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This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Repeat2341#Spam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Veganism#Feedlot_Radio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Animal_rights#Unbalanced
Update: The Mediation committee rejected my request at this time, because I have not yet exhausted all the other avenues of mediation. I am attempting to open various other avenues of discussion:
Village Pump: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28assistance%29#Veganism
Third Opinion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Veganism
Wikiquette: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Veganism
Request for Comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Politics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Religion_and_philosophy
Mediation Cabal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-07-03_WikiProject_Animal_rights
I am attempting to add either a link to, or directly add content regarding, the significant counterarguments to this point of view. The editors keep blocking my attempts, saying that I am just adding my opinions or attempting to promote my site.
I'll be honest - the POV expressed on your veganism page is "stock", the same stock I received ten years ago, the same stock that has permanently damaged my physical, mental and emotional health, reputation, and relationship to my family. I wish very strongly that I had had access to any form of reasonable counterargument at that time; my life is a recovery process from the mistakes I made due to being misinformed about veganism.
I understand that this philosophical content doesn't have references, but it is a logical point of view, and it should be present in this and related articles. The editors' actions are normal, but misguided. If I were young now, and interested in this subject, I would surely access it on wikipedia. Having no opposing points of view in these articles, and denying mine because they aren't academically referenced (they can't be! There is no academic reference to make; I had to figure all this out on my own, to my tremendous misfortune.), makes this article a useless reference, even a damaging one.
I am hoping a more objective and empowered party higher in the administrative hierarchy will hear my case and give me some option for improving the balance of these pages. Thanks!
The content I wanted to add: If you are considering vegetarianism, you should also be aware that vegan groups will not provide you with the notion that animals in feedlots do nothing except eat, are protected from the elements, and are killed as swiftly and humanely as the needs of the average working family (emotional, mental and physical) will allow. Many people feel that farm animals lives are among the easiest on the planet, might be preferred to life in the wild, and that vegetarianism as it is presented does not stand up in a larger intellectual context. Many vegans live socially and physically sheltered lives, and this is considered to be important to the overall evaluation of this concept.
The link I wanted to add:
http://www.feedlotradio.org
Repeat2341 23:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Filibuster_Cartoons
Whether or not it is appropriate and/or relevant to mention a website's factual errors/biases in an article about said website.
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mickeyklein
The talk page indicates an intractable situation, it is not a matter of bad faith but genuine disagreement. I do not believe that I can change his mind to allow my edits in.
For the page to have a NPOV it must include findings from scientists that have a different POV, including the written account of the scientists who conducted the WHO study, who provide a different POV from the dominant one on the page.
anti passive smoking POV can be included, and those scientific findings that have a different POV are excluded simply because they are direct scientific findings.
"Current scientific evidence shows that exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke causes death, disease and disability.[1][2][3][4]"
This is a factually misleading statement. There exists scientific evidence that exposure to passive smoke does not cause these things. It is unobjectionable to include "the vaste majority" or "most" but this introduction is an absolutist statement from a particular POV.
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
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This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
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This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Repeat2341#Spam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Veganism#Feedlot_Radio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Animal_rights#Unbalanced
Update: The Mediation committee rejected my request at this time, because I have not yet exhausted all the other avenues of mediation. I am attempting to open various other avenues of discussion:
Village Pump: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28assistance%29#Veganism
Third Opinion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Veganism
Wikiquette: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Veganism
Request for Comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Politics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Religion_and_philosophy
Mediation Cabal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-07-03_WikiProject_Animal_rights
I am attempting to add either a link to, or directly add content regarding, the significant counterarguments to this point of view. The editors keep blocking my attempts, saying that I am just adding my opinions or attempting to promote my site.
I'll be honest - the POV expressed on your veganism page is "stock", the same stock I received ten years ago, the same stock that has permanently damaged my physical, mental and emotional health, reputation, and relationship to my family. I wish very strongly that I had had access to any form of reasonable counterargument at that time; my life is a recovery process from the mistakes I made due to being misinformed about veganism.
I understand that this philosophical content doesn't have references, but it is a logical point of view, and it should be present in this and related articles. The editors' actions are normal, but misguided. If I were young now, and interested in this subject, I would surely access it on wikipedia. Having no opposing points of view in these articles, and denying mine because they aren't academically referenced (they can't be! There is no academic reference to make; I had to figure all this out on my own, to my tremendous misfortune.), makes this article a useless reference, even a damaging one.
I am hoping a more objective and empowered party higher in the administrative hierarchy will hear my case and give me some option for improving the balance of these pages. Thanks!
The content I wanted to add: If you are considering vegetarianism, you should also be aware that vegan groups will not provide you with the notion that animals in feedlots do nothing except eat, are protected from the elements, and are killed as swiftly and humanely as the needs of the average working family (emotional, mental and physical) will allow. Many people feel that farm animals lives are among the easiest on the planet, might be preferred to life in the wild, and that vegetarianism as it is presented does not stand up in a larger intellectual context. Many vegans live socially and physically sheltered lives, and this is considered to be important to the overall evaluation of this concept.
The link I wanted to add:
http://www.feedlotradio.org
Repeat2341 23:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
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none
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
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This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Filibuster_Cartoons
Whether or not it is appropriate and/or relevant to mention a website's factual errors/biases in an article about said website.
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mickeyklein
The talk page indicates an intractable situation, it is not a matter of bad faith but genuine disagreement. I do not believe that I can change his mind to allow my edits in.
For the page to have a NPOV it must include findings from scientists that have a different POV, including the written account of the scientists who conducted the WHO study, who provide a different POV from the dominant one on the page.
anti passive smoking POV can be included, and those scientific findings that have a different POV are excluded simply because they are direct scientific findings.
"Current scientific evidence shows that exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke causes death, disease and disability.[1][2][3][4]"
This is a factually misleading statement. There exists scientific evidence that exposure to passive smoke does not cause these things. It is unobjectionable to include "the vaste majority" or "most" but this introduction is an absolutist statement from a particular POV.
A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-mediators should not edit this section.
This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request. |
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