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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 00:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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There are only three sources, two of which are reviews of media parodying the phrase. Recycle It, Don't Trash It! was previously deleted, so I don't see why this should stay. Most Horizontal Primate ( talk) 23:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Just doing a cursory Google search on both news and books shows this phrase popping up a lot, and because it was coming from the Advertising Council of the DOJ so there's gov't documents on it. Books are showing a lot of hints more than just passing mention (there's connection to McGruff here as well), so there would need to be a more thorough review of print sources that can easily support why this campaign and any effects that it had to reduce drug use by game players. -- Masem ( t) 06:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Merge into American Amusement Machine Association which appears to be notable and should be recreated with proper sources. It seems to have been primarily behind adding the slogan to arcade games. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 14:31, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Did you not google the topic before nominating it for deletion? There's tons of sources out there waiting to be pulled. This phrase is arguably one of the most famous phrases in gaming history. This should not be even nominated. Bluedude588 ( talk) 16:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:04, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not sufficiently notable fictional character. "Elfhelm" has a bunch of Google scholar hits, but all but two are either for an ancient Briton or a different, apparently unrelated, fictional character. Of the two sources I could find, one is a list of names titled "Spell Checking the Lord of the Rings" (not in-depth) and the other source doesn't appear to be enough to pass WP:GNG. Hog Farm ( talk) 22:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Given two consecutive relists with no further discussion, I feel we're at a point of no consensus given the requirements to do a third relist. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:40, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence of any notability for this film. Neither of the two refs are RS (IMDB and MUBI.com. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   21:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:42, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No news found of this film in google Memon KutianaWala ( talk) 16:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:42, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Tolkien concept so obscure not even Google can find information on it. Basically no in-universe notability, really none the real world. Hog Farm ( talk) 22:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 00:24, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Article about a businessperson that fails WP:ANYBIO. The sources provided are not satisfactory, the only reliable sources and publication about the subject is about his death, the rest are his name being listed on directories nothing more.

Also it was created by a blocked user. Lapablo ( talk) 22:24, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:43, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails GNG and bordering on PROMOTION. Another registered trademark (look at the first reference [1]) "breed" which is reality is a line of crossbreds marketed for the promotion of a business’s (puppy farm) product. I can find only one RS on Google with only a mention and scant information, the remaining Google hits are the usual "owners guides" and "complete owners manuals" from the same authors that pump out identical books retitled for every designer crossbreed imaginable. Cavalryman ( talk) 21:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable subject with dubious ( WP:PROMO) creation and contribution history. Also true for the article on their film series, In the Tracks of. Both fail WP:GNG and the film fails WP:NFILM.

Accordingly, I am also nominating the following related pages:

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 20:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV, WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 17:53, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Goncalves, Marcus (1999). IP Multicasting: Concepts and Applications. New York: McGraw Hill. p. 368. ISBN  0-07-913791-1. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    2. Malik, Om (1998-05-13). "Online broadcasting". Forbes. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    3. "US Desktop Video Conferencing Market 1994-1999". Mountain View: Input. 1994. p. V-9. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    4. Miller, C. Kenneth (1999). Multicast Networking and Applications. Reading, Massachusetts: Addison-Wesley. pp. 118–120. ISBN  0-201-30979-3. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    5. Bunzel, Mark J.; Morris, Sandra K. (1994). Multimedia Applications Development: Using Indeo Video and Dvi Technology (2 ed.). New York: McGraw Hill. pp. 76, 223–224. ISBN  0-07-043300-3. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    6. Varon, Elana (1998-08-30). "Customs will use StarLive for broadcast". Federal Computer Week. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    7. Schroeder, Erica (1992-10-05). "StarWorks spreads video across LANs". PC Week. 9 (40). Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    8. Hambeln, Matt (1996-12-23). "Bloomberg TV has digital take". Computerworld. Vol. 30, no. 52. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    9. Lapolla, Stephanie (1996-09-30). "StarWorks is born for NT". PC Week. Vol. 13, no. 39. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    10. Streeter, April (1992-09-28). "Starlight video server for Macs, PCs: 486-based system delivers QuickTime". MacWEEK. Vol. 6, no. 34. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    11. Chernicoff, David P. (1993-03-01). "StarWorks taps 10BaseT LANs to provide multiuser video". PC Week. Vol. 10, no. 8. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    12. Schwartz, Jeffrey (1998-08-03). "Marriage Brings Video Apps Under One Roof". InternetWeek. No. 719. UBM plc. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    13. Thompson, George A. (1995-12-01). "Battle of the networked stars". HP Professional. Vol. 9, no. 12. 1105 Media. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    14. Caulfield, Brian (1998-06-08). "Selling the Government On Streaming Content". Internet World. Vol. 4, no. 21. Penton. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    Sources with quotes
    1. Goncalves, Marcus (1999). IP Multicasting: Concepts and Applications. New York: McGraw Hill. p. 368. ISBN  0-07-913791-1. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The book notes:

      Starlight Networks

      Starlight Networks' challenge was to provide full-motion video and multi-media applications to desktop PCs, using existing hardware, without slowing down the network or interfering with other mission-critical applications.

      To accomplish that, the company developed a data streaming software that provides guaranteed delivery of live or stored full-motion video, audio and animation to desktops without sacrificing network speed or capacity. It is possible to run multimedia applications and video-enhanced web pages from services quickly and reliably without downloading.

      Starlight Networks understands the technology required to guarantee delivery of full-motion video to solving the problems inherent in this effort. Users are demanding access to mixed media applications on an unprecedented scale. These applications may generate enough audio/video traffic to overwhelm an unprotected local area network.

      Starlight Networks offers powerful software packages that enable organizations to stream on-demand video, live broadcasts and multimedia applications to hundreds of desktops across existing networks:

      The book then discusses StarLive, StarCenter, StarCast, and StarWorks.
    2. Malik, Om (1998-05-13). "Online broadcasting". Forbes. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The article notes:

      As the chairman of Starlight Networks, a Mountain View, Calif.-based software company, Long has never lost sight of his main objective--to develop streaming products for corporations like Boeing, General Motors and Bloomberg.

      ...

      Long and Starlight cofounder Charlie Bass (who also started Ungermann-Bass, one of the first Ethernet companies) pitched the concept to venture capitalists.

      Basing his technology on MPEG1 and MPEG2 video, Long and Bass came up with a proprietary technology to achieve high-quality video streaming. (MPEG--Moving Pictures Experts Group--is a standard for compressing video, and MPEG-2 is used in DVD movies.)

      Excited VCs pumped in $2 million in seed money, and over the next six years the company raised an additional $20 million in five rounds of funding from VCs like Sequoia Capital, InterWest, Access Partners and Star Ventures.

      ...

      The company has developed a $50,000 software package dubbed StarWorks. The software has already won widespread support. There are 300 companies--100 of which are already clients and 200 that are testing Starlight's software to stream video over their networks.

      ...

      The financial services industry has also embraced Starlight with open arms, representing almost 50% of the company's sales. (Government and education sectors come in a close second and third.) Brokerage firm SmithBarney is going to replace its hoot-and-holler trading system with Starlight's software--a contract that could be worth a couple of million dollars for a company which did upwards of $5 million in sales in 1997.

    3. "US Desktop Video Conferencing Market 1994-1999". Mountain View: Input. 1994. p. V-9. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The report notes:

      This report and related research is part of INPUT's Market Analysis Program (MAP). This program provides market research, reports, consulting and recommendations to the management of leading vendors in the information services industry and to information systems functions of user organizations.

      The report notes:

      9. Starlight Networks Inc. StarWorks Release 1.7 networking software

      Starlight Networks' products allow for real-time storage and network management of digital video applications.

      Its current technology includes video application servers, based on a client/server platform configuration that allows up to 40 simultaneous users to share full-motion, full-screen video applications. It also supports a variety of network configuration and video content.

      The recent StarWorks upgrade provides users with up to 50Mbps of video/audio streaming capacity and adds bandwidth reservation, which is designed to improve throughput to multiple users. This will provide desktop users with Ethernet links as much as 1.2Mbps throughput. This will require, however, an FDDI backbone between the StarWorks server and an Ethernet switched hub.

      The company's technology, as it continues to evolve, will be complementary to store and forward digital video applications, broadcast video and eventually desktop video conferencing over LAN/WAN network configurations.

    4. Miller, C. Kenneth (1999). Multicast Networking and Applications. Reading, Massachusetts: Addison-Wesley. pp. 118–120. ISBN  0-201-30979-3. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The book notes on page 118:

      Besides the giants of the Web, Microsoft and Netscape, smaller companies such as Icast, Precept Software, Starlight Networks, and RealNetworks have been formed in the last few years to address real-time multimedia applications.

      ...

      *Starlight Networks was acquired by PictureTel in July 1998.

      The book notes on page 119:

      Today, Paribas uses streaming video from Starlight Networks to enhance its information delivery.

      ...

      In a piilot application, live feeds of Reuters and Bloomberg television are delivered directly to traders' desktop computers via Starlight Networks' streaming video software and multicast IP. As a consequence, traders no longer have to leave their desks to watch these broadcasts in a viewing room. Rather, they can keep abreast of late-breaking financial news and their investment portfolio activity simultaneously.

      ...

      On February 17, 1998, Starlight Networks announced that Smith Barney, the United States' second largest retail brokerage firm, was implementing its StarCast software. The adoption represented an innovative move by Smith Barney to deliver real-time, video-based financial information to approximately 11,000 financial consultants and managers at nearly 500 remove branch locations across a satellite network. Smith Barney advisers will be able to receive live information from industry and market analysts directly on their desktop workstations; in the future, they will have access to commercial video feeds, custom-developed reports, and multimedia training material.

      The book notes on page 120:

      Smith Barney has been working with Starlight Networks for six months to complete the prototype system. The video rollout started in the second half of 1997. The primary video content will consist of analysts' daily briefings, which will be delivered directly and in real time to the desktop. A video encoder running StarCast Multicaster will send the feed to local desktops at the New York headquarters and retransmit the feed via Smith Barneys' satellite network. At each receiving location, a video server running StarCast Recaster will then take the feed and multicast it to all local desktops. Financial consultants will be able to remain at their desks and view broadcasts on their PC desktops through the StarCast Viewer, without disrupting other applications or feeds.

      [three more paragraphs about StarCast]

    5. Bunzel, Mark J.; Morris, Sandra K. (1994). Multimedia Applications Development: Using Indeo Video and Dvi Technology (2 ed.). New York: McGraw Hill. pp. 76, 223–224. ISBN  0-07-043300-3. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The book notes on page 76:

      StarWorks from Starlight Networks, Inc. uses a different approach to providing multiple workstations accessing video files. StarWorks, when installed on an Intel468 microprocessor-based EISA server supports up to 20 simultaneous multimedia users accessing streams of video, audio, and animation. StarWorks allows users to access video and other applications simultaneously, requiring no application modification to DOS and Windows applications, and coexists with other LAN protocols used by network operating systems.

      The book notes on pages 223–224:

      Starlight Networks is also marketing networking software optimized for the delivery of multimedia information over a local area network. Starlight combines the capability of controlling the delivery of motion video and audio files in continuous streams. In its optimal configuration, motion video and audio files are stored on a separate, high-performance file server in a switched ethernet topology, using an intelligent hub. In this way, when an application requires the higher data rate for contiguous multimedia files, the information is directed through the intelligent switch hub to the appropriate workstation. Starlight has been successful delivering multimedia data in the worst-case scenario of 20 multimedia workstations in a classroom, where all students are working on the same lesson at the same time.

    6. Varon, Elana (1998-08-30). "Customs will use StarLive for broadcast". Federal Computer Week. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The article notes:

      The Customs Service will use new video streaming technology from Starlight Networks Inc., to broadcast live over the Internet a briefing on a system for collecting information from importers. The briefing, planned for Sept. 3, will be distributed over the Internet at the same time it is broadcast by satellite.

      ...

      Observers said the Customs event is one sign of growing interest among agencies in using Internet-based video and audio technologies. "There's a tremendous amount of initial interest, at least in examining the technologies that are available, for delivering video and audio online, said Al Lill, vice president and research director with Gartner Group. He said the most prominent applications for the technology are distance learning, telemedicine and faster information dissemination.

      ...

      Starlight, which is being acquired by videoconferencing vendor PictureTel Corp., is the "most prominent firm in the industry for applications in which video quality matters, Lill said.

    7. Schroeder, Erica (1992-10-05). "StarWorks spreads video across LANs". PC Week. 9 (40). Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      Star light, star bright, what video should I watch tonight?

      Networked PC users will soon be able to ask themselves that question with the help of startup Starlight Networks Inc., which last week introduced a system that allows as many as 20 users to simultaneously access and view videos located centrally on a standard Ethernet network.

      ...

      Industry analysts said StarWorks will increase the market for networked video products.

      "The product is outstanding, and the most important thing is they took a very pragmatic approach in terms of preserving investment," said Albert Lill, vice president at Gartner Group Inc., a market-research firm in Stamford, Conn. "It explodes the myth that ATM [asynchronous transfer mode] and FDDI [Fiber Distributed Data Interface] are required to run video over a network."

      Users of the product will be "anybody who has any requirements for a visual database, anyone with complex products and extensive field service and support organizations, as well as advertising agencies and media agencies," he said.

    8. Hambeln, Matt (1996-12-23). "Bloomberg TV has digital take". Computerworld. Vol. 30, no. 52. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      At Bloomberg TV, financial news gets shown and updated continuously around the world. But all that video isn't stored on videotape.

      Instead, it is kept on Sun Solaris digital networking servers in New York, Tokyo and London and accessed with StarWorks software by Starlight Networks, Inc. in Mountain View, Calif.

      News is then sent by satellite around the world, and ends up on radio and television stations such as USA Network that are viewed by millions of people each day.

      Bloomberg TV, a subsidiary of Bloomberg LP in New York, has used the software for two years on its Sun Microsystems, Inc. servers. The company soon will upgrade with StarWorks 3.0, which was released in early December, for higher quality and speed, Bloomberg officials said.

      ...

      StarWorks allows multiple digitized news segments to be stored and retrieved at the same time over a standard Ethernet network. Television-quality video of 30 frame/sec. can be provided. StarWorks 3.0 provides recording and playback of a video stream at speeds up to 200M bit/sec.

      ...

      Starlight's competitors include Sun, Digital Equipment Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co., Oracle Corp. and IBM. But they haven't shown the working knowledge of networks that Starlight has, Ball said.

    9. Lapolla, Stephanie (1996-09-30). "StarWorks is born for NT". PC Week. Vol. 13, no. 39. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      Starlight Networks Inc. will announce this week availability of its Windows NT-based digital video management technology.

      StarWorks 3.0 is capable of delivering both live and stored audio, video and graphical media streams from a Windows NT server to hundreds of desktops simultaneously via Netscape Communications Corp.'s Navigator or Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer browsers.

      ...

      The U.S. Marine Corps depends on StarWorks field training before sending soldiers into a war zone.

    10. Streeter, April (1992-09-28). "Starlight video server for Macs, PCs: 486-based system delivers QuickTime". MacWEEK. Vol. 6, no. 34. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      Full-motion QuickTime movies may be playing soon on Macintosh Ethernet networks.

      Due next month, the Starlight Media Server from Starlight Networks Inc. will transform an Intel 486-based computer into a video application server for Macs, IBM PCs and compatibles, and Unix workstation clients. Unix-based server software, called StarWorks, will control an array of hard drives to support simultaneous delivery of QuickTime or DVI (Digital Video Interactive) video clips to as many as 10 Mac clients for about $23,000.

      The Starlight Media Server, which initially will work with 10BASE T or thin Ethernet cabling, includes the following components:

    11. Chernicoff, David P. (1993-03-01). "StarWorks taps 10BaseT LANs to provide multiuser video". PC Week. Vol. 10, no. 8. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      With its StarWorks digital video networking software, Starlight Networks Inc. is the first to provide network users with a way to piggyback on a video solution that provides the familiar 30-frame-per-second data rate without requiring a dedicated high-performance network.

      ...

      Starlight also provides a proprietary Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disks (RAID)-like data storage and management scheme that supports the high-performance data streaming necessary for maintaining a full-motion-video data rate.

      ...

      We could find no obvious flaws in the StarWorks' implementation. However, we did encounter some configuration problems, in part because of the lack of a Digital Video Interactive (DVI) standard. Most of the standards issues are expected to be resolved within the next 18 months.

    12. Schwartz, Jeffrey (1998-08-03). "Marriage Brings Video Apps Under One Roof". InternetWeek. No. 719. UBM plc. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      But PictureTel Corp., the leading supplier of videoconferencing systems, is hoping to marry the two technologies as a result of its pending acquisition of Starlight Networks Inc. PictureTel last month disclosed its intent to acquire Star-light for an undisclosed sum.

      ...

      Starlight is regarded as a leading supplier of streaming multimedia software and video-on-demand servers. The company could be just what PictureTel needs to bring the conferencing and IP multicasting worlds together, said Gartner Group analyst Al Lill.

      "Instead of going to one set of vendors to get videoconferenc-ing and another to get video-on-demand, customers will be able to go to one vendor," Lill said.

      ...

      Lill also said Starlight's streaming video technology is best suited for large-scale enterprise applications because it supports both low- and high-bandwidth connections.

    13. Thompson, George A. (1995-12-01). "Battle of the networked stars". HP Professional. Vol. 9, no. 12. 1105 Media. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      "It's a litmus test of the viability of video distribution over LANs," according to Jim Greene, analyst for Summit Strategies (Boston, Mass.). Microsoft's Tiger and Oracle's VideoServer will be eventual competitors predicts Greene, but for now the HP/Starlight combination is unchallenged. Although claiming that the solution is scalable up to HP 9000 systems, it remains to be seen because not be available until sometime in 1996 when Starlight's UNIX-based StarWorks product is ported to the HP-UX platform. In the meantime, the Intel solution will be available from HP direct and indirect channels and sold for information-on-demand, performance support and video training applications in the financial services, telecommunications and retail markets.

      Unlike HP's own MPower and InSoft's Communique! (another HP alliance), which are UNIX-based video conferencing solutions, the Starlight bundle is a video streaming technology. "They distribute information differently," explains Greene.

    14. Caulfield, Brian (1998-06-08). "Selling the Government On Streaming Content". Internet World. Vol. 4, no. 21. Penton. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      It's the job of John Downey, deputy director of information management for the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology (ACQWeb), to get information to the people at each facility responsible for buying the supplies the military needs. But when Downey decided streaming video was the way to go, he realized he couldn't rely on the kind of homogeneous high-speed networks common at large corporations.

      Instead, he turned to a combination of products from corporate intranet streaming specialist Starlight Networks Inc., Mountain View, Calif., and from RealNetworks Inc., Seattle, which dominates the market for streaming video over the public Internet. The solution Downey assembled can play high-quality video over the ATM backbone at the Pentagon's air-conditioned offices as well as get the same message through to a supply officer sweltering in a Quonset hut at a remote tropical base.

      ...

      At government facilities with access to high-speed Internet links, Starlight Networks Starlive client software runs the video, chat, and slide presentations on user desktops. At locations with slower connections, the DoD uses RealNetworks clients and a Web browser.

      ...

      Greg Tapper, an analyst with Giga Information Group, Santa Clara, Calif., said the Pentagons adoption of the technology shows that video on organizational intranets is creeping beyond the initial core of large, technology-savvy businesses.

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Starlight Networks to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was redirect to Kaho Miyasaka. (non-admin closure) ミラ P 23:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Article is unsourced and a stub. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. lullabying ( talk) 19:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 00:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable product series. Lots of sources, but lots of fan sites, press releases, and Collider, which is not always of the greatest reliability. A lot of the article is just minutiae of who all is included in each sets. Fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Products and services. Hog Farm ( talk) 19:27, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 19:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Small group with Tolkien's Edain. The Edain were already redirected to another page based on a previous AfD. The page Edain was redirected to, Man (Middle-earth), does not mention The Wise, so it's not a good redirect or merger target. Not enough notability in the real world to warrant an article specifically for this topic. Hog Farm ( talk) 19:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:00, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 18:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 18:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Subject fails WP:GNG. WP:NACADEMIC #1 is the closest shot at notability, but his h-index sits at 12 per Google Scholar, with no meaningful results on Scopus. It is important to distinguish him from Alexander L. Strehl, who appears to be a different computer scientist. The subject's bio at University of Aalen differs substantially from information available on A.L. Strehl, and his PhD is from University of Texas, while A.L.'s is from Rutgers. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:41, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 18:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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inadequate references for living person, whose career shows no notability. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 18:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Per WP:SKCRIT#1. The nominator has withdrawn their nomination and there are no other arguments for deletion or redirection. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 11:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Appears to be a hoax. Miramar and Marine traffic returns no ship by this name ever. Google returns no results other than wikimirrors Lyndaship ( talk) 18:26, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep'. Thank you to User:Pontificalibus for making sense of this situation. I gather it is one of the largest tankers belonging to China, so one of the largest in the world. User:Macaujacko provided a service by creating this article back in 2010, probably seeing extensive coverage at the time and seeing the clear notability/importance. Too bad they didn't add sources back then, but that is how things worked in Wikipedia then. And too bad it has not been further developed. Needs to be tagged and/or developed, not deleted. This is nearly an orphan, it is only linked in a "See also" from China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation article.
Obviously huge ships, oil tankers and other tankers, are important in the world, and there should be sensible coverage in Wikipedia. There is not currently sensible coverage, IMHO, because there is no overall development of a List of tankers and/or List of oil tankers, which would correspond to existing Category:Tankers and Category:Oil tankers but provide actual context. A list can/should provide sizes of the ships and year of construction/launch, and utilize overview sources about the set of tankers in the world, and it can/should include redlinks where there are gaps. Currently there is no presentation in Wikipedia about this one ship putting it into any context; a list-article is needed IMHO to provide context. And then perhaps a bunch of the smaller stub articles (and even this one possibly) could better be redirected to the list-article, actually, to provide information in context which delivers more value to a reader than info dereft of context. -- Doncram ( talk) 22:40, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of an archivist and curator, not reliably sourced as clearing our notability standards. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they have jobs -- the notability test is the extent to which their work did or did not result in them receiving coverage about it in media. But that's not what any of the sources here are: one is a Q&A interview in a specialty trade magazine in which she's talking about herself in the first person, which is not enough to make her notable all by itself if it's the best you can do; one is an article on the self-published blog of a directly affiliated organization, which is not an independent or reliable media source; one is a press release on the self-published website of her own employer, which is not an independent source (and merely mentions her name in the caption to a photograph without being about her in any non-trivial sense, to boot); and one is a press release from us, which mentions her name in the context of having given a speech at a Wikimania convention but isn't about her either, and isn't support for notability anyway as it represents a WP:CIRCULAR citation to ourselves. As always, it's not the things the article says that make a person notable enough for an article -- it's the quality and depth and independence of the sources that can be shown to support the things it says, but none of these are valid or notability-supporting sources. Bearcat ( talk) 18:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete There are certainly independent, reliable sources that verify that she is the Director General of the BAnQ (eg [4], [5], [6], [7]) - note that I am not saying that they constitute SIGCOV, though. I have been trying to work out whether other archivists, about whom there are articles, are notable based on specific guidelines, or by virtue of being the head of national archives. Some certainly meet WP:ANYBIO (like Pierre-Georges Roy) or WP:NACADEMIC (like Sarah Tyacke). I can't see any achievements of Jeff James (public servant) that would meet notability guidelines besides being Chief Executive and Keeper of The National Archives (United Kingdom). Does that position count for WP:NACADEMIC#6: "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society."? If it does, then all directors of national archives would be notable - but would that also apply to directors of state archives? as, despite being called the Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, it is actually the archives of the province of Quebec. I think I would tend to say that the position of head of state or province-level archives does not give presumed notability (per WP:NACADEMIC#6 or anything else) - perhaps being head of a nation's national archives does, though that's not being decided here. So, in this case, I would say that she doesn't yet meet any notability guidelines. She may well do so in the future, if she becomes a fellow of a learned society, receives a high-level national award, etc - but for now, it seems WP:TOOSOON. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Philips. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The main article on Philips already contains more quantity and quality of information on products and corporate structuring than this completely unsourced WP:PUFF article. Sources exist, but I don't believe they're enough to justify a separate article under WP:GNG or WP:CORPDEPTH. The only coverage I'd call significant ( here) describes how product design helped to rejuvenate Philips, which would be more appropriately integrated into the main Philips article. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 16:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Comment No objection whatsoever to the relist (certainly some discussion should take place), but for clarity's sake, the source I mentioned above as a prospect for inclusion into the main Philips article is not currently included in the Philips Design article. Other merge-worthy material is already included in the main Philips article, as far as I can tell. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 18:51, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Restored after being PROD deleted on the grounds that it is mentioned in a few telescope manuals, but I still can't find much more than that and material written by the language's creators. I remain unconviced that this is notable. Reyk YO! 17:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. It looks like this language has been discussed in detail in many reliable sources, including journal and news articles; not all are telescope manuals or from the creators. There's usable content for expansion about the language's history, structure, and current uses, so I'd say it passes WP:SIGCOV and merits a keep. ComplexRational ( talk) 03:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
I have since added some sources. While the article may remain a stub, these sources seem to demonstrate notability (they are independent, detailed, and peer-reviewed). ComplexRational ( talk) 15:58, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Lack of sources discussing the usage rather than just using the phrase. RL0919 ( talk) 18:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Article about a thing that's not really a thing. Despite the weird title, talk page discussion has identified that it's really just a bad translation of a phrase more appropriately translated as "Don't say I/we didn't warn you" -- but that's a phrase that basically everybody on earth has heard from our own mothers at some point in our lives. This simply isn't a uniquely Chinese expression or concept — it's just the Chinese-language version of a phrase that exists in many languages, and always means "You're doing something dumb, stop it or you'll be sorry". Even in a political or diplomatic context, literally any government could potentially use its own language's version of "don't say we didn't warn you" as a war threat, so even that isn't a basis for claiming uniqueness here. And this article just lists four specific examples of the phrase being used, but fails to demonstrate a reason why the Chinese version of it would be more notable than its equivalent in any other language — it sources the fact that the phrase was used, but fails to source that there's been any analysis about the usage as a topic. And per WP:WAX, the fact that an article exists on the Chinese Wikipedia is not a reason why one automatically needs to exist in English too. Bearcat ( talk) 17:23, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: I would like to emphasize that 勿谓言之不预也 is different from Don't say we didn't warn you as the Chinese term is not Mandarin, but classical Chinese. It has sources in Chinese literature. If you would like to express it mandarin Chinese (modern Chinese language today), it should be 别说我没警告过你. Different ways of expression implies different lingual atmosphere. Moreover, it is filled with a diplomatic meaning by Chinese Government. It deserves to be an article as of enough public concern, and the only issue is the right way of translation. GodCallMeGod ( talk) 17:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Its diplomatic meaning is no different in Chinese than it would be if the Canadian government used the English or French versions of the same phrase, if the American government used the English version, if the German government used the German equivalent, and on and so forth. It doesn't have special meaning in Chinese that's greater than its meaning in any other language. Bearcat ( talk) 01:24, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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As of writing this site ranks #1,566,501 in global internet engagement according to Alexa Internet and references and press coverage seem thin on the ground and non-substantial. I do not believe it passes WP:COMPANY. Uhooep ( talk) 17:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 18:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable topic. Just a bare-bones game guide list. TTN ( talk) 17:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 17:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Collection of trivial, fictional, unconnected concepts that share a similar name. There's not even a shared theme, everything from gods to ancient aliens. It should be deleted and Old One probably be redirect to Lovecraft or turned into a dab page. TTN ( talk) 17:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 09:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NAUTHOR, WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy-deleted (A7). ( non-admin closure) AllyD ( talk) 07:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG, I can't find any independent or reliable sources. Andrew Base ( talk) 16:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to List of The Outer Limits episodes. A transwiki can be done at editorial discretion; the proposed target is not part of Wikimedia so we can't apply a consensus from here to there. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 16:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Like the vast majority of Outer Limits (1995) episodes, this article fails WP:NOT#PLOT and doesn't establish WP:N, and has been tagged as such for over a decade. My previous attempts to batch-redirect such articles to the LoE were contentious (see Talk:List_of_The_Outer_Limits_episodes from 2008), and ended with my large-scale un-redirecting all episode articles. Now, I'd like to revisit this issue and again batch-redirect all of them, but I want/need a cite-worthy AfD result for the edit summary to make the redirects stick (unless, of course, individual notability is/gets established). – sgeureka tc 15:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. RL0919 ( talk) 19:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This is a production company that has had one joint-production, notable documentary. Based on my WP:BEFORE, I cannot find any reliable sources with independant, significant coverage taht shows that the production company is notable.

Of the sources:

  • 1 is an interview which doesn't mention the company, only the founder.
  • 2 & 4 doesn't mention the company, nor the founder.
  • 3 & 12 are repeated and only mentions the founder, not the company
  • 5 & 6 will not let me look at them
  • 7 is a short bio about the founder, no mention of the company
  • 8 & 10 only mentions founder, no mention of the company
  • 9 is a directory listing
  • 11 is the only reference that talks about the company, however it is only two sentences.

Notability is not inherited. The film, Forever Pure, may be notable. The founder, Geoff Arbourne may be notable (I have not done any research into that claim). However, I do not believe Inside Out Films is notable. -- Darth Mike (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:10, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Dagaba's article lacks notability. He has been a candidate for parliament and mayor and an eventual MMC (Member of the Mayoral Committee) for Finance. All these positions do not necessarily guarantee him an article, therefore it fails WP:POLITICIAN & WP:GNG. Lefcentreright Talk (plz ping) 15:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. While Joburg is obviously a large and important enough city that we would likely accept articles about its actual city councillors, simply serving on a municipal committee is not sufficient to pass NPOL. Of the 54 footnotes here, he's the bylined author of 16 of them that I've noticed so far — so that's 30 per cent of the sourcing kicked to the curb right there. (He's also likely the author of some of the others, because at least two other sources I've spotchecked are "letters to the editor" that are written in the first person, but fail to have mentioned the name "Rabelani Dagada" before they paywall me.) Several more are primary sources that are not support for notability at all, such as his faculty profile on the self-published website of a university he works for. Several others glancingly namecheck his existence in the process of not being about him in any non-trivial way. This is reference bombing, and we do not take kindly to it — the number of sources here which are actually about him, for the purposes of establishing that he would pass WP:GNG, are (a) literally in the single digits, and (b) purely local and routine and not even beginning to demonstrate a credibly nationalized or globalized claim of importance. Plus the article was created by a WP:SPA with no history of contributing to Wikipedia on any other topic but Rabelani Dagada himself — so this has all the classic hallmarks of being self-promotion even if I can't prove that outright. Bearcat ( talk) 03:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete per multiple CSD rationales as pointed out below. Eagles  24/7  (C) 16:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Failed PROD. Article is not properly cited and there are no outside reliable sources supporting such a distinction. Barkeep Chat 14:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Mr. Magoo (TV series). Stuff may be merged over at editorial discretion, as it's not clear in this discussion whether we have a consensus for a plain merge. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 16:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Unlikly this article reaches the criteria for notability; it would likely be better off in the "Characters" section of Mr. Magoo. CoconutOctopus talk 12:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#4, nominated by a banned editor. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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NO Wikipedia:Notability, basically NO sources, it even says it was cancelled to poor sales, showing its IRRELEVANCY Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#4, nominated by a banned editor. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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NOT notable, as evidenced by barely ANY sources Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:20, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#4, nominated by a banned editor. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Super Jump is NOT notable as evidenced by the almost complete lack of sources Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Also its made by User:Jump Guru so this is WP:COI and WP:Paid editing Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#4, nominated by a banned editor. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:28, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not even a SHRED of notability, laughably WP:UNSOURCED Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Also its made by User:Jump Guru so this is WP:COI and WP:Paid editing Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Any decision to rename this article may happen through the normal process. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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1990 album. Lacks SIGCOV in reliable sources and does not meet NALBUM. Author contested PROD and added sources. Here is my analysis of the sources in the current version:

  1. artist's website
  2. looks like a SPS, not RS
  3. interview with the artist
  4. may be significant coverage, but is a dead link
  5. brief mention, not SIGCOV
  6. one-man website/blog, not RS

Before I PRODed this, I looked on Google Books and could only find trivial mentions. So, at best one source that would count towards establishing notability.

If not deleted outright, it should be redirected to the artist. b uidh e 04:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: I have updated the Allmusic album review to its current location (item 4 in the analysis above). AllyD ( talk) 09:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Updated: with probably the google books reference you alluded to, he did call it a "notable record" if you cared to look DISEman ( talk) 11:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: In the analysis above, the nominator acknowledged that Brian Olewnick's Allmusic review could be significant coverage: I think it is. The album also received a (lukewarm) review by Tony Herrington in The Wire (issue 76, pages 53 & 55) and also appears to feature in the same magazine's Albums of the Year for 1990 (in issue 82/3) though my access to my copy to check what was said there has been thwarted by my just-pile-em-high filing system. Add to these the Christgau brief-mention and the Giddens review identified by DISEman and I think there is sufficient for WP:NALBUM criterion 1. AllyD ( talk) 12:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
    • OK, so we have only two sources that potentially give significant coverage: the one-paragraph review from Allmusic (not sure if that counts as significant) and the Wire review. Calling something "notable" is not a substitute for significant coverage, and two sources are usually not enough to keep an article. b uidh e 20:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Yes indeed. When I first saw this item in the AfD index I assumed it to be one of those Wiktionary vs Wikipedia debates for an article on the political term. I was surprised to find an album as the primary use. Not something to change during an AfD but if the article survives it should be given a more specific title as Phil Bridger suggests. AllyD ( talk) 15:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to 2012 United States Senate election in Tennessee. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 16:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Most likely fails wp:POLITICIAN and wp:POLOUTCOMES. Subject hasn't even held office; only major instances of received coverage are unsuccessfully running for US senate in 2012 and unsuccessfully suing the Tennessee Democratic Party for not allowing him to run for governor. Would suggest a redirect to 2012 United States Senate election in Tennessee Bneu2013 ( talk) 11:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete and redirect per nom. No evidence of having done anything else that achieved any note - David Gerard ( talk) 12:49, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and redirect. Fails WP:POLITICIAN as Clayton has only ever been a candidate and has not held national or sub-national political offices. Lefcentreright Talk (plz ping) 15:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I have to admit I am sick and tired of the SPLC being treated as a reliable source, when it throws around the label of "hate" on anyone who it disagrees with, with no regard to the general understanding that hate groups encourage actual violence. Having your own party turn against you after you get the nomination is not a sign of notability, it is a one time news event, and not enough to make you notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I'm not terribly convinced that quibbling over the definition of hate speech is the determinative issue here — queers get the final mic drop on what is or isn't anti-queer hate speech, and non-queers do not get to put us in the corner on the grounds that they somehow understand what we actually have to go through better than we do ourselves. But that's not really the determining factor: what's more dispositive here, rather, is that the sources show little evidence of enduring nationalized significance that would somehow make his candidacy more special than all the other unsuccessful candidacies in the history of politics. Out of fourteen sources total, eight are the purely expected level of local coverage that every candidate in every election can always show without fail, two more are primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, and what's left is not enough to demonstrate that he would pass the ten-year test for enduring notability. This is just not, in and of itself, enough. Bearcat ( talk) 03:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and redirect as a usual and appropriate outcome for candidates for federal office. In general, basic (and reliably-sourced) information about the candidates can be included in a page about the election. In addition, and generally speaking, an individual must meet WP:GNG outside of their campaign or receive national or international coverage that is significantly greater than normal (see Christine O'Donnell). -- Enos733 ( talk) 17:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. czar 09:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Looks like a garden variety WP:NOTYELLOWPAGES/ WP:NORG failure. Start up with coverage limited to in-passing, or press releases and their rewrites. Some unnotable awards, few mentions in list and WP:ROUTINE coverage of 'start seeks funding/startup gets funding, wants more/company does business'. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ ( talk) 01:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Unsourced since creation in Sept 2017. A previous article was deleted by PROD in March2017, then this was re-created by apparently the same editor, and has not been improved since then. An "external link" to http://www.kalungady.com was recently added and removed but appears to be "Tamil Christian site", not a reliable source or an appropriate external link. This place is shown on maps as existing, but without further sourced information the article is not an asset to the encyclopedia. The Catherine Booth Hospital makes no mention of Kalungady: its own website says it is at "Vadasery, Nagercoil". Pam D 08:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Further to nomination:
  1. Catherine Booth Hospital website giving address as "Asambu road, Vadasery, Nagercoil, Tamil Nadu", nomention of Kalungady.
  2. Kalungady is not mentioned in any other article in the encyclopedia to which this name could be redirected. Pam D 08:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - although I thank FOARP for finding the above refs, none of them indicate what type of location this is. Doesn't appear to be a legally recognized place, but rather some type of congregation or monument. Certainly none of the claims in the article are supported. As I was back in 2017, am completely willing to change to a keep if some valid sourcing showing that it passes WP:GEOLAND is uncovered, but as of yet, I'm not seeing it. Onel5969 TT me 11:11, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
The gazette and census entries show legal recognition, hence this remains a pass for WP:GEOLAND. The present state of the article is not decisive of deletion as AFD is not clean-up. FOARP ( talk) 11:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
No, they show it in use as part of an address, in both cases: the census lists "Kalungady West 1-33A" alongside "Arat Road 69-74". No indication that it is a standalone place. Pam D 08:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. The discussion seems to have started going round in circles here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Nominating this for deletion due to the subject matter not being notable by himself. Also the reference used for the article is from a unreliable source according to the Video Game Project. GamerPro64 05:08, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 23:26, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NPOL. PROD was contested on the grounds that he's a council leader and has an OBE, but neither of those grant notability. Coverage is WP:ROUTINE and just in local newspapers -- fails WP:GNG. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • An OBE is a higher honour than I have ever received, but consensus has been pretty clear that this is a lower level than that required to pass WP:ANYBIO. A CBE is debatable but usually enough to pass, and a K/DBE is certainly enough, but not lower-level honours such as OBE and MBE. Phil Bridger ( talk) 17:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. County council is not an automatic free pass to notability in the absence of evidence that he's special in some way — passing the "major local political figures" test requires a lot more than just a small handful of hits of purely routine local coverage. The article does not actually note or source that he's had "a TV documentary crew following him around"; that could maybe change the equation if the documentary were significant in some way, but isn't a guaranteed free pass just because you assert it, because even documentaries are sometimes unimportant and non-notable under our notability criteria for films. (Plus, until you name and source the existence of the documentary, we have no way of verifying whether it was about him, or just asked him a couple of questions as a speaker in a film about something else.) And as for the OBE, well, we don't have any consensus that low-level honours constitute an exemption from having to pass regular notability and sourcing standards either. Bearcat ( talk) 03:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. We do have consensus that OBEs don't make people notable. ミラ P 05:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. County council not a notable position. And Bearcat has articulated the deletion rationale well. Wm335td ( talk) 21:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Yunshui  10:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to pass WP:MUSICBIO or GNG. Deprodded by User:Paora with "has toured nationally, e.g. in NZ with NZ Opera and in UK with Glyndebourne on Tour" but is this sufficient? I don't think so, MUSICBIO suggests subject needs to receive significant coverage of such tours, and this is missing here. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Halfling (Dungeons & Dragons). There is a clear consensus that this is not a notable topic. However, those advocating delete have not explained why a selective merge is not an appropriate alternative to deletion. As such, and because this is not a vote but an exercise in consensus there is a consensus to address this non-notable topic by merging it into another article. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this passes WP:GNG/ WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN. See also arguments presented in related, and already ended with 'delete', Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Forgotten Realms deities Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • The elements do not need to be independently notable if the grouping is notable, which needs to be shown by having reliable, secondary sources discussing the topic as a group. There do not appear to be any such sources for this list topic. Rorshacma ( talk) 03:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • 'Delete or Selective Merge with Halfling (Dungeons & Dragons), as has some relevent material. N0nsensical.system( err0r?) 09:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep or merge to Halfling (Dungeons & Dragons). Personally I believe this is a notable enough topic to remain as a standalone article given the notability and popularity of the game, but even if it is not, no useful purpose is served in deleting information that can be merged elsewhere. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete- More excessive fancruft sourced mostly to primary sources. Aside from the notability arguments outlined above, this content puts way too much undue weight on fictional trivia. I suggest Wikia would be a better home for this type of content. And I'm not sure about the accusations of bad faith here: were I to suggest some editors derived malicious pleasure from diluting Wikipedia's useful content with sewage or burying it under a mountain of trash I'd be facing a pitchfork mob at ANI for sure. Reyk YO! 15:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I am sure that some people create hoax articles, attack pages, and the like for fun to upset other people, but although I can only speak for myself, I doubt very much that people create articles on fictional topics with the intention of irritating other people. BOZ ( talk) 15:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
And I'm sure that few people nominate stuff for deletion because they think deleting stuff is fun, yet accusing people of that is just fine and dandy. Reyk YO! 15:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I can't speak on the motivations of people who like to delete stuff because they think it's fun, but they've certainly been having a good time lately. BOZ ( talk) 16:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I mean, I get the good feeling of cleaning out a musty old attic full of fifty years of clutter, but the core motivation is narrowing down the scope of non-notable topics so notable topics can actually flourish. See Category:Video game characters and Category:Anime and manga characters. Compared to ten years ago, you can look at the grand majority of articles and see proper sources. There might still be some problem articles, but it's night and day compared to the hundreds upon hundreds of articles there previously. Without an effort from those project spaces, there is no way they'd be in that state today. TTN ( talk) 16:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The "delete" arguments are substantially stronger. They notably invoke WP:LISTN, which is prima facie a strong argument, because the article contains no sources independent from the companies that make the D&D game. Although there may be disagreement about how exactly to apply WP:LISTN, as Lightburst argues, the basis of any notability guideline is sourcing. To refute the arguments for deletion, therefore, the "keep" side would have needed to make the argument that specific sources exist that convey notability on this topic. They have not named any such sources, but only asserted that notability exists. These arguments must therefore be discounted as weak, as must those that do not address the notability issue at all or are pure votes. Sandstein 12:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this passes WP:GNG/ WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN. See also arguments presented in related, and already ended with 'delete', Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Forgotten Realms deities Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Like the other lists of D&D gods by fictional race, the individual entries are not notable, and there do no appear to be any substantial coverage in reliable, secondary sources that discuss the concept as a group. Thus, it fails WP:LISTN. Rorshacma ( talk) 19:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Grouping fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 19:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep or merge to Gnome (Dungeons & Dragons). Personally I believe this is a notable enough topic to remain as a standalone article given the notability and popularity of the game, but even if it is not, no useful purpose is served in deleting information that can be merged elsewhere. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete- I agree with Piotrus's arguments. This is all badly sourced plot summary that more properly belongs on Wikia. It gives far too much undue weight to fictional trivia. Reyk YO! 14:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN. Per the article talk page, this article is already the target of at least four merge and redirects from previous deletion discussions; while the individual entries may not be deserving of their own articles, mention in a list such as this should not be problematic. If the issue with this article is the degree/volume of in-world material, edit to reduce it. AFD is not cleanup. Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 04:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • CLN is not the golden ticket you’re looking for currently, especially where this list has no associated category. It only supports arguments where someone says a list should be deleted because it already has a category. It supports nothing here. This list neither establishes notability or classifies as a proper fork article. It’s simply fictional minutia that doesn’t need to be covered. There is no argument you can make that this is necessary for a general reader’s comprehension of the topic. This is fan specialty information. TTN ( talk) 10:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • How in any universe does this establish notability? I disagree with but at least understand people trying to use the argument on the main deities lists, but not these piddly little hyper-focused lists. TTN ( talk) 19:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • WP:LISTN states that "one accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines". There are no such sources in the article, and no one has presented any in this AFD. In fact, all other mentions of WP:LISTN so far have all been comments on how this list fails it. If you are going to cite it as a reason to Keep, do you have any such sources to support that position? Rorshacma ( talk) 16:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Rorshacma:I am not a fan of keeping any of this rubbish, but I was referring to the LISTN guideline There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists, although non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations are touched upon in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Editors are still urged to demonstrate list notability via the grouping itself before creating stand-alone lists. Lightburst ( talk) 16:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Right, but how does this list fulfill said "informational, navigation, or development purposes"? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this passes WP:GNG/ WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN. See also arguments presented in related, and already ended with 'delete', Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Forgotten Realms deities Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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List notability states: One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been When I review the citations in this article or review search engines I see notability and coverage for D&D deities in general but also for realms-specific deities. Thus I would not expect many of these individual deities to have articles but this article seems to be the essence of what constitutes a valuable list article for an encyclopedia. In general, the nomination of the individual D&D articles for deletion have more merit than the list articles that are being deleted. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 12:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • comment Pointing to a similar article that has been deleted as a reason for deletion of an article is like an obverse of the WP:OSE argument. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 11:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
    Indeed it is! BOZ ( talk) 13:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Perfectly valid list of elements central to a significant fictional setting. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:49, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
    • It's debatable whether a list of deities is 'central' to this setting more than lists of spells or towns or such which I don't think we have anymore (if we ever had). If you see any literary (gaming) analysis that discusses the deities of Greyhawk, do let us know, but if not, it's just a POV that this is central rather than fancrufty - and overall, either way, let's face it, this is indeed "very minority interest material". -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:41, 5 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN (although I would not object to a severe copyedit of the article to reduce overall size and in-world content). Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 04:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Neither supports the existence of this list. CLN does not require lists for categories. It’s simply seen as a positive thing in general. Editors may come to the consensus that a list is inappropriate. I don’t think there’s a single notable article in the category anyway. The list fails to establish its own notability, and there is no argument on how this list helps a general reader any more than three summary style paragraphs about gods and religion in a main article. It’s content for fans by fans that belongs on a fan wiki. TTN ( talk) 12:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. What I wrote in closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dungeons & Dragons gnome deities applies here as well. Sandstein 12:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this passes WP:GNG/ WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN. See also arguments presented in related, and already ended with 'delete', Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Forgotten Realms deities Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - I have been unable to find any reliable, secondary sources discussing this grouping in any meaningful way, causing it to fail WP:LISTN. I was going to go with the selective merge as suggested by BOZ above, but looking at the target section, the bit of information that I would have suggested merging there is already present, negating the need to do so. Rorshacma ( talk) 19:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Not notable as a group. No rationale for it to be a valid fork article. TTN ( talk) 23:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • KEEP or MERGE to List of Dragonlance characters. The deities in this book are significant characters who do interact with the rest of the characters in some of the books. The main article says there are over 190 novels now. Dream Focus 12:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Perfectly valid list of elements central to a significant fictional setting. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN (although I would not object to a severe copyedit of the article to reduce the size and degree of in-game content). Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 04:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Notability for the list is neither established or inherited. CLN in no way mandates lists, so I’m really not sure why people are trying to bandwagon that as a thing. The only thing it defends is an argument that a category/list should be deleted because a list/category already exists. Even if it did, this category in particular is ready to be upmerged to the character category anyway due to its two articles makeup. TTN ( talk) 09:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Yunshui  10:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Serious concerns about the subject meeting NBIO. Does not seem to meet WP:GNG (no in-depth coverage, few mentions in passing), WP:NPOLITICIAN (City Councilman, District Court Judge; unclear whether he was a member of the Michigan Legislature since serving as a delegate to the "Michigan Constitutional Convention" is not the same as being actually elected to a position that would satisfy NPOLITICIAN) and WP:NPROF (next to no citations, most works self-published through Xlibris). Thoughts? I think this really hinges on whether we can identify more details about what position he held in the Michigan Legislature and whether it would meet NPOLITICIAN. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. I'm finding a delete consensus here as several editors believe notability is not met, one has a keep !vote, and one (Mdd) has given an indepth analysis of the sources and their limitations. However, if Mdd or some other editor wants me a copy of the article in an attempt to do a rewrite and demonstrate notability please email me and I would be happy to provide. Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:08, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:GNG, promo The Banner  talk 23:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Changed to Keep based on the (old!) article sources mentioned by MDD below. We should at least link these from the talk page, if not add them to the actual article. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 02:34, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: The Wikipedia page is indeed promotional because it is focussed on one of the idea's of this elder artists, which for some reason he wants to keep promoting. Both the page, the primary sources mentioned, and the links added, focus on promoting this one idea: the Weightless Sculpture Project.
    Now the artist is retired and the ordinary Google sources doesn't give us much to work with. However if you read the arguments of the first AfD nomination from 2006, I think those arguments still hold. This artist has initiated a series of representation in national newspapers since the 1970s, see here, and a small series of magazine articles, see here. There are at least a dozen longer articles from secondary sources with some significant coverage of his work.
    Take for example his first mayor newspaper article "Fantasiedorpen bouwen met de hele buurt" in the Nieuwe Leidsche Courant in 1971, see here. There is half a page of coverage of his "Werkgroep Speelbouw" initiative, which he started with Nout Visser. There are over the years about another dozen of similar initiatives by this artist, which drew some regional, national and international attention. All together he never had a world wide break through, but he did play some notable role in the development of the computer art in the Netherlands as artist, as teacher in several institutes, and a contractor for several museums. -- Mdd ( talk) 01:10, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete a non-notable artist who does not meet our inclusion criteria. I can only wish those criteria had been enforced back in 2006, then the project would not be so littered with not updated articles on marginal people. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete appears to have been copied form kabk.academia.edu/MartinSjardijn/CurriculumVitae Vexations ( talk) 11:29, 30 November 2019 (UTC) Note: the article cannot have been copied from that URL because it predates the existance of academia.edu. Vexations ( talk) 17:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Thanks to the links provided by Mdd, it is possible to see that there is significant coverage of this artist in NRC Handelsblad (1987 [8], and shorter in 1986 [9] and 1994 [10]); in Het Binnenhof [ nl [11], [12]; in Beeldraad (1993) [13]; and in Stroom (1993) [14]. Some of the articles mentioned by Mdd are by Martin Sjardijn, and therefore don't contribute to his notability. I would not expect someone who was active in the pre-internet years to appear in Google News, but rather in archived news sources such as those given above. It will need someone with knowledge of Dutch to add them to the article as cited sources - as they aren't accompanied by text versions of their contents, it's not possible (without a lot of effort) to use Google Translate. A quick skim does show, though, that they verify information in the article such as his training at the Royal Academy of Art, The Hague, where he also later taught (not yet in the article). RebeccaGreen ( talk) 07:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
    I'm a native Dutch speaker, so I'll have a go at explaining what is in the sources. [15] is description of a proposed artwork and interview with the artists for the occasion of an exhibition at what is now called Kunstmuseum Den Haag. The articles discusses a simulation that is run in the nl:Omniversum and explains how Sjardijn's proposal for a line in space was rejected by a funding body for art in public space and evolved into a failed proposal to centennial of the Eifeltower, a space mirror. In the interview, Sjardijn claims that "the transsimulative road that I travel has incredible potential." He's encourgaed by the response from Christo and others, and seems to think that the project can be realized for 5 million gulden (approx. € 4 M today), excluding the cost of the launch.
    [16] is an exhibition review of a group show in the Jaarbeurs to which Sjardijn contributed a work called tijd bestaat niet (en: time does not exist): " Translation: It is composed of discs that rotate against each other bearing markings that indicate the universe and an earth clock with a seconds hand. The whole makes clear that our timekeeping ceases to be logical and obvious. Moreover, the work looks attractive.
    [17] has a brief mention of Sjardijn's spacemirror in a discussion of an Bulletin Board System that provides access to an art database. "One press on the button and be my telematic lover tonight" of Lubbers himself, "Spacemirror 1986" by Martin Sjardijn or selfpromotional earring by Sander Kessels are in your own personal computer."
    [18] and [19] are of such poor resolution that the article (continued from the front page) is very difficult to read.
    [20] is a review of a commision for an artwork that is installed in a primary school. Unfortunately, it is not bylined and gives no indication of when and where it was published. On sjardijn's website, there is a link to the copy of the article with the anchot text "Stroom Journal 3 - Sculptuur voor de Buitenaardse Ruimte - 1993" I'm fairly certain that that is a reference to a publication by nl:Stroom Den Haag, an organization that provides funding for public sculpture.
    [21] is about a collective, established in 1970, that created a playground in Voorburg and mentions Sjardijn as one of the members. He provides some quotes for the article and explains how the group's starting point is participation by the youth for whom the playground is built. Translation: "Unfortunately, this method was not entirely possible with our project. The garden is not used by children from a certain neighborhood. Who should you ask for help? We have overcome this handicap by involving the young users in the construction of the sculpture."
    I can't find a discussion of his teaching in any of the sources mentioned above, but https://www.haagsekunstenaars.nl/cv/665 that he was a docent at the Royal Academy of Art, The Hague(2007–2009) and University of Amsterdam (2000–2005) Vexations ( talk) 17:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Thank you, Vexations, for the explanations and translations. As the best coverage (in terms of length, reliability and independence) is about a failed proposal for an artwork, it doesn't really satisfy WP:NARTIST, which requires the person to have "created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of ... of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". The other sources, that are reviews of works he created, don't add up to enough or probably aren't independent (so even if we could read the unreadable one, it would still not be enough to establish notability). So I have struck my Keep vote and changed to Delete. If Mdd can show other significant coverage about him and his work, not by him, in independent, reliable sources, I would be happy to reconsider. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 10:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Second comment by Mdd
After studying this case some more I have concluded, that this article is outdated. If it was up to me, the current four tags will be replaced by one tag, and the article would be kept online for a certain period for half year or so. Then it can be either improved or can be moved out of the main space. I noticed:
  1. This article has been written by the Martin Sjardijn himself and/or people close to him on the Dutch Wikipedia early 2005 [22], [23], and has been translated here by the similar people in june 2006 [24], [25]
  2. The professional artist Martin Sjardijn has had a respectable career as artist in multiple ways:
    1. As conceptual artist being one of the first to present the idea of art in space in The Netherlands since the 1980s;
    2. As a teacher at the TU Delft and The Haque art academy ;
    3. As co-founder of the notable art center the nl:Haags Centrum voor Actuele Kunst (The Haque Center for Actual Art) ;
    4. As designer with the French Group Ludic and the Dutch Werkgroep Speelbouw early 1970s;
    5. As sub contractor for the The Hague nl:Omniversum in the 1980s presenting one of the first VR animations in the Netherlands.
    6. As subcontractor for the Groninger Museum experimenting and presenting one of the first digitalized museum configurations in the Netherlands.
    7. As family man raising a son as an artist, which made a notable entrance in the art world; An another probably daughter (?) who made some interesting contributions, which was represented in the media as well; and his later partner is a notable writer as well
    8. As son of an amateur painter, whose early work and later work was exhibited in the region and draw some attention.
    9. As writer, public speaker, designer of websites and other installations he made some contributions as well.
  3. Beside the series of 25+ hits in national newspapers for 1972 to 1995 [26], and a dozen longer magazine articles on his work, this gives us enough independent secondary sources, beside the many primary sources to build a respectable Wiki article.
  4. There is not a single argument brought forward, why this artist give the circumstances should fail WP:GNG. The current article evidently doesn't give us enough information about secondary source to determine this for ourselves.
  5. The http://kabk.academia.edu/MartinSjardijn/CurriculumVitae is not that old. The http://kabk.academia.edu website seem to be online since 2010 [27]
  6. Around every source mentioned early there are indeed dozens of other sources, that either confirm or sometimes contradict the information. It would be a mistake to think, that these are not independent. The Netherlands is a small country and if artists are still alive, it is often custom to involve them one way or another. Bold statements as "Hagenaar als eerste met kunst in the ruimte" (person from The Haque the first with art in space) are on the account of the news paper and the news reporter, that wrote down his name. They are accountable here for this news, and their reputation is on the line.
A longer article about Martin Sjardijn and the development of his work will give us a unique inside in fifty years of development of the art scene in The Hague. Keeping this article on line here a little longer might be an invitation for people to go an extra mile here. this could benefit us all. -- Mdd ( talk) 00:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Mdd: you may be right, but I would imagine that most of us here (Vexations excepted) do not speak Dutch. The effective route here is to add some of those 25 sources (the in-depth ones) to the article, and then ping the delete voters above to ask them to reconsider. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
yep. Verifiable sources would be a long way to a convincing argument - David Gerard ( talk) 01:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, I'm puzzled by your claim that Sjardijn taught at the TU Delft, and it raises concerns for me about the verifiability if your other claims. Even Sjardijn himself doesn't claim that he taught there in the deletion discussion on the article about him in the Dutch Wikipedia [28] even though he discusses his teaching positions elsewhere. Can you show us the sources that support your claims? That would go a long way. Vexations ( talk) 02:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Vexations, my comment intends to give an overview of his work and impact... and I might have missed a detail or two. I for example didn't notice yet, that he was teacher of Virtual Realities at the University of Amsterdam, see here. In the Dutch article it was stated that "Op de Technische Universiteit Delft experimenteerde hij onder leiding van prof. dr. ir. Erik Jansen." The saying "onder leiding van" generally means he was employed there. -- Mdd ( talk) 02:55, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, Sorry, no an uncited statement in the Dutch Wikipedia (the claim is pretty much a verbatim copy of his CV, which also says "Op de Technische Universiteit Delft experimenteerde hij onder leiding van prof. dr. ir. Erik Jansen en ir. Jouke Verlinden met een Head Mounted Display van virtuallity verbonden met een tactile force feedback dataglove.") doesn't mean it can be reliably verified with independent sources that he taught there at all. Vexations ( talk) 03:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I guess you have seen http://www.sjardijn.com/doc/cv.html . He was teacher for five years at the Vrije Academie Den Haag, and for five years at the University of Amsterdam. The exact nature of his cooperation at the TU Delft is still unclear. -- Mdd ( talk) 03:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, Even if "the exact nature of his cooperation at the TU Delft is still unclear": Can we agree that he was not a a full professor anywhere, ever. and not assistant professor nl:Universitair docent at the TU Delft? And can we also agree that WP:PROF applies, and that the fact that he taught at the Vrije Academie and the UVA does not make him notable unless we have several independent sources that discuss his work as a teacher in-depth, and that, as it stands, we do not have these sources? Vexations ( talk) 03:49, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Vexations, Sjardijn classified his work at the TU Delft at the his Linkedin page as (his own) education using the phrases "artist in resident", "Pictor Doctus" and PD probably for Postdoctoral. This work was in the 1990s, and lots of sources from those days cannot be found online. I wonder in return if you have done the math about the assessment I gave about your 30 Nov 2019 comment? -- Mdd ( talk) 09:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, I wonder in return if you have done the math about the assessment I gave about your 30 Nov 2019 comment? I don't understand what you're asking me. On 30 November I wrote that the article appears to have been copied from his CV. What is it that you'd like me to do? Vexations ( talk) 13:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
You seemed to have assumed, that the writer of this article copy/pasted the text from the kabk.academia.edu, a website which started in 2010. The particular CV on that website will be published there after 2010. Now the Wikipedia article, we have here, was created in 2006. To be more precise, the kabk.academia.edu biography seem to be an copy of the 22 March 2021 version of the Wikipedia article. Your assumption seems to be incorrect. -- Mdd ( talk) 15:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, I think you mean 2012, not 2021. Alright, when I noticed the similarities between the CV and the Wikipedia article, I did not check the date of creation of http://kabk.academia.edu/MartinSjardijn/CurriculumVitae. I still can't tell from the web page itself when it was created, or where the text originated. The earliest version of the article that is nearly identical that I can find is https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Martin_Sjardijn&oldid=75209409. That version of the article must be older than the version I found on academia.edu because Academia.edu was launched two years later, in 2008. The academia.org version is not the source. I'll strike my claim that it is a copyvio of that particular Curriculum Vitae.
I do think it is unusual that an CV is a copy of a Wikipedia article, but I cannot prove that the CV was created first, and copied to the article. I also cannot prove that user:Sjardijn, who edited the article, is the subject. I'm failrly confident that IP 62.216.11.44, who first removed the {{ notability}} tag is Sjardijn, per "Message from Martin Sjardijn: Please have some patience, I don't know how to chat or talk with you, Dutch arthistorians will inform you soon..." in this diff and that the art historian in question is likely J.L. (Hans) Locher whose comment at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Martin_Sjardijn was posted by that same IP 62.216.11.44.
In summary: I think that Sjardijn has written or substantially contributed to his own bio. That in itself is not a reason for deletion, but it is a reason for concern about the neutral point of view, and the verifiabililty of the claims made in the article. Vexations ( talk) 17:31, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Thanks Vexations, earlier sayings and your summary gives us a common ground: There are concerns about puffery, notability and verifiability as David Gerard brought forward 3.5 months ago [29], and a conflict of interest (COI) and concerns about the neutral point of view (NPOV) as assumed here.

