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Category:Japanese priestesses has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:16th-century Polish farmers has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:17th-century Polish farmers has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 02:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC) reply

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I really don't understand why you keep adding unsourced categories. You know as well I do that categories are not only supposed to be sourced, but they also need to be defining. The category that you added and reinstated to Ali Bitchin makes no sense. M.Bitton ( talk) 00:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Care to explain why keep ignoring WP:BRD and reinstating what was deleted? M.Bitton ( talk) 00:44, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I really don't understand why you think the categories are not "sourced". I do not understand that.

The article of Hayreddin Barbarossa includes the information: "The Ottoman fleet then assaulted the coasts of Sardinia, before appearing at Ischia and landing there in July 1544, capturing the city as well as Forio and the island of Procida, where he took 4,000 prisoners and enslaved some 2,000–7,000 inhabitants of Lipari".

That makes him a slave trader, and enslaver. Thus, the category of slave trader is relevant for him. I do not understand why you disagree.

The article Ali Bitchin ‎includes the information: "Bitchin, only a ten-year-old boy at the time, was bought from the Babel Boustan slaves market (current fishery) for 60 golden dinars, by the Raïs Fettah-Allah Ben-Khodja, from whom he learned privateering."

Because of this reason, he was a slave, and the article 16ht-century slave is relevant for him. Since there is not category for Algerian slaves, the category slavery in Algeria is relevant for him. I do not understand why you disagree.

I am not mentally stable enough to engage in conflict. Because of that reason, I will let you have your way regardless if it is correct or incorrect. But this is a sad thing. Because of the reasons above, these categories are suitable for them. And because you remove them despite this, it does not give me a good feeling about your intent.

Because I am a mentally fragile person, it is not possible for me to engage in a conflict with you. Because of this reason, I will let you have your way, in order to protect my health and well being. Have a good day, and please leave me alone. I shall do whatever you ask of me, in order to avoid having my health negatively affected. -- Aciram ( talk) 00:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

For Barbarossa: enslaving and liberating slaves (for various reasons) doesn't make him a "slave trader" (someone who buys and sells slaves).

As for Ali Btichin, being a former slave and a slave owner doesn't make him a slave trader either (that's the category that you added). M.Bitton ( talk) 01:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

A tag has been placed on Category:10th-century women rulers requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at [[ Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 31#Category:10th-century women rulers]]. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. NLeeuw ( talk) 23:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

A tag has been placed on Category:9th-century women rulers requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at [[ Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 31#Category:9th-century women rulers]]. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. NLeeuw ( talk) 23:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

PS: I have also tagged the categories you recreated from the 3rd up to the 8th century, but I didn't want to flood your talk page with separate notifications. Just so you know I've nominated the entire series for recreating categories that were split by consensus. NLeeuw ( talk) 23:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:17th-century Danish women farmers has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 00:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:18th-century Danish women farmers has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 00:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

See this thread. Thanks, TrangaBellam ( talk) 21:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I am not sure how you wish me to react, but since you have started asking questions, I suggest you also ask them: "does the author of an article have copy rights to it?", since this appear to be an issue you have interest in as well. I do not mind if my own articles are deleted. I do not own them. Thank you, and have a nice day.-- Aciram ( talk) 21:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I do not wish to "delete" your articles; I took a look at your recent article creations and doubted if you ought to have the "autopatrolled" flag. AN rules mandate notifying you; I do not "wish" for you to react and believe that you have a choice to ignore the thread. Thanks, TrangaBellam ( talk) 21:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I understand. Thank you for notifying me. I have no interest in following that thread. Because of your communication style, I wish to have no further contact with you, nor any more notifications from you. Have a nice day. -- Aciram ( talk) 21:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi Aciram, can I follow up on this? I'm not sure if you ever asked for it, or were ever told (I don't think so, but I could be wrong), but someone about 15 years ago gave you the "autopatrolled" right. It doesn't do you much good, but it helps new page patrollers by automatically marking your page creations as "patrolled", which means new page patrollers don't review it. Over the years, the kinds of articles that autopatrolled users are expected to create has become a lot more fully formed from the start than the 4 examples TrangaBellum listed at the WP:AN thread.

So, to save possibly pointless arguing: would you mind if i removed the autopatrolled right from your account? If you don't mind, we can just go about our business. If you do mind, then perhaps a comment at that thread at WP:AN would be helpful. Please don't interpret this as an attack on your worth here; it's mostly a bureaucratic thing. TrangaBellam does come across as brusque here, but I don't think that was intentional. Floquenbeam ( talk) 22:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi Floquenbeam, I do not mind. I have a vague memory that the word "autopatrolled" was mentioned in connection to me some time or another, but I can't remember when on in what occasion. I am not aware what "autopatrolled" is. I have no objection to its removal. I have no idea if its removal will result in a negative outcome of any sort, but since I am barely aware it excisted in the first place, it does not seem right to me that I should have any sort of privilige either.

As for the user TrangaBellam, my impression of them is not a good one. They made this post about me at AN after a disagreement between us on an article page, where TrangaBellam used aggressive, condescending and rude language. The next moment, they made this post on AN. I am sure you realise how that makes TrangaBellam appear?

I wish to have no communication with this user whatsoever, unless of course they appologise for their aggressive language and use a more civil tone in conversation. I suffer from anxiety, and such aggressive language is not beneficial for my health.

I have not participated in the AN-discussion, nor am I likely to, given the communication style of TrangaBellam, but I looked at it now, and I can add that I go by "She/her", not "him". Thank you. -- Aciram ( talk) 22:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks, Aciram, I'll remove that right then. It saddens me when 2 good faith editors disagree, but it is so common here that it's not something I can fix. I usually suggest that if you don't want someone to comment here, it's good practice to not mention them, so they don't feel compelled to defend themselves. I wish you well, perhaps I'll run across you again in less frustrating cicumstances. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 22:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you. I will try to remember that. I should add, considering the AN-thread; if this should develop in to any sort of situation where my articles are deleted, my account blocked, and I will be asked to leave Wikipedia, I will have no problem with this either. My mental health is not the best, and I must give it first priority before any other consideration. Just a note, if this AN-discussion should continue. I wish you well too! I share the opinion you expressed on AN. -- Aciram ( talk) 22:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Isabel de la Cruz is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isabel de la Cruz until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk) 19:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:21st-century Andorran people by occupation has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 05:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The article Royal Consort Jo has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No indication of individual notability

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. toobigtokale ( talk) 06:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Hello, for Royal Consort Jo, you left an edit comment that reads you have to provide a link to a discussion so people can raise their objections, and you did not; correct the template. However the point of WP:PRODs is that there isn't a discussion; in other words there's no option to add a discussion to the PROD. You're thinking of WP:AFD. I'm not going to pursue an AFD, but just wanted to let you know for future reference. toobigtokale ( talk) 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Hello. Okay, I may have mixed the templates up, sorry. Though I was suprised; this is an article of a royal person, a princess, a queen, and those are commonly viewed as automatically notable; she also had references, and plenty of potential for expansion from Korean language wikipedia, so I assumed the article was obviously notable, hence my suprise - I assumed unless the article is obviously irrelevant, there should always be a discussion. But I understand, thank you for the information. Have a nice day.-- Aciram ( talk) 17:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

It's ok, thanks for the amicable response. My assumption was that there are countless Korean royals who have historical mentions that are only several sentences long. I should have looked into her more before the PROD; she seems to be more notable than some others. toobigtokale ( talk) 17:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:19th-century American slave owners has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 03:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:18th-century American slave owners has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 03:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Haratin. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. M.Bitton ( talk) 15:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I shall allow you to do as you please with this article, simply because you are the stronger party. I have doubts regarding your intentions, but I have bad mental health, and you are dominant. Have a nice day.-- Aciram ( talk) 15:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Having bad mental health doesn't justify your assumption of bad faith and aspersions casting. M.Bitton ( talk) 15:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I shall leave it to you to consider how you have given me the impression to doubt your intentions. You are strong and dominant, and have I am sure no inhibitions to fight for your opinion with all your might. I have no such strenght. Survival of the fittest. Therefore, I shall let you do as you please. I have no doubt you have limited interest in how you affect me or my health, so I shall take responsiblity for that myself: I ask you to leave my page, and avoid communicating with me as much as possible. Thank you. -- Aciram ( talk) 16:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:Slave owners by century has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 19:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

A tag has been placed on Category:21st-century Andorran people indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! Mikeblas ( talk) 16:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Category:20th-century Andorran people by occupation has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason ( talk) 00:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

A tag has been placed on Category:Slavery in the Mongol Empire indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi Aciram. Thank you for your work on Slave trade in the Mongol Empire. Another editor, SunDawn, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Good day! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia by writing this article. I have marked the article as reviewed. Have a wonderful and blessed day for you and your family!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 04:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Aciram,

After your previous message at my talk page I watch listed the article but could not study the issue closely being busy in reading papers on google scholar.

Just now I came to your talk page following some random category and went through your talk page a little.

I happen to divide Wikipedians in two broad types those who are encyclopedic content writers and those who are in curation / maintenance few do both tasks. Encyclopedic content writing needs exceptional skill and hence encyclopedic content writers are very few compared to curators. You do have encyclopedic content writing skill.

Many times writing one content sentence with reference takes hours of search and study referencing and defending that sentence after that is a huge task itself.

In my new articles I create a section of suggested categories and leave it to copy editors which categories to keep and which not to. In existent articles I make category request at article talk page and leave it at that. Very rarely I request a category at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories.

This is not to judge your category work on it's merit nor this is an advice for others to use against you or to compel you to stay away from categories involvement.

Still, like me, I feel you also preferably leave curation tasks like populating categories to curators. And see if you can enjoy sigh of relief and have lesser stress.

I have some other article expansion requests, for that I shall come back to you in couple of days. Happy editing. Bookku ( talk) 05:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your appreciation @ Bookku, I do try my best to be what you term an Encyclopedic writer. I find it relaxing to write, in an otherwise stressful life. I am aware that no article in Wikipedia is ever complete, and may always be expanded and improved by any user with knowledge and skill, which I have always found to be a constructive principle. I believe many articles would never have been written, if they had to be complete before posting. Particularly by people like me, who have too little time to spend. The fact that Wikipedia is a joint collaboration by every user, is therefore of great advantage to its purpose.

I understand your impression in the category issue. I create categories when there seem to be a need for them, but you are correct that writing is my main interest and not curation/maintenance, and I do have less knowledge about it. Contrary to the impression here, most of the categories I have created over the years do still remain; but I understand your point, and I will keep it in mind. Thank you for the advise.

As for the issue of slavery in al-Andalus; thank you for placing the article on your watchlist. Nothing has yet been done that requires attention, but it likely will.

My experience of this user tells me that they may have a bias agenda to delete as much as possible about slavery in Islamic states and/or select information to portray it as benevolent. The concern is that the user will delete perfectly well referenced information from good references (they are digitalized and easy to fact check via google books) with some excuse such as "Cherry Picking" or "rephrased in a deliberately negative way", in order to make Andalusian slavery appear benevolent.

This is a concern caused by previous experience in other articles, when this user have done exactly that. Previously, I have remained passive. The reason is because I suffer from anxiety and I am not well suited for a long conflict with a problematic user. A new user with no knowledge of the rules, who react emotionally to the content of an article, is something different from an experienced, eloquent and well informed user with an agenda. I am concerned over this article, and feel I should sound the allert. I do not belive they would persist in any potential agenda if faced with resistance from a user who are well informed about rules and regulations.

From experience I know that bias agendas is one of the most serious problems to the purpose of wikipedia, so I am relived that you are now watching the article. If you should feel you have no time for to the issue, please do not hesitate to tell me if there are some user user who would be interested to protect the article. My best wishes, -- Aciram ( talk) 18:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Lately, in a role of discussion facilitator, I am helping two well meaning users at Talk:Jinn to keep the discussion on track without letting it get personal. @ Talk:Slavery in al-Andalus I can also in WP:3O or as discussion facilitator if other user too co-operates. Talk:Slavery in al-Andalus discussion seem to be at stage where both of you need to provide synopsis and which content points are still unresolved, if any. It's tough to eat whole cake at one go, in problem resolution too if we eat pieces of problematic cake one by one would be easy to digest.

According to essay Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Cost usually citing reliable sources is enough. But it also says ".. Where a source is difficult to verify, .. , many editors appreciate the courtesy of supplying the relevant paragraph [from the cited source] .."

In this polarized world of confirmation biases, we come across instances of distrust even after we appeal AGF. To me one way can be following:

• In the visual editor, under the 'cite' button, you first put in the basic parameters (sometimes just a URL is sufficient to get started), then scroll down the list of fields to find the one named 'Quote', which is a text box you can enter the the relevant paragraph verbatim from the cited source.
  • IMO This step helps to keep the thing transparent and help built trust. Then I invite several users to participate in expanding and copy editing a new article at draft level itself. If content text paraphrased by me is already gone through hands of couple of copy editors trust builds and since other editors are already on board I need to worry less of the article and I can move on towards next task. Still no doubt problems would arise but if we are already ready with umbrella less worry in sudden heavy rains.
  • The policy regarding these types of quotes is briefly covered at WP:FOOTQUOTE. (How to use use also available @ how to use Template:Citation#Quote)

Bookku ( talk) 07:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I realise now that I may not have explained myself very well; you did say that you had not been able to study this issue closely, so I should have summarized the matter more clearly. There is yet no problem at all at slavery in al-Andalus, and no discussion on the article talk page. I wrote in the talk page that I would not participate, and I have not done so since.

User:R Prazeres is not the problematic user in question. User:R Prazeres adressed some legitimate concerns in the article talk page of the article. These were legitimate concerns. For example, they pointed out that one source was in fact a blog (clearly unsitable). Since that source was included in a piece of the article which was copied from another article and not written by me, I was not aware of it, and I was grateful that User:R Prazeres pointed it out, so I could adress it, which I did. That is not the issue.

It concerned me that User:R Prazeres expressed concern regarding WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. User:R Prazeres is interested in al-Andalus, but have admitted ignorance in the specific topic of slavery in al-Andalus. I am aware that al-Andalus is often idealized, and that there has been a tendency to romanticize slavery in al-Andalus. Experience made me vary of this already when creating the article, and I was careful to phrase the information from the books to avoid such a POV. The accusation of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH can get extremely difficult with bias users: how are we to rephrase information in our own words without being accused of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH? It is always a challenge.

What made me take action in this matter was however not User:R Prazeres. I noticed that User:R Prazeres contacted User:M.Bitton in this matter. Their conversation can be seen here: [1]. It was User:M.Bitton I was referring to in my description to you above. I have experience from this user in several articles. User:M.Bitton have on several occassions, fnotably in Aghlabids, removed well referenced information in the subject slavery in Islamic lands from various articles. My impression is that User:M.Bitton have a bias agenda to remove as much as possible about the topic and/or portray it as benevolent. This impression is created by my experience from User:M.Bitton, as well as my experience from other individuals with this agenda. I have been told that User:M.Bitton was previously reported to ANI, but I do not know if this is correct.

That User:M.Bitton was allerted to the article was therefore a matter of concern. Their conversation about me in his talk page gave the impression than neither of them have any interest in a constructive communication with me in regard to the article or its subject.

I must be frank. I suffer from chronic exhaustive depression and anxiety. This condition does not in any way lessen my intellectual capabilities; but it does, however, force me to take the responsiblity to identify triggers and avoid them for the sake of my health. That factor makes it difficult for me to tend to the technical issues as you mention, but foremost, it makes it near impossible to get involved in a conflict with a well informed bad actor with a bias agenda.

I adressed the legitimate issues mentioned by User:R Prazeres, but then informed them why I would not be able to participate in the discussion further. I also removed the article from my talk page, and have not returned to it since. My experience, and the information I have, told me that such a discussion would not be of much use. Experience tells me that User:R Prazeres may have posted a messege lecuturing me regarding my concerns about User:M.Bitton, or User:M.Bitton may have posted an accusation of cherrypicking.

I realise that my health condition is not ideal to the work of Wikipedia, if it causes me to abandon an article to a user with a potential bias agenda. But that was an action I was forced to take. I am ashamed to ask other users to "do the work for me" by asking them to put the article on their watchlist and watch out for the potential bias agenda of User:M.Bitton, but I do it out of genuine concern for the purpose of Wikipedia. It would be a great shame if well referenced information were be deleted, and information selected to fit a bias agenda, simply because my anxiety problems makes it diffucult for me to protest to a bad actor.-- Aciram ( talk) 13:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Aciram

See WP rules related to canvassing and tag teaming reduce scope of partisan invitations and partisan side taking. Despite R Prazeres invited M.Bitton, later you invited me to look into but practically both of us did not turn up at Talk:Slavery in al-Andalus and that discussion still remains between you two.

At WP usually we consider every article separately. Helping you in verification of sources and sorting out synth issues comes in scope of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Reliability so you ask for verification and synth sorting request there without mentioning personal issues.

If some one has a serious objection to any of articles you created ask them to send it back to draft space again so you can work coolly again.

Mixing content issues and personal issues confuses other people and increase our own stress.

Bookku ( talk) 04:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the response. My conclusion is rather simple. I have concern that this article is going to be subjected to bias editing by User:M.Bitton. The concern is caused by previous experience. Due to my health, I cannot participate. In the hope of protecting the article, I attempted reaching out to others in order to at least do something. However, my first reaction was to continue the policy I have always had in regard to User:M. Bitton: to simply remain passive and let him do as he please. I shall follow this policy in this case as well. Thank you for your reply. The article is taken of my watchlist, and I shall not engage with it further. Its future is in the hands of M.Bitton, and I shall put it off my mind. I admit it is saddening what will potentially hapen to the article, but I will be of no use in protecting it, and that is a factor I mus accept. It is too overwhelming for me to fight a bad actor with a bias agenda. I did contact you to ask you to put the article on your watchlist in case it should be subjected to bias editing in the future; and perhaps you will be willing to engage if that should occur. Thank you again for giving me the time to respond, it was appreciated. -- Aciram ( talk) 12:09, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Just don't overthink, take a break and relax once in a while.

May be you would like to help to expand the list article Draft:Former centers of slave trading, I suppose such a list also help in improving understanding among those who do not know. Bookku ( talk) 13:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply