El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors.
This is for you. Regards,
dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best,
El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Well I noticed and missed you! (Official
circularhere).
Novickas (
talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture
[1]... for all of your work.
Novickas (
talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Many thanks!
El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...
Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:
And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:
Also, two days ago I got to rub a
cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:
You look really good in your purple hat!
Bishonen |
talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).reply
Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect!
El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)reply
Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand?
Bishonen |
talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).reply
And then there's Skunky!
El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Oooo. Purdy!
Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! —
Coren(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi!
El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Seasons Greetings
Hello. Thanks,
SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Thx, everyone! Happy 2009!
El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)reply
El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --
Joopercoopers (
talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)reply
No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right).
El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)reply
"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --
Joopercoopers (
talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Book?
Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-)
KillerChihuahua?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)reply
OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. -
BilCat (
talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate.
El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) -
BilCat (
talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Romania
I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you.
Borsoka (
talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Ah, the thanks I get!
El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Nice. Thanks, Gerda!
El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Thank you. Good day,
see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is
WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have Posted the
Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the
Kirk Douglas RD got a
what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place!
El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated
a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's
a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Hey, by all means, if you feel
Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours.
El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with
the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Indeed,
countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of
Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the
Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD.El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise.
El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Gerda's corner
To help me better remember!
El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open.
TonyBallioni (
talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota!
TonyBallioni (
talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been
Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to
Jasmin Ariane!).
El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Lovely corner, thank you! Today is
The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get
Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by
voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with
Mar 0? (!).
El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone.
this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless.
El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend
LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Done.
Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse!
El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks for tagging me,
El_C!
Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it!
It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him.
PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting.
Jasmin Ariane (
talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the
Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to
Charlie Byrd right now (because I love
bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the
China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫
El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade.
El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as
iridescent as
Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best!El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Opa is now on the Main page,
Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, -
see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!
El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing.
El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
entirely my fault, I thought I had
the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like
הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example.
El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future.
El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
my next mistake,
DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to
Beethoven ;) - RfC for
Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (
כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity!
El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like
File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally?
El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata,
BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built
on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and
Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was
like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this
trying to revert a takeover? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar.
El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you, helped. I just found
this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at
User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out!
El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)reply
adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Lovely, lovely!
El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request.
El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) —
Chrisahn (
talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like
Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards,
El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{
ds/editnotice}} and {{
ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) —
Chrisahn (
talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I just type
T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember!
El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such?
Qexigator (
talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes,
Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the
MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid
WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards,
El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example
Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Haha! See what I mean,
Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda*El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.'
Qexigator (
talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The unquestionable elegance of
less is more.
El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it
in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Haha! All roads lead to
Ian Fleming, it seems.
Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk!
El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing!
El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".
I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on
the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (
diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of
critical drinking.El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss
Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare
Psalm 45 and
Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes*El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Haha! Dangerous terrain (
diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.)
El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
refreshed:
spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting!
El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks, I like that a lot!
El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Love the artwork of
Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is.
El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with
a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation.
WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per
WP:ARBINFOBOX2,
WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding
Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a
zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (
diff).
El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also
Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!).
El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Enjoy the music, and make
it last. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always,
El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Not usually a fan of
princes, but here's
one that really did music-it-up!
El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Agree about Johann Ernst!
The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the
beginning of reception? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology.
El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I agree, but who is "he"? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this!
El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to
where an estimated 95% of the content came from.
[2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Hoping for a D-. That would be about right.
El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry.
El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins
where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial.
El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told
Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay.
El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I have just set up an alternative account,
Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account,
Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)
{{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}
{{-}}
at the top, and
[[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]
at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?
As a token of good faith, I offer you "
Bella ciao" -
[3], which strikes me as right up your street.
Narky Blert (alt) (
talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez.
El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on...
Narky Blert (alt) (
talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)reply
But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo!El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Prayer for Ukraine
I took a pic in 2009 that was
on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English
Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is
Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had
Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No
NoPixel jokes, please! But yes
latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of
Rabbi Nachman?
El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)reply
See
Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the
Hasidic Movement, now known as the
Breslov (Hasidic group). Their
Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to
Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine.
El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I
decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day!
El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I listened to the charity concert
mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics).
Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today).
El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
thank you ;) - back to
Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word.
El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)reply
(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA
Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that.
El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see:
File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason).
El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Could you please do me a favour regarding
Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable.
El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi El C,
I know it was a while ago but I want to thank you for your patience with me on the Myanmar articles. I have a tendency to get flustered when coming under attack, so I made some mistakes when that happened with some new editors who happened to be from Myanmar. I have a lot of sympathy for their situation, though. I edit in that area because it's one of the most backwards regimes in the world but that gets very little attention. Anyway, thanks and happy holidays.
25stargeneral (
talk) 18:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry for the belated reply,
25stargeneral, and thank you for your kind words, it means a lot. Happy hollidays to you, too!
El_C 17:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm currently watching the top gear special in Myanmar. Happy Holidays El_C!
ScottishFinnishRadish (
talk) 17:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Happy Holidays to you, as well, my friend!
El_C 17:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi I am back with a new name! I'm planning on focusing my work going forward more on content creation. I regret being at times insensitive in my approach to other editors in the Myanmar area, so I just wanted to ask, if you happen to notice me editing in a less-than-collaborative way, could you please give me a nudge in the right direction, even if it doesn't rise to anything actionable? I would greatly appreciate it. I will go through the normal channels from now on if there is something that I believe needs admin attention.
TEMPO156 (
talk) 18:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
You've got mail!
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Thank you for the page protection, could you please restore the infobox image, the IP changed it right before you set the protection. Thank you, - FlightTime (
open channel) 16:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
And you reverted 30 minutes prior to that. That's just the luck of the draw.
El_C 17:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
As opposed to an edit warring veteran editor? It takes two to edit war, and you do not get supremacy over an IP editor by virtue of being a veteran editor. So you can take your
Wrong version complaint and sarcasm elsewhere.
El_C 17:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Works for me, even though I don't understand what is meant by you prob now (what is a "prob"?).
El_C 17:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I have tried to discuss this issue on the talk page, but I am met only with vague responses and rationalizations about why an obscure 1975 photo is somehow more appropriate. Instead user FlightTime seems to be giving off the feeling that he is superior and because "they said so" therefore the old photo must be sealed for eternity.
Are we serving the public on Wikipedia or our own interests? What would actually be more recognizable for the general public, a more recent photo of Mr. Lear (of which there are many, again just look at google image results), or a cropped and not easily identifiable one that some users are stubbornly insisting be used?
2604:3D09:6A85:6000:AC47:C232:AFD7:7802 (
talk) 18:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I know you tried, IP. If you end up at an impasse on the talk page, you could always try seeking a
Third opinion or even a more substantive
Request for comment. HTH.
El_C 18:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi. The EEA page keeps attracting some unwanted attention for the last month or so. I see that you've protected the page once already. Would it be possible to do it again?
Budsalone (
talk) 12:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected.
El_C 16:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Looks like you put an extended autoconfirmed protection at
Saturday Night Live (season 49) on the ground that it's related to the Arab-Israeli conflict because there was a minor edit war over whether to include the minor point that the role of
Elise Stefanik in the Congressional hearing on Anti-semitism was originally given to
Cecily Strong. I don't follow the logic.
The edit war had nothing to do with Anti-semitism per se, and absolutely nothing to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. It should be noted that
the article on the hearing in question is not protected at all. Please consider this a request to unprotect the article.
