uses of the word "information" in physics, apparently written as an
essay in 2005 and never fixed. PROD declined. Actual scientific literature will sometimes use the words "physical" and "information" in proximity, but as
we've seen before, the
bag-of-words approach to judging notability does not work for technical topics.
XOR'easter (
talk) 04:40, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete, basically per
WP:TNT. The physical aspects of information theory have been studied, there are survey articles about this general topic (e.g.
[13]), and we have appropriate articles on aspects of this general topic; see e.g.
Black hole information paradox.
Extreme physical information seems to be something else, a fuzzy topic in mathematics studied by a few fuzzy mathematicians following a book Physics from Fisher information by Frieden that
MR1676801 strongly suggests as being fringe; I'm skeptical that it's notable but in any case it is better covered at its link than here. This article seems to be even less than either of those things: a grab-bag of topics linked only by the words "physical" and "information". I don't think it is salvageable, except maybe by throwing away all but the "see also" section and calling it a disambiguation page, but even then it probably wouldn't meet the standards for what should be a disambiguation page. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 06:21, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes, the "physics from Fisher information" business is very fuzzy, with a lot of assuming-the-desired-answer
[14][15][16].
XOR'easter (
talk) 06:46, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment I have to be away for a while, probably longer than this AfD will run, tending to other things, but hopefully it will shake out adequately without me.
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She makes things that are sold in some gift shops, but does not rise to the level of meeting GNG. The article has previously been deleted under this name and under a similar name (Afd discussion on the latter
here.)
Kbabej (
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Delete Blatantly advertising..also she does not meet notability guidelines. Also, as noted, previously deleted. I seldom, if ever, vote delete, but this merits a delete for sure.Antonio The Airbus A380 Martin (
como?) 05:18, 3 March, 2021 (UTC)
Delete falls incredibly short of GNG. Best,
GPL93 (
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Delete: per others.--by
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Delete In agreement with prior comments.
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Fails
WP:GNG.
WP:BEFORE reveals no substantive discussion of the award. Prize does not inherit notability from being awarded to notable people. WhinyTheYounger (WtY)(
talk,
contribs) 04:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep A respectable award, named after a notable person, awarded to notable people by a notable society. Not seeing the problem.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 16:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep First off, if you're looking for sources look for the Alice Hunt Bartlett Award as well as Prize, as both terms are used. It is listed as an award in
The National Directory of Grants and Aid to Individuals in the Arts, International and is mentioned in tons of literary directories from the period it was awarded. Listed
here in the 1985 Book Publishing Annual. It's mentioned as an award for everyone who's won it in the Who's Who books of poets, it's mentioned in Library of Congress Information Bulletins
[17]. It's even in an issue of the
Statesman from 1968. To me this is an example of an enormous amount of mentions establishing notability. All of these sources wouldn't be noting that someone won the award, or that the award was getting ready to be announced, or an author mentioning the award without the award being notable.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
talk) 16:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep referred to in The Times as "Britain's major annual poetry prize": The Times Diary, Author: PHS, Date: Thursday, May 21, 1970, Issue: 57875
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WP:GNG.
WP:BEFORE reveals no substantive discussion of the award. Prize does not inherit notability from being awarded to notable people. WhinyTheYounger (WtY)(
talk,
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 09:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
The article has no reference at all. A search on Google only found really scant remarks of the concept, and all of the results are on blog-like page and none of them are
WP:RS. Google Scholar results and searches on journals turns up nothing.
SunDawn (
talk) 04:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete As the nominator says.
SoyokoAnis 00:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: Barely found anything about the term. ASTIG😎(
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To gives examples, in the first sentence of the non-lead section of the article, it states that Northwestern European people have been identified as a distinct pan-ethnic grouping. They have been researched in academia in historical, cultural, linguistic and anthropological studies.[1][2][3]Neither of the three citations with quotes back up the first sentence's claim that Northwestern European people "have been identified as a distinct pan-ethnic grouping", that's clearly a novel synthesis.
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 03:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete as
synthesis. So many different usages are being crammed together that the page ultimately conveys no information beyond what applying basic English syntax to the title would yield, i.e., "people from a northwestern part of Europe".
XOR'easter (
talk) 05:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete as both synthesis, and being pointless. As mentioned above, one learns nothing from reading the article other than "this is what people from NW Europe are like", which is already adequately covered on the individual articles for the distinct ethnic groups that make up this apparently-made-up conglomeration.
ƒirefly (
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DeleteWP:SYNTH and note that the article lacks coverage of the (blood) quantum black hole that forms when a Northwest European mates with a South Eastern European. -
Roxy the grumpy dog.wooF 14:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Made-up topic. Arbitrary classifactions by demographers and a compass-point do not define a "pan-ethnic grouping". We already have too much articles about made-up "pan"-groupings here, but this one beats them all. –
Austronesier (
talk) 13:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
^Konrad Ehlich; Johannes Wagner (1995). "Negotiation discourse and interaction in a cross-cultural perspective". The Discourse of Business Negotiation (Studies in Anthropological Linguistics).
De Gruyter Mouton. p. 185.
ISBN978-3110140392. This also explains why bargaining spans tend to be so great at the outset: this should by no means be interpreted (as many Northwest European people would probably do) as lack of empathy or concern with the other party's standpoint, but rather a tension-creating device
^Ian Haney López (2006). "Ozawa and Thind". White by Law: The Legal Construction of Race.
NYU Press. p. 75.
ISBN978-0814736944. "In a variety of surveys, the American population ranked Northwestern Europeans highest, then the South-Central-Eastern Europeans, in turn the Japanese and Chinese, and finally blacks." A year after the decision in Thind, Congress responded to this popular prejudice with immigration quotas
^Leslie Page Moch (2009). "Migration in the Twentieth Century". Moving Europeans, Second Edition: Migration in Western Europe since 1650.
Indiana University Press. p. 186.
ISBN978-0253215956. Among the immigrant groups from cultures whose religious practices and perceived appearance were distinct from those of northwestern Europeans, the Turks are most important.
Delete The reference is just a mish mash of everything termed "Northwestern European" while the article fails to establish that such pan-ethnic group even existed. The fact that there are people living in NE Europe geographically does not mean that they are a pan-ethnic group. When a news article about prostate cancer is being referenced in a pan-ethnic group article it shows that the references are a bit dubious.
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Delete: per others.--by
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The result was keep.
Daniel (
talk) 09:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Unclear why this person is notable. She seem to have won a large number of awards that are of unclear notability from a small number of organizations, and founded an organization and festival that are also of unclear notability. I have had difficulty finding mentions of her in
WP:RS's.
Phuzion (
talk) 03:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
keep, quite a large number of recognition and awards. Needs some cleanup,
WP:RESUME applies here. --
hroest 21:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Seems to have sufficient coverage. Does need some tidying, but
WP:DINC. -
Kj cheetham (
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Speedy keep: Because it not fail gng yet.--by
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Fails
WP:NCORP. News articles on the closure of a business are trivial routine coverage per NCORP. Zero sources outside local news or trade magazines.
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WP:GNG and
WP:SPLIT. This article doesn't go into a whole lot of detail (at least, detail that would go beyond a simple summary in
2006 United States House of Representatives elections in Michigan) into a race that was supposedly somewhat competitive but ultimately did not switch seats, so there's no indication for any special notability regarding this story. Much of the article is instead focused on providing a
WP:BIO on the Democratic nominee who lost to the Republican incumbent, so if there is some notability to be found in that topic, I would recommend an entire revamp of the article so it could revolve around that person.
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The result was Speedy Delete - No credible claims of notability. --
MichaelGreiner 03:54, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I can find no indication online this racer is currently a notable professional (participating in professional-grade tournaments) to the level that would meet
WP:NSPORT. I can find no race information or meaningful secondary sources at all.
Sauzer (
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Delete Not notable, lacks sourcing, clearly promo.
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Apart from a single book from John Arnott, there is not much mention on this concept. A search on Google Scholar founds out there is no mention of this marketing concept. The article also didn't have any references.
SunDawn (
talk) 01:18, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Zero sources found.
Oaktree b (
talk) 01:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete As above, I was unable to locate any good secondary references. Some marketing news uses of the phrase are out there, such as
here, but nothing to suggest the notability of the concept.
Sauzer (
talk) 02:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete No sources and a quick search also brought up nothing of note.
Redoryxx (
talk) 06:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: per above.--
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Delete no good reason to have this list. It is also not clearly defined.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 19:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Per above and it's a stub.
SoyokoAnis 01:25, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete as an indiscriminate list. –
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Delete, per nom and poor sourcing.
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
No significant coverage, the only source included is a feasibility study (primary source), and from what I can tell this hasn't gone anywhere in the past few years.
Elliot321 (
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Delete: does not meet GNG and since its just a study, NGEO doesn't apply. //
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:24, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Appears to be primarily a promotional article. Very few sources are available online. I could find no immediate hits on news searches. The article was mainly written by compensated and disclosed editors.
Sauzer (
talk) 23:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
You're correct. I told her what she needed to do for it to not get flagged for deletion, but she refused to provide me with anything that fit under
WP:RS, and eventually canned me because I was telling her what she hired me to tell her but didn't want to hear and accused me of being a pariah to Wikipedia admins.--
Scottandrewhutchins (
talk) 03:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete we need to put the kabbosh on people paying their way to Wikipedia inclusion.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 18:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete The converge are not from any notable media, hence it doesn't meet
WP:GNG. Also can't find much in Google news.
Expertwikiguy (
talk) 10:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:SIGCOV. The Times article is not about her primarily. The other sources are not secondary, or are not independent.
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The result was keep. Perhaps further discussion about the general notability/criteria for these sorts of bibliographies is warranted, but insofar as current policy permits them, there appears to be consensus that this one is okay to retain. No prejudice against this conversation continuing elsewhere. GoPhightins! 23:48, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Currently on hiatus from AfD, but got a few of those 'deprod per WP:DEPROD' summaries in my watchlist. Article is a borderline case at absolute best for
WP:LISTN/
WP:LISTPURP, presenting a heterogeneous list of books on a broad topic with little indication of use to readers. It has classic
WP:SYNTH issues built into the process and which can't be avoided or edited out of. (Page creator has chosen not to be notified for AfDs.)
