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Not a reliable source. You need a better one, which must exist. ( Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl) deisenbe ( talk) 21:30, 6 January 2020 (UTC) reply

I know, that's why I deleted a lot of stuff some other user had taken from there. I left the reference, but I didn't create the reference. Rsk6400 ( talk) 06:15, 7 January 2020 (UTC) reply

Just a note to thank you again and make a quick suggestion about bibliography and reference short citations rather than entering the whole title each time. The footnote is linked directly to the entry in the References section, and it produces correct form with no fuss. There is certainly no requirement to use it, however.

There are several ways to cite described in WP:CITESHORT or the main article Help: Shortened Footnotes.

You can see the system in many (but not all) notes in Hinduism or Franz Kafka.

Here are some examples.

For instance, in the Reference section the book is listed

• {{cite|last= Blight |first= David W. |title= Frederick Douglass: Prophet of Freedom |place= New York |publisher= Simon & Schuster |year= 2018|ref=harv}},

which produces

• Blight, David W. (2018), Frederick Douglass: Prophet of Freedom, New York: Simon & Schuster {{ citation}}: Invalid |ref=harv ( help)

A journal article is listed

• {{cite|first = Adam |last= Gopnik|authorlink = Adam Gopnik|title = American Prophet: The gifts of Frederick Douglass |journal = The New Yorker |url= https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-prophetic-pragmatism-of-frederick-douglass|date = 15 October 2018| pages = 76–82| ref= harv}}

This would produce:

• Gopnik, Adam (15 October 2018), "American Prophet: The gifts of Frederick Douglass", The New Yorker: 76–82 {{ citation}}: Invalid |ref=harv ( help)

Then to make a footnote reference, in the text insert

• {{sfnb|Blight|2018| p = 10}} or {{sfnb|Gopnik|2018| p = 76}}

which would produce

• ^[1] and ^[2]

The reference section would then be as follows, where you could click the link to get to the full listing (here the listing is above, but obviously in a real article it would be in the Readings section):

Cheers in any case! ch ( talk) 05:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your feedback! I will keep it in mind as I continue with my project. Let me know if you have any more as I go along! Sarahadkins001 ( talk) 22:47, 26 April 2020 (UTC) Sarahadkins001 reply

It's normally best to not close at the wire; generally discussions are left out for a bit longer and are not closed by the nominator. Just noting practice here. —  J947 ^[cont] 23:36, 28 April 2020 (UTC) reply

I had no intention of violating any rules, and so I read the rules given at the top of the page a hundred times before closing the discussion, and I'm pretty sure that I didn't violate any. If there are more rules, I think the top of the page is badly worded ("The discussion is open to the following rules" in my understanding means, "there are no other rules except what your mother told you about common sense, civilty and legal stuff"). Rsk6400 ( talk) 04:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Just letting you know that the rules aren't followed to the wire generally and that it's best to familarise yourself to VA as a whole before delving in closing discussions. —  J947 ^[cont] 05:49, 29 April 2020 (UTC) reply

I don't think "delving in closing discussions" is the right expression for what I did. I closed two discussions a short while after the minimum time had elapsed. But both discussions had been inactive for 7 or more days before I closed them. While in other cases a rule that the nominator should not close is explicitly given on the header of the discussion page, this is not so on VA. Having public rules AND secret rules is very confusing and maybe it is also a cause why there is so little activity at VA/level 5. Rsk6400 ( talk) 17:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Basically – the VA5 rules are temporary and the rules overall are outdated. If we have someone closing on the wire then it's harder to make important changes to the voting system, like complying with consensus, a fundamental guideline of the website. Just letting you know. —  J947 ^[cont] 20:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Sorry, but I'm really confused. At the beginning, I thought you were criticizing my action. Now I think, you are criticizing the rules (I understand you see a conflict between such rules as the 55% rule and the principle of consensus). But for some reason which I really don't understand, you are criticizing also me. I understood your term "close at the wire" to mean "just a few hours after the minimum time had elapsed". Was my understanding wrong (I'm German, not a native speaker of English) ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 06:25, 30 April 2020 (UTC) reply

You are correct on the term close at the wire. I'm not meaning to criticise you, rather to just give you a note. —  J947 ^[cont] 20:01, 30 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Dear user: Rsk6400 ! Why do you call the map outdated? The Caucasian , Mongoloid, Negroid and Australoid groups of races exist accoriding to the genetic distances of various ethnic groups based on autosomal genetic researches.-- Liltender ( talk) 17:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Please see my reply at Talk:Negroid#Map_from_the_Horniman_museum_is_correct Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:49, 9 May 2020 (UTC) reply

These will be your favourit article , you will like even its name. I suggest to read this article RACE AND GENETICS: /info/en/?search=Race_and_genetics — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liltender ( talk • contribs) 12:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

And of course not relevant to his claim, doesn't mention his 4 "races". Doug Weller talk 17:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

I deleted the paragraph that I had included in the "etymology" section and added Diop's book only as a reference, which enriches the article, without making it redundant.

Dealmeida87 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:15, 26 May 2020 (UTC) reply

It is important to add that the researcher referred to in the "etymology" section is Goldenberg, who disagrees with Ham's translation as "black, burnt or hot", while Diop defends this translation as correct, which brings a different perspective to the issue, further distancing it redundancy.

Dealmeida87 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC) reply

So the problem was not "redundancy", it was with the opinion of a black researcher on the subject, which you don't like. And you say you have an aversion to all forms of racism ... I don't even want to imagine what your posture would be if you were not averse to racism.

Dealmeida87 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Dealmeida87: I gave my reasons at Talk:Ham_(son_of_Noah)#Etymology. "Assume good faith" is one of Wikipedia's mottos. If you want to assume bad faith, you are free to do so, but it has a tendency to make communication more complicated. Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC) reply

See his talk page. And mine (look at the history, not the page directly). Doug Weller talk 17:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC) reply

[1] - NPOV language, the Nature sources doesn't seem to mention mongoloid, the original source saying he was mongoloid isn't there and I think is from the 60s. Doug Weller talk 09:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure whether I got you right. He doesn't claim the Nature source (you used plural ?) to talk about race. Nature mentions the genes like HERC2 which are connected to eye colour, but infering from it that the boy had blue eyes is what I understand to be OR (no person who is not a trained genetics expert can do that inference from the article, at least I can't).

The Japan Review article is based on the theory that a Mongoloid race really exists, so not "helpful" is correct. Rsk6400 ( talk) 10:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC) reply

I've given the IP a 3RR warning, if they revert again, leave it, go to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Hi, I'm curious. I have read through your various discussion threads and looked over your page, and I am wondering what this interest in race and racism is predicated upon. I notice you seem to see many things through this lens and I find it a bit disturbing that you insist so vehemently on characterizing other people, namely the subject, or their work as racist or, colonialist, or any number of pejoratives and epithets. If I knew you, I might say that you betray yourself. I really hope you will reconsider this posture. It is time to stop calling people and things racist. The only person who can declare someone or something a racist is that person himself -- and perhaps God. If they don't say "I'm a racist and so is my work," editors should not and cannot determine that for them. Perhaps you can pray on it. Best! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WirmerFlagge ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Are you familiar with the page Race and Intelligence, and these two recent discussions: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Race and intelligence (4th nomination), Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2020_February_12#Race_and_intelligence_(4th_nomination)? – Austronesier ( talk) 07:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC) reply

No, I'm not familiar with it, but I just took a short look at it. Flooding an article or a discussion has two effects: It gives the superficial reader the impression that a meaningful discussion is going on and it drives away well-intentioned editors. I'm currently trying to get some nonsense out of Mongoloid and Negroid, but I'm not sure if I'll have the nerves (time, energy) to touch Caucasoid. The corresponding articles at simple.wikipedia.org are full of Coon-stuff. Well, I try to keep calm and be civil when discussing with those people and to block the thought from my mind that some people can't breathe. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC) reply

The discussions around Race and Intelligence are accompanied by off-wiki canvassing in ultra-right fora, which makes things even worse. The dynamics were obvious with the delete discussion. Initially, regulars like me came in who were notified via intra-WP channels (including a post in the WikiProject Ethnic groups), and most voted for delete or at least massive cleanup of the pseudo-balanced presentation of the topic. After a few days, IPs and single-purpose accounts flooded in, to defend "unbiased and uncensored science", and equipped with sophism and quite high rhetoric skills.

Anyway, keep up the spirit, it is worth it. I'll try to contribute there too, with my limited knowledge of sources in those topics. – Austronesier ( talk) 16:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC) reply

James343e ( talk) 17:45, 13 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Another one (not a problematic page, but a problematic sock)

FYI [2], the do-it-yourself geneticist is not new here... – Austronesier ( talk) 13:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

My dumb, I've just seen your post. Facepalm – Austronesier ( talk) 14:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Addressing your reversion https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Japhetites&oldid=prev&diff=957965127, "while it is logical to place Irish with Celts, we don't know whether Isidore and Jerome followed that logic," isn't it a problem that there's no reference for any of the descriptions attributed to Isadore and Jerome? Jastighe ( talk) 20:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Jastighe: You are right, I just added "Citation needed". -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Rsk6400: Thanks. I should have done that in the first place—missed the forest for the trees. Jastighe ( talk) 18:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply

In light of us disagreeing about what to with Jacobs, I've started an RfC on the general practice of nationality vs ethnicity labeling the lead of biographies which you might want to participate in here: RfC on mentioning race or ethnicity in place of nationality in the first sentence of a Biography. - Indy beetle ( talk) 20:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC) reply

Hi,

looking at Talk:Sinodonty_and_Sundadonty#Mongoloid_dental_complex, I'm feeling this is not easy to "see" at a project level. Though the issue of scientific racism on this project is not as major an issue as some of the other Wikipedias we have examined, I'm thinking that this is at least worth a tracking category, or perhaps a tracking template. At least then one could see a backlog of issues, and the harder process of re-writing and re-sourcing is something that can be gradually improved with collegiate working, rather than a couple of individuals that are likely to gain increasing resistance if seen as lobbying or being politically correct with attempting to remove words that can be found in academic sources up until the end of the 20th century. Whatever might work here, should be easier to justify attempting or recommending for other projects.

Any thoughts? -- Fæ ( talk) 12:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Fæ: Excellent idea. I'd like to increase the visibility of the problem, so a tracking category like "Category:Articles with problems related to scientific racism" might not be the best solution. Could Template:Fringe_theories be used as a model for a new template "Template:Scientific_racism" ? A text might be something like "This article may contain content promoting Scientific racism, without giving appropriate weight to the scientific consensus on race issues. ..." I don't have enough experience to create such a template myself, and I'm not sure whether that could serve as the "tracking template" you suggested.

BTW: The AAPA declaration of 2019 which you brought to my attention has been very useful in many articles. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC) reply

Since raising, a couple of us interested in Wikimedia project SR issues in different languages who happen to be chatting in a user group zoom conference, have set up a Telegram group. Email me if you would like to join, though not expecting it to be a lively group apart from raising specific cases, so it may peter out.

A long time ago, before the multilanguage extensions to templates, I did a lot of template work both at en.wp and Commons, then even on meta. I'm very rusty but will look at the current policies to set something up. As it would not be a WikiProject, it could still fit within the scope of article talk page header templates. These may be justified on any talk page where there's an improvement discussion directly relevant, and could be used for both tracking categories and tracking reporting. Potentially it may relate to Arbcom categories, so if it looks appropriate I may quietly drop them an email.

I'll continue to be very slow on this as I'm trying to stay persistent by chipping away without burning out on it. Hearing about experiences in other languages, there's some extremely terrible projects that actively promote hatred against tribes/races and promote race myths, which have been complained about for a decade without the WMF ever stepping in, and with the support of local admins. As one may expect the problem is systemic, and one that the WMF does not want to act on directly, but could potentially be used to support some "official" research or analysis by an academically credible party. I also still have my Commons content projects which will take up most of my volunteer energy, which is a good thing, as SR could be a pretty gloomy rabbit-hole to fall down. -- Fæ ( talk) 09:40, 16 September 2020 (UTC) reply

Hello there. Somehow I knew this was going to happen. I can see that you've reverted by edit to the Racism article. I was actually trying to be really careful about what I did. I was troubled by the sentence that I moved/edited, because it seemed to give excessive prominance from one source by one writer in the introdcutory section. In fact, the sentence was almost exactly copied from the source. I could also see that the reference included the quote. What troubled me was that a casual reader wouldn't sense how the phrase "Racism is a relatively modern concept" is being said in the social science meaning, but rather than as a thing throughout human history. Then reading down the article to the Etymology section, I saw that a sentance about the usage of the term in modern times seemed a better place for this reference. (In passing, I also thought the introduction section was too long; I still do.) That's why I moved it, along with deleting that sentence. I almost deleted the quote in the reference as well, but I left it so people can read that if they want (so that description was still on the page). I thought about all of the above that quite hard and was very mindful of what I was trying to acheive. But deep down I had this sense that my edit would get reverted, probably due to the article subject matter. And indeed 18 minutes later, you reverted it. I've edited Wikipedia for many years and have the required level to edit this article, so I was praying that other editors would take my edit on good faith and maybe ask me about it first. I've grown a thick skin about this over time, but I just want to say that this type of reversion approach is the type of thing that puts newbie users off from editing Wikipedia. Why am I writing all this? I don't know. All the best. Seaweed ( talk) 11:12, 9 September 2020 (UTC) reply

Hello @ Seaweed: thank you for explaining. That was really helpful because I was a bit confused. Just yesterday I had declined an edit request on the article's talk page which wanted the very same sentence deleted. Reacting to that request, I looked at the source and copied more text from the source. Then I saw your edit, together with a summary which didn't mention the deletion of that sentence.