Isabela ciao (
talk) 17:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Isabela ciao, just because you fail to identify a connection does not make it absolutely this or that; nor am I interested in
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS whataboutism. That said, I'm not inherently opposed to unprotecting in a month or so, so feel free to remind me at that time.
El_C 17:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Which Indonesia-related articles that are extended protected?
Are there any Indonesia related articles on Wikipedia that are extended-protected?
JustYourImaginaryGuy (
talk) 01:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry,
Xeditboy, I don't have time to review this at present, so please feel free direct your request to
WP:RFPP/I.
El_C 12:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Request for creation-unprotection for the '
Ashton irwin' article
Can you please unprotect the '
Ashton irwin' article (with a lowercase 'i') from creation so I can create a redirect for it to the '
Ashton Irwin' article (with an uppercase 'I')?
PK2 (
talk) 03:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi, El_C, greetings of the new year! Can you please restore indef-semi at
Vikram Sampath? Thanks,
TrangaBellam (
talk) 12:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Done. And thanks, same to you.
El_C 12:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Same location pictured as 2019. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks, all the best for the coming year.
El_C 15:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you! - The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new
catalogue of his works was introduced, - my
story today. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
New pics, those cows again - click Year and go to bottom. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Nicely done! Thanks for the updates. Hope you enjoy your vacation, and do I even need to say, take lot's of pics?
El_C 20:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you, enjoying, taking tons of pictured, 23 chosen for 23 Jan, 6 uploaded, too tired for more - on my talk you see that it's the birthday of Mozart and our conductor ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)reply
A user yesterday has made personal attacks against me aggressively, I brought the issue to the notice of administrators, one user happened to advice the user to strike out their personal comments on me, they still haven't done that. If possible, could you please look into this issue? -Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Aggressive attacks for starting a discussion on an article's talk page | Removal of template
Thewikizoomer, it looks like another admin is already attending to it, so I'm not sure what there is for me to do right now...
El_C 09:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hey. No, no idea. Maybe he's finally staying outta trouble (unlikely). Good to see you, though. Don't be a stranger!
El_C 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Follow up on disruptive LTA
A while back I made this post on ANI regarding a long term disruptive user-
[5].
Unfortunately they're back at it again with their trolling and nonsense with two different ranges-
this 93.36 range and this
93.32 range. Look at some of his most recent edits-
[6] +
[7] +
[8]. I was hoping these two ranges could also be blocked for persistent vandalism.
Southasianhistorian8 (
talk) 21:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi. I take it this was resolved at ANI...?
El_C 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hey, unfortunately the user is back again with a different range. I filed a report at ANI but if you could look into it that would be great-
[9].
Southasianhistorian8 (
talk) 16:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Regarding
Indie soul, just a reminder that when you draftify an article from main space to Draft space, the remaining redirect needs to be deleted as a CSD R2. You can either delete it yourself or tag it for speedy deletion and an admin who patrols CSD categories can take care of it.
Thanks and have an awesome weekend! It's going to be frigid here in the Northwest U.S.. LizRead!Talk! 02:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I forgot. But will do, thanks for the reminder. Hope you have a great weekend, too, Liz. Keep warm! El_C 03:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Block of ASmallMapleLeaf
I believe this is quite an inappropriate block since blocks are preventative and not punitive. With the specific incivility and personal attacks aside, I don't see a reason for why they would continue to be disruptive outside that specific instance. I would have agreed more if a temporary block was issued at that time instead. What do you think? 0x
Deadbeef→∞ (
talk to me) 05:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Also, on the 7th edit crux you mentioned at their talk page, I think getting involved in administrative noticeboards while the account is new isn't an issue in and of itself. Well, they aren't new to our
WP:P&Gs, but I don't see that as a reason to believe that they would cause further disruption. Though I don't see it as necessary, a namespace block from WP/WT instead of a full indef would have been less BITE-y. 0x
Deadbeef→∞ (
talk to me) 05:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I disagree. I think that being as abrasive (as presented in the extensive evidence) by seemingly starting an aggressive anti-UNBLOCKABLES mission in one's 7th edit is what's inappropriate. And I continue to challenge that, absent an explanation, it is suspect. But feel free to take to the matter a wider forum.
El_C 06:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
As well, I believe that your position—presenting this user in the same breath as both new (i.e. BITE-y) and an experienced user (i.e. aren't new to our
WP:P&Gs)—is both inconsistent and sets a bad standard. About the conduct and direction from new-not-new users.
El_C 06:30, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
A little bit inconsistent, I would agree, but knowing how to cite policies and guidelines doesn't mean they are not a new user. From the comments they have made it doesn't appear to me that they have the same style of argument experienced users make. Perhaps they picked up some of the experienced-isque elements from reading internal discussions and policy pages, but they still appear new to me. 0x
Deadbeef→∞ (
talk to me) 06:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The two intermediate IP edits from 194.125.77.219 should probably be revdel'd as well, because they currently allow some of the problematic changes to be seen. - Sumanuil. (talk to me) 05:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Just wanted to clear it up, the reason I reverted here
[10] was not because it wasn't an inline citation, it was because of
WP:RSPSIMPLEFLYING where an RfC came to the consensus that SimpleFlying is not a reliable source and should not be used in articles. Just wanted to clear that up.
This was already
settled by the time you've written the above, VenFlyer98. Can we move on?
El_C 17:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I wasn’t trying to start anything again, I was literally just explaining myself since you initially responded that the source was good and wanted to make sure my reasoning was understood. Was just explaining myself, I already moved on…
You started by explaining to the IP how to cite inline, so I thought that meant you viewed their source as good. Otherwise why would you open with that and not with: 'sorry, it's a bad source, but if you have a good one, you do is this way'? So, yeah, I missed the second part, WP:RSPSIMPLEFLYING, which probably read like gibberish to me late last night. Coastie43's quoting it in full (with words), Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#SimpleFlying — that by contrast was immediately readable to me. Anyway, this entire conversation just seems so needless. But no biggie. See ya.
El_C 20:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SwiftFan2024: left a
note there, though that report was already closed. But you could have asked me about it at any time, and I'd have explained why semi was chosen over pc (or any other protection level). Oh well. Well, now you know.
El_C 04:33, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Nice, yeah for sure. That page was already Posted, though. TTYS.
El_C 04:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for trying! - The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and
Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to
music by Tchaikovsky (an article where
one of the four is pictured),
sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Listen to
music from Ukraine if you like, - I
heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I
sang in yesterday's. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:32, 24 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Will do, thanks for the recommend. I'm away for a bit, but hopefully will be back in a few weeks. Talk to you then. All the best,
El_C 16:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
An editor has asked for
a deletion review of
Ivan Katchanovski. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.
Alaexis¿question? 13:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
You usually go straight to DRV without discussion,
Alaexis? That's a thing that you do?
El_C 18:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
This is the first deletion review I've initiated in a long time (possibly ever). I didn't notice the instructions which are under the 15-item list of cases in which DRV should and shouldn't be used. Will definitely do this next time. Cheers!
Alaexis¿question? 22:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I see. Please note, though, that this is a general maxim (of
WP:CLOSECHALLENGE) that goes beyond the realm of deletion discussions. And it's just common sense, because I could have made the arguments that the two participants have made in the DRV discussion (both endorse) right here, you could have responded, etc. But you never gave such discussion a chance. The reasoning is that I might have convinced you of my position, thus, you could have spared the extra work for the folks at DRV. HTH.