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 23:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep The talk of WP:SYNTH is nonsense. The territory of Gibraltar is well-defined and rich in history and so there are numerous books and documents about it. It is easy to find multiple published bibliographies for this place and
this book has pages of them including A Gibraltar Bibliography; An introduction to the documents relating to the international status of Gibraltar, 1704 - 1934; A bibliography of Gibraltar 1939-1945; Gibraltar: bibliography - local and military history up to 28 February 1978; &c. The topic therefore passes
WP:LISTN easily while the purpose of the list is obvious and respectable.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 23:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Existence of specialized bibliographies with specific themes (and certainly annotations as well!) is no basis for this bibliography that's just random titles of books on the broader topic. Wikipedia is not just a list of titles of unrelated publications on history, travel, and "Military Anecdotes" on a wide topic with no inclusion criteria. Unclear what makes this an encyclopedic compilation any more than typing "Gibraltar" into your library's catalogue or Google Books, or what the title of a handbook to visiting Spain being next to the title of a book on fortifications is supposed to provide readers.
History_of_Gibraltar#References provides just as useful of a list of books on the territory.
Reywas92Talk 01:13, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Noting similarities, I found this page is just a copy-and-paste of that references section when the page was created in 2013:
[1]. What the hell is the point of this???? Speedy delete as not a freaking article, just pointless duplication.
Reywas92Talk 01:17, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
WP:OSE, many of those articles pages were created by the same person and are likewise useless. There's no reason to keep this when when it's so clearly arbitrary and of no use and a
WP:REDUNDANTWP:DUPLICATE.
Reywas92Talk 02:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I noted this in response to your similar comment in the other pending bibliography AFD, but just so it's here in this discussion as well: OSE states "When used correctly, these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes." postdlf (talk) 15:13, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Our bibliography articles are often the labor of love for one person or otherwise completely neglected. Still, they are considered a valid form of list (although there's a good question of whether they belong in projectspace or mainspace). There is a good point about scope here, though. What is the inclusion criteria? What sort of inclusion criteria would be reasonable? Is it even realistic? My initial reaction is that we should Keep and Split as/when needed. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 01:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep largely per Rhododendrites. Maybe these should be in project space, I'm indifferent. But Gibraltar is unquestionably a valid topic for one so long as we do this, and all else is a matter for further development and discussion. postdlf (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Because the potential scope of this page is obviously broader than just what is presently used as a reference in that Wikipedia article. postdlf (talk) 15:04, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep - as opposed to
Bibliography of South America. A single region/location, especially a small one, is a restrictive enough topic to have a sensible bibliography attached to it. Doing that for a continent is ludicrous, but here the scope is doable, and we are otherwise quite willing to entertain
really large bibliographies. --Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 18:53, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
That does not strike me as a sensible argument. Even if the two lists overlap or are largely identical at this point, the references at
Gibraltar are determined by whatever is used as sources for material in that article, and can't contain anything further. That's not a restriction we have in standalone bibliographies. --Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 16:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Soooooo how about a
WP:Further reading section? Keeping a duplicate copied-and-pasted page is not a sensible argument.
Reywas92Talk 19:21, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
The most obvious counter would be that "Further reading" sections are supposed to be a small adjunct to an article, and can/should never have the size of a dedicated bibliography page. It appears to me that your arguments are really aimed at the merit of standalone bibliographies as an article type, rather than this specific one. Maybe it's worth having a dedicated discussion on that? --Elmidae (
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keep: The article definitely needs to be improved and expanded, but it is a notable topic for a bibliography. //
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Subject does not meet
WP:GNG or
WP:NPROF. With the exception of obituaries, there is no significant coverage in reliable third-party sources.
Paisarepa 23:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Withdrawn by nominator. Consensus is obvious and there is no ongoing discussion that would be cut off.
Paisarepa 18:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep There may only be obits here, yet there are three independent obits. One states Cohen, who was a chemistry professor at Pitt for 60 years, died Dec. 13, at 88 years old. During his time at Pitt, he authored more than 200 research papers, and graduates of his lab can be found teaching at colleges and universities around the world. which signifies
notability. All a subject of an article has to be is notable. This gentleman vaults that threshold with room to spare. What the article needs is more substance and references for that substance. But AfD is not a mechanism of choice for article improvement
FiddleFaddle 23:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment Rather than just saying that the individual 'vaults the [notability] threshold', could you specifically explain how he meets
WP:GNG,
WP:NPROF, or any other SNG?
Paisarepa 23:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment I put a section in italics in my !vote. That section itself vaults the threshold. That will have to do for specifics.
FiddleFaddle 23:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. I am getting a GS
h-index of 30 plus, which passes
WP:Prof#C1. The BIO is terse and needs expansion.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 23:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC).reply
Comment One flaw of the h-index is that it does a poor job distinguishing between a relatively mediocre academic who published for a long period of time and a notable academic who published for a shorter duration. Cohen's h-index is inflated by the fact that he published for ~60 years, an unusually long career.
Paisarepa 00:13, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep A respectable and respected professor of chemistry. Not seeing the problem.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 00:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. I looked at the citation metrics of all 63 of his coauthors with 10 or more publications, and all 30 authors (10+ pubs) of the 10 most recent articles citing him. Total citations: average: 4721, median: 1107, Cohen: 5754. Total papers: avg: 124, med: 59, C: 185. h-index: avg: 26, med: 18, C: 42. Highest citation: avg: 359, med: 143, C: 259. Clearly well above even the average in his field in most of these parameters.
JoelleJay (
talk) 01:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment Almost all of the metrics you list are cumulative, which means that his being above average in the metrics you list is purely an artifact of the fact that he published for an unusually long period of time.
WP:PROF is clear that Simply having authored a large number of published academic works is not considered sufficient to satisfy Criterion 1; Cohen needs something more than a long career and the correspondingly large number of publications to meet
WP:PROF.
Paisarepa 02:03, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Please distinguish between publications and citations. What he has got is a decent number of citations on GS.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 03:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC).reply
Yes, Cohen has an above average number of total citations (22% higher by JoelleJay's measure) compared to the average academic in his field, but the cause of this is simply that he published for a significantly longer period than the average academic in his field. Consider, for example, another professor who is exactly alike to Cohen in that they match his average of ~3 papers published per year and ~31 citations per paper, but this hypothetical professor publishes for a more typical 40 years compared to Cohen's 60. This hypothetical professor would have published 120 papers and have 3720 citations, and by both metrics would be below average. They would also have a lower h-index due to their shorter publishing career even if their number of citations per paper follows the same distribution as that of Cohen. Cohen is above average with regards to these metrics only because the metrics are dependent on and highly correlated with career duration. Without applying some common-sense normalization to these metrics you're largely just measuring publishing volume and career longevity, neither of which are measures of notability.
Paisarepa 04:18, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Irrelevant.
WP:Prof measures cumulative achievement. Obviously a person will have more achievements at the end of their career than at the start.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 06:17, 4 March 2021 (UTC).reply
I agree, an impactful achievement could be a single discovery of somebody that never does anything again or somebody who consistently contributes to a field over time. Of course the
Great man theory of science opts for the former but in practice science is done more often in small but important steps. On top of that, I count 6 papers with citation count > 100, you usually dont achieve that by simply writing a lot of small irrelevant papers over a long period of time. --
hroest 14:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Clearly relevant, see multiple different obituaries. An academic who had graduate students become PIs at other Universities has clearly had a strong impact on the field. More information can be found for example in the award justification for the Pittsburg award:
https://www.chem.pitt.edu/news-story/professor-ted-cohen-2009-winner-acs-pittsburgh-section-award "His graduate significant contributions on the chemistry of pyridines and pyridine-N-oxides ... Pioneering work, on organocopper chemistry in 60's and 70's, organolithium and sulfur chemistry in the 80's and 90's, has been and still is the signature of Ted's voluminous work in the lab. His major contributions embrace mechanisms, synthetic methodology and natural product synthesis." The main issue with the article is that it needs improvement and addition of noteable facts. --
hroest
KeepJoelleJay's argument that he passes
WP:PROF#C1 sounds solid to me. (Whether the numbers are "cumulative" is beside the point; one way to be an influential scientist is to keep doing research that people keep caring about, and if it works, it works. Some of us have long careers and stay obscure through to the bitter end.) The article can be expanded with details from the obituaries, like how he waited tables at a summer resort while he was an undergraduate, and
Isaac Asimov encouraged him to go into chemistry.
XOR'easter (
talk) 06:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. I see several quite highly cited papers, in what I understand to be a medium citation field. I think it's a pass of
WP:NPROF C1. Sure, he's well-known partly because of the length of his career (but you could say the same for
Johnny Carson). Pitt held a small event for him on the occasion of his retirement, and there's a little more about him in coverage of the event in the chemistry department newsletter
[2]. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Russ Woodroofe (
talk •
contribs) 08:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep As per all above, have enough notability.
Hulatam (
talk) 15:38, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. I agree. --
Bduke (
talk) 21:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. There may be enough here for
WP:PROF#C1. The in-depth analysis above looks at average citations per paper, but I think that's a mistake; we want to determine whether he made at least a small number of significant contributions, and averaging over all papers doesn't pick out the significant ones. The sources claiming that his phenol syntheses were included in textbooks, and that he was known for his work on organosulfur and organometals, look more relevant for this than trying to understand how citation numbers in this field might have varied over time in order to calibrate the numbers. Regardless, I think we also have enough here for
WP:GNG. The sources affiliated with the University of Pittsburgh can be considered reliable but are non-independent; however, the Chemical & Engineering News and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette obituaries look independent enough (in particular, the one in the Post-Gazette appears to be an article written by them, rather than a paid death notice from a family member). —
David Eppstein (
talk) 01:59, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
(Pinging
Paisarepa as well) I agree it's more important to weigh the qualitative contributions to the field when that's an option/the info is available. I do want to note that the metrics I use don't include average citation per paper but rather total citations and highest citation. I looked at all of Dr. Cohen's coauthors in an effort to account for longevity and differences in citation standards over time, and then looked at the authors of the 10 most recent articles citing him for comparisons with contemporary researchers. Looking at just his coauthors: total cites: avg: 6010, med: 1130, C: 5754; total pubs: avg: 130, med: 41, C: 185; h-index: avg: 29, med: 19, C: 42; highest citation: avg: 447, med: 162, C: 259. Note that these numbers skew the averages (not so much the medians) upward a lot due to a handful of old heavy-hitters like
Houk of
Houk's model and
John Falck of aziridine and hydrastine
synthesis fame.
JoelleJay (
talk) 18:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Seems to meet
WP:NPROF and has some additional independant sourcing. -
Kj cheetham (
talk) 14:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment. The nominator may like to withdraw to avoid further waste of editors' time.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 21:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC),reply
Comment Thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm aware that there is a clear consensus but do not intend to withdraw the nomination until I'm confident there isn't a valuable discussion that may be short-circuted by doing so. As a reminder, there is no obligation to participate if you feel doing so is a waste of your time.
Paisarepa 22:52, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Note for the record, that the nominator first proposed
uncontroversial deletion without discussion. Now they want lots of discussion but it's not clear what their
point is. Meanwhile, I'm getting the article reviewed to appear on the main page as a
DYK.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 23:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
SNOW close... gone on long enough already.
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Currently on hiatus from AfD, but got a few of those 'deprod per WP:DEPROD' summaries in my watchlist. This is a synthesis of "minor mentions in notable works" and "non-notable works with more than passing references", and if it were trimmed down to major appearances in anything significant, it would be a permastub at best. The collection of examples here is not natural, sensical, or in line with
WP:LISTN/
WP:LISTPURP.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 23:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep or merge to parent topic, of which it is an obvious subtopic. postdlf (talk) 01:13, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge reliably sourced entries to
Gibraltar#Cultural references. The article cannot stand on its own but those entries that are sourced can be mentioned in the parent article.
WP:TRIVIA should be avoided.
IceWelder [
✉] 09:09, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Perfectly valid spinoff article. Won't all fit nicely in the main article, so valid content is spinout to a side article.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/almanac-gibraltar/Gibraltar looms large in our popular culture as well.DreamFocus 12:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
someone's pet
WP:OR project, was this commissioned by the Gibraltar Tourist Board or something? are we going to create one of these for every country next? It's absurd.
Acousmana (
talk) 22:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Blocked for UPE, sockpuppetry.
MER-C 18:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge as a stand-alone article this suffers from XKCD 446
[3] syndrome.
power~enwiki (
π,
ν) 18:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge per power~enwiki.
Archrogue (
talk) 18:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge selectivey as suggested.
Bearian (
talk) 15:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep or Merge: Article needs to be expanded beyond a list, but the subject is notable. I don't think it meets LISTN, so if someone wishes to merge sourced content into an appropriate target I have no objection. If someone ever decides to recreate this as an article instead of a list, the material can be recovered from the history. //
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The result was keep.
Daniel (
talk) 23:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Currently on hiatus from AfD, but got a few of those 'deprod per WP:DEPROD' summaries in my watchlist. List fails
WP:LISTPURP/
WP:LISTN; it's a collection of generic (
WP:MILL, if you want to make a terrible pun) windmills on a minor island. There is little informational (the limits of Wikipedia require this list be more sparse in both scope and description than it would be on a specialized website, and so make nobody happy) or navigational (none of the windmills have or could have articles) value.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 22:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep I really disagree with this nom. I think
WP:LISTN is met, since the windmills have been occasionally discussed as a set, and none of them may necessarily be notable enough for their own page (see
WP:CSC) and the information is, er, informational. Just because a specialist website might contain more information is not a reason for deletion.
SportingFlyerT·C 23:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Being on hiatus from AfD does not grant immunity to PRODs which are supposed to be uncontroversial. The page is reasonably well-sourced and the topic seems quite reasonable and respectable. As for
WP:MILL, it's an
essay and so has "no official status, and do not speak for the Wikipedia community". See also the
Mills of God.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 00:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I would note it is eminently counterproductive to your goals to inspire an inclusionist to come back to AfD with the goal of deleting articles.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 02:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Blocked for UPE.
MER-C 13:54, 9 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep - It's a sub-list of the
List of windmills, per
WP:LSC. Of the mills in the Bailiwick of Guernsey, Vale Mill and Sark Windmill may just be notable enough to sustain articles, but it would be hard work getting either above start class. The subject is notable enough to sustain a list, per
WP:LISTN.
Mjroots (
talk) 17:58, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep A well sourced and valuable resource.
No Swan So Fine (
talk) 15:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep: As a list this doesn't meet LISTN in its current state, but given the subject and the number of books written about windmills, and the sources in the article, I think this could be expanded beyond a simple list. Since these are historical structures, there are probably a number of notable articles which means this could be the SUMMARY article for the subject and the list would meet CLN. //
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This article is a complete train wreck. Bad grammar, feels like a kid wrote it. We should just delete instead of fixing it. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Namethatisnotinuse (
talk •
contribs) 22:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep AfD is not cleanup. The article is a stub so fixing its grammar mistakes is not a tedious task. A search of Google books reveals the product has been featured many times in
PC Magazine and
Macworld. There's a hit on JSTOR and there's
this review article as well. Meets
WP:GNG.
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Album by rapper who does not have an article. Neither the album nor the rapper have any visible coverage outside of self-uploaded streaming and social media sites. This album has no independent or reliable coverage as required at
WP:NALBUM. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS) 22:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - zero notability, a total and complete failure of
WP:NALBUM. In addition to the complete lack of coverage, he has 12 followers on SoundCloud and none of his songs even have 1000 plays on Spotify or more than 15 views on YouTube. This is probably even worthy of the rarely used
WP:A9.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - I've also noticed that the article says that this is the artist's 2nd debut studio album. What!?
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 23:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete – I wish the artist the best of luck with his career but this is a silly inclusion on Wikipedia.
Carbrera (
talk) 00:49, 4 March 2021 (UTC).reply
Speedy Delete A9, per Spiderone and nom.
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Was previously deleted via PROD with the rationale Fails to meet generally accepted notability criteria for clubs, i.e. playing at Step 6 or above, or having played in the FA Cup/Vase. This concern remains valid.
I also think that this fails
WP:GNG. In recent times, it gets name checks in local papers, for example
in this article. Searching through
British newspaper archives gives nothing significant unless you count the odd mention in results listings in the Chelmsford Chronicle as such. A book called
Kelvedon Hatch, 1840 – 1920: A Guided Tour seems to make a reference to such a club; "The first mention of an official Kelvedon Hatch football team is from 1918, although it is believed there was a team before then." That's about all I could really find.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Being from Essex, anything below Essex Senior League is not notable. Village team.
Davidstewartharvey (
talk) 21:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability.
GiantSnowman 21:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - well below the standard we should cover. Local interest only.
Nigej (
talk) 22:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Do not Delete I must register my huge disappointment in this being voted for deletion. This club is directly referenced on the
Essex Olympian Football League page, and as you can see, various other clubs have their own pages on there (including ones in lower divisions of the league). I have created this page because it is of interest to the people of
Essex, and the people of
Kelvedon Hatch. The club has achieved considerable success over the years, winning a variety of tournaments and leagues and I for one believe that it deserves its own page. To even fight for my page that is not going against or harming anyone is absurd, and I have put so much effort into this page so its quite down putting to see you all want to take it down.
Luke780 (
talk) 22:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Unfortunately, this article fails
WP:GNG. @
Luke780:, we require reliable secondary sources to write encyclopaedia articles, this article is sourced only to the club's website and the league website, which don't count towards notability since they're effectively self-published. If you can find newspaper articles which cover the club significantly (we haven't found any yet), you can use those to show the club's notable enough for a Wikipedia article.
SportingFlyerT·C 22:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete. Doesn't meet general notability guidelines.
Rondolinda (
talk) 23:32, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Have found an article, if no good then Delete The only newspaper article I could find of any significance was
this one, featured in the
Romford Recorder. If it is indeed no good then it pains me to say but I can see that you are all correct and the page should indeed be marked for deletion. Sorry to be a nuisance everyone, it was a simple mistake on my part if so. I hope you all have a great day
Luke780 (
talk) 01:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
This is better coverage than anything that I managed to find but it still falls into
WP:ROUTINE coverage, in my view. It's a local paper doing a build-up piece for the local cup with a comment from Hatch's manager. On its own, it doesn't do enough to establish the importance or significance of this club. In other words, it couldn't really be used to flesh out an encyclopaedia article in any significant way.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 07:57, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete as below the generally agreed threshold for club notability.
Number57 12:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - As noted by others, the club does not seem to have the notability/level of coverage that would be required for it to have its own article. I would note that the
Kelvedon Hatch article does not currently mention the club, so perhaps a brief mention of it there instead would be in order.
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The result was speedy keep. Self-withdrawing, as all the promotional puffery has been removed, and the article is notable by consensus below.
(non-admin closure)Steve M (
talk) 21:09, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Does not appear to be notable. Only links are to the official site and LinkedIn-like profiles, which are not notable enough. Next, a Google search did not give me any good, reliable sources. Meanwhile, the article is very promotional in it's current state and may benefit from
WP:TNT regardless if the subject is barely notable.
Steve M (
talk) 21:15, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Weak keep The article has been the subject of some promotional editing lately, but the
earlier version (as of 20 March 2020) is better, with links to sites verifying her status as a visiting Fellow at
Bournemouth University and a recipient of the British Female Inventor and Innovative Network (BFIIN) Female Inventor of the Year 2000. (This is a weak keep, because I'm not aware of the significance of the BFIIN award, or the "visiting Fellow" status. I've reverted to that earlier version of the page (keeping the AFD notice intact, of course.)
WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Current sources passes
WP:GNG.
Cuoxo (
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:27, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
This is not a notable concept; it's barely even a verifiable concept. This is a peripheral, almost passing idea from one psychoanalytic book from 1945, and its existence elsewhere is passing mentions in some following literature (direct quote: "[the term] Polycrates complex hardly deserves a column") and people directly ripping Wikipedia articles (e.g. mirrors and those interminable pronunciation videos). Prodded and deprodded, with little in the way of rationale for the latter.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 00:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep/merge It has an entry by this title in the Encyclopedia of Psychoanalysis (1968). The worst case would be merger to some similar concept such as
Jonah complex.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 10:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The most passing familiarity with psychology belies that those aren't coherent concepts to merge.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 11:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete One guy's coinage, mentioned passingly in the decades since and, as the nominator noted, sometimes with derision then. (The "hardly deserves a column" dig is actually from a review of the Encyclopedia of Psychoanalysis mentioned in the previous !vote
[4].) The claim about its use in criminology has been
unsourced since the article was created in 2005.)
XOR'easter (
talk) 20:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep or Merge somewhere. This is a definition of a term that has been used. We have got one reference (from 1945). It may belong to an aspect of psychology that is no longer in vogue, which is probably why there is nothing more recent.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)reply
It's a definition, and that's all it is, per
WP:NOTDICT. We can verify that it was an idea someone had once; there's no evidence anyone much cared. There are plenty of notable concepts from early psychology, including routes people don't really go down anymore, but this isn't one of them.
Vaticidalprophet (
talk) 18:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)reply
That sounds about right. The number of terms coined by academics every year is large, while the fraction of them that gain any nontrivial traction is small.
XOR'easter (
talk) 15:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: A valid target for a merger has not really emerged.
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Delete per nom and XOR'easter. Not a notable concept.
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talk) 17:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)reply
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Delete: Agree with XOR'easter, non-notable concept, no sources showing notability for GNG. Nothing shows up in a journal search. Merging would require properly sourced content, and the source does not support the text. I couldn't find any appropriate redirect target, but if someone finds one and it make sense the closer should consider it. But unsourced content should not be merged into other articles. //
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Delete per
WP:OR. It's sourced to a single primary source, and thus is original research.
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The result was delete. Happy to userfy in case anyone wants to try to incorporate anything elsewhere, but there's a consensus that the film does not meet our notability guideline. No prejudice against a redirect if warranted. GoPhightins! 23:51, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Fails
WP:NFILM and
WP:GNG. Nothing notable on a
WP:BEFORE. PROD was removed because there is a mentioning of the movie in the director's obituary. I am not sure how that is related to the movie itself.
Kolma8 (
talk) 12:13, 23 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails
WP:NFILM. A mere mention in an obituary is not enough to establish notability.
Donaldd23 (
talk) 12:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Weak keep: Agree with the opinion that there is not enough sources to establish notability. But since this is a movie, its practically not possible for some movies to find sources. So sources like this can be considered to establish notability
[5]. Also additional inclusionary criteria also says that The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career. This was one of the notable movies of the director mentioned in the source. Regards
Kichu🐘 Discuss 14:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Kashmorwiki, the sheer fact that there is no available sources supports (or should support) this deletion nomination. It is arrant balderdash to keep an article which fails all the criteria of
WP:NFILM and
WP:GNG and for which we all agree that there is no sources to support notability. Even many movies from the 1920s, 1950s (to include movies from India) have sources to support their notability and impact on the movie history.
Kolma8 (
talk) 20:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Kolma8, please note my comment.This is the reason why I said weak keep. I know there are not enough sources. Regards
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Delete: Three of the four sources in the article are database listings with no SIGCOV and the obit is a mention. Notability is not inherited from participants in the film. I couldn't find much of anything other than promos and listings and there are not even many promos. No objection to a redirect to
Sasi Shanker, but I do not see sourced content for a merge. //
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
talk) 23:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I'm probably missing something here but I'm struggling to see the significance of this list. Is there something special or exclusive about overseas teams competing in the round of 64 in this competition since 2015? I can't see how
WP:LISTN or
WP:GNG are met.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Spiderone Keep, but i admit that the page needs of improvements. Can we move the page in the draftspace?
Dr Salvus (
talk) 20:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
We can do if there is consensus for that in this discussion. Generally, though, there would need to be potential for the topic to be encyclopaedic and notable. Are there multiple reliable sources reporting about overseas teams in the round of 64 since 2015?
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Overseas France is France. Unclear why these teams are singled out any differently from teams from Paris or teams from Corsica since there are no sources specifically about the performance of Overseas teams. Respective articles like
2018–19 French Cup show the regions all the teams are from and their performances.
Reywas92Talk 21:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Reywas92: Overseas, as a direct translation of the French Outre-mer does have a specific meaning in France, being shorthand for the collectivity of overseas departments and territories (DOMTOM or départements d'outre-mer et territoires d'outre-mer). In football and Coupe de France terms, I've always referred to these as Overseas departments and territories, because to the casual reader overseas can be confusing - and even could be taken out of context to include Corsica which isn't a contiguous part of mainland france, but is counted as such in organisational terms. The situation on wiki is confused even more by our article on French overseas departments and territories residing since 2017 at
Overseas France. Cheers,
Gricehead (
talk) 08:50, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - list serves no purpose.
GiantSnowman 21:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
HawkAussie There are differences. This article describes the journey of the overseas teams even in the preliminary rounds. This page has different purposes than the other one you mentioned.
Dr Salvus (
talk) 06:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - list is just abstraction of data from the existing preliminary round articles, and seems to have an arbitrary cutoff of when the detailed coverage of preliminary rounds started on-wiki. Progress of the of overseas teams through their own self-contained competition could be linked from within the other article
Overseas teams in the main competition of the Coupe de France, to render this list completely unnecessary, if that gap explicitly needs to be covered.
Gricehead (
talk) 08:50, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete It's a long title header, I can understand and see what the creator is trying to do, but I don't see this needed really. There are other ways the reader can learn this.
Govvy (
talk) 09:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete As I mentioned at the
WT:FOOTY discussion, don't see a need for this separate article for performances from 2015 onwards.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 12:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete serves no purpose --
Devokewater 15:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:OR: sourcing a page to a single source is not an article, it's original research bordering on a copyright violation. We have never published original research.
Bearian (
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Delete I fail to see how it could be both original research and a copyright violation. Nonetheless, it should be deleted as an arbitrary list.
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A live album by the band Mortician. While they are awesome, I think this album of theirs is not notable. The article was created by a now blocked user back in 2015. Tagged for notability since that same year. Sourced solely to a blank Allmusic page (track listing + user reviews). Couldn't find any decent sources, only the usual junk, like youtube, retail sites, databases, blogs, download links and lyrics sites. No evidence of notability other than the fact that the band is notable.
GhostDestroyer100 (
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Delete per
WP:OR. For the third time today, this is original research of it's sourced to a single website.
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Keep - 3 reliable sources provided above seem good enough for me
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Recognized breed, sources are readily available (but obviously should have been added to the article ab initio...). Added two good ones to the article that seem to cover most of the material. Inline refs would be desirable though. --Elmidae (
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contribs) 21:54, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep as per
WP:HEY, now it meets notability criteria.
Onel5969TT me 15:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. I've added some sources and a little sourced content to the page (a good deal of it is duplicated, so it isn't as much as it might seem, and that's not much). This is recognised and reported to
DAD-IS as a breed, so I suppose we have to accept that it is one; on the other hand, it's a tiny group of about twenty donkeys with nothing much to distinguish them from any other donkeys, and of minimal notability or encyclopaedic interest. I usually argue that any breed with official national recognition deserves an independent article, so I suppose that this does too.
Justlettersandnumbers (
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@
Justlettersandnumbers: good call on the "Canadian Journal of Applied Sciences" - looks like it's an
IDOSI journal
[6], with the attendant lack of strict peer review and dodgy credentials; didn't notice when I added that. Still, recognized breed and such. --Elmidae (
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Speedy Keep Yes the creator had asked for a little time as they were not able to move the title of the article (I had earlier CSD'd this - see my talk page) the article has been improved and passes NAUTHOR in my opinion
JW 1961Talk 21:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep - article has been vastly improved and notability is clearly demonstrated
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Article is unreferenced and hasn't been meaningfully updated in years. It's highly unusual to have a separate page for a college yearbook (
Category:Yearbooks has 44 entries, but at most 10 of them are for college yearbooks, and most of those are likely non-notable). A
WP:BEFORE search found nothing useful (even a
Newspapers.com search found only results for an unrelated high school yearbook). {{u|Sdkb}}talk 19:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete year books are almost never indepdently notable.
John Pack Lambert (
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Redirect to
Rider University: Article is unsourced OR, I couldn't find any sources for the content, nothing meets SIGCOV with direct and indepth coverage to meet GNG or NBOOK. If someone finds sources for an article, this information could be recovered from the redirect. //
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The result was delete. Sandstein 23:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: Sources in the article are a youtube video of the film, a link about online poker, and a 404 page. So the article is unsourced OR. I couldn't find anything with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth, I don't think there is a good redirect target, but if someone feels strongly about a redirect, no objection, but there is no content for a merge and OR should not be merged. //
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Both albums fail
WP:NMUSIC (and have been tagged as such since 2016). There is no significant coverage to be found other than an
AllMusic review of Red (Yellow has a rating but no review), which is not sufficient. There are no charts, certification, rewards or anything else to suggest notability. I suggest to redirect to
Universal Indicator (collective)#Discography (this nomination is the result of a contested redirection).
Lennart97 (
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Redirect to
Universal Indicator (collective)#Discography: It looks like there are no sources to make this notable. The lead is unreferenced (and is not a summary of the content below). Also, there are probably not enough material to warrant a standalone article. ~
Ase1estecharge-paritytime 09:07, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Cambial Yellowing: which content do you propose to merge, specifically? Neither article has any sourced or substantial content other than the track listing.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 23:16, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I can't find any evidence that this magazine is or was ever notable, perhaps its an issue with the common name but I can't find any sources beyond what I removed because they were all
WP:COPYVIOELs of images of the magazine, so nothing of value was lost even by removing them...
CUPIDICAE💕 19:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: I was a teenager in the UK in the 1980s, and I've never even heard of this magazine. It appears to have been a monthly publication, with each issue focusing solely on one artist and their associated acts, and consisting mostly of a giant fold-out poster, with bits of trivia and gossip about the artist. Definitely aimed more at "fan club" level rather than any serious music publication like NME, Melody Maker, Sounds or Record Mirror. Edit: I've just seen the edit history of this article, and I'm 99% certain I know now who the temporarily-blocked article creator is.
Richard3120 (
talk) 20:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Richard3120 as in a sock or IRL? Also I did a lot of searching for this magazine and the only thing I can find is the ISSN and ebay...doesn't look like it was ever much of anything.
CUPIDICAE💕 20:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Almost certainly yet another sock of one of Wikipedia's most prolific sockers. Going to check their edit history for comparisons.
Richard3120 (
talk) 20:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Interesting, I assumed based on their rapid fire reverting of the AFD template they had to be new! Maybe I'm giving sock masters too much credit.
CUPIDICAE💕 20:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I'm now 99.9% certain, and the article's other editor, Travishill4634, will be the same person as well. Going to open up an SPI.
Richard3120 (
talk) 20:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete and Salt sock editor trying to create article about a non notable magazine that I'm sure if was allowed, he would then say that's proof to continue his disruptive editing about some boy band. NZFC(talk)(cont) 06:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Update: the two editors who created content for this page are confirmed as socks of each other, at least.
Richard3120 (
talk) 13:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:V and
WP:OR. Unreferenced articles are original research, no matter how much this meant to you as a teenager.
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The result was delete based on consensus around the GNG threshold, since specific notability guidance are presumptions subordinate to the general guideline. GoPhightins! 23:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
PROD was added last year due to
WP:NFOOTBALL failure and was removed with According to its article, this is the top-level national league. By insisting that it is not "professional", you are making the sexist argument that women can never be notable in this sport.
Delete - As per above fails GNG and NFOOTBALL.
Cuoxo (
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Blocked for UPE, sockpuppetry.
MER-C 18:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - Fails GNG and NFOOTBALL.
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Feel like this needs more than PROD as it's a longstanding (auto)biography.
The sole claim to notability (being
on the cover of SI) is really that a
photo of him with a teammate is used to accompany an interview with the teammate. There's no information on Goldman there or in any other sourcing I can find with which to build an article.
StarM 18:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete a non-notable college basketball player.
John Pack Lambert (
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Delete concur with nom.
MB 21:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete I believe Goldman fails WP:GNG. Additionally, if this page were to stay up, it would need to be developed significantly. This is certainly a stub.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 23:15, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:OR. Citing it to a fan page is original research, not a Wikipedia article.
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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL.
GiantSnowman 19:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete coverage that I found was primarily routine coverage from Bochum that did not address the individual in-depth. No
significant coverage found and does not appear to pass
WP:GNG.
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Non-notable whisky brand. I found
one book mention for it, but it doesn't look very solid to establish notability. What do whisky conneseurs think?
Bbarmadillo (
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The most notable thing about this brand is that it's owned by Actor Dan Aykroyd. While it might not be note-able yet, it's on it way to being so quickly.
Dustintitus (
talk) 19:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Still an unknown quantity in the UK still. Not tried it, but from what I have heard its very sweet. Only seen a couple of reviews on smaller blog sites.
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Comment This article is
WP:TOOSOON, it does need tidying up --
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The result was delete. None of the "keep" opinions (to the extent they are even intelligible) indicate that there are reliable sources for this topic (instead they indicate the opposite, as Elmidae points out). Sandstein 23:12, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
WP:BEFORE brings up nothing that doesn't directly link back to the Tumblr blog "The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows", the most "notable" of which being
a passing reference to the post in the book Feminism and Intersectionality in Academia – another one being a horoscope in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. At its core, this subject has no original, reliable literature upon which to base an encyclopedic entry. At best, this subject in its current state of notability could be reinstated on Wiktionary with attestation such as the aforementioned book chapter mention, but it's so flimsily and nebulously defined by essentially one anonymous person as to be wholly unsuitable for a Wikipedia article. The article's current state – completely uncited, full of unverifiable speculation about when kenopsia may allegedly manifest – reflects this. This was originally PRODed by
Joseywales1961 and was endorsed by me soon after, but it was removed by
Andrew Davidson without a mention in the edit summary, and they haven't gotten back in touch with me. TheTechnician27(Talk page) 17:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment Hey,
Andrew. Topicality doesn't define whether or not a subject merits its own Wikipedia article;
notability guidelines do. A (very) partial merge actually seems like a fine idea to me and like something I would Support, as I wasn't aware TDoS had a Wikipedia page. As I said, I've found citations linking back to this definition, so it would be a pretty trivial matter to include a mention of it under the 'Notable words' section. As far as what can be merged over? I would say "not much". The last two paragraphs are basically unsalvageable OR. Most of the first paragraph is fine, as is the concept's relationship to COVID-19 (
with appropriate sourcing). The best rationale for a merge, in my opinion, is just the redirect that would be created to
The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows. TheTechnician27(Talk page) 20:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete in its current form the article is uncited and OR, a similar BEFORE to the noms was carried out by myself before I PROD'ed this with results as are so well explained by TheTecnician27 above in the nomination for AfD.
JW 1961Talk 18:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Zero treatment in the scientific literature, and outside that it's dictdefs. Without a minimum of independent coverage, there's also no call for merging anything to the article on the dictionary - sensibly that article is not a listing of all the contents and restricts itself to actually notable terms ("Sonder"). --Elmidae (
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Keep/Merge Hello, i am the creator of the article, i had not heard of the concept of Kenopsia until i saw a youtube video which mentioned it and i decided to research, just like you, i couldn't find any reputable sources other then the tumblr blug, after using some of googles tools to try to track down the first mention (as to create a "History" section), but while the tumblr blog wasn't scientific in any way i decided to cite it as it seemed to be the earliest mention of "Kenopsia" and while i do somewhat believe that i should not have written the article due to lack of sources, i didn't realize that there was an article for TDoS already, so i would be fine if it was merged, but my article isn't the first, there's other articles that don't have much of a lead either and they too describe emotions, i couldn't find much about noctcaelador or hireath on google or any other search engines, of course those articles do have better leads then just one tumblr blog, hireath i would like to think is part of welsh culture and the concpet of noctcaelador was created by a William E. Kelly, a person who is likely more known then the tumblr blog i cited for my article, and one last thing before i sign off, i would like to believe that wikipedia is one of the most trusted websites in the world, and we all have our duty to make sure that articles stay true and original, many people use wikipedia and trust it, i've used it for many years, so has everyone i have known, if i wanted to know about something the first place i usually go to is wikipedia, and when an article doesn't exist i use google, but when that just brings up a tumblr blog, i know that i'd want to create an article for it on this safe, trustful website that almost everyone knows about, and so future people won't have to click on a random tumblr link to know more, which is still a risk in 2021, and that's why i not only joined wikipedia but also why i created the article, to share my knowledge with the world, to contribute, to make a little known concept that only a few may have known about, avalible to the entire world population of english speakers and readers, thank you for reading.
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Let's cut to the chase: i couldn't find any reputable sources other then the tumblr blug - there's your problem. If there are no reliable sources, we cannot have an article. --Elmidae (
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contribs) 22:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows has
WP:MADEUP a lot of neologisms, but they need not be made into redirects. Not a real thing or substantively and reliably covered as such whatsoever.
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I did a quick google search and see the platforms he takes part in, but I don't see the in-depth coverage to pass
WP:GNG in my opinion.
Govvy (
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Delete - For what it's worth, he had a couple of mentions (
[8][9]) in the Guinness Book blog. Apparently for inventing new ways to play Minecraft competitively. As far as I can tell that fizzled, though.
ApLundell (
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Delete - The article fails
WP:GNG as there aren’t much articles made about this person. The only notable articles that I found were two articles from the Guinness World Records. (
Jullian Neon) 20:51, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per lack of
WP:RS, and also
WP:OUTCOMES. Only has poor sources. We have deleted dozens of pages about YouTubers, even those with millions of followers, if they can't be sourced properly.
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This is a low-quality article that is, presently, a brief list of vaguely-cited unencyclopedic views about French people with citations that rarely reach into actual discussions of stereotypes themselves and focus more on whether this purported stereotype is valid. I am unconvinced that this is notable, valuable, or encyclopedic. "Stereotypes of..." pages are something of a "bad edit magnet" in general, and I don't think this page has enough good edits to suggest that there is enough content to justify the existence of this page. It's had a "please improve" tag since last November, with no substantial improvements, and the content (and content quality) of the article appear similar throughout the article's life.
Kistaro Windrider (
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I think my argument was more along the lines of the two articles being duplicative and not seeing any reason not to merge. Your argument seems to be
WP:ILIKEIT. GNG is really not a relevant rebuttal to this nomination.
‡ Єl Cid of Valenciatalk 12:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I was addressing the nomination, specifically the statement "I am unconvinced that this is notable, valuable, or encyclopaedic", not your comment. I was making the point (albeit briefly) that the subject, Stereotypes of French people has significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources, as cited in the article and therefore should not be deleted. Since you have raised your point with me, it should not be re-directed or merged for two reasons 1) the topic is independently notable (see
here,
here, and
here) 2) French stereotypes do not have to have their origins in anti-French sentiment, such as the stereotypes related to romance and sexuality (see
here).
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Keep The article is very poorly written as others have pointed out, but it's definitely fixable. As for notability, the topic is definitely notable, a google search brings up tons of results. I don't think it should be merged to the Anti-French sentiment article as it has received plenty of coverage on its own, and many stereotypes are of a comedic tone and not actually anti-French in nature.
Pladica (
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Merge and redirect. Nominator. I'm ambivalent on what it should be redirected to, but I'm not persuaded this article is valuable. I could easily just not be imaginative enough to see what it could be if it was written well, though; I'd like to hear what folks who think "needs fixing, but keep" is the correct strategy think, vaguely, the article should look like after it's fixed. What presents the topic in a valuable way that isn't the current "list of stuff that just kind of exists"? It'd be a lot more interesting if this had history and cultural context, and I can see the value in a "Stereotypes of..." article in that context. But I don't see any reason to believe that this will ever become that article. I feel bad discussing the article I'd like to see and then not volunteering to write it, but I don't think of myself as good at, well, writing articles.
Kistaro Windrider (
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Keep by gar. It is not the same as anti-French sentiment. Zut alors! Some stereotypes are quite flattering, e.g. great lovers, connoisseurs, suave, etc., n'est pas? Afd is not for cleanup.
Clarityfiend (
talk) 05:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep per our policy
WP:ATD, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." There are numerous more sources available for this such as Of Stereotypes and of the French.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 21:39, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. A quick look at GScholar suggest the concept is discussed in scholarly works. There is likely more in French language. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 03:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
If the current title is retained, then it should Redirect to
Anti-French sentiment. There is a disconnect between the title, which is neutral, and current content, which is negative. Other stereotypes off the top of my head are: one of the world's top cuisines, high fashion, luxury branding, classic cinema and New Wave, film stars, world standard for wines, fashionably-dressed women, a vibrant night life, famous artists and museums, the standard for flirtation and seduction, public veneration and interest in intellectual currents, the birth of second-wave feminism and a vibrant feminist scene, a welcoming environment for American blacks discriminated against at home, the French Riviera, world-level engineering in high speed trains, fighter jets, jumbo aircraft, and aerospace; and so on. If the article is kept, either the title or the content has to change, because per
WP:AT, "The title indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles," and currently the article fails that policy.
Mathglot (
talk) 06:51, 7 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep: I think the topic is notable without even looking and looking at sources in the article show this. I don't think this article should be merged or redirected to
Anti-French sentiment, sentiment and stereotypes are two different things (eg: there are "positive" sterotypes such as in the High Fashion and romance sections, but anti-sentiment would obviously always be negative). The article defintely needs to be expanded //
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The result was delete. Sandstein 23:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NOTDIR. No significant reliable sources on page. On inspection linked sources are either dead or
WP:UGC. NY Times cite on page does not mention the model of bus it is used against.
Nightfury 14:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep, I don't see a substantial question as to whether this is verifiable regardless of the current state of links on the page. The history of the MTA's infrastructure, as with any comparably large and notable transit agency, is a relevant part of our coverage. postdlf (talk) 17:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete and keep general information in the active fleet page.
Mtattrain (
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Delete Sourced to personal websites, fails
WP:GNG.----
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The result was keep. It turns out that the deletion request by the now-blocked IP was some kind of trolling attempt. Sandstein 19:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Procedural, completing the AFD nom for
85.84.33.17, who added the template but did not finish the nomination. ---
Possibly (
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Comment - The deletion request by IP
85.84.33.17 is retaliatory in nature.
Netherzone (
talk) 16:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes it is pretty pointless as far as I can see (meets
WP:ARTIST 4.d) but we have in the past entertained badly formed AFD requests by disruptive editors. The alternative was to delete the malformed AfD request, which I did, but then reconsidered.---
Possibly (
talk) 22:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep - The subject of the article meets notability criteria for
WP:ARTIST as her work has been collected by several museums. All of these collections are verifiable.
Netherzone (
talk) 23:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Also, a permanent block or ban for the nominating IP and their socks please.
Vexations (
talk) 22:50, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the notoriety of the subject. Do not base the entire article on original primary sources directly involved. User
Vexations You must allow your opinion and comment on the subject in question, this is not a fascism or Nazi dictatorship asking for an indiscriminate blockade without arguments.--
85.84.33.17 (
talk) 12:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - There is something called a presumption of innocence and that investigation has no course whatsoever, it is just a retaliation for the editor's ego. It is noted that you are an intimate "friend" of
Possibly, but here what is nominated is the Article for deletion by Alice Sakitnak Akammak that lacks independent sources. That said, user
Netherzone speaks of retaliation. It is necessary to remember that the real retaliation is generated by your group of friends:
Netherzone,
Possibly,
Vexations, and
SlimVirgin. A group that always goes together and supports and defends each other. The bad thing is that they also get together for retaliation and conspire against who dares to criticize them, becoming the rustler group, an organized group (mafia) of wikipedia. That said, you can block me. I'd rather die standing than live kneeling. Your group is also being investigated for a long time. Greetings. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
85.84.33.17 (
talk) 13:08, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - I will NOT defend myself against that absurd accusation because I almost always forget to log in, so the different IPs are generated and when I remember to log in I forget the password. That is not a crime. Greetings and more serious is yours. You are always the same.--
85.84.33.17 (
talk) 13:18, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep NARTIST 4(d), and OMG what a bunch of trollery from that IP. Sorry about that.
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Delete does not meet the notabilty guidelines for politicians.
John Pack Lambert (
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Delete. People do not get an automatic free pass over
WP:NPOL just for holding unelected roles as regional political organizers, but this is not referenced to anything like enough
reliable source coverage about her to get her over
WP:GNG for it.
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Delete: Reliable sources are weak and non notable politician.
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Unable to find RS to establish notability. Plus, the books mentioned don't seem to turn up on a DDG search. If bio does not satisfy
WP:NACADEMIC then delete
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Complete
WP:CRUFT with no sourcing. I'd be mildly forgiving if it were a list of characters across the entire Khan Kluay franchise, but it seems to only cover the first film. (The film page is iffy quality itself, but has a greater claim to notability.) Kncny11(shoot) 23:22, 24 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Khan Kluay#Characters where the primary characters of the film are already listed. This list is completely unsourced and as this just covers a single movie, it is not a reasonable
WP:SPLIT from the film's main article.
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The result was keep.
Daniel (
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I'm not crazy, the #1 Bar would be notable, but
looking at the archive, it doesn't appear that's what Esquire actually said. It seems to be UCG based on the slider. Either way, not a clear pass for notability. It got some buzz around an Ozzy Osbourne cease & desist and is used as a location in the Wire, but not sure that all adds up, so thought it worth discussion.
StarM 02:37, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment: A newspapers.com search shows 1,795 post-1996 hits for "The Brewer's Art", including several half-page spreads in the Baltimore Sun (e.g.,
1;
2;
3). And according to
this article, "Draft Magazine also chose the Brewer's Art ... among its 100 best beer bars of 2003. ... Similarly, Esquire chose Brewer's Art as one of its best bars in the U.S." The "#1 Bar" moniker appears to be a bit misleading (
details—basically, it claimed the top spot for a short while based on user votes using that slider), although it has some significance, and Esquire also "listed the Brewer’s Art as one of the best bars in America in June 2007." --
Usernameunique (
talk) 07:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks
usernameunique. Trying to see if I can access the Baltimore Sun pieces.
StarM 15:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Star Mississippi, here you go:
1;
2;
3;
4. Not the easiest to read, unfortunately—newspapers.com seems to have a maximum width for clippings—but hopefully they help. --
Usernameunique (
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
Brewer's Art was another brewpub that opened within the city limits of Baltimore, in the resonant Mount Vernon area. The genesis of Brewer's Art came about like many great ideas—from a few friends sitting in a bar. One of these was historian Volker Stewart. [12 more sentences about the founding of Brewer's Art]
In September of 1996 Brewer's Art opened its doors to the cost of $525,000. The first batch of beer was brewed in December of that year. The first year went well, and brewery production ran at around 500 barrels per year. The first year went well, and brewery production ran at around 500 barrels year. There was a learning curve moving from home brewing to industrial production that was quickly sorted out. During the first year (1997) Stewart lost two partners. The first chose to leave the business and the other moved to France (and became a silent partner). Despite these changes, Stewart weathered the storm and did so successfully. Helping him keep the brewery on track was his brewmaster Steve Frazier, a physicist by training, a brewmaster at heart. [Eight more sentences about Brewer's Art and Frazier's work at Brewer's Art]
The book notes on
page 304 that the Brewer's Art "was fighting an infringement claim in 2014 for their Ozzy beer label with the Osbourne family" and spends a paragraph discussing the infringement claim.
The article notes, "The Brewer's Art is known nationally as a top bar destination, scoring a nod from Esquire magazine in 2009 as the No. 1 bar in America."
This is a restaurant review. The article notes, "Located in the heart of Baltimore, The Brewer's Art has rightfully earned a reputation as a Mecca of artfully crafted beer laid against the backdrop of a fine dining experience." The article further notes about The Brewer's Art, "a visually captivating blend of stark white and black paint, contemporary art and the modern American brewing tradition nestled with surprising comfort in a renovated brownstone born of Victorian restrain".
The article notes, "Sure, Brewer’s Art’s Green Peppercorn Tripel and its Ozzy golden ale can impress you with their corked 750-milliliter bottles, but when you're enjoying Mellow Mushroom’s roof deck on a warm September afternoon, iconoclasm tastes best."
The article notes about The Brewer's Art, "The two-storied Mount Vernon beer haven has been popular since it opened in 1996, and when talking with owner Volker Stewart, that success seems almost effortless: no gimmicks, no marketing strategy, just solid products."
The article notes, "When the Brewer's Art opened in 1996, servers spent a lot of time educating guests on the farm-to-table food and experimental beer the restaurant was making."
The article notes, "On the way, I stop at the Brewer’s Art, a local landmark of a bar in a beautifully preserved row house in the historic Mount Vernon neighborhood." The article later notes, "Wide selection of ales and an ambitious gastropub menu."
The article notes, "calling the Brewer’s Art (1106 North Charles Street; 410-547-6925; www.thebrewersart.com) a bar is like calling crabs just another shellfish. Housed in a classic town house, the pub takes its beers very seriously, pouring everything from Trappist ales from Belgium to local microbrews like Clipper City Pale Ale."
The article notes, "The Brewer’s Art is a beloved Baltimore brewpub known for its beers and its basement lounge, where patrons can gather around the bar or find a nook for quiet conversation. The restaurant serves modern fare with a Baltimore twist—think squash pierogies with oxtail ragout."
The article notes, "enter the Brewer's Art through the basement door. You'll be in the best bar I've found in ages. Dark and warm, with low brick ceilings, arched doorways into hidden nooks, and lots of great beers on tap, the Art's underground spot welcomes all types without judgment, late into the night."
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Keep - Article is currently anemic, but notable per Cunard's above elaboration of substantive secondary sources.
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None of the sources cited mention anything even closely resembling the article title (closest was probably "solo freestyle" in the "Brief History of Clog Dancing" link). A web search for several subsequences of the current title returned no results, "traditional informal folk" has apparently one real result on Google Scholar, but only relating to Tibetan culture. This seems to be original research or even a hoax, assuming the current title is correct.
𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (
𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. there's a long discussion on the article talk page about why this is notable, with which I agree, and to which I refer; but there does seem to be agreement thee that a differently worded title might be needed. Judging for deletion on the basis of a web search of a title is hazardous--it's a useful step to see quickly if are references, which might make it unnecessary to do a full properly conceived search for the subject no matter how expressed; however, searching for general subjects or ones which might be worded in many ways is difficult. DGG (
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Keep The topic is definitely notable, although this article is pretty bad, and the title is also unwieldly. Perhaps it would be better off as a list article linking to the types of dancing with a quick description of each?
ScottishFinnishRadish (
talk) 15:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete and add to
WP:DAWFT due to the unwieldly title and lack of sources. Even just skimming through lightly, I can see not nearly enough citations are there. Even though I know this is a bad idea to mention in an AfD, I would suggest
WP:TNT.
4D4850 (
talk) 17:54, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete. The article cites no reliable sources that verify the substance of its contents, making this fail
WP:V and probably
WP:NOR, never mind
WP:N. If something like this really existed with this silly name, finding sources for it should be trivial. If this isn't a hoax or made up one day, it's hard to distinguish from that. Sandstein 19:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: Article is OR essay, I seriously doubt there is a notable article here, but if there is this needs TNT for it to emerge. //
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete not even close to meeting the inclusion criteria for articles on actresses.
John Pack Lambert (
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Comment I was hoping she's be in more than one episode of the Big Bang, but it would seem not. All she seems to have done are bit parts.
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Keep I was able to find and add sources (in addition to what was already in the article about her starring role in a film) that indicate she has starred in two films and had what appears to be a substantial role in another film, in addition to her notable television appearance. Per
WP:NACTOR, she appears to have had "significant roles" in multiple productions.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:45, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
this is nothing more than an overblown PR piece. I had assumed that someone appointed to the UNGA would be notable, but that doesn't appear to be the case. The other 3 people who were appointed are notable, however, not for being appointed and have held other positions (elected or otherwise) that meet
WP:NPOL. The coverage here is minimal and the original claim that he was a "strong contender" for the US Attorney position are contradicted by two of the sources here, one which says he considered running vs. being considered by Trump. In any case, it never went anywhere and beyond a few GOP talking heads saying "he's great!" there isn't any coverage of it.
None of the other positions he's held are notable, they're basically assistant to the notable person/position.
As a note, I really dug into the UNGA positions and
based on our article and the fact that even voted-on chairs and committee members don't have articles/aren't notable leads me to believe this one-time appointee with no meaningful coverage isn't either. (I know, I know.
WP:OSE but I was using this as a gage of our standards for these positions.)
CUPIDICAE💕 13:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete I did some digging as well and didn't see anything aside from a few mentions that he might be "in the mix" for the US Attorney of Philadelphia and the UN delegation. Doesn't look to be notable.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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Note An "overblown PR piece" is hardly fair considering I included an article critical of his association with Trump Bedminster Golf Club. His position with NJDEP is relevant to that relationship. Another contributor added the information about U.S Attorney which I agree is not relevant as he was never nominated nor is there any indication he was being considered by Trump. I disagree that someone appointed to UNGA is not notable. The lack of entries for those persons should not justify the oversight. There is additional information on him, including his association with Trump that I plan on adding. I was also planning on entries for the other three members appointed, but will wait to see if this article is deleted.
Tommybrae (
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I'm not going to touch on the many reasons why your assertions are wrong, but I will note that the other three members do have articles because they were notable before the appointment and not because of it. Two were elected to congress which inherently meets
WP:NPOL, another is the commissioner of
American Battle Monuments Commission (though I have some doubts about notability because of this, she also meets
WP:NACADEMIC). The difference between those three women and Giordano? They all have coverage and held notable positions as per
WP:NPOL. Giordano has not and does not have the required coverage that is required to establish notability.
CUPIDICAE💕 16:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
First you slammed a very neutral article as "an overblown PR piece" and now you cancel me as "wrong" without providing any meaningful feedback that will help me improve my skills or provide me with guidance to include additional information that would meet the threshold. I expected more from this community. I will continue to add info as time allows until a decision is made.
Tommybrae (
talk) 16:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - The main thrust for notability is representing the Us in the UN General Assembly. Although one might 3expect that to be notable, it needs to be demonstrated with significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. In my search, I did not find such coverage. --
Whpq (
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Keep but it could probably use more of a re-write with more sources to further demonstrate notability. John Giordano is becoming mildly notable per his positions and appointments. His range of positions are notable, though not excessively so. But I think that more sources and citations could further show the context of his mild notability. -
KJS ml343x (
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Can you provide any of the sources that show his notability? I looked for a while and had no luck.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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KJS ml343xnone of his appointed positions meet
WP:NPOL and he has never been elected to an office.
CUPIDICAE💕 16:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete hasn't received enough coverage to demonstrate notability, and if kept, probably needs to be renamed since he's clearly not a politician.
SportingFlyerT·C 18:13, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Note Praxidicae, who submitted this for deletion, continues to make edits to the article. They have have added content they believe is noteworthy along with comments to justify the inclusion. I don't believe someone would spend time improving an article they truly believed should be deleted. I hope this justifies keeping the article. Then Praxidicae can continue to edit.
Tommybrae (
talk) 21:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding
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Tommybrae (
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How ridiculous. This should still be deleted, my edits were merely reverting your blatant attempt at whitewashing.
CUPIDICAE💕 22:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
You've omitted a fact: You added a sentence with the source. I didn't think it was germane so I deleted it (I still think it isn't). You reverted my edit thus re-adding your sentence. And now we are having a lively debate about content on a article! Again, you have shown it is worthy of keeping.
Tommybrae (
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Do not put words in my mouth, I have not and will not advocate for keeping this article. He isn't notable and you haven't found a single source that would establish that he is.
CUPIDICAE💕 23:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I did not "put words in your mouth" but you did put words in the article after having submitted it for deletion. You can't have it both ways - it should be available for anyone to edit, not just you until you cancel it for everyone else.
Tommybrae (
talk) 00:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Are you insinuating that a nominator cannot edit the article or it invalidates the nomination?
CUPIDICAE💕 00:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Tommybrae you're really failing to understand the basics of Wikipedia. How do you even have admin rights? Easy. I don't. But my comments here and edits to the article aren't what preclude me from being an admin.
CUPIDICAE💕 13:33, 5 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment It is not unusual for long-time editors to find an article worthy of deletion, yet make edits in a good faith effort to bring the entry nearer to acceptable standards. This is what I attempted at a related biography,
Gregory Montanaro, which was in far worse condition. This is done in much the same spirit as ministering to the terminally ill.
2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (
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Delete: Sourcing entirely fails to push this across the line of
NPOL,
NBIO or
GNG.
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Redirect Character not notable enough for his own article. It is worth noting, however, that I had a ferret named Detective Vic Mackey.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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Merge. There is some reception, but it seems to fail
WP:SIGCOV - it's one-two sentences about this character here and there. Still, this can be salvaged by merging the reception section, which is much more important for us than the plot summary fancruft (which can happily exist on some fan wikia). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Comment- As a significant contributor to this article, that approach would be welcomed should the consensus here be for delete (which is looking likely). The reception section is the only part I'm responsible for anyway, the plot summary was resurrected from years ago. Should the reception be merged into Gardocki's section on
List of The Shield characters, I'd probably be willing to add similar sections for the other major characters there too-- among other things, the article as a whole needs some serious work. Ridiculously over detailed. Also, if there are any experienced users reading this with knowledge of The Shield, I'd appreciate their opinion on as to whether any of the other more major characters may perhaps be notable enough for a stsndalone article. Which, again, I'd probably be willing to give a go. Thanks.
VideoGamePlaya (
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Redirect Content can be merged either way if someone finds it necessary.
Raymond3023 (
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Merge It's debatable whether it's enough to pass
WP:N but there is some good content to
WP:PRESERVE. The target is almost all primary sourced and needs some help.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
The singer doesn't appear to be notable enough to have a own article. The article has multiple issues, lacks of good references and fails
WP:MUSICBIO and
WP:GNG.
Lorik17 (
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Delete not even close to meeting our inclusion criteria for musicians.
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Artist doesn't appear to be notable enough to have a own article. The article has multiple issues, lacks of good references and fails
WP:MUSICBIO and
WP:GNG.
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Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for musicians.
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Yes, I googled + researched her. --
Devokewater 22:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep the article needs to be rewritten with better sources. But a cursory search suggests
WP:SIGCOV. Will work on incorporating some this week.
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Keep She meets notability criteria and via Google I found a wide number of credible news media based sources documenting her dancing and contest career. The article should be re-written a bit, fleshed out, and more sources added. I believe
WP:SIGCOV comes into play. Hollie Robertson definitely seems to be notable enough to merit inclusion, but better and more sources are needed.
KJS ml343x (
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Keep She is notable and passes
WP:GNG but agree that the page could be improved.
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The result was no consensus. This is a close call, but after two relists and very limited support in favor of keeping, I am going to go ahead and close this one without prejudice against a future nomination. Note that this does not imply the current state of the article is acceptable, but the notability argument has not reached consensus after two bites at the relisting apple. GoPhightins! 00:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Promo article on a non notable film writer who fails to satisfy any criterion from
WP:CREATIVE, & following a
WP:BEFORE search I observed the subject of the article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources hence falls to satisfy
WP:GNG also. Celestina007 (
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Keep The article (
/info/en/?search=Janardhana_Maharshi) was initially deleted, As I've not given any links before. They were added later and was undeleted.
Janardhana Maharshi is a very notable Person, So please kindly keep this article. Thank you.
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Keep Google search results suggest that Janardhana Maharshi is a moderately notable person in the world of Telugu filmmaking. Some of the article sources seem significant enough news sources to demonstrate Janardhana Maharshi's notability, other of the sources look a bit low quality to me. I think the subject just barely meets
WP:CREATIVE, as for
WP:GNG the Telugu language news sources I see in Google augment the English language ones. The sources are reliable and known from the context of Southern Indian news media, and the subject seems to have sufficient coverage therein to merit inclusion. I think the article should be kept: but should be definitely improved and re-worked a bit.
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Comment - not a problem, we all do this from time to time. In future, please consider tagging
WP:G7.
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The result was keep.
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In itself, the platform is easy to master: you must first create a file in English, then offer equivalences in other languages. However, we have noticed that most of the definitions that are not written in English are translations. ... TermWiki also has an infuriating number of typos as a “first step”. In addition, the tabs and divisions of the site are innumerable, which makes navigation sometimes complicated, and some pages are not translated. ... Unveiled to the public in May 2011 by CSOFT, the free version of TermWiki already has more than 11 million terms in 75 languages and millions of users. So while the terminology tool is still in its infancy, it has potential if the global community
This is a 368-word review of TermWiki in a Romanian journal article. The review notes:
In our opinion, Termwiki is a complex cloud-based terminology management tool, a good solution for professionals and enterprises and an excellent training ground for students. It is also a successful online open community of terminologists outstanding activity consists of glossaries in 102 languages, classified in 1 716 categories, and comprising 5 610 207 terms.
The journal article provides three sentences of coverage of TermWiki: "In the point of view of terminology, the most interesting Wiki project is maybe TermWiki, which is a free, multiple-language, online, collective terminology database. The reason TermWiki is new and interesting is because it combines the features of collective free multiple language dictionaries and features of popular social network sites. TermWiki allows non-professionals, professionals, terminologists and translators to share knowledge, edit pages of terms or create brand new pages."
The book provides four sentences of coverage about TermWiki. The book notes: "[two sentences about TermWiki] Although the open version of TermWiki presents a vast and interesting collection of layperson-generated term records on a wide range of subjects, it is unclear the extent to which professional terminologists actually consult or make use of this collection. However, TermWiki also offers private, professional versions that could be used internally within an organization by a 'closed crowd' in a manner similar to that of the MTCF described above."
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Keep per
WP:HEY. The sources provided by Cunard. Best,
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Do not show significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Fails
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weak keep all the major references are IMDB, and can not be considered as reliable, maybe someone can try to add more sources and re write it properly.
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Delete IMDb is not a realible source and we need to stop building articles on it.
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delete I couldnt find anything to establish notability under
WP:GNG, or
WP:NCREATIVE. IMDb is not a realible source and we need to stop building articles on it. —usernamekiran
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Total failure of
WP:V and has been since creation. I will happily withdraw this nomination if anyone can even provide so much as a scrap of proof that such a mountain exists, but to the greatest extent of my ability to search, I have not been able to do so. GEOnet shows no results for the word "cesius" in Chile, and since "cerro" means mountain, that nets you, oh, 6000+ results, so that doesn't help.
Absolutely zero hits on Google or GBooks. Every hit I found was a false positive - typos, hits on similar words, or instances where a sentence ends with Cerro and the next one starts with Cesius, or vice versa. No article on any other wiki to swipe sources from. ♠
PMC♠
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Delete Fails
WP:V, even if it does exist it fails
WP:GEOLAND. There are a large number of named and unnamed peaks in the Chilean Andes that would fail
WP:GEOLAND where no information beyond statistics and coordinates exist e.g.
[10], and
here is a list of 40 peaks from 4270 to 4293M elevation, all sourced to maps, only some of which are named, and that's the 49th page of 40 for Chilean mountains.----
Pontificalibus 09:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete, per nom. I can't find any evidence that this mountain exists.
SailingInABathTub (
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Delete Although I found this totally legitimate
word search for mountains in Chile which includes Cerro Cesius, that's literally the only thing I could find that wasn't ripped off from Wikipedia.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
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It exists. I tracked it down on a map. It appears to be a typo that's manifested across Wikipedia languages. There's not much on Cerro Ceusis apart from a mention in a scholarly journal and a listing in a Chilean governmental document.
[11]SportingFlyerT·C 00:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
SportingFlyer, thanks for finding that. I tried to double check to see if there were any further sources that would show the topic meets
WP:GEOLAND, but I can't find any, so ultimately I'm still in favor of not having a standalone. But I wouldn't argue with a redirect to maybe
List of mountains in the Andes (under the corrected spelling, of course). ♠
PMC♠
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I think a redirect makes a lot of sense. I know this isn't technically evidence of anything, but the fact this can go unnoticed for so long clearly shows it's not notable.
SportingFlyerT·C 10:25, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete - per above, this is an incorrect name, and the actual mountain probably isn't notable. A redirect from the correct spelling would make sense, but I don't think we should be propagating an error by having this spelling.
Hog FarmTalk 14:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Agree - should probably have written "a redirect makes a lot of sense, from the correct spelling."
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL.
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Subject is not regarded as an important figure or is not widely cited by peers or successors.
Subject is not known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique.
Subject has not created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work.
Subject's works have not: (a) become a significant monument, (b) not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) not won significant critical attention, or (d) not been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
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Comment: The nominator makes no claim to have carried out a search for sources, but there are quite a few—especially under Sadhu's Bengali name, হুমায়ূন সাধু. He also has a
considerably longer article on Bengali Wikipedia, with 19 sources. This feels like a case where notability would be clear were it not for the language barrier. --
Usernameunique (
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Weak Keep- Per
this source and wide spread coverage and tributes in all major media publications.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Note: By all indications, this article is on a different subject than that of previous AFDs. Usedtobecool☎️ 10:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Fair point - the previous AfDs related to
this person, a young green activist associated with a "Plant for the Planet" initiative. The two will need to be distinguished for this AfD.
AllyD (
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Delete. The most relevant notability guideline here is
WP:PROF. The subject is a current PhD student, with an h-index of 5 and top-cited paper with 14 cites in GScholar
[12], way too low for
WP:PROF#C1. There are several awards listed but they are mostly student level/promise awards or else not sufficiently significant to indicate notanility under either
WP:PROF#C2 or
WP:PROF#C1 on their own. The case for
WP:GNG/
WP:BIO is also too weak as with the exception of the Kathmandou Post article, the other sources are either primary or non-independent or both. In any case, for a GNG pass for a blogger, I think we'd need a great deal more significant independent coverage than is indicated here right now.
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Delete totally fails the academic notability guidelines. Also does not pass the writer notability guidelines.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
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Indiscriminate combination of various uses of the word "information" in physics, apparently written as an
essay in 2005 and never fixed. PROD declined. Actual scientific literature will sometimes use the words "physical" and "information" in proximity, but as
we've seen before, the
bag-of-words approach to judging notability does not work for technical topics.
XOR'easter (
talk) 04:40, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete, basically per
WP:TNT. The physical aspects of information theory have been studied, there are survey articles about this general topic (e.g.
[13]), and we have appropriate articles on aspects of this general topic; see e.g.
Black hole information paradox.
Extreme physical information seems to be something else, a fuzzy topic in mathematics studied by a few fuzzy mathematicians following a book Physics from Fisher information by Frieden that
MR1676801 strongly suggests as being fringe; I'm skeptical that it's notable but in any case it is better covered at its link than here. This article seems to be even less than either of those things: a grab-bag of topics linked only by the words "physical" and "information". I don't think it is salvageable, except maybe by throwing away all but the "see also" section and calling it a disambiguation page, but even then it probably wouldn't meet the standards for what should be a disambiguation page. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 06:21, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes, the "physics from Fisher information" business is very fuzzy, with a lot of assuming-the-desired-answer
[14][15][16].
XOR'easter (
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Comment I have to be away for a while, probably longer than this AfD will run, tending to other things, but hopefully it will shake out adequately without me.
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She makes things that are sold in some gift shops, but does not rise to the level of meeting GNG. The article has previously been deleted under this name and under a similar name (Afd discussion on the latter
here.)
Kbabej (
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Delete Blatantly advertising..also she does not meet notability guidelines. Also, as noted, previously deleted. I seldom, if ever, vote delete, but this merits a delete for sure.Antonio The Airbus A380 Martin (
como?) 05:18, 3 March, 2021 (UTC)
Delete falls incredibly short of GNG. Best,
GPL93 (
talk) 20:41, 7 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: per others.--by
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Delete In agreement with prior comments.
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Fails
WP:GNG.
WP:BEFORE reveals no substantive discussion of the award. Prize does not inherit notability from being awarded to notable people. WhinyTheYounger (WtY)(
talk,
contribs) 04:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep A respectable award, named after a notable person, awarded to notable people by a notable society. Not seeing the problem.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 16:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep First off, if you're looking for sources look for the Alice Hunt Bartlett Award as well as Prize, as both terms are used. It is listed as an award in
The National Directory of Grants and Aid to Individuals in the Arts, International and is mentioned in tons of literary directories from the period it was awarded. Listed
here in the 1985 Book Publishing Annual. It's mentioned as an award for everyone who's won it in the Who's Who books of poets, it's mentioned in Library of Congress Information Bulletins
[17]. It's even in an issue of the
Statesman from 1968. To me this is an example of an enormous amount of mentions establishing notability. All of these sources wouldn't be noting that someone won the award, or that the award was getting ready to be announced, or an author mentioning the award without the award being notable.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
talk) 16:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep referred to in The Times as "Britain's major annual poetry prize": The Times Diary, Author: PHS, Date: Thursday, May 21, 1970, Issue: 57875
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Fails
WP:GNG.
WP:BEFORE reveals no substantive discussion of the award. Prize does not inherit notability from being awarded to notable people. WhinyTheYounger (WtY)(
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The result was delete.
Daniel (
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The article has no reference at all. A search on Google only found really scant remarks of the concept, and all of the results are on blog-like page and none of them are
WP:RS. Google Scholar results and searches on journals turns up nothing.
SunDawn (
talk) 04:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete As the nominator says.
SoyokoAnis 00:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete: Barely found anything about the term. ASTIG😎(
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To gives examples, in the first sentence of the non-lead section of the article, it states that Northwestern European people have been identified as a distinct pan-ethnic grouping. They have been researched in academia in historical, cultural, linguistic and anthropological studies.[1][2][3]Neither of the three citations with quotes back up the first sentence's claim that Northwestern European people "have been identified as a distinct pan-ethnic grouping", that's clearly a novel synthesis.
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 03:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete as
synthesis. So many different usages are being crammed together that the page ultimately conveys no information beyond what applying basic English syntax to the title would yield, i.e., "people from a northwestern part of Europe".
XOR'easter (
talk) 05:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete as both synthesis, and being pointless. As mentioned above, one learns nothing from reading the article other than "this is what people from NW Europe are like", which is already adequately covered on the individual articles for the distinct ethnic groups that make up this apparently-made-up conglomeration.
ƒirefly (
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c ) 10:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
DeleteWP:SYNTH and note that the article lacks coverage of the (blood) quantum black hole that forms when a Northwest European mates with a South Eastern European. -
Roxy the grumpy dog.wooF 14:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Made-up topic. Arbitrary classifactions by demographers and a compass-point do not define a "pan-ethnic grouping". We already have too much articles about made-up "pan"-groupings here, but this one beats them all. –
Austronesier (
talk) 13:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)reply
^Konrad Ehlich; Johannes Wagner (1995). "Negotiation discourse and interaction in a cross-cultural perspective". The Discourse of Business Negotiation (Studies in Anthropological Linguistics).
De Gruyter Mouton. p. 185.
ISBN978-3110140392. This also explains why bargaining spans tend to be so great at the outset: this should by no means be interpreted (as many Northwest European people would probably do) as lack of empathy or concern with the other party's standpoint, but rather a tension-creating device
^Ian Haney López (2006). "Ozawa and Thind". White by Law: The Legal Construction of Race.
NYU Press. p. 75.
ISBN978-0814736944. "In a variety of surveys, the American population ranked Northwestern Europeans highest, then the South-Central-Eastern Europeans, in turn the Japanese and Chinese, and finally blacks." A year after the decision in Thind, Congress responded to this popular prejudice with immigration quotas
^Leslie Page Moch (2009). "Migration in the Twentieth Century". Moving Europeans, Second Edition: Migration in Western Europe since 1650.
Indiana University Press. p. 186.
ISBN978-0253215956. Among the immigrant groups from cultures whose religious practices and perceived appearance were distinct from those of northwestern Europeans, the Turks are most important.
Delete The reference is just a mish mash of everything termed "Northwestern European" while the article fails to establish that such pan-ethnic group even existed. The fact that there are people living in NE Europe geographically does not mean that they are a pan-ethnic group. When a news article about prostate cancer is being referenced in a pan-ethnic group article it shows that the references are a bit dubious.
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Delete: per others.--by
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The result was keep.
Daniel (
talk) 09:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Unclear why this person is notable. She seem to have won a large number of awards that are of unclear notability from a small number of organizations, and founded an organization and festival that are also of unclear notability. I have had difficulty finding mentions of her in
WP:RS's.
Phuzion (
talk) 03:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
keep, quite a large number of recognition and awards. Needs some cleanup,
WP:RESUME applies here. --
hroest 21:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Seems to have sufficient coverage. Does need some tidying, but
WP:DINC. -
Kj cheetham (
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Speedy keep: Because it not fail gng yet.--by
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Fails
WP:NCORP. News articles on the closure of a business are trivial routine coverage per NCORP. Zero sources outside local news or trade magazines.
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Fails
WP:GNG and
WP:SPLIT. This article doesn't go into a whole lot of detail (at least, detail that would go beyond a simple summary in
2006 United States House of Representatives elections in Michigan) into a race that was supposedly somewhat competitive but ultimately did not switch seats, so there's no indication for any special notability regarding this story. Much of the article is instead focused on providing a
WP:BIO on the Democratic nominee who lost to the Republican incumbent, so if there is some notability to be found in that topic, I would recommend an entire revamp of the article so it could revolve around that person.
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The result was Speedy Delete - No credible claims of notability. --
MichaelGreiner 03:54, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I can find no indication online this racer is currently a notable professional (participating in professional-grade tournaments) to the level that would meet
WP:NSPORT. I can find no race information or meaningful secondary sources at all.
Sauzer (
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Delete Not notable, lacks sourcing, clearly promo.
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Apart from a single book from John Arnott, there is not much mention on this concept. A search on Google Scholar founds out there is no mention of this marketing concept. The article also didn't have any references.
SunDawn (
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Delete Zero sources found.
Oaktree b (
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Delete As above, I was unable to locate any good secondary references. Some marketing news uses of the phrase are out there, such as
here, but nothing to suggest the notability of the concept.
Sauzer (
talk) 02:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete No sources and a quick search also brought up nothing of note.
Redoryxx (
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Delete: per above.--
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Delete no good reason to have this list. It is also not clearly defined.
John Pack Lambert (
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Delete Per above and it's a stub.
SoyokoAnis 01:25, 4 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete as an indiscriminate list. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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Delete, per nom and poor sourcing.
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