You are right in saying that the prominence of one source is a bit problematic. But on the other hand, I believe that the text is correct, and that even the understanding of a casual reader is correct: Racism in the sense that haunts the West since Columbus's days is different from older concepts. The Greeks, the Romans, the Europeans of the Middle Ages had ethnocentric schemes of "Us" against "Them", but as far as I know they had neither a division of humankind into a relatively small number (something between three and ten) of "races", but they listed all the peoples or tribes (or in case of the Middle Ages, religions) they knew. They had a notion of enemy peoples but no notion of inferior or superior peoples. The Spanish 16th century discussions on whether Africans or Americans were real human beings have no parallel in the preceding centuries. And I think it is important to remember that racism is not just something that comes with our human nature, but that is was incited by economical interests. At least this is what I remember having read in Ibram X. Kendi's Stamped from the Beginning. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:39, 9 September 2020 (UTC) reply

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Hi Rsk6400! I have seen your last edit [3] in Caucasian race, which made me curious about what the sources actually are telling us about, beyond from serving as "proof" that "some anthropologists" assumedly still use term "race". I noticed that some of the sources actually quite critically discuss the fact that some forensic anthropologists at least until 2010 still clinged to race-based terminology, quite unlike in general physical anthropology, where racial categorizations have long fallen out of use. Out-of-context quotes makes these sources appear dubious, although they aren't. In a way, these sources have been misused to prove a point (which won't come as a surprise to you I'm sure). A good example is this one:

• Sue Black; Eilidh Ferguson (19 April 2016). Forensic Anthropology: 2000 to 2010. CRC Press. pp. 126–127. ISBN  978-1-4398-4589-9. Semantically speaking, the term race appears to pertain to the individual and has largely been succeeded in physical anthropology by the more impersonal term ancestry. The distinction between these terms is considered to be important. Race may be regarded as a "socially constructed mechanism for self identification and group membership" and so biologically meaningless, whereas ancestry is a "scientifically derived descriptor of the biological component of population variation" (Konigsberg et al. 2009: 77–78). So, why do the rather politically sensitive terms Caucasoid, Mongoloid, or Negroid still appear in published literature (Ousley et al. 2009)? There are considered to be four basic ancestry groups into which an individual can be placed by physical appearance, not accounting for admixture: the sub-Saharan African group ("Negroid"), the European group ("Caucasoid"), the Central Asian group ("Mongoloid"), and the Australasian group ("Australoid"). The rather outdated names of all but one of these groups were originally derived from geography: The Caucasoid group traversed the Caucasus Mountains as they spread into Europe and eastern Asia. Since the majority of native peoples from the Indian subcontinent, northern and northeastern Africa and the Near East fall into this group, to say that the group is of "European" ancestry does not really suffice. Plus, the terms Caucasoid or Caucasian do not have the same oppressive, persecutory connotations as the other terms and so are less likely to cause offense.

The paper is fully visible in Google Books (at least for me), and it essentially says that race categories are not only untenable from a biological viewpoint, but also of no practical value in forensics. So some of these sources are actually very valuable for the history of race concepts (including their rejection in every field of science), and may be reused in this context (maybe in Scientific racism?). – Austronesier ( talk) 15:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Austronesier: Thanks a lot. I had been looking for such a source for some time, because all other critical sources on the use of "Negroid" and the like in forensics which I knew of are about a decade older. Since those terms disappeared from anthropological textbooks during the 1990s (as far as I know), to me it seems quite likely that they survived in forensics some ten years longer. I came upon the claim that those terms are still in use in various articles (e.g. Mongoloid) in various languages - repetition is the way some editors make their wishful thinking appear quite credible. I sometimes wish I'd have time to do some creative editing, but instead I find myself deleting racist nonsense most of the time. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 19:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC) reply

It looks like your report of the IP is botched somehow [4]. – Austronesier ( talk) 13:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Austronesier: Thank you. I saw it, but was lacking time and motivation to look into it, hoping in vain they'd stop. Now it's there, Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:94.54.255.43_reported_by_User:Rsk6400_(Result:_). BTW: I liked the word "thrice" you used in one of your edit summaries - the only other person to use that word that I know of was Tolkien ;-) -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Come to think of it, I use it almost as frequently as hitherto :) – Austronesier ( talk) 14:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC) reply

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Hi Rsk6400! It looks like Roberto Sandrocko has stolen your name. Strangely enough, that account pretty much displays (or imitates?) the typical behavior of a very notorious long-term abuse sockmaster. I'll get in touch per mail with Doug Weller to look into it. – Austronesier ( talk) 18:20, 5 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Austronesier: Thanks for the information and for getting in touch with Doug Weller. Indeed, very strange. I don't know anything about him (presuming Roberto to be a male name). -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Doug Weller talk 15:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC) reply

FYI: It is indeed a sock of WorldCreaterFighter. Finally confirmed and blocked: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter/Archive#26_December_2021. Und ich wünsche Dir, auch wenns ein wenig spät kommt, ein gesegnetes Weihnachtsfest! – Austronesier ( talk) 10:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Austronesier: Thanks for the information. That also sheds a new light on who the IP editor from Vienna might have been who pointed me to Xiongnu. Danke für die Weihnachtswünsche und Dir ein gutes Neues Jahr 2022 (man darf ja träumen: ein Jahr ohne Vandalen, Rassisten und Viren ! - dreaming of a year with no vandals, no racists, and no viruses). -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello RSK6400, please take a look at Ancient North Eurasians. The user Barracuda is again vandalizing. The specific picture is WP:OR and WP:Synth. It seems he has a kind of nationalist feelings towards ANE and Europeans. - 81.10.217.91 ( talk) 04:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC) reply

It seems that the whole article and the ANE concept is used by white nationalist and racialist to claim dominance in Eurasia. After Barracudas clearly biased editing ( Account on Mission), as he nearly exclusively edits this article, he may be linked to these kind of group. See ^[1] - 81.10.217.91 ( talk) 05:14, 11 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Thank you. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:11, 12 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Hi. I consider that curious WP users are best served by offering them a maximum of concise info on all related topics. A "see also" item can lead to the user doing further research, and to editors expanding the article itself. If a "see also" item is both related to the topic and supported by facts, I see its removal as counterproductive and going against the raison d'être of WP. Personally, I also believe it to be less than a recommendation for the editor who does it, as an additional "see also" item has no noticeable downside, unless there are too many of them and become a burden; removing one for strictly subjective reasons, also without going to the talk-page, looks like a whim, and that's neither smart, nor civil, nor helpful for the WP project. In this case, the topic is more than well-documented, even if not so much yet on English WP. I actually don't have the time to expand on it myself, but I see myself forced to do it because I don't want to get into silly edit wars with you. I'm less than happy about it. You're relatively new on WP, so please, when you do controversial moves like removing somebody else's edits without very good and objective reasons, do think beyond the first urge, because this does have repercussions in the real world, it's not something abstract. Have a nice day, Arminden ( talk) 14:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC) Sorry, you're not new. I took the belated welcome cookie from October 2019 to mean that you're fresh in this field. All the more so, I'm sure now that you know what I'm talking about. My reflex, when I'm seeing something similar, is to dig further, i.e. to do some research, educate myself, and if I have the time, to add to the relevant article(s). It's always been appreciated. Removing other people's legit additions, on the other hand, never was. Arminden ( talk) 14:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Arminden: Thanks a lot for explaining. I'd like to suggest the solution which you may have already seen at Male menstruation. Of course, it's too short, but I hope that it can serve at least as a beginning. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:50, 12 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Rsk6400, thank you very much for the swift reply and the edit. Sorry if I had too harsh a tone. Yes, of course, that's a great solution. I'm happy to see the result, will try to add a few sources I've found in a quick google search. Have a great day, Arminden ( talk) 16:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Hi Rsk6400, regarding the recent edits at the African-American page, I was reverting an editor that had been changing links in unnecessary ways on a few articles, mainly changing links from colonial times to post-revolution ones, but I don't watch this page closely. I got 16th century and 1600s a little mixed up, too (I promise I don't usually do that :).) I won't revert back or get too involved with the talk page, if the info looks like it fits with the article, then I have no issues. Happy editing! AnandaBliss ( talk) 19:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC) reply

In the past 2 days you have been reverting my edits on slavery-related articles. First of all, I have went ahead and created the article Indian Ocean slave trade, since you mentioned you did not want redirects to the Indian Ocean trade. Second of all, you said in the revision history for the Slavery in Africa that "Subsequent changes of "Arab slave trade" to "trans-Saharan / Indian Ocean slave trade" should be discussed on the talk page of Arab slave trade", someone already created a section on that topic, but with no reply. The same person created a discussion on a different page that you can read here. In my opinion it is best for "Arab slave trade" to be split up to into "Trans-Saharan slave trade" and "Indian Ocean slave trade". If you changed your mind on the subject then I will bring back my old edits, after fixing any mistakes. I will also later be going to expand the article Trans-Saharan slave trade. Ibrahim5361 ( talk) 18:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Ibrahim5361: Thanks for discussing. There are two different problems: (1) I reverted many of your edits because links to articles should not confuse the user. If a user clicks on "East African slave trade" and then arrives at "Indian Ocean trade", they will be confused. The same applies if they click on " Trans-Saharan slave trade" and then see that there is nothing about the period they were looking for. You seem to have already solved the problem at "Indian Ocean", thanks for that. But still, the next problem remains: (2) If you think that "Arab slave trade" should be split up, you can start a discussion there with a heading explicitly stating that you want to split it up. You can also invite that other user to take part in it, using "Ping" and some words like "I saw your comment above, what do you think". The decision whether to split or not should be based on the usage in WP:RS, and that has to be looked into. I didn't make up my mind yet, but I see that there are two archives connected to the talk page, and I know that the subject of slavery is highly emotional with editors having different emotions depending on their Arab, European or African backgronds. Wikipedia is committed to NPOV and RS, so we absolutely have to use the terminology of modern historical scholarship. And before making changes to the whole system of links in related articles, please try to establish consensus among the editors. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 10:49, 18 December 2020 (UTC) reply

I went through the article Arab slave trade several times over looking for text to move to Indian Ocean slave trade or to trans-Saharan slave trade, the rest of the Arab slave trade article could be move to some other page like Barbary slave trade or History of slavery in the Muslim world. It also seems that everyone who replied to my talk page at the Arab slave trade agreed to the re-organization, I am not sure if there are any other regular editors. Now I am just waiting for your green light so I can bring back my old edits. Ibrahim5361 ( talk) 10:43, 26 December 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Ibrahim5361: First, congratulations: Your idea really seems to be an improvement to WP. Still, I think the article Arab slave trade should be split up first, that means really removing the content from there (with an edit summary like "Moved content to Indian Ocean slave trade, see Talk") and then inserting it in the target article with an edit summary containing the correct attribution. The consensus - as far as we can see now - is that Arab slave trade should be reduced to a disambiguation page. I personally think it should link to all four of the articles you mentioned above (Indian, trans-Saharan, Barbary, History). After that, I will have no further objections to your "old edits", but I think first things (splitting up the article) should be done first. Happy editing. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:54, 27 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Hello, Rsk6400,

The nation of France did not ban slavery until 1794, after Vermont, Denmark, and several states in the Northern US had already done so. France then reinstituted slavery in 1802. The source very clearly acknowledges word-for-word that Vermont was the first sovereign state to abolish slavery. 021120x ( talk) 12:15, 27 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Hi Rsk6400,

I think "Comperative mythology" section at "Ancient North Eurasian" is way too speculative and is full of weak assumptions and synthesis. Objective truth is that there is literally no factual evidence to suggest that all those myths (from South America to the Siberia and even the Middle East) are from the Ancient North Eurasians. The problematic section is the broadest section of the whole page and this needs cleanup.

46.221.72.83 ( talk) 06:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC) reply

Mess whit genetics and races and poems not maps please.when you have been reverted take it to the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:6759:FB01:8030:CCB3:7AB9:9D5E ( talk) 09:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC) reply

I would suggest that when voicing your displeasure with edits or changes to the above mentioned topic, you attempt to write your complaint in a more grammatically correct way so that users will not have to decipher what you are saying. Especially when the topic you are talking about revolves around someone not editing a page to your liking.

Instead of the barely comprehendible suggestion/complaint where you wrote: "Mess whit genetics and races and poems not maps please.when you have been reverted take it to the talk page."

I believe, if I interpreted it correctly, you meant to say, in a more coherent/intelligent way:

To whom it may concern, can I suggest that you not edit or change maps until the change is discussed in the "Talk" section first please? I do not mind if a user edits sections on genetics, race or poems but, if an edit is reverted, discuss the edit in the "Talk" section before proceeding with your edit again. Thank you for your time. Intelligently & sincerely, Mr./Ms. 2001:8A0:6759:FB01: 8030:CCB3:7AB9:9D5E Esq. Jandg4206 ( talk) 09:28, 27 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello! You said: "Coon is not a reliable source, because he is outdated", but i edited the section about Coon, so it is the most reliable source. "The third "Keltic" or "Hallstatt" type Coon takes to have emerged in the European Iron Age, in Central Europe, where it was subsequently mostly replaced, but "found a refuge in Sweden and in the eastern valleys of southern Norway." - this is a description of the Osterdal (or Hallstatt) type. The Keltic type is the most common in Britain, for example. It is not found in Scandinavia. You can read it here: https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VIII6.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergeiprivet ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC) reply

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VIII6.htm - it is from Coon's book, no changes. I just wanted to correct a mistake in the Nordic Race article. If you don't trust me, you can do it yourself.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/racesofeurope.htm - entire book — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergeiprivet ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 8 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi Rsk6400, Just FYI this editor is also arguing that Coon is a reliable source on my talk page. I believe that I've answered them satisfactorily there. Generalrelative ( talk) 19:01, 8 January 2021 (UTC) reply

No, you didn't say why a person can't correct a mistake in an article about the Nordic race. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergeiprivet ( talk • contribs) 21:54, 8 January 2021 (UTC) reply

With apologies to Rsk6400 for hijacking your talk page, I now see what Sergeiprivet is saying. I took a look at this (repugnant) book and see that Coon was indeed drawing a distinction between supposed "Keltic" and "Halstatt" types, rather than conflating them. I've edited the article to reflect this. Generalrelative ( talk) 22:20, 8 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Generalrelative: Thanks for "hijacking" my talk page ;-), thanks for your diligent work. I like the result. Our readers have a right to correct information about a theory that was once influential, but they also have the right to know that it is pseudo-scientific. I always wonder why so many people think that a book written more than 80 years ago can be of any use in understanding today's reality. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Coon is the most intelligent anthropologist I've ever read. He is not a racist, unlike Hans Gunther. I'm surprised you hate him so much. @ Generalrelative: Thank you for understanding me, although my change of this article was more correct, because now the Keltic type is not mentioned)

@ Rsk6400: I completely agree re. the appropriate way of handling Coon. But I'd say the problem is not so much the age of the work –– even within the field of anthropology Zora Neale Hurston's book Tell My Horse is still worth reading despite having been published in 1938. In my personal opinion it has more to do with the psychological appeal of racialism, which I think accounts for both why people cling to authors like Coon and why these authors made such bad methodological choices in the first place. We live in a world where racial typologies loom large, not just in our politics but in our fantasies too, e.g. Lord of the Rings with its elves and orcs and their inherent traits (I wouldn't be the first to find in that fantasy a troubling reflection of the European racial imaginary), so it's very tempting to view these types as natural kinds. Anyway, just my 2¢. Generalrelative ( talk) 17:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Generalrelative: Immediately after I wrote it, I started doubting my own statement regarding the age of the work. Even old Thucydides is still helpful to understand some aspects of modern politics. What I wanted to say was: I wonder why some people prefer an old book over modern consensus. I agree with you, but I want to add some aspects to your remarks about Tolkien: All humans are one race, even an elf can become a dwarf's friend, although those two races normally don't like each other, and the greatest hero is a hobbit, belonging to a race normally despised by humans. But this might be a fan's POV ;-) -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:03, 10 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Good points. Tolkien certainly had some progressive things to say about prejudice and such, alongside implicitly conveying a lot of ideas about race that were really just paradigmatic at the time. A rather subtle example: there's a line at the very end, after the "scouring of the Shire", where it says something like "and that year there were an inordinate number of babies born with blue eyes" as a way of conveying that the Shire had been sort of magically blessed. And of course while all men are of a single "race" in this world, the elephant riders of the east and the Corsairs (a term originally used to refer exclusively to the pirates of the Barbary Coast) naturally ally with Sauron. Anyway, just wanted to offer these additional observations because it's fun to chat about. Thucydides is indeed still an amazing resource. Generalrelative ( talk) 18:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello, can you please explain why you have reverted my addition to the Lynching article, advising caution to a disturbing photo? Best regards Ertly ( talk) 08:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Ertly: Your concern about that picture (and / or others on the page) is shared by at least one other account and one IP (edit comments on 2 January). There is a recent discussion at Talk:Lynching#Should we take the photos down?, where I and another user pointed out the relevant guidelines, especially WP:NODISCLAIMERS. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Rsk6400: Thank you very much for the explanation... Ertly ( talk) 18:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello. I brought those pictures from the same article in Wikipedia French and I tried to put them in appropriate sections. I appreciate if you could tell me what I have done wrong, Thank you. Alex-h ( talk) 14:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Alex-h: I didn't see that fr:Antiesclavagisme aux États-Unis had the same pictures. That's why I thought you made a bad joke. Still, a picture showing a demonstration against "child slavery" (whatever that meant at a time when slavery had been abolished) in 1909 is not a good illustration for a section describing the 1830s. The same applies to the other two pictures which I removed (the colonization picture was in the correct section of the French article). If French WP has an obvious error, we should not copy that error to English WP. Thanks to your hint, I was also able to correct the French article. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:07, 30 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Rsk6400, Thank you for your advice Alex-h ( talk) 11:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC) reply

I'm hoping for you to participate at Talk:Mal'ta–Buret' culture. I know you have good intentions but my edits are trying to give the entire context of what the paper is saying rather than putting in a finding that contradicts previous papers and nothing else. 50.92.71.79 ( talk) 10:41, 10 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Wow. In my years on Wikipedia I have had a few disagreements with other editors. However, this is the first time anybody has dared to revert a talk page entry.

It is perfectly reasonable to suggest that the term African Americans is vague, and that deserves to be elaborated upon. You may disagree, that is fine. But to suppress a view that you disagree with is obnoxious, and has no place in Wikipedia. Tuntable ( talk) 09:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC) reply

WP is based on WP:RS, not on jokes among colleagues. Please read WP:NOTFORUM and WP:TALKOFFTOPIC. If you think that the general usage of the term in English language is not correct, you might consider writing an e-mail to the editors of relevant dictionaries. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 09:59, 18 February 2021 (UTC) reply

It is nice to conversate 'Rsk6400.' You mentioned in my last edit the following: who is regarded as "Black" in a modern classification. Well, that is a very good question. Nobody really knows. What we do know is that the Ancient Egyptians frequently allowed the Medjay, a Cushitic group, into their armed forces during the conquests of Asia. If you don't think they're black, then check out the A-Group people, who had the closest significant genetic and archaeological connection to the Naqada Egyptians. Maybe Ramses III, whose genetic connection (Haplo E1b1a1-M2) is shared most amongst Sub Saharan Africans. If HE isn't black, see out the Kushites of the 25th Dynasty, who conquered the Nile Valley from present-day Khartoum to Sinai and (temporarily) eradicated the Assyrian threat in the Near East. Well, IF they aren't black then maybe the Meroeites, who were ruled by women queens and saved their empire from European domination, and later expanded into Upper Egypt before the Axumite invasion around 350 that ended the kingdom. Based on ALL this evidence. It is the most reasonable opinion that the Ancient Egyptians made up of heterogeneous mixtures of Near Eastern/Black African agriculturalists and pastoralists, with the Near Eastern dominating at times, and the latter at others. This is the most supported opinion on Ancient Egyptians in academia. So please, as a white person, I am tired of Afrocentrists and Eurocentrists playing out endless mind games to support their personal insecurities and prejudices. I put anthropological studies to men (or women) of low insecurity and prejudice, so I hope for you to maintain moral integrity — Preceding unsigned comment added by LARRYkimani25 ( talk • contribs) 19:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello 'Rsk6400,' I am wondering if you read past the first page of the PDF. It literally states in the introduction (page 5),

For Egypt in particular, the authors display Egyptian tomb paintings depicting personalities with various skin hues and physiognomies. Additionally, the book referred to ancient texts like the Great Hymn of Aten that speak of differences in human beings ,and inscriptions for example, a stele of the Twelfth Dynasty Pharaoh Sesostris III, containing derogatory attributes of a neighboring people.3

The authors

concluded that “Clearly the Land of the Nile distinguished among broad racial categories, characterized their behavior (however accurately or inaccurately), and even based social policy on those classifications respectively.”

There were many more references in the PDF to the vast array of features found in ancient Egypt if you bothered to read/elaborate on my source. However, I will agree to provide a source that the Toubou, Kanuri/Kanembu, and Zaghawa, are, in fact, alive, and living in the Sahara right now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LARRYkimani25 ( talk • contribs) 20:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Well, let's go by the definitions of racial dictators, which Racial formation theory argues created the modern meaning of "race" today. To them, to be "black" is the One-drop rule, or any trace of African ancestry means one is black. To that end, I would argue that most scientists agree that modern humans today descended from Lucy (Australopithecus) and originated from regions in Africa in present-day Ethiopia and Somalia, so everyone is technically "black", according to the original creators of race. Mind you, you cannot go to Africa today and get along with somebody on an ethnic, linguistic, or religious level by simply stating "I'm Black." Why? Because this is an arbitrary term with no objectively correct answer. 172.124.156.38 ( talk) 22:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC) S. reply

FYI

Best. -- Boynamedsue ( talk) 08:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello. Why'd you delete this one tho ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18392218/). Isn't it considered a reliable source? It is the National Library of Medicine. Thanks in advance! Holloman123 ( talk)

@ Holloman123: It is considered a reliable source, but in this context it is a primary source, see WP:PSTS for an explanation of that problem. In short: The source only proves that one scholar used the expression "Father of Medicine". To prove that it is "often" used, you'd have to add thousands of primary sources. That's why a tertiary source (like the Britannica one you added) is preferable here. Also: The statement that Hippocrates is called thus is not very controversial, so one or two references are sufficient.

Might I ask you to use edit summaries ? It makes life easier for other editors.

It looked like you were having problems with the signature. Just write ~~~~ (four times ~) and your signature will be there. Hope my explanations were helpful, if not, feel free to continue the discussion or to ask more questions. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 12:58, 30 March 2021 (UTC) reply

We cannot have any one editor's bias be the deciding factor for which people are considered to be of Middle Eastern. A somewhat obscure page is the wrong place for a debate about who is of Middle Eastern ethnicity and who is not. Instead, the Middle East page has long standing consensus about which ethnicities are considered native to the Middle East.

This should be the basis for the inclusion criteria for any list about people of Middle Eastern ethnicities.

And if you have any disagreements about who you think is Middle Eastern, you should take it there and try to get the consensus overturned.

Please weigh in on the [ "Middle_Eastern_Superhero"?|talk page] and either give your thumbs up for support, or if you object explain why.

-- Bob drobbs ( talk) 18:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Sorry, I sure have thanked you but got a technical error so I repeated it many times, my computer is a bit stiff, I am fixing it, hope you ignore it, thanks German people ( talk) 14:04, 3 April 2021 (UTC) reply

@ German people: No problem. Better to thank me than to shout at me. ;-) -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:31, 3 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Do NOT remove POV tags solely because _you_ believe something is a fringe theory. And your premise in the Fringe Theory notice board was 100% flawed. These tags need to remain until the issue is resolve and it was absolutely not.

The POV tag MUST remain until the issue is resolved and that means there is agreement on non-biased inclusion criteria.

-- Bob drobbs ( talk) 14:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC) reply

If somebody wants to get some background information on the above comment, please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1063#User:Bob_drobbs_flooding_discussions. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi. I've noticed you've reverted my addition to the slave catcher article. I wanted to let you know that I plan on doing some major copyediting and minor additions to the article, keeping in mind my limited free time. With that in mind, I was wondering whether or not you would be interested in working on the article together or if you are too busy or uninterested. Irregardless, I thought I should let you know. Adios, Tubesleveret15 ( talk) 05:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Tubesleveret15: Thanks for not resenting the revert and the notice on edit summaries I dropped you. I'm a teacher, so sometimes I have the bad habit of wanting to correct each and every one. Well, Slave catcher surely needs a brush up. That paragraph we were working on starts with the Caribbean and then jumps into 19th century U.S. - it's a mess. But sorry, each morning I look at my watchlist of race-related or slavery-related articles and see there's enough work for the day. If you have any questions, I'll gladly try my best to help out. One more idea: As soon as you will have 500 edits and 6 months of editing here, you can checkout https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/ to get access to information pools like JSTOR. Happy editing. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Rsk6400: Hi, me again. I've made some (admittedly very amateur) copyedits to the article, if you're interested in looking at it now. Thank you for the friendly advice, it is very much appreciated :). If you feel the need to contact me for any reason please let me know. Warmest regards, Tubesleveret15 ( talk) 07:15, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi Rsk6400, just wondering if you have any thoughts about how to deal with persistent edit warring from Seguro64. They've now violated 3RR at Monogenism and removed our warnings on their talk page. I'd prefer not to bring the matter to AN3 –– partly because it can invite drama and partly because of frequent inaction there due to backlog (which could be taken as implicit endorsement of this behavior) –– so I'm wondering if you have any other ideas. Thanks for your diligence across a wide variety of articles. Generalrelative ( talk) 21:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Generalrelative: thanks for your remarks about my "diligence", and thanks for your diligence. WP is a bit frustrating when it comes to spending most of one's time dealing with questionable edits. I fear you are right about not taking it to AN3 now and I don't have a better idea than the one you already put into practice when you pinged the admins. You may already have seen the result at User_talk:El_C#Seguro64,_George_Floyd which is not very encouraging. I don't see what we can do except wait until they get themselves into trouble which happens to many troublesome editors after some time. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

That makes sense. Wise words. Thanks for linking me to that discussion. Best, Generalrelative ( talk) 16:57, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Just in case you are caught totally off guard by this user's sockpuppet investigation request alleging that you and I are the same person, it comes on the heels of my own request which resulted from a bit of digging I did into a suspicious SPA at Talk:George Floyd. I am sincerely sorry that you are now further involved in this silly drama. Hopefully it can be brought to a swift and decisive conclusion. Generalrelative ( talk) 02:57, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Generalrelative: No need to be sorry. Better to share this experience with an editor I can respect than with a disruptive one. ;-) As far as I can see, the people at sockpuppet investigations are quite reasonable humans, so I'm not nervous about this. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

That SPI was an excellent idea ! When I looked into it, I saw your wonderful comment at Talk:George Floyd: The point of WP:AVOIDVICTIM is that Wikipedia is guided by, among other things, a shared interest in basic humanity. Maybe they mistook us for one person because we both share that interest. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 09:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Ha, maybe :) Glad to see that these were resolved quickly. Thanks for the encouraging words. See you around, Generalrelative ( talk) 15:42, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

[5] Shame the cranks that wrote this hugely opposed garbage control pages. Nuclear Milkman ( talk) 14:52, 28 April 2021 (UTC) reply

In case somebody should wonder about this: Nuclear Milkman was blocked shortly after. I like and endorse WP:NONAZIS. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 06:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi, me again. I've noticed you've created a Racism against Black Americans article, which looks excellent. That being said, I was planning to do some light copyediting throughout the article. If you see anything you feel is unconstructive, feel free to revert. I thought I should let you know since you've been cooperative before in order to avoid any confusion. Normally I wouldn't bother you with a talk page message for a matter like, but you did create this article, so it felt like a different circumstance to me. Regards, Tubesleveret15 ( talk) 22:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Also, have you considered changing the article to "Racism against African Americans"? I'm not opposing your usage of the term "Black Americans", but am merely curious as to which term you feel is more appropriate and why, if that's not too intrusive. Tubesleveret15 ( talk) 22:11, 7 May 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Tubesleveret15: Thank you for contacting me. Actually, I didn't really create the article, I only copied part of the extremely long Racism in the United States, following the discussion on Talk:Racism in the United States#Shortening the article. Feel free to improve. "Racism against African Americans" was my first idea, but since there are Blacks that identify as " Tanzanian Americans" or " Jamaican Americans" and face the same problems just because of the colour of their skin, I think that "Black Americans" is the better term. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC) reply

BLM might have technically started after George Zimmerman case but was only a Facebook hashtag. Things really didn’t start for the movement until 2014 during the Michael brown protest. So yes technically you can have BLM starting at that time but it’s more like # Black Lives Matter Regards. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alicia-garza-on-the-origin-of-black-lives-matter/#app Robjwev ( talk) 11:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Robjwev: I'm sorry, I don't understand you. The very source you cited above supports the claim which you removed twice from Racism against Black Americans. Additionally, I don't understand why you produce things like "led to widespread unrest in the town. leading to the creation of the Black Lives Matter movement", "in August 1619, The colonist sold food", or "privateers ships". -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC) reply

If you looked at the time line I reverted your edit before posting this on the talk page. No editor is above the WP:Source mandate I will allow you time to add a source before (this one if you chose) before deleting it again. I would add the source myself but for some reason I haven’t figured out yet you undo any changes I make even if it’s sourced properly. FYI The colonists did exchange food and supplies for slaves this is well documented yet you deleted that important information. (that’s a conversation for that page not this one) I would be happy to provide you a reference for BLM if you want me to but one is needed. Robjwev ( talk) 14:55, 30 June 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Rsk6400: Seriously, I thought by going back and undoing the changes you might have gotten my point. You have to understand that the "transatlantic slave trade" is a very sensitive and critical topic. Most times people tend to only view the few descriptive paragraphs of a certain topic on Wikipedia, so information presented in those paragraphs should be very clear. The information contained there now - as edited by you - is not correct. Let me just point out some of the flaws:

1. This statement, "...who had been sold by other West Africans, or by half-European 'merchant princes' to Western European slave traders (with a small number being captured directly by the slave traders in coastal raids)" is childish and glossed-up. To be honest, it doesn't look like someone who wrote this actually read the history of the Atlantic slave trade (no offence). Like I said, this is a very critical topic, make sure the information is presented properly. If you say, "with a small number being captured directly by the slave traders in coastal raids", do you have any credible reference to reflect this (estimated figures to be specific)? Many poeople, I guess, see this as if the writer is trying to minimize the European traders' involvement in the extraction of the slaves. Well, they were heavily involved because they set up the "slave factories", they made all the arrangements for how these slaves were to be captured; they even provided weapons to the African middlemen (such as guns and nets). Think about something like this: "European factors (people who collected the slaves on the coast) seldom ventured inland to capture the millions of people who were transported from Africa as captives. An African middleman would usually sell his slaves to the European factor." I lifted this directly from a BBC online educational program. So, this might be shorten as "European factors seldom ventured inland, instead they were using African middlemen to capture the vast majority of people transported as slaves from Africa".

2. Also, "who had been sold by other West Africans" is so broad and vague. You have to understand that slavery is a sensitive subject. You have to say what really happened here: "sold by African middlemen to European slave factors". Here people reading this will know that there were specific individuals acting as middlemen for European slave traders who were actually involved in slavery, and not just broadly "other West Africans". What you might imply here is that there were the captives (slaves) and the captors (other West Africans) - meaning apart from the captives, West Africans were all involved, ignoring the fact that only certain individuals acting as middlemen were actually involved.

These are my two main concerns I would like you to consider, because I myself don't want to be going through this all the time; but I cannot sit by and see people being deceived by wrong information about a critical and sensitive topic about slavey.

NB. True that I'm quite new to editing here as I'm not that too familiar with how the referencing works, but don't use that as a way of dismissing my editing. Infact, I know others can easily correct the referencing part as long as the information is correct. -- Hassanjalloh1 ( talk) 04:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello. The page History of slavery in the Muslim world has been vandalized by 2a02:a44e:f153:1:d129:8cca:c03:41ce, whose vandalization of another page you recently deleted. I don't know how to erase this vandalization, perhaps you are willing to? I just thought I should let you know. I would have fixed it myself but my computor don't seem to let me do it at the moment. The page History of slavery in the Muslim world is unfortunately often vandalized. -- Aciram ( talk) 17:52, 23 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello, you reverted my edit on the article African diaspora in Finland where I listed Lammin Sullay as one of the notable writers and journalists of African descent. What you probably didn't notice is that Lammin Sullay is already mentioned in the article as a notable person, being the founder of the newspaper Scandi-B in the 1990s. Did you hastily revert my edit on a quick hunch after discovering that my username is named after him? Regards, – Sullay ( Let's talk about it) 15:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Sullay: Thanks for starting the discussion. No, I didn't revert hastily, and yes, I noticed that he is mentioned in the article. In fact, I did a full text search for his name and found that he was also mentioned on Sesay, where you added him in 2017. All the other persons linked from African diaspora in Finland have their own articles, at least in the Finnish WP. That's why I reverted you. To be honest, I was wondering whether you were his son, in which case you shouldn't have added him. I'd suggest you first create the page Lammin Sullay (providing enough secondary sources to establish his notability, see WP:Notability (people)), and then link the page from African diaspora in Finland and from Sesay, where I also deleted him. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC) reply

There is actually an article about him in the Finnish Wikipedia. I actually just now realised that it's not mentioned on the "African diaspora in Finland" article. Does there have to be an article about him in the English Wikipedia as well for him to be mentioned on the "African diaspora in Finland" article? He is, after all, somewhat of a pioneer in modern-day literature and media about the experiences of Africans living in Finland. – Sullay ( Let's talk about it) 16:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC) reply

There are many people linked from "African d. i. F." who only have a Finnish article, so I think a Finnish article is enough. I already restored the entry at Sesay, linking it to the Finnish article. But I still think that adding him to two categories would be too much. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the edit warning you placed on my talk page although it doesn't apply to me because of WP:3RR since I only edited this page a total of three times, the warning is not valid. Thank You in advance for understanding and I hope you withdraw this invalid edit warning and contribute to a meaningful discussion on the Slavery in Africa talk page. Regards, Robjwev ( talk) 11:27, 1 July 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Robjwev: I think my warning was correct. WP:3RR says, any user may report edit warring with or without 3RR being breached. The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:05, 1 July 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Rsk6400: If that's the case, I should have sent "edit warnings" to you quite a few times. Instead of throwing edit warnings on other user's pages, we all should work towards an agreement that we could all agree on.

@ Robjwev: There are rules telling us when to revert, and when not to revert. And I'm quite confident that I followed those rules. For a basic understanding, please take a look at WP:BRD and WP:CIR. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 17:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Rsk6400: You're framing WP:BRD and WP:CIR in a way that fits your narrative I don't see anything you have reverted that fits into these categories referenced. Not accusing you of anything but it seems as if other editors are beneath you when it comes to these subjects. I've seen your reverts on other pages and you revert others more than you should without any productive discussion or compromise on your part. When they revert your reverts you slap an edit warning on them and do another revert in an attempt to make your reverts or edits the last word, that's not how this works. I also noticed that you have ignored my attempts to talk about the content in question and continue to justify your actions. We share a common interest in several pages I will continue to work with other editors and hopefully you on these pages. How do you feel about a "Request for comment" Robjwev ( talk) 19:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Everybody is free to start an RfC. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 19:11, 1 July 2021 (UTC) reply

When clearly Native American's origin is more complex and some anthropologist disputes that they are Mongoloid.

/info/en/?search=Genetic_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

" Most amerindian groups are derived from two ancestral lineages, which formed in Siberia prior to the Last Glacial Maximum, between about 36,000 and 25,000 years ago, East Eurasian and Ancient North Eurasian. " <--- Please have a look at what Ancient North Eurasian is.

" A 2013 study in Nature reported that DNA found in the 24,000-year-old remains of a young boy from the archaeological Mal'ta-Buret' culture suggest that up to one-third of indigenous Americans' ancestry can be traced back to western Eurasians, who may have "had a more north-easterly distribution 24,000 years ago than commonly thought. "We estimate that 14 to 38 percent of Amerindian ancestry may originate through gene flow from this ancient population," the authors wrote. Professor Kelly Graf said.