El_C 22:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Spam-only accounts, cont'd
Hi El C, a couple of days ago you blocked two spammer accounts that I
reported to ANI. Well today they are back again under a new name, '
Bharatbarsha'. Could you have a look at it? Thanks in advance! —
AP 499D25(talk) 13:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Blockedindefinitely. Lucky, you got me right as I'm out the door. TTYS.
El_C 13:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I saw your response on ANI. I probably should have clarified, but when I said about bringing your block of Bobak to XRV, I meant you yourself bringing it there if you were concerned it would be against consensus (Which as of now it is not). I am aware my suggestion could have come accross as 'anyone can/should bring it to XRV', which was not what I was attempting to state and definitely not attempting or encouraging others to do so.
Oh, I see. But no need to apologize, though I appreciate it. It's just a rather obscure venue that is used seldom and not many know about. Take care.
El_C 16:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Also, in my pre-coffee state, I might have conflated you with A smart kitten, who was actively involved in that discussion (you were of course the user whose block was being reviewed there at the time) — shh, don't tell anyone!
El_C 16:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Apology for reverting good faith edits
@
El C You reverted my edits
here a while ago, and I did not notice until now. I thought that IP was subtly vandalizing, but I have now just realized that I misread the sentence multiple times and did not realize that IP was trying to fix a grammatical error. I apologize for the foolish edits I made and am sorry for the inconvenience.
Sure,
ItsCheck, but please make sure you learn from this, by double and triple checking your edits, and by treating any given IP editor in
good faith until proven otherwise. Because obviously changing "married with two children" into "married to two children" in a
biography of a living person is a very serious violation. Thanks for reaching out.
El_C 16:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Of course. I thought it was the other way around, so that is why I did it.
ItsCheck (
talk) 23:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
For the Arbitration Committee, ~ ToBeFree (
talk) 20:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Question
In regards to your response on my
request for page protection how would you recommend I go about initiating a discussion with an IP user who's IP is different every time they edit?
skarz (
talk) 17:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
On the article talk page, which stays the same regardless.
El_C 17:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
What I'm saying is doesn't it seem pointless to attempt to communicate with an individual who's sole purpose is to return to an account and revert my edit, each time from a different IP? Or perhaps it's a group of people since the IPs are in fact unique?
skarz (
talk) 18:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't know about any of that (not mentioned at the protection request), but what I do know is that the article talk page has not been meaningfully used by anyone since 2016. HTH.
El_C 18:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for uploading File:AgafTikshuv.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a
claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see
our policy for non-free media).
Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music!
El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!).
El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)reply
So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine.
Jr8825 •
Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)reply
... and
the premiere of Nabucco - I always wanted to go to that theatre where Idomeneo premiered, and they played Mozart! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Booksellers let's go!
El_C 18:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
El C one day I'd like to better understand what caused your loss of trust in Arbcom because that has been apparent to me for quite some time. For now though I thought I would point you to where the
policy for how to request recusals lives.
Barkeep49 (
talk) 10:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Could you reduce the protection level on this page? The problem-causing user has been indeffed and I’d like to be able to edit the article.
Dronebogus (
talk) 01:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Before making substantive edits, I'd recommend taking a good look at the talk page discussions, including those concerning a proposed new draft.
AndyTheGrump (
talk) 02:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
In any case, the protection has now expired.
El_C 20:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
talk page watcher) Not even the ArbCom can do this as the account is globally locked; they will need to appeal to stewards@wikimedia.org.
Black Kite (talk) 09:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
You declined 4/5 of my RFPP requests? Why? You said "Pages are not protected preemptively" but GS/RUSUKR says "If a page (other than a "Talk:" page) mostly or entirely relates to the topic area, broadly construed, this restriction is preferably enforced through extended confirmed protection," and "Only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area".@
El CMe Da Wikipedian (
talk) 00:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Me Da Wikipedian: per
WP:PREEMPTIVE, there needs to be recent issues before protecting. The last edit in one of the pages you nominated was 9 months ago, so that is quite Stale.
El_C 00:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Me Da Wikipedian: those would not. We're looking for days or a couple of weeks at most. For the most part, anything that's in the weeks or months would not qualify.
El_C 00:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello El C, having some
problems here.
I wanted to remedy my mistake (missing }}, but apparantly there is the new link to about.com which I never made. Would you be so kind as to take a closer look ? Thank you ever so much. Cheers
Lotje (
talk) 12:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi. Not sure, not seeing any relevant new filters or new additions to the blacklist (local or global). Maybe ask at
WP:VPT or
WP:EFN. Should have some more tech-inclined folks than myself who can shed light on this. HTH.
El_C 17:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Rationale for extending extended-confirmed protection to the entire
World Central Kitchen article?
Hi. I'm not very familiar with the custom of topic-based page protections. The policy states "all pages broadly related to a topic, as well as parts of other pages that are related to the topic". The page was already partially protected in regards to any information regarding the incident in Gaza, and there has been no vandalism.
Is this the norm of topic-based protections? E.g. it is not banned to edit the article
Legality of conversion therapy because of the "gender-related contentious topics; or the biography of
Wang Zhi'an merely because it contains information about him criticising
Falun Gong. I was about to add some information regarding past World Central Kitchen responses to natural disasters.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 01:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello. First, protection that is
WP:PREEMPTIVE is against the norms (not sure if that's clear to you). As for this
arbitration-enforcement sanction regime (the
WP:PIA topic area) its
WP:ECR requirement is split into two types of affected pages:
"primary articles," which represent a permanent and close connection to the topic area, and
"related content", whose connection is temporary and/or lesser. But as for the examples you pointed to above, neither
WP:ARBFLG nor
WP:ARBGS feature the ECR requirement. Still, in a broader sense, if a dispute pertaining to any applicable topic area becomes acute on any page, that sanction regime could be invoked (and regardless if it's a
community-authorized or
Arbitration Committee-authorized one). HTH.
El_C 02:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the information. So as I understand it from the
WP:PIA page, you applied ECR as you deem
World Central Kitchen to be a "primary article" under that regime? I would appreciate a confirmation. Thanks again for the explanation.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No, it's not primary, it's related, because that organization is active elsewhere in the world, like Ukraine. If it was only focused on its Gaza mission, then it would be deemed primary.El_C 03:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Ah okay. Then can you please remove the current form of protection which is applied to the entire page? The
WP:PIA "area of conflict" is defined as
4) For the purposes of editing restrictions in the ARBPIA topic area, the "area of conflict" shall be defined as encompassing
a. the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted ("primary articles"), and
b. edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace ("related content")
if I understand it correctly.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 04:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I don't follow. You don't provide a reasoning as to why I should "remove the current form of protection which is applied to the entire page," you just quote from that case. To what end? So, no, I don't think you understand it correctly, but I'm not sure if I can explain it better.
El_C 04:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
According to the "ARBPIA general sanctions" – Extended confirmed restriction: The extended confirmed restriction is imposed on the area of conflict.
Since you mentioned your rationale for the imposition of protection was that you deemed the article to contain related content, the general sanctions would not cover the imposition of whole-page protection. The related content was already explicitly protected as per the article talkpage. I am not an extended-confirmed user and I want to add information about past responses of WCK to natural disasters.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 04:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The only difference between primary and related is that
WP:ECP isn't applied indefinitely for the latter. Because in the future that org may be in the news and experience active editing disputes about, say, Haiti, which is not currently deemed a
contentious topic. But a page can only be protected in its entirety. I don't have discretion about the protection level itself. If you think you have a convincing case, you could request to get your
WP:XC status expedited at
WP:PERM#Extended confirmed, though.