I think the COI-NPOV concerns are for real here. For example, in the latest updates 2017-19 we read that In 2019 he started as a novelist and he added novelist, poetry writer to the introduction. We have an artist, who is (still) using Wikipedia as his personal website to update us about his latest news.

I personally think, the initial article was to much of an explanation, and still is. It might be possible here to give a more proper description, but I think, the article should be practically rewritten from scratch. In order to do so, I think it is crucial to have a common understanding of whether or not this artist is notable of not (to be continued). -- Mdd ( talk) 12:50, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This sportsbio (of two individuals who should be at the very list split into separate pages) has some trouble passing Wikipedia:Notability (sports). Coverage is insufficient to meet WP:NBIO, and while there are claims of participation in Ju-Jitsu World Championships, the WP:REDFLAG is that this event does not appear notable enough to pass SPORTBIO qualifications. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Ju-Jitsu International Federation (JJIF) is recognised federation by International Olympic Committee. They are negotiating to be at Olympic games. They are on same level as for example Karate. They have big chance to be at Olympics especialy with ne-waza style (Brazilian jiu-jitsu). Bećirović twins are top athlete of this sport. They were participated at World Games which is I guess significant sports event. For me they are notable sportsmen. I am not a manager who is trying to put on wikipedia his clients like some pro-sport managers does. I really missed this stuff (sport jujitsu) on wikipedia and I am sure that I am not alone.S048linari — Preceding unsigned comment added by S048linari ( talkcontribs) 09:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep After going through the Martyna Bierońska article, this one follows the same path. I've checked the JJIF website and confirmed at least some of those world championship results, so I'd say WP:NSPORT and WP:MANOTE are met. I suggested at the article creator's talk page that he/she consider separate articles on them, but for now it appears that their success has always come in pairs kata so it's not an urgent issue. If there is a WP:COI issue it should be disclosed, but it wouldn't impact notability in this case. Papaursa ( talk) 03:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Papaursa. scope_creep Talk 09:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:14, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This sportsbio has some trouble passing Wikipedia:Notability (sports). Coverage is insufficient to meet WP:NBIO, and while there are claims of participation in Ju-Jitsu World Championships, the WP:REDFLAG is that this event does not appear notable enough to pass SPORTBIO qualifications. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Ju-Jitsu International Federation (JJIF) is recognised federation by International Olympic Committee. They are negotiating to be at Olympic games. They are on same level as for example Karate. They have big chance to be at Olympics especialy with ne-waza style (Brazilian jiu-jitsu). Martyna Bierońska was top athlete of this sport. She was participated at World Games which is I guess significant sports event. For me she is notable sportsman. I am not a manager who is trying to put on wikipedia his clients like some pro-sport managers does. I really missed this stuff (sport jujitsu) on wikipedia and I am sure that I am not alone.S048linari

  • Comment The results listed in the article's infobox look impressive, but I have no idea what world championships she was competing in. The recognized world championships by the International Judo Federation do not match the years and locations given nor is she listed among the 139,000 judoka at judoinside.com . There is also no mention of her at the IBJJF website, which includes results of all IBJJF world championships. Some reporting of results, especially local coverage, doesn't make the case for meeting WP:GNG. I'm not voting yet, so that additional supporting evidence for her notability can be presented. Papaursa ( talk) 02:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Upon further research I see she competed at the JJIF events (jiu-jitsu as opposed to judo). For those unfamiliar with martial arts organizations, there are often multiple ones in the same, or closely related, sport. The JJIF is focused on sport ju-jitsu and has no authority over any of the traditional Japanese jujutsu organizations. It's also unrelated to the IBJJF (the International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation founded by the Gracies). Having said all that, I think her success at the JJIF world championships is sufficient to show WP notability. It would have been much better to have specified the organization right from the start. Papaursa ( talk) 03:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Thank you. IBJJF have different focus. They organise competitons for Pro-Teams. Grapplers there are representing their teams (fighting clubs) not a country they are from or live. JJIF is main governing sport body for sport jujitsu and its competition of nations. They do good job last few years (5).S048linari 08:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. It looks like uncontested claims of notability appeared during the discussion. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:31, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Advertorialized WP:BLP of a "film and television producer, writer, actor, marketing strategist, motivational speaker, life and career coach", not referenced to any evidence whatsoever of any reliable source coverage about her, and not making any particularly strong notability claims once you discount the advertorialized "most experienced and effective" fluff. And checking the article history, there has never been a better-referenced version to revert back to, either -- this has literally existed for ten full years in this garbage state, so if it can't be neutralized with legitimate sources right away it needs to go. Bearcat ( talk) 04:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The references haven't been updated and they don't support a keep. scope_creep Talk 19:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment What do you mean by not updated? Okay, I'll take a look again.— Allenjambalaya ( talk) 23:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I have also edited the article a bit. I believe that she does meet WP:NACTOR - she starred in the film Bakit kinagat ni Adan ang Mansanas ni Eba (1988) and had a significant role in the TV series Mara Clara (1993-97). A Google search shows a snippet from Asiaweek in 1988 - the parts visible through the Google search result and the snippet view read "At first, shy and retiring Beverly Vergel wanted a career in business. But the 24-year-old daughter of Philippines' "Action King" Cesar Ramirez and award-winning actress Alicia Vergel seemed destined for tinseltown. Back in Manila after her ... In one movie she is cast as an amazon, while in another she plays Eve to Adam as portrayed by comic Dolphy in Bakit Kinagat ni Adan ang Mansanas ni Eba? (Why Did Adam Bite Eve's Apple?) For the latter Beverly has discarded her tomboyish togs in favour of more vampish gear." [30] That could be added as a reference to the article, but would be more useful if we could see the whole report. I think that a report in Asiaweek would indicate that other media sources also covered her in those years, so she may meet WP:GNG as well. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 17:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The cleanup has shown that she meets WP:NACTOR. WP:NEXIST Lightburst ( talk) 18:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:14, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a writer, not supported by any strong evidence of reliable source coverage in real media and not making any particularly strong claim to passing WP:AUTHOR. The notability claims here boil down to that he and his work exist, nothing is footnoted at all, and even the external links are 3/4 primary sources that aren't support for notability -- and while the fourth link is a review of his poetry in a literary journal, one review isn't enough coverage to get an author over WP:GNG all by itself. Bearcat ( talk) 04:27, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Speedy keep to Snow Keep Early close. Professor in a named chair. (non-admin closure) scope_creep Talk 12:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:30, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Survived AfD's in 2006 and 2011 mostly because the works of the Tolkiens were considered to be enough to pass WP:GNG with nothing else to indicate notability. I turned the page into a disambiguation because there are two European municipalities named Boldog (and sending the orc article to List of Middle-earth characters but the disambiguation was undone with a note left on my talk page to get a consensus first. So I'm taking it here to AfD. Fails WP:GNG since there's no notability of this Boldog outside of the Tolkien works. Hog Farm ( talk) 04:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

  • Delete — a minor character in a minor work. It seems really wrong that Wikipedia prioritises this fictional non-entity over two real municipalities.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 04:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - The article is pretty much entirely in-universe information about a very minor character, and while it may tenuously comply with WP:GNG because the subject gets some minor mentions in works summarizing Tolkien I think based on WP:PLOT it doesn't merit a stand-alone article. MDDevice talk 05:05, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Keep to speedy keep. Clearly passes WP:NPROF. Professor at a major American university. (non-admin closure) scope_creep Talk 12:17, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Nothing here beyond what is expected of any academic. No distinctive awards, no special prizes, nothing in the popular press. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 03:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Keep to Strong Keep to Snow Keep. Early close. Shambolic Afd rationale. No need to keep it open to waste further time. (non-admin closure) scope_creep Talk 12:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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She has won no awards nor done anything of notice beyond what is expected of a working scholar. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 03:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy keep. Sigh. She's an elected fellow of the British Academy - "Election as a Fellow of the British Academy recognises high scholarly distinction". That satisfies WP:NPROF criteria 3. Please learn from this, BeenAroundAWhile. The fellowship - an award which you did not spot - was sentence three of the article. This AfD listing is either out of ignorance or malice. I hope the first, but you MUST understand WP:NPROF and what constitutes an award if you are to avoid making regrattable mistakes like this again. -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 04:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ミラ P 04:30, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not notable actress. WP:NOTINHERITED also applies. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete While her roles were slightly more substantial than those of her husband (also an AfD candidate), they were still minor and only in films made by her sons, David and Jerry Zucker. She gets some coverage in books about their films, but all that I found still revolves around her sons. Any such coverage including her would be more at home in the David and Jerry Zucker articles. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 16:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I have started adding sources and info to the article. One, an article in a Canadian paper in 1994, describes her as "this woman of 1,000 faces" - assassin's assistant, lady of lipstick, hard-eyed Wall Street banker, etc. The roles may have been small, but they were memorable. I will add more info to the article from the existing sources, and look for more sources too. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 14:48, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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She has won no awards nor done anything of notice beyond what is expected of a working scholar. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 03:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. I started the page. As a professional economist myself, I believe Cascio's work has been influential ( 1800 citations in Google Scholar is far more than is typical for our field). She has also won a minor prize (the Labour Economics Best Reviewer Award, 2014), and her work is frequently cited in publications such as The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Economist, and The Wall Street Journal. I would also like to point out that there is no such deletion proposal for her colleague, Ethan G. Lewis, who has had a very similar career.-- EAWH ( talk) 14:49, 2 December 2019 (UTC), modified at -- EAWH ( talk) 16:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep: Indeed, there is not: this is another in a string of highly questionable nominations of female academics and economists (targeting, among others, a named chair at Harvard and a Fellow of the Royal Academy) that shows a startling disinterest in WP:BEFORE, if not outright bad faith, several which have already closed as snow keeps. Ravenswing 16:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Passes WP:PROF#C1. In addition to the references already present, other secondary sources like [32] [33] [34] [35] could potentially be added. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep for WP:NPROF C1. Although this nomination is not as much of a snow keep as the previous batch on the academic AfD section, the keep case looks solid: several highly cited papers in a medium-to-low citation field, with a high total citation number. I'll point out on the minus side that she is an associate professor, which in the past has made us look a bit more carefully. I share concerns others express about the pointed-appearing nomination for deletion of female academics. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 18:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. AustralianRupert ( talk) 08:07, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Minor Tolkien character. Coverage in one article in the Tolkien Journal but not enough to pass WP:GNG. Hog Farm ( talk) 03:25, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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WP:BEFORE only reveals blog-esque magazines and online publications. Fails WP:GNG, could not find anything substantial that suggests WP:NMODEL, WP:CREATIVE, etc. –  UnnamedUser  (open talk page) 03:25, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Another minor Tolkien character. While a lot of Tolkien's characters are notable, there is not enough coverage in reliable sources for this figure. Hog Farm ( talk) 03:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Very minor Tolkien character. Little notability in-universe, none in the real world. Hog Farm ( talk) 02:58, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Deprodded for reason "seems notable enough". The article is only sourced to the Silmarillion and Children of Hurin and I can't find much in the way of actual coverage for this fellow. Since no coverage has popped up between my research before the prod and now, I'm taking Turgon to AfD. Hog Farm ( talk) 02:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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GNG fail. Directed a couple of films, but I cannot find any good sources. Tagged for notability since 2010 and for sources since 2008. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 02:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Ohio State University Press. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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WP:BEFORE reveals many sales pages but no WP:RS. –  UnnamedUser  (open talk page) 01:05, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

  • The sources do actually include several reviews of series books in major national review media (Kirkus, PopMatters, Publishers Weekly, various daily newspapers) that speak to the importance of individual titles and the series' relevance as a dedicated outlet for Latinx comics creators. These are not sales pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.146.189.95 ( talk) 20:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Coolabahapple: That the OSU Press article is a stub and doesn't mention other series, is not a reason to not include it -- if anything, that argues for other notable series with significant secondary coverage, like this one, ought to be covered. If there is a significant scholarly interest in this series, there is plenty of room for inclusion. Sadads ( talk) 13:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC) reply
agree (wondered if anyone would take the bait, you/others may trout me for being cheeky ), as penance have added OSUP series/imprints to OSUP article. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence of notability. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 00:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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FYI , I gave the gallery promotion a trim. Still a GNG fail. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 00:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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There are only three sources, two of which are reviews of media parodying the phrase. Recycle It, Don't Trash It! was previously deleted, so I don't see why this should stay. Most Horizontal Primate ( talk) 23:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Just doing a cursory Google search on both news and books shows this phrase popping up a lot, and because it was coming from the Advertising Council of the DOJ so there's gov't documents on it. Books are showing a lot of hints more than just passing mention (there's connection to McGruff here as well), so there would need to be a more thorough review of print sources that can easily support why this campaign and any effects that it had to reduce drug use by game players. -- Masem ( t) 06:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Merge into American Amusement Machine Association which appears to be notable and should be recreated with proper sources. It seems to have been primarily behind adding the slogan to arcade games. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 14:31, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Did you not google the topic before nominating it for deletion? There's tons of sources out there waiting to be pulled. This phrase is arguably one of the most famous phrases in gaming history. This should not be even nominated. Bluedude588 ( talk) 16:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:04, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not sufficiently notable fictional character. "Elfhelm" has a bunch of Google scholar hits, but all but two are either for an ancient Briton or a different, apparently unrelated, fictional character. Of the two sources I could find, one is a list of names titled "Spell Checking the Lord of the Rings" (not in-depth) and the other source doesn't appear to be enough to pass WP:GNG. Hog Farm ( talk) 22:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Given two consecutive relists with no further discussion, I feel we're at a point of no consensus given the requirements to do a third relist. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:40, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence of any notability for this film. Neither of the two refs are RS (IMDB and MUBI.com. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   21:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:42, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No news found of this film in google Memon KutianaWala ( talk) 16:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:42, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Tolkien concept so obscure not even Google can find information on it. Basically no in-universe notability, really none the real world. Hog Farm ( talk) 22:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 00:24, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Article about a businessperson that fails WP:ANYBIO. The sources provided are not satisfactory, the only reliable sources and publication about the subject is about his death, the rest are his name being listed on directories nothing more.

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:43, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails GNG and bordering on PROMOTION. Another registered trademark (look at the first reference [1]) "breed" which is reality is a line of crossbreds marketed for the promotion of a business’s (puppy farm) product. I can find only one RS on Google with only a mention and scant information, the remaining Google hits are the usual "owners guides" and "complete owners manuals" from the same authors that pump out identical books retitled for every designer crossbreed imaginable. Cavalryman ( talk) 21:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable subject with dubious ( WP:PROMO) creation and contribution history. Also true for the article on their film series, In the Tracks of. Both fail WP:GNG and the film fails WP:NFILM.

Accordingly, I am also nominating the following related pages:

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 20:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV, WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 17:53, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Goncalves, Marcus (1999). IP Multicasting: Concepts and Applications. New York: McGraw Hill. p. 368. ISBN  0-07-913791-1. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    2. Malik, Om (1998-05-13). "Online broadcasting". Forbes. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    3. "US Desktop Video Conferencing Market 1994-1999". Mountain View: Input. 1994. p. V-9. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    4. Miller, C. Kenneth (1999). Multicast Networking and Applications. Reading, Massachusetts: Addison-Wesley. pp. 118–120. ISBN  0-201-30979-3. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    5. Bunzel, Mark J.; Morris, Sandra K. (1994). Multimedia Applications Development: Using Indeo Video and Dvi Technology (2 ed.). New York: McGraw Hill. pp. 76, 223–224. ISBN  0-07-043300-3. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    6. Varon, Elana (1998-08-30). "Customs will use StarLive for broadcast". Federal Computer Week. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29.
    7. Schroeder, Erica (1992-10-05). "StarWorks spreads video across LANs". PC Week. 9 (40). Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    8. Hambeln, Matt (1996-12-23). "Bloomberg TV has digital take". Computerworld. Vol. 30, no. 52. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    9. Lapolla, Stephanie (1996-09-30). "StarWorks is born for NT". PC Week. Vol. 13, no. 39. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    10. Streeter, April (1992-09-28). "Starlight video server for Macs, PCs: 486-based system delivers QuickTime". MacWEEK. Vol. 6, no. 34. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    11. Chernicoff, David P. (1993-03-01). "StarWorks taps 10BaseT LANs to provide multiuser video". PC Week. Vol. 10, no. 8. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    12. Schwartz, Jeffrey (1998-08-03). "Marriage Brings Video Apps Under One Roof". InternetWeek. No. 719. UBM plc. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    13. Thompson, George A. (1995-12-01). "Battle of the networked stars". HP Professional. Vol. 9, no. 12. 1105 Media. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    14. Caulfield, Brian (1998-06-08). "Selling the Government On Streaming Content". Internet World. Vol. 4, no. 21. Penton. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.
    Sources with quotes
    1. Goncalves, Marcus (1999). IP Multicasting: Concepts and Applications. New York: McGraw Hill. p. 368. ISBN  0-07-913791-1. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The book notes:

      Starlight Networks

      Starlight Networks' challenge was to provide full-motion video and multi-media applications to desktop PCs, using existing hardware, without slowing down the network or interfering with other mission-critical applications.

      To accomplish that, the company developed a data streaming software that provides guaranteed delivery of live or stored full-motion video, audio and animation to desktops without sacrificing network speed or capacity. It is possible to run multimedia applications and video-enhanced web pages from services quickly and reliably without downloading.

      Starlight Networks understands the technology required to guarantee delivery of full-motion video to solving the problems inherent in this effort. Users are demanding access to mixed media applications on an unprecedented scale. These applications may generate enough audio/video traffic to overwhelm an unprotected local area network.

      Starlight Networks offers powerful software packages that enable organizations to stream on-demand video, live broadcasts and multimedia applications to hundreds of desktops across existing networks:

      The book then discusses StarLive, StarCenter, StarCast, and StarWorks.
    2. Malik, Om (1998-05-13). "Online broadcasting". Forbes. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The article notes:

      As the chairman of Starlight Networks, a Mountain View, Calif.-based software company, Long has never lost sight of his main objective--to develop streaming products for corporations like Boeing, General Motors and Bloomberg.

      ...

      Long and Starlight cofounder Charlie Bass (who also started Ungermann-Bass, one of the first Ethernet companies) pitched the concept to venture capitalists.

      Basing his technology on MPEG1 and MPEG2 video, Long and Bass came up with a proprietary technology to achieve high-quality video streaming. (MPEG--Moving Pictures Experts Group--is a standard for compressing video, and MPEG-2 is used in DVD movies.)

      Excited VCs pumped in $2 million in seed money, and over the next six years the company raised an additional $20 million in five rounds of funding from VCs like Sequoia Capital, InterWest, Access Partners and Star Ventures.

      ...

      The company has developed a $50,000 software package dubbed StarWorks. The software has already won widespread support. There are 300 companies--100 of which are already clients and 200 that are testing Starlight's software to stream video over their networks.

      ...

      The financial services industry has also embraced Starlight with open arms, representing almost 50% of the company's sales. (Government and education sectors come in a close second and third.) Brokerage firm SmithBarney is going to replace its hoot-and-holler trading system with Starlight's software--a contract that could be worth a couple of million dollars for a company which did upwards of $5 million in sales in 1997.

    3. "US Desktop Video Conferencing Market 1994-1999". Mountain View: Input. 1994. p. V-9. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The report notes:

      This report and related research is part of INPUT's Market Analysis Program (MAP). This program provides market research, reports, consulting and recommendations to the management of leading vendors in the information services industry and to information systems functions of user organizations.

      The report notes:

      9. Starlight Networks Inc. StarWorks Release 1.7 networking software

      Starlight Networks' products allow for real-time storage and network management of digital video applications.

      Its current technology includes video application servers, based on a client/server platform configuration that allows up to 40 simultaneous users to share full-motion, full-screen video applications. It also supports a variety of network configuration and video content.

      The recent StarWorks upgrade provides users with up to 50Mbps of video/audio streaming capacity and adds bandwidth reservation, which is designed to improve throughput to multiple users. This will provide desktop users with Ethernet links as much as 1.2Mbps throughput. This will require, however, an FDDI backbone between the StarWorks server and an Ethernet switched hub.

      The company's technology, as it continues to evolve, will be complementary to store and forward digital video applications, broadcast video and eventually desktop video conferencing over LAN/WAN network configurations.

    4. Miller, C. Kenneth (1999). Multicast Networking and Applications. Reading, Massachusetts: Addison-Wesley. pp. 118–120. ISBN  0-201-30979-3. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The book notes on page 118:

      Besides the giants of the Web, Microsoft and Netscape, smaller companies such as Icast, Precept Software, Starlight Networks, and RealNetworks have been formed in the last few years to address real-time multimedia applications.

      ...

      *Starlight Networks was acquired by PictureTel in July 1998.

      The book notes on page 119:

      Today, Paribas uses streaming video from Starlight Networks to enhance its information delivery.

      ...

      In a piilot application, live feeds of Reuters and Bloomberg television are delivered directly to traders' desktop computers via Starlight Networks' streaming video software and multicast IP. As a consequence, traders no longer have to leave their desks to watch these broadcasts in a viewing room. Rather, they can keep abreast of late-breaking financial news and their investment portfolio activity simultaneously.

      ...

      On February 17, 1998, Starlight Networks announced that Smith Barney, the United States' second largest retail brokerage firm, was implementing its StarCast software. The adoption represented an innovative move by Smith Barney to deliver real-time, video-based financial information to approximately 11,000 financial consultants and managers at nearly 500 remove branch locations across a satellite network. Smith Barney advisers will be able to receive live information from industry and market analysts directly on their desktop workstations; in the future, they will have access to commercial video feeds, custom-developed reports, and multimedia training material.

      The book notes on page 120:

      Smith Barney has been working with Starlight Networks for six months to complete the prototype system. The video rollout started in the second half of 1997. The primary video content will consist of analysts' daily briefings, which will be delivered directly and in real time to the desktop. A video encoder running StarCast Multicaster will send the feed to local desktops at the New York headquarters and retransmit the feed via Smith Barneys' satellite network. At each receiving location, a video server running StarCast Recaster will then take the feed and multicast it to all local desktops. Financial consultants will be able to remain at their desks and view broadcasts on their PC desktops through the StarCast Viewer, without disrupting other applications or feeds.

      [three more paragraphs about StarCast]

    5. Bunzel, Mark J.; Morris, Sandra K. (1994). Multimedia Applications Development: Using Indeo Video and Dvi Technology (2 ed.). New York: McGraw Hill. pp. 76, 223–224. ISBN  0-07-043300-3. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The book notes on page 76:

      StarWorks from Starlight Networks, Inc. uses a different approach to providing multiple workstations accessing video files. StarWorks, when installed on an Intel468 microprocessor-based EISA server supports up to 20 simultaneous multimedia users accessing streams of video, audio, and animation. StarWorks allows users to access video and other applications simultaneously, requiring no application modification to DOS and Windows applications, and coexists with other LAN protocols used by network operating systems.

      The book notes on pages 223–224:

      Starlight Networks is also marketing networking software optimized for the delivery of multimedia information over a local area network. Starlight combines the capability of controlling the delivery of motion video and audio files in continuous streams. In its optimal configuration, motion video and audio files are stored on a separate, high-performance file server in a switched ethernet topology, using an intelligent hub. In this way, when an application requires the higher data rate for contiguous multimedia files, the information is directed through the intelligent switch hub to the appropriate workstation. Starlight has been successful delivering multimedia data in the worst-case scenario of 20 multimedia workstations in a classroom, where all students are working on the same lesson at the same time.

    6. Varon, Elana (1998-08-30). "Customs will use StarLive for broadcast". Federal Computer Week. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29.

      The article notes:

      The Customs Service will use new video streaming technology from Starlight Networks Inc., to broadcast live over the Internet a briefing on a system for collecting information from importers. The briefing, planned for Sept. 3, will be distributed over the Internet at the same time it is broadcast by satellite.

      ...

      Observers said the Customs event is one sign of growing interest among agencies in using Internet-based video and audio technologies. "There's a tremendous amount of initial interest, at least in examining the technologies that are available, for delivering video and audio online, said Al Lill, vice president and research director with Gartner Group. He said the most prominent applications for the technology are distance learning, telemedicine and faster information dissemination.

      ...

      Starlight, which is being acquired by videoconferencing vendor PictureTel Corp., is the "most prominent firm in the industry for applications in which video quality matters, Lill said.

    7. Schroeder, Erica (1992-10-05). "StarWorks spreads video across LANs". PC Week. 9 (40). Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      Star light, star bright, what video should I watch tonight?

      Networked PC users will soon be able to ask themselves that question with the help of startup Starlight Networks Inc., which last week introduced a system that allows as many as 20 users to simultaneously access and view videos located centrally on a standard Ethernet network.

      ...

      Industry analysts said StarWorks will increase the market for networked video products.

      "The product is outstanding, and the most important thing is they took a very pragmatic approach in terms of preserving investment," said Albert Lill, vice president at Gartner Group Inc., a market-research firm in Stamford, Conn. "It explodes the myth that ATM [asynchronous transfer mode] and FDDI [Fiber Distributed Data Interface] are required to run video over a network."

      Users of the product will be "anybody who has any requirements for a visual database, anyone with complex products and extensive field service and support organizations, as well as advertising agencies and media agencies," he said.

    8. Hambeln, Matt (1996-12-23). "Bloomberg TV has digital take". Computerworld. Vol. 30, no. 52. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      At Bloomberg TV, financial news gets shown and updated continuously around the world. But all that video isn't stored on videotape.

      Instead, it is kept on Sun Solaris digital networking servers in New York, Tokyo and London and accessed with StarWorks software by Starlight Networks, Inc. in Mountain View, Calif.

      News is then sent by satellite around the world, and ends up on radio and television stations such as USA Network that are viewed by millions of people each day.

      Bloomberg TV, a subsidiary of Bloomberg LP in New York, has used the software for two years on its Sun Microsystems, Inc. servers. The company soon will upgrade with StarWorks 3.0, which was released in early December, for higher quality and speed, Bloomberg officials said.

      ...

      StarWorks allows multiple digitized news segments to be stored and retrieved at the same time over a standard Ethernet network. Television-quality video of 30 frame/sec. can be provided. StarWorks 3.0 provides recording and playback of a video stream at speeds up to 200M bit/sec.

      ...

      Starlight's competitors include Sun, Digital Equipment Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co., Oracle Corp. and IBM. But they haven't shown the working knowledge of networks that Starlight has, Ball said.

    9. Lapolla, Stephanie (1996-09-30). "StarWorks is born for NT". PC Week. Vol. 13, no. 39. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      Starlight Networks Inc. will announce this week availability of its Windows NT-based digital video management technology.

      StarWorks 3.0 is capable of delivering both live and stored audio, video and graphical media streams from a Windows NT server to hundreds of desktops simultaneously via Netscape Communications Corp.'s Navigator or Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer browsers.

      ...

      The U.S. Marine Corps depends on StarWorks field training before sending soldiers into a war zone.

    10. Streeter, April (1992-09-28). "Starlight video server for Macs, PCs: 486-based system delivers QuickTime". MacWEEK. Vol. 6, no. 34. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      Full-motion QuickTime movies may be playing soon on Macintosh Ethernet networks.

      Due next month, the Starlight Media Server from Starlight Networks Inc. will transform an Intel 486-based computer into a video application server for Macs, IBM PCs and compatibles, and Unix workstation clients. Unix-based server software, called StarWorks, will control an array of hard drives to support simultaneous delivery of QuickTime or DVI (Digital Video Interactive) video clips to as many as 10 Mac clients for about $23,000.

      The Starlight Media Server, which initially will work with 10BASE T or thin Ethernet cabling, includes the following components:

    11. Chernicoff, David P. (1993-03-01). "StarWorks taps 10BaseT LANs to provide multiuser video". PC Week. Vol. 10, no. 8. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      With its StarWorks digital video networking software, Starlight Networks Inc. is the first to provide network users with a way to piggyback on a video solution that provides the familiar 30-frame-per-second data rate without requiring a dedicated high-performance network.

      ...

      Starlight also provides a proprietary Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disks (RAID)-like data storage and management scheme that supports the high-performance data streaming necessary for maintaining a full-motion-video data rate.

      ...

      We could find no obvious flaws in the StarWorks' implementation. However, we did encounter some configuration problems, in part because of the lack of a Digital Video Interactive (DVI) standard. Most of the standards issues are expected to be resolved within the next 18 months.

    12. Schwartz, Jeffrey (1998-08-03). "Marriage Brings Video Apps Under One Roof". InternetWeek. No. 719. UBM plc. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      But PictureTel Corp., the leading supplier of videoconferencing systems, is hoping to marry the two technologies as a result of its pending acquisition of Starlight Networks Inc. PictureTel last month disclosed its intent to acquire Star-light for an undisclosed sum.

      ...

      Starlight is regarded as a leading supplier of streaming multimedia software and video-on-demand servers. The company could be just what PictureTel needs to bring the conferencing and IP multicasting worlds together, said Gartner Group analyst Al Lill.

      "Instead of going to one set of vendors to get videoconferenc-ing and another to get video-on-demand, customers will be able to go to one vendor," Lill said.

      ...

      Lill also said Starlight's streaming video technology is best suited for large-scale enterprise applications because it supports both low- and high-bandwidth connections.

    13. Thompson, George A. (1995-12-01). "Battle of the networked stars". HP Professional. Vol. 9, no. 12. 1105 Media. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      "It's a litmus test of the viability of video distribution over LANs," according to Jim Greene, analyst for Summit Strategies (Boston, Mass.). Microsoft's Tiger and Oracle's VideoServer will be eventual competitors predicts Greene, but for now the HP/Starlight combination is unchallenged. Although claiming that the solution is scalable up to HP 9000 systems, it remains to be seen because not be available until sometime in 1996 when Starlight's UNIX-based StarWorks product is ported to the HP-UX platform. In the meantime, the Intel solution will be available from HP direct and indirect channels and sold for information-on-demand, performance support and video training applications in the financial services, telecommunications and retail markets.

      Unlike HP's own MPower and InSoft's Communique! (another HP alliance), which are UNIX-based video conferencing solutions, the Starlight bundle is a video streaming technology. "They distribute information differently," explains Greene.

    14. Caulfield, Brian (1998-06-08). "Selling the Government On Streaming Content". Internet World. Vol. 4, no. 21. Penton. Archived from the original on 2019-11-29. Retrieved 2019-11-29 – via Gale.

