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Tell me, why can't I post a photo of Vasil Mzhavanadze on my training page? If a picture of him can be posted on his personal page, why is there a restriction on my training page?-- Lasha-george ( talk) 13:57, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lasha-george. Please see my post at User talk:JJMC89#Vasil Mzhavanadze. — Marchjuly ( talk) 14:14, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, that's understandable. I really did not know ... I will not add, if so, his picture. thank you!-- Lasha-george ( talk) 14:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

No worries. Non-free content use on Wikipedia can be tricky because there are so many restrictions placed on it. For future reference, it's probably a good idea to check to see how a file is licensed before adding it to any Wikipedia page. Most of the time it should be OK to use any files uploaded under a free license or as public domain on any page, but you need to be a little more careful with anything uploaded to locally to Wikipedia as non-free content. Mistakes are sometimes made with the way a file is licensed, however; so, if you suspect something has been licensed incorrectly, you can always ask about it at WP:MCQ if the file was uploaded to Wikipedia or c:COM:VPC if the file was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and someone will try and help you. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi! You replied to my Tearoom question, but I could not discover how to reply directly to your reply.

I asked how I could add a project banner to my WP User page. Specifically, I'd like to display the project banner for geographically unbiased writing, to show my support for and interest in the project.

I also have the problem that I can no longer find that project :) Could you also tell me how to see a list of projects?

Thank you! MultiScrivner ( talk) 12:14, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi MultiScrivner. You can find a list of WikiProjects at Wikipedia:WikiProject Directory. As for the "project banner", most WikiProjects have what is called a WikiProject banner, but these are templates that are added to the talk pages that fall within the scope of a WikiProject; I don't believe they're intended to be added to user pages. What you're looking for (I think) is called a Wikipedia:Userbox. Many WikiProjects have userboxes that their members can add to their user page. You can find some of them here. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:25, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative answer! I'll sort through it and i'm confident I'll find what I was looking for :) MultiScrivner ( talk) 23:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I hope you find what you're looking for. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 12:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ Chaheel Riens:Thank you for the notification. It's quite unfortunate that the discussion ended up deteriorating to such a degree that it needed to be resolved via ANI. For future reference, it might be better to remove such comments asap per WP:NPA and WP:TPG#Removing harmful posts and then bringing them to the attention of others via WP:DIFFs instead of actually copying and pasting them onto other pages. Sometimes comments such as these end up being WP:REVDELeted because they are so problematic, which means they will also need to be manually removed from any other pages where they can be viewed. A diff, on the other hand, is just a link and anyone clicking on a revdeleted link will only know it's been revdeleted without being able to what was written. Administrators can still see the diff (unless the content has been WP:SUPPRESSed), but regular editors won't be able to. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I have my reasons not to respond on Commons, but feel free to link or copy my reply if you wish.
When I added that back in 2018 I was still learning the ropes and found it rather insane that the Vodafone logo was unacceptable because it's so simple. But UK TOO really is just that damn low. Looking back it's the stupidest thing to get angry over, but back in the day I did: c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vodafone 2017.svg. After that I also created c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Vodafone logos and most of it was deleted. Of course, this doesn't stop people from re-uploading the Vodafone logo over and over and over. King of Hearts is right that Commons/Wikimedia can legally do whatever it wants in this case ( here on enwiki we have it as PD-USonly), but you can't just change the source country. (unless you adjust policy to allow defining the source country however you please) Super Mario is still Japanese, even if I'm sure more copies were sold in the US. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 06:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Alexis Jazz. Thanks for the clarification. I pinged you at Commons only as a courtesy after seeing that your Commons account had been unblocked. It wasn't my intent to try and get you involved in any new Commons drama; so, there's no need for you to comment if you prefer not to do so. FWIW, I only asked about the logo because I was inadvertantly reminded about it while checking on some other files. I agree that the UK's TOO is quite low and have no problems with the {{ PD-ineligible-USonly}} license being used here on English Wikipedia. The other language Wikipedias will have to deal with it in their own ways. As for the files already uploaded to Commons, perhaps some of them are OK as KOH states; if not, someone will probably start a DR about them. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 08:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

TOO tends to create quite some drama/confusion, many countries don't have known TOO and for logos from multinationals it can be difficult to even determine the source country. Problematic uploads are most commonly files from the UK and Australia. As it happens, those countries speak English and English Wikipedia (a very likely source for re-users) doesn't give a hoot and hosts those logos as {{ PD-ineligible-USonly}}. So Commons barely helps re-users with the "free in source country" restriction in this case. So I can see where King of Hearts is coming from. After giving it some thought, the simplest solution would probably be allowing/introducing {{ PD-ineligible-USonly}} on Commons as well.
Btw, how did you generate diff links like c:Special:Diff/Alexis Jazz/319282644 with the username as the first parameter? I'm asking because the reply tool I created ( Bawl) can't recognize these currently to rewrite external URLs to internal ones. If this is generated by an official/popular gadget or MediaWiki feature I'll have to patch this in. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 06:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I've always found it weird that the combined effect of our policies resulted in preventing the Australian Aboriginal Flag from being shown in Spain and Latin America but not in Australia. (Well, its status is now changed, but I'm referring to how it used to be.) -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:34, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@ Alexis Jazz and King of Hearts: I don't use tools or scripts (at least not knowingly). When I add a diff to a discussion, it's usually the result of digging through a page's history until I find what I need. I then just use the simple diff syntax that you gave above. I'm not sure where I picked that up, but I probably saw someone else doing it on some page at some point. I sort of remember using {{ diff}} early on, but found it a bit cumbersome and have no idea when I switched over to the other side. In the case of your edit, I worked backwards from when that statement was transcluded into c:COM:TOO United States by checking through the history of that page and then moving to c:COM:TOO until I found the edit you made. I just keep checking revisions, trying to narrow it down to certain date range; then, I start look at individual diffs or edit summaries. The edit summary you left stated "United States" and that was one of the search words I used. Not a very efficient method I know, but old habits die hard. As for {{ PD-ineligible-USonly}}, I know of some people who do lots of work with non-free content who find it weird as well, but (if I remember correctly) their position was sort of the opposite: they feel it shouldn't be allowed to be used on English Wikipedia. As for something like being done for Commons, I'm not sure that's ever been proposed. One thing I find odd is that c:Template:Not-free-US-FOP seems to be OK for Commons but Template:FoP-USonly isn't. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I've found it weird that US FoP is de facto ignored on Commons, as is URAA for pre-2012 uploads. Now, at least there's a plausible possibility for the former to be legally sound in the US; maybe US courts will apply German law to allow German sculptures to be freely reproduced in the US. But the URAA exception based on upload date is totally arbitrary. It was supposed to be merely "don't mass delete everything" which makes sense, but now we routinely keep pre-2012 uploaded images at DR which are clearly copyrighted in the US. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

In that case I think your diff syntax is invalid, you specified my username as an old ID. Only "prev", "next" or a valid revision ID are accepted values for that. MediaWiki happens to ignore the invalid old ID so the link still works. Creation of wikilinks being cumbersome is part of why I made User:Alexis Jazz/Bawl: now I can just lazily dump a copied URL in my message and it automagically transforms into a wikilink. To find someone to blame I usually use Wikiblame. King of Hearts, nope nope nope. Legal disagrees. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 10:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@ Alexis Jazz: I'm not particularly concerned about the legal definition of source country, because outside of some US formality-related rules for old images or countries with no copyright relations with the US, the source country as recognized by law does not actually affect its US copyright status (and thus its legality to host on Commons). So I always interpret "source country" to mean "most relevant country if there is one", because that is the sole reason why Commons requires images to be free in their source country, as a proxy for the most likely reusers of an image because the ideal of "free to use anywhere in the world" is too impractical. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Separate matter

Since you're both very experienced with files and how they're used and since I kind of have you both on speaker phone right now. I'm wondering what your take is on File:Toxic Twins.jpg. My understanding is that in concert photos of bands are generally not allowed per WP:FREER and WP:NFC#CS unless there's specific sourced critical commentary about the photo itself. This one is being used twice (once in Aerosmith and once in Steven Tyler), but I'm not sure there's a strong justification for either use. The use in Steven Tyler also seems to fail WP:NFCC#10c, but not sure why that has yet to have been flagged by JJMC89's bot. Usually, the bot's pretty good a finding files missing non-free use rationales for some or all of their uses (which includes malformed rationales that might only need some tweaking). The file seems to have been first added here as part of larger edit by someone who I'm assuming just thought the file was no different from any other being used in the article. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not really an expert when it comes to WP:NFCC but I think you're right. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 10:10, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

There is a CC-licensed image from Flickr being used for essentially the same encyclopedic purpose in Toxic twins which makes any non-free non-compliant per WP:FREER. Even if that one were to be deleted from Commons for some reason (e.g. c:COM:LL) that still wouldn't make this one OK per WP:NFCCP in my opinion. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Marchjuly! I posted this already in your Wikimedia talk page, but still posting here also to get faster response. I need your help. You have recently tagged my file File:'Bird's Madhubani drawing' by Harsh Kharya.jpg with the template Template:dw-nsd. But this file is completely my own son's work. He made the drawing himself. So what is the problem with it? Can you please tell the problem with the file. It is my own son's work. Please help me. Thank you GoldenHayato ( talk) 04:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I'll respond over at Commons. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 04:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Marchjuly. Please don't remove the file from Madhubani art because I am NOT adding it for promotion of my son. I am adding for visual representation of Madhubani art. I hav already written this at the file's description at Wikimedia Commons. Thank you. GoldenHayato ( talk) 05:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

See my post on your Wikipedia user talk page. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello. As you're currently listed as a host at the Teahouse, I wanted to make sure you're aware of the imminent rollout of new Growth Team Features which every new account will be getting by default. Each users will soon see a new 'Homepage' tab next to their User page. It contains two main elements which might impact on your involvement - and you'd be welcome to get involved and help out directly with one of them.

• Firstly, they will be offered a range of 'suggested edits', and encouraged to make simple improvements to pages that interest them. (Being aware of this feature would be helpful for all Teahouse hosts if you're likely to offer advice on tasks for them to start out doing.)
• There's also a 'Your impact' box to show them how many people have seen the pages they've just edited.
• Finally, each new user is randomly assigned a 'mentor' from a list of friendly, experienced editors, like yourself. If they get stuck, they can ask a question directly to them via a Your mentor box, and hopefully get a swift, friendly answer from that mentor. Currently, this feature is given to 2% of new users, but it's set to increase to around 10% in the very near future.

To spread the load on our current list of around 65 mentors, I'm reaching out to ask if you'd like to help out and sign up as one? The workload is relatively small; User Panini! reports receiving four questions a month, on average, all of which were simple ones of the type we already get at the Teahouse, whilst I've had just one in the last 3 weeks. To view a list of every question asked of all mentors over the last 14 days, click here.

If becoming a mentor and being available to help new users on their first few days here interests you - just as you already do at the Teahouse - then please consider signing up at Growth Team features/Mentor list. Existing users can already 'opt-in' to seeing the Newcomer Homepage features via their Preferences.

Thank you! Nick Moyes ( talk) 10:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the message Nick. Sounds interesting and I'll give it a look. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 11:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the nice reply. I'll certainly develop the article. Once again thank you Marchjuly-- Ctbcmpm ( talk) 13:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)