El_C 04:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The "area of conflict" concept was introduced in
WP:ARBPIA4 following confusion about
Airbnb which included controversies regarding operation in West Bank settlements. So even though the article still contains the company's settlements controversy, the protection is not extended to the whole article. I might ask for a third opinion on this.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 05:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Again, I'm not sure I follow. It's a standard action. But sure, maybe someone else can explain it better than I. The latest disputes at
World Central Kitchen are related to the recent
World Central Kitchen drone strikes (which I also protected, as it happens). Both actions have been logged at
WP:AELOG/2024#PIA. HTH.
El_C 05:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
talk page watcher) Protection of any article related to the topic area, broadly construed, is permitted by the protection policy and the contentious topic procedures. In my experience, it is common practice to only temporarily protect pages which are only partially related. El C's protection was aligned with policy and practice.
Firefangledfeathers (
talk /
contribs) 12:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Gavin Menzies
I got an email explaining it was a student project. ". Students were told explicitly not to vandalize articles, although we do not have the class time for students to learn what constitutes a good Wikipedia edit before they complete the assignment. I hope the disruption caused by the assignment was minimal—at the very least, it should inspire a future generation of Wikipedia editors."
Doug Wellertalk 13:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks, Doug, that's interesting and a bit unexpected, but I should emphasize that I approached this from a wider lense. As in the long term issues the page has experienced intermittently, resulting in multiple protections from 2010 to the present day. Usually, these protections have been in the months, but the last two were for one year each (2017-2018 and 2019-2020, respectively), so I went for 2 years this time. But next time that page experiences major problems, whatever that reason may be, I think that the protection should be set not to expire. Best,
El_C 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I like to see
Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it
my story. - How do you like the statue (look up places)? - I was undecided so show three versions ;) - Did you "pet" the calf (see March)? Did I tell you that the psalms are now done in Hebrew, even with translations into English?? Thanks to someone tireless. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The statue is of
Hildegard of Bingen, and as it happens, her
Physica is on the Main page today, and
Marian Anderson as
my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below (on my talk) three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 14:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Ballet in and of
Appalachia — now I (haven't) seen it all!
El_C 14:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
My
story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, about a shepherd, and then I saw plenty of sheep from the bike, and I just returned from a (long) opera about the same age, with soprano
Pretty Yende. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
O' Euroland, where one could ride their to the opera (which is to say, at all).
El_C 07:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page - yesterday
a great recital with many anti-war songs by Jewish composers whose music banned by the Nazis. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 19:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
today a sad task - memory of
Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The juveniles' eyes — okay. But the adult one — how is that forward facing? 🐑
El_C 12:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
A kitten for you!
Thanks for being so positive and active on the wiki, may you continue finding it rewarding and something you enjoy :3
Thanks,
Ixtal, that's very kind of you.
El_C 14:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Order of the Arrow
Would like a reference for "previously known as" - that change has not been made. I would be happy to help maintain this page.
dugbrown 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, what is the question? Are you unable to edit
Order of the Arrow, but would like to do so? Is that the issue?
El_C 12:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes or would at least like a reference for the "Previously Known As" statement. @
El CDoug (
talk) 13:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm not exactly sure what is meant by that (it's been many years since that article has even crossed my mind), but you should be good to go now.
El_C 14:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
User:Shoot for the Stars
FYI, on being unblocked this user has immediately re-created
Elliott Rodger, which was redirected a significant time ago and was the subject of a number of discussions.
Black Kite (talk) 07:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Belatedly: the page/redirect you linked to above has not been edited by anyone in years, so you lost me.
El_C 11:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You semi'd the page indefinitely, but you appear to have forgotten to reset the pending changes. With indef semi now in place, this obviously is not needed anymore.
Lynch44 (
talk) 00:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Your appeal is incomplete because it only links to a previously failed appeal, but not to anything I did (the original enforcement action).
El_C 17:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reverting the edit of Maratha Empire article
Hi, it appears that you recently reverted the article on the
Maratha Empire to a previous version. However, the prior version indicated a date of 1758, not 1760. Additionally, other articles about historical empires include maps from when they were at their peak, so the map from 1758 would be accurate in this context. The statement "Maratha Empire at its peak in 1760" contradicts the earlier map date. The map from 1758 is available on Wikimedia That's why I edited the map of 1760 to 1758 because the description under it was wrong. Seems like Wikipedia editors are biased. Also, there is a talk section about this topic in that article but no one discussed before editing.
2402:8100:387D:609D:AC52:E91E:48D4:A649 (
talk) 12:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You have used multiple IPs to
edit war that change, some of which while
block evading, and you wonder why no one wishes to engage your brief yet confusing and poorly-written
talk page comment from April 22? In this context, your Seems like Wikipedia editors are biased seems unsubstantive and falls short. There may be a language barrier that at this time is insurmountable. This is the
English Wikipedia, which means that there is a requirement that one would be
sufficiently competent in its use in order to
communicate clearly.
El_C 13:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Question
Hi El C, I just want to bump the question I asked you last month up at
#Thanks re Myanmar. I thought maybe you didn't see it because I added it all the way up there.
TEMPO156 (
talk) 00:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hey. Sorry, I did indeed miss your comment at that time. In answer to your question: no, nothing recent comes to mind. HTH. Regards,
El_C 04:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I believe you are the Wikipedia administrator who added Extended Confirmation Protection to
Standoff at Eagle Pass. Can the protection for this page be reduced to semi-protected, due to the need for updates related to the topic (the banner has been there since February 2024) and the reduced news coverage and controversy about the event.
Side-note: I have extended confirmation protection editing power (500+ edits, more than 30 days).
JohnAdams1800 (
talk) 01:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The protection overall is gonna expire soon'ish (July), but sure, sounds good (
log update).
El_C 04:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Siege of Szigetvár and Nikola IV Zrinski
HI El C. I made a couple of edits on Wikipedia. I think I'm right, maybe I'm not. Two users disagree with me, one from the Battle for Sigetvar, the other from Nikola IV Zrinski, but no one else. I think that unverified images with unknown authors have no place on Wikipedia. Then everyone can post unverified pictures with unknown authors. I think there must be a rule for that in wikipedia, maybe there isn't. So I would like your opinion on that. See my Wikipedia edits. Thank you.
78.2.236.99 (
talk) 16:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello. Yeah, sorry, I do think you're wrong here. Just because the 16th century author is unknown, doesn't mean the painting is "unverified." See
https://en.mng.hu/artworks/34295 — I personally am inclined to trust the curators of the
Hungarian National Gallery. But you can always bring any concerns or issue to the
article talk page. That is where that discussion belongs.
El_C 21:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for protecting those templates :)
For context, I was going through
these and finding the ones with >5k transclusions that MusikBot hadn't yet upgraded to TPE. I started listing them at RFPP/I before it occurred to me that -- if I added them all in one set -- I might accidentally cause people to be annoyed with me for flooding the page. Having said that, if you don't mind protecting some more, would it be okay if I listed the remaining ones from that list with >5k transclusions here? (If you do mind, it's not a problem of course!)
(Courtesy ping
MusikAnimal - there might be nothing wrong with the bot, but thought I should ping you just in case, due to the number of templates with >5k transclusions that MusikBot II hadn't yet upgraded the protection of.) All the best, —a smart kitten[
meow 23:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Done. Regards,
El_C 23:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors.