In 1998, Jack D. Forbes, professor of Native American Studies and Anthropology at the University of California, Davis, said that the racial type of the indigenous people of the Americas does not fall into the Mongoloid racial category. Forbes said that due to the various physical traits indigenous Americans exhibit, some with "head shapes which seem hardly distinct from many Europeans, indigenous Americans must have either been formed from a mixture of Mongoloid and Caucasoid races or they descend from the ancestral, common type of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid races.

- Vamlos ( talk) 05:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Vamlos: First of all: I got eleven [sic !] messages that you edited my talk page. Next time, please use the "Preview" button to check that you really wrote what you wanted to write. Then: There is NO dispute whether Native Americans are Mongoloid or not. The consensus is that they are not, because nobody is. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 06:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Okay. There's a extreme biased on how the Mongoloid wiki page is edited. It only talks about Native American being Mongoloid but does not allow information about anthropologist also claiming that Native American does not fall into the Mongoloid racial category. Plenty of anthropologist had claimed Native Americans are not Mongoloids. Although many others do they claim they are Mongoloids and I agree aswell there should be information edited that contested they are not considered Mongoloid. Because it's true Native Americans especially North American have various physical traits, their head shapes hardly distinct from European and Caucasoid. Many lack even the Mongoloid appearance and facial features

Here are what Native Americans looks like. Their bone structure is way too robust unlike Mongoloids who are gracile.

Here's the average face of North Native American from different tribes (although there more tribes that was not included). I have never seen Mongoloids that look like these.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c8d75c00ff09e2dd7696bd5c93595305

https://brooklyneagle.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/nativeamericans-viabkmuseum.jpg

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/vintage-native-american-girls-portrait-photography-fb.png

In any case trying to not include anthropologist giving information about Native Americans not being Mongoloid is basically tricking people that no anthropologist had ever suggested that Native American does not fall into the Mongoloid race category. It's quite clear that they look very distinct from Asiatic Mongoloids yet only information on them being similar to Asiatic Mongoloid is allowed but information that proves their distinct racial category is nor allowed. I'm not even agreeing that they not Mongoloid. because they are but more information must be edited so that this wiki page is not so biased. Vamlos ( talk) 18:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC) reply

( talk page stalker) @ Vamlos: Aren't you even aware of the fact that modern scholarship (except at the very fringe) doesn't work with racializing categories such as "Mongoloid" and "Caucasoid"? This is 2021 Wikipedia, not 1940 Coonipedia. It's your choice still to adhere to such categorizing, but you cannot engage in a discussion with a blind eye about modern scholarly consensus. It's like arguing about whether the common cold is caused by evil spirit A or evil spirit B, when modern medicine says it's caused by a virus. – Austronesier ( talk) 20:20, 14 July 2021 (UTC) reply

I'm more like following this rule Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Why not just remove the entire Mongoloid wikipedia page if it doesn't exist. Regardless if the article is pseudo-science. If your going to edit information about how Native Americans are classified as Mongoloid by some anthropologist than there should also be information edited that contradicts of their racial classification by other anthropologist. A neutral and fair opinion from both sides should be given. I've seen many Native Americans and they always appear semi-Caucasian looking especially with their long hooked noses and robust head shapes and bone structures. North Native American, and many South American tribes even lack the Asian appearance that we call Mongoloid. Vamlos ( talk) 22:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC) reply

It's been 4 days and I still had not received a response. I'm guessing this means you agree with me because like I said wikipedia request that are our answers to be neutral and with neutral point of views. Vamlos ( talk) 09:00, 18 July 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Vamlos: No, it means that I'm not interested in this discussion. Please make sure that you have read and understood WP:RS, WP:OR, and WP:FRINGE. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 09:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Okay if your not interested in the discussion. Do you acknowledge that there needs to be a fair balance on the classification of Native American. According WP:NPOV which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. The Native American sources I published were all from reliable sources but according to you who removed my edit. You said " Don't see why we should present every detail ever written about Native Americans ". I have no break any of these rules ( WP:RS, WP:OR, and WP:FRINGE) that you told me to read and understand. Can you prove to me I'm doing original research, fringe theory ect. Vamlos ( talk) 15:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC) reply

To quote what you said "Anti-British and anti-French sentiment are mostly about political conflicts, not about discrimination." It is false. I frequently see Americans acting with prejudice toward us and the British people. Us French people, they call us "frogs" and mock our ways of talking such as with "Bonjour, baguette, hon hon" vernacular. British people get mocked for their accent which is a topic directly related to another article about discrimination. Where's the political conflict here?

Additionally, the article on Anti-British sentiment and Anti-French sentiment has the cultural discrimination navbar on it, I thought that would be appropriate to add the articles to these templates because I thought they were missing in the first place, so you could expect to see the article appear on there as an example of what consititutes ethnic or national prejudice.

MarioSuperstar77 ( talk) 18:57, 13 August 2021 (UTC) reply

@ MarioSuperstar77: An edit summary should be short, but maybe I made it too short. What I wanted to say is, "The articles Anti-British and anti-French sentiment are mostly about political conflicts, not about discrimination." Additionally, I don't think that discrimination of French or British people ever reached a level like that of Jews, Armenians, African Americans, or other groups linked from the template. There is a similar discussion at Template_talk:Discrimination_sidebar#Anti-Catalanism_and_Anti-Chilean_sentiment, in which WriterArtistDC brought forward another interesting distinction. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 11:32, 14 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Fair enough re: citations. My logic was that citation policy requires them for any quotations (requirement for material likely to be challenged is for non-quote content). But if links to the respective Wikipedia/Wikisource articles meets citation policy requirements, works for me! Huskerdru ( talk) 16:16, 27 August 2021 (UTC) reply

When you have a chance, would you please provide your thoughts here? I am trying to observe Wikipedia policy on citing a source for any direct quotation. Linking to another Wikipedia article is not a source citation. Huskerdru ( talk) 02:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Although it's not required, it is a courtesy to request input for changes in controversial subjects that others may object to. Hopefully, you would conceder extending the same courtesy. Thank You Robjwev ( talk) 14:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC) reply

No, that's not how WP works, see WP:BRD. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I refer you back to my comment, "Although it's not required, it is a courtesy" WP:BRD is not mandated by Wikipedia policy, and you did not engage in the discussion part of the cycle. Getting input from concerning editors is called respect and keeping with the spirit of collaboration and consensus. Here's some helpful information for you to review. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Consensus Robjwev ( talk) 01:33, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Perhaps I could've cited my sources when editing all those articles but I struggle to see how race is "obsolete". From a societal viewpoint sure correlation doesn't = causation but if you think ethnicities don't have unique physical traits you're in denial. The trouble with being "colour-blind" is that you're fighting ignorance with ignorance. So I regret nothing about what I did and even if it was to no avail you can't change the fact we're all different, which is something to celebrate rather than reject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan27032 ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 22 September 2021 (UTC) reply

We're all different, and yet you think it makes sense to group people into arbitrary and rigid categories? It's grotesque to call racialism a celebration of diversity. And assuming that "ethnicities [...] have unique physical traits" is nonsense. In most parts of the world, ethnic groups are phenotypically indistinguishable from neighboring ethnic groups. The farther you go, the more different people will look, but that's not what ethnicity is about. Ethnicity is culture, not skin-color which comes in infinite shades. – Austronesier ( talk) 20:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC) reply

They're not "arbitrary and rigid". The only way they could be is if you let your race define you, and whether it's a deciding factor in whether you get a job or not, which is a thing of the past. Acknowledging the existence of race instead of buying into politically correct pseudo-science isn't racism either, and it's a celebration of diversity because you're embracing your background and what makes you special (no that isn't to say any race is superior) as for ethnic groups being "phenotypically indistinguishable from neighboring ethnic groups", well, you ever consider that subdivisions are a thing? Japanese and Indonesians are both part of the Mongoloid race but as you said will have unique differences in skin tone. That isn't because race isn't real it's because they belong to subdivisions within their race. And honestly this is like saying dog breeds are "obsolete" because "all dogs are the same" therefore Rottweilers and German Shepherds don't look different because they're different breeds but look different because geography, despite both breeds originating in Germany. -- Dan27032 ( talk) 20:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Dan27032: Please refrain from making any more edits on my user talk page, please don't sign comments after you received an answer, and please read at least one reliable source ( WP:RS) about race. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 04:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Is that what you took away from all of what I said? Besides I haven't really posted on people's talk pages very often and the UI is pretty vague, so I don't care if you're annoyed at me for signing my comments after just learning how to. -- Dan27032 ( talk) 19:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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You removed an addition I made to Nat Turner's Rebellion, including the detail that the insurrectionists killed 24 children. You said it was due to the source not being about Nat Turner but rather was from a John Quincy Adams biography. I then cited an encyclopedia entry on the man, a text on the history of the South, and a text on black Virginians. I think you will agree that each of these meet the standards set broadly across Wikipedia historical articles for relevance. 208.102.177.99 ( talk) 21:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi Rsk6400, You appear to have deleted my edit to the Anti-Semitism page. I agree with your assessment that basing the entire Frankish church on a study centred on Lyon is excessive. This was a hastily hurried point on my part; nevertheless, I believe there is much to be gained by this fresh scholarly effort, and I will work on a new edit in the next 48 hours - please let me know if you would want to read it first. If you'd like, I can also send you a copy of Warren Peze's piece, which has been translated into English. I hope you are well, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.. Tubbyavocados ( talk) 11:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Tubbyavocados: Thanks for starting the discussion and thanks for your thoughtful words. Since there are many editors interested in that article, I'd think it fair if all of us see your next edit at the same time. Meaning, I'd prefer not to be the first one to read your forthcoming edit. That's also in line with the WP:BRD cycle. Still, let me give you some ideas:

• „Antisemitism“ spans many centuries and all countries. A single school of thought based in Lyon might not be relevant for this article.
• WP articles should be based rather on works giving an overview over the whole subject than on studies focused on a single city or a short period.
• IMHO, your edit was vague regarding the “side notes” (what kind of notes to which texts ?) as well as regarding the nature of the changes.

Happy editing, — Rsk6400 ( talk) 10:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC) reply

I wasn't aware that popularity was more important than fact on Wikipedia, but I'm not surprised. I'll leave the article as reverted, but I will point out that the Declaration of Independence did not establish the United States of America, or even use that term at all, and the independence of the nation was far from secure or being internationally recognized in 1776. In fact, the article "United States", states in part that "After its defeat at the Siege of Yorktown in 1781, Britain signed a peace treaty. American sovereignty became internationally recognized..." Nevertheless, let's not educate people if we run the risk of offending them.

Regards, ETO Buff ( talk) 08:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC) reply

@ ETO Buff: There are several dates that could be considered the founding of the US, from the First Continental Congress to the inauguration of the first president in 1789. If international recognition is the most important date (which I doubt), the treaty of Paris (1782/83) would certainly be a better date than Yorktown. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 09:10, 8 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi Rsk! Hope all is well. Per your recent reversion on Origins of the American Civil War, you said that it would be better to have a short description that is understandable without the article's title. I see where you're coming from, but upon checking out WP:SHORTDESC, there doesn't seem to be any instance where the short description of an article would appear without the article's title. The reason I made the edit is because it sounded redundant/repetitive the way it was, and I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Have a good one! Sweetstache ( talk) 22:38, 10 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi @ Sweetstache: Thanks for pointing out WP:SHORTDESC. As far as I see, there is no example given where a short description contains a reference (like "the conflict") to the title, and I can't remember that I ever saw such a short description. But I think that our article matches the criterion of WP:SDNONE, so I just put "none". BTW: You will have seen that I changed or reverted a lot of your edits to a lot of articles. Still, I don't feel that there is a real disagreement, because all your edits were well in line with WP's NPOV and also WP:NONAZIS (as I hope mine were, too). Happy editing, -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:16, 11 November 2021 (UTC) reply

I just saw that you used a script to undo all of my edits to the Canaan page. I am very grateful for your knowledge and assistance in fixing the the direct quotes that I edited in error, as well as fixing the parts of the the page that I unknowing broke due to making the edits via the visual editor and a mobile browser to review my edits. Needless to say, this was a humbling yet welcomed learning experience for me. You have my most sincere thanks.

With all of that being said, I'm unlear on why you reverted all of the edits I made to the page's Age/Era notations. I would appreaciate your reasoning and insight because I can't see what was wrong despite reading over the style guidline that you linked (again, thank you so much for providing me the proper information).

Thank you in advance for your time and knowledge!

ChiXiStigma ( talk) 07:57, 11 November 2021 (UTC) reply

@ ChiXiStigma: I hope that the "humbling" experience was not too hard - human beings and especially Wikipedians learn by doing and that includes making errors and being corrected. At least that's my experience. The script I used is called Twinkle. You can read more about it at WP:Twinkle. The reason why I reverted you was that MOS:ERA explicitly states that an "article's established era style" shall not be changed without prior consensus. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 11:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC) reply

@Rsk6400: Thank you for pointing out what should have been obvious to me the first time I read it. I’m not sure how my reading comprehension failed in such a spectacular fashion, but I truly appreciate your grace with which you replied to me! Thank you for all of your time and knowledge. I hope you have a wonderful day/night! ChiXiStigma ( talk) 13:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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So I have a question, and you really need to answer immediately. Why would you remove the racial slurs on the See also page for Colored? You said it was not a valid reason to discard links, but I know that it can offend black people. So why is this nesscessary for you and not me? Lilkitty200 ( talk) 21:48, 8 December 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Lilkitty200: On WP, there is no "need to answer immediately". WP is not censored, see WP:NOTCENSORED. The articles Negro and Nigger are part of WP and can be linked. WP rejects racism (see WP:NONAZIS), but the supposed feelings of somebody are no valid reason for the removal of content. Since both Colored and Negro were formerly used in the US in a neutral sense, a link to Negro seems justified. But I agree with you about Nigger, which always has been a slur. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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@ Rsk6400:If you don't mind, I'm just simply curious as to how you came to be such an expert of the African American experience being a German citizen?-- Taharka155 ( talk) 23:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Taharka155: Hitler's racist government caused the total destruction of my country from 1933-45. That's one reason, among others, why I don't like racists. And I think the idea that it's only ancestry which determines a person's ethnicity "is only a racist's pipe dream." (borrowing Dimadick's words) -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Hey Rsk6400, you may want to check out the recent additions by a user who included large amounts of rather dubious content making much claims about Caucasoid populations, Indo-Europeans and "Europid mummies" in the article Xiongnu. It is not only WP:OR, but also off topic according to WP:RS. Furthermore I suspect more personal motivations behind the user, but lets see. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Xiongnu&type=revision&diff=1061856088&oldid=1061485801

I doubt that fringe theories about Caucasoid mummies, Indo-Europeans, and blonde blue eyed people is relevant for the historical nomadic confederation of the Xiongnu. Other than die-hard racialist, most are not really interested to read such fringe hypotheses in the lead and first section of the article. May you have some time to check this out. Happy Christmas and a good new year! 2001:4BC9:926:4AAE:985C:99DD:1637:F5A2 ( talk) 16:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Why did you close my comments on race as a biological classification? ^[1] They were explicitly about improving that section. It seems like you merely disagree with an opposing argument. Weagesdf ( talk) 10:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Weagesdf: WP follows scientific consensus. If you don't agree with science, there are a lot of forums that welcome your advocacy. You can find them all over the Internet. Rsk6400 ( talk) 10:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Do you have any citations of the scientific consensus claiming that? On the one hand, you closed the talk on social constructionism, in which the article implies that a strong form of social constructionism is used, which would claim that there is absolutely no biological basis for distinctions of race being made. On the other, you closed the talk about biological classification which only follows Western scientific consensus if you include anthropologists and sociologists along with biologists. There is not anything resembling a scientific consensus among biologists worldwide in regarding humans as biologically distinct or not ^[2]. Further, the claim that race has no genetic basis, such as in medical science, would point to it not even being part of scientific consensus, but a political question ^[3]. But there is not a medical consensus, as it is still an ongoing debate ^[4]. It appears as though you are just trying to silence ideas you disagree with. Weagesdf ( talk) 10:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC) reply

( talk page stalker) This is all covered and referenced in the article. Rsk was absolutely right to close the talk page section you started. Talk pages are only for discussing improvements to articles. These discussions typically take the form:

The article currently reads X which is not adequately supported by sources and/or editorial policy because Y. I suggest that we change it to Z.

If you can formulate whatever point you are trying to make in that format, then we can discuss it further. Otherwise, please go JAQ off somewhere else. –  Joe ( talk) 12:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I don't see any problem using a primary source to reference an historical practice. The wiki guidelines (1) don't seem to forbid using a primary source as I did. I didn't "analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize" the material in the source; I stated it almost verbatim. Ficaia ( talk) 08:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I mistakenly selected two non-adjecant versions, getting the wrong impression. For which I apologize. You do know I have a talk-page just like this, i assume, where you can chew me out over this, so let's keep the discussion on the article TP on topic. Thanks. Kleuske ( talk) 13:01, 29 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Kleuske: No problem, happens during the heat of the editing process. Thank you for the clarification. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Kleuske: Thinking about this edit of yours, I have to say that's not the kind of behaviour I expect from a very experienced editor. WP:AGF is the best way to keep discussions "on topic". Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

As I said, I have a talk-page where you can address any shortcomings I have. Discussions on article talk-pages are reserved for improvements of the article in question ( WP:TPG), not venting personal gripes. This is an appropriate page to do that, and so is my talk-page. I pointed that out in the edit you refer to, and followed it up with this thread. That is not a violation of AGF, that is a, quite civil, request to adhere to talk-page guidelines. If that edit does not conform to your expectations, i kindly suggest you re-evaluate those expectations. Kleuske ( talk) 08:44, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

( talk page watcher) Kleuske, please see WP:DTR. Thanks, Mathsci ( talk) 12:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Mathsci: "Don't template the regulars"? Please clarify. I haven't templated anyone. Kleuske ( talk) 12:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

It's an essay about how to address experienced users, that's all. Mathsci ( talk) 13:15, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Yes. Don't template them. I didn't. If you have any specific issues to point out, please do, but at the moment, your remark isn't very helpful. Kleuske ( talk) 14:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Mathsci, thank you. I think your remark was very helpful, at least it helped me to be at peace with this issue. Kleuske, I'm still not happy with your reaction, but I don't think we have to continue this discussion. I'm confident that we'll be able to discuss the content issue in a constructive way. I am impressed by your commitment to WP, and I hope you don't doubt my good intentions. Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

The "I'm not happy with your reaction" feeling is very much mutual. Kleuske ( talk) 20:36, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Can you tell me which of my replies makes you unhappy and why ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC) reply

You should look at the article " 6 October 1976 massacre". The article does mention that many people were lynched. Thank you and please leave that revert alone. 49.178.174.232 ( talk) 11:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

The article doesn't mention the word "lynching". A massacre by the police is not called "lynching". A problem with the article shall be discussed on that article's talk page, not here. Rsk6400 ( talk) 11:54, 30 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Why do I need to provide a source when it literally says in the same article that there are only half a million black people in Germany. The number of black people in Germany doesn't compare to France or the UK and I want to make that known Dan27032 ( talk) 01:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC) reply

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Stop deliberately attempting to provoke a conflict & edit warring on Speciesism, and simply show us your reliable sources to substantiate your claims.

As of yet, there are none & what I read of policy is clear; no sources, no content.

I am being direct here for the sake of brevity and not impolite. I've read the policy pages and they are clear.

What is important is what the references say, the reliable sources, not how long someone has been a member.

Thanks. -- Made private later ( talk) 17:06, 28 March 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Made private later: Well, I already asked you to read WP:CONSENSUS, and it seems that I'm not the only one who disagrees with your edits. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC) reply

So what are the references you can provide to support your claim? -- Made private later ( talk) 19:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello, I've seen your revert. The only people my edit could be controversial for are ethnonationalists, because it's a widely agreed linguistic fact Serbo-Croatian is one language, as well as the language numerous self-identifying Yugoslav Americans describe as using. I did not remove the standard variants it includes, only put them in the brackets. Is marking the edit as minor the only reason it was reverted? - Vipz ( talk) 10:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC) reply

From WP:MINOR: A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. I also doubt that all those Croatians that insist that their language is a separate language can justly be called "ethnonationalists". I'd also like to suggest you help your fellow editors by using edit summaries. I think your edit showed a certain POV, that's why I reverted you. Of course we can discuss about it, that should be done on the relevant talk page. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:32, 30 March 2022 (UTC) reply

I did not think this would've been controversial before you told me, which is why I casually corrected it without long explanations. You didn't counter my other arguments about Yugoslav Americans, nor explained how am I POV-pushing by listing a language while also leaving its varieties that were already listed intact. Not all are ethnonationalists, many are led/taught to believe this (as a Croat, me included), and there are very dangerous real-life consequences by satisfying the group that pushes this other point of view that these are separate languages. Nonetheless, my edit only added Serbo-Croatian and did not remove Serbian and Croatian from the list, therefore I see nothing wrong. - Vipz ( talk) 14:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Hey, sorry if I'm annoying, but I've posted some sources on the talk page and you didn't reply. I suppose I should've came up with RS before submitting my edit, instead of doing that after, so you're correct there. - Vipz ( talk) 08:59, 2 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Since you agreed to remove all languages (except English), I waited some time for other users to comment. Just now, I removed, hoping that nobody will protest. If you are fine with that, the problem is solved. Rsk6400 ( talk) 09:47, 2 April 2022 (UTC) reply

In any case, I hoped you'd confirm the sources I came up with, but fine. - Vipz ( talk) 09:50, 2 April 2022 (UTC) reply

Look at the nonsense on his user page for instance/ [6] vs Kaffir Almost all if not all of his minor changes are major. Many but not enough reverted. Doug Weller talk 06:33, 29 May 2022 (UTC) reply

In English language not all nouns under threat of execution must have a verb. But even if you are a big pedant you can just fix what you personally don't like instead revertion of the entire edit, right? We are here to collaborate and improve Wikipedia after all. HernánCortés1518 ( talk) 17:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC) reply

@ HernánCortés1518: You made this edit and then, after I undid it, you restored your favourite version of the article three times, each time being reverted by other editors. I'm not so sure whether this can be called collaborating and improving WP. Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:14, 3 June 2022 (UTC) reply

" whataboutism is another thing, right?" HernánCortés1518 ( talk) 10:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC) reply

• Also, it wouldn't hurt to take a look at wp:overlink: hyperlinks to nationalities, races and ethnicities as rule are overlinks. It's not that important, but just a little tip. HernánCortés1518 ( talk) 07:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC) reply

WP:ROWN, WP:DISCUSS, etc. VQuakr ( talk) 17:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC) reply

@ VQuakr: At Antisemitism, I reverted you at 17:30, 16 August 2022, my edit comment was "See Talk". Immediately after, I started to write my explanation on the talk page which I completed at 17.35. You may call it an error that I didn't complete that explanation before reverting you, but since your edit had been an obvious mistake, I thought I could revert before explaining myself. In the meantime, at 17:31, you restored an earlier version of mine with the comment "Discussion on talk not found. Reverting to status quo, then." One minute after my revert. Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:02, 23 August 2022 (UTC) reply

I didn't realize how recent your rv was at the article. I'm sure I frequently edit the article and then the talk page, too. Thanks for clarifying! Friendly reminder that the edit's been contested, so don't edit war. VQuakr ( talk) 16:27, 23 August 2022 (UTC) reply

@ VQuakr: I didn't edit war. The debate was whether antisemitism was a case of "word as word" (my conviction and status quo) or not. The only change I made (and restored after you reverted it), was applying MOS. And frankly, I couldn't imagine that anybody with enough competence to edit WP would contest the application of MOS:WAW. I admit that the question on debate (whether it was a case of WAW) is more complicated. But there my conviction was supported by the status quo. Never mind, thanks for self-reverting. Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:12, 24 August 2022 (UTC) reply

FYI: Tewdar has added some good sources recently in Race and genetics and Human genetic variation, so we don't have to rely too heavily on Templeton alone, and also to dispel the BS claim that any reputable geneticist supports the notion of biological races. Btw, are you familiar with this sockmaster? That's most likely the edit warring Canadian IP. Austronesier ( talk) 17:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Thanks a lot. I'll surely use some of the sources in the near future. No, never met that sockmaster. Rsk6400 ( talk) 11:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC) reply

There's a link to Racial segregation in the United States in the next paragraph, you don't need two closely related links like that. And you shouldn't include terms from both sides unless you explain how they were used, it simply comes off as repetitive otherwise. Esszet ( talk) 01:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC) reply

[7] [8] [9] don't push your perspective here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.224.177.253 ( talk) 12:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Please read about WP:RS and WP:NPOV. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC) reply

I included a link to a song which was used at Euromaidan. You reverted this, claiming that I did not have a reliable source. I included a link to a video of Maidan, where indisputably 1. the video was taken at the Euromaidan event and 2. the song "Belt after belt" was sung. Firsthand video evidence is about as reliable as it gets. As to whether that was significant, another song was labeled as the "unofficial anthem" of Maidan, despite the fact a decentralised movement can not have an anthem, official or not, due to its very decentralsied nature. Leetinkoy ( talk) 17:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply

In my edit summary [10] I said that a you didn't provide a WP:RS - please read that section about reliable sources. More important is the second point I made in that same edit summary: How shall anybody know that it was not just one of many songs that were sung during all those weeks of protesting, but a prominent one ? We have to present the facts according to the weight they are given in reliable secondary sources. I'd like to add a third point: Just mentioning a certain song doesn't help our readers since most of them will not be specialists for Ukrainian protest songs. We'd have to present the facts with a certain context, in this case the political message of the song. Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:34, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Regarding this, my own comments were being collapsed in the process, and the conversation is finished. No other respondent has agreed to the sockpuppet's proposed changes, and I don't personally care what gets written on the article as I won't touch it. -- Coldtrack ( talk) 21:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Coldtrack: You also collapsed JASpencer's and my comments, and I don't know what makes you claim that the "conversation is finished". Regarding your lamentation about (Ukrainian) "lunatics" and "not the friendliest of climates for editors with pro-Russian sentiment" [11]: WP is not about "sentiment", but about RS. And if you claim that sources like the BBC are generally not reliable, you won't be very successful here. Rsk6400 ( talk) 06:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello,

Why are you undoing my edits? What do you mean, "did not appear constructive?" You also called my edit, "nonsense." Do you understand how offensive that is to my people and my ancestors? KingLouie84 ( talk) 08:15, 4 December 2022 (UTC) reply

@ KingLouie84 we only care about having reliably published sources that can verify edits, not whether they hurt people's feelings, that's not the role of an encyclopedia. Doug Weller talk 13:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Indeed, I called this edit "nonsense", because the IP editor who made it claimed "I'm a descendant of Canaan and Canaan was the son of Shem, NOT Ham." Since those three are Biblical figures (sons and grandson of Noah) I won't change my view. Rsk6400 ( talk) 19:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC) reply

@ KingLouie84 It seems likely that you are the IP. Doug Weller talk 21:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC) reply

I was about to let you know of the discretionary sanctions in the Eastern Europe topic area, but you've indicated above that you're already aware, so that's good! Still, it's a good idea to tread more carefully. I didn't want to go into detail at Talk:Crimea#Neutrality of the lead ?, but quite a few of the diffs I listed there were yours. What I can see is that you made a bold edit to the stable version of the article, then over the next couple of weeks made several reverts of a few different people who either tried to change it back or attempted to flag it as contentious, and then suggested on the talk page that it was those other people (most of whom have only made a single edit to that article) that were edit warring and that they needed to get consensus first. You may not have been aware of all that because it happened over the course of a month. But it's precisely these things that fan the flames of disputes, and the topic area is already fraught with tension. The substantial question in this case (the wording of the first sentence) is resolved for now (thank you for agreeing to the compromise today!), but I think it's good to be extra careful as disagreements will likely keep arising in the future. – Uanfala ( talk) 18:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Uanfala: There were several discussions on the same set of questions. If I didn't loose track of all the edits and discussions (which I hope but am not sure of), I only accused somebody of edit warring if they tried to change the stable version repeatedly or after having been warned that they had no consensus (as in your case). When I removed the "neutrality" tag, I was supported by the ensuing discussion. I'm under the impression that some editors want to use WP as a medium for transporting Russian disinformation (which can be done in good faith if they have been deceived themselves). But I still appreciate you reminding me that WP is collaborative effort and your comment above helps me to understand that you were not into edit warring but really wanted to improve the article. So: Thanks for your comment. Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Thought you'd like to know. Doug Weller talk 09:48, 3 January 2023 (UTC) reply

How is proposing a phenotypical basis for a supposed "Mongoloid" race a complete waste of time? People from these areas of the world really do tend to objectively have those unique facial/physical features frequently that I specified in common with minor variations between each of their respective "Mongoloid" subgroups/ethnicities indigenous to the eastern part of Asia and the Americas, of which are rarely found in any other human group on Earth? Have you ever seen a Chinese, Japanese, Southeast Asian, or Native American person in your life? There isn't any prejudice racist intent here, it's merely pointing out the diversity of humanity if anything. User:Rsk6400 Oscarjohnson1981 ( talk) 17:51, 15 February 2023 (UTC) reply

If you want to discuss content, please use the article's talk page, not mine. But be sure that you have good sources to base your argument on. Rsk6400 ( talk) 17:57, 15 February 2023 (UTC) reply

In your recent , you stated: WP:ONUS is no licence for WP:STONEWALLING. WP:TALKDONTREVERT would state: [Editors] who stonewall discussions, may be guilty of disruptive editing. The full title of the shortcut used is: Wikipedia:Status quo stonewalling and does not appear relevant, since the subject discussion is about one sentence being challenged out of three sentences that were added. You reverted my proposed alternative. Discussing and proposing alternatives to build a WP:CONSENSUS is clearly not status quo stonewalling. I would see a clear distinction between the discussion with Michael and that presently occurring at Talk:War in Donbas (2014–2022)#Reactions in Russia. Your edit summary was, removing information. please discuss on talk. There was already an open discussion with the OP, Michael. Your only contribution to that discussion has been the one linked herein. It does not address any of the previous discussion in a way that would go toward building consensus. I perceive your post to be a thinly veiled allegation of misconduct (an aspersion) that cannot be substantiated and which has no place on an article talk page. I would suggest you strike that part of your comment. I would also welcome further constructive comment toward building a consensus regarding the particular sentence and labelling the Donbas confict. Cinderella157 ( talk) 03:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC) reply

You also forked the discussion at the article's talk page to User_talk:Mzajac#discussion_about_Labelling_of_the_conflict_at_Talk:War_in_Donbas_(2014–2022). Please keep the discussion focussed and concise and don't start unnecessary forks. WP:TL;DR is a good read. Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:49, 19 February 2023 (UTC) reply

Per WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA, matters relating to these should be addressed to the user at their TP and not at an article TP. WP:TL;DR is indeed a good read: Being too quick to pointedly mention this essay may come across as dismissive and rude. The short version: I see your edit as a personal attack (at the very least, uncivil) and it does not contribute to building consensus. I have given you an opportunity to reconsider your edit. You also appear to be a WP:POT. Cinderella157 ( talk) 11:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC) reply

Can you please tell me if you understand what 'Deutsche auf der Erde' truly means? In your edit summary, you (totally unrelated to the subject of my latest edit) mentioned the Swiss people. Swiss people are called 'Schweizer' in German. Your rationale/argumentation falls short in explaining any logic to me. Therefore, before deleting or reverting what you solely label as potentially 'controversial edits' please make sure you understand well the topics of you arbitrarily and subjectively delete the information from on that respective page, including, most notably, content written in a foreign language. You have been previously told that on the talk page of the respective article (in a sharp manner, no need to fully recap now, sadly). Please re-consider some things and carefully revert what is not right, after you get to know what some things truly mean in German (in that specific case). All the best! Rosenborg BK Fan ( talk) 09:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Rosenborg BK Fan: Discussions regarding the article should take place on the article's talk page. Yes, I'm quite sure that I understand "what some things truly mean in German". Rsk6400 ( talk) 12:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Since when a map of the German diaspora is not relevant in the context of modern history on a page related to the Germans (which is also the main page of the Germans on the English Wikipedia as well)? Do you have a reason for why that is not relevant or do you just erase previous edits (by others as well), on no concrete basis whatsoever? You mentioned the fact that you are history teacher at a gymnasium and a native German speaker. In these regards, do you find the German diaspora not relevant at all in your courses as well? One wonders... At least mention a reason why you personally consider as not relevant (which, by the way, is related to common sense). Secondly, what is not relevant for you might be relevant to many other people. Rosenborg BK Fan ( talk) 09:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC) reply

I already told you that discussions about an article have to be conducted on that article's talk page. I also told you a lot of other things, please WP:LISTEN. Rsk6400 ( talk) 09:20, 10 March 2023 (UTC) reply

a) Not always.

b) Not a lot of other things (or not very relevant other things, sadly).

c) I have also conducted meaningful discussions there.

d) I will keep on conducting relevant, meaningful, and accurate discussions there.

e) I also told you a lot of other relevant things, including the fact that there weren't just two ancient Germanic kingdoms on the ancient map on the article of the Germans (and other important facts in a historical context there, as it can be clearly seen).

f) You were previously told other things as well on the talk page of the Germans by other users (signed or unsigned).

g) As a history teacher, you should really know what is relevant and what is not relevant in relevant historical contexts. The German diaspora became more and more numerous during the Modern period, hence the map is relevant in a historical context. The fact that you have bad will and not so much common sense to delete previous good faith edits altogether and deeming them 'not relevant' in the process without a proper reason whatsoever is definitely not okay.

h) I also operate with sources for my claims. Regardless of whether you consider them relevant or not. You operate with deletions of content mostly... That's quite a difference. Rosenborg BK Fan ( talk) 09:28, 10 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Here's a valuable source co-authored by one of the leading population geneticists [12]. It will be very helpful in countering pseudoscientific POV pushing by racialist SPAs that pretend to cite genetic sources but obviously don't understand what they read. Austronesier ( talk) 23:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. TheRoyalTrust ( talk) 14:09, 24 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Has been rejected by an admin [13]. Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC) reply

I don't reply directly to user e-mail. However, I wanted to acknowledge receiving yours. Although you're understandably disturbed, it doesn't sound like you're worried. Nonetheless, you should consider whether you want to contact the Wikimedia Foundation through WP:EMERGENCY. You shouldn't be concerned about over-reacting; it doesn't hurt to e-mail the WMF, and they might have suggestions. They certainly can do more IRL; I of course can do nothing except on the English Wikipedia itself. It's of course up to you.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 13:26, 1 April 2023 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the heads up about TRT. I did not know about it.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 12:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC) reply

I saw that you merged the page Prime Minister of the Donetsk People's Republic back in the page for the DPR and said that it shouldn't be unmerged without a discussion. Should that discussion be opened the page's talk page? Khronicle I ( talk) 18:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC) reply

I don't think that discussion should be opened at all. If a discussion has already taken place, what's the use of repeating it ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:10, 1 April 2023 (UTC) reply

The discussion happened eight years ago. The page had been recreated and was being regularly edited for nearly a year, until you changed it back to a redirect. There is a page for LPR Prime Minister and the position of DPR Prime Minister is still in use. You said that the page cannot be unmerged without a discussion, I'm just wondering where that should be opened. Khronicle I ( talk) 18:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC) reply

If an "official" discussion (in this case, an AfD discussion) has taken place, individual editors should not go against the consensus. I don't have much experience with merging, but I think the opposite should be a split discussion at Donetsk People's Republic. But - using common sense - do you really think that those three (sic) sentences in Donetsk_People's_Republic#Government_and_politics article merit their own article ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 19:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC) reply

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When Black immigrants come into the USA, there is a cultural assimilation that goes with that and it is important to note that they aren’t just opting to leave who they are proud of being just to become someone else. Some become cross cultural or eventually come to identify culturally with African Americans through assimilation of African American culture… ex food, language, style etc.

The same happens if an African American moves and grows up in Nigeria with Yoruba. They will eventually identify with Yoruba culture as well which has many differences than African American culture.

It is important to clarify that they aren’t identifying with being African American ethnically since their histories are different and developed differently (ex emancipation dates, holidays, celebrations, weddings, art, languages), but they come to identify culturally through assimilation, because one can’t just become a different ethnicity by moving. Yes, one will be another nationality but not ethnicity.

Example Haitians are proud to be Haitians but some may come to culturally assimilate to African American culture later upon being around the dominant Black culture in and of America. Therefore, culturally identifying much with AA, not being AA.

This is why I added “via cultural assimilation”. I have lived in another country myself and love being my ethnicity but became cross cultural and assimilated to an extent, not to alter who I am ethnically.

I believe this is a very important clarification in the lead as it protects the fact that one can’t jump from being ethnically German to Italian to Igbo to Yoruba to Zulu to Asante all in a move. It’s a cultural assimilation, thus a culturally assimilated identity, not an ethnic one.

Also, the citation is valid as it confirms. I don’t fully understand why removing clarifying cited words was necessary?

WayMaQueen ( talk) 03:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply

@ WayMaQueen: Thank you for clarifying your intention. The process you describe above is very natural, but please remember that among human beings, many different things may happen, that some people may have different experiences. Anyway, we need a good source for everything on Wikipedia (see WP:V, WP:RS). Since this is an important question, I don't think that a news source is enough, given the fact that there are many academic publications about African Americans.

Since such discussions normally should happen on the article's talk page, I suggest the following: If you want to answer, do it there, giving a short summary of the above (or pasting and copying this discussion). Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply

There are several articles about African Americans, as you stated. However, in the first paragraph of the article, it ventured into Black immigrants who aren’t African American, therefore in that case, why is that sentence even there? It’s speaking of whole other groups of people and what some may they want to call themselves though not actually being one. It has no relevance without the “via cultural assimilation” and should be removed because it speaks on Black immigrants, not ethnic African Americans, plus that also has one source.

