I am requesting mediation at Saddam Hussein. User:172 refuses to discuss the issue, so I am not sure what the mediation committe can do. Perhaps it will be necessary to refer this to arbitration. I have attempted to discuss the issue with third parties, they have not shown an interest. Using the page edit history as a poll, I have been unsuccessful in achieving a successful consensus vote. 63.230.159.235
See Talk and history. I have nothing to say about this. Rantaro 06:05, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
AndyL, having intially jumped on the bandwagon of Adam Carr's revert war over Lyndon LaRouche, has now embarked upon a campaign of looking for every edit that I have done that bears upon the LaRouche controversy, and deleting it without making an argument as to whether is incorrect or inappropriate. He has so far deleted or reverted 10 articles in this manner. I request mediation. -- Herschelkrustofsky 20:55, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have left messages for User:Herschelkrustofsky and User:AndyL on their talk pages to see if they are both willing to accept mediation. However, Andy's user page says he's away until mid-July, and Herschel is away until 10 July. I also expect that I should recuse myself as I have also been editing Lyndon LaRouche, but I will consider it if both parties desire me to act as mediator in this situation. BCorr| Брайен 16:29, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Sam's taken it upon himself to interfere in this mediation and has posted messages on Bcorr and Herschel's TALK pages complaining about Danny. Since Sam has poisoned the well I'm withdrawing my consent to a mediation rather than get into a drawn out process where Sam acts as a self appointed advocate and vetoes the entire mediation committee because of his own grievances. Since Herschell has listed me in his arbitration request along with Adam and John Kenney I'll just proceed on that track. AndyL 14:17, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Oh please, I don't even know Danny and I don't see how it's your place to judge or interfere. I just recognised his name from some talk page or another and my recollection was that he's fair and experienced. AndyL 17:58, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
X-Men a page I significantly built up, is being carelessly editted by User:Michael Rawdon. I have no problem with additions to the page but deletions and almost complete revisions to a perfectly good article are uncalled for. Thus far, Rawdon has refused to negotiate and I would like to request mediation.
Danny will be mediating this. Angela . 19:21, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There seems to be a deadlocked dispute over the article Synarchism. I indicated my willingness to accept mediation in Talk:Synarchism, and DJSupreme23 is apparently also willing to accept it.-- Herschelkrustofsky 14:40, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hi. BCorr asked me to offer my services as a mediator. I have been around Wikipedia longer than 99% of anybody (!), and I'm fairly good at helping people find consensus on articles. Would you like some help? -- Uncle Ed 00:34, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User:WHEELER and associated TALK page. Specific complaint about his anti-Semitic comment on Talk:Early_National_Socialism but also about his general conduct around POV editing and unencyclopedic behaviour. AndyL 05:31, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Uncle Ed was involved at some point in disputes on pages related to Nazis/fascism so I don't think he'd be the best candidate since\he might be seen as already having opinions on editing these topics. AndyL 19:09, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
According to his user page, AndyL is now away until September 15, so I have moved to this to the archive. If it's still an issue in September, it can be revived, but there seems little point keeping this active for two months with no activity. Angela . 20:13, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In the following articles, the users above have persistently engaged in 1) propaganda - ie either inserting wrong, unverified or unverifiable material that heavily promotes one POV, or providing only material that asserts one POV and ignores the other; 2) spamming the article rather than contributing, ie filling them with quotes and links which, again, only uncritically promote a POV; and on the article Talk pages, they have engaged in 3) protracted discussions in which they a) stubbornly refuse to accept errors of fact or reasoning; b) slander with baseless accusations of anti-Semitism and other charges, or of "censorship" when in fact a discussion has been requested or when material was in fact removed, because it was superfluous, unverifiable or factually incorrect and shown to be so; c) distort the sequence or nature of events in edit wars and discussions to conjure up further slanderous or unreasonable accusations, particularly ironic since they begin accusing me of actions they are guilty of:
Anti-Semitism, Anti-Zionism, Modern anti-Semitism (a now completely junk article), PLO and Hamas (which was voted for deletion), Media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (the latter is now relatively stable) and perhaps other assorted articles.
Apart from their encounters with me, described above, what these users have in common is a) a heightened sensitivity to any disagreement on Middle-Eastern political and ethnic issues, to which they pretend to have exclusive or superior knowledge when in fact they cannot or do not back up a great deal of what they type; b) a tendency to present or promote common right-wing and/or pro-Zionist (but usually not Zionist itself) cliches and propaganda.
As will be noticed on the Talk pages, I have shown my irritability on several occasions, but in my defense I must point out that 1) some of the propaganda and slander is particularly malicious, not just with respect to myself but larger bodies of people; 2) the users are overwhelmingly persistent and tend to resort to a "pack mentality", grouping together to refute facts or arguments that are quite uncontroversial or self-evident, making it impossible to spend any spare time available on articles that need attention; 3) I am not the only person who has confronted the same people with similar issues. They make editing on Wikipedia, otherwise a pleasure, an odious and exhausting experience. -- Simonides 23:49, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have left messages for Jayjg, RK and User:Humus sapiens to ask if they will participate in this mediation. Angela . 05:54, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Cimon avaro has agreed to mediate between Humus sapiens, Simonides and Jayjg.
I would like to retract my request for mediation with all of the above users. I am not taking back any of the arguments I have made or factual opinions stated - but I wish to end the animosity, proceed with the editing of articles whose progress has been severely hampered, and would also like to apologize to the other users for any undue stress and misunderstandings. -- Simonides 03:22, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
User:K1 is indulging in continous abusive and obscene attacks and a revert war on several articles. I have asked him in all ways possible to stop doing this and to return to a sensible discussion. I am more than happy to put his insulst behind and to continue working on Wikipedia together rather than agianst each other. I have asked him to consider mediation but did not get an answer. I would like you to invite him again and maybe something positive might come out of it. Refdoc 11:16, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
On second thoughts, I would like this to be moved to arbitration please. If he wishes mediation we can re-visit this. Seems unlikely, though. Thanks again. Refdoc 15:03, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC) His block must have run out. He has not made any comment. Could you please forward to the arbitration committee that he refused mediation ? Refdoc 21:04, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Just remove it to arbitration please. Refdoc 12:08, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I am requesting mediation at Saddam Hussein. User:172 refuses to discuss the issue, so I am not sure what the mediation committe can do. Perhaps it will be necessary to refer this to arbitration. I have attempted to discuss the issue with third parties, they have not shown an interest. Using the page edit history as a poll, I have been unsuccessful in achieving a successful consensus vote. 63.230.159.235
See Talk and history. I have nothing to say about this. Rantaro 06:05, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
AndyL, having intially jumped on the bandwagon of Adam Carr's revert war over Lyndon LaRouche, has now embarked upon a campaign of looking for every edit that I have done that bears upon the LaRouche controversy, and deleting it without making an argument as to whether is incorrect or inappropriate. He has so far deleted or reverted 10 articles in this manner. I request mediation. -- Herschelkrustofsky 20:55, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have left messages for User:Herschelkrustofsky and User:AndyL on their talk pages to see if they are both willing to accept mediation. However, Andy's user page says he's away until mid-July, and Herschel is away until 10 July. I also expect that I should recuse myself as I have also been editing Lyndon LaRouche, but I will consider it if both parties desire me to act as mediator in this situation. BCorr| Брайен 16:29, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Sam's taken it upon himself to interfere in this mediation and has posted messages on Bcorr and Herschel's TALK pages complaining about Danny. Since Sam has poisoned the well I'm withdrawing my consent to a mediation rather than get into a drawn out process where Sam acts as a self appointed advocate and vetoes the entire mediation committee because of his own grievances. Since Herschell has listed me in his arbitration request along with Adam and John Kenney I'll just proceed on that track. AndyL 14:17, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Oh please, I don't even know Danny and I don't see how it's your place to judge or interfere. I just recognised his name from some talk page or another and my recollection was that he's fair and experienced. AndyL 17:58, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
X-Men a page I significantly built up, is being carelessly editted by User:Michael Rawdon. I have no problem with additions to the page but deletions and almost complete revisions to a perfectly good article are uncalled for. Thus far, Rawdon has refused to negotiate and I would like to request mediation.
Danny will be mediating this. Angela . 19:21, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There seems to be a deadlocked dispute over the article Synarchism. I indicated my willingness to accept mediation in Talk:Synarchism, and DJSupreme23 is apparently also willing to accept it.-- Herschelkrustofsky 14:40, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hi. BCorr asked me to offer my services as a mediator. I have been around Wikipedia longer than 99% of anybody (!), and I'm fairly good at helping people find consensus on articles. Would you like some help? -- Uncle Ed 00:34, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User:WHEELER and associated TALK page. Specific complaint about his anti-Semitic comment on Talk:Early_National_Socialism but also about his general conduct around POV editing and unencyclopedic behaviour. AndyL 05:31, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Uncle Ed was involved at some point in disputes on pages related to Nazis/fascism so I don't think he'd be the best candidate since\he might be seen as already having opinions on editing these topics. AndyL 19:09, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
According to his user page, AndyL is now away until September 15, so I have moved to this to the archive. If it's still an issue in September, it can be revived, but there seems little point keeping this active for two months with no activity. Angela . 20:13, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In the following articles, the users above have persistently engaged in 1) propaganda - ie either inserting wrong, unverified or unverifiable material that heavily promotes one POV, or providing only material that asserts one POV and ignores the other; 2) spamming the article rather than contributing, ie filling them with quotes and links which, again, only uncritically promote a POV; and on the article Talk pages, they have engaged in 3) protracted discussions in which they a) stubbornly refuse to accept errors of fact or reasoning; b) slander with baseless accusations of anti-Semitism and other charges, or of "censorship" when in fact a discussion has been requested or when material was in fact removed, because it was superfluous, unverifiable or factually incorrect and shown to be so; c) distort the sequence or nature of events in edit wars and discussions to conjure up further slanderous or unreasonable accusations, particularly ironic since they begin accusing me of actions they are guilty of:
Anti-Semitism, Anti-Zionism, Modern anti-Semitism (a now completely junk article), PLO and Hamas (which was voted for deletion), Media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (the latter is now relatively stable) and perhaps other assorted articles.
Apart from their encounters with me, described above, what these users have in common is a) a heightened sensitivity to any disagreement on Middle-Eastern political and ethnic issues, to which they pretend to have exclusive or superior knowledge when in fact they cannot or do not back up a great deal of what they type; b) a tendency to present or promote common right-wing and/or pro-Zionist (but usually not Zionist itself) cliches and propaganda.
As will be noticed on the Talk pages, I have shown my irritability on several occasions, but in my defense I must point out that 1) some of the propaganda and slander is particularly malicious, not just with respect to myself but larger bodies of people; 2) the users are overwhelmingly persistent and tend to resort to a "pack mentality", grouping together to refute facts or arguments that are quite uncontroversial or self-evident, making it impossible to spend any spare time available on articles that need attention; 3) I am not the only person who has confronted the same people with similar issues. They make editing on Wikipedia, otherwise a pleasure, an odious and exhausting experience. -- Simonides 23:49, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have left messages for Jayjg, RK and User:Humus sapiens to ask if they will participate in this mediation. Angela . 05:54, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Cimon avaro has agreed to mediate between Humus sapiens, Simonides and Jayjg.
I would like to retract my request for mediation with all of the above users. I am not taking back any of the arguments I have made or factual opinions stated - but I wish to end the animosity, proceed with the editing of articles whose progress has been severely hampered, and would also like to apologize to the other users for any undue stress and misunderstandings. -- Simonides 03:22, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
User:K1 is indulging in continous abusive and obscene attacks and a revert war on several articles. I have asked him in all ways possible to stop doing this and to return to a sensible discussion. I am more than happy to put his insulst behind and to continue working on Wikipedia together rather than agianst each other. I have asked him to consider mediation but did not get an answer. I would like you to invite him again and maybe something positive might come out of it. Refdoc 11:16, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
On second thoughts, I would like this to be moved to arbitration please. If he wishes mediation we can re-visit this. Seems unlikely, though. Thanks again. Refdoc 15:03, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC) His block must have run out. He has not made any comment. Could you please forward to the arbitration committee that he refused mediation ? Refdoc 21:04, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Just remove it to arbitration please. Refdoc 12:08, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)