      The article notes:

      It's the job of John Downey, deputy director of information management for the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology (ACQWeb), to get information to the people at each facility responsible for buying the supplies the military needs. But when Downey decided streaming video was the way to go, he realized he couldn't rely on the kind of homogeneous high-speed networks common at large corporations.

      Instead, he turned to a combination of products from corporate intranet streaming specialist Starlight Networks Inc., Mountain View, Calif., and from RealNetworks Inc., Seattle, which dominates the market for streaming video over the public Internet. The solution Downey assembled can play high-quality video over the ATM backbone at the Pentagon's air-conditioned offices as well as get the same message through to a supply officer sweltering in a Quonset hut at a remote tropical base.

      ...

      At government facilities with access to high-speed Internet links, Starlight Networks Starlive client software runs the video, chat, and slide presentations on user desktops. At locations with slower connections, the DoD uses RealNetworks clients and a Web browser.

      ...

      Greg Tapper, an analyst with Giga Information Group, Santa Clara, Calif., said the Pentagons adoption of the technology shows that video on organizational intranets is creeping beyond the initial core of large, technology-savvy businesses.

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Starlight Networks to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 11:03, 29 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 00:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable product series. Lots of sources, but lots of fan sites, press releases, and Collider, which is not always of the greatest reliability. A lot of the article is just minutiae of who all is included in each sets. Fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Products and services. Hog Farm ( talk) 19:27, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 19:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Small group with Tolkien's Edain. The Edain were already redirected to another page based on a previous AfD. The page Edain was redirected to, Man (Middle-earth), does not mention The Wise, so it's not a good redirect or merger target. Not enough notability in the real world to warrant an article specifically for this topic. Hog Farm ( talk) 19:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:00, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 18:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 18:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Subject fails WP:GNG. WP:NACADEMIC #1 is the closest shot at notability, but his h-index sits at 12 per Google Scholar, with no meaningful results on Scopus. It is important to distinguish him from Alexander L. Strehl, who appears to be a different computer scientist. The subject's bio at University of Aalen differs substantially from information available on A.L. Strehl, and his PhD is from University of Texas, while A.L.'s is from Rutgers. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:41, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 18:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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inadequate references for living person, whose career shows no notability. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 18:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Per WP:SKCRIT#1. The nominator has withdrawn their nomination and there are no other arguments for deletion or redirection. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 11:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Appears to be a hoax. Miramar and Marine traffic returns no ship by this name ever. Google returns no results other than wikimirrors Lyndaship ( talk) 18:26, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep'. Thank you to User:Pontificalibus for making sense of this situation. I gather it is one of the largest tankers belonging to China, so one of the largest in the world. User:Macaujacko provided a service by creating this article back in 2010, probably seeing extensive coverage at the time and seeing the clear notability/importance. Too bad they didn't add sources back then, but that is how things worked in Wikipedia then. And too bad it has not been further developed. Needs to be tagged and/or developed, not deleted. This is nearly an orphan, it is only linked in a "See also" from China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation article.
Obviously huge ships, oil tankers and other tankers, are important in the world, and there should be sensible coverage in Wikipedia. There is not currently sensible coverage, IMHO, because there is no overall development of a List of tankers and/or List of oil tankers, which would correspond to existing Category:Tankers and Category:Oil tankers but provide actual context. A list can/should provide sizes of the ships and year of construction/launch, and utilize overview sources about the set of tankers in the world, and it can/should include redlinks where there are gaps. Currently there is no presentation in Wikipedia about this one ship putting it into any context; a list-article is needed IMHO to provide context. And then perhaps a bunch of the smaller stub articles (and even this one possibly) could better be redirected to the list-article, actually, to provide information in context which delivers more value to a reader than info dereft of context. -- Doncram ( talk) 22:40, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of an archivist and curator, not reliably sourced as clearing our notability standards. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they have jobs -- the notability test is the extent to which their work did or did not result in them receiving coverage about it in media. But that's not what any of the sources here are: one is a Q&A interview in a specialty trade magazine in which she's talking about herself in the first person, which is not enough to make her notable all by itself if it's the best you can do; one is an article on the self-published blog of a directly affiliated organization, which is not an independent or reliable media source; one is a press release on the self-published website of her own employer, which is not an independent source (and merely mentions her name in the caption to a photograph without being about her in any non-trivial sense, to boot); and one is a press release from us, which mentions her name in the context of having given a speech at a Wikimania convention but isn't about her either, and isn't support for notability anyway as it represents a WP:CIRCULAR citation to ourselves. As always, it's not the things the article says that make a person notable enough for an article -- it's the quality and depth and independence of the sources that can be shown to support the things it says, but none of these are valid or notability-supporting sources. Bearcat ( talk) 18:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete There are certainly independent, reliable sources that verify that she is the Director General of the BAnQ (eg [4], [5], [6], [7]) - note that I am not saying that they constitute SIGCOV, though. I have been trying to work out whether other archivists, about whom there are articles, are notable based on specific guidelines, or by virtue of being the head of national archives. Some certainly meet WP:ANYBIO (like Pierre-Georges Roy) or WP:NACADEMIC (like Sarah Tyacke). I can't see any achievements of Jeff James (public servant) that would meet notability guidelines besides being Chief Executive and Keeper of The National Archives (United Kingdom). Does that position count for WP:NACADEMIC#6: "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society."? If it does, then all directors of national archives would be notable - but would that also apply to directors of state archives? as, despite being called the Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec, it is actually the archives of the province of Quebec. I think I would tend to say that the position of head of state or province-level archives does not give presumed notability (per WP:NACADEMIC#6 or anything else) - perhaps being head of a nation's national archives does, though that's not being decided here. So, in this case, I would say that she doesn't yet meet any notability guidelines. She may well do so in the future, if she becomes a fellow of a learned society, receives a high-level national award, etc - but for now, it seems WP:TOOSOON. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Philips. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The main article on Philips already contains more quantity and quality of information on products and corporate structuring than this completely unsourced WP:PUFF article. Sources exist, but I don't believe they're enough to justify a separate article under WP:GNG or WP:CORPDEPTH. The only coverage I'd call significant ( here) describes how product design helped to rejuvenate Philips, which would be more appropriately integrated into the main Philips article. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 16:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Comment No objection whatsoever to the relist (certainly some discussion should take place), but for clarity's sake, the source I mentioned above as a prospect for inclusion into the main Philips article is not currently included in the Philips Design article. Other merge-worthy material is already included in the main Philips article, as far as I can tell. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 18:51, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Restored after being PROD deleted on the grounds that it is mentioned in a few telescope manuals, but I still can't find much more than that and material written by the language's creators. I remain unconviced that this is notable. Reyk YO! 17:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. It looks like this language has been discussed in detail in many reliable sources, including journal and news articles; not all are telescope manuals or from the creators. There's usable content for expansion about the language's history, structure, and current uses, so I'd say it passes WP:SIGCOV and merits a keep. ComplexRational ( talk) 03:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
I have since added some sources. While the article may remain a stub, these sources seem to demonstrate notability (they are independent, detailed, and peer-reviewed). ComplexRational ( talk) 15:58, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Lack of sources discussing the usage rather than just using the phrase. RL0919 ( talk) 18:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Article about a thing that's not really a thing. Despite the weird title, talk page discussion has identified that it's really just a bad translation of a phrase more appropriately translated as "Don't say I/we didn't warn you" -- but that's a phrase that basically everybody on earth has heard from our own mothers at some point in our lives. This simply isn't a uniquely Chinese expression or concept — it's just the Chinese-language version of a phrase that exists in many languages, and always means "You're doing something dumb, stop it or you'll be sorry". Even in a political or diplomatic context, literally any government could potentially use its own language's version of "don't say we didn't warn you" as a war threat, so even that isn't a basis for claiming uniqueness here. And this article just lists four specific examples of the phrase being used, but fails to demonstrate a reason why the Chinese version of it would be more notable than its equivalent in any other language — it sources the fact that the phrase was used, but fails to source that there's been any analysis about the usage as a topic. And per WP:WAX, the fact that an article exists on the Chinese Wikipedia is not a reason why one automatically needs to exist in English too. Bearcat ( talk) 17:23, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: I would like to emphasize that 勿谓言之不预也 is different from Don't say we didn't warn you as the Chinese term is not Mandarin, but classical Chinese. It has sources in Chinese literature. If you would like to express it mandarin Chinese (modern Chinese language today), it should be 别说我没警告过你. Different ways of expression implies different lingual atmosphere. Moreover, it is filled with a diplomatic meaning by Chinese Government. It deserves to be an article as of enough public concern, and the only issue is the right way of translation. GodCallMeGod ( talk) 17:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Its diplomatic meaning is no different in Chinese than it would be if the Canadian government used the English or French versions of the same phrase, if the American government used the English version, if the German government used the German equivalent, and on and so forth. It doesn't have special meaning in Chinese that's greater than its meaning in any other language. Bearcat ( talk) 01:24, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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As of writing this site ranks #1,566,501 in global internet engagement according to Alexa Internet and references and press coverage seem thin on the ground and non-substantial. I do not believe it passes WP:COMPANY. Uhooep ( talk) 17:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 18:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable topic. Just a bare-bones game guide list. TTN ( talk) 17:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 17:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Collection of trivial, fictional, unconnected concepts that share a similar name. There's not even a shared theme, everything from gods to ancient aliens. It should be deleted and Old One probably be redirect to Lovecraft or turned into a dab page. TTN ( talk) 17:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 09:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NAUTHOR, WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy-deleted (A7). ( non-admin closure) AllyD ( talk) 07:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG, I can't find any independent or reliable sources. Andrew Base ( talk) 16:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to List of The Outer Limits episodes. A transwiki can be done at editorial discretion; the proposed target is not part of Wikimedia so we can't apply a consensus from here to there. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 16:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Like the vast majority of Outer Limits (1995) episodes, this article fails WP:NOT#PLOT and doesn't establish WP:N, and has been tagged as such for over a decade. My previous attempts to batch-redirect such articles to the LoE were contentious (see Talk:List_of_The_Outer_Limits_episodes from 2008), and ended with my large-scale un-redirecting all episode articles. Now, I'd like to revisit this issue and again batch-redirect all of them, but I want/need a cite-worthy AfD result for the edit summary to make the redirects stick (unless, of course, individual notability is/gets established). – sgeureka tc 15:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. RL0919 ( talk) 19:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This is a production company that has had one joint-production, notable documentary. Based on my WP:BEFORE, I cannot find any reliable sources with independant, significant coverage taht shows that the production company is notable.

Of the sources:

  • 1 is an interview which doesn't mention the company, only the founder.
  • 2 & 4 doesn't mention the company, nor the founder.
  • 3 & 12 are repeated and only mentions the founder, not the company
  • 5 & 6 will not let me look at them
  • 7 is a short bio about the founder, no mention of the company
  • 8 & 10 only mentions founder, no mention of the company
  • 9 is a directory listing
  • 11 is the only reference that talks about the company, however it is only two sentences.

Notability is not inherited. The film, Forever Pure, may be notable. The founder, Geoff Arbourne may be notable (I have not done any research into that claim). However, I do not believe Inside Out Films is notable. -- Darth Mike (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:10, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Dagaba's article lacks notability. He has been a candidate for parliament and mayor and an eventual MMC (Member of the Mayoral Committee) for Finance. All these positions do not necessarily guarantee him an article, therefore it fails WP:POLITICIAN & WP:GNG. Lefcentreright Talk (plz ping) 15:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. While Joburg is obviously a large and important enough city that we would likely accept articles about its actual city councillors, simply serving on a municipal committee is not sufficient to pass NPOL. Of the 54 footnotes here, he's the bylined author of 16 of them that I've noticed so far — so that's 30 per cent of the sourcing kicked to the curb right there. (He's also likely the author of some of the others, because at least two other sources I've spotchecked are "letters to the editor" that are written in the first person, but fail to have mentioned the name "Rabelani Dagada" before they paywall me.) Several more are primary sources that are not support for notability at all, such as his faculty profile on the self-published website of a university he works for. Several others glancingly namecheck his existence in the process of not being about him in any non-trivial way. This is reference bombing, and we do not take kindly to it — the number of sources here which are actually about him, for the purposes of establishing that he would pass WP:GNG, are (a) literally in the single digits, and (b) purely local and routine and not even beginning to demonstrate a credibly nationalized or globalized claim of importance. Plus the article was created by a WP:SPA with no history of contributing to Wikipedia on any other topic but Rabelani Dagada himself — so this has all the classic hallmarks of being self-promotion even if I can't prove that outright. Bearcat ( talk) 03:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete per multiple CSD rationales as pointed out below. Eagles  24/7  (C) 16:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Failed PROD. Article is not properly cited and there are no outside reliable sources supporting such a distinction. Barkeep Chat 14:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Mr. Magoo (TV series). Stuff may be merged over at editorial discretion, as it's not clear in this discussion whether we have a consensus for a plain merge. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 16:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Unlikly this article reaches the criteria for notability; it would likely be better off in the "Characters" section of Mr. Magoo. CoconutOctopus talk 12:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#4, nominated by a banned editor. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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NO Wikipedia:Notability, basically NO sources, it even says it was cancelled to poor sales, showing its IRRELEVANCY Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#4, nominated by a banned editor. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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NOT notable, as evidenced by barely ANY sources Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:20, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#4, nominated by a banned editor. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Super Jump is NOT notable as evidenced by the almost complete lack of sources Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Also its made by User:Jump Guru so this is WP:COI and WP:Paid editing Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#4, nominated by a banned editor. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:28, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not even a SHRED of notability, laughably WP:UNSOURCED Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Also its made by User:Jump Guru so this is WP:COI and WP:Paid editing Palmer Clive Alive ( talk) 12:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Any decision to rename this article may happen through the normal process. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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1990 album. Lacks SIGCOV in reliable sources and does not meet NALBUM. Author contested PROD and added sources. Here is my analysis of the sources in the current version:

  1. artist's website
  2. looks like a SPS, not RS
  3. interview with the artist
  4. may be significant coverage, but is a dead link
  5. brief mention, not SIGCOV
  6. one-man website/blog, not RS

Before I PRODed this, I looked on Google Books and could only find trivial mentions. So, at best one source that would count towards establishing notability.

If not deleted outright, it should be redirected to the artist. b uidh e 04:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: I have updated the Allmusic album review to its current location (item 4 in the analysis above). AllyD ( talk) 09:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Updated: with probably the google books reference you alluded to, he did call it a "notable record" if you cared to look DISEman ( talk) 11:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: In the analysis above, the nominator acknowledged that Brian Olewnick's Allmusic review could be significant coverage: I think it is. The album also received a (lukewarm) review by Tony Herrington in The Wire (issue 76, pages 53 & 55) and also appears to feature in the same magazine's Albums of the Year for 1990 (in issue 82/3) though my access to my copy to check what was said there has been thwarted by my just-pile-em-high filing system. Add to these the Christgau brief-mention and the Giddens review identified by DISEman and I think there is sufficient for WP:NALBUM criterion 1. AllyD ( talk) 12:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
    • OK, so we have only two sources that potentially give significant coverage: the one-paragraph review from Allmusic (not sure if that counts as significant) and the Wire review. Calling something "notable" is not a substitute for significant coverage, and two sources are usually not enough to keep an article. b uidh e 20:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Yes indeed. When I first saw this item in the AfD index I assumed it to be one of those Wiktionary vs Wikipedia debates for an article on the political term. I was surprised to find an album as the primary use. Not something to change during an AfD but if the article survives it should be given a more specific title as Phil Bridger suggests. AllyD ( talk) 15:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to 2012 United States Senate election in Tennessee. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 16:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Most likely fails wp:POLITICIAN and wp:POLOUTCOMES. Subject hasn't even held office; only major instances of received coverage are unsuccessfully running for US senate in 2012 and unsuccessfully suing the Tennessee Democratic Party for not allowing him to run for governor. Would suggest a redirect to 2012 United States Senate election in Tennessee Bneu2013 ( talk) 11:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete and redirect per nom. No evidence of having done anything else that achieved any note - David Gerard ( talk) 12:49, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and redirect. Fails WP:POLITICIAN as Clayton has only ever been a candidate and has not held national or sub-national political offices. Lefcentreright Talk (plz ping) 15:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I have to admit I am sick and tired of the SPLC being treated as a reliable source, when it throws around the label of "hate" on anyone who it disagrees with, with no regard to the general understanding that hate groups encourage actual violence. Having your own party turn against you after you get the nomination is not a sign of notability, it is a one time news event, and not enough to make you notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I'm not terribly convinced that quibbling over the definition of hate speech is the determinative issue here — queers get the final mic drop on what is or isn't anti-queer hate speech, and non-queers do not get to put us in the corner on the grounds that they somehow understand what we actually have to go through better than we do ourselves. But that's not really the determining factor: what's more dispositive here, rather, is that the sources show little evidence of enduring nationalized significance that would somehow make his candidacy more special than all the other unsuccessful candidacies in the history of politics. Out of fourteen sources total, eight are the purely expected level of local coverage that every candidate in every election can always show without fail, two more are primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, and what's left is not enough to demonstrate that he would pass the ten-year test for enduring notability. This is just not, in and of itself, enough. Bearcat ( talk) 03:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and redirect as a usual and appropriate outcome for candidates for federal office. In general, basic (and reliably-sourced) information about the candidates can be included in a page about the election. In addition, and generally speaking, an individual must meet WP:GNG outside of their campaign or receive national or international coverage that is significantly greater than normal (see Christine O'Donnell). -- Enos733 ( talk) 17:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. czar 09:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Looks like a garden variety WP:NOTYELLOWPAGES/ WP:NORG failure. Start up with coverage limited to in-passing, or press releases and their rewrites. Some unnotable awards, few mentions in list and WP:ROUTINE coverage of 'start seeks funding/startup gets funding, wants more/company does business'. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ ( talk) 01:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Unsourced since creation in Sept 2017. A previous article was deleted by PROD in March2017, then this was re-created by apparently the same editor, and has not been improved since then. An "external link" to http://www.kalungady.com was recently added and removed but appears to be "Tamil Christian site", not a reliable source or an appropriate external link. This place is shown on maps as existing, but without further sourced information the article is not an asset to the encyclopedia. The Catherine Booth Hospital makes no mention of Kalungady: its own website says it is at "Vadasery, Nagercoil". Pam D 08:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Further to nomination:
  1. Catherine Booth Hospital website giving address as "Asambu road, Vadasery, Nagercoil, Tamil Nadu", nomention of Kalungady.
  2. Kalungady is not mentioned in any other article in the encyclopedia to which this name could be redirected. Pam D 08:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - although I thank FOARP for finding the above refs, none of them indicate what type of location this is. Doesn't appear to be a legally recognized place, but rather some type of congregation or monument. Certainly none of the claims in the article are supported. As I was back in 2017, am completely willing to change to a keep if some valid sourcing showing that it passes WP:GEOLAND is uncovered, but as of yet, I'm not seeing it. Onel5969 TT me 11:11, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
The gazette and census entries show legal recognition, hence this remains a pass for WP:GEOLAND. The present state of the article is not decisive of deletion as AFD is not clean-up. FOARP ( talk) 11:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply
No, they show it in use as part of an address, in both cases: the census lists "Kalungady West 1-33A" alongside "Arat Road 69-74". No indication that it is a standalone place. Pam D 08:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. The discussion seems to have started going round in circles here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Nominating this for deletion due to the subject matter not being notable by himself. Also the reference used for the article is from a unreliable source according to the Video Game Project. GamerPro64 05:08, 25 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 23:26, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NPOL. PROD was contested on the grounds that he's a council leader and has an OBE, but neither of those grant notability. Coverage is WP:ROUTINE and just in local newspapers -- fails WP:GNG. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • An OBE is a higher honour than I have ever received, but consensus has been pretty clear that this is a lower level than that required to pass WP:ANYBIO. A CBE is debatable but usually enough to pass, and a K/DBE is certainly enough, but not lower-level honours such as OBE and MBE. Phil Bridger ( talk) 17:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. County council is not an automatic free pass to notability in the absence of evidence that he's special in some way — passing the "major local political figures" test requires a lot more than just a small handful of hits of purely routine local coverage. The article does not actually note or source that he's had "a TV documentary crew following him around"; that could maybe change the equation if the documentary were significant in some way, but isn't a guaranteed free pass just because you assert it, because even documentaries are sometimes unimportant and non-notable under our notability criteria for films. (Plus, until you name and source the existence of the documentary, we have no way of verifying whether it was about him, or just asked him a couple of questions as a speaker in a film about something else.) And as for the OBE, well, we don't have any consensus that low-level honours constitute an exemption from having to pass regular notability and sourcing standards either. Bearcat ( talk) 03:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. We do have consensus that OBEs don't make people notable. ミラ P 05:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. County council not a notable position. And Bearcat has articulated the deletion rationale well. Wm335td ( talk) 21:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Yunshui  10:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to pass WP:MUSICBIO or GNG. Deprodded by User:Paora with "has toured nationally, e.g. in NZ with NZ Opera and in UK with Glyndebourne on Tour" but is this sufficient? I don't think so, MUSICBIO suggests subject needs to receive significant coverage of such tours, and this is missing here. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Halfling (Dungeons & Dragons). There is a clear consensus that this is not a notable topic. However, those advocating delete have not explained why a selective merge is not an appropriate alternative to deletion. As such, and because this is not a vote but an exercise in consensus there is a consensus to address this non-notable topic by merging it into another article. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this passes WP:GNG/ WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN. See also arguments presented in related, and already ended with 'delete', Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Forgotten Realms deities Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • The elements do not need to be independently notable if the grouping is notable, which needs to be shown by having reliable, secondary sources discussing the topic as a group. There do not appear to be any such sources for this list topic. Rorshacma ( talk) 03:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • 'Delete or Selective Merge with Halfling (Dungeons & Dragons), as has some relevent material. N0nsensical.system( err0r?) 09:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep or merge to Halfling (Dungeons & Dragons). Personally I believe this is a notable enough topic to remain as a standalone article given the notability and popularity of the game, but even if it is not, no useful purpose is served in deleting information that can be merged elsewhere. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete- More excessive fancruft sourced mostly to primary sources. Aside from the notability arguments outlined above, this content puts way too much undue weight on fictional trivia. I suggest Wikia would be a better home for this type of content. And I'm not sure about the accusations of bad faith here: were I to suggest some editors derived malicious pleasure from diluting Wikipedia's useful content with sewage or burying it under a mountain of trash I'd be facing a pitchfork mob at ANI for sure. Reyk YO! 15:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I am sure that some people create hoax articles, attack pages, and the like for fun to upset other people, but although I can only speak for myself, I doubt very much that people create articles on fictional topics with the intention of irritating other people. BOZ ( talk) 15:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
And I'm sure that few people nominate stuff for deletion because they think deleting stuff is fun, yet accusing people of that is just fine and dandy. Reyk YO! 15:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I can't speak on the motivations of people who like to delete stuff because they think it's fun, but they've certainly been having a good time lately. BOZ ( talk) 16:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I mean, I get the good feeling of cleaning out a musty old attic full of fifty years of clutter, but the core motivation is narrowing down the scope of non-notable topics so notable topics can actually flourish. See Category:Video game characters and Category:Anime and manga characters. Compared to ten years ago, you can look at the grand majority of articles and see proper sources. There might still be some problem articles, but it's night and day compared to the hundreds upon hundreds of articles there previously. Without an effort from those project spaces, there is no way they'd be in that state today. TTN ( talk) 16:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The "delete" arguments are substantially stronger. They notably invoke WP:LISTN, which is prima facie a strong argument, because the article contains no sources independent from the companies that make the D&D game. Although there may be disagreement about how exactly to apply WP:LISTN, as Lightburst argues, the basis of any notability guideline is sourcing. To refute the arguments for deletion, therefore, the "keep" side would have needed to make the argument that specific sources exist that convey notability on this topic. They have not named any such sources, but only asserted that notability exists. These arguments must therefore be discounted as weak, as must those that do not address the notability issue at all or are pure votes. Sandstein 12:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this passes WP:GNG/ WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN. See also arguments presented in related, and already ended with 'delete', Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Forgotten Realms deities Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Like the other lists of D&D gods by fictional race, the individual entries are not notable, and there do no appear to be any substantial coverage in reliable, secondary sources that discuss the concept as a group. Thus, it fails WP:LISTN. Rorshacma ( talk) 19:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Grouping fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 19:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep or merge to Gnome (Dungeons & Dragons). Personally I believe this is a notable enough topic to remain as a standalone article given the notability and popularity of the game, but even if it is not, no useful purpose is served in deleting information that can be merged elsewhere. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete- I agree with Piotrus's arguments. This is all badly sourced plot summary that more properly belongs on Wikia. It gives far too much undue weight to fictional trivia. Reyk YO! 14:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN. Per the article talk page, this article is already the target of at least four merge and redirects from previous deletion discussions; while the individual entries may not be deserving of their own articles, mention in a list such as this should not be problematic. If the issue with this article is the degree/volume of in-world material, edit to reduce it. AFD is not cleanup. Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 04:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • CLN is not the golden ticket you’re looking for currently, especially where this list has no associated category. It only supports arguments where someone says a list should be deleted because it already has a category. It supports nothing here. This list neither establishes notability or classifies as a proper fork article. It’s simply fictional minutia that doesn’t need to be covered. There is no argument you can make that this is necessary for a general reader’s comprehension of the topic. This is fan specialty information. TTN ( talk) 10:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • How in any universe does this establish notability? I disagree with but at least understand people trying to use the argument on the main deities lists, but not these piddly little hyper-focused lists. TTN ( talk) 19:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • WP:LISTN states that "one accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines". There are no such sources in the article, and no one has presented any in this AFD. In fact, all other mentions of WP:LISTN so far have all been comments on how this list fails it. If you are going to cite it as a reason to Keep, do you have any such sources to support that position? Rorshacma ( talk) 16:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Rorshacma:I am not a fan of keeping any of this rubbish, but I was referring to the LISTN guideline There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists, although non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations are touched upon in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Editors are still urged to demonstrate list notability via the grouping itself before creating stand-alone lists. Lightburst ( talk) 16:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Right, but how does this list fulfill said "informational, navigation, or development purposes"? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this passes WP:GNG/ WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN. See also arguments presented in related, and already ended with 'delete', Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Forgotten Realms deities Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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List notability states: One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been When I review the citations in this article or review search engines I see notability and coverage for D&D deities in general but also for realms-specific deities. Thus I would not expect many of these individual deities to have articles but this article seems to be the essence of what constitutes a valuable list article for an encyclopedia. In general, the nomination of the individual D&D articles for deletion have more merit than the list articles that are being deleted. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 12:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • comment Pointing to a similar article that has been deleted as a reason for deletion of an article is like an obverse of the WP:OSE argument. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 11:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
    Indeed it is! BOZ ( talk) 13:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Perfectly valid list of elements central to a significant fictional setting. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:49, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
    • It's debatable whether a list of deities is 'central' to this setting more than lists of spells or towns or such which I don't think we have anymore (if we ever had). If you see any literary (gaming) analysis that discusses the deities of Greyhawk, do let us know, but if not, it's just a POV that this is central rather than fancrufty - and overall, either way, let's face it, this is indeed "very minority interest material". -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:41, 5 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN (although I would not object to a severe copyedit of the article to reduce overall size and in-world content). Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 04:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Neither supports the existence of this list. CLN does not require lists for categories. It’s simply seen as a positive thing in general. Editors may come to the consensus that a list is inappropriate. I don’t think there’s a single notable article in the category anyway. The list fails to establish its own notability, and there is no argument on how this list helps a general reader any more than three summary style paragraphs about gods and religion in a main article. It’s content for fans by fans that belongs on a fan wiki. TTN ( talk) 12:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. What I wrote in closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dungeons & Dragons gnome deities applies here as well. Sandstein 12:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this passes WP:GNG/ WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN. See also arguments presented in related, and already ended with 'delete', Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Forgotten Realms deities Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - I have been unable to find any reliable, secondary sources discussing this grouping in any meaningful way, causing it to fail WP:LISTN. I was going to go with the selective merge as suggested by BOZ above, but looking at the target section, the bit of information that I would have suggested merging there is already present, negating the need to do so. Rorshacma ( talk) 19:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Not notable as a group. No rationale for it to be a valid fork article. TTN ( talk) 23:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • KEEP or MERGE to List of Dragonlance characters. The deities in this book are significant characters who do interact with the rest of the characters in some of the books. The main article says there are over 190 novels now. Dream Focus 12:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Perfectly valid list of elements central to a significant fictional setting. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN (although I would not object to a severe copyedit of the article to reduce the size and degree of in-game content). Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 04:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Notability for the list is neither established or inherited. CLN in no way mandates lists, so I’m really not sure why people are trying to bandwagon that as a thing. The only thing it defends is an argument that a category/list should be deleted because a list/category already exists. Even if it did, this category in particular is ready to be upmerged to the character category anyway due to its two articles makeup. TTN ( talk) 09:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Yunshui  10:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Serious concerns about the subject meeting NBIO. Does not seem to meet WP:GNG (no in-depth coverage, few mentions in passing), WP:NPOLITICIAN (City Councilman, District Court Judge; unclear whether he was a member of the Michigan Legislature since serving as a delegate to the "Michigan Constitutional Convention" is not the same as being actually elected to a position that would satisfy NPOLITICIAN) and WP:NPROF (next to no citations, most works self-published through Xlibris). Thoughts? I think this really hinges on whether we can identify more details about what position he held in the Michigan Legislature and whether it would meet NPOLITICIAN. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. I'm finding a delete consensus here as several editors believe notability is not met, one has a keep !vote, and one (Mdd) has given an indepth analysis of the sources and their limitations. However, if Mdd or some other editor wants me a copy of the article in an attempt to do a rewrite and demonstrate notability please email me and I would be happy to provide. Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:08, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:GNG, promo The Banner  talk 23:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Changed to Keep based on the (old!) article sources mentioned by MDD below. We should at least link these from the talk page, if not add them to the actual article. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 02:34, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: The Wikipedia page is indeed promotional because it is focussed on one of the idea's of this elder artists, which for some reason he wants to keep promoting. Both the page, the primary sources mentioned, and the links added, focus on promoting this one idea: the Weightless Sculpture Project.
    Now the artist is retired and the ordinary Google sources doesn't give us much to work with. However if you read the arguments of the first AfD nomination from 2006, I think those arguments still hold. This artist has initiated a series of representation in national newspapers since the 1970s, see here, and a small series of magazine articles, see here. There are at least a dozen longer articles from secondary sources with some significant coverage of his work.
    Take for example his first mayor newspaper article "Fantasiedorpen bouwen met de hele buurt" in the Nieuwe Leidsche Courant in 1971, see here. There is half a page of coverage of his "Werkgroep Speelbouw" initiative, which he started with Nout Visser. There are over the years about another dozen of similar initiatives by this artist, which drew some regional, national and international attention. All together he never had a world wide break through, but he did play some notable role in the development of the computer art in the Netherlands as artist, as teacher in several institutes, and a contractor for several museums. -- Mdd ( talk) 01:10, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete a non-notable artist who does not meet our inclusion criteria. I can only wish those criteria had been enforced back in 2006, then the project would not be so littered with not updated articles on marginal people. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete appears to have been copied form kabk.academia.edu/MartinSjardijn/CurriculumVitae Vexations ( talk) 11:29, 30 November 2019 (UTC) Note: the article cannot have been copied from that URL because it predates the existance of academia.edu. Vexations ( talk) 17:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Thanks to the links provided by Mdd, it is possible to see that there is significant coverage of this artist in NRC Handelsblad (1987 [8], and shorter in 1986 [9] and 1994 [10]); in Het Binnenhof [ nl [11], [12]; in Beeldraad (1993) [13]; and in Stroom (1993) [14]. Some of the articles mentioned by Mdd are by Martin Sjardijn, and therefore don't contribute to his notability. I would not expect someone who was active in the pre-internet years to appear in Google News, but rather in archived news sources such as those given above. It will need someone with knowledge of Dutch to add them to the article as cited sources - as they aren't accompanied by text versions of their contents, it's not possible (without a lot of effort) to use Google Translate. A quick skim does show, though, that they verify information in the article such as his training at the Royal Academy of Art, The Hague, where he also later taught (not yet in the article). RebeccaGreen ( talk) 07:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
    I'm a native Dutch speaker, so I'll have a go at explaining what is in the sources. [15] is description of a proposed artwork and interview with the artists for the occasion of an exhibition at what is now called Kunstmuseum Den Haag. The articles discusses a simulation that is run in the nl:Omniversum and explains how Sjardijn's proposal for a line in space was rejected by a funding body for art in public space and evolved into a failed proposal to centennial of the Eifeltower, a space mirror. In the interview, Sjardijn claims that "the transsimulative road that I travel has incredible potential." He's encourgaed by the response from Christo and others, and seems to think that the project can be realized for 5 million gulden (approx. € 4 M today), excluding the cost of the launch.
    [16] is an exhibition review of a group show in the Jaarbeurs to which Sjardijn contributed a work called tijd bestaat niet (en: time does not exist): " Translation: It is composed of discs that rotate against each other bearing markings that indicate the universe and an earth clock with a seconds hand. The whole makes clear that our timekeeping ceases to be logical and obvious. Moreover, the work looks attractive.
    [17] has a brief mention of Sjardijn's spacemirror in a discussion of an Bulletin Board System that provides access to an art database. "One press on the button and be my telematic lover tonight" of Lubbers himself, "Spacemirror 1986" by Martin Sjardijn or selfpromotional earring by Sander Kessels are in your own personal computer."
    [18] and [19] are of such poor resolution that the article (continued from the front page) is very difficult to read.
    [20] is a review of a commision for an artwork that is installed in a primary school. Unfortunately, it is not bylined and gives no indication of when and where it was published. On sjardijn's website, there is a link to the copy of the article with the anchot text "Stroom Journal 3 - Sculptuur voor de Buitenaardse Ruimte - 1993" I'm fairly certain that that is a reference to a publication by nl:Stroom Den Haag, an organization that provides funding for public sculpture.
    [21] is about a collective, established in 1970, that created a playground in Voorburg and mentions Sjardijn as one of the members. He provides some quotes for the article and explains how the group's starting point is participation by the youth for whom the playground is built. Translation: "Unfortunately, this method was not entirely possible with our project. The garden is not used by children from a certain neighborhood. Who should you ask for help? We have overcome this handicap by involving the young users in the construction of the sculpture."
    I can't find a discussion of his teaching in any of the sources mentioned above, but https://www.haagsekunstenaars.nl/cv/665 that he was a docent at the Royal Academy of Art, The Hague(2007–2009) and University of Amsterdam (2000–2005) Vexations ( talk) 17:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Thank you, Vexations, for the explanations and translations. As the best coverage (in terms of length, reliability and independence) is about a failed proposal for an artwork, it doesn't really satisfy WP:NARTIST, which requires the person to have "created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of ... of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". The other sources, that are reviews of works he created, don't add up to enough or probably aren't independent (so even if we could read the unreadable one, it would still not be enough to establish notability). So I have struck my Keep vote and changed to Delete. If Mdd can show other significant coverage about him and his work, not by him, in independent, reliable sources, I would be happy to reconsider. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 10:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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After studying this case some more I have concluded, that this article is outdated. If it was up to me, the current four tags will be replaced by one tag, and the article would be kept online for a certain period for half year or so. Then it can be either improved or can be moved out of the main space. I noticed:
  1. This article has been written by the Martin Sjardijn himself and/or people close to him on the Dutch Wikipedia early 2005 [22], [23], and has been translated here by the similar people in june 2006 [24], [25]
  2. The professional artist Martin Sjardijn has had a respectable career as artist in multiple ways:
    1. As conceptual artist being one of the first to present the idea of art in space in The Netherlands since the 1980s;
    2. As a teacher at the TU Delft and The Haque art academy ;
    3. As co-founder of the notable art center the nl:Haags Centrum voor Actuele Kunst (The Haque Center for Actual Art) ;
    4. As designer with the French Group Ludic and the Dutch Werkgroep Speelbouw early 1970s;
    5. As sub contractor for the The Hague nl:Omniversum in the 1980s presenting one of the first VR animations in the Netherlands.
    6. As subcontractor for the Groninger Museum experimenting and presenting one of the first digitalized museum configurations in the Netherlands.
    7. As family man raising a son as an artist, which made a notable entrance in the art world; An another probably daughter (?) who made some interesting contributions, which was represented in the media as well; and his later partner is a notable writer as well
    8. As son of an amateur painter, whose early work and later work was exhibited in the region and draw some attention.
    9. As writer, public speaker, designer of websites and other installations he made some contributions as well.
  3. Beside the series of 25+ hits in national newspapers for 1972 to 1995 [26], and a dozen longer magazine articles on his work, this gives us enough independent secondary sources, beside the many primary sources to build a respectable Wiki article.
  4. There is not a single argument brought forward, why this artist give the circumstances should fail WP:GNG. The current article evidently doesn't give us enough information about secondary source to determine this for ourselves.
  5. The http://kabk.academia.edu/MartinSjardijn/CurriculumVitae is not that old. The http://kabk.academia.edu website seem to be online since 2010 [27]
  6. Around every source mentioned early there are indeed dozens of other sources, that either confirm or sometimes contradict the information. It would be a mistake to think, that these are not independent. The Netherlands is a small country and if artists are still alive, it is often custom to involve them one way or another. Bold statements as "Hagenaar als eerste met kunst in the ruimte" (person from The Haque the first with art in space) are on the account of the news paper and the news reporter, that wrote down his name. They are accountable here for this news, and their reputation is on the line.
A longer article about Martin Sjardijn and the development of his work will give us a unique inside in fifty years of development of the art scene in The Hague. Keeping this article on line here a little longer might be an invitation for people to go an extra mile here. this could benefit us all. -- Mdd ( talk) 00:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Mdd: you may be right, but I would imagine that most of us here (Vexations excepted) do not speak Dutch. The effective route here is to add some of those 25 sources (the in-depth ones) to the article, and then ping the delete voters above to ask them to reconsider. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
yep. Verifiable sources would be a long way to a convincing argument - David Gerard ( talk) 01:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, I'm puzzled by your claim that Sjardijn taught at the TU Delft, and it raises concerns for me about the verifiability if your other claims. Even Sjardijn himself doesn't claim that he taught there in the deletion discussion on the article about him in the Dutch Wikipedia [28] even though he discusses his teaching positions elsewhere. Can you show us the sources that support your claims? That would go a long way. Vexations ( talk) 02:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Vexations, my comment intends to give an overview of his work and impact... and I might have missed a detail or two. I for example didn't notice yet, that he was teacher of Virtual Realities at the University of Amsterdam, see here. In the Dutch article it was stated that "Op de Technische Universiteit Delft experimenteerde hij onder leiding van prof. dr. ir. Erik Jansen." The saying "onder leiding van" generally means he was employed there. -- Mdd ( talk) 02:55, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, Sorry, no an uncited statement in the Dutch Wikipedia (the claim is pretty much a verbatim copy of his CV, which also says "Op de Technische Universiteit Delft experimenteerde hij onder leiding van prof. dr. ir. Erik Jansen en ir. Jouke Verlinden met een Head Mounted Display van virtuallity verbonden met een tactile force feedback dataglove.") doesn't mean it can be reliably verified with independent sources that he taught there at all. Vexations ( talk) 03:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I guess you have seen http://www.sjardijn.com/doc/cv.html . He was teacher for five years at the Vrije Academie Den Haag, and for five years at the University of Amsterdam. The exact nature of his cooperation at the TU Delft is still unclear. -- Mdd ( talk) 03:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, Even if "the exact nature of his cooperation at the TU Delft is still unclear": Can we agree that he was not a a full professor anywhere, ever. and not assistant professor nl:Universitair docent at the TU Delft? And can we also agree that WP:PROF applies, and that the fact that he taught at the Vrije Academie and the UVA does not make him notable unless we have several independent sources that discuss his work as a teacher in-depth, and that, as it stands, we do not have these sources? Vexations ( talk) 03:49, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Vexations, Sjardijn classified his work at the TU Delft at the his Linkedin page as (his own) education using the phrases "artist in resident", "Pictor Doctus" and PD probably for Postdoctoral. This work was in the 1990s, and lots of sources from those days cannot be found online. I wonder in return if you have done the math about the assessment I gave about your 30 Nov 2019 comment? -- Mdd ( talk) 09:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, I wonder in return if you have done the math about the assessment I gave about your 30 Nov 2019 comment? I don't understand what you're asking me. On 30 November I wrote that the article appears to have been copied from his CV. What is it that you'd like me to do? Vexations ( talk) 13:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
You seemed to have assumed, that the writer of this article copy/pasted the text from the kabk.academia.edu, a website which started in 2010. The particular CV on that website will be published there after 2010. Now the Wikipedia article, we have here, was created in 2006. To be more precise, the kabk.academia.edu biography seem to be an copy of the 22 March 2021 version of the Wikipedia article. Your assumption seems to be incorrect. -- Mdd ( talk) 15:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Mdd, I think you mean 2012, not 2021. Alright, when I noticed the similarities between the CV and the Wikipedia article, I did not check the date of creation of http://kabk.academia.edu/MartinSjardijn/CurriculumVitae. I still can't tell from the web page itself when it was created, or where the text originated. The earliest version of the article that is nearly identical that I can find is https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Martin_Sjardijn&oldid=75209409. That version of the article must be older than the version I found on academia.edu because Academia.edu was launched two years later, in 2008. The academia.org version is not the source. I'll strike my claim that it is a copyvio of that particular Curriculum Vitae.
I do think it is unusual that an CV is a copy of a Wikipedia article, but I cannot prove that the CV was created first, and copied to the article. I also cannot prove that user:Sjardijn, who edited the article, is the subject. I'm failrly confident that IP 62.216.11.44, who first removed the {{ notability}} tag is Sjardijn, per "Message from Martin Sjardijn: Please have some patience, I don't know how to chat or talk with you, Dutch arthistorians will inform you soon..." in this diff and that the art historian in question is likely J.L. (Hans) Locher whose comment at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Martin_Sjardijn was posted by that same IP 62.216.11.44.
In summary: I think that Sjardijn has written or substantially contributed to his own bio. That in itself is not a reason for deletion, but it is a reason for concern about the neutral point of view, and the verifiabililty of the claims made in the article. Vexations ( talk) 17:31, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Thanks Vexations, earlier sayings and your summary gives us a common ground: There are concerns about puffery, notability and verifiability as David Gerard brought forward 3.5 months ago [29], and a conflict of interest (COI) and concerns about the neutral point of view (NPOV) as assumed here.

I think the COI-NPOV concerns are for real here. For example, in the latest updates 2017-19 we read that In 2019 he started as a novelist and he added novelist, poetry writer to the introduction. We have an artist, who is (still) using Wikipedia as his personal website to update us about his latest news.

I personally think, the initial article was to much of an explanation, and still is. It might be possible here to give a more proper description, but I think, the article should be practically rewritten from scratch. In order to do so, I think it is crucial to have a common understanding of whether or not this artist is notable of not (to be continued). -- Mdd ( talk) 12:50, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This sportsbio (of two individuals who should be at the very list split into separate pages) has some trouble passing Wikipedia:Notability (sports). Coverage is insufficient to meet WP:NBIO, and while there are claims of participation in Ju-Jitsu World Championships, the WP:REDFLAG is that this event does not appear notable enough to pass SPORTBIO qualifications. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Ju-Jitsu International Federation (JJIF) is recognised federation by International Olympic Committee. They are negotiating to be at Olympic games. They are on same level as for example Karate. They have big chance to be at Olympics especialy with ne-waza style (Brazilian jiu-jitsu). Bećirović twins are top athlete of this sport. They were participated at World Games which is I guess significant sports event. For me they are notable sportsmen. I am not a manager who is trying to put on wikipedia his clients like some pro-sport managers does. I really missed this stuff (sport jujitsu) on wikipedia and I am sure that I am not alone.S048linari — Preceding unsigned comment added by S048linari ( talkcontribs) 09:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep After going through the Martyna Bierońska article, this one follows the same path. I've checked the JJIF website and confirmed at least some of those world championship results, so I'd say WP:NSPORT and WP:MANOTE are met. I suggested at the article creator's talk page that he/she consider separate articles on them, but for now it appears that their success has always come in pairs kata so it's not an urgent issue. If there is a WP:COI issue it should be disclosed, but it wouldn't impact notability in this case. Papaursa ( talk) 03:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Papaursa. scope_creep Talk 09:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:14, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This sportsbio has some trouble passing Wikipedia:Notability (sports). Coverage is insufficient to meet WP:NBIO, and while there are claims of participation in Ju-Jitsu World Championships, the WP:REDFLAG is that this event does not appear notable enough to pass SPORTBIO qualifications. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Ju-Jitsu International Federation (JJIF) is recognised federation by International Olympic Committee. They are negotiating to be at Olympic games. They are on same level as for example Karate. They have big chance to be at Olympics especialy with ne-waza style (Brazilian jiu-jitsu). Martyna Bierońska was top athlete of this sport. She was participated at World Games which is I guess significant sports event. For me she is notable sportsman. I am not a manager who is trying to put on wikipedia his clients like some pro-sport managers does. I really missed this stuff (sport jujitsu) on wikipedia and I am sure that I am not alone.S048linari

  • Comment The results listed in the article's infobox look impressive, but I have no idea what world championships she was competing in. The recognized world championships by the International Judo Federation do not match the years and locations given nor is she listed among the 139,000 judoka at judoinside.com . There is also no mention of her at the IBJJF website, which includes results of all IBJJF world championships. Some reporting of results, especially local coverage, doesn't make the case for meeting WP:GNG. I'm not voting yet, so that additional supporting evidence for her notability can be presented. Papaursa ( talk) 02:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Upon further research I see she competed at the JJIF events (jiu-jitsu as opposed to judo). For those unfamiliar with martial arts organizations, there are often multiple ones in the same, or closely related, sport. The JJIF is focused on sport ju-jitsu and has no authority over any of the traditional Japanese jujutsu organizations. It's also unrelated to the IBJJF (the International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation founded by the Gracies). Having said all that, I think her success at the JJIF world championships is sufficient to show WP notability. It would have been much better to have specified the organization right from the start. Papaursa ( talk) 03:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Thank you. IBJJF have different focus. They organise competitons for Pro-Teams. Grapplers there are representing their teams (fighting clubs) not a country they are from or live. JJIF is main governing sport body for sport jujitsu and its competition of nations. They do good job last few years (5).S048linari 08:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. It looks like uncontested claims of notability appeared during the discussion. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:31, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Advertorialized WP:BLP of a "film and television producer, writer, actor, marketing strategist, motivational speaker, life and career coach", not referenced to any evidence whatsoever of any reliable source coverage about her, and not making any particularly strong notability claims once you discount the advertorialized "most experienced and effective" fluff. And checking the article history, there has never been a better-referenced version to revert back to, either -- this has literally existed for ten full years in this garbage state, so if it can't be neutralized with legitimate sources right away it needs to go. Bearcat ( talk) 04:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The references haven't been updated and they don't support a keep. scope_creep Talk 19:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment What do you mean by not updated? Okay, I'll take a look again.— Allenjambalaya ( talk) 23:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I have also edited the article a bit. I believe that she does meet WP:NACTOR - she starred in the film Bakit kinagat ni Adan ang Mansanas ni Eba (1988) and had a significant role in the TV series Mara Clara (1993-97). A Google search shows a snippet from Asiaweek in 1988 - the parts visible through the Google search result and the snippet view read "At first, shy and retiring Beverly Vergel wanted a career in business. But the 24-year-old daughter of Philippines' "Action King" Cesar Ramirez and award-winning actress Alicia Vergel seemed destined for tinseltown. Back in Manila after her ... In one movie she is cast as an amazon, while in another she plays Eve to Adam as portrayed by comic Dolphy in Bakit Kinagat ni Adan ang Mansanas ni Eba? (Why Did Adam Bite Eve's Apple?) For the latter Beverly has discarded her tomboyish togs in favour of more vampish gear." [30] That could be added as a reference to the article, but would be more useful if we could see the whole report. I think that a report in Asiaweek would indicate that other media sources also covered her in those years, so she may meet WP:GNG as well. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 17:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The cleanup has shown that she meets WP:NACTOR. WP:NEXIST Lightburst ( talk) 18:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:14, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a writer, not supported by any strong evidence of reliable source coverage in real media and not making any particularly strong claim to passing WP:AUTHOR. The notability claims here boil down to that he and his work exist, nothing is footnoted at all, and even the external links are 3/4 primary sources that aren't support for notability -- and while the fourth link is a review of his poetry in a literary journal, one review isn't enough coverage to get an author over WP:GNG all by itself. Bearcat ( talk) 04:27, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Speedy keep to Snow Keep Early close. Professor in a named chair. (non-admin closure) scope_creep Talk 12:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not Notable. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 04:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:30, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Survived AfD's in 2006 and 2011 mostly because the works of the Tolkiens were considered to be enough to pass WP:GNG with nothing else to indicate notability. I turned the page into a disambiguation because there are two European municipalities named Boldog (and sending the orc article to List of Middle-earth characters but the disambiguation was undone with a note left on my talk page to get a consensus first. So I'm taking it here to AfD. Fails WP:GNG since there's no notability of this Boldog outside of the Tolkien works. Hog Farm ( talk) 04:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

  • Delete — a minor character in a minor work. It seems really wrong that Wikipedia prioritises this fictional non-entity over two real municipalities.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 04:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - The article is pretty much entirely in-universe information about a very minor character, and while it may tenuously comply with WP:GNG because the subject gets some minor mentions in works summarizing Tolkien I think based on WP:PLOT it doesn't merit a stand-alone article. MDDevice talk 05:05, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Keep to speedy keep. Clearly passes WP:NPROF. Professor at a major American university. (non-admin closure) scope_creep Talk 12:17, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Nothing here beyond what is expected of any academic. No distinctive awards, no special prizes, nothing in the popular press. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 03:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Keep to Strong Keep to Snow Keep. Early close. Shambolic Afd rationale. No need to keep it open to waste further time. (non-admin closure) scope_creep Talk 12:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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She has won no awards nor done anything of notice beyond what is expected of a working scholar. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 03:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy keep. Sigh. She's an elected fellow of the British Academy - "Election as a Fellow of the British Academy recognises high scholarly distinction". That satisfies WP:NPROF criteria 3. Please learn from this, BeenAroundAWhile. The fellowship - an award which you did not spot - was sentence three of the article. This AfD listing is either out of ignorance or malice. I hope the first, but you MUST understand WP:NPROF and what constitutes an award if you are to avoid making regrattable mistakes like this again. -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 04:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ミラ P 04:30, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not notable actress. WP:NOTINHERITED also applies. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete While her roles were slightly more substantial than those of her husband (also an AfD candidate), they were still minor and only in films made by her sons, David and Jerry Zucker. She gets some coverage in books about their films, but all that I found still revolves around her sons. Any such coverage including her would be more at home in the David and Jerry Zucker articles. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 16:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I have started adding sources and info to the article. One, an article in a Canadian paper in 1994, describes her as "this woman of 1,000 faces" - assassin's assistant, lady of lipstick, hard-eyed Wall Street banker, etc. The roles may have been small, but they were memorable. I will add more info to the article from the existing sources, and look for more sources too. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 14:48, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per improvements by RebeccaGreen. BD2412 T 01:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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She has won no awards nor done anything of notice beyond what is expected of a working scholar. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 03:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. I started the page. As a professional economist myself, I believe Cascio's work has been influential ( 1800 citations in Google Scholar is far more than is typical for our field). She has also won a minor prize (the Labour Economics Best Reviewer Award, 2014), and her work is frequently cited in publications such as The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Economist, and The Wall Street Journal. I would also like to point out that there is no such deletion proposal for her colleague, Ethan G. Lewis, who has had a very similar career.-- EAWH ( talk) 14:49, 2 December 2019 (UTC), modified at -- EAWH ( talk) 16:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep: Indeed, there is not: this is another in a string of highly questionable nominations of female academics and economists (targeting, among others, a named chair at Harvard and a Fellow of the Royal Academy) that shows a startling disinterest in WP:BEFORE, if not outright bad faith, several which have already closed as snow keeps. Ravenswing 16:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Passes WP:PROF#C1. In addition to the references already present, other secondary sources like [32] [33] [34] [35] could potentially be added. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep for WP:NPROF C1. Although this nomination is not as much of a snow keep as the previous batch on the academic AfD section, the keep case looks solid: several highly cited papers in a medium-to-low citation field, with a high total citation number. I'll point out on the minus side that she is an associate professor, which in the past has made us look a bit more carefully. I share concerns others express about the pointed-appearing nomination for deletion of female academics. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 18:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. AustralianRupert ( talk) 08:07, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Minor Tolkien character. Coverage in one article in the Tolkien Journal but not enough to pass WP:GNG. Hog Farm ( talk) 03:25, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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WP:BEFORE only reveals blog-esque magazines and online publications. Fails WP:GNG, could not find anything substantial that suggests WP:NMODEL, WP:CREATIVE, etc. –  UnnamedUser  (open talk page) 03:25, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Another minor Tolkien character. While a lot of Tolkien's characters are notable, there is not enough coverage in reliable sources for this figure. Hog Farm ( talk) 03:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Very minor Tolkien character. Little notability in-universe, none in the real world. Hog Farm ( talk) 02:58, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Deprodded for reason "seems notable enough". The article is only sourced to the Silmarillion and Children of Hurin and I can't find much in the way of actual coverage for this fellow. Since no coverage has popped up between my research before the prod and now, I'm taking Turgon to AfD. Hog Farm ( talk) 02:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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GNG fail. Directed a couple of films, but I cannot find any good sources. Tagged for notability since 2010 and for sources since 2008. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 02:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Ohio State University Press. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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WP:BEFORE reveals many sales pages but no WP:RS. –  UnnamedUser  (open talk page) 01:05, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

  • The sources do actually include several reviews of series books in major national review media (Kirkus, PopMatters, Publishers Weekly, various daily newspapers) that speak to the importance of individual titles and the series' relevance as a dedicated outlet for Latinx comics creators. These are not sales pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.146.189.95 ( talk) 20:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Coolabahapple: That the OSU Press article is a stub and doesn't mention other series, is not a reason to not include it -- if anything, that argues for other notable series with significant secondary coverage, like this one, ought to be covered. If there is a significant scholarly interest in this series, there is plenty of room for inclusion. Sadads ( talk) 13:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC) reply
agree (wondered if anyone would take the bait, you/others may trout me for being cheeky ), as penance have added OSUP series/imprints to OSUP article. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence of notability. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 00:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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FYI , I gave the gallery promotion a trim. Still a GNG fail. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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