This is for you. Regards,
dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best,
El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Well I noticed and missed you! (Official
circularhere).
Novickas (
talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture
[1]... for all of your work.
Novickas (
talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Many thanks!
El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...
Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:
And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:
Also, two days ago I got to rub a
cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:
You look really good in your purple hat!
Bishonen |
talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).reply
Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect!
El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)reply
Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand?
Bishonen |
talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).reply
And then there's Skunky!
El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Oooo. Purdy!
Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! —
Coren(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi!
El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Seasons Greetings
Hello. Thanks,
SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Thx, everyone! Happy 2009!
El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)reply
El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --
Joopercoopers (
talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)reply
No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right).
El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)reply
"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --
Joopercoopers (
talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Book?
Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-)
KillerChihuahua?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)reply
OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. -
BilCat (
talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate.
El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) -
BilCat (
talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Romania
I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you.
Borsoka (
talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Ah, the thanks I get!
El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Nice. Thanks, Gerda!
El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Thank you. Good day,
see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is
WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have Posted the
Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the
Kirk Douglas RD got a
what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place!
El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated
a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's
a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Hey, by all means, if you feel
Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours.
El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with
the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Indeed,
countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of
Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the
Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD.El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise.
El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Gerda's corner
To help me better remember!
El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open.
TonyBallioni (
talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota!
TonyBallioni (
talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been
Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to
Jasmin Ariane!).
El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Lovely corner, thank you! Today is
The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get
Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by
voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with
Mar 0? (!).
El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone.
this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless.
El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend
LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Done.
Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse!
El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks for tagging me,
El_C!
Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it!
It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him.
PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting.
Jasmin Ariane (
talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)reply
♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the
Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to
Charlie Byrd right now (because I love
bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the
China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫
El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade.
El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as
iridescent as
Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best!El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Opa is now on the Main page,
Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, -
see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!
El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing.
El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
entirely my fault, I thought I had
the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like
הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example.
El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future.
El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
my next mistake,
DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to
Beethoven ;) - RfC for
Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (
כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity!
El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like
File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally?
El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata,
BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built
on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and
Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was
like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this
trying to revert a takeover? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar.
El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you, helped. I just found
this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at
User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out!
El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)reply
adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Lovely, lovely!
El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request.
El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) —
Chrisahn (
talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like
Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards,
El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{
ds/editnotice}} and {{
ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) —
Chrisahn (
talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I just type
T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember!
El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such?
Qexigator (
talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes,
Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the
MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid
WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards,
El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example
Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Haha! See what I mean,
Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda*El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.'
Qexigator (
talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The unquestionable elegance of
less is more.
El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it
in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)reply
yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Haha! All roads lead to
Ian Fleming, it seems.
Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk!
El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing!
El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".
I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on
the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (
diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of
critical drinking.El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss
Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare
Psalm 45 and
Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes*El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Haha! Dangerous terrain (
diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.)
El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
refreshed:
spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting!
El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks, I like that a lot!
El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)reply
One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Love the artwork of
Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is.
El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with
a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation.
WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per
WP:ARBINFOBOX2,
WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding
Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a
zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (
diff).
El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also
Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!).
El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)reply
For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Enjoy the music, and make
it last. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always,
El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Not usually a fan of
princes, but here's
one that really did music-it-up!
El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Agree about Johann Ernst!
The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the
beginning of reception? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology.
El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I agree, but who is "he"? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this!
El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to
where an estimated 95% of the content came from.
[2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Hoping for a D-. That would be about right.
El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry.
El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins
where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial.
El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told
Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay.
El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)reply
I have just set up an alternative account,
Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account,
Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)
{{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}
{{-}}
at the top, and
[[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]
at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?
As a token of good faith, I offer you "
Bella ciao" -
[3], which strikes me as right up your street.
Narky Blert (alt) (
talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez.
El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on...
Narky Blert (alt) (
talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)reply
But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo!El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Prayer for Ukraine
I took a pic in 2009 that was
on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English
Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is
Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had
Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No
NoPixel jokes, please! But yes
latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of
Rabbi Nachman?
El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)reply
See
Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the
Hasidic Movement, now known as the
Breslov (Hasidic group). Their
Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to
Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine.
El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I
decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day!
El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I listened to the charity concert
mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics).
Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today).
El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
thank you ;) - back to
Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word.
El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)reply
(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA
Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that.
El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see:
File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason).
El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Could you please do me a favour regarding
Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable.
El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi El C,
I know it was a while ago but I want to thank you for your patience with me on the Myanmar articles. I have a tendency to get flustered when coming under attack, so I made some mistakes when that happened with some new editors who happened to be from Myanmar. I have a lot of sympathy for their situation, though. I edit in that area because it's one of the most backwards regimes in the world but that gets very little attention. Anyway, thanks and happy holidays.
25stargeneral (
talk) 18:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry for the belated reply,
25stargeneral, and thank you for your kind words, it means a lot. Happy hollidays to you, too!
El_C 17:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm currently watching the top gear special in Myanmar. Happy Holidays El_C!
ScottishFinnishRadish (
talk) 17:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Happy Holidays to you, as well, my friend!
El_C 17:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi I am back with a new name! I'm planning on focusing my work going forward more on content creation. I regret being at times insensitive in my approach to other editors in the Myanmar area, so I just wanted to ask, if you happen to notice me editing in a less-than-collaborative way, could you please give me a nudge in the right direction, even if it doesn't rise to anything actionable? I would greatly appreciate it. I will go through the normal channels from now on if there is something that I believe needs admin attention.
TEMPO156 (
talk) 18:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Thank you for the page protection, could you please restore the infobox image, the IP changed it right before you set the protection. Thank you, - FlightTime (
open channel) 16:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
And you reverted 30 minutes prior to that. That's just the luck of the draw.
El_C 17:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
As opposed to an edit warring veteran editor? It takes two to edit war, and you do not get supremacy over an IP editor by virtue of being a veteran editor. So you can take your
Wrong version complaint and sarcasm elsewhere.
El_C 17:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Works for me, even though I don't understand what is meant by you prob now (what is a "prob"?).
El_C 17:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I have tried to discuss this issue on the talk page, but I am met only with vague responses and rationalizations about why an obscure 1975 photo is somehow more appropriate. Instead user FlightTime seems to be giving off the feeling that he is superior and because "they said so" therefore the old photo must be sealed for eternity.
Are we serving the public on Wikipedia or our own interests? What would actually be more recognizable for the general public, a more recent photo of Mr. Lear (of which there are many, again just look at google image results), or a cropped and not easily identifiable one that some users are stubbornly insisting be used?
2604:3D09:6A85:6000:AC47:C232:AFD7:7802 (
talk) 18:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I know you tried, IP. If you end up at an impasse on the talk page, you could always try seeking a
Third opinion or even a more substantive
Request for comment. HTH.
El_C 18:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi. The EEA page keeps attracting some unwanted attention for the last month or so. I see that you've protected the page once already. Would it be possible to do it again?
Budsalone (
talk) 12:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected.
El_C 16:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Looks like you put an extended autoconfirmed protection at
Saturday Night Live (season 49) on the ground that it's related to the Arab-Israeli conflict because there was a minor edit war over whether to include the minor point that the role of
Elise Stefanik in the Congressional hearing on Anti-semitism was originally given to
Cecily Strong. I don't follow the logic.
The edit war had nothing to do with Anti-semitism per se, and absolutely nothing to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. It should be noted that
the article on the hearing in question is not protected at all. Please consider this a request to unprotect the article.
Isabela ciao (
talk) 17:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Isabela ciao, just because you fail to identify a connection does not make it absolutely this or that; nor am I interested in
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS whataboutism. That said, I'm not inherently opposed to unprotecting in a month or so, so feel free to remind me at that time.
El_C 17:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Which Indonesia-related articles that are extended protected?
Are there any Indonesia related articles on Wikipedia that are extended-protected?
JustYourImaginaryGuy (
talk) 01:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry,
Xeditboy, I don't have time to review this at present, so please feel free direct your request to
WP:RFPP/I.
El_C 12:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Request for creation-unprotection for the '
Ashton irwin' article
Can you please unprotect the '
Ashton irwin' article (with a lowercase 'i') from creation so I can create a redirect for it to the '
Ashton Irwin' article (with an uppercase 'I')?
PK2 (
talk) 03:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi, El_C, greetings of the new year! Can you please restore indef-semi at
Vikram Sampath? Thanks,
TrangaBellam (
talk) 12:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Done. And thanks, same to you.
El_C 12:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Same location pictured as 2019. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks, all the best for the coming year.
El_C 15:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you! - The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new
catalogue of his works was introduced, - my
story today. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
New pics, those cows again - click Year and go to bottom. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Nicely done! Thanks for the updates. Hope you enjoy your vacation, and do I even need to say, take lot's of pics?
El_C 20:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you, enjoying, taking tons of pictured, 23 chosen for 23 Jan, 6 uploaded, too tired for more - on my talk you see that it's the birthday of Mozart and our conductor ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)reply
A user yesterday has made personal attacks against me aggressively, I brought the issue to the notice of administrators, one user happened to advice the user to strike out their personal comments on me, they still haven't done that. If possible, could you please look into this issue? -Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Aggressive attacks for starting a discussion on an article's talk page | Removal of template
Thewikizoomer, it looks like another admin is already attending to it, so I'm not sure what there is for me to do right now...
El_C 09:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hey. No, no idea. Maybe he's finally staying outta trouble (unlikely). Good to see you, though. Don't be a stranger!
El_C 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Follow up on disruptive LTA
A while back I made this post on ANI regarding a long term disruptive user-
[5].
Unfortunately they're back at it again with their trolling and nonsense with two different ranges-
this 93.36 range and this
93.32 range. Look at some of his most recent edits-
[6] +
[7] +
[8]. I was hoping these two ranges could also be blocked for persistent vandalism.
Southasianhistorian8 (
talk) 21:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi. I take it this was resolved at ANI...?
El_C 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hey, unfortunately the user is back again with a different range. I filed a report at ANI but if you could look into it that would be great-
[9].
Southasianhistorian8 (
talk) 16:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Regarding
Indie soul, just a reminder that when you draftify an article from main space to Draft space, the remaining redirect needs to be deleted as a CSD R2. You can either delete it yourself or tag it for speedy deletion and an admin who patrols CSD categories can take care of it.
Thanks and have an awesome weekend! It's going to be frigid here in the Northwest U.S.. LizRead!Talk! 02:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I forgot. But will do, thanks for the reminder. Hope you have a great weekend, too, Liz. Keep warm! El_C 03:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Block of ASmallMapleLeaf
I believe this is quite an inappropriate block since blocks are preventative and not punitive. With the specific incivility and personal attacks aside, I don't see a reason for why they would continue to be disruptive outside that specific instance. I would have agreed more if a temporary block was issued at that time instead. What do you think? 0x
Deadbeef→∞ (
talk to me) 05:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Also, on the 7th edit crux you mentioned at their talk page, I think getting involved in administrative noticeboards while the account is new isn't an issue in and of itself. Well, they aren't new to our
WP:P&Gs, but I don't see that as a reason to believe that they would cause further disruption. Though I don't see it as necessary, a namespace block from WP/WT instead of a full indef would have been less BITE-y. 0x
Deadbeef→∞ (
talk to me) 05:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I disagree. I think that being as abrasive (as presented in the extensive evidence) by seemingly starting an aggressive anti-UNBLOCKABLES mission in one's 7th edit is what's inappropriate. And I continue to challenge that, absent an explanation, it is suspect. But feel free to take to the matter a wider forum.
El_C 06:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
As well, I believe that your position—presenting this user in the same breath as both new (i.e. BITE-y) and an experienced user (i.e. aren't new to our
WP:P&Gs)—is both inconsistent and sets a bad standard. About the conduct and direction from new-not-new users.
El_C 06:30, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
A little bit inconsistent, I would agree, but knowing how to cite policies and guidelines doesn't mean they are not a new user. From the comments they have made it doesn't appear to me that they have the same style of argument experienced users make. Perhaps they picked up some of the experienced-isque elements from reading internal discussions and policy pages, but they still appear new to me. 0x
Deadbeef→∞ (
talk to me) 06:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The two intermediate IP edits from 194.125.77.219 should probably be revdel'd as well, because they currently allow some of the problematic changes to be seen. - Sumanuil. (talk to me) 05:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Just wanted to clear it up, the reason I reverted here
[10] was not because it wasn't an inline citation, it was because of
WP:RSPSIMPLEFLYING where an RfC came to the consensus that SimpleFlying is not a reliable source and should not be used in articles. Just wanted to clear that up.
This was already
settled by the time you've written the above, VenFlyer98. Can we move on?
El_C 17:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I wasn’t trying to start anything again, I was literally just explaining myself since you initially responded that the source was good and wanted to make sure my reasoning was understood. Was just explaining myself, I already moved on…
You started by explaining to the IP how to cite inline, so I thought that meant you viewed their source as good. Otherwise why would you open with that and not with: 'sorry, it's a bad source, but if you have a good one, you do is this way'? So, yeah, I missed the second part, WP:RSPSIMPLEFLYING, which probably read like gibberish to me late last night. Coastie43's quoting it in full (with words), Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#SimpleFlying — that by contrast was immediately readable to me. Anyway, this entire conversation just seems so needless. But no biggie. See ya.
El_C 20:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SwiftFan2024: left a
note there, though that report was already closed. But you could have asked me about it at any time, and I'd have explained why semi was chosen over pc (or any other protection level). Oh well. Well, now you know.
El_C 04:33, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Nice, yeah for sure. That page was already Posted, though. TTYS.
El_C 04:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for trying! - The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and
Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to
music by Tchaikovsky (an article where
one of the four is pictured),
sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Listen to
music from Ukraine if you like, - I
heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I
sang in yesterday's. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:32, 24 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Will do, thanks for the recommend. I'm away for a bit, but hopefully will be back in a few weeks. Talk to you then. All the best,
El_C 16:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
An editor has asked for
a deletion review of
Ivan Katchanovski. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.
Alaexis¿question? 13:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
You usually go straight to DRV without discussion,
Alaexis? That's a thing that you do?
El_C 18:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
This is the first deletion review I've initiated in a long time (possibly ever). I didn't notice the instructions which are under the 15-item list of cases in which DRV should and shouldn't be used. Will definitely do this next time. Cheers!
Alaexis¿question? 22:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I see. Please note, though, that this is a general maxim (of
WP:CLOSECHALLENGE) that goes beyond the realm of deletion discussions. And it's just common sense, because I could have made the arguments that the two participants have made in the DRV discussion (both endorse) right here, you could have responded, etc. But you never gave such discussion a chance. The reasoning is that I might have convinced you of my position, thus, you could have spared the extra work for the folks at DRV. HTH.
El_C 22:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Spam-only accounts, cont'd
Hi El C, a couple of days ago you blocked two spammer accounts that I
reported to ANI. Well today they are back again under a new name, '
Bharatbarsha'. Could you have a look at it? Thanks in advance! —
AP 499D25(talk) 13:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Blockedindefinitely. Lucky, you got me right as I'm out the door. TTYS.
El_C 13:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I saw your response on ANI. I probably should have clarified, but when I said about bringing your block of Bobak to XRV, I meant you yourself bringing it there if you were concerned it would be against consensus (Which as of now it is not). I am aware my suggestion could have come accross as 'anyone can/should bring it to XRV', which was not what I was attempting to state and definitely not attempting or encouraging others to do so.
Oh, I see. But no need to apologize, though I appreciate it. It's just a rather obscure venue that is used seldom and not many know about. Take care.
El_C 16:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Also, in my pre-coffee state, I might have conflated you with A smart kitten, who was actively involved in that discussion (you were of course the user whose block was being reviewed there at the time) — shh, don't tell anyone!
El_C 16:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Apology for reverting good faith edits
@
El C You reverted my edits
here a while ago, and I did not notice until now. I thought that IP was subtly vandalizing, but I have now just realized that I misread the sentence multiple times and did not realize that IP was trying to fix a grammatical error. I apologize for the foolish edits I made and am sorry for the inconvenience.
Sure,
ItsCheck, but please make sure you learn from this, by double and triple checking your edits, and by treating any given IP editor in
good faith until proven otherwise. Because obviously changing "married with two children" into "married to two children" in a
biography of a living person is a very serious violation. Thanks for reaching out.
El_C 16:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Of course. I thought it was the other way around, so that is why I did it.
ItsCheck (
talk) 23:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)reply
For the Arbitration Committee, ~ ToBeFree (
talk) 20:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Question
In regards to your response on my
request for page protection how would you recommend I go about initiating a discussion with an IP user who's IP is different every time they edit?
skarz (
talk) 17:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
On the article talk page, which stays the same regardless.
El_C 17:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
What I'm saying is doesn't it seem pointless to attempt to communicate with an individual who's sole purpose is to return to an account and revert my edit, each time from a different IP? Or perhaps it's a group of people since the IPs are in fact unique?
skarz (
talk) 18:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't know about any of that (not mentioned at the protection request), but what I do know is that the article talk page has not been meaningfully used by anyone since 2016. HTH.
El_C 18:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for uploading File:AgafTikshuv.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a
claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see
our policy for non-free media).
Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music!
El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!).
El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)reply
So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine.
Jr8825 •
Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)reply
... and
the premiere of Nabucco - I always wanted to go to that theatre where Idomeneo premiered, and they played Mozart! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Booksellers let's go!
El_C 18:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
El C one day I'd like to better understand what caused your loss of trust in Arbcom because that has been apparent to me for quite some time. For now though I thought I would point you to where the
policy for how to request recusals lives.
Barkeep49 (
talk) 10:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Could you reduce the protection level on this page? The problem-causing user has been indeffed and I’d like to be able to edit the article.
Dronebogus (
talk) 01:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Before making substantive edits, I'd recommend taking a good look at the talk page discussions, including those concerning a proposed new draft.
AndyTheGrump (
talk) 02:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
In any case, the protection has now expired.
El_C 20:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(
talk page watcher) Not even the ArbCom can do this as the account is globally locked; they will need to appeal to stewards@wikimedia.org.
Black Kite (talk) 09:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
You declined 4/5 of my RFPP requests? Why? You said "Pages are not protected preemptively" but GS/RUSUKR says "If a page (other than a "Talk:" page) mostly or entirely relates to the topic area, broadly construed, this restriction is preferably enforced through extended confirmed protection," and "Only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area".@
El CMe Da Wikipedian (
talk) 00:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Me Da Wikipedian: per
WP:PREEMPTIVE, there needs to be recent issues before protecting. The last edit in one of the pages you nominated was 9 months ago, so that is quite Stale.
El_C 00:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Me Da Wikipedian: those would not. We're looking for days or a couple of weeks at most. For the most part, anything that's in the weeks or months would not qualify.
El_C 00:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello El C, having some
problems here.
I wanted to remedy my mistake (missing }}, but apparantly there is the new link to about.com which I never made. Would you be so kind as to take a closer look ? Thank you ever so much. Cheers
Lotje (
talk) 12:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi. Not sure, not seeing any relevant new filters or new additions to the blacklist (local or global). Maybe ask at
WP:VPT or
WP:EFN. Should have some more tech-inclined folks than myself who can shed light on this. HTH.
El_C 17:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Rationale for extending extended-confirmed protection to the entire
World Central Kitchen article?
Hi. I'm not very familiar with the custom of topic-based page protections. The policy states "all pages broadly related to a topic, as well as parts of other pages that are related to the topic". The page was already partially protected in regards to any information regarding the incident in Gaza, and there has been no vandalism.
Is this the norm of topic-based protections? E.g. it is not banned to edit the article
Legality of conversion therapy because of the "gender-related contentious topics; or the biography of
Wang Zhi'an merely because it contains information about him criticising
Falun Gong. I was about to add some information regarding past World Central Kitchen responses to natural disasters.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 01:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello. First, protection that is
WP:PREEMPTIVE is against the norms (not sure if that's clear to you). As for this
arbitration-enforcement sanction regime (the
WP:PIA topic area) its
WP:ECR requirement is split into two types of affected pages:
"primary articles," which represent a permanent and close connection to the topic area, and
"related content", whose connection is temporary and/or lesser. But as for the examples you pointed to above, neither
WP:ARBFLG nor
WP:ARBGS feature the ECR requirement. Still, in a broader sense, if a dispute pertaining to any applicable topic area becomes acute on any page, that sanction regime could be invoked (and regardless if it's a
community-authorized or
Arbitration Committee-authorized one). HTH.
El_C 02:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the information. So as I understand it from the
WP:PIA page, you applied ECR as you deem
World Central Kitchen to be a "primary article" under that regime? I would appreciate a confirmation. Thanks again for the explanation.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No, it's not primary, it's related, because that organization is active elsewhere in the world, like Ukraine. If it was only focused on its Gaza mission, then it would be deemed primary.El_C 03:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Ah okay. Then can you please remove the current form of protection which is applied to the entire page? The
WP:PIA "area of conflict" is defined as
4) For the purposes of editing restrictions in the ARBPIA topic area, the "area of conflict" shall be defined as encompassing
a. the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted ("primary articles"), and
b. edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace ("related content")
if I understand it correctly.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 04:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I don't follow. You don't provide a reasoning as to why I should "remove the current form of protection which is applied to the entire page," you just quote from that case. To what end? So, no, I don't think you understand it correctly, but I'm not sure if I can explain it better.
El_C 04:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
According to the "ARBPIA general sanctions" – Extended confirmed restriction: The extended confirmed restriction is imposed on the area of conflict.
Since you mentioned your rationale for the imposition of protection was that you deemed the article to contain related content, the general sanctions would not cover the imposition of whole-page protection. The related content was already explicitly protected as per the article talkpage. I am not an extended-confirmed user and I want to add information about past responses of WCK to natural disasters.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 04:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The only difference between primary and related is that
WP:ECP isn't applied indefinitely for the latter. Because in the future that org may be in the news and experience active editing disputes about, say, Haiti, which is not currently deemed a
contentious topic. But a page can only be protected in its entirety. I don't have discretion about the protection level itself. If you think you have a convincing case, you could request to get your
WP:XC status expedited at
WP:PERM#Extended confirmed, though.
El_C 04:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The "area of conflict" concept was introduced in
WP:ARBPIA4 following confusion about
Airbnb which included controversies regarding operation in West Bank settlements. So even though the article still contains the company's settlements controversy, the protection is not extended to the whole article. I might ask for a third opinion on this.
Y. Dongchen (
talk) 05:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Again, I'm not sure I follow. It's a standard action. But sure, maybe someone else can explain it better than I. The latest disputes at
World Central Kitchen are related to the recent
World Central Kitchen drone strikes (which I also protected, as it happens). Both actions have been logged at
WP:AELOG/2024#PIA. HTH.
El_C 05:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
(
talk page watcher) Protection of any article related to the topic area, broadly construed, is permitted by the protection policy and the contentious topic procedures. In my experience, it is common practice to only temporarily protect pages which are only partially related. El C's protection was aligned with policy and practice.
Firefangledfeathers (
talk /
contribs) 12:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Gavin Menzies
I got an email explaining it was a student project. ". Students were told explicitly not to vandalize articles, although we do not have the class time for students to learn what constitutes a good Wikipedia edit before they complete the assignment. I hope the disruption caused by the assignment was minimal—at the very least, it should inspire a future generation of Wikipedia editors."
Doug Wellertalk 13:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks, Doug, that's interesting and a bit unexpected, but I should emphasize that I approached this from a wider lense. As in the long term issues the page has experienced intermittently, resulting in multiple protections from 2010 to the present day. Usually, these protections have been in the months, but the last two were for one year each (2017-2018 and 2019-2020, respectively), so I went for 2 years this time. But next time that page experiences major problems, whatever that reason may be, I think that the protection should be set not to expire. Best,
El_C 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I like to see
Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it
my story. - How do you like the statue (look up places)? - I was undecided so show three versions ;) - Did you "pet" the calf (see March)? Did I tell you that the psalms are now done in Hebrew, even with translations into English?? Thanks to someone tireless. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The statue is of
Hildegard of Bingen, and as it happens, her
Physica is on the Main page today, and
Marian Anderson as
my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below (on my talk) three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 14:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Ballet in and of
Appalachia — now I (haven't) seen it all!
El_C 14:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
My
story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, about a shepherd, and then I saw plenty of sheep from the bike, and I just returned from a (long) opera about the same age, with soprano
Pretty Yende. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 23:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
O' Euroland, where one could ride their to the opera (which is to say, at all).
El_C 07:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page - yesterday
a great recital with many anti-war songs by Jewish composers whose music banned by the Nazis. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 19:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
today a sad task - memory of
Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The juveniles' eyes — okay. But the adult one — how is that forward facing? 🐑
El_C 12:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
A kitten for you!
Thanks for being so positive and active on the wiki, may you continue finding it rewarding and something you enjoy :3
Thanks,
Ixtal, that's very kind of you.
El_C 14:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Order of the Arrow
Would like a reference for "previously known as" - that change has not been made. I would be happy to help maintain this page.
dugbrown 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, what is the question? Are you unable to edit
Order of the Arrow, but would like to do so? Is that the issue?
El_C 12:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes or would at least like a reference for the "Previously Known As" statement. @
El CDoug (
talk) 13:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm not exactly sure what is meant by that (it's been many years since that article has even crossed my mind), but you should be good to go now.
El_C 14:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
User:Shoot for the Stars
FYI, on being unblocked this user has immediately re-created
Elliott Rodger, which was redirected a significant time ago and was the subject of a number of discussions.
Black Kite (talk) 07:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Belatedly: the page/redirect you linked to above has not been edited by anyone in years, so you lost me.
El_C 11:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You semi'd the page indefinitely, but you appear to have forgotten to reset the pending changes. With indef semi now in place, this obviously is not needed anymore.
Lynch44 (
talk) 00:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Your appeal is incomplete because it only links to a previously failed appeal, but not to anything I did (the original enforcement action).
El_C 17:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reverting the edit of Maratha Empire article
Hi, it appears that you recently reverted the article on the
Maratha Empire to a previous version. However, the prior version indicated a date of 1758, not 1760. Additionally, other articles about historical empires include maps from when they were at their peak, so the map from 1758 would be accurate in this context. The statement "Maratha Empire at its peak in 1760" contradicts the earlier map date. The map from 1758 is available on Wikimedia That's why I edited the map of 1760 to 1758 because the description under it was wrong. Seems like Wikipedia editors are biased. Also, there is a talk section about this topic in that article but no one discussed before editing.
2402:8100:387D:609D:AC52:E91E:48D4:A649 (
talk) 12:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You have used multiple IPs to
edit war that change, some of which while
block evading, and you wonder why no one wishes to engage your brief yet confusing and poorly-written
talk page comment from April 22? In this context, your Seems like Wikipedia editors are biased seems unsubstantive and falls short. There may be a language barrier that at this time is insurmountable. This is the
English Wikipedia, which means that there is a requirement that one would be
sufficiently competent in its use in order to
communicate clearly.
El_C 13:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Question
Hi El C, I just want to bump the question I asked you last month up at
#Thanks re Myanmar. I thought maybe you didn't see it because I added it all the way up there.
TEMPO156 (
talk) 00:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hey. Sorry, I did indeed miss your comment at that time. In answer to your question: no, nothing recent comes to mind. HTH. Regards,
El_C 04:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I believe you are the Wikipedia administrator who added Extended Confirmation Protection to
Standoff at Eagle Pass. Can the protection for this page be reduced to semi-protected, due to the need for updates related to the topic (the banner has been there since February 2024) and the reduced news coverage and controversy about the event.
Side-note: I have extended confirmation protection editing power (500+ edits, more than 30 days).
JohnAdams1800 (
talk) 01:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The protection overall is gonna expire soon'ish (July), but sure, sounds good (
log update).
El_C 04:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Siege of Szigetvár and Nikola IV Zrinski
HI El C. I made a couple of edits on Wikipedia. I think I'm right, maybe I'm not. Two users disagree with me, one from the Battle for Sigetvar, the other from Nikola IV Zrinski, but no one else. I think that unverified images with unknown authors have no place on Wikipedia. Then everyone can post unverified pictures with unknown authors. I think there must be a rule for that in wikipedia, maybe there isn't. So I would like your opinion on that. See my Wikipedia edits. Thank you.
78.2.236.99 (
talk) 16:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello. Yeah, sorry, I do think you're wrong here. Just because the 16th century author is unknown, doesn't mean the painting is "unverified." See
https://en.mng.hu/artworks/34295 — I personally am inclined to trust the curators of the
Hungarian National Gallery. But you can always bring any concerns or issue to the
article talk page. That is where that discussion belongs.
El_C 21:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for protecting those templates :)
For context, I was going through
these and finding the ones with >5k transclusions that MusikBot hadn't yet upgraded to TPE. I started listing them at RFPP/I before it occurred to me that -- if I added them all in one set -- I might accidentally cause people to be annoyed with me for flooding the page. Having said that, if you don't mind protecting some more, would it be okay if I listed the remaining ones from that list with >5k transclusions here? (If you do mind, it's not a problem of course!)
(Courtesy ping
MusikAnimal - there might be nothing wrong with the bot, but thought I should ping you just in case, due to the number of templates with >5k transclusions that MusikBot II hadn't yet upgraded the protection of.) All the best, —a smart kitten[
meow 23:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Done. Regards,
El_C 23:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply