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Delete - Most if not all sources there are blog-type material, Other than those listed I can't find any shred of notability. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 02:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Easily fails
WP:NACTOR at this point. No
WP:RS to indicate otherwise. "a promising future" ==
WP:TOOSOON... --
Jersey92 (
talk) 14:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Don't delete. None of these citations are blogs. The New York Times, Amazon, Local Paper, IMDB. This page should be kept. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
50.75.213.10 (
talk •
contribs)
IMDb is a database that lists (or tries to list) everyone who's ever appeared on screen, no matter how insignificant their part is. Moreover, it's considered unreliable since most content is user-submitted. The NYTimes link is useless since it's basically a page saying "we at the NYTimes have no idea who Kaitlyn Wylde is, though we see that she's listed at the All Movie Guide". As for the Amazon link, the biographical section is user-submitted so it doesn't count as third-party, reliable coverage which is
what we're looking for.
Pichpich (
talk) 15:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete: What I'm seeing at IMDB is an obscure starlet with a handful of "Young Woman"/"Waitress"/uncredited bit parts. Just being on IMDB means nothing; my brother-in-law, who worked as an extra on a handful of films, has an IMDB page. Having a few pages published out of a Kindle bucketshop isn't impressive either: the sales rank on Kindle of her poetry pamphlet doesn't crack Amazon's top hundred thousand.Nha Trang 22:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Besides the above, it was created by an editor with a likely
conflict of interest if "TC Books" is "Thought Catalog".
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk) 17:49, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. What notability there might be is not apparent. --
Hoary (
talk) 11:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete The New York Times
source doesn't say anything about her. --
Artene50 (
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Unable to find any coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject of this unsourced
BLP, does not appear to meet
GNG or
ANYBIO. Would have used BLP PROD but too old. J04n(
talk page) 23:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I found a few passing mentions on Google Books, but nothing significant enough to meet GNG.
Sarahj2107 (
talk) 08:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Makes no strong claim of
notability, and cites exactly zero
reliable sources. I especially got a great laugh out of the way this article highlights the fact that "she is a recipient of the Canadian Commemorative Medal" as if that meant something — for the record, that was a one-off program of community volunteer recognition which the Canadian government undertook in 1992 to mark Canada's 125th anniversary, for which anybody could send anybody's name to their local MP and then that second anybody, of which there were tens of thousands nationwide and I was one of them, would get a medallion and a "thank you for being involved in your community" form letter. Sure, it's a nice thing to have, but it doesn't mean you've earned a place in an encyclopedia — and unfortunately, nothing else here means that either.
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A
fringe theory on
Melchizedek which is only attested to by fringe proponents and therefore fails our notability criterion for articles about fringe theories. (See
WP:FRIND.)
jps (
talk) 21:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - per nom, and as failing due to
WP:FORK. This is the sort of article that is likely to become the repository of trivia and edit warring, which we don't need right now.
Bearian (
talk) 21:28, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete A clear promotion of utterly non-notable fringe beliefs. No RS sources. Article fails
WP:V. -
Ad Orientem (
talk) 22:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I created this article in 2011, but only to remove such fringe material from the important article
Melchizedek. Please note that also section
Melchizedek#The Urantia Book of Article
Melchizedek shall be deleted.
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The result was delete all.
Secretaccount 19:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm relatively confident that individual bus stops aren't
notable unless there's a corner of Wikipedia notability policy I'm missing.
Sam Walton (
talk) 21:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment: The closing admin should take a look at the rest of the articles created by
Amss125 after this AfD was started.
Sam Walton (
talk) 11:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Speedy Content is to the effect of, "This is a bus stop in Norway" and no refs ~
R.
T.
G 21:40, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Speedy. Non-notable.
Sjö (
talk) 21:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete all I'm sorry the author has gone to some much work on these, but what's next? Every single bus stop in London, NYC and Tokyo? for starters?
ubiquity (
talk) 22:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete the lot - I fail to see the point in these at all!, I appreciate some stops may be notable & what not but these sure as hell aren't. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 02:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Snow delete all. I can't think of a situation where any of these pages could be considered notable; this is pure
WP:INDISCRIMINATE stuff. Deadbeef 02:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Not important, you can't write much about them and they're not notable.
Mynameisnotdave (
talk/
contribs) 17:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Snow Delete all per every comment above. In addition these articles appear to fail the often overlooked requirement
that stub articles should have some reasonable hope of expansion into encyclopedic articles. I can't see that here. -
Ad Orientem (
talk) 23:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete all. No indication of notability. --
Kinut/c 07:43, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete all - Not notable at all —
BranStark (
talk) 15:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete all, we don't do bus stops.
Geschichte (
talk) 22:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete 'em Shame so much work has apparently gone into them, but the fact of a bus stop's existence does not (unlike a place or a secondary school) make it notable. Cheers, LindsayHello 04:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Members of minor sports leagues are not inherently notable, and no other assertion of notability is made. Once source, not reliable. —
Swpbtalk 20:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Note: This discussion has been included in
WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.
NorthAmerica1000 20:55, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - he has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails
WP:NSPORT and
WP:GNG.
Sir Sputnik (
talk) 21:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - Fails
WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a
fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy
GNG. Additionally nothing to indicate any achievements during high school / college to satisfy
WP:NCOLLATH.
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This article about a now-defunct band would need a major rewrite to address
WP:TONE and
WP:POV issues. Recently, a member of the band,
Eric Recourt (
talk·contribs) has been mostly
editing the article, including inserting external links to his personal Facebook page and deleting part of the original lead, leaving just "Eric Recourt was the driving force behind db9d9 [...]" at the beginning.
The citations are very non-precise. The only cited source that I could find online
[1] is short, subjective and looks like self-published -- not a useful source to build an article on. The
last archived copy of industrialmusic.com from 2005 does not appear to say anything about DB9D9. "Dark Music Webzine" does not seem to exist any more and might be a self-published source too.
Outburn Magazine's past issues
can still be purchased online, but the citation doesn't say which issue it's from, and their website does not mention DB9D9. "San Diego Union Tribune" is now
U-T San Diego, they have recent articles available online, but I could not find the blurb or DB9D9 using Google and their site search.
Given that this article is in such a state and good sources aren't easily accessible, I think it's unlikely it'll ever be fixed and thus I propose it for deletion. --
intgr[talk] 19:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete.
Spamtastic is solvable; spamtastic and unnotable per
WP:GNG and
WP:NBAND isn't. No significant coverage in reliable sources present themselves either in the article or in my searches.
Dylanfromthenorth (
talk) 22:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete no evidence of notability now or likely in the future--
Mevagiss (
talk) 21:13, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete without prejudice - I can't philosophically prove non-notability, but it would need demolition and rewriting. The discography suggests notability is possible, if those aren't actually self-releases -
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The result was Keep - he is clearly notable as one of few people to be excluded from Australia and UK for his activities. There are multiple newspaper and other "straight" news stories (and not merely op.eds and other such polemics). The alleged poor state of the article is not a reason to delete, though it may be a reason to improve the article. The alleged infamy and bad character of the individual concerned is also not a reason to delete.
Metamagician3000 (
talk) 09:48, 23 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Multiple sources from news organisations around the world suggest that Julien Blanc is likely to be notable for some time to come, whether or not his career turns out to be sustainable in the long term. He has had his visa revoked in one country (Australia) after only a few weeks in the spotlight and is now informally blocked from entering several others. The situation in Canada and the UK is currently unclear, but in the UK, it now involves our senior politicians, as it did in Australia. That he should have had such an impact in such a short space of time, with a large number of reliable sources, is unusual.
As an end to the 'pick-up artist' phenomenon is not in sight, contributors to media sources international are likely to refer to Julien Blanc for the foreseeable future, even if campaigners in several countries succeed in him being refused an entry visa. As the two principal issues are the nature of his instruction to men who wish to date/seduce women and whether he is a suitable person to be admitted to overseas jurisdictions, Mr Blanc has passed out of the realms of
WP:BLP1E
I think Julien Blanc's notability has been established.
Philip Cross (
talk) 20:34, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete This is not about notability. Wikipedia is NOT the news. The article is currently a collection of citations of biased news articles from the last two weeks. Please have a look at
Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper.
Paulkroka (
talk) 21:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Nomination already implies that the nominator recommends deletion (unless indicated otherwise), and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line. See
WP:DISCUSSAFD. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 22:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep This two-day old article should be improved rather than deleted. Subject passes
WP:BASIC,
WP:GNG and
WP:ONEEVENT. See
WP:PRESERVE and
WP:NPOV#Achieving neutrality on how to improve the article's neutrality; bias can be addressed by rewriting passages. Wikipedia policy does not object to basing articles on recent news/events. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 22:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep and improve. Per
Philip Cross and
82.136.210.153.
Paulkroka's argument that news articles used as sources in this article are "biased" is not persuasive: as of this writing, the article has 41 sources from news organizations in multiple countries, including such well-regarded news organizations as The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Age — just to name a few — which fulfill the qualifications of being
reliable published sources. That they tell a similar story of Julien Blanc's controversiality is not in itself an indication of bias: Wikipedia's
neutral point of view policy does not require an article to present all possible points of view but rather to present "fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic" — thus, if there are reliable published sources which present a different view of Blanc's controversiality, then the proper avenue is to introduce properly source information from those sources (if any, in fact, exist), rather than simply to decry the supposed "bias" of reliable sources with which an editor personally disagrees.
Paulroka's argument that "this is not about
notability" is also not persuasive. While
Wikipedia is not a newspaper, the involvement of senior government officials in both Australia and the UK indicate not only that Blanc's notability has expanded beyond the
pickup artist "movement" and controversies about its relation to issues of sexual violence and racism, but into the realm of government policy, which is likely to have an effect on government policies in multiple nations for years to come — as is discussed in the source that led me to this article — today's broadcast from the Public Radio International program "The World" —
"Britain debates banning American 'pick-up artist' Julien Blanc from entering the country".
This article could be improved by adding additional biographical information about Julien Blanc to put his activities into some kind of biographical context.
While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I also want to note that user Paulroka appears to have created a Wikipedia account only today, and his
only contributions thus far have been to advocate for deletion of this article. —
Yksin (
talk) 23:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I usually add contribution without an account. I created the account since otherwise I would not have been able to start the call for deletion.
Paulkroka (
talk) 15:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. I think any issues of
one-eventism are over-ridden by the sheer weight and depth of coverage. Added to that is the involvement of political figures in the UK and Australia (and not just low-ranking figures either, Cabinet ministers), which puts him further over the notability threshold.
Dylanfromthenorth (
talk) 23:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Depth of coverage is irrelevant. What matters is whether issues with regard to the person persists. This is not known since the coverage is only recent. Recentism par excellence.
Mootros (
talk) 07:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Extremist activist groups, major news corporations, and politically motivated politicians, are using Julien as a scapegoat, for their own special interest. These special interest include raising political influence by taking down a so called, "international rapist", creating fabricated headlines for increase viewer numbers, creating a reason to financially support extremist activist groups, creating political headlines, drama, the list goes on of why these parties would largely play an active role in accusing Julien. They have extremely skewed the facts leaving a highly negative connotation of who Julien Blac is as a person, evidence used to condemn Julien was taken completely out of its original context, they continue to pursue Julien even after proof of major miss uses in evidence. Wikipedia is about the facts, not information taken from bias media sources that was just copy and pasted. The page of Julien Blanc must be intensely improved upon, or completely deleted due to the bias nature of news sources.
Podikimosky (
talk) 00:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment I moved your comments, Podikimosky, because it is normal to add them in chronological order.
Philip Cross (
talk) 00:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. A lot of claims about "bias" there, but again: all the sources cited for the article meet Wikipedia criteria for
reliable published sources. If there are reliable published sources which present other points of view about Julien Blanc or his methods, or which substantiate your assertions about the "special interest" or motivations of Blanc's critics or of the news media which have been reporting on him, then it would improve the article (in line with Wikipedia policies about
neutral point of view) to add information based on those sources (properly cited). At the moment, though, all I see are unsupported assertions, nor have you cited any Wikipedia policies to support your position. —
Yksin (
talk) 00:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I want to note that user Podikimosky appears to have created a Wikipedia account only today, and his or her
only contributions thus far have been to advocate for deletion of this article. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 10:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Most of this page is biased against Julien, and a majority of the content comes from the past few days. Wikipedia is not a newspaper.
Redflorist (
talk) 00:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Recentism par excellence!
Mootros (
talk) 07:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Notable, albeit for all the wrong reasons.
Deb (
talk) 09:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. While not a likeable figure, who people may not think is needed in a encyclopedia, i must vote keep as is the wide coverage in multiple sources, including Forbes/Time. Plus one of the few if not the only person banned from entering countries for something other then criminal charges/political views. The state of the article can be improved though. Comparable to
Zoe Quinn and her coverage i think.
GuzzyG (
talk) 09:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete The article is heavily biased and reads as though it is a news article written by extremist feminists, as it draws information from news sources, which are deemed to be inaccurate by many. I would vote for the article to be kept if it didn't state all the media bulls*** as fact. They should be stated as controversy. Heavy use of the phrase 'according to' would be appropriate. Otherwise this article has no place in wikipedia. Here are some resources from the other side for people who want to keep the article and make it neutral.
http://g00.se/truth-behind-julien-blanc/ ,
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/551104 ,
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1411/17/nday.04.html Edit: It would be more suitable to create an article for this event, as opposed to a biolgraphy. This article does not meet the guidelines
WP:BLP1E in my opinion. — Preceding
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213.7.112.229 (
talk •
contribs) 10:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC) —
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Comment I moved (and signed) your contribution, 213.7.112.229, because it is normal to add them in chronological order. While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I want to note that editor 213.7.112.229's
only two contributions thus far have been 1 minor edit of the article that is subject of this discussion and 1 edit to advocate for deletion of said article. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 11:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Thanks, I'm not an experienced editor (I've written articles from other IPs, but not much) however I use wikipedia a lot and am aware of the general guidelines for encyclopedia articles and specifically wikipedia, so I feel I have the right to comment on what is wrong with this article. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
213.7.112.229 (
talk •
contribs) 11:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. 213.7.112.229, I signed your follow-up comment. In future, it would be helpful if you'd remember to sign your posts by typing in four tildes in at the end. Thanks. —
Yksin (
talk) 17:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Controversy is not part of what should be in an encyclopedia. It should display facts and objective views, and does not objectively say anything about Julien Blanc. — Preceding
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27.32.51.39 (
talk •
contribs) 11:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC) —
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Comment I moved (and signed) your contribution, 27.32.51.39, because it is normal to add them in chronological order. While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I want to note that editor 27.32.51.39's
only contributions thus far have been to advocate for deletion of this article. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 11:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep The calls for deletion seem to be because the article is one sided and not very good, rather than because the subject is not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Improvement would be a better option.
Stainless316 (
talk) 13:00, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete The only sources are a collection of biased news articles driven by his opponents. Consider:
Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper.
AndySBlair (
talk) 23:21, 17 November 2014 (GMT) -- this pre-struck !vote was actually added by
81.149.136.134 (
talk) 18:22, 18 November 2014 (UTC) -- user AndySBlair doesn`t exist.
Ivanvector (
talk) 00:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Article is a summary of events that have happened in the past few days and biased articles. It is not a true representation of the person and his life and portrays Jullien in a bad light deforming his character. — Preceding
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85.211.96.142 (
talk •
contribs) 20:22, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep and improve - He has been subject of news reports on multiple continents. He is notable enough to warrant an article, even if that notability is negative in nature.
EvergreenFir(talk) Please {{
re}} 20:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
WP:SNOW Keep. Coverage from major news sources on multiple continents. Yes, it's negative coverage; we don't only write about nice people. --
GRuban (
talk) 21:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete This article is based on facts / articles which were taken totally out of context. They slander Julien Blanc and the name of Real Social Dynamics. The article is also extremely biased and offensive against Julien.—
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Dylanfromthenorth (
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Keep. He really is in the news all over the world, unambiguously meeting notability, and there really are a lot of people protesting him, backed up by indisputable primary and secondary sources. That's the end of the story to the question of deletion - the answer must be "no", the article should exist. Now as for content, by all means if people think something's imbalanced, they can be feel free to contribute to the editing process. But it's hardly like there's just been one biased editor dominating the process - there is a collective process underway with many editors. And hey, the more voices, the better the result. :) --
Rei (
talk) 23:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Putative bias is a reason to improve the article, not a rationale for deleting it. The subject clearly meets the
GNG.
-- Rrburke (
talk) 00:10, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. My, but there are a lot of
WP:SPAs here. Subject is clearly notable for his controversial views on the subject of attraction (putting it generously), and this notability is demonstrated by having been barred entry by a country and the target of protests in several others. Issues about neutrality can be solved with editing, but we don't delete articles just because they're about bad people.
Ivanvector (
talk) 00:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
KeepShirley Phelps-Roper, whom I think is a person of similar notability, has an article, so this guy should be notable enough. Don't
WP:DEMOLISH the house while it's still being built.
206.188.87.3 (
talk) 00:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep- Whilst I'm 100% glad this tool's banned from the UK and believe this country's a better place without him ... I shouldn't let my personal opinions interfere with !voting... No matter what I think of him he's still notable (unfortunately!), So I'll have to say Keep. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 22:01, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Subject is clearly notable with multiple coverage in reliable sources. The article is now semi-protected and has been rewritten from a neutral point of view.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk) 06:21, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Clearly notable and subject of widespread coverage. Latest BBC article
here.
Ghmyrtle (
talk) 15:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete He's not famous and his profession is fueling more potential rape cases, by giving out ill advised advise to men about how to 'pick up a women'. How can you possibly give a Wikipedia account to this vile man documenting what he has done, Which in the eyes of many people is wrong, Heck he's even barred from the UK now. Please also consider
Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper.'.
88.111.115.241 (
talk) 15:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
We don't just have articles on nice people I'm afraid; even the bad guys get one if they meet the notability guidelines.
Dylanfromthenorth (
talk) 17:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Thanks for responding, I get what you mean
88.111.115.241 (
talk) 17:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I don't agree with this guy's ideas, either, but I'm fine with him having an article, on the principle that the right way to fight bad information is with good information. —
Steve Summit (
talk) 21:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep meets
WP:GNG per the ref list
Avono (
talk) 15:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
User:Robert5101945added this comment to this discussion's talk page: "Keep Julien Blanc is a character of note, all be it for all the wrong reasons. He has much media interest most negative regarding his abusive approach to women. He promotes this approach to others charging them for his advice. Generally he has a negative attitude toward women. Wiki has many pages relating to the wise and good. I see no reason to delete the opposite
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Keep As one of the few people who've "been banned from the UK", he's clearly notable, even if it's not for reasons we might like. I don't like the man or what he does, but he is clearly worthy of an article. — OwenBlacker (
Talk) 18:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep controversial figure who has received a lot of press coverage in reliable sources, and passes
WP:GNG and
WP:BLP1E. As mentioned above few people get banned from a country for non-criminal reasons.
This is Paul (
talk) 19:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Multiple jurisdictions banning him from performing or from even entering their countries is extremely unusual, usually something reserved for a few terrorists or a few political activists. As this is so unusual, he is clearly notable.--
A bit iffy (
talk) 19:21, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Looks notable enough to me, based on reading the news today. If the
pickup artist and
seduction communities don't have a popular face, they should, and he's likely to be (and stay) it. —
Steve Summit (
talk) 20:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep so long as we are very careful to follow BLP guidelines. The fact that he is singled out for exclusion from several contries is unusual and notable.
Jonathunder (
talk) 20:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep: the visa refusals by themselves show notability. Sceptre(
talk) 00:16, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep: Is notable for being banned from more than one country, without actual criminal convictions. Likely to be referred to in future cases of people being refused visas. All the references to his activities come from reputable sources. Just because some people don't like what this entry says, that is no reason to delete it.
nagoyablue (
talk) 02:03, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep: well sourced with independent reliable sources.
Stuartyeates (
talk) 02:32, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep he is likely to only increase his notoriety for some time and the news stories have generated interest in this topic which is coaching men to date women. At the moment there isn't a lot of public information available and I think this Wiki page will be sought after for information for quite some time to come. — Preceding
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110.175.251.185 (
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Comment I moved (and signed) your contribution, 110.175.251.185, because it is normal to add them in chronological order. While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I want to note that 110.175.251.185 has made
only one edit outside this topic. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 03:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, as the person has received coverage in multiple countries at different times as a result of outrage at his seminars. Passes
WP:GNG and not a
WP:BLP1E case. This keep vote should not be interpreted as approval or endorsement of Blanc or his methods, which I abhor.
Lankiveil(
speak to me) 11:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC).reply
Keep. It is absurd to delete the article about a clearly notable person.
Gui le Roi (
talk) 12:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
KeepSubstantial coverage across at least three continents.
Whatever problems our lords and masters at
Wikipediocracy have with BLPs of the hopefully inconsequential, but per edictWP:Notable, they're going to have to be fixed by some BLP-regulating mechanism other than AfD. By policy, this odious guy is considered notable.
Andy Dingley (
talk) 12:40, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - The article should be improved to meet Wikipedia's standards. This is an important subject and there has been significant media debate and coverage, along with government involvement. That most of the news articles are negative is not relevant.
Wikimandia (
talk) 13:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, clearly notable and has numerous sources. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean the article should be deleted.
Stifle's non-admin account (
talk) 13:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, I wrote a version of this under the Sandbox before the original writer wrote this version. He used some of my work in this page. I say it is a keep for the following reason: meets Wikipedia's notability requirement. It also meets the 3 pillars. From the looks of it, the deletes are mostly because the article seems single sided. However, *all* news mentions about Julien Blanc is single sided. This guy wasn't notable until the event, hence why its single sided. The only notable thing that was pro-Blanc was his apology.
CerealKillerYum (
talk) 14:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. I've done the vast majority of additional editing on the article for the past two days, and have found a couple of
WP:VERIFY sources that are less condemnatory of Blanc. I'm continuing to search for such sources in the interest of
WP:NPOV. Anyone who can help with that please get onto the article's talk page. I urge people to remember this is an encyclopedia, and to leave their opinions about "odiousness" or "admirability" at the coat check stand. —
Yksin (
talk) 18:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Snow keep - he's notable, even though for disreputable things.
ukexpat (
talk) 15:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - I removed many of the biased sources before posting this. Much of the writing still suffers from recentism, but this problem is correctable over time. Overall, I think the article is notable enough to stay.
Connor Behan (
talk) 03:30, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. The article could use the attention of an editor experienced in writing neutral biographies on controversial figures, but I don't see how the notability of this person can be challenged. There's a whole stack of citations from reliable sources. Potential issues related to
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:RECENTISM can be solved through the normal editing process.
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk) 18:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Clearly a notable individual. Article is well sourced and informative. -
FASTILY 02:03, 23 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Clearly notable. Controversial person, subject to protests recently. Expelled and banned from Australia (a decision taken at ministerial level). Well referenced. --
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The result was delete.
Kurykh (
talk) 01:18, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Non-notable minor league player that fails WP:GNG. Recently signed with Braves, but still lacks sources and notability for even a re-direct.
Yankees10 18:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I'm surprised that a guy who was once on the Yankees' 40 man roster doesn't have even the coverage to make it onto a "minor league players" page, but there's nothing to justify it. No prejudice against recreating it if sources do get produced, of course. –
Muboshgu ([[User talk:#top|talk]]) 18:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. I wouldn't necessarily oppose a merge on this one since it wasnt that long ago that he was on the 40 man roster, but there really is no content here at all.. even for a merge you need more on someone other than their name, their handedness and their age.
Spanneraol (
talk) 21:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Exactly my thought. I don't see any pieces from the NY newspapers (NYT, NY Post, Daily News) or AJC. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 00:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails notability since he has not played in the majors. Does not have
WP:RS to establish notability outside of that. --
Jersey92 (
talk) 14:10, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per Muboshgu.
...William 12:02, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete there really is nothing to find for sources.
Mellowed Fillmore (
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Delete per everyone above - Fails GNG. –
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The result was Delete - no real assertion of notability here.
Metamagician3000 (
talk) 07:02, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. I wish the writer well, but this just isn't notable enough for an article. The performance wasn't of any particular note per Wikipedia's guidelines and the play has yet to be published or performed anywhere else and gained the necessary coverage.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Note. There's also a copy in the userspace at
User:Hipersonithink/sandbox. I hate to sound bite-y, but I really doubt that this will pass notability guidelines anywhere in the near future to where it'd really merit being retained in the userspace.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
comment Not one reference in the article. I did find this one source [1] but it does not seem like a reliable source nor does it say much besides the times that it is playing.
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No evidence of notability of the Summer School. References appear to be for the style of singing, not for the school. Edit summary for PROD removal seemed to be a violation of
WP:NOTINHERITED -
David Biddulph (
talk) 18:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - No evidence of notability. –
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Delete - No evidence of notability, and anyway most of the article is about the singing style, not the School.
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Comment - the sources in the article now are of unclear reliability to me: I've never heard of any of them.
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Article created by
WP:SPA, appears to function as
WP:ADVERT and
WP:PROMO -- in addition sourcing is quite poor to
IMDB, primary sources, etc. Appears to be a film director of some non-notable
short films. — Cirt (
talk) 17:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - Cirt hits the nail on the head. Does not meet notability requirements. None of the info in the short bio section is sourced at all. There are 3 imdb and 1 youtube references, which do not meet the
WP:RS requirements. The last 3 are invalid links. One of the Statesman links is also no good... and the other is spotty at best. The best citation is the realbollywood reference, and that only mentions him in passing.
Onel5969 (
talk) 20:34, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete: Agreed with Onel, Cirt covered everything very well. No assertion of notability at this time, and it doesn't appear that there are any unused sourced that can change that.
Sock(tock talk) 14:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete It is over two years since the article was created. The lack of any significant coverage in secondary sources before or, especially, since means that the article fails
WP:GNG. If SB's career takes off in the future the article can always be restored and updated.
MarnetteD|
Talk 00:51, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. An up-and-coming director that has yet to satisfy the GNG. Can be recreated later, when more sources exist.
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The result was keep. Closing per
WP:SNOW. "Speedy incubate" is possibly an option, but the keeps are quite overwhelming here.
Drmies (
talk) 23:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
as much as this event is tragic, article was created on the same day and is a classic case of WP:NOTNEWS.
LibStar (
talk) 17:07, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep 56 deaths, plenty of
coverage. If this happened in London or New York, it would be ITN material. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead 18:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Speedy Keep Not much has changed, it seems, with regards to the users who hate any new event having an article. It is far too early to pull the NOTNEWS article out, and we're talking about an incident that resulted in 56 deaths. That factoid on its own is generally considered enough for notability.
Lukeno94(tell Luke off here) 23:08, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep.
Bloomberg coverage in the article already asserts it is the worst road accident in Pakistan for a year, so it is not merely any accident. There is New York Daily News mention, other. It would be nice to know what is some standard for notability of accidents to get articles included into
Category:Bus accidents in Pakistan (and similar other categories for other countries), but this one accident seems individually notable. A good alternative, however, would be to create
List of Pakistani bus accidents and to include this as one item in it. That could be done separately from this AFD, however, and the article could be merged and redirected by any editor without need for another AFD, just as part of regular editing. --
doncram 23:36, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep as received worldwide coverage, Passes GNG. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 02:15, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
so did Obama's recent visit to Beijing, should we create an article for that too?
LibStar (
talk) 07:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Don't be a
dick you know exactly what I mean!. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 15:00, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Speedy Incubate for two weeks Wikipedia is
not a newspaper, and wp:notability requires that the topic has received attention from the world at large over a period of time. There is no urgency to claim that this topic should be covered as a part of history.
Unscintillating (
talk) 02:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTNEWSPAPER is a policy, and I've added a Wikilink to the !vote to this effect.
Unscintillating (
talk) 00:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. 56 deaths is notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 14:19, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - An incredible amount of coverage satisfying
WP:GNG and to suggest an incident with 56 deaths won't be "enduring" as WP:NOTNEWS indicates is simply willful ignorance. The primary examples of non-notable topics WP:NOTNEWS states are " routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities" which of course this topic is nothing of a sort. A classic example of WP:NOTNEWS being misapplied. --
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Delete - simply fringe, no coverage in RS, COI obviously. I see claims about more Old World alphabets on the FB page - related to
[4]. Love the claim that a circle supposedly found on that stone is the symbol of Ra.
Dougweller (
talk) 17:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
almost a speedy delete no reliable sources, only source provided is Facebook link.
LibStar (
talk) 17:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete on the basis of dubious coherence of the article in its current form and lack of notability. I looked at the, um, article, and most of our mini-stubs are both more intelligible and more substantive than this one.
John Carter (
talk) 17:33, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I couldn't find any reliable sources for this, the existing sources are Facebook the links for which should be removed. I will do some further research and if I turn up any sources I will post them. - -
MrBill3 (
talk) 06:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. I'm particularly amused by the claim of "Cherokee Indian Syllabary engraved," given that this script was only invented in the 1820s. --
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Blatant unsourced advert. Includes zero sources and a lot of promotional language and content.
CorporateM (
Talk) 16:34, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
keep Blatantly false nomination: plenty of sources both in the article now and zero due diligence from the nominator. The language is factual description of the EDA community effort for design tool interoperability. -M.Altenmann
>t 16:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Contrary to nominator's claim, article is reliably sourced and passes
WP:ORG.--
Ddcm8991 (
talk) 20:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - books and industry standards are acceptable sources.
Bearian (
talk) 21:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I'll be in the minority here, but I don't see anything that makes this software or its 'coalition' notable. The few references are reliable, but not strong. The list of links at the bottom looks promotional. Most of the wiki pages listed there have not been updated since 2011, so it isn't clear if this is still a live project. In addition, the text of the article seems to have been taken directly from
[5] which has a copyright notice on it.
WP:COPYVIOLaMona (
talk) 04:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
if it were a dead project, it is still of historical interest, since it made a major noise within EDA industry and attempted to address a real problem. and once again, independent references are abound, but nobody gives a fuck the apathy in wikipedia is on the rise. However a quick google check easily shows there are contributions to the project check shows that the statement "Most of the wiki pages listed there have not been updated" is both an exaggerrating and false: there are only two wikies, and one of them has "recent changes" dated 2014. All other listed webpages also have many updates dated by 2014.
I appreciate efforts to clean wikipedia from unreliable texts created in early days, but guys, if you are not an expert in the particular industry, then please exercise due diligence befor jumping to conclusions. We are not discussing minor pokemon of aspiring pornstarlets; this is an effort of major players in EDA industry. It is sad public don't recognize these names. Here is a quiz: (1) Who manufactures chips for iphones? (11 points) (2) Will such company take part in a bullshit project? (2 points)
Also, copyvio is easily fixable fixed; thanks for checking. this is not some scientific discovery or philosophical visions. -M.Altenmann
>t 16:15, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Thanks for fixing copyvio. If this is a "well-known" project, then it would be a good idea to support that with better sources. Wikipedia is supposed to be verifiable, and one is not required to be an "expert in a particular industry" to know if an article is well-supported. The sources really do not support the above claims, and, to be honest, the article needs some TLC in terms of style and simple clarity. Perhaps one of the enthusiasts here could take that on?
LaMona (
talk) 17:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Which claims and which sources? One is required to be an expert to make a judgement on whether some subject is worth researching for wikipedia. I used to be an enthusiast, but it was 10 years ago. I agree the article is not well supported. But your requirement of "better sources" is kinda strange. A book and a major conference not good enough? I threw in a couple of wrenches merely to halt this afd; I no longer care much to develop the subject. If more deletionists peep in, I will throw in more refs; two per voter-deleter. Otherwise the page is good enough for me: IMO the major asset of wikipedia is cross-linking of information, including interlanguage. The texts themselves 80% suck. -M.Altenmann
>t 03:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - the article needs work, for sure, but a quick book search reveals the topic has the appropriate coverage to deserve an article. I've added a book source for the basic definition to help it on its way.
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The result was delete.
Kurykh (
talk) 01:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Biography with zero notability claims. Should really be speedied as A7, but a menagerie of
SPAs has cropped up to remove any such tags.
Kolbasz (
talk) 14:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
KEEP.
Totally disagree. It is not a C.V., it is a biography of a member of one of the most memorable families in Spain and he is a businessman / sports man.
You can find his name in the database of the Official site of United States Polo Association. uspolo.org (Member search)
Delete No real claims of notabiliy, references aren't really references. Notability doesn't come from being a member of the "Unisted States of American Polo Association". --
AmaryllisGardenertalk 14:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete, not notable; reads like a CV.
Kierzek (
talk) 15:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per everyone above me - Reads more like a CV plus the refereces aren't references - 2 refs are wiki articles, so no evidence of notability –
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Sources used appear to be mostly primary or of very low quality. Company only has 39 employees and does not appear to have any particular claim to notability.
CorporateM (
Talk) 14:14, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not a single one of the sources is reliable by the consensus definition of the word. May merit an article someday, but not today. —
Swpbtalk 15:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result was speedy delete.
WP:CSD#G3 blatant hoax and
WP:CSD#G4 repost of deleted material. I have replaced it with a protected redirect to
The Cantos.
JohnCD (
talk) 14:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The first page of a Google page pretty much tells me that this is a hoax albeit not one blatant enough for G3). The fact that I can find absolutely nothing for this film, despite the article claiming several celebrity appearances by people such as Ke$ha, Scarlett Johansen, and a budget of $400,000,000 is startling.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew 14:09, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment it appeared that this was already AfD'd and speedied yesterday. I was not aware of the previous discussion, so if anyone likes, feel free to tag it as G3. Also, the page would probably need a pinch of
salt.
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The result was Delete.
Randykitty (
talk) 06:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete, as has been done with this sort of article ∞ times before. The topic can never meet POV, and is unencyclopedic almost by definition. —
Swpbtalk 15:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Weak keep: after rewriting as an article about the literature concerning weird laws; see
this Snopes article and the literature cited there.
הסרפד (
call me Hasirpad) 19:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep: This article needs to be developed. Need to improve. --►Cekli829 05:24, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment - It's amusing indeed, but the main problem with the article, even if it did get more items: define what makes a law "unusual"? Should it be an exhaustive list? What could be unusual to one culture may not be unusual in another.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew 07:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I don't see any way an article like this could ever be made encyclopedic. For one thing, an "unusual" law in one place or one culture or one period in history may be perfectly normal in another, as Naruto points out. Plus there is the sampling problem. Right now there is only one "weird law" mentioned, the Carmel dress code; there is also a paragraph about voting restrictions on immigrants but it doesn't explain what is strange or unusual about them. If kept, the article is likely to continue as it is: random paragraphs about laws that somebody somewhere thought were strange. --
MelanieN (
talk) 03:42, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. The topic undeniably gets coverage in reliable sources. For example,
[6],
[7],
[8], and
[9]. However,
this article from the Wall Street Journal calls a gun control law "unusual". This highlights the problematic nature of the topic: nobody would consider a standard gun control law to be "unusual" in the sense of "walking backward on Sunday is illegal on Main Street from 6pm to midnight". In light of that, I would agree that any article based on this topic is likely to degenerate into an indiscriminate list of examples selected through editor bias. However, I'm unwilling to outright say that it should be deleted just because it's a bad idea.
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk) 20:20, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I would propose to merge this with another article,
Dumb laws. Both articles are in deplorable state, but clearly the topic gets attention and coverage from secondary sources, so it warrants an article on WP. The title "unsual laws" might be better than "dumb laws", but in any case multiple articles about such similar topics should be merged. If the decision is to merge, I am willing to do a cleanup of the combined articles to bring it to an at least decent, readable state.--
Reinoutr (
talk) 13:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Better yet,
Dumb laws should also be nominated for deletion. It has the same problems as the current one, including WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Only a few "dumb laws" are mentioned (including some which are mischaracterized and others which are myths), and the references are mostly to non-reliable sources (such as dumblaws.com, which is basically advertising for a law firm), and the article title is POV/not encyclopedic, and, and, and. --
MelanieN (
talk) 15:29, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, merging the "dumb laws" content with this one. (Or rather, since there is so little content in this article compared to the Dumb Laws one, just rename the other one with this article's title and keep). As for the main basis of many of the objections and the delete opinions, laws are the product of man - so you might as well say that ALL laws are specific to one place or one culture or one period in history and so should be excluded. However, the general concept of having civil and criminal and corporate laws is firmly established in the Western world, and so the perception of what the Western World thinks of as "unusual" in relation to ITS established concept is a valid one. And of course unusual or bizarre or laughable or extreme laws have been written about in numerous sources. As for the other main objection - if the basis for a law's inclusion in this article is that a source has to have written about the law in a way that points out its unusual or extreme nature, then editor bias will be minimized.
Tiptoethrutheminefield (
talk) 16:33, 26 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Follow-up: I hope this doesn't veer too off-topic for AfD, but I went ahead and created
Draft:List of unusual laws and seeded it with just a couple examples. Some comments on the talk page to start a discussion about scope and sourcing requirements. --— Rhododendritestalk \\ 22:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The problem is when another editor says, "I don't think they are unusual". Then there is an inherent OR issue that can't really be resolved because of the essentially subjective nature of the article title.
Fenix down (
talk) 22:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)reply
What editors think is irrelevant. What matters is what reliable sources think.
James500 (
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A list of unusual laws is perfectly legitimate provided, in each case, there is a reliable source that expressly calls the enactment or rule of law in question "unusual" or some close synonym. Consensus for this was established during a discussion at the "village pump" forum concerning the list of weird buildings.
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Article about a German male model, this is entirely a biography created from his website, online agency profiles and non-reliable fansites. He is founder and editor of the Kaltblut magazine, but I can't find any significant, reliable coverage about him on Google.de - fails WP:GNG.
Sionk (
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Delete. BLPs especially need reliable sources, and this has none. —
Swpbtalk 15:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. If there's notability, then it's not apparent from the article. (And ditto for the related "
Unfaithful (2009 film)".) --
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A very junior level administrative service official. Has no references. Fails WP:GNG
Uncletomwood (
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Delete per nom. Just a minor bureaucrat.
Clarityfiend (
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Delete Fails
WP:GNG. I don't even see his name mentioned in the only reference's URL. So, he might not be what the article says he is either. --
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The result was delete.
Kurykh (
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Originally deleted as a PROD and re-created by an editor who, based on his username, is likely a band member. No evidence of notability, fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NBAND.
GiantSnowman 13:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Sorry, but I can't see anything in the article that says this band is anything more than the typical
WP:GARAGE band at this time, let alone sources proving otherwise.
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The result was delete.
Kurykh (
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Appears to be a neologism without notability. The article has plenty of references, but many of them don't mention "Orange technology" and of those that do few appear to be independent from professor Jhing-Fa and his university. AfD'd once before.
Sjö (
talk) 13:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)reply
There is concept that is not limited to one university (National Cheng Kung Univeristy, Taiwan) only. The second annual conference already took place in Xian, China (please search "ICOT 2014" in Google).
Delete. Apart from some very poorly cited papers by Wang et al., I'm not seeing any coverage of this
WP:NEO in any
WP:RS. I also see that this is a recreation of a
previously deleted article. --
120.17.108.248 (
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Reply. The language should not be the key criterion to delete articles in Wiki. If it is convenient for you to search the orange technology in Traditional Chinese, you will find many citations. My humble opinion is English citations may be not the only criterion to judge whether an article is
WP:NEO, and so is the area (i.e., countries). The concept is formed in Taiwan, as people though aging population deserves more attention.
Regarding the re-creation of the deletion of the previous page, that is because the concept itself is not wrong. Different wiki volunteers have different opinions. Some allow the article to be reserved. As time changes, some of new wiki volunteers raise this issue again. — Preceding
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Keep, per reviewing links posted by the anon.--Esprit15d •
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Comment: This
google search may also provide more guidance.--Esprit15d •
talk •
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Comment. None of those Google hits are relevant to the topic of the article -- they are simply unrelated uses of the phrase. --
120.21.78.131 (
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No offense, but that's just insulting to me. Of what benefit would it be to me (or anyone, really) to just post links to unrelated to the topic? I posted those links with the expectation and HOPE that someone would click on them to get more information on the topic. If I didn't know better, I would think you were joking.--Esprit15d •
talk •
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What possible reason could you have to post links to companies that just happen to have "Orange Technology" in their name? Because that's what you did. The top 40 Google hits on your search were all of that nature. As far as I'm concerned, the absence of this topic in that list of Google hits suggests lack of notability more than anything else. --
120.23.81.27 (
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Confirmed. The Google hits that search brings up are utterly unrelated to the aubject of the article.
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Delete - the concerns raised in the previous AFD have not been addressed - a Google Scholar search and the references provided still demonstrate that the term is primarily used by the academic who created it. Furthermore, the
talkpage of the creator clearly demonstrates an interest in promoting the term, even when it goes against the feelings of the editing community. I think
this source puts it best: "Prof. Jhing-Fa Wang Promotes Orange Technology".
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 10:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - per nom and Suriel1981.
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The result was keep. Good discussion, with the weight of consensus leaning towards keeping the article. Mojo Hand(
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There's no indication as to why this person is notable. Fails
WP:GNG. References are written by the source - although they're not even backing up anything since 'ref' tags weren't used. Possible self promotion/autobiography. st170etalk 02:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. The appropriate guidelines are
WP:NACADEMICS. In this case you can search in
Google Scholar to find a considerable number of academic publications, including works cited more than 100 times. So the notability requirements are satisfied easily.
Zerotalk 23:33, 4 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete As per the
WP:NACADEMICS guidelines, a "considerable number of articles" is not one of the criteria. The criteria are having made a significant impact on their field, above and beyond normal academic research. Therefore one would need to find verifiable resources that the person has been so designated based on awards, special appointments, or the statements of their colleagues. The main criterion is "effect on a field." I don't see that here.
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Keep - I see lots of citations to his articles on Google scholar - literally hundreds of times. His top article was cited over 500 times. How could that not have an effect?
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Keep The basic criterion for an academic being an authority in his subject is the extent to which others use his work, andthis is measured roughly by the number of citations. Most of the other facets of WP:PROF, such as awards, are just shortcuts to this. DGG (
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Correct, and that is stated explicitly in notes on
WP:NACADEMIC. In addition, his book on language education cited over 500 times indicates success on criterion 4 as well.
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Comment. There's no point in this resisting. Notability was the only reason provided for deletion, but the criteria at
WP:NACADEMIC are met easily.
Zerotalk 10:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Hi
User:Zero0000: Have you considered the opinion of
User:LaMona? Perhaps they will revisit the discussion, if they receive notification per their user name being linked in my comment here.
NorthAmerica1000 18:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Yes, but the specific notes at
WP:NACADEMIC say "The most typical way of satisfying Criterion 1 is to show that the academic has been an author of highly cited academic work – either several extremely highly cited scholarly publications or a substantial number of scholarly publications with significant citation rates." He has over 1000 citations, the majority apparently in academic sources. A large number of serious books on second language acquisition cite his work (search for his name at google books). He isn't Albert Einstein, but he is notable enough for an article.
Zerotalk 21:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Zero Can you spell out his impact on the field? Or point to others who do? Also note that of the 1000 citations, over half are to what appears to be a textbook. If that book, though, changed somehow the course of linguistics, then we have notability. Being cited 500+ times isn't itself proof of notability. I was able to find a work in the field cited over 9,000 times (and no, it's not by Chomsky - his works are cited tens of thousands of times). The upshot is that it's hard to be quantitative about academic achievement, which is why you have to find inventions, awards, etc.
LaMona (
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Keep His co-authored book has received significant reviews in TESOL Quarterly, Language in Society, and the Modern Language Journal, and has therefore "...played a major role in co-creating .... a significant or well-known work .... that has been the subject of ... multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." per
WP:AUTHOR 3. I am not actually convinced by the argument based on pure citation counts vs. PROF 1, particularly as typically measured by
h-index, but I think AUTHOR 3 suffices. --
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The result was Speedy delete G4 as re-created content. This AfD is not a place to challenge the outcome of previous deletion discussion about nearly identical article. Note that the article history came convoluted due to page move during this AfD and this was also (accidentally) deleted as CSD G8 as main author blanked it, so please be careful if reviewing the logs.
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Not Notable - not every car collector is notable. Further, this article was previously voted to be deleted (check the prior nomination) therefore this would also qualify for deletion as a previously deleted article. I can't tell if the text is the same, since I can't see the deleted article, but I doubt any text was changed. KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 20:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC)reply
keep there's plenty of hits on google and he is unique in his ability and deliverance in such car collections, especially at his age.
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Keep This is a translation of the German article, with the same references. However, I can find third-party references about the organization and its journal,
[11][12].
From my reading this is a professional/research organization in good standing; however, the article should be marked as needing references.
LaMona (
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Keep. This is a notable society publishing a high-impact value journal. As to the text, massive rewriting is undoubtedly required.
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Keep. As pointed out before: It is a notable scientific society. It is publishing a scientific journal with an impact factor, therefore the journal itself is notable. --
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The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 16:26, 23 November 2014 (UTC)reply
*Comment - I have no clue what counts as notability in names. I did find passing mentions in several books (
1,
2,
3), etymological dictionaries mostly.
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Keep as a surname page. There are three people who are sufficiently notable, as well as several others of questionable suitability, one or more of whom may will show up for Afd. I've removed some claims, e.g. no Jacox is listed as a signer of the Declaration of Independence,
[13] nor can I find anything that says William Jacox was called "The Father of the Navy". Also, rename as
Jacox and add a hatnote for
Jacox, West Virginia and possibly Jacox Elementary School in the
Norfolk Public Schools.
Clarityfiend (
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Keep - This is actually better than the majority of "surname" articles, having some cited background information. Clarityfiend's editing has cut out the dross. Re: the nominator's concerns, it seems to be widely accepted that "surname" pages like this are allowable, providing any information is cited and any entries in the name list link to a valid article.
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A notable (?) wikipedian / academician / minor politician biography. It has next to no references, certainly nothing to suggest the subject got any attention from media for any of his roles. Google Scholar profile at
[14] does not seem, I believe, to warrant passing
Wikipedia:Notability (academics), but there are better experts than me who can comment on this. Being a member of a (minor) party certainly is not enough to make him pass the "elected politicians/officeholders" threshold.
Ego Hunter (
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Strong Keep — A quick look at the
German version of this biography shows many additional sources and seem to clearly indicate
notability. I don't speak German but I'm under the impression that
Die Zeit,
Der Spiegel, and
Cicero (magazine) are among the most reliable sources in the German language and are globally recognized. Based on my read of the automatic translations, it sure reads like all three have published profiles and/or interviews with the subject. I've added these references to the article. The English article was in a bad shape, but a simple look at the German version would have shown that it could be improved and kept.
Ego Hunter is right that this probably does not meet
WP:PROF#1 but clearly does meet the
WP:GNG.
This nomination is by an acknowledged
WP:SOCKWP:SPA created to nominate biographies of Wikipedians and Wikimedians for deletion. I've detailed some reasons for concern on
the nominator's talk page and, after their pattern of editing was recognized, the nominator has admitted and defended their campaign and use of a
WP:SOCK on their
user page. So far, 5/5 closed AfDs by this nom have been decisions to keep and several have trivially uncovered reliable sources, major awards, etc. Because I've seen no evidence that this nominator is following
WP:BEFORE, this smells me to as
WP:POINTy behavior and I think this is a borderline speedy keep under
WP:SK#2b. —mako๛ 05:29, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. If we have sufficient
WP:GNG notability then we don't need
WP:PROF. The Zeit story doesn't really have much in-depth coverage of the subject — it is more an interview with him about something else — but the Spiegel profile is convincing. And the Taz and Cicero pieces seem nontrivial enough in their coverage of the subject (and his blog) that I think we have the "multiple sources" part of GNG. —
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Article about a sculptor sourced only to an online CV. I can't see any independent news coverage about him. Speedy deletion template was removed with no explanation. Fails
WP:GNG and
WP:ARTIST as far as I can see.
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Keep I added some more info and references. I did find an art dealer's catalog where one of his sculptures was listed at a price of 20K-30K pounds, which seems considerable, but I wasn't sure it would be a viable reference.
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Keep - Seems to meet
WP:ARTIST 4: "The person's work... has become a significant monument" due to creating "Armagh City's first commissioned public artwork" (per the BBC). Has created several other publicly-displayed sculptures too, as evidenced by the article. It's a little borderline, but I'm inclined to favour retention in this case.
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The result was Delete. Despite the small amount of participation in the discussion, there is a clear consensus to delete, and it is not necessary to let it run for a full second week as the article qualifies for
A7 speedy deletion anyway. The editor who uses the pseudonym "
JamesBWatson" (
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Delete. My search for sources yielded nothing to suggest this musician meets the notability guidelines set out either
WP:MUSIC or
WP:GNG.
Dylanfromthenorth (
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Comment. Creator of article has a username that implies affiliation. --
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No indication of what makes her notable - she is just another prison guard. If there was something she was infamous for I would change my mind
Gbawden (
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Delete, perhaps speedily. Would have tagged it as such if you hadn't posted it here. Lots of people were involved in WW2; very few of them need an article. The fact that she is/was a female guard in WW2 is irrelevant and doesn't itself confer any notability. Deadbeef 07:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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1) Incorrect spelling of name, 2) no other Joshua B. Boltons on English Wikipedia (note we have a
Josh Bolton but with the middle initial W). Completely unnecessary would-be dab page.
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Delete as useless. Deadbeef 07:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete useless dab. No other Joshua B Bolten/Boltons on here. --
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Recently tagged as a hoax, I agree given lack of RS coverage (except for
[15], but even if they exist most of the information in the article appears to have been made up). The "smoking gun" here characterizing this as a hoax is that almost all Google results are Wikipedia mirrors. There's apparently also a business in Australia called Zarzov Brothers
[16] which appears to be unrelated to these "radio hosts".
Everymorningtalk to me 04:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. If it can't be established that it's not a hoax, it's clearly gotta go. —
Swpbtalk 15:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete not notable--
Mevagiss (
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Delete - no significant coverage to prove notability. Note that these are common joke names used by some
amateur Aussie comedians - Blewy Zarzoff = Blew his arse off, Bernie Zarzoff = Burnt his arse off, and plenty more brothers with similar bad puns for names.
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Non notable company, and promotional article. The refs, although some are in usually reliable places, seem to amount to well-placed slightly disguised PR. DGG (
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Delete per arguments of Piotrus and Oiyarbepsy. Sources connected to the subject count for nothing when trying to establish notability, and the indication of paid editing is disturbing. —
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The result was delete--
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Although there are 21 citations, almost all of them are to the article-subject's website, blogs, forums and other low-quality sources.
This source looks to be in German maybe? I have skimmed it and the only mention of Himezawa appears to be in the caption of the image.
CorporateM (
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Delete. The reliability of the sources is very poor; I am not seeing anything from mainstream sources - blogs, primary sources, etc. At best, it's the "too soon", at worst it's another vanity piece of a social media wannabe-star. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Delete Nothing in the article seems to rise to the level of RS. I tried a Google.de search and all I found were also non-reliable or self-generated sources (aside from a notice some have been removed under the Right to be Forgotten thing). It looks like this person is known in a rather small niche and has not had any significant coverage in mainstream media. §
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The result was delete.
Wizardman 03:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Non notable minor league player. Previous afd closed as keep due to the old guidelines saying his playing in Venezuela was notable.. No longer the case.
Spanneraol (
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Delete 36 year old who had a decently long, but not notable, playing career. –
Muboshgu (
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Keep This is the guy I was thinking of when I said participation in the Caribbean Series had been rationale to keep. Who knew it was three years old. Anyway, I'm going to apply a little flex to WP:BASE/N and throw a keep his way, but I fully anticipate being the only keep here.
Alex (
talk) 19:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
That was also from before the guidelines were changed and tightened.. I dont think the "national team" qualifier was in there previously. And like i said before, that Caribbean Series (like the asian series) is a club level competition that does not involve national teams so it doesnt meet the requirements of WP:BASE/N.
Spanneraol (
talk) 19:44, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
And as I said before, guidelines are guidelines which means they have flexibility.
Alex (
talk) 20:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Caribbean Series doesn't count for BASE/N, and nor should it. This person has no sourcing, and your reasoning has no logic. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 20:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Today I flushed a public toilet that someone hadn't flushed earlier. Constantly telling people they're wrong and that they make no sense and what they say has no logic to it makes just as much sense as what I just said. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make you right.
Alex (
talk) 02:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
He also has a couple other unique/semi-notable things going for him: He was suspended for steroids and he spent 4 years at Triple-A. I found these links for those interested:
[17],
[18],
[19],
[20].
Alex (
talk) 07:45, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete not notable despite Caribbean Series.--
Yankees10 22:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete does not meet notability--
Mevagiss (
talk) 21:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete not notable despite Caribbean Series.
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Weak Delete Nine-year minor league veteran, three years at Triple-A, starting pitcher. You'd think he'd have at least some coverage. But there wasn't a ton. Still, I dredged up enough to merit a weak delete, rather than an outright 'delete':
[21],
[22],
[23],
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The result was Delete.
Michig (
talk) 07:47, 24 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete not notable.--
Yankees10 02:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. BLP with no RS, and no more notability than the last time it was deleted. Salt if recreated again. —
Swpbtalk 15:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete So Alex recreated this based on a deleted article, using only his BR page as a source. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 15:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Pretty much, if you're a reliever in the minors, you're probably not going to get too much action in the majors. Or any coverage, anywhere.
Alex (
talk) 05:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
(
edit conflict)Delete To be fair to Alex, he was the one who nominated this article for deletion the first time. I doubt he was trying to be defiant by re-creating it. Nevertheless, the article is an effectively unsourced BLP about a minor leaguer who's never played above AA. Google does not indicate that Casilla could pass GNG.
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The result was Delete.
Randykitty (
talk) 06:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)reply
keep it is true that the article was written but a paid editor but it has now been well worked over and the person has sufficient notability. article is fine.
Jytdog (
talk) 00:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
TLDR and not appropriate
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In response to this nomination for deletion, i would like to note that although i am a paid editor, the article is not promotional because it is written factually and in compliance with Wikipedia rules for neutrality. Secondly, the subject complies with the rules for notability
WP:MUSICBIO as follows:
1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries YES, Khalilah fulfils this criteria as she has been featured in multiple Caribbean newspapers[2] and has been on the cover of 2 Caribbean Magazines; Jus Jah [3] and on L3 Magazine[4]
2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart [5]
7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city: YES She has been recognized as the new face of roots reggae and is the current face of YEROC eyewear [6], [7]
8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award: Khalilah Rose has been nominated for 5 Linkage Reggae Music Awards and won 1 [8][9]
10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc YES Khalilah Rose's song was used in a Law and Order episode[10]
According to Wikipedia
WP:MUSICBIO "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria"
As i have just proven, Khalilah Rose more than meets just 1 of the criteria and as such should not be the subject of a nomination for deletion. Thank you
Lilianarice (
talk) 00:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment I think the "logic" of the person who was paid to create this article is questionable. For example, there has been no single on a national music chart. There was a single on a specialized chart for one radio station. There is no evidence that she is the most prominent representative of anything. There is no evidence that the Linkage Reggae Music Award is major. Also, there is no reliable evidence that a song was included in Law & Order, and just being brief incidental music rather than a theme song or a performance would not satisfy
WP:MUSICBIO. I am just getting started. This is the problem with paid editors, they create extra work for the unpaid editors, in this case by distorting reality to align with their financial incentives.
Logical Cowboy (
talk) 01:17, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
very very unhelpful. hatting
Jytdog (
talk) 01:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I apologize for my ignorance, i thought the idea of this project was for all users to respond and show proof for keeping the article. My first comment was tagged as
WP: TLDR I have re-written this and reduced the words. 1. YES, Khalilah fulfills the criteria of notability as she has been featured in multiple Caribbean newspapers [1]
2. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city: YES She has signed on to represent YEROC Eyewear [2], [3]
3. Has won or been nominated for a major music award: Khalilah Rose has been nominated for 5 Linkage Reggae Music Awards and won 1 [4][5] Thanks
Lilianarice (
talk) 02:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete as promo crap that belongs elsewhere - There's plenty of ways to "advertise" a singer and this sure as hell isn't one of them. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 03:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Borderline What I've found so far: The Music Industry Achievers award is a joke, with a website allowing you to place votes when voting ended in may, and they actually cancelled their 2014 awards program, something respectable shows only do in emergencies. I can't find an online presences for New York Reggae Awards or Linkage Music Awards, aside from some YouTube clips of the latter, and it seems odd for any kind of high profile award not to have its own website, which indicates to me that these awards are not high profile. The primary source, the Jamaican Star, describes her as an up-and-coming artist, and not even a household name in Jamaica. The 2011 Gleaner reference is similar, more of a human interest story. The 2013 Gleaner describes her as reaching number one on some radio charts in Argentina, so a decent notability claim. The Vision newspaper is an interview, so it doesn't speak to notability either way. So, I'm on the fence, a very borderline case. Give it a couple years, and she'll probably meet notability, but I don't think she's quite there yet.
Oiyarbepsy (
talk) 04:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - I'm perhaps not as convinced as my colleague
Jytdog but I can see where he's coming from. At the end of the day, though, this is just promotional nonsense, dressed up as a Wikipedia article. All of the biographical information is from a single local newspaper article of unknown provenance (without attribution) which, as pointed out above, describes her as "up-and-coming". If you're up-and-coming in your own backyard, you're unlikely to be notable to the extent that you'll meet our inclusion criteria. Gleaner is the Star with a different name (same company) - they are one source. I'm not convinced by any of the "awards". At the end of the day, this seems like an attempt to promote the subject rather than to build a Wikipedia article based on significant coverage from legitimate sources. I'm probably with
Oiyarbepsy here - just
WP:TOOSOON. St★lwart111 06:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete promotional article by promotional editor who is continuing her promotional campaign here (and attempting a canvassing campaign as well). For example, there has been no single on a national music chart. There was a single on a specialized chart for one radio station. There is no evidence that she is the most prominent representative of anything. There is no evidence that the Linkage Reggae Music Award is major. Also, there is no reliable evidence that a song was included in Law & Order, and just being brief incidental music rather than a theme song or a performance would not satisfy
WP:MUSICBIO.
Logical Cowboy (
talk) 13:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep I have not tried any canvassing campaign, i sent out a neutral invitation to those that edited the article so they could chime in their views. I understand your angst against me given that i misunderstood your "payment joke" as well as the vehement objections to paid editors however please do not misrepresent me in this and please judge the article on its own merits. The artist has been covered in both the Jamaica
Gleaner and the
The Jamaica Observer which are the country's oldest and second oldest national Publications. Other newspapers where she has been published like on the Jamaica Star are also owned by the Gleaner company so have that credibility. They are all legitimate sources given that they are the country's top newspapers. Additionally as the article i sourced shows, the artist has signed on to represent YEROC Eye-wear which is a reputable brand ref>
http://jamaica-star.com/thestar/20130308/ent/ent5.html</ref>, [6] so yes she is a prominent representative of something Thank you
Lilianarice (
talk) 15:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete; while this article lacks reliable sources and general notability, this is also very one-sided and biased, as well as promotional.
Epicgenius (
talk) 21:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. Putting the alleged paid editing aside, the coverage from Jamaica's two major national newspapers is probably enough to satisfy
WP:GNG. In addition to the sources cited in the article, there are also these two:
[25],
[26]. --
Michig (
talk) 07:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete paid spam of the absolute worst kind. Wikipedia is not a means of advertising.
Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Despite some concerns about the paid editing, the artist seems to meet the WP criteria defined in
WP:MUSICBIO. There is multiple coverage of the artist in secondary sources and the music has received significant attention. The fact that she, or the newspapers in which she is mentioned, are not so much known amongst the mostly western public editing WP should not be of influence. --
Reinoutr (
talk) 13:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Even the sources given
[27] clearly state Rose is not yet a household name in Jamaica and another describes as rising .As pointed out by
Oiyarbepsy the awards are not from a major or reputed organization.She clearly fails
WP:GNG and
WP:MUSICBIO now even at best it is
WP:TOOSOON.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
talk) 13:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Fair enough, but in full, the source states "Although Rose is not yet a household name in Jamaica, her music has spread far beyond the shores of her island home. As a result, she has made numerous appearances on events in Europe, Africa, Brazil, Israel and North America.". I can see your point, but I am giving this one the benefit of the doubt for now. --
Reinoutr (
talk) 16:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I had searched but could not find Reliable source about her Europe, South Africa, Brazil, Israel and North America Media about her all sources are Jamaican and even they only state she is a rising or
upcoming singer and hence not notable at present .Anyway I leave to the closer.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
talk) 16:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result was Delete.
Michig (
talk) 07:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment: as far as I can see, the paid editor
(Lilianarice) has made 3 edits to the article, I'd hardly describe her as the 'article writer'. Most of the time she requested the edits on the article talkpage and another editor did the work, which is pretty much by the book.
Dylanfromthenorth (
talk) 00:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - Regardless of paid editing issues, the current sources are very weak, and if better sources are out there, I couldn't find them.
Grayfell (
talk) 01:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Weak Keep Yes, big COI problem. I've taken a lot of hype out of the article. I think the article subject does, just barely, pass
WP:MUSICBIO, with two recordings on a major, or at least reasonably established, label. AllMusic verifies those recordings. He did place in a major music competition, again, just barely (score 7.00, cutoff 7.00). Close call. This is classical; everything is smaller and lower-key than in pop.
John Nagle (
talk) 01:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment:In response to this nomination for deletion, the article does NOT fail
WP:MUSICBIO because the rules are that A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria. Carmine Miranda does successfully meet those criteria in that:
1. He has been published 2 times in Fanfare Magazine [
BACH: Six Cello SuitesFanfare Magazine Issue 36:5 (May/June 2013) May 1, 2013] which meets rule # 1: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works. Unfortunately you have to pay in order to access the articles however you can also read them on the artist's website for free.
Once again, i reiterated in regards to this competition that it is scored from 1 to 10 and the artists are judged individually to assess their skill. So a 7.0 is not "barely" making it when you consider that it merits an awards and many walked away with only mentions for participation. I only ended up editing the article after declaring COI because
John Nagle wrote that he placed last in the competition which was not true or neutral These cited references should show you that the subject Carmine Miranda does fulfill notability requirements. Thank you
Lilianarice (
talk) 01:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Sorry don't mean to keep commenting. Just want to provide more sources since
Grayfell said he couldn't find any. Here are articles were Carmines's work has been reviewed or interviewed[
Have Cello, Will Travel: A Chat with Carmine MirandaSeen and Heard International May 4, 2014]. Music in Cincinatti has done several articles of Carmine's work.
[28][29][30]. Lastly Music web also reviewed his latest album.
[31]. Please understand that the classical music scene is not as big as pop music and for cellist even more so. However, given this, Carmine does meet the notability requirements and his article can continue to be improved upon with time as he does more work. Thank you
Lilianarice (
talk) 01:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Some of those might be usable, but most of them seem like
Wikipedia:Bombardment. I didn't say I couldn't find any sources, I said I couldn't find any that were better than what's already there, which is still mostly true. Musicincincinnati.com appears to be a
blog with one author and no editorial oversight. Allmusic is a routine listing which fails to establish notability. Are those labels classified as major? Maybe, but I think that's up for debate. Fanfare is significant but I'm not sure it's important enough to trump the article's other problems. Still, it's the only source that causes any second doubts. Neither Seen and Heard International, nor Musicweb International appear to me to be
WP:RS.
Grayfell (
talk) 02:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete as promo crap that belongs elsewhere - There's plenty of ways to "advertise" a singer and this sure as hell isn't one of them. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 03:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per Greyfell's analysis of sources and despite Lilianarice's longwinded (paid) promotionalism on this page. I would add that one of the main sources, from RMTV, is
WP:UGC "based soley upon the information submitted to us by the artists and their representatives."
Logical Cowboy (
talk) 03:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - despite the proponent's claims to the contrary, the article is very poorly sourced; a combination of local blog-style "my favourite song" type stuff and passing mentions of the subject in list of things that aren't enough to substantiate notability. The editor in question needs to stop editing articles where she has a conflict of interest. It isn't working. St★lwart111 06:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. I would like to note that as the page stands right now i haven't really been able to make improvements in its "promotional" content or lack of sources. I only was able to add the new album and change the IBLA competition wording but couldn't do more since i have COI. I would like to work on improving the page and make it non-promotional as well as to add other citations such as the review by Naxos of America
[32], and the one by Cleveland Talent Magazine
[33]Lilianarice (
talk) 10:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Don't bother - more un-attributed user-generated content and promotional advertising. I don't think either would be considered a
reliable source. St★lwart111 11:19, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Lack of
WP:RS for this article. --
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Delete - Most if not all sources there are blog-type material, Other than those listed I can't find any shred of notability. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 02:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Easily fails
WP:NACTOR at this point. No
WP:RS to indicate otherwise. "a promising future" ==
WP:TOOSOON... --
Jersey92 (
talk) 14:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Don't delete. None of these citations are blogs. The New York Times, Amazon, Local Paper, IMDB. This page should be kept. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
50.75.213.10 (
talk •
contribs)
IMDb is a database that lists (or tries to list) everyone who's ever appeared on screen, no matter how insignificant their part is. Moreover, it's considered unreliable since most content is user-submitted. The NYTimes link is useless since it's basically a page saying "we at the NYTimes have no idea who Kaitlyn Wylde is, though we see that she's listed at the All Movie Guide". As for the Amazon link, the biographical section is user-submitted so it doesn't count as third-party, reliable coverage which is
what we're looking for.
Pichpich (
talk) 15:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete: What I'm seeing at IMDB is an obscure starlet with a handful of "Young Woman"/"Waitress"/uncredited bit parts. Just being on IMDB means nothing; my brother-in-law, who worked as an extra on a handful of films, has an IMDB page. Having a few pages published out of a Kindle bucketshop isn't impressive either: the sales rank on Kindle of her poetry pamphlet doesn't crack Amazon's top hundred thousand.Nha Trang 22:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Besides the above, it was created by an editor with a likely
conflict of interest if "TC Books" is "Thought Catalog".
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk) 17:49, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. What notability there might be is not apparent. --
Hoary (
talk) 11:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete The New York Times
source doesn't say anything about her. --
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Unable to find any coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject of this unsourced
BLP, does not appear to meet
GNG or
ANYBIO. Would have used BLP PROD but too old. J04n(
talk page) 23:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I found a few passing mentions on Google Books, but nothing significant enough to meet GNG.
Sarahj2107 (
talk) 08:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Makes no strong claim of
notability, and cites exactly zero
reliable sources. I especially got a great laugh out of the way this article highlights the fact that "she is a recipient of the Canadian Commemorative Medal" as if that meant something — for the record, that was a one-off program of community volunteer recognition which the Canadian government undertook in 1992 to mark Canada's 125th anniversary, for which anybody could send anybody's name to their local MP and then that second anybody, of which there were tens of thousands nationwide and I was one of them, would get a medallion and a "thank you for being involved in your community" form letter. Sure, it's a nice thing to have, but it doesn't mean you've earned a place in an encyclopedia — and unfortunately, nothing else here means that either.
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A
fringe theory on
Melchizedek which is only attested to by fringe proponents and therefore fails our notability criterion for articles about fringe theories. (See
WP:FRIND.)
jps (
talk) 21:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - per nom, and as failing due to
WP:FORK. This is the sort of article that is likely to become the repository of trivia and edit warring, which we don't need right now.
Bearian (
talk) 21:28, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete A clear promotion of utterly non-notable fringe beliefs. No RS sources. Article fails
WP:V. -
Ad Orientem (
talk) 22:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I created this article in 2011, but only to remove such fringe material from the important article
Melchizedek. Please note that also section
Melchizedek#The Urantia Book of Article
Melchizedek shall be deleted.
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The result was delete all.
Secretaccount 19:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm relatively confident that individual bus stops aren't
notable unless there's a corner of Wikipedia notability policy I'm missing.
Sam Walton (
talk) 21:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment: The closing admin should take a look at the rest of the articles created by
Amss125 after this AfD was started.
Sam Walton (
talk) 11:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Speedy Content is to the effect of, "This is a bus stop in Norway" and no refs ~
R.
T.
G 21:40, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Speedy. Non-notable.
Sjö (
talk) 21:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete all I'm sorry the author has gone to some much work on these, but what's next? Every single bus stop in London, NYC and Tokyo? for starters?
ubiquity (
talk) 22:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete the lot - I fail to see the point in these at all!, I appreciate some stops may be notable & what not but these sure as hell aren't. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 02:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Snow delete all. I can't think of a situation where any of these pages could be considered notable; this is pure
WP:INDISCRIMINATE stuff. Deadbeef 02:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Not important, you can't write much about them and they're not notable.
Mynameisnotdave (
talk/
contribs) 17:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Snow Delete all per every comment above. In addition these articles appear to fail the often overlooked requirement
that stub articles should have some reasonable hope of expansion into encyclopedic articles. I can't see that here. -
Ad Orientem (
talk) 23:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete all. No indication of notability. --
Kinut/c 07:43, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete all - Not notable at all —
BranStark (
talk) 15:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete all, we don't do bus stops.
Geschichte (
talk) 22:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete 'em Shame so much work has apparently gone into them, but the fact of a bus stop's existence does not (unlike a place or a secondary school) make it notable. Cheers, LindsayHello 04:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Members of minor sports leagues are not inherently notable, and no other assertion of notability is made. Once source, not reliable. —
Swpbtalk 20:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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NorthAmerica1000 20:55, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - he has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails
WP:NSPORT and
WP:GNG.
Sir Sputnik (
talk) 21:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - Fails
WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a
fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy
GNG. Additionally nothing to indicate any achievements during high school / college to satisfy
WP:NCOLLATH.
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This article about a now-defunct band would need a major rewrite to address
WP:TONE and
WP:POV issues. Recently, a member of the band,
Eric Recourt (
talk·contribs) has been mostly
editing the article, including inserting external links to his personal Facebook page and deleting part of the original lead, leaving just "Eric Recourt was the driving force behind db9d9 [...]" at the beginning.
The citations are very non-precise. The only cited source that I could find online
[1] is short, subjective and looks like self-published -- not a useful source to build an article on. The
last archived copy of industrialmusic.com from 2005 does not appear to say anything about DB9D9. "Dark Music Webzine" does not seem to exist any more and might be a self-published source too.
Outburn Magazine's past issues
can still be purchased online, but the citation doesn't say which issue it's from, and their website does not mention DB9D9. "San Diego Union Tribune" is now
U-T San Diego, they have recent articles available online, but I could not find the blurb or DB9D9 using Google and their site search.
Given that this article is in such a state and good sources aren't easily accessible, I think it's unlikely it'll ever be fixed and thus I propose it for deletion. --
intgr[talk] 19:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete.
Spamtastic is solvable; spamtastic and unnotable per
WP:GNG and
WP:NBAND isn't. No significant coverage in reliable sources present themselves either in the article or in my searches.
Dylanfromthenorth (
talk) 22:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete no evidence of notability now or likely in the future--
Mevagiss (
talk) 21:13, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete without prejudice - I can't philosophically prove non-notability, but it would need demolition and rewriting. The discography suggests notability is possible, if those aren't actually self-releases -
David Gerard (
talk) 00:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result was Keep - he is clearly notable as one of few people to be excluded from Australia and UK for his activities. There are multiple newspaper and other "straight" news stories (and not merely op.eds and other such polemics). The alleged poor state of the article is not a reason to delete, though it may be a reason to improve the article. The alleged infamy and bad character of the individual concerned is also not a reason to delete.
Metamagician3000 (
talk) 09:48, 23 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Multiple sources from news organisations around the world suggest that Julien Blanc is likely to be notable for some time to come, whether or not his career turns out to be sustainable in the long term. He has had his visa revoked in one country (Australia) after only a few weeks in the spotlight and is now informally blocked from entering several others. The situation in Canada and the UK is currently unclear, but in the UK, it now involves our senior politicians, as it did in Australia. That he should have had such an impact in such a short space of time, with a large number of reliable sources, is unusual.
As an end to the 'pick-up artist' phenomenon is not in sight, contributors to media sources international are likely to refer to Julien Blanc for the foreseeable future, even if campaigners in several countries succeed in him being refused an entry visa. As the two principal issues are the nature of his instruction to men who wish to date/seduce women and whether he is a suitable person to be admitted to overseas jurisdictions, Mr Blanc has passed out of the realms of
WP:BLP1E
I think Julien Blanc's notability has been established.
Philip Cross (
talk) 20:34, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete This is not about notability. Wikipedia is NOT the news. The article is currently a collection of citations of biased news articles from the last two weeks. Please have a look at
Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper.
Paulkroka (
talk) 21:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Nomination already implies that the nominator recommends deletion (unless indicated otherwise), and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line. See
WP:DISCUSSAFD. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 22:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep This two-day old article should be improved rather than deleted. Subject passes
WP:BASIC,
WP:GNG and
WP:ONEEVENT. See
WP:PRESERVE and
WP:NPOV#Achieving neutrality on how to improve the article's neutrality; bias can be addressed by rewriting passages. Wikipedia policy does not object to basing articles on recent news/events. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 22:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep and improve. Per
Philip Cross and
82.136.210.153.
Paulkroka's argument that news articles used as sources in this article are "biased" is not persuasive: as of this writing, the article has 41 sources from news organizations in multiple countries, including such well-regarded news organizations as The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Age — just to name a few — which fulfill the qualifications of being
reliable published sources. That they tell a similar story of Julien Blanc's controversiality is not in itself an indication of bias: Wikipedia's
neutral point of view policy does not require an article to present all possible points of view but rather to present "fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic" — thus, if there are reliable published sources which present a different view of Blanc's controversiality, then the proper avenue is to introduce properly source information from those sources (if any, in fact, exist), rather than simply to decry the supposed "bias" of reliable sources with which an editor personally disagrees.
Paulroka's argument that "this is not about
notability" is also not persuasive. While
Wikipedia is not a newspaper, the involvement of senior government officials in both Australia and the UK indicate not only that Blanc's notability has expanded beyond the
pickup artist "movement" and controversies about its relation to issues of sexual violence and racism, but into the realm of government policy, which is likely to have an effect on government policies in multiple nations for years to come — as is discussed in the source that led me to this article — today's broadcast from the Public Radio International program "The World" —
"Britain debates banning American 'pick-up artist' Julien Blanc from entering the country".
This article could be improved by adding additional biographical information about Julien Blanc to put his activities into some kind of biographical context.
While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I also want to note that user Paulroka appears to have created a Wikipedia account only today, and his
only contributions thus far have been to advocate for deletion of this article. —
Yksin (
talk) 23:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I usually add contribution without an account. I created the account since otherwise I would not have been able to start the call for deletion.
Paulkroka (
talk) 15:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. I think any issues of
one-eventism are over-ridden by the sheer weight and depth of coverage. Added to that is the involvement of political figures in the UK and Australia (and not just low-ranking figures either, Cabinet ministers), which puts him further over the notability threshold.
Dylanfromthenorth (
talk) 23:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Depth of coverage is irrelevant. What matters is whether issues with regard to the person persists. This is not known since the coverage is only recent. Recentism par excellence.
Mootros (
talk) 07:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Extremist activist groups, major news corporations, and politically motivated politicians, are using Julien as a scapegoat, for their own special interest. These special interest include raising political influence by taking down a so called, "international rapist", creating fabricated headlines for increase viewer numbers, creating a reason to financially support extremist activist groups, creating political headlines, drama, the list goes on of why these parties would largely play an active role in accusing Julien. They have extremely skewed the facts leaving a highly negative connotation of who Julien Blac is as a person, evidence used to condemn Julien was taken completely out of its original context, they continue to pursue Julien even after proof of major miss uses in evidence. Wikipedia is about the facts, not information taken from bias media sources that was just copy and pasted. The page of Julien Blanc must be intensely improved upon, or completely deleted due to the bias nature of news sources.
Podikimosky (
talk) 00:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment I moved your comments, Podikimosky, because it is normal to add them in chronological order.
Philip Cross (
talk) 00:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. A lot of claims about "bias" there, but again: all the sources cited for the article meet Wikipedia criteria for
reliable published sources. If there are reliable published sources which present other points of view about Julien Blanc or his methods, or which substantiate your assertions about the "special interest" or motivations of Blanc's critics or of the news media which have been reporting on him, then it would improve the article (in line with Wikipedia policies about
neutral point of view) to add information based on those sources (properly cited). At the moment, though, all I see are unsupported assertions, nor have you cited any Wikipedia policies to support your position. —
Yksin (
talk) 00:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I want to note that user Podikimosky appears to have created a Wikipedia account only today, and his or her
only contributions thus far have been to advocate for deletion of this article. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 10:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Most of this page is biased against Julien, and a majority of the content comes from the past few days. Wikipedia is not a newspaper.
Redflorist (
talk) 00:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Recentism par excellence!
Mootros (
talk) 07:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Notable, albeit for all the wrong reasons.
Deb (
talk) 09:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. While not a likeable figure, who people may not think is needed in a encyclopedia, i must vote keep as is the wide coverage in multiple sources, including Forbes/Time. Plus one of the few if not the only person banned from entering countries for something other then criminal charges/political views. The state of the article can be improved though. Comparable to
Zoe Quinn and her coverage i think.
GuzzyG (
talk) 09:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete The article is heavily biased and reads as though it is a news article written by extremist feminists, as it draws information from news sources, which are deemed to be inaccurate by many. I would vote for the article to be kept if it didn't state all the media bulls*** as fact. They should be stated as controversy. Heavy use of the phrase 'according to' would be appropriate. Otherwise this article has no place in wikipedia. Here are some resources from the other side for people who want to keep the article and make it neutral.
http://g00.se/truth-behind-julien-blanc/ ,
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/551104 ,
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1411/17/nday.04.html Edit: It would be more suitable to create an article for this event, as opposed to a biolgraphy. This article does not meet the guidelines
WP:BLP1E in my opinion. — Preceding
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Comment I moved (and signed) your contribution, 213.7.112.229, because it is normal to add them in chronological order. While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I want to note that editor 213.7.112.229's
only two contributions thus far have been 1 minor edit of the article that is subject of this discussion and 1 edit to advocate for deletion of said article. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 11:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Thanks, I'm not an experienced editor (I've written articles from other IPs, but not much) however I use wikipedia a lot and am aware of the general guidelines for encyclopedia articles and specifically wikipedia, so I feel I have the right to comment on what is wrong with this article. — Preceding
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213.7.112.229 (
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Comment. 213.7.112.229, I signed your follow-up comment. In future, it would be helpful if you'd remember to sign your posts by typing in four tildes in at the end. Thanks. —
Yksin (
talk) 17:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Controversy is not part of what should be in an encyclopedia. It should display facts and objective views, and does not objectively say anything about Julien Blanc. — Preceding
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27.32.51.39 (
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Comment I moved (and signed) your contribution, 27.32.51.39, because it is normal to add them in chronological order. While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I want to note that editor 27.32.51.39's
only contributions thus far have been to advocate for deletion of this article. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 11:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep The calls for deletion seem to be because the article is one sided and not very good, rather than because the subject is not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Improvement would be a better option.
Stainless316 (
talk) 13:00, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete The only sources are a collection of biased news articles driven by his opponents. Consider:
Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper.
AndySBlair (
talk) 23:21, 17 November 2014 (GMT) -- this pre-struck !vote was actually added by
81.149.136.134 (
talk) 18:22, 18 November 2014 (UTC) -- user AndySBlair doesn`t exist.
Ivanvector (
talk) 00:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Article is a summary of events that have happened in the past few days and biased articles. It is not a true representation of the person and his life and portrays Jullien in a bad light deforming his character. — Preceding
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85.211.96.142 (
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contribs) 20:22, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep and improve - He has been subject of news reports on multiple continents. He is notable enough to warrant an article, even if that notability is negative in nature.
EvergreenFir(talk) Please {{
re}} 20:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
WP:SNOW Keep. Coverage from major news sources on multiple continents. Yes, it's negative coverage; we don't only write about nice people. --
GRuban (
talk) 21:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete This article is based on facts / articles which were taken totally out of context. They slander Julien Blanc and the name of Real Social Dynamics. The article is also extremely biased and offensive against Julien.—
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Dylanfromthenorth (
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Keep. He really is in the news all over the world, unambiguously meeting notability, and there really are a lot of people protesting him, backed up by indisputable primary and secondary sources. That's the end of the story to the question of deletion - the answer must be "no", the article should exist. Now as for content, by all means if people think something's imbalanced, they can be feel free to contribute to the editing process. But it's hardly like there's just been one biased editor dominating the process - there is a collective process underway with many editors. And hey, the more voices, the better the result. :) --
Rei (
talk) 23:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Putative bias is a reason to improve the article, not a rationale for deleting it. The subject clearly meets the
GNG.
-- Rrburke (
talk) 00:10, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. My, but there are a lot of
WP:SPAs here. Subject is clearly notable for his controversial views on the subject of attraction (putting it generously), and this notability is demonstrated by having been barred entry by a country and the target of protests in several others. Issues about neutrality can be solved with editing, but we don't delete articles just because they're about bad people.
Ivanvector (
talk) 00:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
KeepShirley Phelps-Roper, whom I think is a person of similar notability, has an article, so this guy should be notable enough. Don't
WP:DEMOLISH the house while it's still being built.
206.188.87.3 (
talk) 00:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep- Whilst I'm 100% glad this tool's banned from the UK and believe this country's a better place without him ... I shouldn't let my personal opinions interfere with !voting... No matter what I think of him he's still notable (unfortunately!), So I'll have to say Keep. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 22:01, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Subject is clearly notable with multiple coverage in reliable sources. The article is now semi-protected and has been rewritten from a neutral point of view.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk) 06:21, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Clearly notable and subject of widespread coverage. Latest BBC article
here.
Ghmyrtle (
talk) 15:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete He's not famous and his profession is fueling more potential rape cases, by giving out ill advised advise to men about how to 'pick up a women'. How can you possibly give a Wikipedia account to this vile man documenting what he has done, Which in the eyes of many people is wrong, Heck he's even barred from the UK now. Please also consider
Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper.'.
88.111.115.241 (
talk) 15:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
We don't just have articles on nice people I'm afraid; even the bad guys get one if they meet the notability guidelines.
Dylanfromthenorth (
talk) 17:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Thanks for responding, I get what you mean
88.111.115.241 (
talk) 17:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I don't agree with this guy's ideas, either, but I'm fine with him having an article, on the principle that the right way to fight bad information is with good information. —
Steve Summit (
talk) 21:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep meets
WP:GNG per the ref list
Avono (
talk) 15:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
User:Robert5101945added this comment to this discussion's talk page: "Keep Julien Blanc is a character of note, all be it for all the wrong reasons. He has much media interest most negative regarding his abusive approach to women. He promotes this approach to others charging them for his advice. Generally he has a negative attitude toward women. Wiki has many pages relating to the wise and good. I see no reason to delete the opposite
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Keep As one of the few people who've "been banned from the UK", he's clearly notable, even if it's not for reasons we might like. I don't like the man or what he does, but he is clearly worthy of an article. — OwenBlacker (
Talk) 18:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep controversial figure who has received a lot of press coverage in reliable sources, and passes
WP:GNG and
WP:BLP1E. As mentioned above few people get banned from a country for non-criminal reasons.
This is Paul (
talk) 19:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Multiple jurisdictions banning him from performing or from even entering their countries is extremely unusual, usually something reserved for a few terrorists or a few political activists. As this is so unusual, he is clearly notable.--
A bit iffy (
talk) 19:21, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Looks notable enough to me, based on reading the news today. If the
pickup artist and
seduction communities don't have a popular face, they should, and he's likely to be (and stay) it. —
Steve Summit (
talk) 20:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep so long as we are very careful to follow BLP guidelines. The fact that he is singled out for exclusion from several contries is unusual and notable.
Jonathunder (
talk) 20:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep: the visa refusals by themselves show notability. Sceptre(
talk) 00:16, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep: Is notable for being banned from more than one country, without actual criminal convictions. Likely to be referred to in future cases of people being refused visas. All the references to his activities come from reputable sources. Just because some people don't like what this entry says, that is no reason to delete it.
nagoyablue (
talk) 02:03, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep: well sourced with independent reliable sources.
Stuartyeates (
talk) 02:32, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep he is likely to only increase his notoriety for some time and the news stories have generated interest in this topic which is coaching men to date women. At the moment there isn't a lot of public information available and I think this Wiki page will be sought after for information for quite some time to come. — Preceding
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110.175.251.185 (
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Comment I moved (and signed) your contribution, 110.175.251.185, because it is normal to add them in chronological order. While anyone can edit Wikipedia, I want to note that 110.175.251.185 has made
only one edit outside this topic. --
82.136.210.153 (
talk) 03:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, as the person has received coverage in multiple countries at different times as a result of outrage at his seminars. Passes
WP:GNG and not a
WP:BLP1E case. This keep vote should not be interpreted as approval or endorsement of Blanc or his methods, which I abhor.
Lankiveil(
speak to me) 11:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC).reply
Keep. It is absurd to delete the article about a clearly notable person.
Gui le Roi (
talk) 12:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
KeepSubstantial coverage across at least three continents.
Whatever problems our lords and masters at
Wikipediocracy have with BLPs of the hopefully inconsequential, but per edictWP:Notable, they're going to have to be fixed by some BLP-regulating mechanism other than AfD. By policy, this odious guy is considered notable.
Andy Dingley (
talk) 12:40, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - The article should be improved to meet Wikipedia's standards. This is an important subject and there has been significant media debate and coverage, along with government involvement. That most of the news articles are negative is not relevant.
Wikimandia (
talk) 13:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, clearly notable and has numerous sources. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean the article should be deleted.
Stifle's non-admin account (
talk) 13:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, I wrote a version of this under the Sandbox before the original writer wrote this version. He used some of my work in this page. I say it is a keep for the following reason: meets Wikipedia's notability requirement. It also meets the 3 pillars. From the looks of it, the deletes are mostly because the article seems single sided. However, *all* news mentions about Julien Blanc is single sided. This guy wasn't notable until the event, hence why its single sided. The only notable thing that was pro-Blanc was his apology.
CerealKillerYum (
talk) 14:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. I've done the vast majority of additional editing on the article for the past two days, and have found a couple of
WP:VERIFY sources that are less condemnatory of Blanc. I'm continuing to search for such sources in the interest of
WP:NPOV. Anyone who can help with that please get onto the article's talk page. I urge people to remember this is an encyclopedia, and to leave their opinions about "odiousness" or "admirability" at the coat check stand. —
Yksin (
talk) 18:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Snow keep - he's notable, even though for disreputable things.
ukexpat (
talk) 15:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - I removed many of the biased sources before posting this. Much of the writing still suffers from recentism, but this problem is correctable over time. Overall, I think the article is notable enough to stay.
Connor Behan (
talk) 03:30, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. The article could use the attention of an editor experienced in writing neutral biographies on controversial figures, but I don't see how the notability of this person can be challenged. There's a whole stack of citations from reliable sources. Potential issues related to
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:RECENTISM can be solved through the normal editing process.
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk) 18:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Clearly a notable individual. Article is well sourced and informative. -
FASTILY 02:03, 23 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Clearly notable. Controversial person, subject to protests recently. Expelled and banned from Australia (a decision taken at ministerial level). Well referenced. --
Dmol (
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The result was delete.
Kurykh (
talk) 01:18, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Non-notable minor league player that fails WP:GNG. Recently signed with Braves, but still lacks sources and notability for even a re-direct.
Yankees10 18:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I'm surprised that a guy who was once on the Yankees' 40 man roster doesn't have even the coverage to make it onto a "minor league players" page, but there's nothing to justify it. No prejudice against recreating it if sources do get produced, of course. –
Muboshgu ([[User talk:#top|talk]]) 18:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. I wouldn't necessarily oppose a merge on this one since it wasnt that long ago that he was on the 40 man roster, but there really is no content here at all.. even for a merge you need more on someone other than their name, their handedness and their age.
Spanneraol (
talk) 21:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Exactly my thought. I don't see any pieces from the NY newspapers (NYT, NY Post, Daily News) or AJC. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 00:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails notability since he has not played in the majors. Does not have
WP:RS to establish notability outside of that. --
Jersey92 (
talk) 14:10, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per Muboshgu.
...William 12:02, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete there really is nothing to find for sources.
Mellowed Fillmore (
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Delete per everyone above - Fails GNG. –
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The result was Delete - no real assertion of notability here.
Metamagician3000 (
talk) 07:02, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. I wish the writer well, but this just isn't notable enough for an article. The performance wasn't of any particular note per Wikipedia's guidelines and the play has yet to be published or performed anywhere else and gained the necessary coverage.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Note. There's also a copy in the userspace at
User:Hipersonithink/sandbox. I hate to sound bite-y, but I really doubt that this will pass notability guidelines anywhere in the near future to where it'd really merit being retained in the userspace.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
comment Not one reference in the article. I did find this one source [1] but it does not seem like a reliable source nor does it say much besides the times that it is playing.
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No evidence of notability of the Summer School. References appear to be for the style of singing, not for the school. Edit summary for PROD removal seemed to be a violation of
WP:NOTINHERITED -
David Biddulph (
talk) 18:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - No evidence of notability. –
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Delete - No evidence of notability, and anyway most of the article is about the singing style, not the School.
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Comment - the sources in the article now are of unclear reliability to me: I've never heard of any of them.
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Article created by
WP:SPA, appears to function as
WP:ADVERT and
WP:PROMO -- in addition sourcing is quite poor to
IMDB, primary sources, etc. Appears to be a film director of some non-notable
short films. — Cirt (
talk) 17:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - Cirt hits the nail on the head. Does not meet notability requirements. None of the info in the short bio section is sourced at all. There are 3 imdb and 1 youtube references, which do not meet the
WP:RS requirements. The last 3 are invalid links. One of the Statesman links is also no good... and the other is spotty at best. The best citation is the realbollywood reference, and that only mentions him in passing.
Onel5969 (
talk) 20:34, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete: Agreed with Onel, Cirt covered everything very well. No assertion of notability at this time, and it doesn't appear that there are any unused sourced that can change that.
Sock(tock talk) 14:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete It is over two years since the article was created. The lack of any significant coverage in secondary sources before or, especially, since means that the article fails
WP:GNG. If SB's career takes off in the future the article can always be restored and updated.
MarnetteD|
Talk 00:51, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. An up-and-coming director that has yet to satisfy the GNG. Can be recreated later, when more sources exist.
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The result was keep. Closing per
WP:SNOW. "Speedy incubate" is possibly an option, but the keeps are quite overwhelming here.
Drmies (
talk) 23:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
as much as this event is tragic, article was created on the same day and is a classic case of WP:NOTNEWS.
LibStar (
talk) 17:07, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep 56 deaths, plenty of
coverage. If this happened in London or New York, it would be ITN material. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead 18:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Speedy Keep Not much has changed, it seems, with regards to the users who hate any new event having an article. It is far too early to pull the NOTNEWS article out, and we're talking about an incident that resulted in 56 deaths. That factoid on its own is generally considered enough for notability.
Lukeno94(tell Luke off here) 23:08, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep.
Bloomberg coverage in the article already asserts it is the worst road accident in Pakistan for a year, so it is not merely any accident. There is New York Daily News mention, other. It would be nice to know what is some standard for notability of accidents to get articles included into
Category:Bus accidents in Pakistan (and similar other categories for other countries), but this one accident seems individually notable. A good alternative, however, would be to create
List of Pakistani bus accidents and to include this as one item in it. That could be done separately from this AFD, however, and the article could be merged and redirected by any editor without need for another AFD, just as part of regular editing. --
doncram 23:36, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep as received worldwide coverage, Passes GNG. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 02:15, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
so did Obama's recent visit to Beijing, should we create an article for that too?
LibStar (
talk) 07:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Don't be a
dick you know exactly what I mean!. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 15:00, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Speedy Incubate for two weeks Wikipedia is
not a newspaper, and wp:notability requires that the topic has received attention from the world at large over a period of time. There is no urgency to claim that this topic should be covered as a part of history.
Unscintillating (
talk) 02:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTNEWSPAPER is a policy, and I've added a Wikilink to the !vote to this effect.
Unscintillating (
talk) 00:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. 56 deaths is notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 14:19, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - An incredible amount of coverage satisfying
WP:GNG and to suggest an incident with 56 deaths won't be "enduring" as WP:NOTNEWS indicates is simply willful ignorance. The primary examples of non-notable topics WP:NOTNEWS states are " routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities" which of course this topic is nothing of a sort. A classic example of WP:NOTNEWS being misapplied. --
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Delete - simply fringe, no coverage in RS, COI obviously. I see claims about more Old World alphabets on the FB page - related to
[4]. Love the claim that a circle supposedly found on that stone is the symbol of Ra.
Dougweller (
talk) 17:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
almost a speedy delete no reliable sources, only source provided is Facebook link.
LibStar (
talk) 17:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete on the basis of dubious coherence of the article in its current form and lack of notability. I looked at the, um, article, and most of our mini-stubs are both more intelligible and more substantive than this one.
John Carter (
talk) 17:33, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I couldn't find any reliable sources for this, the existing sources are Facebook the links for which should be removed. I will do some further research and if I turn up any sources I will post them. - -
MrBill3 (
talk) 06:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. I'm particularly amused by the claim of "Cherokee Indian Syllabary engraved," given that this script was only invented in the 1820s. --
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Blatant unsourced advert. Includes zero sources and a lot of promotional language and content.
CorporateM (
Talk) 16:34, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
keep Blatantly false nomination: plenty of sources both in the article now and zero due diligence from the nominator. The language is factual description of the EDA community effort for design tool interoperability. -M.Altenmann
>t 16:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Contrary to nominator's claim, article is reliably sourced and passes
WP:ORG.--
Ddcm8991 (
talk) 20:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - books and industry standards are acceptable sources.
Bearian (
talk) 21:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete I'll be in the minority here, but I don't see anything that makes this software or its 'coalition' notable. The few references are reliable, but not strong. The list of links at the bottom looks promotional. Most of the wiki pages listed there have not been updated since 2011, so it isn't clear if this is still a live project. In addition, the text of the article seems to have been taken directly from
[5] which has a copyright notice on it.
WP:COPYVIOLaMona (
talk) 04:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
if it were a dead project, it is still of historical interest, since it made a major noise within EDA industry and attempted to address a real problem. and once again, independent references are abound, but nobody gives a fuck the apathy in wikipedia is on the rise. However a quick google check easily shows there are contributions to the project check shows that the statement "Most of the wiki pages listed there have not been updated" is both an exaggerrating and false: there are only two wikies, and one of them has "recent changes" dated 2014. All other listed webpages also have many updates dated by 2014.
I appreciate efforts to clean wikipedia from unreliable texts created in early days, but guys, if you are not an expert in the particular industry, then please exercise due diligence befor jumping to conclusions. We are not discussing minor pokemon of aspiring pornstarlets; this is an effort of major players in EDA industry. It is sad public don't recognize these names. Here is a quiz: (1) Who manufactures chips for iphones? (11 points) (2) Will such company take part in a bullshit project? (2 points)
Also, copyvio is easily fixable fixed; thanks for checking. this is not some scientific discovery or philosophical visions. -M.Altenmann
>t 16:15, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Thanks for fixing copyvio. If this is a "well-known" project, then it would be a good idea to support that with better sources. Wikipedia is supposed to be verifiable, and one is not required to be an "expert in a particular industry" to know if an article is well-supported. The sources really do not support the above claims, and, to be honest, the article needs some TLC in terms of style and simple clarity. Perhaps one of the enthusiasts here could take that on?
LaMona (
talk) 17:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Which claims and which sources? One is required to be an expert to make a judgement on whether some subject is worth researching for wikipedia. I used to be an enthusiast, but it was 10 years ago. I agree the article is not well supported. But your requirement of "better sources" is kinda strange. A book and a major conference not good enough? I threw in a couple of wrenches merely to halt this afd; I no longer care much to develop the subject. If more deletionists peep in, I will throw in more refs; two per voter-deleter. Otherwise the page is good enough for me: IMO the major asset of wikipedia is cross-linking of information, including interlanguage. The texts themselves 80% suck. -M.Altenmann
>t 03:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - the article needs work, for sure, but a quick book search reveals the topic has the appropriate coverage to deserve an article. I've added a book source for the basic definition to help it on its way.
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The result was delete.
Kurykh (
talk) 01:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Biography with zero notability claims. Should really be speedied as A7, but a menagerie of
SPAs has cropped up to remove any such tags.
Kolbasz (
talk) 14:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
KEEP.
Totally disagree. It is not a C.V., it is a biography of a member of one of the most memorable families in Spain and he is a businessman / sports man.
You can find his name in the database of the Official site of United States Polo Association. uspolo.org (Member search)
Delete No real claims of notabiliy, references aren't really references. Notability doesn't come from being a member of the "Unisted States of American Polo Association". --
AmaryllisGardenertalk 14:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete, not notable; reads like a CV.
Kierzek (
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Delete per everyone above me - Reads more like a CV plus the refereces aren't references - 2 refs are wiki articles, so no evidence of notability –
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Sources used appear to be mostly primary or of very low quality. Company only has 39 employees and does not appear to have any particular claim to notability.
CorporateM (
Talk) 14:14, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not a single one of the sources is reliable by the consensus definition of the word. May merit an article someday, but not today. —
Swpbtalk 15:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result was speedy delete.
WP:CSD#G3 blatant hoax and
WP:CSD#G4 repost of deleted material. I have replaced it with a protected redirect to
The Cantos.
JohnCD (
talk) 14:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The first page of a Google page pretty much tells me that this is a hoax albeit not one blatant enough for G3). The fact that I can find absolutely nothing for this film, despite the article claiming several celebrity appearances by people such as Ke$ha, Scarlett Johansen, and a budget of $400,000,000 is startling.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew 14:09, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment it appeared that this was already AfD'd and speedied yesterday. I was not aware of the previous discussion, so if anyone likes, feel free to tag it as G3. Also, the page would probably need a pinch of
salt.
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The result was Delete.
Randykitty (
talk) 06:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete, as has been done with this sort of article ∞ times before. The topic can never meet POV, and is unencyclopedic almost by definition. —
Swpbtalk 15:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Weak keep: after rewriting as an article about the literature concerning weird laws; see
this Snopes article and the literature cited there.
הסרפד (
call me Hasirpad) 19:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep: This article needs to be developed. Need to improve. --►Cekli829 05:24, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment - It's amusing indeed, but the main problem with the article, even if it did get more items: define what makes a law "unusual"? Should it be an exhaustive list? What could be unusual to one culture may not be unusual in another.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew 07:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I don't see any way an article like this could ever be made encyclopedic. For one thing, an "unusual" law in one place or one culture or one period in history may be perfectly normal in another, as Naruto points out. Plus there is the sampling problem. Right now there is only one "weird law" mentioned, the Carmel dress code; there is also a paragraph about voting restrictions on immigrants but it doesn't explain what is strange or unusual about them. If kept, the article is likely to continue as it is: random paragraphs about laws that somebody somewhere thought were strange. --
MelanieN (
talk) 03:42, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. The topic undeniably gets coverage in reliable sources. For example,
[6],
[7],
[8], and
[9]. However,
this article from the Wall Street Journal calls a gun control law "unusual". This highlights the problematic nature of the topic: nobody would consider a standard gun control law to be "unusual" in the sense of "walking backward on Sunday is illegal on Main Street from 6pm to midnight". In light of that, I would agree that any article based on this topic is likely to degenerate into an indiscriminate list of examples selected through editor bias. However, I'm unwilling to outright say that it should be deleted just because it's a bad idea.
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk) 20:20, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I would propose to merge this with another article,
Dumb laws. Both articles are in deplorable state, but clearly the topic gets attention and coverage from secondary sources, so it warrants an article on WP. The title "unsual laws" might be better than "dumb laws", but in any case multiple articles about such similar topics should be merged. If the decision is to merge, I am willing to do a cleanup of the combined articles to bring it to an at least decent, readable state.--
Reinoutr (
talk) 13:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Better yet,
Dumb laws should also be nominated for deletion. It has the same problems as the current one, including WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Only a few "dumb laws" are mentioned (including some which are mischaracterized and others which are myths), and the references are mostly to non-reliable sources (such as dumblaws.com, which is basically advertising for a law firm), and the article title is POV/not encyclopedic, and, and, and. --
MelanieN (
talk) 15:29, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, merging the "dumb laws" content with this one. (Or rather, since there is so little content in this article compared to the Dumb Laws one, just rename the other one with this article's title and keep). As for the main basis of many of the objections and the delete opinions, laws are the product of man - so you might as well say that ALL laws are specific to one place or one culture or one period in history and so should be excluded. However, the general concept of having civil and criminal and corporate laws is firmly established in the Western world, and so the perception of what the Western World thinks of as "unusual" in relation to ITS established concept is a valid one. And of course unusual or bizarre or laughable or extreme laws have been written about in numerous sources. As for the other main objection - if the basis for a law's inclusion in this article is that a source has to have written about the law in a way that points out its unusual or extreme nature, then editor bias will be minimized.
Tiptoethrutheminefield (
talk) 16:33, 26 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Follow-up: I hope this doesn't veer too off-topic for AfD, but I went ahead and created
Draft:List of unusual laws and seeded it with just a couple examples. Some comments on the talk page to start a discussion about scope and sourcing requirements. --— Rhododendritestalk \\ 22:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The problem is when another editor says, "I don't think they are unusual". Then there is an inherent OR issue that can't really be resolved because of the essentially subjective nature of the article title.
Fenix down (
talk) 22:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)reply
What editors think is irrelevant. What matters is what reliable sources think.
James500 (
talk) 04:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)reply
A list of unusual laws is perfectly legitimate provided, in each case, there is a reliable source that expressly calls the enactment or rule of law in question "unusual" or some close synonym. Consensus for this was established during a discussion at the "village pump" forum concerning the list of weird buildings.
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Article about a German male model, this is entirely a biography created from his website, online agency profiles and non-reliable fansites. He is founder and editor of the Kaltblut magazine, but I can't find any significant, reliable coverage about him on Google.de - fails WP:GNG.
Sionk (
talk) 13:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. BLPs especially need reliable sources, and this has none. —
Swpbtalk 15:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. If there's notability, then it's not apparent from the article. (And ditto for the related "
Unfaithful (2009 film)".) --
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A very junior level administrative service official. Has no references. Fails WP:GNG
Uncletomwood (
talk) 13:10, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Just a minor bureaucrat.
Clarityfiend (
talk) 14:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails
WP:GNG. I don't even see his name mentioned in the only reference's URL. So, he might not be what the article says he is either. --
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The result was delete.
Kurykh (
talk) 01:21, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Originally deleted as a PROD and re-created by an editor who, based on his username, is likely a band member. No evidence of notability, fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NBAND.
GiantSnowman 13:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. Sorry, but I can't see anything in the article that says this band is anything more than the typical
WP:GARAGE band at this time, let alone sources proving otherwise.
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The result was delete.
Kurykh (
talk) 01:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Appears to be a neologism without notability. The article has plenty of references, but many of them don't mention "Orange technology" and of those that do few appear to be independent from professor Jhing-Fa and his university. AfD'd once before.
Sjö (
talk) 13:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)reply
There is concept that is not limited to one university (National Cheng Kung Univeristy, Taiwan) only. The second annual conference already took place in Xian, China (please search "ICOT 2014" in Google).
Delete. Apart from some very poorly cited papers by Wang et al., I'm not seeing any coverage of this
WP:NEO in any
WP:RS. I also see that this is a recreation of a
previously deleted article. --
120.17.108.248 (
talk) 00:21, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Reply. The language should not be the key criterion to delete articles in Wiki. If it is convenient for you to search the orange technology in Traditional Chinese, you will find many citations. My humble opinion is English citations may be not the only criterion to judge whether an article is
WP:NEO, and so is the area (i.e., countries). The concept is formed in Taiwan, as people though aging population deserves more attention.
Regarding the re-creation of the deletion of the previous page, that is because the concept itself is not wrong. Different wiki volunteers have different opinions. Some allow the article to be reserved. As time changes, some of new wiki volunteers raise this issue again. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Mcic2011 (
talk •
contribs) 03:46, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep, per reviewing links posted by the anon.--Esprit15d •
talk •
contribs 09:45, 16 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment: This
google search may also provide more guidance.--Esprit15d •
talk •
contribs 09:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. None of those Google hits are relevant to the topic of the article -- they are simply unrelated uses of the phrase. --
120.21.78.131 (
talk) 10:57, 16 November 2014 (UTC)reply
No offense, but that's just insulting to me. Of what benefit would it be to me (or anyone, really) to just post links to unrelated to the topic? I posted those links with the expectation and HOPE that someone would click on them to get more information on the topic. If I didn't know better, I would think you were joking.--Esprit15d •
talk •
contribs 05:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
What possible reason could you have to post links to companies that just happen to have "Orange Technology" in their name? Because that's what you did. The top 40 Google hits on your search were all of that nature. As far as I'm concerned, the absence of this topic in that list of Google hits suggests lack of notability more than anything else. --
120.23.81.27 (
talk) 06:01, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Confirmed. The Google hits that search brings up are utterly unrelated to the aubject of the article.
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 10:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
NorthAmerica1000 09:33, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - the concerns raised in the previous AFD have not been addressed - a Google Scholar search and the references provided still demonstrate that the term is primarily used by the academic who created it. Furthermore, the
talkpage of the creator clearly demonstrates an interest in promoting the term, even when it goes against the feelings of the editing community. I think
this source puts it best: "Prof. Jhing-Fa Wang Promotes Orange Technology".
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 10:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - per nom and Suriel1981.
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The result was keep. Good discussion, with the weight of consensus leaning towards keeping the article. Mojo Hand(
talk) 02:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
There's no indication as to why this person is notable. Fails
WP:GNG. References are written by the source - although they're not even backing up anything since 'ref' tags weren't used. Possible self promotion/autobiography. st170etalk 02:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. The appropriate guidelines are
WP:NACADEMICS. In this case you can search in
Google Scholar to find a considerable number of academic publications, including works cited more than 100 times. So the notability requirements are satisfied easily.
Zerotalk 23:33, 4 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete As per the
WP:NACADEMICS guidelines, a "considerable number of articles" is not one of the criteria. The criteria are having made a significant impact on their field, above and beyond normal academic research. Therefore one would need to find verifiable resources that the person has been so designated based on awards, special appointments, or the statements of their colleagues. The main criterion is "effect on a field." I don't see that here.
LaMona (
talk) 21:45, 8 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, → Call meHahc21 19:47, 9 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - I see lots of citations to his articles on Google scholar - literally hundreds of times. His top article was cited over 500 times. How could that not have an effect?
Bearian (
talk) 16:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep The basic criterion for an academic being an authority in his subject is the extent to which others use his work, andthis is measured roughly by the number of citations. Most of the other facets of WP:PROF, such as awards, are just shortcuts to this. DGG (
talk ) 04:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Correct, and that is stated explicitly in notes on
WP:NACADEMIC. In addition, his book on language education cited over 500 times indicates success on criterion 4 as well.
Zerotalk 09:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Comment. There's no point in this resisting. Notability was the only reason provided for deletion, but the criteria at
WP:NACADEMIC are met easily.
Zerotalk 10:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Hi
User:Zero0000: Have you considered the opinion of
User:LaMona? Perhaps they will revisit the discussion, if they receive notification per their user name being linked in my comment here.
NorthAmerica1000 18:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Yes, but the specific notes at
WP:NACADEMIC say "The most typical way of satisfying Criterion 1 is to show that the academic has been an author of highly cited academic work – either several extremely highly cited scholarly publications or a substantial number of scholarly publications with significant citation rates." He has over 1000 citations, the majority apparently in academic sources. A large number of serious books on second language acquisition cite his work (search for his name at google books). He isn't Albert Einstein, but he is notable enough for an article.
Zerotalk 21:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Zero Can you spell out his impact on the field? Or point to others who do? Also note that of the 1000 citations, over half are to what appears to be a textbook. If that book, though, changed somehow the course of linguistics, then we have notability. Being cited 500+ times isn't itself proof of notability. I was able to find a work in the field cited over 9,000 times (and no, it's not by Chomsky - his works are cited tens of thousands of times). The upshot is that it's hard to be quantitative about academic achievement, which is why you have to find inventions, awards, etc.
LaMona (
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Keep His co-authored book has received significant reviews in TESOL Quarterly, Language in Society, and the Modern Language Journal, and has therefore "...played a major role in co-creating .... a significant or well-known work .... that has been the subject of ... multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." per
WP:AUTHOR 3. I am not actually convinced by the argument based on pure citation counts vs. PROF 1, particularly as typically measured by
h-index, but I think AUTHOR 3 suffices. --
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The result was Speedy delete G4 as re-created content. This AfD is not a place to challenge the outcome of previous deletion discussion about nearly identical article. Note that the article history came convoluted due to page move during this AfD and this was also (accidentally) deleted as CSD G8 as main author blanked it, so please be careful if reviewing the logs.
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Not Notable - not every car collector is notable. Further, this article was previously voted to be deleted (check the prior nomination) therefore this would also qualify for deletion as a previously deleted article. I can't tell if the text is the same, since I can't see the deleted article, but I doubt any text was changed. KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 20:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC)reply
keep there's plenty of hits on google and he is unique in his ability and deliverance in such car collections, especially at his age.
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Keep This is a translation of the German article, with the same references. However, I can find third-party references about the organization and its journal,
[11][12].
From my reading this is a professional/research organization in good standing; however, the article should be marked as needing references.
LaMona (
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Keep. This is a notable society publishing a high-impact value journal. As to the text, massive rewriting is undoubtedly required.
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Keep. As pointed out before: It is a notable scientific society. It is publishing a scientific journal with an impact factor, therefore the journal itself is notable. --
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The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 16:26, 23 November 2014 (UTC)reply
*Comment - I have no clue what counts as notability in names. I did find passing mentions in several books (
1,
2,
3), etymological dictionaries mostly.
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Keep as a surname page. There are three people who are sufficiently notable, as well as several others of questionable suitability, one or more of whom may will show up for Afd. I've removed some claims, e.g. no Jacox is listed as a signer of the Declaration of Independence,
[13] nor can I find anything that says William Jacox was called "The Father of the Navy". Also, rename as
Jacox and add a hatnote for
Jacox, West Virginia and possibly Jacox Elementary School in the
Norfolk Public Schools.
Clarityfiend (
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Keep - This is actually better than the majority of "surname" articles, having some cited background information. Clarityfiend's editing has cut out the dross. Re: the nominator's concerns, it seems to be widely accepted that "surname" pages like this are allowable, providing any information is cited and any entries in the name list link to a valid article.
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A notable (?) wikipedian / academician / minor politician biography. It has next to no references, certainly nothing to suggest the subject got any attention from media for any of his roles. Google Scholar profile at
[14] does not seem, I believe, to warrant passing
Wikipedia:Notability (academics), but there are better experts than me who can comment on this. Being a member of a (minor) party certainly is not enough to make him pass the "elected politicians/officeholders" threshold.
Ego Hunter (
talk) 08:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep — A quick look at the
German version of this biography shows many additional sources and seem to clearly indicate
notability. I don't speak German but I'm under the impression that
Die Zeit,
Der Spiegel, and
Cicero (magazine) are among the most reliable sources in the German language and are globally recognized. Based on my read of the automatic translations, it sure reads like all three have published profiles and/or interviews with the subject. I've added these references to the article. The English article was in a bad shape, but a simple look at the German version would have shown that it could be improved and kept.
Ego Hunter is right that this probably does not meet
WP:PROF#1 but clearly does meet the
WP:GNG.
This nomination is by an acknowledged
WP:SOCKWP:SPA created to nominate biographies of Wikipedians and Wikimedians for deletion. I've detailed some reasons for concern on
the nominator's talk page and, after their pattern of editing was recognized, the nominator has admitted and defended their campaign and use of a
WP:SOCK on their
user page. So far, 5/5 closed AfDs by this nom have been decisions to keep and several have trivially uncovered reliable sources, major awards, etc. Because I've seen no evidence that this nominator is following
WP:BEFORE, this smells me to as
WP:POINTy behavior and I think this is a borderline speedy keep under
WP:SK#2b. —mako๛ 05:29, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. If we have sufficient
WP:GNG notability then we don't need
WP:PROF. The Zeit story doesn't really have much in-depth coverage of the subject — it is more an interview with him about something else — but the Spiegel profile is convincing. And the Taz and Cicero pieces seem nontrivial enough in their coverage of the subject (and his blog) that I think we have the "multiple sources" part of GNG. —
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Article about a sculptor sourced only to an online CV. I can't see any independent news coverage about him. Speedy deletion template was removed with no explanation. Fails
WP:GNG and
WP:ARTIST as far as I can see.
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Keep I added some more info and references. I did find an art dealer's catalog where one of his sculptures was listed at a price of 20K-30K pounds, which seems considerable, but I wasn't sure it would be a viable reference.
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Keep - Seems to meet
WP:ARTIST 4: "The person's work... has become a significant monument" due to creating "Armagh City's first commissioned public artwork" (per the BBC). Has created several other publicly-displayed sculptures too, as evidenced by the article. It's a little borderline, but I'm inclined to favour retention in this case.
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The result was Delete. Despite the small amount of participation in the discussion, there is a clear consensus to delete, and it is not necessary to let it run for a full second week as the article qualifies for
A7 speedy deletion anyway. The editor who uses the pseudonym "
JamesBWatson" (
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Delete. My search for sources yielded nothing to suggest this musician meets the notability guidelines set out either
WP:MUSIC or
WP:GNG.
Dylanfromthenorth (
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Comment. Creator of article has a username that implies affiliation. --
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No indication of what makes her notable - she is just another prison guard. If there was something she was infamous for I would change my mind
Gbawden (
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Delete, perhaps speedily. Would have tagged it as such if you hadn't posted it here. Lots of people were involved in WW2; very few of them need an article. The fact that she is/was a female guard in WW2 is irrelevant and doesn't itself confer any notability. Deadbeef 07:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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1) Incorrect spelling of name, 2) no other Joshua B. Boltons on English Wikipedia (note we have a
Josh Bolton but with the middle initial W). Completely unnecessary would-be dab page.
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Delete as useless. Deadbeef 07:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete useless dab. No other Joshua B Bolten/Boltons on here. --
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Recently tagged as a hoax, I agree given lack of RS coverage (except for
[15], but even if they exist most of the information in the article appears to have been made up). The "smoking gun" here characterizing this as a hoax is that almost all Google results are Wikipedia mirrors. There's apparently also a business in Australia called Zarzov Brothers
[16] which appears to be unrelated to these "radio hosts".
Everymorningtalk to me 04:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. If it can't be established that it's not a hoax, it's clearly gotta go. —
Swpbtalk 15:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete not notable--
Mevagiss (
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Delete - no significant coverage to prove notability. Note that these are common joke names used by some
amateur Aussie comedians - Blewy Zarzoff = Blew his arse off, Bernie Zarzoff = Burnt his arse off, and plenty more brothers with similar bad puns for names.
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Non notable company, and promotional article. The refs, although some are in usually reliable places, seem to amount to well-placed slightly disguised PR. DGG (
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Delete per arguments of Piotrus and Oiyarbepsy. Sources connected to the subject count for nothing when trying to establish notability, and the indication of paid editing is disturbing. —
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The result was delete--
Ymblanter (
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Although there are 21 citations, almost all of them are to the article-subject's website, blogs, forums and other low-quality sources.
This source looks to be in German maybe? I have skimmed it and the only mention of Himezawa appears to be in the caption of the image.
CorporateM (
Talk) 02:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. The reliability of the sources is very poor; I am not seeing anything from mainstream sources - blogs, primary sources, etc. At best, it's the "too soon", at worst it's another vanity piece of a social media wannabe-star. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Delete Nothing in the article seems to rise to the level of RS. I tried a Google.de search and all I found were also non-reliable or self-generated sources (aside from a notice some have been removed under the Right to be Forgotten thing). It looks like this person is known in a rather small niche and has not had any significant coverage in mainstream media. §
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The result was delete.
Wizardman 03:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Non notable minor league player. Previous afd closed as keep due to the old guidelines saying his playing in Venezuela was notable.. No longer the case.
Spanneraol (
talk) 01:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete 36 year old who had a decently long, but not notable, playing career. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 16:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep This is the guy I was thinking of when I said participation in the Caribbean Series had been rationale to keep. Who knew it was three years old. Anyway, I'm going to apply a little flex to WP:BASE/N and throw a keep his way, but I fully anticipate being the only keep here.
Alex (
talk) 19:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
That was also from before the guidelines were changed and tightened.. I dont think the "national team" qualifier was in there previously. And like i said before, that Caribbean Series (like the asian series) is a club level competition that does not involve national teams so it doesnt meet the requirements of WP:BASE/N.
Spanneraol (
talk) 19:44, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
And as I said before, guidelines are guidelines which means they have flexibility.
Alex (
talk) 20:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Caribbean Series doesn't count for BASE/N, and nor should it. This person has no sourcing, and your reasoning has no logic. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 20:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Today I flushed a public toilet that someone hadn't flushed earlier. Constantly telling people they're wrong and that they make no sense and what they say has no logic to it makes just as much sense as what I just said. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make you right.
Alex (
talk) 02:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
He also has a couple other unique/semi-notable things going for him: He was suspended for steroids and he spent 4 years at Triple-A. I found these links for those interested:
[17],
[18],
[19],
[20].
Alex (
talk) 07:45, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete not notable despite Caribbean Series.--
Yankees10 22:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete does not meet notability--
Mevagiss (
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Delete not notable despite Caribbean Series.
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Weak Delete Nine-year minor league veteran, three years at Triple-A, starting pitcher. You'd think he'd have at least some coverage. But there wasn't a ton. Still, I dredged up enough to merit a weak delete, rather than an outright 'delete':
[21],
[22],
[23],
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The result was Delete.
Michig (
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Delete not notable.--
Yankees10 02:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. BLP with no RS, and no more notability than the last time it was deleted. Salt if recreated again. —
Swpbtalk 15:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete So Alex recreated this based on a deleted article, using only his BR page as a source. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 15:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Pretty much, if you're a reliever in the minors, you're probably not going to get too much action in the majors. Or any coverage, anywhere.
Alex (
talk) 05:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
(
edit conflict)Delete To be fair to Alex, he was the one who nominated this article for deletion the first time. I doubt he was trying to be defiant by re-creating it. Nevertheless, the article is an effectively unsourced BLP about a minor leaguer who's never played above AA. Google does not indicate that Casilla could pass GNG.
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The result was Delete.
Randykitty (
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keep it is true that the article was written but a paid editor but it has now been well worked over and the person has sufficient notability. article is fine.
Jytdog (
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TLDR and not appropriate
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In response to this nomination for deletion, i would like to note that although i am a paid editor, the article is not promotional because it is written factually and in compliance with Wikipedia rules for neutrality. Secondly, the subject complies with the rules for notability
WP:MUSICBIO as follows:
1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries YES, Khalilah fulfils this criteria as she has been featured in multiple Caribbean newspapers[2] and has been on the cover of 2 Caribbean Magazines; Jus Jah [3] and on L3 Magazine[4]
2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart [5]
7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city: YES She has been recognized as the new face of roots reggae and is the current face of YEROC eyewear [6], [7]
8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award: Khalilah Rose has been nominated for 5 Linkage Reggae Music Awards and won 1 [8][9]
10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc YES Khalilah Rose's song was used in a Law and Order episode[10]
According to Wikipedia
WP:MUSICBIO "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria"
As i have just proven, Khalilah Rose more than meets just 1 of the criteria and as such should not be the subject of a nomination for deletion. Thank you
Lilianarice (
talk) 00:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment I think the "logic" of the person who was paid to create this article is questionable. For example, there has been no single on a national music chart. There was a single on a specialized chart for one radio station. There is no evidence that she is the most prominent representative of anything. There is no evidence that the Linkage Reggae Music Award is major. Also, there is no reliable evidence that a song was included in Law & Order, and just being brief incidental music rather than a theme song or a performance would not satisfy
WP:MUSICBIO. I am just getting started. This is the problem with paid editors, they create extra work for the unpaid editors, in this case by distorting reality to align with their financial incentives.
Logical Cowboy (
talk) 01:17, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
very very unhelpful. hatting
Jytdog (
talk) 01:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I apologize for my ignorance, i thought the idea of this project was for all users to respond and show proof for keeping the article. My first comment was tagged as
WP: TLDR I have re-written this and reduced the words. 1. YES, Khalilah fulfills the criteria of notability as she has been featured in multiple Caribbean newspapers [1]
2. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city: YES She has signed on to represent YEROC Eyewear [2], [3]
3. Has won or been nominated for a major music award: Khalilah Rose has been nominated for 5 Linkage Reggae Music Awards and won 1 [4][5] Thanks
Lilianarice (
talk) 02:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete as promo crap that belongs elsewhere - There's plenty of ways to "advertise" a singer and this sure as hell isn't one of them. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 03:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Borderline What I've found so far: The Music Industry Achievers award is a joke, with a website allowing you to place votes when voting ended in may, and they actually cancelled their 2014 awards program, something respectable shows only do in emergencies. I can't find an online presences for New York Reggae Awards or Linkage Music Awards, aside from some YouTube clips of the latter, and it seems odd for any kind of high profile award not to have its own website, which indicates to me that these awards are not high profile. The primary source, the Jamaican Star, describes her as an up-and-coming artist, and not even a household name in Jamaica. The 2011 Gleaner reference is similar, more of a human interest story. The 2013 Gleaner describes her as reaching number one on some radio charts in Argentina, so a decent notability claim. The Vision newspaper is an interview, so it doesn't speak to notability either way. So, I'm on the fence, a very borderline case. Give it a couple years, and she'll probably meet notability, but I don't think she's quite there yet.
Oiyarbepsy (
talk) 04:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - I'm perhaps not as convinced as my colleague
Jytdog but I can see where he's coming from. At the end of the day, though, this is just promotional nonsense, dressed up as a Wikipedia article. All of the biographical information is from a single local newspaper article of unknown provenance (without attribution) which, as pointed out above, describes her as "up-and-coming". If you're up-and-coming in your own backyard, you're unlikely to be notable to the extent that you'll meet our inclusion criteria. Gleaner is the Star with a different name (same company) - they are one source. I'm not convinced by any of the "awards". At the end of the day, this seems like an attempt to promote the subject rather than to build a Wikipedia article based on significant coverage from legitimate sources. I'm probably with
Oiyarbepsy here - just
WP:TOOSOON. St★lwart111 06:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete promotional article by promotional editor who is continuing her promotional campaign here (and attempting a canvassing campaign as well). For example, there has been no single on a national music chart. There was a single on a specialized chart for one radio station. There is no evidence that she is the most prominent representative of anything. There is no evidence that the Linkage Reggae Music Award is major. Also, there is no reliable evidence that a song was included in Law & Order, and just being brief incidental music rather than a theme song or a performance would not satisfy
WP:MUSICBIO.
Logical Cowboy (
talk) 13:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep I have not tried any canvassing campaign, i sent out a neutral invitation to those that edited the article so they could chime in their views. I understand your angst against me given that i misunderstood your "payment joke" as well as the vehement objections to paid editors however please do not misrepresent me in this and please judge the article on its own merits. The artist has been covered in both the Jamaica
Gleaner and the
The Jamaica Observer which are the country's oldest and second oldest national Publications. Other newspapers where she has been published like on the Jamaica Star are also owned by the Gleaner company so have that credibility. They are all legitimate sources given that they are the country's top newspapers. Additionally as the article i sourced shows, the artist has signed on to represent YEROC Eye-wear which is a reputable brand ref>
http://jamaica-star.com/thestar/20130308/ent/ent5.html</ref>, [6] so yes she is a prominent representative of something Thank you
Lilianarice (
talk) 15:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete; while this article lacks reliable sources and general notability, this is also very one-sided and biased, as well as promotional.
Epicgenius (
talk) 21:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. Putting the alleged paid editing aside, the coverage from Jamaica's two major national newspapers is probably enough to satisfy
WP:GNG. In addition to the sources cited in the article, there are also these two:
[25],
[26]. --
Michig (
talk) 07:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete paid spam of the absolute worst kind. Wikipedia is not a means of advertising.
Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep. Despite some concerns about the paid editing, the artist seems to meet the WP criteria defined in
WP:MUSICBIO. There is multiple coverage of the artist in secondary sources and the music has received significant attention. The fact that she, or the newspapers in which she is mentioned, are not so much known amongst the mostly western public editing WP should not be of influence. --
Reinoutr (
talk) 13:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Even the sources given
[27] clearly state Rose is not yet a household name in Jamaica and another describes as rising .As pointed out by
Oiyarbepsy the awards are not from a major or reputed organization.She clearly fails
WP:GNG and
WP:MUSICBIO now even at best it is
WP:TOOSOON.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
talk) 13:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Fair enough, but in full, the source states "Although Rose is not yet a household name in Jamaica, her music has spread far beyond the shores of her island home. As a result, she has made numerous appearances on events in Europe, Africa, Brazil, Israel and North America.". I can see your point, but I am giving this one the benefit of the doubt for now. --
Reinoutr (
talk) 16:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
I had searched but could not find Reliable source about her Europe, South Africa, Brazil, Israel and North America Media about her all sources are Jamaican and even they only state she is a rising or
upcoming singer and hence not notable at present .Anyway I leave to the closer.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
talk) 16:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result was Delete.
Michig (
talk) 07:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment: as far as I can see, the paid editor
(Lilianarice) has made 3 edits to the article, I'd hardly describe her as the 'article writer'. Most of the time she requested the edits on the article talkpage and another editor did the work, which is pretty much by the book.
Dylanfromthenorth (
talk) 00:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - Regardless of paid editing issues, the current sources are very weak, and if better sources are out there, I couldn't find them.
Grayfell (
talk) 01:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Weak Keep Yes, big COI problem. I've taken a lot of hype out of the article. I think the article subject does, just barely, pass
WP:MUSICBIO, with two recordings on a major, or at least reasonably established, label. AllMusic verifies those recordings. He did place in a major music competition, again, just barely (score 7.00, cutoff 7.00). Close call. This is classical; everything is smaller and lower-key than in pop.
John Nagle (
talk) 01:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment:In response to this nomination for deletion, the article does NOT fail
WP:MUSICBIO because the rules are that A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria. Carmine Miranda does successfully meet those criteria in that:
1. He has been published 2 times in Fanfare Magazine [
BACH: Six Cello SuitesFanfare Magazine Issue 36:5 (May/June 2013) May 1, 2013] which meets rule # 1: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works. Unfortunately you have to pay in order to access the articles however you can also read them on the artist's website for free.
Once again, i reiterated in regards to this competition that it is scored from 1 to 10 and the artists are judged individually to assess their skill. So a 7.0 is not "barely" making it when you consider that it merits an awards and many walked away with only mentions for participation. I only ended up editing the article after declaring COI because
John Nagle wrote that he placed last in the competition which was not true or neutral These cited references should show you that the subject Carmine Miranda does fulfill notability requirements. Thank you
Lilianarice (
talk) 01:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep Sorry don't mean to keep commenting. Just want to provide more sources since
Grayfell said he couldn't find any. Here are articles were Carmines's work has been reviewed or interviewed[
Have Cello, Will Travel: A Chat with Carmine MirandaSeen and Heard International May 4, 2014]. Music in Cincinatti has done several articles of Carmine's work.
[28][29][30]. Lastly Music web also reviewed his latest album.
[31]. Please understand that the classical music scene is not as big as pop music and for cellist even more so. However, given this, Carmine does meet the notability requirements and his article can continue to be improved upon with time as he does more work. Thank you
Lilianarice (
talk) 01:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Some of those might be usable, but most of them seem like
Wikipedia:Bombardment. I didn't say I couldn't find any sources, I said I couldn't find any that were better than what's already there, which is still mostly true. Musicincincinnati.com appears to be a
blog with one author and no editorial oversight. Allmusic is a routine listing which fails to establish notability. Are those labels classified as major? Maybe, but I think that's up for debate. Fanfare is significant but I'm not sure it's important enough to trump the article's other problems. Still, it's the only source that causes any second doubts. Neither Seen and Heard International, nor Musicweb International appear to me to be
WP:RS.
Grayfell (
talk) 02:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete as promo crap that belongs elsewhere - There's plenty of ways to "advertise" a singer and this sure as hell isn't one of them. –
Davey2010 •
(talk) 03:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete per Greyfell's analysis of sources and despite Lilianarice's longwinded (paid) promotionalism on this page. I would add that one of the main sources, from RMTV, is
WP:UGC "based soley upon the information submitted to us by the artists and their representatives."
Logical Cowboy (
talk) 03:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete - despite the proponent's claims to the contrary, the article is very poorly sourced; a combination of local blog-style "my favourite song" type stuff and passing mentions of the subject in list of things that aren't enough to substantiate notability. The editor in question needs to stop editing articles where she has a conflict of interest. It isn't working. St★lwart111 06:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment. I would like to note that as the page stands right now i haven't really been able to make improvements in its "promotional" content or lack of sources. I only was able to add the new album and change the IBLA competition wording but couldn't do more since i have COI. I would like to work on improving the page and make it non-promotional as well as to add other citations such as the review by Naxos of America
[32], and the one by Cleveland Talent Magazine
[33]Lilianarice (
talk) 10:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Don't bother - more un-attributed user-generated content and promotional advertising. I don't think either would be considered a
reliable source. St★lwart111 11:19, 17 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete Lack of
WP:RS for this article. --
Artene50 (
talk) 01:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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