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Can you please be careful with these. Several of the new ones are populating category redirects, usually because the parent category name is not how the template blindly assumes it, and there are invariably no instructions on the template page for how to override the mess. Current examples of populated redirects include Category:9th-century German people and Category:Kazakh musicians. If the templates can't be fixed then they'll have to be removed. Timrollpickering ( talk) 09:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do you know of any templates that handle redirects smartly? I'd love to see an example. At present, I don't have a larger fix, that doesn't require adding a wall of conditionals. I am working on the handful of demonyms that aren't behaving right Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#c-Jonesey95-20240319145400-Smasongarrison-20240319124400. Mason ( talk) 12:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Resolve category redirect can fix the problem but it's best installed by those who write technical templates.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 13:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I didn't know that this template existed. It seems straightforward enough, especially with the
test cases, provided.
Mason (
talk) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Anyway, I've gotten in working in the
writers template
[1] to handle the literature redirects (e.g.,
Category:17th-century English writers).
Mason (
talk) 19:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Can you also fix
Template:Musicians by nationality and century category header - it's also populating redirects.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 18:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- will do. Any chance the offending page in for Russian empire categories? Because that one should resolve itself soon once the category template refreshes
Mason (
talk) 18:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Bishops by country and century category header is also generating multiple cases. Can you fix it and include the redirect resolve by default in all new templates? Timrollpickering ( talk) 09:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- will do. Any chance the offending page in for Russian empire categories? Because that one should resolve itself soon once the category template refreshes
Mason (
talk) 18:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Can you also fix
Template:Musicians by nationality and century category header - it's also populating redirects.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 18:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Anyway, I've gotten in working in the
writers template
[1] to handle the literature redirects (e.g.,
Category:17th-century English writers).
Mason (
talk) 19:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I didn't know that this template existed. It seems straightforward enough, especially with the
test cases, provided.
Mason (
talk) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
-
Template:Resolve category redirect can fix the problem but it's best installed by those who write technical templates.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 13:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Hey there! I wanted to ask if there is a reason why so many Cfds, which have been closed for a while now, aren't going through. Quite a few recent nominations which have been closed as 'merge', 'delete', 'rename' are stil there. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 16:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- No idea. But that's a good question. Could the bot be down?
Mason (
talk) 19:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think it is. I've been checking and a lot of the recent closed Cfds are stalled. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 19:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:20th-century bishops in Mexico
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:21st-century bishops in Mexico
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Do you think the following makes sense? If something does not make enough difference to someone's life that we bother having text about it in the article on the person, we should not have a category on it. If it is so minor that it is buried in a table and not mentioned in the normal text of the article, I do not believe we can say it is defining enough to matter enough to have a category, and we would be best off not categorizing by it. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think a lot of what you're saying makes sense. But I worry, that systematic bias might lead some categories that do meet the criteria for making difference to someone's life, might not be mentioned in the text. I think that your rule works pretty well for non EGRS categories. I'll think about it; its an interesting idea. Mason ( talk) 20:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Right now we have a category Babson Beavers, which contains a total of 3 articles and 1 redirect, with a total of 4 categories to contain all of them. This seems truly excessive. Some of these are the 2 articles in Babson Beaver's men's baketball coaches, which is a subcat of the category American men's college basketball coaches, which has lots of categories with under 5 articles. In the specific Babson case, 1 article makes no mention of coaching at Babson in the text, the other person was also a coach at about half a dozen colleges and universities. I am beginning to think that A-by state is a perfectly legitimate way to subdivide a larger US category, 2-various rules suggest we should not subdivide with lots of small categories just to do it, 3-I think we should create by state sub-categories, split the coaches by the state in which they coached, and only leave the large categories that remain. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Looking at Category:UC Merced Golden Bobcats, it looks to me like this category, plus its 3 sub-cats, only between all 4 of them have 1 article. I am actually surprised that there are not more categories in there that this 1 article is supporting. The 1 article is already in University of California, Merced alumni directly. Even at that, that category only has 3 articles and 1 sub-cat. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Smasongarrison,
Could you look at the categories added to Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion earlier today? There are a bunch of these "male writers by century" and nationality categories that suddenly went empty. It doesn't look like they were emptied manually by adding or removing articles or categories which means that either there have been some changes to a template that fills them or a bundled deletion through CFD.
I know that lately you have been tinkering with some of the templates so I'm hoping if you made a change that emptied out these categories, you could undo it or at least correct it. We have categories for women writers in these same groups so it's logical that we'd have similar categories for male writers. Thanks for looking into this when you have a chance. Liz Read! Talk! 19:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yep -- that was definitely me. I made the switch to a more generalized category template, that now works for other male/female/women occupations, but it wasn't entirely seamless. I'll see if I can force some of categories with the template to re-fresh, now that I've fixed it. [2] Mason ( talk) 20:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm responding to your statement "I would strongly encourage you to reconsider using LGBT people as your counter arguments to Nazis. That comparison comes with A LOT OF BAGGAGE, especially when your talking to people from the LGBT community" here on your talk page rather than here to avoid creating a tangent on that discussion.
You say that as if you assume to know whether or not I am LGBT. But you have no way of knowing my sexual orientation or gender identity unless I tell you. For a number of reasons which I would rather not get into here, I try as hard possible to keep my Wikipedia identity (and online identity, in general) as separate as possible from my "real" identity--meaning I avoid saying any details about myself, such as gender, age, sexual orientation, occupation, what country I'm from, etc on Wikipedia discussions. But I feel like I must make an exception to avoid being misunderstood. You have no way of knowing if I am LGBT or not (in fact, I am. The "G" part of LGBT to be specific. And you if you want to add "I" and make it LGBTI, then I have a medical condition which some would consider as "I"; it's on the border of being "I" or not). As I told you already, I also had a close friend who was gay and died by suicide. LGBT people are as diverse as non-LGBT people. We are all individuals and what has "baggage" or is offensive for one of us does not necessarily create the same response to another of us.
For me, I feel as though an encyclopedia is a place that should be completely free of any politics or opinions or emotions in general, and should be 100% objective, regardless of how heavy a topic is or isn't. An encyclopedia should be a place to neutrally document facts, and should not be influenced by culture or society. (An impossible goal to attain, perhaps, but it's an ideal I believe should be striven for) Facts will then speak for themselves (we don't have to tell people "Nazis did horrible things", for example, we just have to say what they did, the horribleness will speak for itself.) I used the LGBT suicide list because it was the first article/list/category/whatever that I could find that I thought was relevant. My argument was in response to the argument that someone shouldn't be included in a Nazi suicide list if their suicide was unrelated to being a Nazi. (Or something like that, I don't remember the exact argument) I used the LGBT list to argue that not all of those persons' suicides were necessarily related to their being LGBT, but that they should still be included in the list. Since wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED and Wikipedia:NPOV, I didn't think it should matter how "heavy" the issues of LGBT suicide or Nazism may be to some people. Regardless, I searched and found Category:Artists who died by suicide and Category:Farmers who died by suicide by which the same analogies, comparisons, and arguments to the Nazi suicide categories could be made from just as well, if not better, than the LGBT suicide list.
I apologize that you were offended, but personally I find it offensive to assume that all LGBT people will react the same way to something. We are both LGBT but obviously had very different reactions to the same thing. I can talk about Nazis or LGBT suicide at the same time without feeling a strong visceral reaction. But that just goes to show that LGBT people are not a monolithic group.
I hope I didn't say anything that upset you further or that I wrote too lengthily. I just felt I had to respond somehow because I was feeling very misunderstood. I wish you the best. Vontheri ( talk) 22:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate your attempts to clarify. I have had the working assumption that your intentions were good. I appreciate your self-disclosure. I, truly, appreciate your attempt to course correct.
- However, I did not say that "all LGBT people will react the same way to something". I was trying to nicely say that I, personally, did not want to continue the conversation. I said that I found the comparison TROUBLING. You asked me to expand on that, so I did. I tried to convey that I did not want to think about that trifecta. That I was not interested in continuing the conversation. You seemed perplexed by that/concerned that I thought you were making an intentionally problematic comparison. I am not saying that all lgbt people will respond the way I did, but what I was saying is that I personally did not want to engage in an added layer of heaviness. And, I felt it was worth elaborating enough to make it clear that if your goal was to reduce the heaviness, you did not succeed in my case. I think that your alternative examples were better. My only goal was to convey that an alternative analogy would have been more effective because you'd be less likely to lose people.
Mason (
talk) 23:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW: There's nothing you need to apologize for. Mason ( talk) 23:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate your response. I have more clarity now. I shouldn't have said that you were implying that all LGBT people would react in the same way, as I know that is not what you said. I feel (think..? feel..? intuit..? believe..? what's the right word?) that human language is so much more simpler than human thought, which is something that frustrates me greatly. I suppose I felt most bothered that I was perceiving that you were assuming to know whether I was LGBT or not when you really had no way of knowing if I was or not. (Specifically, my perception was that the part saying "especially when your talking to people from the LGBT community" implied that I was not LGBT myself. I acknowledge that my perception could have been vastly incorrect, as, again, we are limited by human language, and written-only language at that.)
- Anyway, you said quite clearly that you did not want to continue the conversation, and I fully respect that. I have gone on too much already. I appreciate greatly your response to my post here on your talk page and I will not say anything else about this. I also want to thank you greatly for your civility. Not that I have any reason to think you would not be civil, but I see so much incivility, whether directed towards me or towards someone else, on Wikipedia that it has at times made me feel like losing hope in the entire project of Wikipedia.
- I do have a habit of writing long posts. Once I get started typing it becomes hard for me to stop. I will stop writing more now and have already shortened this post by about half of what I had originally written. Again, thank you for taking time out of your day to respond to me. No need for additional response unless you just want to. I will assume this issue closed now. Thank you and good luck to you in life and all your endeavors. Vontheri ( talk) 07:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Women politicians by nationality and century category header does not handle redirects and is creating umpteen redirects - see User:RussBot/category redirect log. Can you please stop sticking these templates in en masse without making sure they cover all circumstances. Timrollpickering ( talk) 13:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- So, I did check and resolve this issue, by manually creating redirects for all the categories. And when the template didn't behave as expected, I hand edited each one so that it would work. So please don't assume that I'm doing this without checking and fixing. relevant example diffs
[3], and my edit history
[4]
Mason (
talk) 13:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can you please extend me some good faith here? I'm not doing this thoughtlessly. If you know why
{{Category redirect|{{Title demonym}} women in politics}} does not work with templates, I would love to know. Mason ( talk) 13:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Institute of Philosophy, KU Leuven is the equivalent of a school or a faculty within a university (a similar thing might be the Munk School at the University of Toronto). Are there other instances of *parts of* universities being categorised as universities? If the category "Universities and colleges" is also intended to include parts of universities and colleges, should it not be renamed to clarify that? -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 19:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair question. So yes, there are other examples of suborganizations, and the intent is to include parts of universities. Here are some examples from category:Universities and colleges established in 1889:
Johns Hopkins School of Nursing,
Oregon State University College of Engineering,
Osgoode Hall Law School,
University of Wisconsin–Madison College of Agricultural and Life Sciences. In the US, schools/faculty are often described as Colleges. The category name was broadened from just "Universities" to make the intention clearer that it was to include subdivisions. Do you have suggestions for a clearer name?
Mason (
talk) 20:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Something like "Tertiary educational institutions" or "Institutions of higher education" would be broad enough to cover universities and their constituent parts. -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 21:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I created Category:Medieval Russian writers and this is shown as a parent cat in Category:15th-century Russian writers which is using Template:Writers by nationality and century category header but I do not see this showing. Do you know what the issue could be here? Thanks. Mellk ( talk) 14:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- So the category will be populated eventually, but not immediately. The trick to make a dummy edit. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Category:15th-century_Russian_writers&oldid=1214081477 Mason ( talk) 15:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Mason, I've been too busy to keep up with CFD discussions recently.
I'm grateful for your work here, but I would have opposed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 6#Category:16th-century Catalan people. Removing this has left a bigger gap in Category:Catalan people by century. Before or instead of deleting poorly-populated categories, I suggest checking whether they can be populated.
In this case Petscan demonstrates that there are 22 articles eligible to be put in the category. Some of them might be debatable if "Count of Barcelona" was an honorary title unrelated to origin or residence, but it looks as if there would be sufficient to reinstate the category. – Fayenatic London 08:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! that's really helpful information. I'll definitely try additional approaches to populate categories. Mason ( talk) 19:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
I've just noticed a few "Nobility of" renamed speedily to "Nobility from" – I hope you will not object if I summarily reverse these. We use "of" for nobility, military personnel and political positions, because they are people holding official capacities of the state. – Fayenatic London 20:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also long as you leave redirects, that fine. Otherwise, I think it breaks the nobility by nationality and century template
Mason (
talk) 22:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea! I have added this at Wikipedia:Category redirects that should be kept. – Fayenatic London 11:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I removed your indent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 12#Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic for clarity – hope you don't mind.
You often seem to indent with *: rather than just * , and this has the appearance of demoting your !vote. I suggest you use just an asterisk at the start of your opinion at CFD, unless you are replying to another editor's statements. Is the colon an artifact of a tool that you use for commenting? – Fayenatic London 22:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree that it does have that tendency to downweight my vote. I think it is an artifact of using the beta feature of "Discussion tools". I haven't been very motivated to see if I can pinpoint the problem, but you've just given me a good reason to investigate. :) Mason ( talk) 22:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Can you please be careful with these. Several of the new ones are populating category redirects, usually because the parent category name is not how the template blindly assumes it, and there are invariably no instructions on the template page for how to override the mess. Current examples of populated redirects include Category:9th-century German people and Category:Kazakh musicians. If the templates can't be fixed then they'll have to be removed. Timrollpickering ( talk) 09:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do you know of any templates that handle redirects smartly? I'd love to see an example. At present, I don't have a larger fix, that doesn't require adding a wall of conditionals. I am working on the handful of demonyms that aren't behaving right Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#c-Jonesey95-20240319145400-Smasongarrison-20240319124400. Mason ( talk) 12:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Resolve category redirect can fix the problem but it's best installed by those who write technical templates.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 13:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I didn't know that this template existed. It seems straightforward enough, especially with the
test cases, provided.
Mason (
talk) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Anyway, I've gotten in working in the
writers template
[1] to handle the literature redirects (e.g.,
Category:17th-century English writers).
Mason (
talk) 19:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Can you also fix
Template:Musicians by nationality and century category header - it's also populating redirects.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 18:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- will do. Any chance the offending page in for Russian empire categories? Because that one should resolve itself soon once the category template refreshes
Mason (
talk) 18:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Bishops by country and century category header is also generating multiple cases. Can you fix it and include the redirect resolve by default in all new templates? Timrollpickering ( talk) 09:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- will do. Any chance the offending page in for Russian empire categories? Because that one should resolve itself soon once the category template refreshes
Mason (
talk) 18:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Can you also fix
Template:Musicians by nationality and century category header - it's also populating redirects.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 18:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Anyway, I've gotten in working in the
writers template
[1] to handle the literature redirects (e.g.,
Category:17th-century English writers).
Mason (
talk) 19:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I didn't know that this template existed. It seems straightforward enough, especially with the
test cases, provided.
Mason (
talk) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
-
Template:Resolve category redirect can fix the problem but it's best installed by those who write technical templates.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 13:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Hey there! I wanted to ask if there is a reason why so many Cfds, which have been closed for a while now, aren't going through. Quite a few recent nominations which have been closed as 'merge', 'delete', 'rename' are stil there. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 16:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- No idea. But that's a good question. Could the bot be down?
Mason (
talk) 19:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think it is. I've been checking and a lot of the recent closed Cfds are stalled. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 19:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:20th-century bishops in Mexico
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:21st-century bishops in Mexico
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Do you think the following makes sense? If something does not make enough difference to someone's life that we bother having text about it in the article on the person, we should not have a category on it. If it is so minor that it is buried in a table and not mentioned in the normal text of the article, I do not believe we can say it is defining enough to matter enough to have a category, and we would be best off not categorizing by it. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think a lot of what you're saying makes sense. But I worry, that systematic bias might lead some categories that do meet the criteria for making difference to someone's life, might not be mentioned in the text. I think that your rule works pretty well for non EGRS categories. I'll think about it; its an interesting idea. Mason ( talk) 20:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Right now we have a category Babson Beavers, which contains a total of 3 articles and 1 redirect, with a total of 4 categories to contain all of them. This seems truly excessive. Some of these are the 2 articles in Babson Beaver's men's baketball coaches, which is a subcat of the category American men's college basketball coaches, which has lots of categories with under 5 articles. In the specific Babson case, 1 article makes no mention of coaching at Babson in the text, the other person was also a coach at about half a dozen colleges and universities. I am beginning to think that A-by state is a perfectly legitimate way to subdivide a larger US category, 2-various rules suggest we should not subdivide with lots of small categories just to do it, 3-I think we should create by state sub-categories, split the coaches by the state in which they coached, and only leave the large categories that remain. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Looking at Category:UC Merced Golden Bobcats, it looks to me like this category, plus its 3 sub-cats, only between all 4 of them have 1 article. I am actually surprised that there are not more categories in there that this 1 article is supporting. The 1 article is already in University of California, Merced alumni directly. Even at that, that category only has 3 articles and 1 sub-cat. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Smasongarrison,
Could you look at the categories added to Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion earlier today? There are a bunch of these "male writers by century" and nationality categories that suddenly went empty. It doesn't look like they were emptied manually by adding or removing articles or categories which means that either there have been some changes to a template that fills them or a bundled deletion through CFD.
I know that lately you have been tinkering with some of the templates so I'm hoping if you made a change that emptied out these categories, you could undo it or at least correct it. We have categories for women writers in these same groups so it's logical that we'd have similar categories for male writers. Thanks for looking into this when you have a chance. Liz Read! Talk! 19:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yep -- that was definitely me. I made the switch to a more generalized category template, that now works for other male/female/women occupations, but it wasn't entirely seamless. I'll see if I can force some of categories with the template to re-fresh, now that I've fixed it. [2] Mason ( talk) 20:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm responding to your statement "I would strongly encourage you to reconsider using LGBT people as your counter arguments to Nazis. That comparison comes with A LOT OF BAGGAGE, especially when your talking to people from the LGBT community" here on your talk page rather than here to avoid creating a tangent on that discussion.
You say that as if you assume to know whether or not I am LGBT. But you have no way of knowing my sexual orientation or gender identity unless I tell you. For a number of reasons which I would rather not get into here, I try as hard possible to keep my Wikipedia identity (and online identity, in general) as separate as possible from my "real" identity--meaning I avoid saying any details about myself, such as gender, age, sexual orientation, occupation, what country I'm from, etc on Wikipedia discussions. But I feel like I must make an exception to avoid being misunderstood. You have no way of knowing if I am LGBT or not (in fact, I am. The "G" part of LGBT to be specific. And you if you want to add "I" and make it LGBTI, then I have a medical condition which some would consider as "I"; it's on the border of being "I" or not). As I told you already, I also had a close friend who was gay and died by suicide. LGBT people are as diverse as non-LGBT people. We are all individuals and what has "baggage" or is offensive for one of us does not necessarily create the same response to another of us.
For me, I feel as though an encyclopedia is a place that should be completely free of any politics or opinions or emotions in general, and should be 100% objective, regardless of how heavy a topic is or isn't. An encyclopedia should be a place to neutrally document facts, and should not be influenced by culture or society. (An impossible goal to attain, perhaps, but it's an ideal I believe should be striven for) Facts will then speak for themselves (we don't have to tell people "Nazis did horrible things", for example, we just have to say what they did, the horribleness will speak for itself.) I used the LGBT suicide list because it was the first article/list/category/whatever that I could find that I thought was relevant. My argument was in response to the argument that someone shouldn't be included in a Nazi suicide list if their suicide was unrelated to being a Nazi. (Or something like that, I don't remember the exact argument) I used the LGBT list to argue that not all of those persons' suicides were necessarily related to their being LGBT, but that they should still be included in the list. Since wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED and Wikipedia:NPOV, I didn't think it should matter how "heavy" the issues of LGBT suicide or Nazism may be to some people. Regardless, I searched and found Category:Artists who died by suicide and Category:Farmers who died by suicide by which the same analogies, comparisons, and arguments to the Nazi suicide categories could be made from just as well, if not better, than the LGBT suicide list.
I apologize that you were offended, but personally I find it offensive to assume that all LGBT people will react the same way to something. We are both LGBT but obviously had very different reactions to the same thing. I can talk about Nazis or LGBT suicide at the same time without feeling a strong visceral reaction. But that just goes to show that LGBT people are not a monolithic group.
I hope I didn't say anything that upset you further or that I wrote too lengthily. I just felt I had to respond somehow because I was feeling very misunderstood. I wish you the best. Vontheri ( talk) 22:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate your attempts to clarify. I have had the working assumption that your intentions were good. I appreciate your self-disclosure. I, truly, appreciate your attempt to course correct.
- However, I did not say that "all LGBT people will react the same way to something". I was trying to nicely say that I, personally, did not want to continue the conversation. I said that I found the comparison TROUBLING. You asked me to expand on that, so I did. I tried to convey that I did not want to think about that trifecta. That I was not interested in continuing the conversation. You seemed perplexed by that/concerned that I thought you were making an intentionally problematic comparison. I am not saying that all lgbt people will respond the way I did, but what I was saying is that I personally did not want to engage in an added layer of heaviness. And, I felt it was worth elaborating enough to make it clear that if your goal was to reduce the heaviness, you did not succeed in my case. I think that your alternative examples were better. My only goal was to convey that an alternative analogy would have been more effective because you'd be less likely to lose people.
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- FWIW: There's nothing you need to apologize for. Mason ( talk) 23:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate your response. I have more clarity now. I shouldn't have said that you were implying that all LGBT people would react in the same way, as I know that is not what you said. I feel (think..? feel..? intuit..? believe..? what's the right word?) that human language is so much more simpler than human thought, which is something that frustrates me greatly. I suppose I felt most bothered that I was perceiving that you were assuming to know whether I was LGBT or not when you really had no way of knowing if I was or not. (Specifically, my perception was that the part saying "especially when your talking to people from the LGBT community" implied that I was not LGBT myself. I acknowledge that my perception could have been vastly incorrect, as, again, we are limited by human language, and written-only language at that.)
- Anyway, you said quite clearly that you did not want to continue the conversation, and I fully respect that. I have gone on too much already. I appreciate greatly your response to my post here on your talk page and I will not say anything else about this. I also want to thank you greatly for your civility. Not that I have any reason to think you would not be civil, but I see so much incivility, whether directed towards me or towards someone else, on Wikipedia that it has at times made me feel like losing hope in the entire project of Wikipedia.
- I do have a habit of writing long posts. Once I get started typing it becomes hard for me to stop. I will stop writing more now and have already shortened this post by about half of what I had originally written. Again, thank you for taking time out of your day to respond to me. No need for additional response unless you just want to. I will assume this issue closed now. Thank you and good luck to you in life and all your endeavors. Vontheri ( talk) 07:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Women politicians by nationality and century category header does not handle redirects and is creating umpteen redirects - see User:RussBot/category redirect log. Can you please stop sticking these templates in en masse without making sure they cover all circumstances. Timrollpickering ( talk) 13:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- So, I did check and resolve this issue, by manually creating redirects for all the categories. And when the template didn't behave as expected, I hand edited each one so that it would work. So please don't assume that I'm doing this without checking and fixing. relevant example diffs
[3], and my edit history
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- Can you please extend me some good faith here? I'm not doing this thoughtlessly. If you know why
{{Category redirect|{{Title demonym}} women in politics}} does not work with templates, I would love to know. Mason ( talk) 13:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Institute of Philosophy, KU Leuven is the equivalent of a school or a faculty within a university (a similar thing might be the Munk School at the University of Toronto). Are there other instances of *parts of* universities being categorised as universities? If the category "Universities and colleges" is also intended to include parts of universities and colleges, should it not be renamed to clarify that? -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 19:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair question. So yes, there are other examples of suborganizations, and the intent is to include parts of universities. Here are some examples from category:Universities and colleges established in 1889:
Johns Hopkins School of Nursing,
Oregon State University College of Engineering,
Osgoode Hall Law School,
University of Wisconsin–Madison College of Agricultural and Life Sciences. In the US, schools/faculty are often described as Colleges. The category name was broadened from just "Universities" to make the intention clearer that it was to include subdivisions. Do you have suggestions for a clearer name?
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- Something like "Tertiary educational institutions" or "Institutions of higher education" would be broad enough to cover universities and their constituent parts. -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 21:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I created Category:Medieval Russian writers and this is shown as a parent cat in Category:15th-century Russian writers which is using Template:Writers by nationality and century category header but I do not see this showing. Do you know what the issue could be here? Thanks. Mellk ( talk) 14:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- So the category will be populated eventually, but not immediately. The trick to make a dummy edit. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Category:15th-century_Russian_writers&oldid=1214081477 Mason ( talk) 15:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Mason, I've been too busy to keep up with CFD discussions recently.
I'm grateful for your work here, but I would have opposed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 6#Category:16th-century Catalan people. Removing this has left a bigger gap in Category:Catalan people by century. Before or instead of deleting poorly-populated categories, I suggest checking whether they can be populated.
In this case Petscan demonstrates that there are 22 articles eligible to be put in the category. Some of them might be debatable if "Count of Barcelona" was an honorary title unrelated to origin or residence, but it looks as if there would be sufficient to reinstate the category. – Fayenatic London 08:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! that's really helpful information. I'll definitely try additional approaches to populate categories. Mason ( talk) 19:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
I've just noticed a few "Nobility of" renamed speedily to "Nobility from" – I hope you will not object if I summarily reverse these. We use "of" for nobility, military personnel and political positions, because they are people holding official capacities of the state. – Fayenatic London 20:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also long as you leave redirects, that fine. Otherwise, I think it breaks the nobility by nationality and century template
Mason (
talk) 22:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea! I have added this at Wikipedia:Category redirects that should be kept. – Fayenatic London 11:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I removed your indent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 12#Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic for clarity – hope you don't mind.
You often seem to indent with *: rather than just * , and this has the appearance of demoting your !vote. I suggest you use just an asterisk at the start of your opinion at CFD, unless you are replying to another editor's statements. Is the colon an artifact of a tool that you use for commenting? – Fayenatic London 22:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree that it does have that tendency to downweight my vote. I think it is an artifact of using the beta feature of "Discussion tools". I haven't been very motivated to see if I can pinpoint the problem, but you've just given me a good reason to investigate. :) Mason ( talk) 22:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
I saw your question was never answered and I don't know if you found the answer to this. The capitalization of Indigenous and other terms should be applied when talking about people. By calling a organization an Indigenous organization you would be stating it is made of Indigenous people and therefore should be capitalized. -- ARose Wolf 13:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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Can you please tell when I had been told about " changing ... to Kowloon", and elaborate what is wrong to mention Kowloon (given that the territory comprises four components – Kowloon being one of them?) Thanks. 58.152.55.172 ( talk) 08:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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