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The result was keep. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NFOOTY - has not yet played in a fully professional league. ... discospinster talk 23:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. TheSandDoctor Talk 05:43, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Not seeing any sources that use this term in this way. Rusf10 ( talk) 23:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Thanks for your advice. Hope the revised rationale convinced you. Chirota ( talk) 12:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Clear consensus bordering WP:SNOW to keep. Closing. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:43, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Rebecca Chalker

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Borderline advert; I see no indication that this subject meets the WP:GNG. BD2412 T 23:01, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Keep, while the content of the article is objectionable, the subject meets the criteria of inclusion as there are multiple references about her as [1], [2], [3], [4], so she passes WP:GNG. Chirota ( talk) 01:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete lacks SIGCOV. The references mentioned by Chiro725 are not specifically about Rebecca (ref #4 appears to be a about a completely different person). - KH-1 ( talk)
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Pburka, actually there was something objectionable, a sentence though - which I removed already. Chirota ( talk) 22:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Ezra Levant. TheSandDoctor Talk 05:44, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Western Standard

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After removing all the self-sourced material, there was nothing left apart from coverage of the cartoons controversy. I went looking for sources to remedy that and came up blank. I am not convinced this website is actually notable. Guy ( help! - typo?) 22:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. The consensus is the subject passes NFOOTY. (non-admin closure) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:13, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The article is completely unsourced and does not demonstrate notability. The only sources I could find were brief notations on lists of football players: [6], [7], [8]. I'm not particularly experienced with WP:NFOOTBALL, so I suppose it's possible that he meets that, but it doesn't really seem like it. Aerin17 ( talk) 18:01, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Playing for Inter Milan and other Serie A teams even if for a single match makes him pass WP:FOOTY. References are not where the emphasis should be for a footballer when basic criteria of WP:FOOTY are met, which is this case. Chirota ( talk) 01:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep He has played for Inter Milan and other major teams which gives him a clear pass for WP:NFOOTY. Although article needs some improvement to be fully compatible with wiki neutrality and guidelines. Riteboke ( talk) 14:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Passes WP:NFOOTY. Sonofstar ( talk) 16:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Passing NFOOTY is great for showing a subject is likely to meet GNG, but AfD is where that GNG-meeting SIGCOV should be demonstrated. NSPORT explicitly says in the FAQs at the top of the page The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline; Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not he/she has attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline; and ...as per Q1 and Q2, eventually sources must be provided showing that the general notability guideline is met. The sources found decidedly fail WP:SPORTCRIT, so it does not matter at all that he trivially passes the football project's criteria since those are strictly subordinate to NSPORT. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 23:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

George Story (journalist)

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Prodded by User:Rogermx with "Fails WP:NBIO. No significant coverage, claim of notability not robust." and removed without explanation as usual. Article just paraphrases the paragraph in the source which is not significant coverage or evidence of notability; I couldn't find any other sources. Reywas92 Talk 22:17, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Proded by User:Serial Number 54129 with "It is not a locality, but a house ( [9]): fails WP:GEOLAND." and removed without explanation. Source on page also calls it an estate/house, and coordinates point to Warnford. No indication of notability. Reywas92 Talk 22:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Empire (online game)

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This topic lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources such that we could write a dedicated encyclopedia article on the topic without resorting to original research. It has not been the subject of extended analysis and its only extant coverage consists of minor directory listings: this paragraph and the listing quoted nearly in full in the References. The topic had no substantive additional analytical coverage in Google Books, Google Scholar, or a custom Google search of video game sources. There are no worthwhile redirect targets, as our List of MUDs only lists games with their own articles. czar 22:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I agree with the fact that there is very little coverage of it (and the relatively small article largely depends on such coverage). It is extremely unlikely that anyone would be able to extend the article into a full encyclopedic one, as the game is no longer playable, and I am fairly confident that the topic of MUDs has largely fallen out of fashion to the point where any information about Empire (which is likely to be trivial) is buried under pages upon pages of more relevant search results or locked away in old books. Lankyliver ( talk) 13:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. Nowhere near enough citations and coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. You can't write a comprehensive article with four sources. Namcokid 47 13:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete As per nom. Fails in satsifying GNG. Wrenaudra ( talk) 15:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC) Blocked sock. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SpareSeiko. Blablubbs| talk 12:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete Per nom fails GNG. RockOften ( talk) 17:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to James Cary (writer). Sandstein 07:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NMEDIA. Unsourced for over a decade and I was unable to find anything in my searches. There may be some print sources that I can't access/find. De-PROD'd by Andrew Davidson without a reason. Anarchyte ( talk • work) 08:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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BLP brochure article. Native advertising. NO blp refs!! Sock. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep Talk 21:04, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Routine profile and annoucement references for a BLP. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep Talk 20:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Potentially notable composer, but very very poor references for a BLP. scope_creep Talk 20:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:44, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not seem notable, no reliable sources. EpicPupper 20:49, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 08:15, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

IFood (food delivery)

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Fails WP:NCORP most sources are just mentions or funding announcements. Sanketio31 ( talk) 20:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • I would expect a unicorn company to meet our inclusion standards, but Google mostly shows me funding announcements and opening announcements. The only independent coverage I've come across is this piece by The Times and this one by Reuters where they are called the 'market leader'. Reuters also regularly writes pieces based on their press releases [12] [13] [14] – Thjarkur (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Ledur Brito, Luiz Artur; Pereira Carvalho, Lilian Soares (2018). "Movile: Sustaining an Innovative Culture on a Global Scale". In Iñiguez de Onzoño, Santiago; Ichijo, Kazuo (eds.). Business Despite Borders: Companies in the Age of Populist Anti-Globalization. Cham: Palgrave Macmillan. p. 91, 94, 98. ISBN  978-3-319-76305-7. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      Referring to iFood, the book notes: "The app is a marketplace for restaurants in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia and Mexico delivering over four million orders monthly from 15,000 restaurants to final consumers. iFood became a synonym of food delivery in Brazil." The book notes on page 94: "Movile launched several other apps during this phase with different success levels. The other remarkable success was iFood. Launched in 2014, it became the absolute leader in Brazil and is currently present in Argentina, Colombia and Mexico. Today, 80% of meals delivered via apps in Brazil are done via the iFood platform (Marzochi 2016)." The book discusses on page 98 that mergers and acquisitions with other local apps "fueled" "its path to leadership". Those apps included Hello Food, Papa Rango, and Central Delivery.

    2. da Silva Monty, Renata Cristina (2018-07-25). "Creative Economy: how the interface of Uber Eats and iFood could change your menu". Brazilian Journal of Operations & Production Management. 15 (3). pt:Associação Brasileira de Engenharia de Produção: 413–419. doi: 10.14488/BJOPM.2018.v15.n3.a8. ISSN  2237-8960. Archived from the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      https://bjopm.emnuvens.com.br/bjopm/article/view/427 notes, "This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License." This means the article is free content.

      The journal article notes:

      One of the best-known apps is the Brazilian iFood (it’ll will be called iF), launched in 2011, which gives its users access to the restaurants closest to their location, menus, photos, prices, comments and notes about dishes already ordered. The company's forecast is to reach 5 million orders served in 2017. ... Based on materiality theories and the concept of distributed cognition, it was proposed to analyze the iFood and UberEats applications.

      In the introduction to the iFood app, there is a suggestion that the location feature be activated to find the restaurants closest to the client. It is worth mentioning that this is only possible due to the material resources of the application with geolocalizers. The second step inside the app is the per-mission to receive notifications in order to notify the customer when the request has been confirmed. Once again, the story speaks, since without satellite connections from the servers there would be no communication between iFood and restaurants. After selecting these initial settings, the client visualizes the content in a red and white interface, divided into “Next”, “Japanese”, “Snack” and “Pizzas” categories. At the top, there is still a search field in case you want to type the name of a specific place. As an example, if we click on pizza, the app will show us a list with different places, their logos, the distance of each one of them and the average delivery time. It is worth noting that in iFood not all dishes have a photo, a materiality that can, indeed, be decisive for the choice between certain types of food. On the right hand side are the ratings of other customers, with a score of up to five stars, and it generates an overall average of all those who have left their opinions. Unlike the iFood website, in the application it is not possible to read users’ comments, but only see the number of stars. In the subsection “Best rated”, there are only establishments with a mark higher than 4.5. It is worth pointing out that this tool is used as a surveillance and punishment resource (Foucault, 1997), with differences in the disciplinary societies described by Foucault.

      ... It is also worth mentioning that iFood has the “Discover” field divided into “Promotion”, “Newbies here”, “Free delivery”, “Best value for money”, “Trendy”, and “Close to you” subsections. With these divisions, it is noticed that the materialities of the application, that is, the way it is divided, can totally change the course of those who were interested in Japanese food and, by selecting the field “Promotion”, end up opting for Arab food. Or even the layout of the content increases the possibilities of a particular customer, causing him to discover the food of some establishment that never appears by selecting the subsection “ Tá na moda” or “ Novatos por aqui”. The materiality of iFood also allows tracking the client’s eating habits, since the design of the application makes a history of what has already been consumed. This data can be used by both the app developers to perfect it and by the customers, who keep records of what they have already eaten.

    3. de Lara, Bruna; Braga, Nathália; Ribeiro, Paulo Victor (2020-03-23). "Aplicativos lucram com coronavírus pondo entregadores em risco de contágio" [Applications Profit From Coronavirus Putting Deliverers At Risk Of Contagion]. The Intercept (in Portuguese). Archived from the original on 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes (from Google Translate): "Alone, iFood already received more than 600 thousand orders per day in 2019. ... While governments took isolation measures, iFood fired messages encouraging couriers to get out more. ... On March 16 and 17, when states and municipalities were already taking steps to encourage the isolation of the population, iFood fired at least five messages encouraging couriers to work harder. ... Images like a deliveryman sunk to his knees in a sea of mud during a storm in Belo Horizonte, crossing the flood with the iFood backpack on his back without any protection, show the precariousness to which they are subjected."

    4. Souza, Laura Feijó de (2020). "Trabalhadores informais de aplicativos e o impacto da doença pelo novo Coronavírus: uma reflexão teórica" [Informal app workers and the impact of disease by the new Coronavirus: a theoretical reflection]. Journal of Nursing and Health (in Portuguese). 10 (4). Federal University of Pelotas: 1–16. doi: 10.15210/jonah.v10i4.18740. ISSN  2236-1987. Archived from the original on 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes (from Google Translate): "The first term searched on the Google Trends platform was 'iFood', which led to the indication of the most searched phrases by Internet users with this term, such as "iFood coronavirus", "iFood portal enter" and "iFood cadastr company". ... [discussion about how iFood receives over 600,000 orders every day in 2019] ... In a decision taken by the Public Ministry of Labor (MPT), companies such as iFood and Rappi, the latter that also works with food service, should not interrupt the payment of the delivery man who was contaminated by the Coronavirus."

    5. Meddings, Sabah (2019-12-01). "Just Eat is a tasty starter for iFood, the Brazilian main course: The takeaway pioneer's real appeal is its South American stake". The Times. Archived from the original on 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes, iFood, which serves 7.2m customers a month, has grown to a valuation of more than $1bn, making it a “unicorn”. ... Until 18 months ago, restaurants on iFood were responsible for delivery. Today, 20% of its orders are delivered by iFood — meaning restaurants that have never done takeaways before can list on the platform. Using artificial intelligence, iFood has even started to predict orders, allowing restaurants to prepare dishes before customers have got in touch. ... These innovations have enabled iFood to reduce delivery times from an average of 40 minutes to 28. ... IFood made sales of £123.8m last year, an increase of 91.9%, driven by a doubling of orders. It is 16 times the size of its nearest competitor."

    6. "Food delivery drivers take to the streets in Sao Paulo to protest working conditions". MercoPress. 2020-07-02. Archived from the original on 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes, "Lockdown measures have drawn more demand for delivered food in Latin America's largest economy. Brazil's iFood is the market leader, followed by Colombia's Rappi and Uber, which are larger companies but more prominent in other countries."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow iFood to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 10:08, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

  • A Palgrave Macmillan-published book noted that "iFood became a synonym of food delivery in Brazil" and is "the absolute leader in Brazil" with 80% of meals delivered in Brazil being done through iFood.

    MercoPress and Reuters called iFood the "market leader".

    The Times said of iFood, "It is 16 times the size of its nearest competitor."

    Cunard ( talk)

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The result was delete. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:49, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Promo type content fails NMUSIC Sanketio31 ( talk) 20:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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@ Chiro725: How about cleanup instead of deletion? Looks quite notable as you also highlighted. Maybe a second consideration. Riteboke ( talk) 13:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Onel5969: I would love to create it if given chance. As I am sort of music guy myself and love to write and create pages about music people :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riteboke ( talk • contribs) 17:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Consensus was that the subject is notable under WP:NAUTHOR. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 08:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non-Notable Author with no significant work. No in-depth, independent, reliable source. Sonofstar ( talk) 20:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep Meeting GNG, article showing multiple secondary sources. I added some more. SportsOlympic ( talk) 20:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
— MarkH21 talk 22:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC); struck a duplicate source and changed recommendation 14:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC); changed back to Keep 19:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • You say “ musik heute ( Music Today), which means it is not independent.” What a nonsense that all music sources are not independent. In that reasoning it would mean British media are not counting towards notability of a British person. SportsOlympic ( talk) 13:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • I simply trying to explain that 1st source musik heute ( Music Today) don't have byline, its not independent nor very reliable. 2nd Crescendo source itself is published by musik heute ( Music Today), so this is not independent, for other sources @ MarkH21: explained very well. Sonofstar ( talk) 14:08, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Please share the entire list if available. [15] This is far away from reliable source list. They publish hardly 3-4 news a day and maxiumum 10. I doubt if this blogging site have any fact verification process. Please only share major publication not any random one. Sonofstar ( talk) 04:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • According GNG it enough what you call as “in-depth”: “ A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.” SportsOlympic ( talk) 14:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Sonofstar, you seem to be confusing different levels of notability. At the basic level (that is met here), the author and her body of works are sufficiently covered for a biographic entry that covers her life and the totality of her work. Only at a more advanced level, not clearly met, works become individually notable. This is where I AGREE with you: a full list of works is badly missing from the article. If you really want to help Wikipedia: withdraw and/or create a list of works instead of arguing with other Wikipedians here and wasting everyone's time. That would be the most constructive use of time for this entry! gidonb ( talk) 10:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Thanks for explaining me that one minor source Musik Heute is enough to create a page and helps to pass WP:NAUTHOR #4c. I respect her significant work but unfortunately I can't find sources so after WP:Before I nominated. I have no intention to argue, leaving the discussion for admins and other users. Sonofstar ( talk) 10:24, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Your red herring, the one source that has been approved by the supposed authority of this page, is a gross distortion of my opinion. My opinion on this topic is brief but crystal clear: the collective book reviews make Gabriele Buschmeier notable. These come in addition to the one source you "approved" for us that is NOT the base for my opinion. gidonb ( talk) 11:04, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Sonofstar I suggest you have a second look, it seems you are mistaken here, JSTOR is the site I linked to and is not "one random site with 4 reviews" but one of the most respected and important collection of academic publications in the humanities. It is one of the main ways to check for academic work by and about the author, that is why its included in the AFD help template which is at the top of the page right below her name (see Find sources). The reviews that you dismissed so easily are actually published in " Die Musikforschung 54. Jahrg.", " Music & Letters Vol. 75, No. 2", " Die Musikforschung 46. Jahrg., H. 2", " Notes Second Series, Vol. 50, No. 1" which are all scholarly publications which have entries in Wikipedia and publish to the highest standard in the field. I hope this clears things up, I am not accusing you of failing to do WP:BEFORE but I hope you can change your mind in light of the evidence presented. -- hroest
Hannes Röst you are making some sense, I have no idea about jstor. If Getting reviewed by this site makes an author notable then alright. Now the theory is around JSTOR. Thanks for sharing this and let other editors decide. Rest, I don't agree for any other source. Sonofstar ( talk) 14:02, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
JSTOR is the most widely used database for scientific research, alongside Google Scholar. Given the failed WP:BEFORE, the unnecessary arguing, and the clear notability of the subject, imho it's best to withdraw. gidonb ( talk) 15:18, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Sonofstar: Adding onto what Hannes Röst and Gidonb have said above, the point isn't that the reviews are from JSTOR, which is just an online repository of journal articles. What really matters is that Buschmeier's co-authored books Tanzdramen. Opéra comique. Kolloquiumsbericht der GluckGesamtausgabe and Opera incerta: Echtheitsfragen als Problem musikwissenschaftlicher Gesamtausgaben. Kolloquium Mainz 1988: Bericht were reviewed in Die Musikforschung and Music & Letters respectively, and her solo-authored book Die Entwicklung von Arie und Szene in der französischen Oper von Gluck bis Spontini was reviewed in both Die Musikforschung and Notes. Therefore her work has been the primary subject of [...] multiple independent periodical articles or reviews ( WP:NAUTHOR#3). — MarkH21 talk 04:57, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ MarkH21: Thanks, this is helpful. Sonofstar ( talk) 09:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) EpicPupper 20:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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As noted in cleanup tags on the article, this article has multiple issues; there are no reliable sources (all lead to the product's website/documentation), the article uses second person inappropriately, and a slew of other issues. I re-nominated this as the previous AFD did not include any votes (only comments), and WP:CONSENSUS was not reached (withdrawn by nominator). EpicPupper 19:52, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. As a founder of this open source project, I think some of these issues are caused by my ignorance of the WP:COIN. Now better educated, is it appropriate for me to suggest edits, in the Talk page, to improve the article? (and suggest reverting some of my own edits)
@ Primetomas: You may suggest edits to the article via the process listed at WP:ER. If you wish to revert one of your edits, that is generally permissible, however, you should not revert an edit just because of a conflict of interest. Please note that unless there are significant fixes to the issues outlined in the template located on the article, this AFD will remain. EpicPupper 04:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: AfD is a process in which editors form a consensus about the status of an article. Consensus on Wikipedia cares more about discussion and compromise over "voting". Simply put, AfD is not a vote process.
Additionally, AfD is not the process in which articles with clean up tags get resolved. AfD only cares about sources and notability.
Looking at the sources from the first nomination, the article seems to barely attain notability. Keep this article. JackFromReedsburg ( talk | contribs) 04:57, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Thank you for the guidance, I will keep that in mind next time. Withdrawing as nominator, looking to improve the article as an alternative to deletion. EpicPupper 20:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Female Furies. Sandstein 07:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Coverage seems limited to plot summaries and passing mentions on junk listicles from what I can see. The two non-primary sources in the article contain nothing relevant. TTN ( talk) 19:21, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. The disagreement here is about whether the sources cited by Omegatron are sufficient to support an article in the light of our applicable rules such as WP:GNG. This is a matter of editorial judgment and not something that I can decide by fiat. But I can determine that a sufficiently strong majority of experienced editors think that the sources are insufficient to establish rough consensus for deletion. The three sentences that make up the article can be undeleted (please ask another admin) for a merger to Bryan Caplan, if that is desired. Sandstein 07:13, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Ideological Turing test

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This has been a redirect since 2017 due to lack of support in reliable independent sources. It's recently been reinstated, but the sources were terrible. Most of it was drawn from the inventor himself, Bryan Caplan, on his blog, or material published on the Liberty Fund's websites (Caplan is associated with them). The substantive content was blog posts (including Patheos and Wordpress blogs). What remains after the obviously unreliable are removed, is a couple of namechecks - and that is exactly representative of the level of traction this idea actually has. While Caplan has been assiduously promoted and his opinion (usually primary-sourced) added to large numbers of Wikipedia articles, he is not, in fact, a significant thought leader in economics, he's just a garden variety libertarian think-tanker.

I do not think that this term, with its 139 unique Google hits, is an independently notable subject, and I do not think that adding any number of namechecks and affiliated primary sources can fix that. As a purported term of art in economics, the academic literature is the indicator of whether this is taken seriously. As far as I can tell, it is not. All I can find in remotely serious economic sites is self-published materials and the occasional essay. Guy ( help! - typo?) 19:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Nothing can turn self-published primary sources into RS for the notability of a term that would, if it were notable, be discussed in the economic literature. You should know this. We routinely delete crazy ideas that are only poropounded and refuted on blogs. This is by design. Guy ( help! - typo?) 08:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
The Vox article is a trivial mention. Jlevi ( talk) 13:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
And the "Discover Magazine" item is a blog post, not a magazine story that actually passed through an editorial process. It's a pretty trivial blog post at that, too, in the "hey, this happened" genre. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
The Philosophy and Phenomenological Research item is a short section, only three brief paragraphs, that gives a bare description of the idea and does not discuss its history, shortcomings, use in actual practice, or anything else that I'd expect from an in-depth discussion. (Other sections of the paper actually discuss empirical evidence, compare different thinkers, etc. The bit about the "political Turing test" might be the most insubstantial part of the paper.) It's coverage, but I can't honestly call it WP:SIGCOV. And of all the sources that have turned up so far, that's the one which probably went through the highest standard of review. Really, there's less and less here the more I look at it. Caplan works at Cato, so the Kling book is out. The only source in the list above that is independent, reliable, and close to substantial is the section in Galef's book (it's not a whole chapter). And one source isn't enough for wiki-notability. XOR'easter ( talk) 15:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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This is largely what grift-tanks do: appropriate the work of others, repackage it with spin, and publish it as if it were peerless wisdom. In this case, they did so on Wikipedia despite a clear COI, leading to bans and blacklisting. Guy ( help! - typo?) 10:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
As Rogerian argument says, role reversal, which Rapoport attributed to Carl Rogers, is listening carefully and empathetically enough to be able to state the other's position to the other's satisfaction, and vice versa. For that matter, take the Carl Sagan passage referenced earlier: Towards the end of the course, students select a range of wildly controversial social issues in which they have major emotional investments. Paired two-by-two they prepare for a succession of end-of-semester oral debates. A few weeks before the debates, however, they are informed that it is the task of each to present the point of view of the opponent in a way that's satisfactory to the opponent—so the opponent will say, "Yes, that's a fair presentation of my views." How is the distinction between that and this more than a gimmick? XOR'easter ( talk) 22:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Sources are unreliable ideologically partisan outlets, pace the statement made above, there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. Pure rubbish, undeserving of space in a fact-based encyclopedia. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 04:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Per WP:GNG, a topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. These sources exist—in addition to the sources listed by Omegatron, the sources that provide significant coverage to the topic include at least one book chapter, at least two peer-reviewed journal articles, and two doctoral dissertations available on ProQuest. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] As a result, I believe that the article meets notability standards and I oppose the deletion of the page. — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 08:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ Irwin, William. "Saturday Night Live and the Political Bubble." Saturday Night Live and Philosophy: Deep Thoughts Through the Decades (2020): 51-61.
  2. ^ Hannon, Michael (22 July 2019). "Empathetic Understanding and Deliberative Democracy". Philosophy and Phenomenological Research. 101 (3): 591-611. doi: 10.1111/phpr.12624.
  3. ^ W. Joel Schneider; Alan S. Kaufman (1 February 2017). "Let's Not Do Away with Comprehensive Cognitive Assessments Just Yet". Archives of Clinical Neuropsychology. 32 (1): 8–20. doi: 10.1093/arclin/acw104.
  4. ^ Snow, N. D. (2019). How to Talk: Richard Whately, the Constitutional Conversation, Informal Social Groups, and Reform (Order No. 22587156). Available from ProQuest Dissertations & Theses Global. (2310307809).
  5. ^ Shugars, S. (2020). Reasoning Together: Network Methods for Political Talk and Normative Reasoning (Order No. 27835438). Available from ProQuest Dissertations & Theses Global. (2402915321).
Note that the last 2 are both PhD theses. The second only briefly discusses ITTs and describes it as coming primarily from Hanson. The first thesis includes quite a bit of content, and describes putting together an ITT to gather data for some research. Empathetic Understanding and Deliberative Democracy is a repeat from Omegatron's list above. Jlevi ( talk) 20:14, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The sources are either from within an ideological bubble, unreliably published (e.g., bloggy), or lacking in depth (e.g., a passing mention like "we admire scholars who can pass what Caplan calls the ideological Turing test"). At most, this should be a redirect like it was for years. As I wrote in an RfC last year that concluded it should not be mentioned in Caplan's infobox: Caplan slapped an obvious term on an idea mentioned by Paul Krugman, and advocated by teachers of debate and rhetoric well before Krugman too. "Ideological Turing test" isn't a contribution, it's branding — and it's not our job to propagate that. XOR'easter ( talk) 18:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • If the concept has a noted use in academia outside of the explicit references to the term "Ideological Turing text," then the article topic (namely the test) seems like it would be notable, although the article itself could use a better name. Although it might be better to redirect to a section of the Turing test page (or a subsection within the variants section) rather than to the biography if we decide to merge, since a redirect would seem better targeted to the concept itself rather than to the individual. — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 22:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Afterthought As an academic myself, I can testify that the invention of terminology is one of our primary work products. The number of jargon terms cooked up every year is staggering. I myself have invented a couple that have received a comparable amount of attention to this one (and in peer-reviewed papers, rather than blogs and pop books). Much as I'd love to have Wikipedia articles on my work, the base rate of coinages is so damn high that I can't say my contributions stand out, and if anything I've done does merit explication here, it's better served as a part of a larger whole. So too with "ideological Turing test": it's the furthest thing from a new idea, and the adoption rate of the new word is not actually impressive. For a point of comparison, there are an order of magnitude more Google Scholar results for "moral Turing test" (and unlike this one, that usage actually makes sense, as it is about testing a machine, like the Turing test is). XOR'easter ( talk) 04:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I have to agree with XOR'easter. This should be a redirect at best. Historyday01 ( talk) 21:34, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete sources are lacking in reliability, depth, or both. ( t · c) buidhe 10:41, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Sources weak, agree with other editors that it appears to be an old concept repackaged. Redirect should be restored Slywriter ( talk) 12:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to the main Caplan article. This idea is only ever presented as Caplan's. There's probably enough material to write a paragraph in the Caplan article, but there isn't enough independent/substantive coverage to let it stand on its own. Jlevi ( talk) 13:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • The second source doesn't mention Caplan at all. For all we know, the guy talking about a "political Turing test" there came up with the branding independently (it's not the most imaginative name, after all). XOR'easter ( talk) 14:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete/Merge. There's not enough to maintain a stand-alone article. What information there is here is basically WP:DICDEF, and the three or four sentences necessary to cover this topic can be adequately dealt with at the Brian Caplan article. -- Jayron 32 15:08, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as it's used in scholarly articles (see JLevi's list above) and on prominent blogs such as Lesswrong. It has been noted that this is not a new invention and has been used by rhetoricians, if there is an article that discusses this concept I would change my vote to Merge. Alaexis ¿question? 05:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Per Omegatron's reasoning. I checked the Rogerian argument article and it seems quite clear it's not the same idea. I invite everyone to check that article and form their own opinion. Pablo Stafforini ( talk) 19:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Per User:Omegatron. On another note, some of the language used in this discussion so far has been pretty inflammatory. Atchom ( talk) 03:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete/Redirect to Brian Caplan, this article currently boils down to 2 sentences defining what is an ideological Turing test (the other sentences do not result in claims of notability). -- Dirk Beetstra T C 17:26, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect Julia Galef's new book is one good source, that's enough for a redirect but there needs to be more than that for a standalone article. Brian Caplan seems the obvious target for a section. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:28, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Drip irrigation. Sandstein 07:27, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Article is about a product that was invented in 2007, but no longer produced Here is an article about the invention. It never seemed to catch on and I don't believe it is notable. user:DGG suggested that it be merged to drip irrigation, I respectfully disagree. I just don't think the product is notable enough to even be mentioned there. Rusf10 ( talk) 18:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 23:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Possible covert UPE article on a non notable Dj who doesn’t satisfy any criterion from WP:MUSICBIO. A before search only led me to self published and user generated unreliable sources such as this & this Celestina007 ( talk) 18:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. There is significant coverage in the Guardian and Newsday, so it comes down to WP:ORGIND. This is ultimately a subjective criterion, and the broad consensus here is that the sources are indeed independent. It may be advisable to start a WP:RM to move it to J. T. Allum and Company or similar. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company announcements or information provided by the company or announcements or interviews, etc. We don't doubt the existence of the company, only whether it meets our requirements for establishing notability. None of the references in the article meet the criteria. They are either standard business listings or short articles based on an "announcement" by the company - all of the articles I can find are within the company's echo chamber and I have been unable to find any "Independent Content" as per ORGIND. Topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 18:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Response Hi Megtetg34, the requirements for different topics vary. [WP:BIO]] applies for people and it is a very very easy standard to hit. WP:NCORP applies for companies/organizations. You withdrew both noms but unless/until we can find "multiple" sources that meet NCORP to establish notability, no amount of rewriting or cleaning will fix it. I suggest below, as an alternative to deletion, to redirect this topic to Carlton K. Mack. HighKing ++ 10:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep A notable supermarket with indepth coverage in reputable sources. As also Cullen328 pointed out The solution to a poorly referenced article about a notable business is to improve the referencing and rewrite the article. Deletion is not the answer. Has enough sources to be kept. Riteboke ( talk) 14:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Response Just to emphasise, we're not looking for references to prove the existence of the topic company, but references that fulfill the criteria for establishing notability. Two editors above describe the company as "notable" yet neither have managed to point to references which meet NCORP requirements. Therefore the topic is not notable. Cullen328 points to this T&TG article as a reference that meets the criteria for establishing notabilty but if fails to provide in-depth information *on the company* and fails CORPDEPTH (it is PR with no identifiable journalist hyping the grand opening the previous week). It has been described as "4 paragraphs about the history of the company" - that is simply untrue. There are two sentences which say the following:
JTA Supermarkets is managed and led by one of the oldest business groups in the country and has a very long history in serving local communities. From as far back as the 1930's, the JTA team has successfully managed though the turbulent Second World War, then through the many booms and recessions that followed, yet it has continued to grow from strength to strength.
The above fails CORPDEPTH and judging from the peacock language and lack of an identifiable journalist, I suspect also fails ORGIND. The solution to a poorly written article on a non-notable topic is deletion but that said, as an alternative to deletion it makes sense to Redirect this topic to Carlton K. Mack. HighKing ++ 10:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ HighKing: The Guardian is a top-tier national newspaper, and substantial coverage is substantial coverage, even if the journalist who wrote the story relied too much on clichés. We aren't supposed to be media critics. Guettarda ( talk) 14:05, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep As I noted the last time I voted, the sources seem adequate to me. They are published in reliable, independent newspapers, journals, etc. and are of sufficient depth to pass WP:GNG. -- Jayron 32 11:49, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Wrong guideline, GNG is irrelevant here. We require references that meet NCORP. HighKing ++ 13:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
      • You know, you don't get bonus points for responding to every single vote. We already know that you believe the article should be deleted. You don't get more weight added to your vote merely because you badger everyone with a different opinion of you. Also, WP:GNG is the only relevant page; subjects that pass GNG don't need to pass additional hurdles to be acceptable as articles. -- Jayron 32 13:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - the Guardian, the Express and Newsday are all well-established national newspapers, so substantial coverage in them passes the GNG. Subject-specific guidelines are meant for cases where the GNG isn't met. Guettarda ( talk) 14:04, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Response There appears to be a lot of confusion among some editors above on whether GNG is applicable for establishing notability of a company/organization topic and some are disagreeing when I say GNG is irrelevant (for those purposes). Please see WP:SNG which is the result of a recent RfC. Note the following (emphasis added): SNGs can also provide examples of sources and types of coverage considered significant for the purposes of determining notability, such as the treatment of book reviews for our literature guidelines "and the strict significant coverage requirements spelled out in the SNG for organizations and companies." For those Keep !voters who believe that references exist, post them below so we can examine them against NCORP. HighKing ++ 14:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • I've read WP:ORGIND. I'm sure we all have. A. It doesn't apply here (it's talking about trade publications and PR, not national newspapers of record), and B. it's still subsidiary to the GNG (it's about helping people understand the difference between a trade publication or PR mill and an actual reliable source). If you want to deprecate all of the major newspapers in Trinidad and Tobago, please take it to WP:RSN. Guettarda ( talk) 15:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
      • ORGIND requires "Independent Content" and says "in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject." Nothing to do with the type of quality of the publication. The aim is to ensure that what is written about the company isn't originating from the company itself or "connected" sources. Also, I've posted a link to the RfC and to the relevant paragraph in WP:N which shows that GNG is not primary over NCORP. Tell you what - I'll post this question on WP:N Talk page and lets see what others say. HighKing ++ 11:07, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep based on coverage in the Guardian, the Express, and arguments already posted. Lesliechin1 ( talk) 21:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete Keep as more than 75% of the content has been copied straight from the company's website where there is no indication of it having been published under a compatible license. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 13:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    Deletion is not a valid cleanup option. The copyvio text can be removed, but the sources still exist that establish this topic as a worthwhile subject for an article. -- Jayron 32 14:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    @ Jayron32: I tagged the copyvios earlier, and they have since been removed, but given that what is left is so poor I believe WP:G12 would have been better in hindsight. The opening of a supermarket branch is routine coverage. 'Supermarket employee assists disabled man' doesn't make the supermarket they work in worthy of an encyclopedia article. What is left neither meets WP:NCORP or WP:GNG and is just a G11-worthy promo piece. Perhaps other sources exist, but I am going on the sources used in the article. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 16:36, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    Fair enough. I feel that the sources in the article AND the ones noted above are sufficient to meet minimum requirements, but you're free to believe that they don't. -- Jayron 32 16:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    Changed !vote to keep after Guettarda's rescue work. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 17:57, 27 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Delete Since when is five of anything, notable on Wikipedia, particularly a number of supermarkets. 500 hundred possibly. Looking about, an editor has stated above Guardian, the Express and Newsday are all well-established national newspapers. Good, but where are the sources? There are two sources in the article at the Trinidad Guardian. The first one looks like a press release, a routine announcement of work, with no analysis. The 2nd one 100 jobs with new JTA supermarket at C3 Centre is an interview with the company director. How is it independent? It fails WP:ORGIND and WP:SIRS. Where is the sources from the Express and Newsday???? Certainly, a place that opened in 1943 should be notable, but where is the coverage? 2 or 3 independent sources would be ideal but at the moment it fails WP:NCORP. scope_creep Talk 18:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    One source from the Guardian that was in the article until recently strikes me as significant, independent, reliable and secondary. Newsday reports on the same event. A second one that also strikes me as all these three. This mention, from the Express, while just passing, is a comment that goes to notability from an independent, reliable source: the supermarket and land development empire known today under the JT Allum brand. Combine that with the extensive coverage in the Chamber of Commerce bio of Mack, and Parris' description of "Allum's Supermarkets, the foremost supermarket chain in the southern section of Trinidad". Guettarda ( talk) 22:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - working on expanding the history and looking at the sources that are easily available, I think it would probably make more sense to move this to J. T. Allum and Company since that's both the parent company of JTA Supermarkets, and the developer of Carlton Centre, Cross Crossing Shopping Centre and the new C3 Centre. Except for a decade or so when McAL managed the supermarket side of things, the supermarket and property development businesses have been deeply intertwined. (If memory serves me, the Mack family were one of the largest shareholders in McAL until it was taken over by ANSA in 1987 to form the current ANSA McAL.) Guettarda ( talk) 23:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Feuchtmayer. ✗ plicit 00:02, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No indication of notability. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED Rusf10 ( talk) 17:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No sources found, no evidence that this term is widely used. Rusf10 ( talk) 17:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No evidence that Orlando has an actual financial district. By the article's own admission, it doesn't exist. Rusf10 ( talk) 17:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 17:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Previously deleted page with nothing major improvements. Fails GNG Sanketio31 ( talk) 17:33, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. The previously deleted version was speedy-deleted in 2005 and was pure porn-site spam unrelated to Sjøberg. So we have to evaluate the article freshly rather than relying on any past discussion. — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep. These are the Scopus metrics for Dr. Sjøberg and all 112 of his coauthors with > 10 papers:
Total citations: avg: 2233, med: 1414, Sjøberg: 4110
Total papers: avg: 98, med: 91, S: 78.
h-index: avg: 20, med: 19, S: 32.
Top 5 citations: 1st: avg: 369, med: 204, S: 424. 2nd: avg: 217, med: 125, S: 245. 3rd: avg: 145, med: 106, S: 227. 4th: avg: 117, med: 81, S: 223. 5th: avg: 98, med: 67, S: 218.
Seems to be quite a bit above average across the board. JoelleJay ( talk) 00:27, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. However, sourcing in the article as of right now needs substantial improvement. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 08:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Guo Yi (musician)

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Fails WP:NMUSIC not enough available coverage. Sanketio31 ( talk) 17:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Larkin, Colin, ed. (2006). "Guo Brothers". Encyclopedia of Popular Music (4 ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press. doi: 10.1093/acref/9780195313734.001.0001. ISBN  978-0-19-531373-4. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book has an entry about the Guo Brothers.

      The book notes, "Born in Peking, China, Guo brothers Yue and Yi followed the footsteps of their father, a singer and erhu (Chinese violin) player, and studied China's folk and classical musical traditions. They mastered many instruments in spite of their extreme poverty (at one stage the brothers were forced to pay for their music lessons with cooking oil). ... while Yi played the sheng (Chinese mouth organ) with the Peking Film Orchestra, with whom he recorded over 200 soundtracks. In 1983, Yue moved to England to study at London's Guildhall School of Music. Soon afterwards his brother joined him and together they formed the Guo Brothers group, that also featured Chinese percussion."

    2. Jones, Stephen (2000). Ellingham, Mark (ed.). World Music: The Rough Guide, Vol. 2: Latin & North America, Caribbean, India, Asia and Pacific. London: Rough Guides. p. 43. ISBN  1-85828-636-0. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book has an entry called "Guo Brothers". The book notes that Guo Yi was born in 1954. Raised in "a musicians' courtyard in Beijing", he was a musical pupil in the middle of the Cultural Revolution with his brother, Guo Yue, who was born in 1958. He and his brother immigrated to London at the beginning of the 1980s. The duo "built up a following busking in Covenant Garden". They subsequently composed film scores for The Killing Fields and The Last Emperor. Guo Yi's musical instrument is the sheng, "an ancient Chinese mouth organ".

    3. Sweeney, Philip (1991). The Virgin Directory of World Music. London: Virgin Books. p. 156. ISBN  978-0-86369-378-6. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book notes, "In the UK, the Guo Brothers, Yi and Yue, two classically trained instrumentalists, have worked in a range of formats since their arrival in 1974. Guo Yi plays sheng, a portable mouth-blown organ, of which he was a prominent soloist with the Peking Film Orchestra, while the flautist Guo Yue is a former member of the Chinese Army Orchestra. Both formidable musicians, the Guos worked their way up from busking in London's Covent Garden to participating in the creation of the score to Bertolucci's film The Last Emperor and making solo albums such as 'Yuan', on the Virgin-owned Real World label."

    4. Russell, K.F. (1994). "Guo Brothers article". Rhythm. p. 24. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes, "WOMAD tour by the Guo brothers—Guo Yue, who plays Chinese flutes, and Guo Yi, specializing in the sheng, a hand-held mouth organ. Yuan, the Guo Brothers' recording on the Real World label, offers an excellent sampling of their music for Western listeners. It combines Chinese classical music, with its delicacy and grace, and lively folk songs that bear the stamp of the many outside influences absorbed into the long-standing traditional Chinese Han culture. Traditional melodies, in some cases transposed from works made famous by other instruments such as the lute-like pipa, are arranged in a manner that proudly displays their origins while modernizing their interpretation. ..."

    5. Blumenthal, Howard J. (1998). The World Music CD Listener's Guide. New York: Billboard Books. p. 68. ISBN  978-0-8230-7663-5. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book notes: "When Guo Yue's was a young boy in China, his father, a respected musician, died. His mother was sent away, the result of the Cultural Revolution. Guo Yue and his brother, Guo Yi, grew up in a Beijing ghetto, a musicians' compound where they learned to play a variety of musical instruments. ... Yi became expert with the ancient sheng (a handheld mouth organ). ... Yi became involved with film, eventually composing hundreds of soundtracks.

    6. Niedergang, Ena (2015). Wales China: 250 years of history. Wales: Ying Hua Books. p.  89. ISBN  978-0-9934184-0-2. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book has an entry about the Guo Brothers. The book notes: "Guo Yue and Guo Yi with the help of their sister Yan formed one of China's famous folk musical ensembles in the 1980s and went on to record their music and work on music soundtracks. Since then, they have performed at various venues and festivals throughout Wales, including the Sherman Theatre Cardiff and the Pontardawe International Folk Festival."

    7. Sinker, Mark (September 1985). "WOMAD Festival. Mersea, Essex: 19–21 July". No. 19. The Wire. Retrieved 2021-04-18. {{ cite magazine}}: Cite magazine requires |magazine= ( help)

      The article notes, "Two Chinese brothers, Guo Yi and Guo Yue, are wonderfully astonished at their new popularity, for exploration and exposition of Chinese Folk Music on flue and sheng (a mini pipe-organ, blown): forlorn bending pentatonic wails, mimetic virtuosity."

    8. Boisen, Myles (1997). Erlewine, Michael; Bogdanov, Vladimir; Woodstra, Chris; Erlewine, Stephen Thomas (eds.). All Music Guide: The Best Cds, Albums & Tapes: The Experts' Guide to the Best Releases from Thousands of Artists in All Types of Music. San Francisco: Miller Freeman Books. p.  849. ISBN  0-87930-423-5. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book notes: "The Guo Brothers (Guo Yue and Guo Yi) come from a musical family, and distinguished themselves as young woodwind players in official Chinese orchestras. After leaving China, their musical horizons have broadened, but still reflect the austerity and poise of their native traditions."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Guo Yi to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 17:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NACTOR not enough coverage. Sanketio31 ( talk) 17:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • keep - he seems to satisfy NACTOR criteria 1. There is plenty of "coverage" from a gsearch, albeit and for reasons of language, finding Moroccan reliable sources is difficult. I'm not persuaded that the nominator has completed the diligence due to a subject, sources for which will tend to be in arabic, and uninclined to build more western bias into wikipedia in a situation in which the actor's list of credits appear of length sufficient to give rise to the supposition that criteria 1 is met. -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 17:40, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:27, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet software notability and general notability. When I search online, I see only the project home page and no external coverage at all. Anton.bersh ( talk) 17:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Doboj ethnic cleansing (1992). TheSandDoctor Talk 00:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Zero sources. While there certainly were clashes in Doboj during the time period claimed here, it is dubious that these clashes constituted a siege, and whether they merit an article at all is in question. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 16:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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*Delete a search for the Serbo-Croat term doesn’t even produce unreliable sources. Mccapra ( talk) 18:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Liverpool F.C. 1–2 Grimsby Town F.C. (2001)

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Article fails WP:GNG. It's almost 20 years since the match was played and there's not much in the way of long-term notability about the match aside from one article in the Grimsby Telegraph. This isn't notable in the same way as other giant-killing articles we have here. Due to this, I believe the article should be deleted. NapHit ( talk) 16:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Three-way split between keep, merge and delete, each with good arguments. I'd normally go for merge as a compromise, but here there are also valid arguments against a merger given the length of the target article. Sandstein 07:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

List of Liverpool F.C. matches in international competitions

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Unnecessary page which is just a collection of matches Liverpool played in European competition. We already have an article detailing Liverpool's record in Europe. We don't need to include every single match they've played in Europe because the page is an overview and not a collection of stats. That article has been through the featured article process where it was decided such tables are superfluous. The reader can learn what happened in those matches from the equivalent season articles. Wikipedia is not a collection of stats, so this page is unnecessary and should be deleted. NapHit ( talk) 16:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • That's another argument entirely, and if we accept it, we're going to have to do a lot of work. These sorts of tables are the usual way by which we present information about matches played in Europe, whether it be Örebro SK, Lokomotiva Zagreb, Manchester United, or in the case of FC Anzhi Makhachkala, as a collapse-able table (which would be my suggestion if this is up-merged), clearly showing they're not WP:CRUFT (either because the entire topic is unknown outside fan circles, or because too much detail is present that will bore, distract or confuse a non-fan – neither of these are true - the only reason the second might be satisfied is because there's so much of information here in this specific article), but rather an integral way of displaying encyclopaedic data related to European football matches. SportingFlyer T· C 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • I also want to push back on the argument "it was decided that such tables were superfluous." This does not appear to be consensus, but the nom's personal opinion. The matches table was removed from the original article in August 2010 by the AfD nom, but the first Good Article assessment was in October 2010, and there's no consensus on the talk page about its inclusion/removal. In fact, one of the good article reviewers even suggested adding this table here (point #8), but NapHit unilaterally decided the table wasn't worth including [24]. Presenting this as a consensus against the table doesn't appear to be a correct analysis. SportingFlyer T· C 14:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
A collapsible table fails MOS:DTT and WP:ACCESS, so that's a non-starter. It's not another argument, it's relevant to this point. Should we include these tables just because we can. In the case of smaller European clubs, I think there is a case for including them. In the case of Liverpool, I don't think there is a case for including in the parent article. It would become too long and unruly. The question then becomes, are these lists worthy of standing alone? As Koncorde mentions below, what then stops you from creating a list of domestic league and cup matches? The reviewer on the GA didn't push back when I said we didn't need the table. Nor did anyone advocate for the table's inclusion during the featured article process. The same was the case with the Arsenal article. That's a consensus on how the articles should be structured. This is why we have season articles. All the information is included in self-contained summaries. NapHit ( talk) 20:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
WP:ACCESS doesn't specifically fail them, but does mention that if length is a concern that the topic be moved under a different heading or split. We also have articles for lists of domestic league and cup matches: they're in the specific season articles for each club. A table representing an overview of European competitions is clearly different, however, given how we present the information in other articles, and the Liverpool article may even be at a stage where the European statistics could qualify for a stand-alone article, including this table. SportingFlyer T· C 00:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
So should there be a list for List of Liverpool F.C. matches in Domestic Cups and List of Liverpool F.C. matches in Domestic Leagues? There is a reason we use Season articles as self contained summaries. Koncorde ( talk) 19:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
No, but we also don't have a completely separate article for those competitions, either. SportingFlyer T· C 20:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
This is a giant rabbit hole if we go down this road. That's why we have the season articles. Liverpool could be playing in Europe for another 100 years, so you'd have a list which is even longer and unruly as you add every match they've ever played. The season articles are much easier to keep under control. We have summaries by competition, club and country in the European article, that's more than enough. The only other option would be to split the current list up into by year lists, along the lines of the national team results lists we have. But, it's arguable whether this has any encyclopedic merit. NapHit ( talk) 20:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Per NH. A list doesn't require there to be a separate article to be dependent upon (they can just refer to the main Club article if so). However all the arguments in support of this list are in support of all lists of results compiled. As you said, it would be quicker and easier to read all their results on one page. Koncorde ( talk) 23:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
The list isn't actually dependent on a separate article, though it makes sense as its own article as a proper WP:SPLIT. We could easily include the information, hatted, in the main article. SportingFlyer T· C 00:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
O really, you're going that route, do you want to delete England national football team results (1872–1899) and all the rest that follow also? It really is no different, articles can be split. We cover European results, league, cup, you name it. It's all covered somewhere, at times in multiple places, this is you singling out one article, which is done on multiple other articles. FC Barcelona in international football shows a load of results, but has no-where near the same quality as the Liverpool in Europe. You might as well drive down a road the wrong way! Govvy ( talk) 22:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
And the Barcelona article is a shit-show too. No consistent format, no consistent structure etc. WP:OTHERSTUFF isn't a defence, particularly if you raise an article that is probably even more guilty of crimes against formatting and readability. Koncorde ( talk) 23:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
The entirety of that Barcelona article is a dog's breakfast, even the results tables aren't properly formatted. SportingFlyer T· C 00:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Nowhere did I say I want to delete the national football team results. I don't think you understood my point. I'm questioning whether these results merit their own article. Like Koncorde states, if we create separate European results lists, what's stopping us from creating domestic results lists? Are these lists encyclopedic? Just because they are currently on here, doesn't necessarily mean they are. The Barcelona article you mention should be brought up to the standard of the Liverpool and Arsenal article. Doing that would mean the list of results would have to be either deleted or split due to its length. Personally, I don't think we need separate lists when we have season articles for the clubs and the competition. The European articles are a side point of the history of the teams. There probably needs to be a discussion at WP:FOOTY about this, as the issue is bigger than one list or article. 11:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete this subject is covered in a much better way at the FL Liverpool F.C. in international football, and we don't need an WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of every match they played in these competitions. Usually I would say merge to that article, but there isn't any content here that would benefit that (really good) FL. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep As one of the foremost clubs in the sport, with a significant history international competition, this level of detail is within the scope of Wikipedia per Wikipedia:Five pillars – specifically, this is exactly the kind of material you would expect to see in a specialised football almanac. The nomination says "Wikipedia is not a collection of stats", but that is untrue – the five pillars say Wikipedia is not an "indiscriminate collection of information". This information is highly discriminate with a clear scope and focus, and Liverpool F.C. matches in international competition is clearly a notable topic. I'm happy for the material to be accommodated at Liverpool F.C. in international football, though due to the length of both this list and the article, I think the stand-alone list approach is preferable. SFB 16:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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"Supergroup" lacking significant coverage in reliable sources establishing notability. Meatsgains( talk) 15:56, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Not very notable, certainly doesn't meet WP:SOLDIER. Highest award that isn't a jubilee medal is Order of Red Star (certainly not qualifier for notability), reliable estimates indicate ~28 kills as sniper, certainly not notable either. No indication of wartime media coverage, later media coverage and information is scant. Doesn't even have Russian wikipedia article, not even clear if she is currently alive or not. PlanespotterA320 ( talk) 15:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

@ PlanespotterA320:, WP:SOLDIER has been deprecated. Please do not cite it to help determine a consensus anywhere. Thanks - wolf 02:45, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Oops. I see thats has been mentioned below. NM - wolf 02:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:59, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Defunct translator station, does not meet WP:BCAST guidelines for notability. An IP address deproded this, claiming it was "clearly notable", am I missing something? Rusf10 ( talk) 15:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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@ Sammi Brie:If the station was still active, I would have just redirected to List of Three Angels Broadcasting Network affiliates, but since it is not, I think delete would be better, rather than lead the reader to a page where there's no mention of the station.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 21:33, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was closed; the article has been moved to draftspace by the article creator, User:2002Alice. Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No claim of significance, unverifiable. An upcoming film made by two students. Neither the film nor the people involved with it have been mentioned in a reliable source. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:02, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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"made by two students" is completely mistaken. My client is a certified actor and it is completely unnecessary to call him a student. In which part of the article is there a self promotion? The Article is completely impartial. what I want is that it be moved to draft and that is not excluded. 2002Alice (talk) 16:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Sonofstar ( talk) 15:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable, fail to pass GNG. Sonofstar ( talk) 14:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 06:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails to meet WP: NSongs. Only presents one good source, Hot New Hip Hop. XXL magazine only mentions the song was one of their favorites of the week, while Times of India only mentions the video and cites lyrics of the song. Entering charts doesn't mean a song is notable. The rest of the article is composed of album reviews and "self-interested parties" such as a manager and producers. MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 14:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge/redirect to the album, Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon ( t · c) buidhe 20:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon - Coverage from album reviews should be condensed and incorporated in the Music and lyrics section of the album article. It does not contribute to the song meeting notability standards per WP:NSONG.-- N Ø 08:43, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect: lack of independent sources and it was not a massive hit; I regret reviewing this properly in the first place. -- K. Peake 07:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • WP:SNOW close as the charts give it independent notability. This is another nomination that depends on downplaying significance. If XXL is putting it on a list of best songs, that is not a "mention." Times of India doesn't "only mention the video and cite lyrics of the song". If they talk about the lyrics, that is not a passing mention. That's WP:SIGCOV. "Was not a massive hit" is a tautological claim and extremely based in subjectivity that would be WP:ORG to determine. This was a top 40 hit on the actual charts of both the US and Canadian Hot 100 (the prime f---ing charts of those countries), which gives it independent notability. In his nomination for vulnerable, Excuse that, my apologies, I forgot it was a different user's nomination because it used a similar rationale to this one. Mario tried to downplay that track's chart performances by stating three of the four chart positions of countries were "unofficial" because they weren't top 100 charts, which is blatant BS. He doesn't even have that excuse to do that here. He has tried to downplay the significance in charts even in Afds that aren't about song articles, such as in List of Taylor Swift live performances: "Back then you only make it with having a record deal, nowadays you can reach to the top spot of a chart with no record deal." Charting without a record deal changes absolutely nothing. Billboard has decrease how much streaming plays a role in their chart methodology, with radio and actual sales more prominent and thus less depend on simple streams of Youtube videos and Spotify. He then admits in that same nomination "Not everyone will make it, it is impossible but artist like the ones I referenced sticked out like a sore thumb and to some extend they made it, due to timing, music, memes and other stuff." He pretty much debunked his own claims in the next sentence, admitting his survivorship bias anecdotes of sudden success stories like Mackelmore, 69 and Lil Nas X were "sore thumbs" that didn't reflect that success of 99% of acts who do the same thing. All this stuff about charts and certifications not being that important is based in feelings and anecdotes rather than actual facts and empirical evidence, and we need a guideline or a essay page stating claims like what MarioSouldTruthFan is saying in nonsense. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 20:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
"Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts. (Note again that this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable)". They don't talk anout the lyrics, they cite the lyrics, they don't say anything about that...you would know if you actually saw the source, which you didn't. I didn't nomiante that article to be delited, not sure why do you make false claims, once more. First uou took our conversation complety out of context, and secondly it can't be aplied here. No, its based on the guideles on WP:NSongs, which you would know if you actually read it. MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 20:12, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Apologies about the false claim. I didn't mean to make one as I thought it was you as you used similar reasoning. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 21:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Busola Dakolo

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Promotional article for a non notable individual who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources and only became famous for accusing a Clergyman of rape. A before search centers around her accusing the clergyman of rape but she is never never discussed with in-depth significant coverage. The sources used in the article are all unreliable as they are yet to develop a reputation for fact checking. Celestina007 ( talk) 19:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • The article includes an accusation of a serious crime against a named person which has been dismissed by a court. Surely that accusation should be revision deleted per WP:BLP? This would certainly be done in the case of such an accusation against an American or a Brit, so why do people think it is OK to leave it when it is against a Nigerian? Phil Bridger ( talk) 19:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Phil Bridger, a brilliant observation there & you definitely raise a very valid point. Celestina007 ( talk) 19:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus is to delete with only one of the keep votes being grounded in any guideline Fenix down ( talk) 07:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL never having played at the professional level as stated at WP:FPL One appearance on the bench (unused) in Serie A in 2018/19, currently 4th tier in Italy. Not finding GNG in this case. JW 1961 Talk 18:04, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom, and Spiderone's rationale give above. Namkongville ( talk) 15:15, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Spiderone's analysis shows Farcaș has not been the subject of SIGCOV whatsoever. Routine match reports and transfer announcements are the definition of trivial; if they could be added up to meet SIGCOV then, all else being equal, players who bounced around from club to club would be at a distinct advantage for notability over people retained on teams despite no new in-depth information being provided. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:00, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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This company no longer exists (and it failed WP:GNG when it did). It was bought and merged into Central Smith, itself a non-notable dairy with one location near Peterborough Ontario. Lard Almighty ( talk) 11:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:39, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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BLP of a city councilman of Charlotte NC which does not pass WP:NPOL. The subject is not otherwise notable. Mccapra ( talk) 10:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Charlotte NC is not a global city for the purposes of guaranteeing the "inherent" notability of its city councillors just because they exist as city councillors, but the article relies almost entirely on primary sources that are not support for notability at all, rather than reliable source coverage that would actually help to get him past WP:NPOL #2. At the city council level of office, the notability test is not "he exists as an officeholder" — it is "it's possible to write a substantive and well-sourced article that makes a credible case as to why he should be seen as more special than most other city councillors", and this isn't doing that. Bearcat ( talk) 03:56, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Charlotte is not one of the very short list of cities where memebers of the city council are default notable. We do not have enough sourcing to justify an article when we do not clearly meet politican notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 12:53, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Joshua G. Stein

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BLP tagged for notability in the NPP queue for two months. Notability is doubtful - although there are sources there isn’t in-depth coverage. The article seems promotional. There is reference to academic roles but these don’t pass WP:NPROF. Mccapra ( talk) 10:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Isn't close to passing NACADEMIC. As for GNG, what I do see appears to be interviews and in connection to the company (Radical Craft) and not so much on Stein himself. The coverage is also not significant in number, as such this does not pass GNG.-- Eostrix  ( 🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 06:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. As an architect he either needs to be cited in the literature to fulfill WP:NPROF or have designed some notable buildings per WP:ARCHITECT which do not seem to be the case. Winning a competition with something that is not yet built does not qualify in my book. -- hroest 14:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Insufficient discussion on sources for a strong consensus to exist at this time. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 09:29, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No references, online search doesn't produce any proof of subject passing WP:GNG. Highly likely a paid-for article. Nearlyevil665 ( talk) 21:05, 2 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Actors Circle Theatre

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This article concerns an acting school in Los Angeles, California. Since the article's creation in 2006, it has cited no sources. BEFORE searches do not return any meaningful coverage of the school as this was the only source I found. Thus I do not believe this article can pass WP:GNG or any more specific notability guideline.

For anyone else who goes searching for sources, please note that there is a similar theatre in New Hampshire that does not appear to be related to this school. DocFreeman24 ( talk) 00:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Article about a television "micro-series" (that thing where advertisers format their advertising as short-format "drama" or "comedy" series instead of conventional 30-second commercials), not properly referenced as passing WP:TVSHOW. Things like this are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because their existence is technically verified by an IMDb page -- the notability test is reliable source coverage about the show by recognized television critics to establish its significance. But the only footnote here is a press release from the network that aired it, a primary source that is not support for notability at all, and the strongest other source I can find on a WP:BEFORE search is a Q&A interview in an industry trade magazine in which one of the show's executive producers is talking about it in the first person -- which is not fully independent of the show, and thus not enough to make the show notable all by itself if it's the strongest source on offer. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this show from having to have much more media coverage about it than this. (Also probable conflict of interest, if you compare the creator's username to the producers' names in the infobox.) Bearcat ( talk) 18:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. I find it a bit perverse to have articles about advertisements, and all the moreso if they're barely-cited stubs. Bearcat's explanation is strong, and there's nothing I can dig up to contradict it. Vaticidal prophet 09:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Realtek. Keep !votes have not provided adequate reasoning for keeping apart from WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 09:45, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non notable organization that fails to satisfy WP:NCORP as they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. A before search turns up nothing cogent other than unreliable sources such as this. Celestina007 ( talk) 20:05, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Info Edge. Those who wish to merge can retrieve the content from the article history. (Recommend adding {{ R from merge}} to the redirect after merging.) (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 09:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fail of WP:GNG and WP:ORG. nearlyevil 665 09:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

BKV Előre SC

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Fail of WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. nearlyevil 665 08:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep a Hungarian Cup runner-up and former first division club will have sourcing even if they're in the third division now and played in the first division for only four seasons in the 1940s, which will likely also have sourcing. [25] [26]. This contains a list of recent articles on the club. Needs improving, not deleting; the Hungarian article would be a good place to start, though unfortunately it's light on sourcing too. SportingFlyer T· C 10:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Tom and Jerry filmography. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 10:16, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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I am afraid this topic fails to meet GNG/ WP:NFILM. During my BEFORE I failed to find any reference to this outside a few passing mentions that it exists. The cited Encyclopedia entry is sadly just a mention in passing; this short does not have its own entry - the edition I checked (newer, the 2008 edition of the same cited encyclopedia) only mentions the subject in the main Tom and Jerry article, in the timeline entry for 1962 as one of the T&J releases for that year ("...“Tall in the Trap” (Deitch/Sept. 1); “Sorry Safari” (Deitch/Oct. 1); “Buddies Thicker Than Water” (Deitch/Nov. 1);..."). It seems this short doesn't have anything else to say about itself outside "I exist"; no reliable source discusses its history, inspiration, reception, significance, etc. At best, this can be redirected to some list of Tom and Jerry shorts, if one is created (or maybe there is a better list someone can find)? Unless someone can find sources I missed, I am afraid this is the best we can do. We are not a catalogue of non-notable animation shorts or similar entities. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:40, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep The quality of the nomination and its BEFORE may be judged from the fact that it cites a redlink, not having managed to find the Tom and Jerry filmography which lists all T&J cartoons. The page in question is an obvious spinoff, the driveby does not identify any significant problem that needs fixing and, in any case, this is not cleanup. The usual policies apply: WP:ATD, WP:NOTPAPER, WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:49, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Multiple books cover animated shorts in detail from this era, including the one cited in the article that covers this film as well. Also covered in Tom and Jerry: The Definitive Guide to Their Animated Adventures By Patrick Brion 1990. Donaldd23 ( talk) 11:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Donaldd23, As I have demonstrated in the OP, the book cited in the article DOES NOT cover this animated short in any detail. As for Tom and Jerry: The Definitive Guide to Their Animated Adventures, please tell me how you got access to this work? I don't see it searchable on Google Books or Amazon, nor was I able to locate this book anywhere else I looked. Anyway, looking at sample images like [27] it is possible this book has a paragraph about the cartoon - but what this sample also shows is that the coverage in that book doesn't go beyond pure plot summary. In fact, who knows, our article may be a copyvio from this book, since both are just plot summaries. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:51, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
      • Since when does Wikipedia require the contents of EVERY book to be available and searchable online? That is NOT a requirement. The film is covered in the book, that's enough. As to how I "got access to this work", I don't need to prove to you that I own this book. It exists and it covers this film, that makes it pass, at the very least, WP:GNG. Donaldd23 ( talk) 12:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
        • The burden of proof is on you to show that the source meets the definition of significant coverage as required by GNG. If you don't have access to the source, then you have no way of knowing what the source says about the topic. The very act of being mentioned in a book is not significant coverage in itself. TTN ( talk) 13:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to the main list of cartoons. One keep is a completely dishonest attempt at wikilawyering, and the other discusses coverage without actually providing any context as to what pertinent information exists in the source. I cannot seem to find a searchable copy of the Definitive Guide listed, but the single preview picture I can find shows coverage is limited to one or two paragraphs and some screenshots of each cartoon. The text is illegible, but I cannot imagine the context is more than a minor plot summary. If you have access to the source and can provide some quotes pertaining to non-plot information, please let me know. The source in the article seems to be no different and currently is not used to cite anything beyond a single date. TTN ( talk) 16:36, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Tom and Jerry filmography. Encyclopedias are not a catalog all movies or episodes of various franchises, list will suffice for that. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 03:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Tom and Jerry filmography - The nomination and TTN have done a sufficient job at analyzing the available sources, showing that a stand alone article is not warranted for this short. It is covered on the main filmography article already, so redirecting there is appropriate. Rorshacma ( talk) 20:14, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Tom and Jerry filmography. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 10:24, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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I am afraid this topic fails to meet GNG/ WP:NFILM. During my BEFORE I failed to find any reference to this outside a few passing mentions that it exists and is a parody of Moby Dick (here's the best one). The cited Encyclopedia entry is sadly just a mention in passing; this short does not have its own entry - the edition I checked (newer, the 2008 edition of the same cited encyclopedia) only mentions the subject in the main Tom and Jerry article, in the timeline entry for 1962 as one of the T&J releases for that year ("...“Calypso Cat” (Deitch/June 1); “Dicky Moe” (Deitch/July 1); “The Tom and Jerry Cartoon Kit” (Deitch/Aug. 1);..."). It seems this short doesn't have anything else to say about itself outside "I exist"; no reliable source discusses its history, inspiration, reception, significance, etc. At best, this can be redirected to some list of Tom and Jerry shorts, if one is created (or maybe there is a better list someone can find)? Unless someone can find sources I missed, I am afraid this is the best we can do. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep The quality of the nomination and its BEFORE may be judged from the fact that it cites a redlink, not having managed to find the Tom and Jerry filmography which lists all T&J cartoons. The page in question is an obvious spinoff, the driveby does not identify any significant problem that needs fixing and, in any case, this is not cleanup. The usual policies apply: WP:ATD, WP:NOTPAPER, WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Multiple books cover animated shorts in detail from this era, including the one cited in the article that covers this film as well.Also covered in Tom and Jerry: The Definitive Guide to Their Animated Adventures By Patrick Brion 1990. Donaldd23 ( talk) 11:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    Donaldd23, As I have demonstrated in the OP, the book cited in the article DOES NOT cover this animated short in any detail. As for Tom and Jerry: The Definitive Guide to Their Animated Adventures, please tell me how you got access to this work? I don't see it searchable on Google Books or Amazon, nor was I able to locate this book anywhere else I looked. Anyway, looking at sample images like [28] it is possible this book has a paragraph about the cartoon - but what this sample also shows is that the coverage in that book doesn't go beyond pure plot summary. In fact, who knows, our article may be a copyvio from this book, since both are just plot summaries. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:52, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Since when does Wikipedia require the contents of EVERY book to be available and searchable online? That is NOT a requirement. The film is covered in the book, that's enough. As to how I "got access to this work", I don't need to prove to you that I own this book. It exists and it covers this film, that makes it pass, at the very least, WP:GNG. Donaldd23 ( talk) 12:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • The burden of proof is on you to show that the source meets the definition of significant coverage as required by GNG. If you don't have access to the source, then you have no way of knowing what the source says about the topic. The very act of being mentioned in a book is not significant coverage in itself. TTN ( talk) 13:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. There is consensus that the subject is notable by WP:GNG. This might also have been eligible for a speedy keep per WP:SK#1, with the nominator deleting a copy-pasted nomination rational shortly after creating this AfD page. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 17:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep: Loads of coverage of her from before this Big Boss thing, focussed on her powerlifting and wearing of the hijab: [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], [40]. I don't know what the rules are for bodybuilders specifically, but I think she's passed the general notability rules. Would consider draftifying until revised into a full article. Furius ( talk) 11:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Strong Keep: The nominator hasnt even given a proper reason for this nomination. Also something suspicious has happened to the article. After the nom Bilal.Choudary2 nominated the article for deletion, an IP came and blanked some section of the article just after 3 minutes. I dont know whether it is a coinincidence or something well planned. The subject is the first Hijabi powerlifiter from Kerala. The sources in the article are giving enough in-depth coverage to the article. If someone is not satisfied with the sigcov, please ping me. I can provide more Malayalam sources here. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 00:18, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus on WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 10:41, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Viðar Örn Hafsteinsson

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Simply does not meet WP:NBASKETBALL. Onel5969 TT me 02:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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For me it would probably be these: Morgunblaðið - Coverage about him and his success with Höttur. Vísir.is/Stöð 2 - An interview on Stöð 2 with him regarding his stay with the team and recent promotion in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic in Iceland. Fréttablaðið - Article/interview regarding him and the flow of foreign players in the Icelandic leagues. This one is also from Vísir.is but is a good coverage about him and his team and a discussion about the interview with him. He became a bit of a cult phenomenon due to his bluntness in the interview and his quotes have been frequent headlines in the Icelandic media. [41] [42] [43] [44]
  • Keep - I agree that the sources above are enough to demonstrate WP:GNG, which simply requires that multiple reliable sources discuss the subject in a non-trivial way (multiple paragraphs dedicated to the subject would be more than a trivial mention); the references cited are from major reliable Icelandic publications, many of which I am familiar with when working on Icelandic footballer articles. Furthermore, there would be no obvious merge target so it's essentially keep or delete. There's definitely enough Icelandic media coverage to support a keep vote in this instance. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Here, the keeping arguments have not properly addressed the deletion arguments fully, so comparatively the deletion arguments weigh more. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 11:00, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not warrant its own article per WP:GNG. None of the sources discuss the subject in question directly. Not enough significant coverage by reliable secondary sources. Relies mostly on primary sources. Throast ( talk) 13:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Seems to have a lot of coverage. The BBC:
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  • Keep Agree for the reasons stated above. The article needs to be improved by incorporating those better sources, but they do exist. The notability disclaimers currently on there have that covered for the time being. Internetronic ( talk) 19:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete assuming that Spiderone's "keep" !vote is solely procedural. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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A WP:BEFORE search in both English and Malayalam reveals nothing besides trivial and routine coverage. Fails WP:GNG. YogeshWarah Talk 04:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Several improvents have been made on the article which makes it passes GNG (non-admin closure) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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There is no RS coverage of this group. The page was the subject of a AfD in 2012 which resulted in a no-consensus. In the decade since then, no RS content has been added to the page. In short, the group does not meet notability requirements. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 15:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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I improved the article to at least 'keep' standard - it needs more work, for sure (from someone more engaged in this area than I), but it's the leading environmental organisation in the Emirates. Any attempt at a BEFORE would have established that. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 10:56, 6 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Subject doesn't meet WP:NPOL: Mayor-elect of a city of about 78,000. WP:PROD (within 3 hours of creation) and WP:Draftify (within a day of creation) reverted, so here we are. Closeapple ( talk) 05:18, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per own nomination: Bloomington, Illinois isn't big enough for a mayor to be considered inevitably notable. Mwilambwe's only other elected office is as an alderman, which is a district member of the same city council. His highest professional position is on a department's staff at Illinois State University in the same city. The biography is lifted straight from his campaign site; the only independent coverage on Google web/news searches appear to be local routine coverage of city council and campaigns. WP:PROD was removed by the article creator Uinko ( talk · contribs) without comment; move to WP:Drafts was moved back to article space by GoldAu79 ( talk · contribs), another relatively inexperienced user, also without comment. -- Closeapple ( talk) 05:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as per nom, misses multiple coverage for BASIC. RockOften ( talk) 16:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Don't Delete I think the page should stay as the current mayor, Tari Renner has a page already, though I understand that since Mwilambwe wouldn't be considered notable enough yet, I suppose it could be placed back under draft until he would be considered notable enough. GoldAu79 ( talk) 01:34, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • I re-created the Renner article relying more on his professorship than his mayoral position. I'd be unopposed to that deletion if opposed. --Mpen320 via mobile
    • Tari Renner's notability seems marginal at best, and Mboka Mwilambwe has less notability than Renner; for example, Renner was at least Democratic nominee for Congress and had a minor regular spot on WEEK-TV, and those aren't even enough to match Wikipedia:Notability. As Mpen320 implied, the only way even Renner might be notable is if he's particularly well-known in his academic field of political science, not necessarily as as actual public politician, and right now I don't even see much proof of that. -- Closeapple ( talk) 01:04, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nomination.--Mpen320 via mobile
  • Move to Draft I see, well Could you move it back to draft so then I could continue working on it until the page is considered notable enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldAu79 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Bloomington IL is not a large or important enough city to guarantee the "inherent" notability of every mayor it's ever had — but the article is not sourced well enough to clear the bar that mayors actually have to clear (which is the ability to write and reliably source a substantial article that demonstrates his political significance, not just the ability to verify that he won the mayoral election.) And no, just because his predecessor has an article doesn't mean he automatically gets one too, either: his predecessor is demonstrating preexisting notability as an academic, and isn't depending on mayoralty alone, but even when it comes to the mayoralty he's still showing considerably more substance and sourcing than this is. Again: the notability test for mayors is not "verifiably elected as mayor = automatically in" — it requires much more significance and much more sourcing than just showing minimal verification that he exists. Bearcat ( talk) 04:02, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Mottezen ( talk) 18:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

HP Data Protector

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The sources included are either sponsored posts, primary sources, or articles where the topic is only mentioned in passing. The only good source is this: [45], and it's from 1992. There is also a user guide on google books, but I don't think it's independent from the subject. Mottezen ( talk) 04:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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After nominating this article, I tried searching "omniback" on google books and got lots of results. Omniback is described in the article as the previous name of this software, before 2004. I'm now thinking that this subject is only notable historically, under a name different than the title. What should we do in this situation? Mottezen ( talk) 05:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

  • See whether it is possible to use those sources to make the article better. Consider how in-depth they are. Cite the good ones in the article. And boldface the alternative article title so that the next editor along spots this more easily. ☺ The question that you have to answer for yourself is, on the basis of what you have found, whether you still want this entire edit history deleted; and whether it now seems possible to write a proper in-depth article from good in-depth sources. Uncle G ( talk) 12:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • I think it's possible to write an unbiased article about this subject during the 1990s, but the promotional and primary nature of all the sources available since makes this current article little more than a promo page. I will withdraw my nomination, delete all the promotional text, but stop short of rewriting a new article because I'm not very familiar with backup softwares at all. Mottezen ( talk) 18:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Wild Oak Music Group

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I cannot find any reliable, independent sources that provide significant (or any) coverage of this music group. Either delete outright, or merge the important 10% of this article into California State University, Chico. JackFromReedsburg ( talk | contribs) 04:24, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

1:6 scale modeling

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I see no evidence that a 1:6 scale model is particularly notable. Article is full of WP:OR. If it wasn't for the about.com article that is cited, I would say that the term "playscale miniaturism" is made up because it isn't used anywhere else. Rusf10 ( talk) 03:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. ✗ plicit 06:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Chamaki

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Fails WP:GEOLAND:

Its population has been reported exactly zero in the 2016 census. Ctrl+F "040333" here.

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:30, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable company. Unsourced and no coverage can be found outside of press releases in industry journals. Should be deleted per WP:CORP. Ganesha811 ( talk) 20:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Log entry:

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Marco Parisotto

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Reads like an advert, full of primary-source quotes instead of facts. Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 01:06, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 04:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Reylynn Caster

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The actress does not seem noteworthy actress as per the policy WP:ENT. This article should be discussed to see if it fits. Dixiku ( talk) 00:29, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep: has a significant role in this The Young and the Restless thing, which seems to be a pretty notable show, based on the amount written about it on wiki. Furius ( talk) 10:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. KaisaL ( talk) 14:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

E.C. Illa

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Looks to fail GNG and NMUSICIAN. There are some mentions of him out there but only in unreliable sources, and even then there is no in-depth discussion. Article is also very promotional in tone. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 13:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC) reply

A c Kadlur

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The person did not win a single election. Doesn't satisfy the minimum criteria set by WP:NPOL. Dixiku ( talk) 00:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  1. ^ "The main fight is between Congress and BJP in Yadgir district". February 15, 2016. Archived from the original on February 16, 2016. Retrieved April 17, 2021 – via www.thehindu.com.
  2. ^ Naraboli, Ravikumar (March 17, 2018). "JD(S) may have to sweat it out in Yadgir". Archived from the original on November 9, 2020. Retrieved April 17, 2021 – via www.thehindu.com.
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The result was keep. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NFOOTY - has not yet played in a fully professional league. ... discospinster talk 23:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. TheSandDoctor Talk 05:43, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Gateway (computer program)

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Not seeing any sources that use this term in this way. Rusf10 ( talk) 23:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Thanks for your advice. Hope the revised rationale convinced you. Chirota ( talk) 12:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Clear consensus bordering WP:SNOW to keep. Closing. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:43, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Rebecca Chalker

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Borderline advert; I see no indication that this subject meets the WP:GNG. BD2412 T 23:01, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Keep, while the content of the article is objectionable, the subject meets the criteria of inclusion as there are multiple references about her as [1], [2], [3], [4], so she passes WP:GNG. Chirota ( talk) 01:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete lacks SIGCOV. The references mentioned by Chiro725 are not specifically about Rebecca (ref #4 appears to be a about a completely different person). - KH-1 ( talk)
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Pburka, actually there was something objectionable, a sentence though - which I removed already. Chirota ( talk) 22:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Ezra Levant. TheSandDoctor Talk 05:44, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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After removing all the self-sourced material, there was nothing left apart from coverage of the cartoons controversy. I went looking for sources to remedy that and came up blank. I am not convinced this website is actually notable. Guy ( help! - typo?) 22:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. The consensus is the subject passes NFOOTY. (non-admin closure) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:13, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The article is completely unsourced and does not demonstrate notability. The only sources I could find were brief notations on lists of football players: [6], [7], [8]. I'm not particularly experienced with WP:NFOOTBALL, so I suppose it's possible that he meets that, but it doesn't really seem like it. Aerin17 ( talk) 18:01, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Playing for Inter Milan and other Serie A teams even if for a single match makes him pass WP:FOOTY. References are not where the emphasis should be for a footballer when basic criteria of WP:FOOTY are met, which is this case. Chirota ( talk) 01:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep He has played for Inter Milan and other major teams which gives him a clear pass for WP:NFOOTY. Although article needs some improvement to be fully compatible with wiki neutrality and guidelines. Riteboke ( talk) 14:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Passes WP:NFOOTY. Sonofstar ( talk) 16:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Passing NFOOTY is great for showing a subject is likely to meet GNG, but AfD is where that GNG-meeting SIGCOV should be demonstrated. NSPORT explicitly says in the FAQs at the top of the page The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline; Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not he/she has attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline; and ...as per Q1 and Q2, eventually sources must be provided showing that the general notability guideline is met. The sources found decidedly fail WP:SPORTCRIT, so it does not matter at all that he trivially passes the football project's criteria since those are strictly subordinate to NSPORT. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 23:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

George Story (journalist)

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Prodded by User:Rogermx with "Fails WP:NBIO. No significant coverage, claim of notability not robust." and removed without explanation as usual. Article just paraphrases the paragraph in the source which is not significant coverage or evidence of notability; I couldn't find any other sources. Reywas92 Talk 22:17, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Proded by User:Serial Number 54129 with "It is not a locality, but a house ( [9]): fails WP:GEOLAND." and removed without explanation. Source on page also calls it an estate/house, and coordinates point to Warnford. No indication of notability. Reywas92 Talk 22:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Empire (online game)

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This topic lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources such that we could write a dedicated encyclopedia article on the topic without resorting to original research. It has not been the subject of extended analysis and its only extant coverage consists of minor directory listings: this paragraph and the listing quoted nearly in full in the References. The topic had no substantive additional analytical coverage in Google Books, Google Scholar, or a custom Google search of video game sources. There are no worthwhile redirect targets, as our List of MUDs only lists games with their own articles. czar 22:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I agree with the fact that there is very little coverage of it (and the relatively small article largely depends on such coverage). It is extremely unlikely that anyone would be able to extend the article into a full encyclopedic one, as the game is no longer playable, and I am fairly confident that the topic of MUDs has largely fallen out of fashion to the point where any information about Empire (which is likely to be trivial) is buried under pages upon pages of more relevant search results or locked away in old books. Lankyliver ( talk) 13:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. Nowhere near enough citations and coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. You can't write a comprehensive article with four sources. Namcokid 47 13:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete As per nom. Fails in satsifying GNG. Wrenaudra ( talk) 15:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC) Blocked sock. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SpareSeiko. Blablubbs| talk 12:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Delete Per nom fails GNG. RockOften ( talk) 17:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to James Cary (writer). Sandstein 07:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NMEDIA. Unsourced for over a decade and I was unable to find anything in my searches. There may be some print sources that I can't access/find. De-PROD'd by Andrew Davidson without a reason. Anarchyte ( talk • work) 08:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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BLP brochure article. Native advertising. NO blp refs!! Sock. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep Talk 21:04, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Routine profile and annoucement references for a BLP. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep Talk 20:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Potentially notable composer, but very very poor references for a BLP. scope_creep Talk 20:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:44, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not seem notable, no reliable sources. EpicPupper 20:49, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 08:15, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

IFood (food delivery)

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Fails WP:NCORP most sources are just mentions or funding announcements. Sanketio31 ( talk) 20:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • I would expect a unicorn company to meet our inclusion standards, but Google mostly shows me funding announcements and opening announcements. The only independent coverage I've come across is this piece by The Times and this one by Reuters where they are called the 'market leader'. Reuters also regularly writes pieces based on their press releases [12] [13] [14] – Thjarkur (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Ledur Brito, Luiz Artur; Pereira Carvalho, Lilian Soares (2018). "Movile: Sustaining an Innovative Culture on a Global Scale". In Iñiguez de Onzoño, Santiago; Ichijo, Kazuo (eds.). Business Despite Borders: Companies in the Age of Populist Anti-Globalization. Cham: Palgrave Macmillan. p. 91, 94, 98. ISBN  978-3-319-76305-7. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      Referring to iFood, the book notes: "The app is a marketplace for restaurants in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia and Mexico delivering over four million orders monthly from 15,000 restaurants to final consumers. iFood became a synonym of food delivery in Brazil." The book notes on page 94: "Movile launched several other apps during this phase with different success levels. The other remarkable success was iFood. Launched in 2014, it became the absolute leader in Brazil and is currently present in Argentina, Colombia and Mexico. Today, 80% of meals delivered via apps in Brazil are done via the iFood platform (Marzochi 2016)." The book discusses on page 98 that mergers and acquisitions with other local apps "fueled" "its path to leadership". Those apps included Hello Food, Papa Rango, and Central Delivery.

    2. da Silva Monty, Renata Cristina (2018-07-25). "Creative Economy: how the interface of Uber Eats and iFood could change your menu". Brazilian Journal of Operations & Production Management. 15 (3). pt:Associação Brasileira de Engenharia de Produção: 413–419. doi: 10.14488/BJOPM.2018.v15.n3.a8. ISSN  2237-8960. Archived from the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      https://bjopm.emnuvens.com.br/bjopm/article/view/427 notes, "This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License." This means the article is free content.

      The journal article notes:

      One of the best-known apps is the Brazilian iFood (it’ll will be called iF), launched in 2011, which gives its users access to the restaurants closest to their location, menus, photos, prices, comments and notes about dishes already ordered. The company's forecast is to reach 5 million orders served in 2017. ... Based on materiality theories and the concept of distributed cognition, it was proposed to analyze the iFood and UberEats applications.

      In the introduction to the iFood app, there is a suggestion that the location feature be activated to find the restaurants closest to the client. It is worth mentioning that this is only possible due to the material resources of the application with geolocalizers. The second step inside the app is the per-mission to receive notifications in order to notify the customer when the request has been confirmed. Once again, the story speaks, since without satellite connections from the servers there would be no communication between iFood and restaurants. After selecting these initial settings, the client visualizes the content in a red and white interface, divided into “Next”, “Japanese”, “Snack” and “Pizzas” categories. At the top, there is still a search field in case you want to type the name of a specific place. As an example, if we click on pizza, the app will show us a list with different places, their logos, the distance of each one of them and the average delivery time. It is worth noting that in iFood not all dishes have a photo, a materiality that can, indeed, be decisive for the choice between certain types of food. On the right hand side are the ratings of other customers, with a score of up to five stars, and it generates an overall average of all those who have left their opinions. Unlike the iFood website, in the application it is not possible to read users’ comments, but only see the number of stars. In the subsection “Best rated”, there are only establishments with a mark higher than 4.5. It is worth pointing out that this tool is used as a surveillance and punishment resource (Foucault, 1997), with differences in the disciplinary societies described by Foucault.

      ... It is also worth mentioning that iFood has the “Discover” field divided into “Promotion”, “Newbies here”, “Free delivery”, “Best value for money”, “Trendy”, and “Close to you” subsections. With these divisions, it is noticed that the materialities of the application, that is, the way it is divided, can totally change the course of those who were interested in Japanese food and, by selecting the field “Promotion”, end up opting for Arab food. Or even the layout of the content increases the possibilities of a particular customer, causing him to discover the food of some establishment that never appears by selecting the subsection “ Tá na moda” or “ Novatos por aqui”. The materiality of iFood also allows tracking the client’s eating habits, since the design of the application makes a history of what has already been consumed. This data can be used by both the app developers to perfect it and by the customers, who keep records of what they have already eaten.

    3. de Lara, Bruna; Braga, Nathália; Ribeiro, Paulo Victor (2020-03-23). "Aplicativos lucram com coronavírus pondo entregadores em risco de contágio" [Applications Profit From Coronavirus Putting Deliverers At Risk Of Contagion]. The Intercept (in Portuguese). Archived from the original on 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes (from Google Translate): "Alone, iFood already received more than 600 thousand orders per day in 2019. ... While governments took isolation measures, iFood fired messages encouraging couriers to get out more. ... On March 16 and 17, when states and municipalities were already taking steps to encourage the isolation of the population, iFood fired at least five messages encouraging couriers to work harder. ... Images like a deliveryman sunk to his knees in a sea of mud during a storm in Belo Horizonte, crossing the flood with the iFood backpack on his back without any protection, show the precariousness to which they are subjected."

    4. Souza, Laura Feijó de (2020). "Trabalhadores informais de aplicativos e o impacto da doença pelo novo Coronavírus: uma reflexão teórica" [Informal app workers and the impact of disease by the new Coronavirus: a theoretical reflection]. Journal of Nursing and Health (in Portuguese). 10 (4). Federal University of Pelotas: 1–16. doi: 10.15210/jonah.v10i4.18740. ISSN  2236-1987. Archived from the original on 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes (from Google Translate): "The first term searched on the Google Trends platform was 'iFood', which led to the indication of the most searched phrases by Internet users with this term, such as "iFood coronavirus", "iFood portal enter" and "iFood cadastr company". ... [discussion about how iFood receives over 600,000 orders every day in 2019] ... In a decision taken by the Public Ministry of Labor (MPT), companies such as iFood and Rappi, the latter that also works with food service, should not interrupt the payment of the delivery man who was contaminated by the Coronavirus."

    5. Meddings, Sabah (2019-12-01). "Just Eat is a tasty starter for iFood, the Brazilian main course: The takeaway pioneer's real appeal is its South American stake". The Times. Archived from the original on 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes, iFood, which serves 7.2m customers a month, has grown to a valuation of more than $1bn, making it a “unicorn”. ... Until 18 months ago, restaurants on iFood were responsible for delivery. Today, 20% of its orders are delivered by iFood — meaning restaurants that have never done takeaways before can list on the platform. Using artificial intelligence, iFood has even started to predict orders, allowing restaurants to prepare dishes before customers have got in touch. ... These innovations have enabled iFood to reduce delivery times from an average of 40 minutes to 28. ... IFood made sales of £123.8m last year, an increase of 91.9%, driven by a doubling of orders. It is 16 times the size of its nearest competitor."

    6. "Food delivery drivers take to the streets in Sao Paulo to protest working conditions". MercoPress. 2020-07-02. Archived from the original on 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes, "Lockdown measures have drawn more demand for delivered food in Latin America's largest economy. Brazil's iFood is the market leader, followed by Colombia's Rappi and Uber, which are larger companies but more prominent in other countries."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow iFood to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 10:08, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

  • A Palgrave Macmillan-published book noted that "iFood became a synonym of food delivery in Brazil" and is "the absolute leader in Brazil" with 80% of meals delivered in Brazil being done through iFood.

    MercoPress and Reuters called iFood the "market leader".

    The Times said of iFood, "It is 16 times the size of its nearest competitor."

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The result was delete. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:49, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Gustavo Lopez (music executive)

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Promo type content fails NMUSIC Sanketio31 ( talk) 20:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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@ Chiro725: How about cleanup instead of deletion? Looks quite notable as you also highlighted. Maybe a second consideration. Riteboke ( talk) 13:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Onel5969: I would love to create it if given chance. As I am sort of music guy myself and love to write and create pages about music people :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riteboke ( talk • contribs) 17:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Consensus was that the subject is notable under WP:NAUTHOR. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 08:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non-Notable Author with no significant work. No in-depth, independent, reliable source. Sonofstar ( talk) 20:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep Meeting GNG, article showing multiple secondary sources. I added some more. SportsOlympic ( talk) 20:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
— MarkH21 talk 22:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC); struck a duplicate source and changed recommendation 14:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC); changed back to Keep 19:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • You say “ musik heute ( Music Today), which means it is not independent.” What a nonsense that all music sources are not independent. In that reasoning it would mean British media are not counting towards notability of a British person. SportsOlympic ( talk) 13:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • I simply trying to explain that 1st source musik heute ( Music Today) don't have byline, its not independent nor very reliable. 2nd Crescendo source itself is published by musik heute ( Music Today), so this is not independent, for other sources @ MarkH21: explained very well. Sonofstar ( talk) 14:08, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Please share the entire list if available. [15] This is far away from reliable source list. They publish hardly 3-4 news a day and maxiumum 10. I doubt if this blogging site have any fact verification process. Please only share major publication not any random one. Sonofstar ( talk) 04:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • According GNG it enough what you call as “in-depth”: “ A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.” SportsOlympic ( talk) 14:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Sonofstar, you seem to be confusing different levels of notability. At the basic level (that is met here), the author and her body of works are sufficiently covered for a biographic entry that covers her life and the totality of her work. Only at a more advanced level, not clearly met, works become individually notable. This is where I AGREE with you: a full list of works is badly missing from the article. If you really want to help Wikipedia: withdraw and/or create a list of works instead of arguing with other Wikipedians here and wasting everyone's time. That would be the most constructive use of time for this entry! gidonb ( talk) 10:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Thanks for explaining me that one minor source Musik Heute is enough to create a page and helps to pass WP:NAUTHOR #4c. I respect her significant work but unfortunately I can't find sources so after WP:Before I nominated. I have no intention to argue, leaving the discussion for admins and other users. Sonofstar ( talk) 10:24, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Your red herring, the one source that has been approved by the supposed authority of this page, is a gross distortion of my opinion. My opinion on this topic is brief but crystal clear: the collective book reviews make Gabriele Buschmeier notable. These come in addition to the one source you "approved" for us that is NOT the base for my opinion. gidonb ( talk) 11:04, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Sonofstar I suggest you have a second look, it seems you are mistaken here, JSTOR is the site I linked to and is not "one random site with 4 reviews" but one of the most respected and important collection of academic publications in the humanities. It is one of the main ways to check for academic work by and about the author, that is why its included in the AFD help template which is at the top of the page right below her name (see Find sources). The reviews that you dismissed so easily are actually published in " Die Musikforschung 54. Jahrg.", " Music & Letters Vol. 75, No. 2", " Die Musikforschung 46. Jahrg., H. 2", " Notes Second Series, Vol. 50, No. 1" which are all scholarly publications which have entries in Wikipedia and publish to the highest standard in the field. I hope this clears things up, I am not accusing you of failing to do WP:BEFORE but I hope you can change your mind in light of the evidence presented. -- hroest
Hannes Röst you are making some sense, I have no idea about jstor. If Getting reviewed by this site makes an author notable then alright. Now the theory is around JSTOR. Thanks for sharing this and let other editors decide. Rest, I don't agree for any other source. Sonofstar ( talk) 14:02, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
JSTOR is the most widely used database for scientific research, alongside Google Scholar. Given the failed WP:BEFORE, the unnecessary arguing, and the clear notability of the subject, imho it's best to withdraw. gidonb ( talk) 15:18, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Sonofstar: Adding onto what Hannes Röst and Gidonb have said above, the point isn't that the reviews are from JSTOR, which is just an online repository of journal articles. What really matters is that Buschmeier's co-authored books Tanzdramen. Opéra comique. Kolloquiumsbericht der GluckGesamtausgabe and Opera incerta: Echtheitsfragen als Problem musikwissenschaftlicher Gesamtausgaben. Kolloquium Mainz 1988: Bericht were reviewed in Die Musikforschung and Music & Letters respectively, and her solo-authored book Die Entwicklung von Arie und Szene in der französischen Oper von Gluck bis Spontini was reviewed in both Die Musikforschung and Notes. Therefore her work has been the primary subject of [...] multiple independent periodical articles or reviews ( WP:NAUTHOR#3). — MarkH21 talk 04:57, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ MarkH21: Thanks, this is helpful. Sonofstar ( talk) 09:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) EpicPupper 20:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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As noted in cleanup tags on the article, this article has multiple issues; there are no reliable sources (all lead to the product's website/documentation), the article uses second person inappropriately, and a slew of other issues. I re-nominated this as the previous AFD did not include any votes (only comments), and WP:CONSENSUS was not reached (withdrawn by nominator). EpicPupper 19:52, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. As a founder of this open source project, I think some of these issues are caused by my ignorance of the WP:COIN. Now better educated, is it appropriate for me to suggest edits, in the Talk page, to improve the article? (and suggest reverting some of my own edits)
@ Primetomas: You may suggest edits to the article via the process listed at WP:ER. If you wish to revert one of your edits, that is generally permissible, however, you should not revert an edit just because of a conflict of interest. Please note that unless there are significant fixes to the issues outlined in the template located on the article, this AFD will remain. EpicPupper 04:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: AfD is a process in which editors form a consensus about the status of an article. Consensus on Wikipedia cares more about discussion and compromise over "voting". Simply put, AfD is not a vote process.
Additionally, AfD is not the process in which articles with clean up tags get resolved. AfD only cares about sources and notability.
Looking at the sources from the first nomination, the article seems to barely attain notability. Keep this article. JackFromReedsburg ( talk | contribs) 04:57, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Thank you for the guidance, I will keep that in mind next time. Withdrawing as nominator, looking to improve the article as an alternative to deletion. EpicPupper 20:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Female Furies. Sandstein 07:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Coverage seems limited to plot summaries and passing mentions on junk listicles from what I can see. The two non-primary sources in the article contain nothing relevant. TTN ( talk) 19:21, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. The disagreement here is about whether the sources cited by Omegatron are sufficient to support an article in the light of our applicable rules such as WP:GNG. This is a matter of editorial judgment and not something that I can decide by fiat. But I can determine that a sufficiently strong majority of experienced editors think that the sources are insufficient to establish rough consensus for deletion. The three sentences that make up the article can be undeleted (please ask another admin) for a merger to Bryan Caplan, if that is desired. Sandstein 07:13, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Ideological Turing test

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This has been a redirect since 2017 due to lack of support in reliable independent sources. It's recently been reinstated, but the sources were terrible. Most of it was drawn from the inventor himself, Bryan Caplan, on his blog, or material published on the Liberty Fund's websites (Caplan is associated with them). The substantive content was blog posts (including Patheos and Wordpress blogs). What remains after the obviously unreliable are removed, is a couple of namechecks - and that is exactly representative of the level of traction this idea actually has. While Caplan has been assiduously promoted and his opinion (usually primary-sourced) added to large numbers of Wikipedia articles, he is not, in fact, a significant thought leader in economics, he's just a garden variety libertarian think-tanker.

I do not think that this term, with its 139 unique Google hits, is an independently notable subject, and I do not think that adding any number of namechecks and affiliated primary sources can fix that. As a purported term of art in economics, the academic literature is the indicator of whether this is taken seriously. As far as I can tell, it is not. All I can find in remotely serious economic sites is self-published materials and the occasional essay. Guy ( help! - typo?) 19:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Nothing can turn self-published primary sources into RS for the notability of a term that would, if it were notable, be discussed in the economic literature. You should know this. We routinely delete crazy ideas that are only poropounded and refuted on blogs. This is by design. Guy ( help! - typo?) 08:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
The Vox article is a trivial mention. Jlevi ( talk) 13:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
And the "Discover Magazine" item is a blog post, not a magazine story that actually passed through an editorial process. It's a pretty trivial blog post at that, too, in the "hey, this happened" genre. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
The Philosophy and Phenomenological Research item is a short section, only three brief paragraphs, that gives a bare description of the idea and does not discuss its history, shortcomings, use in actual practice, or anything else that I'd expect from an in-depth discussion. (Other sections of the paper actually discuss empirical evidence, compare different thinkers, etc. The bit about the "political Turing test" might be the most insubstantial part of the paper.) It's coverage, but I can't honestly call it WP:SIGCOV. And of all the sources that have turned up so far, that's the one which probably went through the highest standard of review. Really, there's less and less here the more I look at it. Caplan works at Cato, so the Kling book is out. The only source in the list above that is independent, reliable, and close to substantial is the section in Galef's book (it's not a whole chapter). And one source isn't enough for wiki-notability. XOR'easter ( talk) 15:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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This is largely what grift-tanks do: appropriate the work of others, repackage it with spin, and publish it as if it were peerless wisdom. In this case, they did so on Wikipedia despite a clear COI, leading to bans and blacklisting. Guy ( help! - typo?) 10:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
As Rogerian argument says, role reversal, which Rapoport attributed to Carl Rogers, is listening carefully and empathetically enough to be able to state the other's position to the other's satisfaction, and vice versa. For that matter, take the Carl Sagan passage referenced earlier: Towards the end of the course, students select a range of wildly controversial social issues in which they have major emotional investments. Paired two-by-two they prepare for a succession of end-of-semester oral debates. A few weeks before the debates, however, they are informed that it is the task of each to present the point of view of the opponent in a way that's satisfactory to the opponent—so the opponent will say, "Yes, that's a fair presentation of my views." How is the distinction between that and this more than a gimmick? XOR'easter ( talk) 22:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Sources are unreliable ideologically partisan outlets, pace the statement made above, there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. Pure rubbish, undeserving of space in a fact-based encyclopedia. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 04:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Per WP:GNG, a topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. These sources exist—in addition to the sources listed by Omegatron, the sources that provide significant coverage to the topic include at least one book chapter, at least two peer-reviewed journal articles, and two doctoral dissertations available on ProQuest. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] As a result, I believe that the article meets notability standards and I oppose the deletion of the page. — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 08:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ Irwin, William. "Saturday Night Live and the Political Bubble." Saturday Night Live and Philosophy: Deep Thoughts Through the Decades (2020): 51-61.
  2. ^ Hannon, Michael (22 July 2019). "Empathetic Understanding and Deliberative Democracy". Philosophy and Phenomenological Research. 101 (3): 591-611. doi: 10.1111/phpr.12624.
  3. ^ W. Joel Schneider; Alan S. Kaufman (1 February 2017). "Let's Not Do Away with Comprehensive Cognitive Assessments Just Yet". Archives of Clinical Neuropsychology. 32 (1): 8–20. doi: 10.1093/arclin/acw104.
  4. ^ Snow, N. D. (2019). How to Talk: Richard Whately, the Constitutional Conversation, Informal Social Groups, and Reform (Order No. 22587156). Available from ProQuest Dissertations & Theses Global. (2310307809).
  5. ^ Shugars, S. (2020). Reasoning Together: Network Methods for Political Talk and Normative Reasoning (Order No. 27835438). Available from ProQuest Dissertations & Theses Global. (2402915321).
Note that the last 2 are both PhD theses. The second only briefly discusses ITTs and describes it as coming primarily from Hanson. The first thesis includes quite a bit of content, and describes putting together an ITT to gather data for some research. Empathetic Understanding and Deliberative Democracy is a repeat from Omegatron's list above. Jlevi ( talk) 20:14, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The sources are either from within an ideological bubble, unreliably published (e.g., bloggy), or lacking in depth (e.g., a passing mention like "we admire scholars who can pass what Caplan calls the ideological Turing test"). At most, this should be a redirect like it was for years. As I wrote in an RfC last year that concluded it should not be mentioned in Caplan's infobox: Caplan slapped an obvious term on an idea mentioned by Paul Krugman, and advocated by teachers of debate and rhetoric well before Krugman too. "Ideological Turing test" isn't a contribution, it's branding — and it's not our job to propagate that. XOR'easter ( talk) 18:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • If the concept has a noted use in academia outside of the explicit references to the term "Ideological Turing text," then the article topic (namely the test) seems like it would be notable, although the article itself could use a better name. Although it might be better to redirect to a section of the Turing test page (or a subsection within the variants section) rather than to the biography if we decide to merge, since a redirect would seem better targeted to the concept itself rather than to the individual. — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 22:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Afterthought As an academic myself, I can testify that the invention of terminology is one of our primary work products. The number of jargon terms cooked up every year is staggering. I myself have invented a couple that have received a comparable amount of attention to this one (and in peer-reviewed papers, rather than blogs and pop books). Much as I'd love to have Wikipedia articles on my work, the base rate of coinages is so damn high that I can't say my contributions stand out, and if anything I've done does merit explication here, it's better served as a part of a larger whole. So too with "ideological Turing test": it's the furthest thing from a new idea, and the adoption rate of the new word is not actually impressive. For a point of comparison, there are an order of magnitude more Google Scholar results for "moral Turing test" (and unlike this one, that usage actually makes sense, as it is about testing a machine, like the Turing test is). XOR'easter ( talk) 04:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I have to agree with XOR'easter. This should be a redirect at best. Historyday01 ( talk) 21:34, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete sources are lacking in reliability, depth, or both. ( t · c) buidhe 10:41, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Sources weak, agree with other editors that it appears to be an old concept repackaged. Redirect should be restored Slywriter ( talk) 12:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to the main Caplan article. This idea is only ever presented as Caplan's. There's probably enough material to write a paragraph in the Caplan article, but there isn't enough independent/substantive coverage to let it stand on its own. Jlevi ( talk) 13:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • The second source doesn't mention Caplan at all. For all we know, the guy talking about a "political Turing test" there came up with the branding independently (it's not the most imaginative name, after all). XOR'easter ( talk) 14:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete/Merge. There's not enough to maintain a stand-alone article. What information there is here is basically WP:DICDEF, and the three or four sentences necessary to cover this topic can be adequately dealt with at the Brian Caplan article. -- Jayron 32 15:08, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as it's used in scholarly articles (see JLevi's list above) and on prominent blogs such as Lesswrong. It has been noted that this is not a new invention and has been used by rhetoricians, if there is an article that discusses this concept I would change my vote to Merge. Alaexis ¿question? 05:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Per Omegatron's reasoning. I checked the Rogerian argument article and it seems quite clear it's not the same idea. I invite everyone to check that article and form their own opinion. Pablo Stafforini ( talk) 19:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Per User:Omegatron. On another note, some of the language used in this discussion so far has been pretty inflammatory. Atchom ( talk) 03:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete/Redirect to Brian Caplan, this article currently boils down to 2 sentences defining what is an ideological Turing test (the other sentences do not result in claims of notability). -- Dirk Beetstra T C 17:26, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect Julia Galef's new book is one good source, that's enough for a redirect but there needs to be more than that for a standalone article. Brian Caplan seems the obvious target for a section. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:28, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Drip irrigation. Sandstein 07:27, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Article is about a product that was invented in 2007, but no longer produced Here is an article about the invention. It never seemed to catch on and I don't believe it is notable. user:DGG suggested that it be merged to drip irrigation, I respectfully disagree. I just don't think the product is notable enough to even be mentioned there. Rusf10 ( talk) 18:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 23:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Possible covert UPE article on a non notable Dj who doesn’t satisfy any criterion from WP:MUSICBIO. A before search only led me to self published and user generated unreliable sources such as this & this Celestina007 ( talk) 18:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. There is significant coverage in the Guardian and Newsday, so it comes down to WP:ORGIND. This is ultimately a subjective criterion, and the broad consensus here is that the sources are indeed independent. It may be advisable to start a WP:RM to move it to J. T. Allum and Company or similar. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC) reply

JTA Supermarkets

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WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company announcements or information provided by the company or announcements or interviews, etc. We don't doubt the existence of the company, only whether it meets our requirements for establishing notability. None of the references in the article meet the criteria. They are either standard business listings or short articles based on an "announcement" by the company - all of the articles I can find are within the company's echo chamber and I have been unable to find any "Independent Content" as per ORGIND. Topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 18:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Response Hi Megtetg34, the requirements for different topics vary. [WP:BIO]] applies for people and it is a very very easy standard to hit. WP:NCORP applies for companies/organizations. You withdrew both noms but unless/until we can find "multiple" sources that meet NCORP to establish notability, no amount of rewriting or cleaning will fix it. I suggest below, as an alternative to deletion, to redirect this topic to Carlton K. Mack. HighKing ++ 10:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep A notable supermarket with indepth coverage in reputable sources. As also Cullen328 pointed out The solution to a poorly referenced article about a notable business is to improve the referencing and rewrite the article. Deletion is not the answer. Has enough sources to be kept. Riteboke ( talk) 14:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Response Just to emphasise, we're not looking for references to prove the existence of the topic company, but references that fulfill the criteria for establishing notability. Two editors above describe the company as "notable" yet neither have managed to point to references which meet NCORP requirements. Therefore the topic is not notable. Cullen328 points to this T&TG article as a reference that meets the criteria for establishing notabilty but if fails to provide in-depth information *on the company* and fails CORPDEPTH (it is PR with no identifiable journalist hyping the grand opening the previous week). It has been described as "4 paragraphs about the history of the company" - that is simply untrue. There are two sentences which say the following:
JTA Supermarkets is managed and led by one of the oldest business groups in the country and has a very long history in serving local communities. From as far back as the 1930's, the JTA team has successfully managed though the turbulent Second World War, then through the many booms and recessions that followed, yet it has continued to grow from strength to strength.
The above fails CORPDEPTH and judging from the peacock language and lack of an identifiable journalist, I suspect also fails ORGIND. The solution to a poorly written article on a non-notable topic is deletion but that said, as an alternative to deletion it makes sense to Redirect this topic to Carlton K. Mack. HighKing ++ 10:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ HighKing: The Guardian is a top-tier national newspaper, and substantial coverage is substantial coverage, even if the journalist who wrote the story relied too much on clichés. We aren't supposed to be media critics. Guettarda ( talk) 14:05, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep As I noted the last time I voted, the sources seem adequate to me. They are published in reliable, independent newspapers, journals, etc. and are of sufficient depth to pass WP:GNG. -- Jayron 32 11:49, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Wrong guideline, GNG is irrelevant here. We require references that meet NCORP. HighKing ++ 13:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
      • You know, you don't get bonus points for responding to every single vote. We already know that you believe the article should be deleted. You don't get more weight added to your vote merely because you badger everyone with a different opinion of you. Also, WP:GNG is the only relevant page; subjects that pass GNG don't need to pass additional hurdles to be acceptable as articles. -- Jayron 32 13:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - the Guardian, the Express and Newsday are all well-established national newspapers, so substantial coverage in them passes the GNG. Subject-specific guidelines are meant for cases where the GNG isn't met. Guettarda ( talk) 14:04, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Response There appears to be a lot of confusion among some editors above on whether GNG is applicable for establishing notability of a company/organization topic and some are disagreeing when I say GNG is irrelevant (for those purposes). Please see WP:SNG which is the result of a recent RfC. Note the following (emphasis added): SNGs can also provide examples of sources and types of coverage considered significant for the purposes of determining notability, such as the treatment of book reviews for our literature guidelines "and the strict significant coverage requirements spelled out in the SNG for organizations and companies." For those Keep !voters who believe that references exist, post them below so we can examine them against NCORP. HighKing ++ 14:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • I've read WP:ORGIND. I'm sure we all have. A. It doesn't apply here (it's talking about trade publications and PR, not national newspapers of record), and B. it's still subsidiary to the GNG (it's about helping people understand the difference between a trade publication or PR mill and an actual reliable source). If you want to deprecate all of the major newspapers in Trinidad and Tobago, please take it to WP:RSN. Guettarda ( talk) 15:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
      • ORGIND requires "Independent Content" and says "in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject." Nothing to do with the type of quality of the publication. The aim is to ensure that what is written about the company isn't originating from the company itself or "connected" sources. Also, I've posted a link to the RfC and to the relevant paragraph in WP:N which shows that GNG is not primary over NCORP. Tell you what - I'll post this question on WP:N Talk page and lets see what others say. HighKing ++ 11:07, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep based on coverage in the Guardian, the Express, and arguments already posted. Lesliechin1 ( talk) 21:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy delete Keep as more than 75% of the content has been copied straight from the company's website where there is no indication of it having been published under a compatible license. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 13:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    Deletion is not a valid cleanup option. The copyvio text can be removed, but the sources still exist that establish this topic as a worthwhile subject for an article. -- Jayron 32 14:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    @ Jayron32: I tagged the copyvios earlier, and they have since been removed, but given that what is left is so poor I believe WP:G12 would have been better in hindsight. The opening of a supermarket branch is routine coverage. 'Supermarket employee assists disabled man' doesn't make the supermarket they work in worthy of an encyclopedia article. What is left neither meets WP:NCORP or WP:GNG and is just a G11-worthy promo piece. Perhaps other sources exist, but I am going on the sources used in the article. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 16:36, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    Fair enough. I feel that the sources in the article AND the ones noted above are sufficient to meet minimum requirements, but you're free to believe that they don't. -- Jayron 32 16:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    Changed !vote to keep after Guettarda's rescue work. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 17:57, 27 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Delete Since when is five of anything, notable on Wikipedia, particularly a number of supermarkets. 500 hundred possibly. Looking about, an editor has stated above Guardian, the Express and Newsday are all well-established national newspapers. Good, but where are the sources? There are two sources in the article at the Trinidad Guardian. The first one looks like a press release, a routine announcement of work, with no analysis. The 2nd one 100 jobs with new JTA supermarket at C3 Centre is an interview with the company director. How is it independent? It fails WP:ORGIND and WP:SIRS. Where is the sources from the Express and Newsday???? Certainly, a place that opened in 1943 should be notable, but where is the coverage? 2 or 3 independent sources would be ideal but at the moment it fails WP:NCORP. scope_creep Talk 18:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    One source from the Guardian that was in the article until recently strikes me as significant, independent, reliable and secondary. Newsday reports on the same event. A second one that also strikes me as all these three. This mention, from the Express, while just passing, is a comment that goes to notability from an independent, reliable source: the supermarket and land development empire known today under the JT Allum brand. Combine that with the extensive coverage in the Chamber of Commerce bio of Mack, and Parris' description of "Allum's Supermarkets, the foremost supermarket chain in the southern section of Trinidad". Guettarda ( talk) 22:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - working on expanding the history and looking at the sources that are easily available, I think it would probably make more sense to move this to J. T. Allum and Company since that's both the parent company of JTA Supermarkets, and the developer of Carlton Centre, Cross Crossing Shopping Centre and the new C3 Centre. Except for a decade or so when McAL managed the supermarket side of things, the supermarket and property development businesses have been deeply intertwined. (If memory serves me, the Mack family were one of the largest shareholders in McAL until it was taken over by ANSA in 1987 to form the current ANSA McAL.) Guettarda ( talk) 23:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Feuchtmayer. ✗ plicit 00:02, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Michael Feuchtmayer

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No indication of notability. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED Rusf10 ( talk) 17:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No sources found, no evidence that this term is widely used. Rusf10 ( talk) 17:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No evidence that Orlando has an actual financial district. By the article's own admission, it doesn't exist. Rusf10 ( talk) 17:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 17:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Previously deleted page with nothing major improvements. Fails GNG Sanketio31 ( talk) 17:33, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. The previously deleted version was speedy-deleted in 2005 and was pure porn-site spam unrelated to Sjøberg. So we have to evaluate the article freshly rather than relying on any past discussion. — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep. These are the Scopus metrics for Dr. Sjøberg and all 112 of his coauthors with > 10 papers:
Total citations: avg: 2233, med: 1414, Sjøberg: 4110
Total papers: avg: 98, med: 91, S: 78.
h-index: avg: 20, med: 19, S: 32.
Top 5 citations: 1st: avg: 369, med: 204, S: 424. 2nd: avg: 217, med: 125, S: 245. 3rd: avg: 145, med: 106, S: 227. 4th: avg: 117, med: 81, S: 223. 5th: avg: 98, med: 67, S: 218.
Seems to be quite a bit above average across the board. JoelleJay ( talk) 00:27, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. However, sourcing in the article as of right now needs substantial improvement. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 08:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Guo Yi (musician)

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Fails WP:NMUSIC not enough available coverage. Sanketio31 ( talk) 17:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Larkin, Colin, ed. (2006). "Guo Brothers". Encyclopedia of Popular Music (4 ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press. doi: 10.1093/acref/9780195313734.001.0001. ISBN  978-0-19-531373-4. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book has an entry about the Guo Brothers.

      The book notes, "Born in Peking, China, Guo brothers Yue and Yi followed the footsteps of their father, a singer and erhu (Chinese violin) player, and studied China's folk and classical musical traditions. They mastered many instruments in spite of their extreme poverty (at one stage the brothers were forced to pay for their music lessons with cooking oil). ... while Yi played the sheng (Chinese mouth organ) with the Peking Film Orchestra, with whom he recorded over 200 soundtracks. In 1983, Yue moved to England to study at London's Guildhall School of Music. Soon afterwards his brother joined him and together they formed the Guo Brothers group, that also featured Chinese percussion."

    2. Jones, Stephen (2000). Ellingham, Mark (ed.). World Music: The Rough Guide, Vol. 2: Latin & North America, Caribbean, India, Asia and Pacific. London: Rough Guides. p. 43. ISBN  1-85828-636-0. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book has an entry called "Guo Brothers". The book notes that Guo Yi was born in 1954. Raised in "a musicians' courtyard in Beijing", he was a musical pupil in the middle of the Cultural Revolution with his brother, Guo Yue, who was born in 1958. He and his brother immigrated to London at the beginning of the 1980s. The duo "built up a following busking in Covenant Garden". They subsequently composed film scores for The Killing Fields and The Last Emperor. Guo Yi's musical instrument is the sheng, "an ancient Chinese mouth organ".

    3. Sweeney, Philip (1991). The Virgin Directory of World Music. London: Virgin Books. p. 156. ISBN  978-0-86369-378-6. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book notes, "In the UK, the Guo Brothers, Yi and Yue, two classically trained instrumentalists, have worked in a range of formats since their arrival in 1974. Guo Yi plays sheng, a portable mouth-blown organ, of which he was a prominent soloist with the Peking Film Orchestra, while the flautist Guo Yue is a former member of the Chinese Army Orchestra. Both formidable musicians, the Guos worked their way up from busking in London's Covent Garden to participating in the creation of the score to Bertolucci's film The Last Emperor and making solo albums such as 'Yuan', on the Virgin-owned Real World label."

    4. Russell, K.F. (1994). "Guo Brothers article". Rhythm. p. 24. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The article notes, "WOMAD tour by the Guo brothers—Guo Yue, who plays Chinese flutes, and Guo Yi, specializing in the sheng, a hand-held mouth organ. Yuan, the Guo Brothers' recording on the Real World label, offers an excellent sampling of their music for Western listeners. It combines Chinese classical music, with its delicacy and grace, and lively folk songs that bear the stamp of the many outside influences absorbed into the long-standing traditional Chinese Han culture. Traditional melodies, in some cases transposed from works made famous by other instruments such as the lute-like pipa, are arranged in a manner that proudly displays their origins while modernizing their interpretation. ..."

    5. Blumenthal, Howard J. (1998). The World Music CD Listener's Guide. New York: Billboard Books. p. 68. ISBN  978-0-8230-7663-5. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book notes: "When Guo Yue's was a young boy in China, his father, a respected musician, died. His mother was sent away, the result of the Cultural Revolution. Guo Yue and his brother, Guo Yi, grew up in a Beijing ghetto, a musicians' compound where they learned to play a variety of musical instruments. ... Yi became expert with the ancient sheng (a handheld mouth organ). ... Yi became involved with film, eventually composing hundreds of soundtracks.

    6. Niedergang, Ena (2015). Wales China: 250 years of history. Wales: Ying Hua Books. p.  89. ISBN  978-0-9934184-0-2. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book has an entry about the Guo Brothers. The book notes: "Guo Yue and Guo Yi with the help of their sister Yan formed one of China's famous folk musical ensembles in the 1980s and went on to record their music and work on music soundtracks. Since then, they have performed at various venues and festivals throughout Wales, including the Sherman Theatre Cardiff and the Pontardawe International Folk Festival."

    7. Sinker, Mark (September 1985). "WOMAD Festival. Mersea, Essex: 19–21 July". No. 19. The Wire. Retrieved 2021-04-18. {{ cite magazine}}: Cite magazine requires |magazine= ( help)

      The article notes, "Two Chinese brothers, Guo Yi and Guo Yue, are wonderfully astonished at their new popularity, for exploration and exposition of Chinese Folk Music on flue and sheng (a mini pipe-organ, blown): forlorn bending pentatonic wails, mimetic virtuosity."

    8. Boisen, Myles (1997). Erlewine, Michael; Bogdanov, Vladimir; Woodstra, Chris; Erlewine, Stephen Thomas (eds.). All Music Guide: The Best Cds, Albums & Tapes: The Experts' Guide to the Best Releases from Thousands of Artists in All Types of Music. San Francisco: Miller Freeman Books. p.  849. ISBN  0-87930-423-5. Retrieved 2021-04-18.

      The book notes: "The Guo Brothers (Guo Yue and Guo Yi) come from a musical family, and distinguished themselves as young woodwind players in official Chinese orchestras. After leaving China, their musical horizons have broadened, but still reflect the austerity and poise of their native traditions."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Guo Yi to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 17:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Aziz Dadas

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Fails WP:NACTOR not enough coverage. Sanketio31 ( talk) 17:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • keep - he seems to satisfy NACTOR criteria 1. There is plenty of "coverage" from a gsearch, albeit and for reasons of language, finding Moroccan reliable sources is difficult. I'm not persuaded that the nominator has completed the diligence due to a subject, sources for which will tend to be in arabic, and uninclined to build more western bias into wikipedia in a situation in which the actor's list of credits appear of length sufficient to give rise to the supposition that criteria 1 is met. -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 17:40, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:27, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet software notability and general notability. When I search online, I see only the project home page and no external coverage at all. Anton.bersh ( talk) 17:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Doboj ethnic cleansing (1992). TheSandDoctor Talk 00:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Siege of Doboj

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Zero sources. While there certainly were clashes in Doboj during the time period claimed here, it is dubious that these clashes constituted a siege, and whether they merit an article at all is in question. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 16:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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*Delete a search for the Serbo-Croat term doesn’t even produce unreliable sources. Mccapra ( talk) 18:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Liverpool F.C. 1–2 Grimsby Town F.C. (2001)

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Article fails WP:GNG. It's almost 20 years since the match was played and there's not much in the way of long-term notability about the match aside from one article in the Grimsby Telegraph. This isn't notable in the same way as other giant-killing articles we have here. Due to this, I believe the article should be deleted. NapHit ( talk) 16:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Three-way split between keep, merge and delete, each with good arguments. I'd normally go for merge as a compromise, but here there are also valid arguments against a merger given the length of the target article. Sandstein 07:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

List of Liverpool F.C. matches in international competitions

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Unnecessary page which is just a collection of matches Liverpool played in European competition. We already have an article detailing Liverpool's record in Europe. We don't need to include every single match they've played in Europe because the page is an overview and not a collection of stats. That article has been through the featured article process where it was decided such tables are superfluous. The reader can learn what happened in those matches from the equivalent season articles. Wikipedia is not a collection of stats, so this page is unnecessary and should be deleted. NapHit ( talk) 16:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • That's another argument entirely, and if we accept it, we're going to have to do a lot of work. These sorts of tables are the usual way by which we present information about matches played in Europe, whether it be Örebro SK, Lokomotiva Zagreb, Manchester United, or in the case of FC Anzhi Makhachkala, as a collapse-able table (which would be my suggestion if this is up-merged), clearly showing they're not WP:CRUFT (either because the entire topic is unknown outside fan circles, or because too much detail is present that will bore, distract or confuse a non-fan – neither of these are true - the only reason the second might be satisfied is because there's so much of information here in this specific article), but rather an integral way of displaying encyclopaedic data related to European football matches. SportingFlyer T· C 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • I also want to push back on the argument "it was decided that such tables were superfluous." This does not appear to be consensus, but the nom's personal opinion. The matches table was removed from the original article in August 2010 by the AfD nom, but the first Good Article assessment was in October 2010, and there's no consensus on the talk page about its inclusion/removal. In fact, one of the good article reviewers even suggested adding this table here (point #8), but NapHit unilaterally decided the table wasn't worth including [24]. Presenting this as a consensus against the table doesn't appear to be a correct analysis. SportingFlyer T· C 14:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
A collapsible table fails MOS:DTT and WP:ACCESS, so that's a non-starter. It's not another argument, it's relevant to this point. Should we include these tables just because we can. In the case of smaller European clubs, I think there is a case for including them. In the case of Liverpool, I don't think there is a case for including in the parent article. It would become too long and unruly. The question then becomes, are these lists worthy of standing alone? As Koncorde mentions below, what then stops you from creating a list of domestic league and cup matches? The reviewer on the GA didn't push back when I said we didn't need the table. Nor did anyone advocate for the table's inclusion during the featured article process. The same was the case with the Arsenal article. That's a consensus on how the articles should be structured. This is why we have season articles. All the information is included in self-contained summaries. NapHit ( talk) 20:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
WP:ACCESS doesn't specifically fail them, but does mention that if length is a concern that the topic be moved under a different heading or split. We also have articles for lists of domestic league and cup matches: they're in the specific season articles for each club. A table representing an overview of European competitions is clearly different, however, given how we present the information in other articles, and the Liverpool article may even be at a stage where the European statistics could qualify for a stand-alone article, including this table. SportingFlyer T· C 00:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
So should there be a list for List of Liverpool F.C. matches in Domestic Cups and List of Liverpool F.C. matches in Domestic Leagues? There is a reason we use Season articles as self contained summaries. Koncorde ( talk) 19:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
No, but we also don't have a completely separate article for those competitions, either. SportingFlyer T· C 20:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
This is a giant rabbit hole if we go down this road. That's why we have the season articles. Liverpool could be playing in Europe for another 100 years, so you'd have a list which is even longer and unruly as you add every match they've ever played. The season articles are much easier to keep under control. We have summaries by competition, club and country in the European article, that's more than enough. The only other option would be to split the current list up into by year lists, along the lines of the national team results lists we have. But, it's arguable whether this has any encyclopedic merit. NapHit ( talk) 20:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Per NH. A list doesn't require there to be a separate article to be dependent upon (they can just refer to the main Club article if so). However all the arguments in support of this list are in support of all lists of results compiled. As you said, it would be quicker and easier to read all their results on one page. Koncorde ( talk) 23:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
The list isn't actually dependent on a separate article, though it makes sense as its own article as a proper WP:SPLIT. We could easily include the information, hatted, in the main article. SportingFlyer T· C 00:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
O really, you're going that route, do you want to delete England national football team results (1872–1899) and all the rest that follow also? It really is no different, articles can be split. We cover European results, league, cup, you name it. It's all covered somewhere, at times in multiple places, this is you singling out one article, which is done on multiple other articles. FC Barcelona in international football shows a load of results, but has no-where near the same quality as the Liverpool in Europe. You might as well drive down a road the wrong way! Govvy ( talk) 22:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
And the Barcelona article is a shit-show too. No consistent format, no consistent structure etc. WP:OTHERSTUFF isn't a defence, particularly if you raise an article that is probably even more guilty of crimes against formatting and readability. Koncorde ( talk) 23:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
The entirety of that Barcelona article is a dog's breakfast, even the results tables aren't properly formatted. SportingFlyer T· C 00:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Nowhere did I say I want to delete the national football team results. I don't think you understood my point. I'm questioning whether these results merit their own article. Like Koncorde states, if we create separate European results lists, what's stopping us from creating domestic results lists? Are these lists encyclopedic? Just because they are currently on here, doesn't necessarily mean they are. The Barcelona article you mention should be brought up to the standard of the Liverpool and Arsenal article. Doing that would mean the list of results would have to be either deleted or split due to its length. Personally, I don't think we need separate lists when we have season articles for the clubs and the competition. The European articles are a side point of the history of the teams. There probably needs to be a discussion at WP:FOOTY about this, as the issue is bigger than one list or article. 11:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete this subject is covered in a much better way at the FL Liverpool F.C. in international football, and we don't need an WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of every match they played in these competitions. Usually I would say merge to that article, but there isn't any content here that would benefit that (really good) FL. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep As one of the foremost clubs in the sport, with a significant history international competition, this level of detail is within the scope of Wikipedia per Wikipedia:Five pillars – specifically, this is exactly the kind of material you would expect to see in a specialised football almanac. The nomination says "Wikipedia is not a collection of stats", but that is untrue – the five pillars say Wikipedia is not an "indiscriminate collection of information". This information is highly discriminate with a clear scope and focus, and Liverpool F.C. matches in international competition is clearly a notable topic. I'm happy for the material to be accommodated at Liverpool F.C. in international football, though due to the length of both this list and the article, I think the stand-alone list approach is preferable. SFB 16:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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"Supergroup" lacking significant coverage in reliable sources establishing notability. Meatsgains( talk) 15:56, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Not very notable, certainly doesn't meet WP:SOLDIER. Highest award that isn't a jubilee medal is Order of Red Star (certainly not qualifier for notability), reliable estimates indicate ~28 kills as sniper, certainly not notable either. No indication of wartime media coverage, later media coverage and information is scant. Doesn't even have Russian wikipedia article, not even clear if she is currently alive or not. PlanespotterA320 ( talk) 15:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

@ PlanespotterA320:, WP:SOLDIER has been deprecated. Please do not cite it to help determine a consensus anywhere. Thanks - wolf 02:45, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Oops. I see thats has been mentioned below. NM - wolf 02:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:59, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Defunct translator station, does not meet WP:BCAST guidelines for notability. An IP address deproded this, claiming it was "clearly notable", am I missing something? Rusf10 ( talk) 15:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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@ Sammi Brie:If the station was still active, I would have just redirected to List of Three Angels Broadcasting Network affiliates, but since it is not, I think delete would be better, rather than lead the reader to a page where there's no mention of the station.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 21:33, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was closed; the article has been moved to draftspace by the article creator, User:2002Alice. Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No claim of significance, unverifiable. An upcoming film made by two students. Neither the film nor the people involved with it have been mentioned in a reliable source. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:02, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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"made by two students" is completely mistaken. My client is a certified actor and it is completely unnecessary to call him a student. In which part of the article is there a self promotion? The Article is completely impartial. what I want is that it be moved to draft and that is not excluded. 2002Alice (talk) 16:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Sonofstar ( talk) 15:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable, fail to pass GNG. Sonofstar ( talk) 14:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 06:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails to meet WP: NSongs. Only presents one good source, Hot New Hip Hop. XXL magazine only mentions the song was one of their favorites of the week, while Times of India only mentions the video and cites lyrics of the song. Entering charts doesn't mean a song is notable. The rest of the article is composed of album reviews and "self-interested parties" such as a manager and producers. MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 14:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge/redirect to the album, Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon ( t · c) buidhe 20:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon - Coverage from album reviews should be condensed and incorporated in the Music and lyrics section of the album article. It does not contribute to the song meeting notability standards per WP:NSONG.-- N Ø 08:43, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect: lack of independent sources and it was not a massive hit; I regret reviewing this properly in the first place. -- K. Peake 07:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • WP:SNOW close as the charts give it independent notability. This is another nomination that depends on downplaying significance. If XXL is putting it on a list of best songs, that is not a "mention." Times of India doesn't "only mention the video and cite lyrics of the song". If they talk about the lyrics, that is not a passing mention. That's WP:SIGCOV. "Was not a massive hit" is a tautological claim and extremely based in subjectivity that would be WP:ORG to determine. This was a top 40 hit on the actual charts of both the US and Canadian Hot 100 (the prime f---ing charts of those countries), which gives it independent notability. In his nomination for vulnerable, Excuse that, my apologies, I forgot it was a different user's nomination because it used a similar rationale to this one. Mario tried to downplay that track's chart performances by stating three of the four chart positions of countries were "unofficial" because they weren't top 100 charts, which is blatant BS. He doesn't even have that excuse to do that here. He has tried to downplay the significance in charts even in Afds that aren't about song articles, such as in List of Taylor Swift live performances: "Back then you only make it with having a record deal, nowadays you can reach to the top spot of a chart with no record deal." Charting without a record deal changes absolutely nothing. Billboard has decrease how much streaming plays a role in their chart methodology, with radio and actual sales more prominent and thus less depend on simple streams of Youtube videos and Spotify. He then admits in that same nomination "Not everyone will make it, it is impossible but artist like the ones I referenced sticked out like a sore thumb and to some extend they made it, due to timing, music, memes and other stuff." He pretty much debunked his own claims in the next sentence, admitting his survivorship bias anecdotes of sudden success stories like Mackelmore, 69 and Lil Nas X were "sore thumbs" that didn't reflect that success of 99% of acts who do the same thing. All this stuff about charts and certifications not being that important is based in feelings and anecdotes rather than actual facts and empirical evidence, and we need a guideline or a essay page stating claims like what MarioSouldTruthFan is saying in nonsense. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 20:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
"Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts. (Note again that this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable)". They don't talk anout the lyrics, they cite the lyrics, they don't say anything about that...you would know if you actually saw the source, which you didn't. I didn't nomiante that article to be delited, not sure why do you make false claims, once more. First uou took our conversation complety out of context, and secondly it can't be aplied here. No, its based on the guideles on WP:NSongs, which you would know if you actually read it. MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 20:12, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply
Apologies about the false claim. I didn't mean to make one as I thought it was you as you used similar reasoning. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 21:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Promotional article for a non notable individual who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources and only became famous for accusing a Clergyman of rape. A before search centers around her accusing the clergyman of rape but she is never never discussed with in-depth significant coverage. The sources used in the article are all unreliable as they are yet to develop a reputation for fact checking. Celestina007 ( talk) 19:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • The article includes an accusation of a serious crime against a named person which has been dismissed by a court. Surely that accusation should be revision deleted per WP:BLP? This would certainly be done in the case of such an accusation against an American or a Brit, so why do people think it is OK to leave it when it is against a Nigerian? Phil Bridger ( talk) 19:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Phil Bridger, a brilliant observation there & you definitely raise a very valid point. Celestina007 ( talk) 19:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus is to delete with only one of the keep votes being grounded in any guideline Fenix down ( talk) 07:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL never having played at the professional level as stated at WP:FPL One appearance on the bench (unused) in Serie A in 2018/19, currently 4th tier in Italy. Not finding GNG in this case. JW 1961 Talk 18:04, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom, and Spiderone's rationale give above. Namkongville ( talk) 15:15, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Spiderone's analysis shows Farcaș has not been the subject of SIGCOV whatsoever. Routine match reports and transfer announcements are the definition of trivial; if they could be added up to meet SIGCOV then, all else being equal, players who bounced around from club to club would be at a distinct advantage for notability over people retained on teams despite no new in-depth information being provided. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:00, 23 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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This company no longer exists (and it failed WP:GNG when it did). It was bought and merged into Central Smith, itself a non-notable dairy with one location near Peterborough Ontario. Lard Almighty ( talk) 11:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:39, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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BLP of a city councilman of Charlotte NC which does not pass WP:NPOL. The subject is not otherwise notable. Mccapra ( talk) 10:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Charlotte NC is not a global city for the purposes of guaranteeing the "inherent" notability of its city councillors just because they exist as city councillors, but the article relies almost entirely on primary sources that are not support for notability at all, rather than reliable source coverage that would actually help to get him past WP:NPOL #2. At the city council level of office, the notability test is not "he exists as an officeholder" — it is "it's possible to write a substantive and well-sourced article that makes a credible case as to why he should be seen as more special than most other city councillors", and this isn't doing that. Bearcat ( talk) 03:56, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Charlotte is not one of the very short list of cities where memebers of the city council are default notable. We do not have enough sourcing to justify an article when we do not clearly meet politican notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Randykitty ( talk) 12:53, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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BLP tagged for notability in the NPP queue for two months. Notability is doubtful - although there are sources there isn’t in-depth coverage. The article seems promotional. There is reference to academic roles but these don’t pass WP:NPROF. Mccapra ( talk) 10:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Isn't close to passing NACADEMIC. As for GNG, what I do see appears to be interviews and in connection to the company (Radical Craft) and not so much on Stein himself. The coverage is also not significant in number, as such this does not pass GNG.-- Eostrix  ( 🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 06:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. As an architect he either needs to be cited in the literature to fulfill WP:NPROF or have designed some notable buildings per WP:ARCHITECT which do not seem to be the case. Winning a competition with something that is not yet built does not qualify in my book. -- hroest 14:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Insufficient discussion on sources for a strong consensus to exist at this time. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 09:29, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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No references, online search doesn't produce any proof of subject passing WP:GNG. Highly likely a paid-for article. Nearlyevil665 ( talk) 21:05, 2 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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This article concerns an acting school in Los Angeles, California. Since the article's creation in 2006, it has cited no sources. BEFORE searches do not return any meaningful coverage of the school as this was the only source I found. Thus I do not believe this article can pass WP:GNG or any more specific notability guideline.

For anyone else who goes searching for sources, please note that there is a similar theatre in New Hampshire that does not appear to be related to this school. DocFreeman24 ( talk) 00:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Article about a television "micro-series" (that thing where advertisers format their advertising as short-format "drama" or "comedy" series instead of conventional 30-second commercials), not properly referenced as passing WP:TVSHOW. Things like this are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because their existence is technically verified by an IMDb page -- the notability test is reliable source coverage about the show by recognized television critics to establish its significance. But the only footnote here is a press release from the network that aired it, a primary source that is not support for notability at all, and the strongest other source I can find on a WP:BEFORE search is a Q&A interview in an industry trade magazine in which one of the show's executive producers is talking about it in the first person -- which is not fully independent of the show, and thus not enough to make the show notable all by itself if it's the strongest source on offer. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this show from having to have much more media coverage about it than this. (Also probable conflict of interest, if you compare the creator's username to the producers' names in the infobox.) Bearcat ( talk) 18:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. I find it a bit perverse to have articles about advertisements, and all the moreso if they're barely-cited stubs. Bearcat's explanation is strong, and there's nothing I can dig up to contradict it. Vaticidal prophet 09:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Realtek. Keep !votes have not provided adequate reasoning for keeping apart from WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 09:45, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non notable organization that fails to satisfy WP:NCORP as they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. A before search turns up nothing cogent other than unreliable sources such as this. Celestina007 ( talk) 20:05, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Info Edge. Those who wish to merge can retrieve the content from the article history. (Recommend adding {{ R from merge}} to the redirect after merging.) (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 09:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fail of WP:GNG and WP:ORG. nearlyevil 665 09:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fail of WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. nearlyevil 665 08:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep a Hungarian Cup runner-up and former first division club will have sourcing even if they're in the third division now and played in the first division for only four seasons in the 1940s, which will likely also have sourcing. [25] [26]. This contains a list of recent articles on the club. Needs improving, not deleting; the Hungarian article would be a good place to start, though unfortunately it's light on sourcing too. SportingFlyer T· C 10:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Tom and Jerry filmography. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 10:16, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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I am afraid this topic fails to meet GNG/ WP:NFILM. During my BEFORE I failed to find any reference to this outside a few passing mentions that it exists. The cited Encyclopedia entry is sadly just a mention in passing; this short does not have its own entry - the edition I checked (newer, the 2008 edition of the same cited encyclopedia) only mentions the subject in the main Tom and Jerry article, in the timeline entry for 1962 as one of the T&J releases for that year ("...“Tall in the Trap” (Deitch/Sept. 1); “Sorry Safari” (Deitch/Oct. 1); “Buddies Thicker Than Water” (Deitch/Nov. 1);..."). It seems this short doesn't have anything else to say about itself outside "I exist"; no reliable source discusses its history, inspiration, reception, significance, etc. At best, this can be redirected to some list of Tom and Jerry shorts, if one is created (or maybe there is a better list someone can find)? Unless someone can find sources I missed, I am afraid this is the best we can do. We are not a catalogue of non-notable animation shorts or similar entities. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:40, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep The quality of the nomination and its BEFORE may be judged from the fact that it cites a redlink, not having managed to find the Tom and Jerry filmography which lists all T&J cartoons. The page in question is an obvious spinoff, the driveby does not identify any significant problem that needs fixing and, in any case, this is not cleanup. The usual policies apply: WP:ATD, WP:NOTPAPER, WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:49, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Multiple books cover animated shorts in detail from this era, including the one cited in the article that covers this film as well. Also covered in Tom and Jerry: The Definitive Guide to Their Animated Adventures By Patrick Brion 1990. Donaldd23 ( talk) 11:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Donaldd23, As I have demonstrated in the OP, the book cited in the article DOES NOT cover this animated short in any detail. As for Tom and Jerry: The Definitive Guide to Their Animated Adventures, please tell me how you got access to this work? I don't see it searchable on Google Books or Amazon, nor was I able to locate this book anywhere else I looked. Anyway, looking at sample images like [27] it is possible this book has a paragraph about the cartoon - but what this sample also shows is that the coverage in that book doesn't go beyond pure plot summary. In fact, who knows, our article may be a copyvio from this book, since both are just plot summaries. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:51, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
      • Since when does Wikipedia require the contents of EVERY book to be available and searchable online? That is NOT a requirement. The film is covered in the book, that's enough. As to how I "got access to this work", I don't need to prove to you that I own this book. It exists and it covers this film, that makes it pass, at the very least, WP:GNG. Donaldd23 ( talk) 12:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
        • The burden of proof is on you to show that the source meets the definition of significant coverage as required by GNG. If you don't have access to the source, then you have no way of knowing what the source says about the topic. The very act of being mentioned in a book is not significant coverage in itself. TTN ( talk) 13:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to the main list of cartoons. One keep is a completely dishonest attempt at wikilawyering, and the other discusses coverage without actually providing any context as to what pertinent information exists in the source. I cannot seem to find a searchable copy of the Definitive Guide listed, but the single preview picture I can find shows coverage is limited to one or two paragraphs and some screenshots of each cartoon. The text is illegible, but I cannot imagine the context is more than a minor plot summary. If you have access to the source and can provide some quotes pertaining to non-plot information, please let me know. The source in the article seems to be no different and currently is not used to cite anything beyond a single date. TTN ( talk) 16:36, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Tom and Jerry filmography. Encyclopedias are not a catalog all movies or episodes of various franchises, list will suffice for that. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 03:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Tom and Jerry filmography - The nomination and TTN have done a sufficient job at analyzing the available sources, showing that a stand alone article is not warranted for this short. It is covered on the main filmography article already, so redirecting there is appropriate. Rorshacma ( talk) 20:14, 21 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Tom and Jerry filmography. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 10:24, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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I am afraid this topic fails to meet GNG/ WP:NFILM. During my BEFORE I failed to find any reference to this outside a few passing mentions that it exists and is a parody of Moby Dick (here's the best one). The cited Encyclopedia entry is sadly just a mention in passing; this short does not have its own entry - the edition I checked (newer, the 2008 edition of the same cited encyclopedia) only mentions the subject in the main Tom and Jerry article, in the timeline entry for 1962 as one of the T&J releases for that year ("...“Calypso Cat” (Deitch/June 1); “Dicky Moe” (Deitch/July 1); “The Tom and Jerry Cartoon Kit” (Deitch/Aug. 1);..."). It seems this short doesn't have anything else to say about itself outside "I exist"; no reliable source discusses its history, inspiration, reception, significance, etc. At best, this can be redirected to some list of Tom and Jerry shorts, if one is created (or maybe there is a better list someone can find)? Unless someone can find sources I missed, I am afraid this is the best we can do. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep The quality of the nomination and its BEFORE may be judged from the fact that it cites a redlink, not having managed to find the Tom and Jerry filmography which lists all T&J cartoons. The page in question is an obvious spinoff, the driveby does not identify any significant problem that needs fixing and, in any case, this is not cleanup. The usual policies apply: WP:ATD, WP:NOTPAPER, WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Multiple books cover animated shorts in detail from this era, including the one cited in the article that covers this film as well.Also covered in Tom and Jerry: The Definitive Guide to Their Animated Adventures By Patrick Brion 1990. Donaldd23 ( talk) 11:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    Donaldd23, As I have demonstrated in the OP, the book cited in the article DOES NOT cover this animated short in any detail. As for Tom and Jerry: The Definitive Guide to Their Animated Adventures, please tell me how you got access to this work? I don't see it searchable on Google Books or Amazon, nor was I able to locate this book anywhere else I looked. Anyway, looking at sample images like [28] it is possible this book has a paragraph about the cartoon - but what this sample also shows is that the coverage in that book doesn't go beyond pure plot summary. In fact, who knows, our article may be a copyvio from this book, since both are just plot summaries. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:52, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Since when does Wikipedia require the contents of EVERY book to be available and searchable online? That is NOT a requirement. The film is covered in the book, that's enough. As to how I "got access to this work", I don't need to prove to you that I own this book. It exists and it covers this film, that makes it pass, at the very least, WP:GNG. Donaldd23 ( talk) 12:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • The burden of proof is on you to show that the source meets the definition of significant coverage as required by GNG. If you don't have access to the source, then you have no way of knowing what the source says about the topic. The very act of being mentioned in a book is not significant coverage in itself. TTN ( talk) 13:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. There is consensus that the subject is notable by WP:GNG. This might also have been eligible for a speedy keep per WP:SK#1, with the nominator deleting a copy-pasted nomination rational shortly after creating this AfD page. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 17:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Majiziya Bhanu

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Keep: Loads of coverage of her from before this Big Boss thing, focussed on her powerlifting and wearing of the hijab: [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], [40]. I don't know what the rules are for bodybuilders specifically, but I think she's passed the general notability rules. Would consider draftifying until revised into a full article. Furius ( talk) 11:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Strong Keep: The nominator hasnt even given a proper reason for this nomination. Also something suspicious has happened to the article. After the nom Bilal.Choudary2 nominated the article for deletion, an IP came and blanked some section of the article just after 3 minutes. I dont know whether it is a coinincidence or something well planned. The subject is the first Hijabi powerlifiter from Kerala. The sources in the article are giving enough in-depth coverage to the article. If someone is not satisfied with the sigcov, please ping me. I can provide more Malayalam sources here. Regards. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 00:18, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus on WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 10:41, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Viðar Örn Hafsteinsson

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Simply does not meet WP:NBASKETBALL. Onel5969 TT me 02:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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For me it would probably be these: Morgunblaðið - Coverage about him and his success with Höttur. Vísir.is/Stöð 2 - An interview on Stöð 2 with him regarding his stay with the team and recent promotion in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic in Iceland. Fréttablaðið - Article/interview regarding him and the flow of foreign players in the Icelandic leagues. This one is also from Vísir.is but is a good coverage about him and his team and a discussion about the interview with him. He became a bit of a cult phenomenon due to his bluntness in the interview and his quotes have been frequent headlines in the Icelandic media. [41] [42] [43] [44]
  • Keep - I agree that the sources above are enough to demonstrate WP:GNG, which simply requires that multiple reliable sources discuss the subject in a non-trivial way (multiple paragraphs dedicated to the subject would be more than a trivial mention); the references cited are from major reliable Icelandic publications, many of which I am familiar with when working on Icelandic footballer articles. Furthermore, there would be no obvious merge target so it's essentially keep or delete. There's definitely enough Icelandic media coverage to support a keep vote in this instance. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Here, the keeping arguments have not properly addressed the deletion arguments fully, so comparatively the deletion arguments weigh more. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 11:00, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Draw My Life

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Does not warrant its own article per WP:GNG. None of the sources discuss the subject in question directly. Not enough significant coverage by reliable secondary sources. Relies mostly on primary sources. Throast ( talk) 13:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Seems to have a lot of coverage. The BBC:
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  • Keep Agree for the reasons stated above. The article needs to be improved by incorporating those better sources, but they do exist. The notability disclaimers currently on there have that covered for the time being. Internetronic ( talk) 19:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete assuming that Spiderone's "keep" !vote is solely procedural. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Marthoma Senior Secondary School, Kozhencherry

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A WP:BEFORE search in both English and Malayalam reveals nothing besides trivial and routine coverage. Fails WP:GNG. YogeshWarah Talk 04:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Several improvents have been made on the article which makes it passes GNG (non-admin closure) Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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There is no RS coverage of this group. The page was the subject of a AfD in 2012 which resulted in a no-consensus. In the decade since then, no RS content has been added to the page. In short, the group does not meet notability requirements. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 15:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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I improved the article to at least 'keep' standard - it needs more work, for sure (from someone more engaged in this area than I), but it's the leading environmental organisation in the Emirates. Any attempt at a BEFORE would have established that. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 10:56, 6 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Subject doesn't meet WP:NPOL: Mayor-elect of a city of about 78,000. WP:PROD (within 3 hours of creation) and WP:Draftify (within a day of creation) reverted, so here we are. Closeapple ( talk) 05:18, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per own nomination: Bloomington, Illinois isn't big enough for a mayor to be considered inevitably notable. Mwilambwe's only other elected office is as an alderman, which is a district member of the same city council. His highest professional position is on a department's staff at Illinois State University in the same city. The biography is lifted straight from his campaign site; the only independent coverage on Google web/news searches appear to be local routine coverage of city council and campaigns. WP:PROD was removed by the article creator Uinko ( talk · contribs) without comment; move to WP:Drafts was moved back to article space by GoldAu79 ( talk · contribs), another relatively inexperienced user, also without comment. -- Closeapple ( talk) 05:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as per nom, misses multiple coverage for BASIC. RockOften ( talk) 16:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Don't Delete I think the page should stay as the current mayor, Tari Renner has a page already, though I understand that since Mwilambwe wouldn't be considered notable enough yet, I suppose it could be placed back under draft until he would be considered notable enough. GoldAu79 ( talk) 01:34, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • I re-created the Renner article relying more on his professorship than his mayoral position. I'd be unopposed to that deletion if opposed. --Mpen320 via mobile
    • Tari Renner's notability seems marginal at best, and Mboka Mwilambwe has less notability than Renner; for example, Renner was at least Democratic nominee for Congress and had a minor regular spot on WEEK-TV, and those aren't even enough to match Wikipedia:Notability. As Mpen320 implied, the only way even Renner might be notable is if he's particularly well-known in his academic field of political science, not necessarily as as actual public politician, and right now I don't even see much proof of that. -- Closeapple ( talk) 01:04, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nomination.--Mpen320 via mobile
  • Move to Draft I see, well Could you move it back to draft so then I could continue working on it until the page is considered notable enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldAu79 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Bloomington IL is not a large or important enough city to guarantee the "inherent" notability of every mayor it's ever had — but the article is not sourced well enough to clear the bar that mayors actually have to clear (which is the ability to write and reliably source a substantial article that demonstrates his political significance, not just the ability to verify that he won the mayoral election.) And no, just because his predecessor has an article doesn't mean he automatically gets one too, either: his predecessor is demonstrating preexisting notability as an academic, and isn't depending on mayoralty alone, but even when it comes to the mayoralty he's still showing considerably more substance and sourcing than this is. Again: the notability test for mayors is not "verifiably elected as mayor = automatically in" — it requires much more significance and much more sourcing than just showing minimal verification that he exists. Bearcat ( talk) 04:02, 20 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Mottezen ( talk) 18:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

HP Data Protector

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The sources included are either sponsored posts, primary sources, or articles where the topic is only mentioned in passing. The only good source is this: [45], and it's from 1992. There is also a user guide on google books, but I don't think it's independent from the subject. Mottezen ( talk) 04:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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After nominating this article, I tried searching "omniback" on google books and got lots of results. Omniback is described in the article as the previous name of this software, before 2004. I'm now thinking that this subject is only notable historically, under a name different than the title. What should we do in this situation? Mottezen ( talk) 05:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

  • See whether it is possible to use those sources to make the article better. Consider how in-depth they are. Cite the good ones in the article. And boldface the alternative article title so that the next editor along spots this more easily. ☺ The question that you have to answer for yourself is, on the basis of what you have found, whether you still want this entire edit history deleted; and whether it now seems possible to write a proper in-depth article from good in-depth sources. Uncle G ( talk) 12:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
    • I think it's possible to write an unbiased article about this subject during the 1990s, but the promotional and primary nature of all the sources available since makes this current article little more than a promo page. I will withdraw my nomination, delete all the promotional text, but stop short of rewriting a new article because I'm not very familiar with backup softwares at all. Mottezen ( talk) 18:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Wild Oak Music Group

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I cannot find any reliable, independent sources that provide significant (or any) coverage of this music group. Either delete outright, or merge the important 10% of this article into California State University, Chico. JackFromReedsburg ( talk | contribs) 04:24, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. TheSandDoctor Talk 00:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC) reply

1:6 scale modeling

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I see no evidence that a 1:6 scale model is particularly notable. Article is full of WP:OR. If it wasn't for the about.com article that is cited, I would say that the term "playscale miniaturism" is made up because it isn't used anywhere else. Rusf10 ( talk) 03:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. ✗ plicit 06:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Chamaki

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Fails WP:GEOLAND:

Its population has been reported exactly zero in the 2016 census. Ctrl+F "040333" here.

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 06:30, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable company. Unsourced and no coverage can be found outside of press releases in industry journals. Should be deleted per WP:CORP. Ganesha811 ( talk) 20:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Log entry:

(non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 09:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Marco Parisotto

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Reads like an advert, full of primary-source quotes instead of facts. Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 01:06, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21 talk 04:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Reylynn Caster

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The actress does not seem noteworthy actress as per the policy WP:ENT. This article should be discussed to see if it fits. Dixiku ( talk) 00:29, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep: has a significant role in this The Young and the Restless thing, which seems to be a pretty notable show, based on the amount written about it on wiki. Furius ( talk) 10:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. KaisaL ( talk) 14:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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Looks to fail GNG and NMUSICIAN. There are some mentions of him out there but only in unreliable sources, and even then there is no in-depth discussion. Article is also very promotional in tone. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 13:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC) reply

A c Kadlur

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The person did not win a single election. Doesn't satisfy the minimum criteria set by WP:NPOL. Dixiku ( talk) 00:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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  1. ^ "The main fight is between Congress and BJP in Yadgir district". February 15, 2016. Archived from the original on February 16, 2016. Retrieved April 17, 2021 – via www.thehindu.com.
  2. ^ Naraboli, Ravikumar (March 17, 2018). "JD(S) may have to sweat it out in Yadgir". Archived from the original on November 9, 2020. Retrieved April 17, 2021 – via www.thehindu.com.
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