I am currently involved in a dispute with User:Zestauferov about the classification of Nazarene Judaism. At User:Zestauferov's request, User:Ed Poor has locked the page in the form User:Zestauferov prefers. Would it be possible to get mediation on this? Thanks. Jayjg 21:40, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In addition to littering the Talk: page with ad hominem statements directed at me, Talk:Nazarene_Judaism#What_is_ad_hominem.3F Zestauferov has now started editing my Talk: page comments [1] ; I'm not sure mediation is a serious enough remedy any more. Jayjg 16:19, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I was simply giving you a reason for the baseless comment you made, and I was also not myself last night. With regards to intersecting comments on a talk page, I find it to be a very effective way of addressing the specific points without them interrupting the flow of other points which are more effective. I did look through the Wikiuette pages you recomended but could not find anything about the topic. Remember though every time we post anything on wiki. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it. I do not think I have violated any specific point of wikiquette by doing this, and it would make discussions very difficult indeed if we do not do this (the would just ramble on as "cohesive wholes" in a very booring manner ad nauseum.) andyway, I am still open for anyone who wants to mediate between us. Zestauferov 01:44, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Case archived, based on Jayjg's last comments. -- BCorr| Брайен 13:44, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
As described on Wikipedia:Requests for comment, there has been an on-again, off-again conflict in editing at Israel Shahak, talk:Israel Shahak, Edward Said, and talk:Edward Said, all regarding content regarding Israel Shahak. Not only is the actual content of the article at an impasse ( Israel Shahak has been protected for a few days now), but the discussion on the talk page does not appear to be productive. The three people who have been most engaged in this conflict are User:RK, User:DanKeshet (myself), and User:Zero0000. Zero and I have stated that RK is not being intellectually honest, while RK has stated that Zero and I are being anti-Semitic. I have asked RK if he would join me in seeking mediation regarding this dispute, and have asked Zero whether he wishes to participate. DanKeshet 08:07, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay. Do any of you have any preferences as to the mediator? There is a list of committee members at Wikipedia:Mediation Committee. (I am not currently available myself). -- sannse (talk) 21:26, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Some of the members of the mediation committee have recused ourselves from participating in this issue. Would all of you agree to having Cimon avaro act as mediator on a trial basis? If so, please sign beside your name.
Actually, I have just withdrawn my Request for Mediation, so Cimon can proceed with mediation here. -- Simonides 03:40, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Cimon has disappeared so we have asked Neutrality and Moink to mediate instead. Neutrality has agreed. Please let us know if this is acceptable to you. Danny 02:06, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
CVA is refusing to discuss over partisan page (whether Polish partisan forces were major ot not), deleting questions from his talk page, vandalises other users page and simply reverting an article without giving reason. Therefore I feel that we need a mediator who would convince him to start discussing before forcing his POV. Szopen 10:04, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
However i note that he still is refusing to admit that he was in error and despite being pointed to the sources and various daya he defers them all just because they are Polish. Szopen 07:08, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I am asking for mediation on this user, I feel that his sole purpose is to insert POV material into articles, and he has started an edit war over Supply-side economics. Stirling Newberry 12:19, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Thank you both for being willing to work with me to mediate your conflict. I propose that I create a topic (thread) on the mediation message board, and if there is no objection, I will get things going tomorrow. You can set up an account on the message board here if you don't already have one. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 22:07, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have created the topic (thread) on the mediation bulletin board here. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 17:21, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Request mediation with Nunh-huh regarding his posting of nonfactual information, false allegations of vandalism, and harassment practices on User_talk:Adraeus and Talk:Evolutionary_creationism. Adraeus 21:18, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure exactly how to do this, but I am requesting mediation in the conflict at Texans for Truth.The page became protected about a week ago at the behest of User:Rex071404 and his complaints that the page was biased. I have worked tirelessly for Rex to specifically state what he thinks about the article is biased, but he vehemently refuses to address any particulars in the article.
When first asked when he would be satisfied with the current page, he replied:
"I am satisfied when they are NPOV - or at minimum - not outrageous anti-Bush screeds." In addition,
"The whole thing stinks. I am going to attempt to re-write as much as I can over time, until it no longer does stink."
"The entire article reeks of anti-Bush POV and also as far as I am concerned, needs a full re-write from top to bottom."
Yet the other editors and myself have explicitly asked Rex 15 times to provide passages/quotations/line numbers, or SPECIFIC examples of this bias, and to no avail except that he is planning on editing the page when it becomes unprotected.
The main portion of this dialogue can be found here and here. Thanks :) -- kizzle 18:39, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
I would also like to add that Rex071404 has accused me of being a sockpuppet and now uses quotes around my nickname in order to harass me about this accusation. Notice that he does not use these quotes for any other user but me. I asked him to specifically state who he thought I was a sockpuppet to, but he refuses and is merely content to harass me by not referring to me as Kizzle but derogatorily as "Kizzle". -- kizzle 18:39, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
Quick question for the mediator who responds... are outside comments encouraged in mediations or is dialog restricted to the two parties involved --
kizzle 23:46, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC) I'll do this myself.
Archived as of 18:43, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) because the disputants are working things out on their own. BCorr| Брайен
i would like to request mediation between me (vbs) and PedroPVZ on the articles related to the portuguese language, more specifically the portuguese language ( talk) and Brazilian Portuguese ( talk) at the moment. basically, PedroPVZ has possessed every single article related to the portuguese language and will not allow anyone modify them. this problem has been going on for months. earlier on, he would simply revert anything that didn't please him and claim it was "POV" (example here). back then i had decided myself not to interfere but had always kept a look at what was going on. at some point later, i ended up exploding and pointed out was he was doing. as i was getting very stressed and couldn't see any progress, i left wikipedia for a couple of months. i came back a few days ago and noticed things were actually getting worse. as i didn't know what to do, i posted more comments about his actions hoping for any help and then tried to edit the articles unsuccessfully as PedroPVZ reverted them. it seems that after what i had said earlier, PedroPVZ's "POV" reverts became so obvious that he started doing something more serious. he now reverts/deletes edits he doesn't like and claim they are "vandalism" (example here, it's good to note in this example that he had already made unrelated edits to the article and only a good 3 hours later did he decide to come back and completely revert it as "vandalism"). as nothing i tried doing to solve this problem seemed to work, i went through the help articles and finally got here. the main thing is, PedroPVZ doesn't like the idea of brazilian portuguese and european portuguese being different, and whenever someone adds any info that could prove anything to be different, he simply deletes it instantly so nobody else can see it. i have pointed many references on the internet opposing many of his claims and proving much of what i wrote (i didn't even write much really, as edit wars were obvious forseen), but he simply ignores all of them and calls them "websites in english trying to cheat non-natives", while he doesn't back up any of his claims and just repeats that his claims are "real linguistic works" and that the rest is "non-sence". Vbs 10:06, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Declined in this edit. BCorr| Брайен 21:24, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The bulk of my issue with orthogonal is well summed up at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/orthogonal. But, as that procedure has a number of rules and procedures, it's proving to be a format that is not well-suited to resolving a dispute that is largely based around a differing opinion of how rules should be treated. I think mediation might provide that. Snowspinner 16:27, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)
I accept the case. Can we start it tomorrow? Danny 00:13, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Archived on 16:44, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC) as this is now being considered at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration -- after the mediation was inactive due to lack of action by the disputants. BCorr| Брайен
Hi, I am a new Wikipedian so please forgive me if I've made any rookie mistakes with this request.
