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Thanks for the explanation and kind response, but sometimes it is difficult to define the origin of the image files from the media, they put tweets or firefighters, they don't put anything else, they probably take from social media. Given this difficulty in assigning licenses, I no longer put any photos or files if not taken by me, with my camera. I am not currently uploading anything to wikimedia anymore. Best Regards -- Peter39c ( talk) 00:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Dear March/July, Thank you for your comments and explanations. There were two main points in yur message on Teahouse (forgive me if I use the wrong terminology - I'm still trying to find my way around the Wiki system). a. Removal of template regarding citations ( Josef Josten biography). I have indeed checked all the sources: as inheritor of the family papers, I actually have hard copies of the books and newspaper cuttings. I agree it would be nice to quote online sources, but they are hard to find for events that happened 40+ years ago! I'll therefore remove the template, although I'll continue to look out for improved citations.
b. Uploaded photo. The photo concerned was "commissioned" by Josef (probably from a local camera shop) for use in various identity documents, so presumably he would have owned the copyright, which would then have passed to me as inheritor of his estate. I apologise if my use of the "my own work" category was misleading. However, that seemed the only place where I could assert ownership of the copyright. I'm not sure how one proves the case. Even if I can find a suitable photo which I actually took myself, how would I prove it?
(Incidentally, I was not surprised that you found the same photo uploaded on Julian Lewis' website: he collaborated with Josef on various projects, so Josef would have sent him a hard copy.) Best wishes, Honza Giles ( talk) 10:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Honza Giles Honza Giles ( talk) 10:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
inheritor of his [Josten's] estate, you are almost certainly going to be considered to have a conflict of interest with respect to anything written about him on Wikipedia; so, I strongly suggest you carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and follow the guidance given there. Although Wikipedia doesn't expressly prohibit conflict-of-interest editing, it does highly discourage it because can can often lead to other more serious issues as well as problems with other editors. The more transparent you're about your connection to Josten and the closer you follow Wikipedia's guidelines with respect to conflict-of-interest editing, the less likely you're going to find yourself running into problems.
family paperswould have very little value even if they're factually true if they aren't things that have been published and aren't somewhat reasonably accessible to others to allow verification. If Josten's personal papers and other writings were published and reviewed by third parties (e.g. scholars), then they would have encyclopedic value in a Wikipedia sense; if, on the other hand, they simply things passed down to you and that you have had the only access to, then they have almost no value in a Wikipedia sense. I'm not trying to be discouraging, but they wouldn't be considered a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes and would more likely be treated as original research instead.
Hi Marchjuly, Thank you for your kind message and your explanation. Actually, as I can see from the draft, I succeeded to attach the needed file "Isaac B. Bersuker in 2008.png". Also, as you recommended, I provided the copyright information. The uploaded photo was used on the cover page of the book "The Jahn-Teller Effect and Beyond" (ISBN 978-9975-62-212-7) where I am listed as the copyright holder. The second holder of the copyright, James E. Boggs, died several years ago. Therefore, now I am the only holder of the copyright over the whole book and, in particular, over the photograph on its cover. Sincerely, vpolinger ( talk) 06:29, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
There are two different files that require different discussions? Why did you add the jpg file to the png discussion after I explained to you the difference between the two logos? What is your issue with these files? —JlACEer ( talk) 02:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks for the explanation and kind response, but sometimes it is difficult to define the origin of the image files from the media, they put tweets or firefighters, they don't put anything else, they probably take from social media. Given this difficulty in assigning licenses, I no longer put any photos or files if not taken by me, with my camera. I am not currently uploading anything to wikimedia anymore. Best Regards -- Peter39c ( talk) 00:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Dear March/July, Thank you for your comments and explanations. There were two main points in yur message on Teahouse (forgive me if I use the wrong terminology - I'm still trying to find my way around the Wiki system). a. Removal of template regarding citations ( Josef Josten biography). I have indeed checked all the sources: as inheritor of the family papers, I actually have hard copies of the books and newspaper cuttings. I agree it would be nice to quote online sources, but they are hard to find for events that happened 40+ years ago! I'll therefore remove the template, although I'll continue to look out for improved citations.
b. Uploaded photo. The photo concerned was "commissioned" by Josef (probably from a local camera shop) for use in various identity documents, so presumably he would have owned the copyright, which would then have passed to me as inheritor of his estate. I apologise if my use of the "my own work" category was misleading. However, that seemed the only place where I could assert ownership of the copyright. I'm not sure how one proves the case. Even if I can find a suitable photo which I actually took myself, how would I prove it?
(Incidentally, I was not surprised that you found the same photo uploaded on Julian Lewis' website: he collaborated with Josef on various projects, so Josef would have sent him a hard copy.) Best wishes, Honza Giles ( talk) 10:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Honza Giles Honza Giles ( talk) 10:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
inheritor of his [Josten's] estate, you are almost certainly going to be considered to have a conflict of interest with respect to anything written about him on Wikipedia; so, I strongly suggest you carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and follow the guidance given there. Although Wikipedia doesn't expressly prohibit conflict-of-interest editing, it does highly discourage it because can can often lead to other more serious issues as well as problems with other editors. The more transparent you're about your connection to Josten and the closer you follow Wikipedia's guidelines with respect to conflict-of-interest editing, the less likely you're going to find yourself running into problems.
family paperswould have very little value even if they're factually true if they aren't things that have been published and aren't somewhat reasonably accessible to others to allow verification. If Josten's personal papers and other writings were published and reviewed by third parties (e.g. scholars), then they would have encyclopedic value in a Wikipedia sense; if, on the other hand, they simply things passed down to you and that you have had the only access to, then they have almost no value in a Wikipedia sense. I'm not trying to be discouraging, but they wouldn't be considered a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes and would more likely be treated as original research instead.
Hi Marchjuly, Thank you for your kind message and your explanation. Actually, as I can see from the draft, I succeeded to attach the needed file "Isaac B. Bersuker in 2008.png". Also, as you recommended, I provided the copyright information. The uploaded photo was used on the cover page of the book "The Jahn-Teller Effect and Beyond" (ISBN 978-9975-62-212-7) where I am listed as the copyright holder. The second holder of the copyright, James E. Boggs, died several years ago. Therefore, now I am the only holder of the copyright over the whole book and, in particular, over the photograph on its cover. Sincerely, vpolinger ( talk) 06:29, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
There are two different files that require different discussions? Why did you add the jpg file to the png discussion after I explained to you the difference between the two logos? What is your issue with these files? —JlACEer ( talk) 02:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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