What I can do is add further citations from PhDs on the matter if more citations are needed for the statement “via cultural assimilation” because it is very valid and been researched. This way the statement can be placed back in the article. I have about three or four citations from newspapers and studies from doctors/researchers.

WayMaQueen ( talk) 08:08, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply

WayMaQueen ( talk) 12:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Please discuss on the article's talk page. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi,in regards to 2014 Donbas status referendums. I think when 72.5% said that if given the chance, people of Donetsk was polled to vote for entry into the Customs Union with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. But only 9.4% supported entry into the European Union. Such a fact would show the background that people in Donetsk wanted to be part of Russia's sphere. I get from your userpage that you are politically hoping for all of Ukraine to be united. Which means such voices from Donetsk would not be popular with you. But I don't think such facts can be dismissed and needs to be discussed proper in why it's not relevant. As I do not agree. They show that majority were inclined to be part of the Russian economic sphere and that is a hugely relevant factor on this topic. And hope we can discuss civilly. 49.186.90.34 ( talk) 11:50, 28 June 2023 (UTC) reply

If you want to discuss that, please do so on the article's talk page. But according to WP:GS/RUSUKR you are not allowed to edit that page. Rsk6400 ( talk) 11:53, 28 June 2023 (UTC) reply

I recently added Ethiopia and Eritrea in Template:Discrimination sidebar. and you delete them. Why do you think they are not for talking about discrimination in spite the list says "Ethnic/national"? AsteriodX ( talk) 16:59, 4 September 2023 (UTC) reply

@ AsteriodX: Discrimination, according to our article, is the act of making unfair or prejudicial distinctions between people .... I couldn't find such a thing in those articles. What is more, the definition of Anti-Eritrean sentiment seems to be unsourced, and IMHO that of Anti-Ethiopian sentiment needs a quotation and a page number. Rsk6400 ( talk) 17:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC) reply

The reason the quote about Johnson treating his slaves like his own children was included in the article is because Dolly's children Liz, Florence & William most likely *were Andrew Johnson's children*. I thought that biographer, who was a southerner from a white supremacist family in NC, and who spent time with Johnson's (acknowledged) grandson and most likely interviewed William Andrew Johnson as a source, was showing the hand of the white hypocrite a bit with that line. A confession, if you will. Please know that I don't go around inserting enslaver-aggrandizing language carelessly, or for that matter giving Andrew Johnson a free pass on anything. jengod ( talk) 13:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello @ Jengod: I didn't check who inserted the quote. From your edits on other articles I am quite sure that we share the same feelings about "enslaver-aggrandizing language". The person I was attacking in my edit summary ("Slavery was not so great as some writers of a 100 years ago wanted to make us believe.") was not the editor who inserted the quote, but the author of the book (a writer of nearly a 100 years ago). That enslaved people were treated as part of the family is one of those lies that proponents of slavery and later proponents of the Lost Cause myth often told in order to paint a benevolent picture of slavery. Therefore I think that we should not re-add the quote without some context which should be taken from a secondary source (which, unfortunately, I don't have at hand). Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC) reply

I hear you and leaving it out is fine. jengod ( talk) 14:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi

I suggest to move to 2023 elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine because the article is better. Then merge. Panam2014 ( talk) 09:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi

I think some Russian propaganda should be removed from 2014 and 2019 "elections". Panam2014 ( talk) 17:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC) reply

See 2014 Crimean parliamentary election and 2019 Crimean parliamentary election. Panam2014 ( talk) 18:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Like to 2023 elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine, do you have sources about violations in 2014 and 2019? Panam2014 ( talk) 20:07, 12 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Please give your opinion in talk page. Panam2014 ( talk) 18:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Please make sure that every election from the 2013 russian side of the border is still included. It's good that you didn't delete the whole table but you should double check just to make sure there isn't an actual russian province missing. I think most of us don't actually belive that the sham "elections" in the occupied zones hold any legality and can be discarted as such. 2001:8A0:6A16:8301:F061:8015:A696:74EF ( talk) 09:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Completeness is not among the guidelines of WP, verifiability is what matters. Rsk6400 ( talk) 11:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Don't waste my time by being intentionally obtuse. If you delete anything other than the russian occupied parts of Ukraine from the table I am reporting you for vandalism. Please respect the work of others. 2001:8A0:6A16:8301:F061:8015:A696:74EF ( talk) 16:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

You beat me to it! ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 20:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

With your help [14], as you probably already have noticed ;-) Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply

See Eastcote's talk page. Am I wrong? Doug Weller talk 08:33, 17 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the heads up. No, you are not wrong. Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Thank you! Doug Weller talk 16:53, 17 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi Robert, John Mearsheimer made me aware that there there are two schools in international relations:

• Realism (international relations)
• Liberalism (international relations) (in German: Idealismus)

I would love to live in a world which is guided by treaties, international organisations, etc. as in the liberal model assumption, but meanwhile I think the realist's description how the world works is more accurate, meaning that balance of power is important. If you have not yet viewed his 1h15m talk from 2015 on the situation in Ukraine, it is worth it. [15] (related Article in Foreign Affairs [16]). There is also a 19 min explanation of the Ukraine crisis from Jan 2022 by IEA London, shortly before the Russian invasion [17]. It says at the end: "What you want to have is cool and correct but not hostile relations because you are on the same part of the Eurasian landmass." Very true, and that is imho the explanation for the German-French friendship after centuries of war: we must find a good relationship with our neighbours. -- Gunnar ( talk) 14:21, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Mearsheimer may Have said some interesting things about NATO expansion, but he is surely no expert on Ukraine and therefore pretty irrelevant here. Rsk6400 ( talk) 17:36, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply

"Although the full extent of U.S. involvement has not yet come to light, it is clear that Washington backed the coup. Nuland and Republican Senator John McCain participated in antigovernment demonstrations, and Geoffrey Pyatt, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, proclaimed after Yanukovych’s toppling that it was “a day for the history books.” As a leaked telephone recording revealed, Nuland had advocated regime change and wanted the Ukrainian politician Arseniy Yatsenyuk to become prime minister in the new government, which he did. No wonder Russians of all persuasions think the West played a role in Yanukovych’s ouster." [18] I don't believe that this is irrelevant, especially not if that's one of the reasons the Russians boiled over. -- Gunnar ( talk) 22:27, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Gunnar.Kaestle: Please stop flooding my talk page with third-rate experts and pro-war propaganda. Rsk6400 ( talk) 05:38, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

I don't think you are right, when calling John Mearsheimer, or Noam Chomsky [19] or Klaus von Dohnanyi [20] third-rate expert which spread pro-war propaganda, only because they say something which you don't want to hear. The latter one pointed out that in American legislation, there is in law of torts the a rule of the so called "last clear chance". He points out that such a last clear chance to avoid the escalation in December 2021 was not used. -- Gunnar ( talk) 08:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello there! I want to clarify a misunderstanding The picture that you removed and I brought back in is not a glorification of slavery. Actually it is a rememberence of the Gullah people who preserved their traditions despite being suppresed. This does nothing to 'romantize slavery' but actually to show how one culture resisted the forced assimilation from slave owners. Slave owners did not want slaves to remember native languages or have any cultural memory of Africa. The fact that the author of this painting remains unknown also speaks volumes The Gullah are a certainly a unqique group among Black Americans but representing their unique angle is rather a showcase of their struggle - not justifying their oppression

Please be careful in making your judgments. As much as I reject your removal, I am reject even more so your characterization of my intentions.

Thanks and have agood day! Sunriseshore ( talk) 08:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Sunriseshore: My edit summary was, Removing romanticising depiction of slavery. That was absolutely no characterization of your intentions. I was referring to how I think the picture will be interpreted by the reader in the context of the article. If you think the picture should be restored, then please provide an edit summary (based on RS, of course) making it clear that it is showing an act of resistance and not the benevolence of enslavers who allowed the enslaved Africans ample time for playing and singing. The latter interpretation was a staple of pro-slavery or pro-Confederacy propaganda. I'd also like to ask you to provide more edit summaries in the future, because that makes communication easier. Rsk6400 ( talk) 11:20, 13 October 2023 (UTC) reply

I used the wrong word, it should read "please provide a caption (based on RS, of course)" Rsk6400 ( talk) 12:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello there! How are things going? Thanks for helping with the Southern History Article! Sunriseshore ( talk) 16:39, 27 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Hey there, I have made some more changes to the Southern History article. I admit- the level of racist language in the article before ubiqutous, could you come take a look at the article now? Maybe you can find some areas that still need to be corrected (in fact I am sure you will) but a second pair of eyes will help me a great deal!

Thanks! Sunriseshore ( talk) 01:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Thank you, I really feel honoured. I added some more observations and will continue to do so. I'm still really thankful that you are improving an article which I fear was one of the worst among our long articles. Rsk6400 ( talk) 10:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC) reply

I believe you removed this fact.(I can add all these more sources).

-”Ancestry.com also states that although they utilize African countries in their genetic results, it is to be interpreted as the regions where those modern day countries are located that hold their genetics since the modern day African countries were not formed until after the slave trade was over. This leads to why the ethnic group is called African American - their African ancestors are from mostly the entire West Coast and Central Africa, not from different countries, but several ethnic groups.An individual African American person can have over fifteen African ethnic groups in their genetic makeup alone due to the slave trade covering such vast areas.”-

This is common Knowledge that African Americans are from several ethnic groups and not modern day countries, both by Ancestry and more sources. Modern day African countries didn’t exists until after TransAtlantic slave trade ended. See this link (2nd paragraph)

And this one at Quartz

African Americans’ ethnic genetic history started prior to the formation of modern day countries. see 1500s map of West Africa at the start of the slave trade.

I can add these citations. This is important because it shows how the genetics are so vast in the African American ethnic group when they were sold into slavery. Most African ethnic groups who remained on the continent didn’t have such a huge variety of genetic mixing because they remained mostly within their respective groups.This is why African American genetics are quite different and a wider variety according to the government here. WayMaQueen ( talk) 13:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ WayMaQueen: Discussions about the article should take place on that article's talk page. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:35, 11 November 2023 (UTC) reply

You have added the context as you wanted. Your conditions for re-adding the mentions of Little Russia had been met. What the hell do you want now? Crash48 ( talk) 14:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Crash48: Please use appropriate language. It was not me, but you who took the discussion to all those different places. And now it seems you got yourself lost in that labyrinthic discussion. I already said something about OR, primary sources, and SYNTH. Rsk6400 ( talk) 14:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

It has been pointed out to you, multiple times by multiple users, that quoting primary sources is explicitly allowed by Wikipedia policy. Quoting a source, by definition, cannot be OR. Stop this nonsense already, or I'll have to take this to WP:A/R. Crash48 ( talk) 14:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Crash48: I'm pretty sure that I chose my words well when talking about OR and related problems. Feel free to continue this discussion on the article's talk page. You are of course also free to file an arbitration request, but I'm not sure that your success there will be better than it was at WP:NPOV/N. Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

You need to reach consensus on article talk page first. Manyareasexpert ( talk) 17:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Manyareasexpert:, since this is my talk page, "you" normally means me. But that makes no sense. Could you please clarify who you were addressing ? Rsk6400 ( talk) 17:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

I responded to @ Crash48. Manyareasexpert ( talk) 18:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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Hello, I noticed this curious removal on Talk:Icelanders. Taking a brief look at the contributions of the IP, it became active just a week after Rosenborg BK Fan was blocked, and seems to have the same Romania interest on top of randomly appearing on previously mentioned talk page to remove a section involving RBKF. If I have enough time, I'll create a sockpuppetry report later today. I thought you may want to know. TylerBurden ( talk) 20:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Update: Created investigation- TylerBurden ( talk) 20:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi Rsk6400! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Category:Republic of Crimea several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Category talk:Republic of Crimea, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Liz: That's not correct. I didn't edit the category, I only reverted at pages that were added to that new category. The discussion at Talk:Republic of Crimea currently shows there is no consensus for the establishment of the category (2 editors are in favour, 3 against). Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Liz: Could you please clarify ? It was you who restored my preferred version of the category (i.e. you restored the speedy deletion tag), and I don't blame you for that. I only reverted to status quo at several articles. Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 07:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC) reply

I saw you reverted my edit. if you have an objection please register it on the talk page. it is the last discussion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Caucasian_race Mrdthree ( talk) 07:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Mrdthree: Normally the editor who wants to change something is the one to start the discussion, see WP:BRD. Rsk6400 ( talk) 19:47, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply