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Hi Austronesier, I have been looking into East Timor lately, and have come up on the question of early population. I understand the traditional "wave" model varies base on what people count as a wave, for Timor it's something between 2-4. However, I am unsure whether that aligns with recent thinking. This paper seems to show 3 waves (Fig 8), but talks about a traditional two-wave model. Anyway, I was wondering if you were more aware of current thinking/current sources (especially on Timor), or perhaps whether it may be better to be vaguer when trying to summarise. Best, CMD ( talk) 03:05, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello there - regarding this edit of yours, firstly thanks(!) and secondly, do you remember where that discussion is you refer to in your edit summary? No problem if you can't find it. As I recall, there was general agreement amongst project members to trim variant languages back to just one (Indonesian). Multiple languages seem to be creeping back in.
I'd be interested in your thoughts - and the broader Indonesian project - in the inclusion of provisional mottoes. For me, they seem a bit meaningless...more like political slogans that actually tell us very little. But perhaps as a non-Indonesian, I'm missing something and they are important. Otherwise, I'd like to propose that they be removed from the infoboxes. (I often feel that people just squeeze as much stuff into infoboxes as they can with the result that a lot is irrelevant).
Incidentally, there were no less than 7 language variants in the Dutch East Indies article (including Tamil and Arabic - I'm sure readers found that very useful ha ha). I trimmed it back to Indonesian and Dutch. -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:15, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Merbabu: Talking about meritless bloat, you might be interested to see what's going on in Melanesia. My main task was to sucessfully remove the fringe POV of Maluku and Moluccans being considered part of Melanesia. Since this entailed the removal of useless repetitive country name dropping, it has caused offence with a LOUT-socking chauvinist SPA (who btw thinks I am Malaysian LOL). – Austronesier ( talk) 10:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
In case you don't have access, Ringe et al. don't seem to mention Corded Ware at all in their paper that uses the impressive sounding ( for the early 2000s, I guess) 'perfect phylogeny algorithm' and 'software' (the "In other words..." part looks like pure OR... scrap the lot, I say! 😁) Tewdar 18:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, you’re one of the editors who warned about lack of sources. See [ Special:Contributions/Zahamey]. ANI? They see, to have just ignored the warnings. Doug Weller talk 18:45, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
I have just posted this [5] on Talk:Austronesian peoples. I have done so with some trepidation, as I am repeatedly misinterpreted on this matter by Obsidian Soul, who then gets angry – mostly about things that I have not said.
I appreciate your attempt to calm things down. However, on the subject I have just posted on, there are unresolved issues on the understanding of the correct sourcing of a photo and its accurate captioning. These arise largely because there is no definitive source to confirm exactly what is in the picture. In many cases, I would just drop the matter. But the incorrect interpretation I initially made of the photo is the same that many with an interest in sailing rigs would make. That incorrect interpretation would leave the reader doubting the competence of the article. It would be avoided by a better caption.
I note, incidentally, that Lakana still has an error in it – I have previously removed one instance of the article saying the sail was a crab claw sail but on checking back on it now, I find the error repeated in a picture caption. I seem to get no acknowledgement (let alone credit) for correcting careless editing errors (yes, we all make them). Yet I am unable to make progress with something which is a more complex problem.
I have no idea on the solution to this matter. However, I do not feel it is helpful to the Wikipedia project to allow myself to be bullied into silence. I do not necessarily look to you to do or say anything. However, it seems courteous to you to give you this update.
Thank your for your patience in this matter. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 21:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Your talk page is like a sort of eastern european novel I havent got the grasp of yet,
I must say that I find any generalised notions/labels/tags of anything south east asian and indonesian leave me quite phased as to whether validity exists - there is a part of my universities library special collection where a deceased area specialist donated books from a whole industry of attempts at explaining places with book titles that are now very unfashionable... so to answer your question - nah give me a cave on the nullarbor anytime - may you long continue to reflect a buzzing and generous intellect that takes care of the detail - simply put - I dont like unqualified labels, even if they have been used by x. So what? cheers JarrahTree 02:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, judging by this user's edits e,g- [6] [7] (rv by uanfala), [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], they seem to be a POV pusher. Please do the needful. Courtesy pin Uanfala. Reg Fyl. - 117.201.119.26 ( talk) 12:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Have a look at [15], especially this POV - a "Northwestern Indo-Aryan", apart from the insertion of South Asia, which can also be seen here. Also see this, which has been reverted. - 117.201.114.183 ( talk) 12:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, User Austronesier
I hope you are doing well
I saw that you recently reverted by edits on
Urdu article, apparently the population of in the article was presented 30,000,000 meanwhile in
Muhajirs it is presented as 15,000,000 keep in mind that population of Urdu speakers in Pakistan is mere 7.5% and estimated 15,000,000 as someone from Pakistan i believe it is my duty to oblige and provide information, the two Pakistani news articles which i presented also showed the figure and I did what was based on
2017 census of Pakistan.
Thanks for understanding.
⭐️ Starkex ⭐️
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✍️ 18:30, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Sorry. I forgot to mention that that was theory. Tamil may or not be the mother of Dravidian languages. But the theory that Tamil may be the one. If there are any sources to dispute the claim, you're welcome to add them on the article rather removing the information. Thanks! Bobwikia ( talk) 17:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi Austronesier, what is the best way to deal with problematic IPs constantly inserting awkward wording, changing language names, and adding uncited claims, such as Special:Contributions/82.58.201.16? Lingnanhua ( talk) 20:34, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
is the reply to the project comments that you make, or perhaps the hindi acchaa...
keep the faith, and keep moving! I plan to be somewhere else in a few months, I must give you the details in an email... JarrahTree 09:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Austronesier,
I am uncertain of what you are referring to in this edit:
And no, "tongue" is not what we use in an encyclopedia unless when talking about the organ
Tongue means "language" in English, such as "mother tongue", "native tongue", "foreign tongue", and so on.
021120x ( talk) 16:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi. Hate to bug you, but you are much more experienced in language related articles than I am. Could you take a look at this article and let me know what you think. I can't get a machine translation of one of the sources, this one, and I do not think the other one is a reliable source. Onel5969 TT me 16:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Austronesier Sorry to break the bad news, but the reverting sockpuppet is back, under the name Signaler62. He must be blocked, again, for good. Fdom5997 ( talk) 00:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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Can I revert Oghuric languages to this? I can't see any reason not to. Volgabulgari ( talk) 13:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
😂 Tewdar 15:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Here’s an interesting take on the usual pro-Turkic pov pushing on Hunnish topics: [24] I’ve never heard anyone try to make a Lallwort cognate argument before- I suppose it will be onomatopoeia cognates next!— Ermenrich ( talk) 11:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. Hate to bug you, but would you mind taking a look at this article and give me your opinion on it? Onel5969 TT me 20:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Onel5969: another one has mushroomed up [25]. – Austronesier ( talk) 22:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Adequate sources are given to keep or potentially expand the content on Akshumite empire and the Amhara (a book from the Library of Congress archives and more). Could you please help closing the discussion? It seems going no where at this stage. Thank you. Petra0922 ( talk) 13:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi Austronesier yes I had a source but I didn't know how to add it to the edit page but the website is isuu.com/zigula. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 22:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello Austronesier! Since you seem to have some experience in Austronesian languages, could you perform the merge recommended at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poso Pesisir language? I suspect you will do a much better job than I. Gratefully, Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 10:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
What do you think of this one? I draftified it, hoping it would be improved, but it was simply returned to mainspace. Would like your take. Onel5969 TT me 12:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I've seen you active in linguistics topics before. I wonder what do you think of these edits [27] [28] [29]. A user has apparently went on a crusade to question the designation of Serbian, Croatian, Bosniak and Montenegrin as languages. There is a LOT of edits like this [30], and they're all based on ridiculous actions such as adding a citation needed template for Serbs in North Macedonia speaking Serbian. While I am aware that from a linguistic point of view these languages are basically the same, politics also plays sometimes an important role. This mass wave of edits looks to me as highly disruptive and I was seeking for some place to take this all to notice. The linguistics WikiProject talk page looks dead so I was thinking of straight up reporting this user to WP:ANI but I'd like a second opinion. Super Ψ Dro 09:35, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Akatziri. -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 12:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi, these [32] [33] look familiar ain't it? Wasn't there a sockfarm that POV pushed Urdu in all Hindustani related articles? Forgetting the name. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 13:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Is this helpful. I mean, I've read that the word means 'head man', but is it relevant here? - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 16:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
Looks like our friend is on a spree adding DIY diagrams in articles today. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 17:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Have a look at this change. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 16:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi Austronesier, are you aware of any study on the origin and spread of the culture of areca nut and betel leaf? I am, of course, interested in the chewing and the chewing style aspects of it, but I am more interested in the areca nut as a cultural object with possible symbolisms associated with it.
My interest is because areca nut chewing is very common among the Khasis who speak an Austroasiatic language. In Assam the nut is chewed after fermenting it---if you know that happen elsewhere, could you please let me know. But the raw nut when it is still green and sometimes attached to the bunch, are traditionally exchanged or gifted on special occasions (marriage, etc.) It is said that on such occasions, the areca nut symbolizes fertility.
I hope you can point me in the right direction. Thanks!
Chaipau ( talk) 13:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
You do know that Kuliak Songhai and Kunama arent spoken in Sudan or South Sudan and that they arent indigenous languages in Sudan right?. Kunama is spoken in Eritrea, Songhai is spoken in Mali, and Kuliak is spoken in Uganda multiple sources report this. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 21:30, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I already explained earlier that the Hadendowa are Muslim and follow Islam and no source is needed to prove it as it's well known that they practice Islam. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 19:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the warm welcome. I'm happy to help to the best of my capacity, but I can't say I enjoy going through these lengthy removal procedures...
BTW, you were right in this edit description I've just tracked down: [38]. If Saribu is Eiskrahablo, then so is Blackman Jr. since no one else seems to think that minor local languages are regulated by Indonesian bodies ( w:id:Bahasa Sula Baku + Natuna Malay). In fact, there's quite a few dubious (and suspiciously similar) language articles in the Indonesian Wikipedia, but I've never done anything. And since they're reproducing their stuff globally ( Q118173650), I think swift action needs to be taken. Would you be willing to assist me? Semmiii ( talk) 09:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi! I hope you don’t mind me asking this here. A while ago, my edit on Help:IPA/Albanian was reverted with the justification that it was not discussed. I made the edit after my changes on Albanian language#Phonology. According to this paper The Vowels of Standard Albanian, the IPA for ‘e’ is /e/ and not /ɛ/. I understand that there is occasional alternation, but it seems unexplainable to me that ‘e’ would be pronounced always or mostly as /ɛ/. Would you be able to find out more? I’m asking you because you seem knowledgeable about phonology and have shown interest in Albanian. If you can’t or don’t want to, that’s perfectly fine. Just ignore this message. Thank you in advance!
I'm copy-pasting this message to another user. Again, hope you don't mind:) FierakuiVërtet ( talk) 19:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Noting your edit summary [39], which touched on defining the subject of the article, I am wondering if you have any other solution for this encyclopedia explaining terminology that has varying definitions. Perhaps I am over-relaxed about Wikipedia doing that job, having rewritten large parts of Cutter (boat) and all of Yawl. Both these articles have multiple definitions of the subject of the article. There, as in Maritime southeast Asia, one of the reasons that an encyclopaedia user might refer to Wikipedia is that they are trying to work out what the term means. We do them no favours if we confidently provide just one definition.
I am, incidentally, persuaded by Bellwood confirming to me that he has never used the term "maritime southeast Asia". It really seems that is a term for after, say, 500CE, whilst those working BCE are firm users of "island southeast Asia". ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 23:13, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Island Southeast Asia (including the islands of the Philippines, insular Malaysia and the Indonesian archipelago)(the expecetd literal meaning),
Island Southeast Asia (including Malay Peninsula),
Island Southeast Asia, including modern Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Malaysia(the Bellwood definition, but unspecified "Malaysia" includes the Malay Peninsula). I haven't come across not a single source (except for a dubious web site) that talks about "Maritime Southeast Asia (including Taiwan)".
See this explanation. Cheers, Mathglot ( talk) 02:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Why did you refer to myself as a block evader, and go on to attack me as edit warring? I added material from legitimate and widely accepted academic sources. I contributed to the discussion on the talk page. Why should paleogenomic studies be omitted from the section about the origins of Afroasiatic? 50.100.222.203 ( talk) 18:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
How are you? You might want to look at the major changes to Ethnicity today. Not a subject I deal with much, but some clear problems. Doug Weller talk 12:57, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
You were guarded in your language, but [43] may be why a certain editor has perhaps inadvertently opened a can of worms with less guarded comments. I dropped a message on their talk page to try to help. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 18:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Hey, I wonder if you'd like to contribute here in case you missed it. IMO clearly problematic, but chances are you have more knowledge about the topic. Thanks in advance. Semmiii ( talk) 10:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello I would really appreciate it if you can also send a recent language estimate for number of speakers of Dongolawi and Midob. Thanks! Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 22:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Well any update did you find anything on Ethnologue for the updated figure for Dongolawi and Midob? Also do you know the updated number of Sudanese Arabic speakers both L1 and L2 speakers if there is any. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 18:18, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
39,100,000 in Sudan, all users. L1 users: 30,100,000 in Sudan (2017). L2 users: 9,000,000 (2019). Total users in all countries: 42,373,370 (as L1: 33,373,370; as L2: 9,000,000)
Not sure if you're at all tempted to continue responding to Zahida2013 over at Ancient Egyptian race controversy, but FYI they've already been confirmed as a sockmaster. Just waiting on an admin to make their way through the SPI backlog for the block to go through, so you might as well save yourself the time. Cheers, Generalrelative ( talk) 19:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello can you give me the population estimate of Nobiin speakers in Sudan just Sudan and also updated edition of Kenzi or Mattokki speakers thanks. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 18:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello I understand your busy and that you don't use Wikipedia that much. But I need the following figures from Ethnologue.
Bilen ethnic group and language new edition.
Number of Nobiin speakers in Sudan.
Number of Nara speakers in Eritrea new edition.
Number of Kenzi language speakers in Egypt.
Thank you have a great day. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 14:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
@ A455bcd9: Not sure if you're doing requests, but @Cookiemonster1618 needs from data from Ethnologue. Right now, it is hard for me to keep up with their pace of requests, maybe you (as a G.O.A.T. contributor to Ethnologue) can help me out and take turns in feeding them :) – Austronesier ( talk) 15:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
I took a look over there and, uh, yikes, that's the worst offender. I've tried cleaning up some of it today, but it's very much not up to Wiki standard. It's also got a pretty massive false balance issue. Warrenmck ( talk) 07:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, there's another user who removed the census information and estimate on the number of Acholi and added an unreliable source I have undid their edits but they keep reverting back. Please see the issue. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 17:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello there is a user who's name is Metaphysics34 can you please give them a warning to stop adding unsourced additions and vandalising articles. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 15:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I hope this is not canvassing. But a user is again on the Bamileke people page making what look to be POV-pushing and tendentious edits (including what look to be some questionable sources and elements of Synth/OR) to support a Nile Valley origin of the Bamikeke people. Could you take a look when you get the chance? (I'm not sure what the rules are regarding whether you are supposed to ping a user then you mention or refer to them - or whether that only applies to notice boards. If it is the former, I will add their name/handle and ping them.) Skllagyook ( talk) 12:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm afraid the edits of that editor are starting become more egregious and OR. They are now beginning to edit war at Ibrahim Njoya (using a tiny genetic component found in a study and not discussed at all in its text as evidence of some oral or genealogical tradition of Egyption origin). They will not listen to my summary notes explaining why this is OR. I'd really rather avoid reporting them. Skllagyook ( talk) 14:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Have you been watching all the changes going on at Low German? Do you have any opinion? It's hard to keep up with all the changes.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 16:02, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, What's weird is that when I did my edit here yesterday at the Malay phonology article, all's I ever remember is only adding the bracket mark within the Plosive/Affricate box. I do not remember editing the section describing the palatal affricate sounds (in Line 112) at all. I honestly don't know what happened, but as far as I know, maybe it could have been a conflicting edit or something, because I swear I did not edit that part. Fdom5997 ( talk) 19:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi Dear, This says - Our current phylogenetic understanding suggests that haplogroup O2a-M95 originated >12 kya in East/Southeast Asia and expanded more recently into South Asia (Fig. 1). The frequency distribution and coalescent pattern of various founders amongst Mundari groups clearly show that the migration of Austroasiatics to South Asia was much later than the origin of O2a-M95 (Fig. 1). The diverse founders as well as the large number of unclassified samples (41% for Mundari, 38% for Khasi and 1% for Tibeto-Burmans) suggest that the dispersal of Austroasiatic speakers to South Asia was not associated with the migration of a single clan or a drifted population. Neither does the contrasting distribution of various founders discovered in this study amongst both Mundari and Tibeto-Burman populations support the assimilation of the former to the latter.
Is it a good source for People of Assam#Peopling of Assam ? Northeast heritage ( talk) 15:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
1. According to the citation number 3, ɬ is just a phonetic used to represent the palatal lateral [ʎ] sound.
2. The ɬ that you think replace the Blust's *ñ aka Voiced palatal nasal ɲ and the *N aka Voiced palatal lateral approximant ʎ has a huge difference between the two. That's not how a recronstruction work.
3. The whole thing is a reconstruction. There is nothing to do with asterik
4. Compare Blust and Wolff tables and use the logic
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I was wondering if you had any opinion on Waruno Mahdi's theory on the pre-Austronesian populations of ISEA providing a fully functioning maritime technology that established westward trade connections out of the region prior to the arrival of Austronesian speakers. His arguments are based on linguistics, as well as taking in the movement of some plant (i.e. crop) species at early dates. Given the linguistic basis to the theory, it occurred to me that you might be able to give some guidance on (a) the robustness of what is proposed from a linguistics point of view and (b) the general reputation of Mahdi in the field of linguistics.
You will find Mahdi laying out his ideas in:
Looking at some reviews of the latter work, I see favourable comment on Mahdi's contribution at [47] and cannot find any unfavourable academic review.
To be clear, Mahdi's theory does not preclude further technological development by Austronesian speakers as they migrated across and out of ISEA. All I understand Mahdi to be saying is that their predecessors had a complete and functional package. As a personal view, without some miraculous archaeological discoveries, I doubt we could ever be sure who invented exactly which component of any of the technologies used.
Stepping away from linguistics and looking just at maritime prehistory, it seems obvious that ISEA must have had a functional maritime technology for as long as humans lived there. This is argued by, for instance: McGrail, Sean (2014). Early ships and seafaring : water transport beyond Europe. Barnsley: Pen and Sword Books Limited.
ISBN
9781473825598.
and even Horridge tentatively attributes, in a later paper, some technological advances to pre-Austronesian residents of the region.(" Probably this was not an Austronesian invention....
[48])
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References
Do you have an opinion on these changes?-- Ermenrich ( talk) 15:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
By the way, Srnec has found an interesting new review article from 2022 that I haven't skimmed through the whole way but that includes a statement of WP:RS/AC on "Germanic" on the first two pages. At the risk of re-starting the wars, I added them to the article.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 21:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Looks like this IP range from Atlanta is a nuisance. Showed up in one the articles I patrol today. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 19:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Following up on your false and misleading statement which you don't even have the decency to strike out when exposed, could you please answer these specific questions:
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Hello,
does Santali actually have a synthetic declension? It seems that its speakers write the supposed suffixes separately. I found this document where the supposed suffixes are written as separate words except for the title of a magazine from the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century. Also, in this Santali article from the Santali Wikipedia the genitive marker "ᱨᱮᱭᱟᱜ" (reak', reag) appears only by its own in case that this is not another word, which I wouldn't presume as well due to its frequency. The only words that I found being written together nowadays so far are the genitives of the personal pronouns and the demonstrative pronouns. HeliosX ( talk) 21:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
You mentioned that Adelaar has never used "Batakic" but in Endangered Languages of Austronesia (2010) in page 24 seen here, Adelaar mentions in the first paragraph that "Batakic" as one of seven independent language groups in Sumatra and seems to use it interchangeably with "Batak". Does that not warrant for at least mentioning that Batakic is an alternate name for the Batak languages?
- Ultron90 ( talk) 13:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
are Santali word-final stops or stops before a morpheme pronounced like unreleased stops with a glottal stop or like voiceless ejective stops? HeliosX ( talk) 19:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi Austronesier, sorry for the very casual question, but I was wondering if you know (or know where to find) much about very local variations in Hokkien. We have for example our stub at Southern Peninsular Malaysian Hokkien, but local speakers have informed my for example that Malacca and Johor Bahru Hokkien is different too, which I cannot find any information on (all online discussion seems to be about the differences between Malacca/Singapore and Penang). Merry Christmas, CMD ( talk) 01:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
cultural organizations, but don't know if this is the best way to cover the concept. — kwami ( talk) 18:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I would like to tip that a user by the name of Widjono Wahyuni has been profusingly deleting citations regarding the Malaysian use of the kris, even though the citations are valid from resources like the Malaysian Foreign Ministry and Reuters. It is suspected that Widjono is warring on the basis of nationalism or nativism (overlapping with anti-Malaysia sentiment) as shown from inclination towards entries related to nationalistic imagery like it, Nusantara (term) et cetera. Oh, and his profile has nothing but the Indonesian flag and arms flexing emoji in it. You might need to look into that problem.
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I'm sorry for making those edits without understanding the policy. I know the policy now and won't make the same mistake again. Thank you for reverting them. Take care and happy new year! User:Uhhhum ( talk) 04:13, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Rather than personal attacks and wrong accusations as sock puppet (which 100% I am not) , I request you to be professional and productive. Standards or underlying sources. You clearly know what sources are saying on Saraiki. We all can work togather for linguistic topics, respect and politeness requested. LingoSouthAsia ( talk) 08:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi. Someone developed this with classification as a Papuan language, but specific claims were contradicted by the sources used. Anyway, thought it's possible you might know something about it. — kwami ( talk) 23:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Edit-warring again, trying to claim that the Finns were invented as the speakers of the Permo-Finnic languages rather than the other way around. — kwami ( talk) 09:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I noticed your response to a question on the Navajo language talk page, where you said you were looking for more recent sources about dialect variation. I found a paper that might interest you: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0271530911000346. I hope you find it useful! Abitowlish ( talk) 02:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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Why did you remove the footnotes? [62] No one objected to it in the talk page. Bogazicili ( talk) 08:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hello Austronesier! I just want to thank you for a lot of efforts on finding and reporting those sockpuppeteer, so here a barnstar for you :). Keep the good deeds on whipping out those silly troublemaker and I'm sorry that I can't help you a lot here as enwiki is the 'other realm' for me. Furthermore, I also give you these tasty inedible jpg's MalayINDONESIAAN!! cuisines.
/ɲə/-lvoskt ( bicara) 13:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
please do not unlink. I am in process to create main page for the same. please wait for couple of hours. Hope that helps?
Does Vofa's comment: "Do you think it would be fair if I kept the Bulgaric hypothesis part and kept the Oghuric part and to create a possibility of Bulgaric family which (in my opinion) is Chuvash and Mishar family,as their leaders have said over time that they are autohton peoples", sound like Volgabulgari-type edit/view? You reverted Volgabulgari on 23 April 2023 over similar comments. [64]
Volgabulgari was blocked as a sock of Kamista.-- Kansas Bear ( talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
The more I think I about it, the more I'm convinced that the Palembang article should be reserved for Palembang dialect only, with separate articles for both Musi proper and Musi cluster as a whole (esp. the latter). This way, it'd also clarify that Palembang isn't synonymous with Musi proper, though both of them do belong to the same Musi cluster (per Anderbeck & McDowell 2020).
My only concern would be the naming: the aforementioned publication uses "language" for the whole grouping, mentions a Palembang-Lowland cluster > Palembang subcluster with three dialects, and an Upper Musi cluster with Musi proper as one of its dialect (with three more subdialects). In id.wp they use "bahasa" for individually named lects (per common usage in Indonesian) and "rumpun bahasa" for the whole grouping (not the common usage, but useful for disambiguation purposes). Glottolog comes up with the usual -ic neologism ("Music") and includes two "languages" within it, since Col [liw] is still coded separately from the rest of the [mui] lects.
Say we're going to separate the articles for the cluster and the individual lects (at least for those meeting WP:N), should we use:
Or yet another format? — swarabakti💬 09:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Also pinging Hunan201p, though it looks like he has been inactive for a while. I recently opened a sockpuppet investigation here that now has another iteration here. In spending time combing through diffs of the Kolossoni socks and the IP range that is active at the current sock investigation, I realized that there are a number of similarities between the Kolossoni sockmaster and your old friend. I need your expert opinion, because the interest/behavior overlap seems pretty large, but there is a clear difference in English fluency and in some of the specific focus.
They tick a lot of the boxes from the habitual behavior section of the LTA page: obsession with East Asian genetics and culture--especially ancient origins (including specifically Genetic history of East Asians and Korean influence on Japanese culture); long-winded edit summaries; specific ethnic claims among the socks, or usernames that suggest a specific ethnic background (Kolossoni claimed to be German in Australia, Turtle Historian claimed to be Korean in Australia, 素敵なカタチ claimed to be Japanese in America, "Crumpets & Muffins" suggested a UK connection); linguistics and etymology of terms; and removal of "entire well-sourced paragraphs".
From your experience with WCF, do you see any connection here, or does it strike you as just coincidence? If the former, I might need to circle back to the Kolossoni casepage and call for more explicit investigation of connections. Thanks in advance for any insights! Grandpallama ( talk) 16:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much for fixing my edits! Viriditas ( talk) 21:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Austronesier, I have been looking into East Timor lately, and have come up on the question of early population. I understand the traditional "wave" model varies base on what people count as a wave, for Timor it's something between 2-4. However, I am unsure whether that aligns with recent thinking. This paper seems to show 3 waves (Fig 8), but talks about a traditional two-wave model. Anyway, I was wondering if you were more aware of current thinking/current sources (especially on Timor), or perhaps whether it may be better to be vaguer when trying to summarise. Best, CMD ( talk) 03:05, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello there - regarding this edit of yours, firstly thanks(!) and secondly, do you remember where that discussion is you refer to in your edit summary? No problem if you can't find it. As I recall, there was general agreement amongst project members to trim variant languages back to just one (Indonesian). Multiple languages seem to be creeping back in.
I'd be interested in your thoughts - and the broader Indonesian project - in the inclusion of provisional mottoes. For me, they seem a bit meaningless...more like political slogans that actually tell us very little. But perhaps as a non-Indonesian, I'm missing something and they are important. Otherwise, I'd like to propose that they be removed from the infoboxes. (I often feel that people just squeeze as much stuff into infoboxes as they can with the result that a lot is irrelevant).
Incidentally, there were no less than 7 language variants in the Dutch East Indies article (including Tamil and Arabic - I'm sure readers found that very useful ha ha). I trimmed it back to Indonesian and Dutch. -- Merbabu ( talk) 23:15, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Merbabu: Talking about meritless bloat, you might be interested to see what's going on in Melanesia. My main task was to sucessfully remove the fringe POV of Maluku and Moluccans being considered part of Melanesia. Since this entailed the removal of useless repetitive country name dropping, it has caused offence with a LOUT-socking chauvinist SPA (who btw thinks I am Malaysian LOL). – Austronesier ( talk) 10:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
In case you don't have access, Ringe et al. don't seem to mention Corded Ware at all in their paper that uses the impressive sounding ( for the early 2000s, I guess) 'perfect phylogeny algorithm' and 'software' (the "In other words..." part looks like pure OR... scrap the lot, I say! 😁) Tewdar 18:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, you’re one of the editors who warned about lack of sources. See [ Special:Contributions/Zahamey]. ANI? They see, to have just ignored the warnings. Doug Weller talk 18:45, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
I have just posted this [5] on Talk:Austronesian peoples. I have done so with some trepidation, as I am repeatedly misinterpreted on this matter by Obsidian Soul, who then gets angry – mostly about things that I have not said.
I appreciate your attempt to calm things down. However, on the subject I have just posted on, there are unresolved issues on the understanding of the correct sourcing of a photo and its accurate captioning. These arise largely because there is no definitive source to confirm exactly what is in the picture. In many cases, I would just drop the matter. But the incorrect interpretation I initially made of the photo is the same that many with an interest in sailing rigs would make. That incorrect interpretation would leave the reader doubting the competence of the article. It would be avoided by a better caption.
I note, incidentally, that Lakana still has an error in it – I have previously removed one instance of the article saying the sail was a crab claw sail but on checking back on it now, I find the error repeated in a picture caption. I seem to get no acknowledgement (let alone credit) for correcting careless editing errors (yes, we all make them). Yet I am unable to make progress with something which is a more complex problem.
I have no idea on the solution to this matter. However, I do not feel it is helpful to the Wikipedia project to allow myself to be bullied into silence. I do not necessarily look to you to do or say anything. However, it seems courteous to you to give you this update.
Thank your for your patience in this matter. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 21:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Your talk page is like a sort of eastern european novel I havent got the grasp of yet,
I must say that I find any generalised notions/labels/tags of anything south east asian and indonesian leave me quite phased as to whether validity exists - there is a part of my universities library special collection where a deceased area specialist donated books from a whole industry of attempts at explaining places with book titles that are now very unfashionable... so to answer your question - nah give me a cave on the nullarbor anytime - may you long continue to reflect a buzzing and generous intellect that takes care of the detail - simply put - I dont like unqualified labels, even if they have been used by x. So what? cheers JarrahTree 02:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, judging by this user's edits e,g- [6] [7] (rv by uanfala), [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], they seem to be a POV pusher. Please do the needful. Courtesy pin Uanfala. Reg Fyl. - 117.201.119.26 ( talk) 12:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Have a look at [15], especially this POV - a "Northwestern Indo-Aryan", apart from the insertion of South Asia, which can also be seen here. Also see this, which has been reverted. - 117.201.114.183 ( talk) 12:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, User Austronesier
I hope you are doing well
I saw that you recently reverted by edits on
Urdu article, apparently the population of in the article was presented 30,000,000 meanwhile in
Muhajirs it is presented as 15,000,000 keep in mind that population of Urdu speakers in Pakistan is mere 7.5% and estimated 15,000,000 as someone from Pakistan i believe it is my duty to oblige and provide information, the two Pakistani news articles which i presented also showed the figure and I did what was based on
2017 census of Pakistan.
Thanks for understanding.
⭐️ Starkex ⭐️
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✍️ 18:30, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Sorry. I forgot to mention that that was theory. Tamil may or not be the mother of Dravidian languages. But the theory that Tamil may be the one. If there are any sources to dispute the claim, you're welcome to add them on the article rather removing the information. Thanks! Bobwikia ( talk) 17:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi Austronesier, what is the best way to deal with problematic IPs constantly inserting awkward wording, changing language names, and adding uncited claims, such as Special:Contributions/82.58.201.16? Lingnanhua ( talk) 20:34, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
is the reply to the project comments that you make, or perhaps the hindi acchaa...
keep the faith, and keep moving! I plan to be somewhere else in a few months, I must give you the details in an email... JarrahTree 09:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Austronesier,
I am uncertain of what you are referring to in this edit:
And no, "tongue" is not what we use in an encyclopedia unless when talking about the organ
Tongue means "language" in English, such as "mother tongue", "native tongue", "foreign tongue", and so on.
021120x ( talk) 16:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi. Hate to bug you, but you are much more experienced in language related articles than I am. Could you take a look at this article and let me know what you think. I can't get a machine translation of one of the sources, this one, and I do not think the other one is a reliable source. Onel5969 TT me 16:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Austronesier Sorry to break the bad news, but the reverting sockpuppet is back, under the name Signaler62. He must be blocked, again, for good. Fdom5997 ( talk) 00:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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Can I revert Oghuric languages to this? I can't see any reason not to. Volgabulgari ( talk) 13:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
😂 Tewdar 15:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Here’s an interesting take on the usual pro-Turkic pov pushing on Hunnish topics: [24] I’ve never heard anyone try to make a Lallwort cognate argument before- I suppose it will be onomatopoeia cognates next!— Ermenrich ( talk) 11:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. Hate to bug you, but would you mind taking a look at this article and give me your opinion on it? Onel5969 TT me 20:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Onel5969: another one has mushroomed up [25]. – Austronesier ( talk) 22:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Adequate sources are given to keep or potentially expand the content on Akshumite empire and the Amhara (a book from the Library of Congress archives and more). Could you please help closing the discussion? It seems going no where at this stage. Thank you. Petra0922 ( talk) 13:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi Austronesier yes I had a source but I didn't know how to add it to the edit page but the website is isuu.com/zigula. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 22:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello Austronesier! Since you seem to have some experience in Austronesian languages, could you perform the merge recommended at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poso Pesisir language? I suspect you will do a much better job than I. Gratefully, Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 10:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
What do you think of this one? I draftified it, hoping it would be improved, but it was simply returned to mainspace. Would like your take. Onel5969 TT me 12:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I've seen you active in linguistics topics before. I wonder what do you think of these edits [27] [28] [29]. A user has apparently went on a crusade to question the designation of Serbian, Croatian, Bosniak and Montenegrin as languages. There is a LOT of edits like this [30], and they're all based on ridiculous actions such as adding a citation needed template for Serbs in North Macedonia speaking Serbian. While I am aware that from a linguistic point of view these languages are basically the same, politics also plays sometimes an important role. This mass wave of edits looks to me as highly disruptive and I was seeking for some place to take this all to notice. The linguistics WikiProject talk page looks dead so I was thinking of straight up reporting this user to WP:ANI but I'd like a second opinion. Super Ψ Dro 09:35, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Akatziri. -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 12:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi, these [32] [33] look familiar ain't it? Wasn't there a sockfarm that POV pushed Urdu in all Hindustani related articles? Forgetting the name. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 13:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Is this helpful. I mean, I've read that the word means 'head man', but is it relevant here? - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 16:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
Looks like our friend is on a spree adding DIY diagrams in articles today. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 17:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Have a look at this change. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 16:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi Austronesier, are you aware of any study on the origin and spread of the culture of areca nut and betel leaf? I am, of course, interested in the chewing and the chewing style aspects of it, but I am more interested in the areca nut as a cultural object with possible symbolisms associated with it.
My interest is because areca nut chewing is very common among the Khasis who speak an Austroasiatic language. In Assam the nut is chewed after fermenting it---if you know that happen elsewhere, could you please let me know. But the raw nut when it is still green and sometimes attached to the bunch, are traditionally exchanged or gifted on special occasions (marriage, etc.) It is said that on such occasions, the areca nut symbolizes fertility.
I hope you can point me in the right direction. Thanks!
Chaipau ( talk) 13:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
You do know that Kuliak Songhai and Kunama arent spoken in Sudan or South Sudan and that they arent indigenous languages in Sudan right?. Kunama is spoken in Eritrea, Songhai is spoken in Mali, and Kuliak is spoken in Uganda multiple sources report this. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 21:30, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I already explained earlier that the Hadendowa are Muslim and follow Islam and no source is needed to prove it as it's well known that they practice Islam. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 19:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the warm welcome. I'm happy to help to the best of my capacity, but I can't say I enjoy going through these lengthy removal procedures...
BTW, you were right in this edit description I've just tracked down: [38]. If Saribu is Eiskrahablo, then so is Blackman Jr. since no one else seems to think that minor local languages are regulated by Indonesian bodies ( w:id:Bahasa Sula Baku + Natuna Malay). In fact, there's quite a few dubious (and suspiciously similar) language articles in the Indonesian Wikipedia, but I've never done anything. And since they're reproducing their stuff globally ( Q118173650), I think swift action needs to be taken. Would you be willing to assist me? Semmiii ( talk) 09:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi! I hope you don’t mind me asking this here. A while ago, my edit on Help:IPA/Albanian was reverted with the justification that it was not discussed. I made the edit after my changes on Albanian language#Phonology. According to this paper The Vowels of Standard Albanian, the IPA for ‘e’ is /e/ and not /ɛ/. I understand that there is occasional alternation, but it seems unexplainable to me that ‘e’ would be pronounced always or mostly as /ɛ/. Would you be able to find out more? I’m asking you because you seem knowledgeable about phonology and have shown interest in Albanian. If you can’t or don’t want to, that’s perfectly fine. Just ignore this message. Thank you in advance!
I'm copy-pasting this message to another user. Again, hope you don't mind:) FierakuiVërtet ( talk) 19:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Noting your edit summary [39], which touched on defining the subject of the article, I am wondering if you have any other solution for this encyclopedia explaining terminology that has varying definitions. Perhaps I am over-relaxed about Wikipedia doing that job, having rewritten large parts of Cutter (boat) and all of Yawl. Both these articles have multiple definitions of the subject of the article. There, as in Maritime southeast Asia, one of the reasons that an encyclopaedia user might refer to Wikipedia is that they are trying to work out what the term means. We do them no favours if we confidently provide just one definition.
I am, incidentally, persuaded by Bellwood confirming to me that he has never used the term "maritime southeast Asia". It really seems that is a term for after, say, 500CE, whilst those working BCE are firm users of "island southeast Asia". ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 23:13, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Island Southeast Asia (including the islands of the Philippines, insular Malaysia and the Indonesian archipelago)(the expecetd literal meaning),
Island Southeast Asia (including Malay Peninsula),
Island Southeast Asia, including modern Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Malaysia(the Bellwood definition, but unspecified "Malaysia" includes the Malay Peninsula). I haven't come across not a single source (except for a dubious web site) that talks about "Maritime Southeast Asia (including Taiwan)".
See this explanation. Cheers, Mathglot ( talk) 02:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Why did you refer to myself as a block evader, and go on to attack me as edit warring? I added material from legitimate and widely accepted academic sources. I contributed to the discussion on the talk page. Why should paleogenomic studies be omitted from the section about the origins of Afroasiatic? 50.100.222.203 ( talk) 18:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
How are you? You might want to look at the major changes to Ethnicity today. Not a subject I deal with much, but some clear problems. Doug Weller talk 12:57, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
You were guarded in your language, but [43] may be why a certain editor has perhaps inadvertently opened a can of worms with less guarded comments. I dropped a message on their talk page to try to help. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 18:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Hey, I wonder if you'd like to contribute here in case you missed it. IMO clearly problematic, but chances are you have more knowledge about the topic. Thanks in advance. Semmiii ( talk) 10:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello I would really appreciate it if you can also send a recent language estimate for number of speakers of Dongolawi and Midob. Thanks! Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 22:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Well any update did you find anything on Ethnologue for the updated figure for Dongolawi and Midob? Also do you know the updated number of Sudanese Arabic speakers both L1 and L2 speakers if there is any. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 18:18, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
39,100,000 in Sudan, all users. L1 users: 30,100,000 in Sudan (2017). L2 users: 9,000,000 (2019). Total users in all countries: 42,373,370 (as L1: 33,373,370; as L2: 9,000,000)
Not sure if you're at all tempted to continue responding to Zahida2013 over at Ancient Egyptian race controversy, but FYI they've already been confirmed as a sockmaster. Just waiting on an admin to make their way through the SPI backlog for the block to go through, so you might as well save yourself the time. Cheers, Generalrelative ( talk) 19:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello can you give me the population estimate of Nobiin speakers in Sudan just Sudan and also updated edition of Kenzi or Mattokki speakers thanks. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 18:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello I understand your busy and that you don't use Wikipedia that much. But I need the following figures from Ethnologue.
Bilen ethnic group and language new edition.
Number of Nobiin speakers in Sudan.
Number of Nara speakers in Eritrea new edition.
Number of Kenzi language speakers in Egypt.
Thank you have a great day. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 14:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
@ A455bcd9: Not sure if you're doing requests, but @Cookiemonster1618 needs from data from Ethnologue. Right now, it is hard for me to keep up with their pace of requests, maybe you (as a G.O.A.T. contributor to Ethnologue) can help me out and take turns in feeding them :) – Austronesier ( talk) 15:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
I took a look over there and, uh, yikes, that's the worst offender. I've tried cleaning up some of it today, but it's very much not up to Wiki standard. It's also got a pretty massive false balance issue. Warrenmck ( talk) 07:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, there's another user who removed the census information and estimate on the number of Acholi and added an unreliable source I have undid their edits but they keep reverting back. Please see the issue. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 17:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello there is a user who's name is Metaphysics34 can you please give them a warning to stop adding unsourced additions and vandalising articles. Cookiemonster1618 ( talk) 15:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I hope this is not canvassing. But a user is again on the Bamileke people page making what look to be POV-pushing and tendentious edits (including what look to be some questionable sources and elements of Synth/OR) to support a Nile Valley origin of the Bamikeke people. Could you take a look when you get the chance? (I'm not sure what the rules are regarding whether you are supposed to ping a user then you mention or refer to them - or whether that only applies to notice boards. If it is the former, I will add their name/handle and ping them.) Skllagyook ( talk) 12:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm afraid the edits of that editor are starting become more egregious and OR. They are now beginning to edit war at Ibrahim Njoya (using a tiny genetic component found in a study and not discussed at all in its text as evidence of some oral or genealogical tradition of Egyption origin). They will not listen to my summary notes explaining why this is OR. I'd really rather avoid reporting them. Skllagyook ( talk) 14:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Have you been watching all the changes going on at Low German? Do you have any opinion? It's hard to keep up with all the changes.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 16:02, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, What's weird is that when I did my edit here yesterday at the Malay phonology article, all's I ever remember is only adding the bracket mark within the Plosive/Affricate box. I do not remember editing the section describing the palatal affricate sounds (in Line 112) at all. I honestly don't know what happened, but as far as I know, maybe it could have been a conflicting edit or something, because I swear I did not edit that part. Fdom5997 ( talk) 19:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi Dear, This says - Our current phylogenetic understanding suggests that haplogroup O2a-M95 originated >12 kya in East/Southeast Asia and expanded more recently into South Asia (Fig. 1). The frequency distribution and coalescent pattern of various founders amongst Mundari groups clearly show that the migration of Austroasiatics to South Asia was much later than the origin of O2a-M95 (Fig. 1). The diverse founders as well as the large number of unclassified samples (41% for Mundari, 38% for Khasi and 1% for Tibeto-Burmans) suggest that the dispersal of Austroasiatic speakers to South Asia was not associated with the migration of a single clan or a drifted population. Neither does the contrasting distribution of various founders discovered in this study amongst both Mundari and Tibeto-Burman populations support the assimilation of the former to the latter.
Is it a good source for People of Assam#Peopling of Assam ? Northeast heritage ( talk) 15:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
1. According to the citation number 3, ɬ is just a phonetic used to represent the palatal lateral [ʎ] sound.
2. The ɬ that you think replace the Blust's *ñ aka Voiced palatal nasal ɲ and the *N aka Voiced palatal lateral approximant ʎ has a huge difference between the two. That's not how a recronstruction work.
3. The whole thing is a reconstruction. There is nothing to do with asterik
4. Compare Blust and Wolff tables and use the logic
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I was wondering if you had any opinion on Waruno Mahdi's theory on the pre-Austronesian populations of ISEA providing a fully functioning maritime technology that established westward trade connections out of the region prior to the arrival of Austronesian speakers. His arguments are based on linguistics, as well as taking in the movement of some plant (i.e. crop) species at early dates. Given the linguistic basis to the theory, it occurred to me that you might be able to give some guidance on (a) the robustness of what is proposed from a linguistics point of view and (b) the general reputation of Mahdi in the field of linguistics.
You will find Mahdi laying out his ideas in:
Looking at some reviews of the latter work, I see favourable comment on Mahdi's contribution at [47] and cannot find any unfavourable academic review.
To be clear, Mahdi's theory does not preclude further technological development by Austronesian speakers as they migrated across and out of ISEA. All I understand Mahdi to be saying is that their predecessors had a complete and functional package. As a personal view, without some miraculous archaeological discoveries, I doubt we could ever be sure who invented exactly which component of any of the technologies used.
Stepping away from linguistics and looking just at maritime prehistory, it seems obvious that ISEA must have had a functional maritime technology for as long as humans lived there. This is argued by, for instance: McGrail, Sean (2014). Early ships and seafaring : water transport beyond Europe. Barnsley: Pen and Sword Books Limited.
ISBN
9781473825598.
and even Horridge tentatively attributes, in a later paper, some technological advances to pre-Austronesian residents of the region.(" Probably this was not an Austronesian invention....
[48])
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References
Do you have an opinion on these changes?-- Ermenrich ( talk) 15:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
By the way, Srnec has found an interesting new review article from 2022 that I haven't skimmed through the whole way but that includes a statement of WP:RS/AC on "Germanic" on the first two pages. At the risk of re-starting the wars, I added them to the article.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 21:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Looks like this IP range from Atlanta is a nuisance. Showed up in one the articles I patrol today. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 19:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Following up on your false and misleading statement which you don't even have the decency to strike out when exposed, could you please answer these specific questions:
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does Santali actually have a synthetic declension? It seems that its speakers write the supposed suffixes separately. I found this document where the supposed suffixes are written as separate words except for the title of a magazine from the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century. Also, in this Santali article from the Santali Wikipedia the genitive marker "ᱨᱮᱭᱟᱜ" (reak', reag) appears only by its own in case that this is not another word, which I wouldn't presume as well due to its frequency. The only words that I found being written together nowadays so far are the genitives of the personal pronouns and the demonstrative pronouns. HeliosX ( talk) 21:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
You mentioned that Adelaar has never used "Batakic" but in Endangered Languages of Austronesia (2010) in page 24 seen here, Adelaar mentions in the first paragraph that "Batakic" as one of seven independent language groups in Sumatra and seems to use it interchangeably with "Batak". Does that not warrant for at least mentioning that Batakic is an alternate name for the Batak languages?
- Ultron90 ( talk) 13:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
are Santali word-final stops or stops before a morpheme pronounced like unreleased stops with a glottal stop or like voiceless ejective stops? HeliosX ( talk) 19:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi Austronesier, sorry for the very casual question, but I was wondering if you know (or know where to find) much about very local variations in Hokkien. We have for example our stub at Southern Peninsular Malaysian Hokkien, but local speakers have informed my for example that Malacca and Johor Bahru Hokkien is different too, which I cannot find any information on (all online discussion seems to be about the differences between Malacca/Singapore and Penang). Merry Christmas, CMD ( talk) 01:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
cultural organizations, but don't know if this is the best way to cover the concept. — kwami ( talk) 18:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I would like to tip that a user by the name of Widjono Wahyuni has been profusingly deleting citations regarding the Malaysian use of the kris, even though the citations are valid from resources like the Malaysian Foreign Ministry and Reuters. It is suspected that Widjono is warring on the basis of nationalism or nativism (overlapping with anti-Malaysia sentiment) as shown from inclination towards entries related to nationalistic imagery like it, Nusantara (term) et cetera. Oh, and his profile has nothing but the Indonesian flag and arms flexing emoji in it. You might need to look into that problem.
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I'm sorry for making those edits without understanding the policy. I know the policy now and won't make the same mistake again. Thank you for reverting them. Take care and happy new year! User:Uhhhum ( talk) 04:13, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Rather than personal attacks and wrong accusations as sock puppet (which 100% I am not) , I request you to be professional and productive. Standards or underlying sources. You clearly know what sources are saying on Saraiki. We all can work togather for linguistic topics, respect and politeness requested. LingoSouthAsia ( talk) 08:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi. Someone developed this with classification as a Papuan language, but specific claims were contradicted by the sources used. Anyway, thought it's possible you might know something about it. — kwami ( talk) 23:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Edit-warring again, trying to claim that the Finns were invented as the speakers of the Permo-Finnic languages rather than the other way around. — kwami ( talk) 09:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I noticed your response to a question on the Navajo language talk page, where you said you were looking for more recent sources about dialect variation. I found a paper that might interest you: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0271530911000346. I hope you find it useful! Abitowlish ( talk) 02:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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Why did you remove the footnotes? [62] No one objected to it in the talk page. Bogazicili ( talk) 08:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hello Austronesier! I just want to thank you for a lot of efforts on finding and reporting those sockpuppeteer, so here a barnstar for you :). Keep the good deeds on whipping out those silly troublemaker and I'm sorry that I can't help you a lot here as enwiki is the 'other realm' for me. Furthermore, I also give you these tasty inedible jpg's MalayINDONESIAAN!! cuisines.
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please do not unlink. I am in process to create main page for the same. please wait for couple of hours. Hope that helps?
Does Vofa's comment: "Do you think it would be fair if I kept the Bulgaric hypothesis part and kept the Oghuric part and to create a possibility of Bulgaric family which (in my opinion) is Chuvash and Mishar family,as their leaders have said over time that they are autohton peoples", sound like Volgabulgari-type edit/view? You reverted Volgabulgari on 23 April 2023 over similar comments. [64]
Volgabulgari was blocked as a sock of Kamista.-- Kansas Bear ( talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
The more I think I about it, the more I'm convinced that the Palembang article should be reserved for Palembang dialect only, with separate articles for both Musi proper and Musi cluster as a whole (esp. the latter). This way, it'd also clarify that Palembang isn't synonymous with Musi proper, though both of them do belong to the same Musi cluster (per Anderbeck & McDowell 2020).
My only concern would be the naming: the aforementioned publication uses "language" for the whole grouping, mentions a Palembang-Lowland cluster > Palembang subcluster with three dialects, and an Upper Musi cluster with Musi proper as one of its dialect (with three more subdialects). In id.wp they use "bahasa" for individually named lects (per common usage in Indonesian) and "rumpun bahasa" for the whole grouping (not the common usage, but useful for disambiguation purposes). Glottolog comes up with the usual -ic neologism ("Music") and includes two "languages" within it, since Col [liw] is still coded separately from the rest of the [mui] lects.
Say we're going to separate the articles for the cluster and the individual lects (at least for those meeting WP:N), should we use:
Or yet another format? — swarabakti💬 09:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Also pinging Hunan201p, though it looks like he has been inactive for a while. I recently opened a sockpuppet investigation here that now has another iteration here. In spending time combing through diffs of the Kolossoni socks and the IP range that is active at the current sock investigation, I realized that there are a number of similarities between the Kolossoni sockmaster and your old friend. I need your expert opinion, because the interest/behavior overlap seems pretty large, but there is a clear difference in English fluency and in some of the specific focus.
They tick a lot of the boxes from the habitual behavior section of the LTA page: obsession with East Asian genetics and culture--especially ancient origins (including specifically Genetic history of East Asians and Korean influence on Japanese culture); long-winded edit summaries; specific ethnic claims among the socks, or usernames that suggest a specific ethnic background (Kolossoni claimed to be German in Australia, Turtle Historian claimed to be Korean in Australia, 素敵なカタチ claimed to be Japanese in America, "Crumpets & Muffins" suggested a UK connection); linguistics and etymology of terms; and removal of "entire well-sourced paragraphs".
From your experience with WCF, do you see any connection here, or does it strike you as just coincidence? If the former, I might need to circle back to the Kolossoni casepage and call for more explicit investigation of connections. Thanks in advance for any insights! Grandpallama ( talk) 16:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much for fixing my edits! Viriditas ( talk) 21:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)