VV and I seem to be at loggerheads over the article PNAC. We have talked things over in some depth at the bottom of the discussion page, but our differences are just turning into an edit war and I really think a neutral observer could be very helpful in making some progress here. Thanks. CK 01:57, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
About Eroticism in film and the personal war ensued between both parties thereafter. " Antonio Cant Buy Me Love Martin"
Since this is now listed on requests for comment, this request will be archived. It can be restored if that process does not lead to resolution. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 21:00, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In this article, many people insist that Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) are non-Christians and controversy based on their faith, but I think this is a libel to JWs, because they say they are Christians. (See Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses) In this case,
Please answer and mediate. Rantaro 05:30, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
And please mediate with Wesley. Rantaro 00:20, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Wesley has declined mediation on this issue with Rantaro. His explanation is as follows:
If this is the entire point of conflict, then I consider this matter resolved. -- llywrch 18:08, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
User:Shorne engages in edit wars on the articles, Great Purge, Communism, Communist state and People's Republic of China. He claims to be removing POV material and demands documentation, but no matter how minutely referenced, removal continues. Most references are unacceptable in his view including references which are generally accepted in the scholarly community. When negotiation is attempted he pleads lack of time and energy, but continues to have plenty of time and energy for his edit wars with me and other editors. I know he must agree to mediate and set aside time for mediating, but the destructive effect of his constant edit warring mandates that some action be taken. Fred Bauder 21:57, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
User Jayjg, in relation to the WP:Bias project, has claimed that I "don't oppose systemic bias, you're just looking for a socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism." (from User_talk:Jayjg#Rogue admin?). As well as being blatantly untrue, it belittles all the effort I, and others, have put into the project. Jayjg has also claimed that the project grew out of "attempts to minimize the significance of the 9/11 attacks." (from User_talk:Jayjg#Systemic_bias). He has provided no evidence for either assertion, even after I requested this EIGHT times. Instead, he ignores the question, or cites irrelevant information. I request a full apology. The rules broken include Wikipedia:No personal attacks, Wikipedia:Civility, and Wikipedia:Assume good faith. My preferred mediator is User:Ed_Poor --- Xed 11:04, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm ready. - Xed 14:46, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm ready as well, Ed, and I wish us all luck. :-) Jayjg 22:28, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I would like to ask for formal mediation between myself (OSO) and User:Zen-master regarding this topic. I am personally happy for anyone to come along and help, though it would be really good if someone with knowledge of the subject can step in. Hubbert Peak is an equation that is used to determine the amount of time before oil levels peak. It is currently a controversial subject because of high oil prices and a perception among many people that oil is beginning to run out.
My contribution to the subject is in regards to the Athabasca Tar Sands, which is a region of Alberta, Canada, where approximately one-third of the world's petroleum supplies exist. For many years oil companies have been talking about exploiting this resource as a way of producing more oil for world consumption. If Hubbert's peak if correct and we are beginning to run out of oil, then the oil in the tar sands should become viable for use.
User:Zen-master, however, removed my editing of the article and has steadfastly refused to include the information in the article. He does not believe my assertion that the tar sands actually have an impact of the article. I have given him ample external links as a way of proving my argument but he appears to have ignored them. Go to Talk:Hubbert Peak for all the sordid details.
The problem has been inflamed somewhat by a mistake I made early in the piece when I decided that Zen-master was actually a friend of mine who is mad about Hubbert's peak and who was recently introduced to Wikipedia by myself. Therefore some of my early remarks were, how shall I say? Intemperate. When I rang my friend and found out that it wasn't him I made an apology in the discussion.
I believe that I have (apart from the aforementioned intemperance) treated Zen-master with respect and attempted to work together to solve the problem. This has not worked as the talk page will show. The way Zen-master works appears similar to trolling.
Zen-master also logs on as 207.172.83.26 One Salient Oversight 07:38, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
One thing that Zen and I would agree upon, people, is that we need someone quick. We may even have move straight to abritration. One Salient Oversight 12:44, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
One Salient Oversight turned down mediation; "I am no longer going to participate in this debate...". See Archive 10
Chuck F also edits from:
Chuck has been removing quite a bit of information from libertarian-related articles. He was the subject of an RFC Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Chuck F but continues to participate in revert wars. A new problem has also come along: starting with User:Reithy, a string of new users have come along for the sole purpose of fighting with Chuck. Chuck agreed to mediation but requested that these users not participate in mediation, and I agree: They are trolls and they should not be a part of this. They deserve to be disciplined, but separately from this dispute. If the mediators feel they should be included, please communicate this to Chuck.
I'd like to help Chuck agree to behave on articles such as Michael Badnarik, United States Libertarian Party, Ron Paul, and General Motors. I would like him to explain why he feels large-scale deletions are the proper response to perceived POV issues. Chuck's M.O. is to delete whole sections, and then gradually reduce the scope of his deletions until they are accepted through attrition. He started by deleting entire parts of Wal-Mart and Exxon Mobil, then through a tedious process, agreed to include most of what he originally deleted. For the purpose of this mediation, I'd like to use the e-mail address rhobite at gmail dot com. Rhobite 19:48, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you both. I suggest we start with email. IRC is available if we need it, but I find that email is a good starting place for clear communication. My email address is sannse (a) tiscali.co.uk
Let's start with you both mailing me with a description of the problem as you each see it and a description of what you want to get out of this mediation.
Please both read Wikipedia:Confidentiality during mediation before mailing. This sets out the general terms of confidentiality I work to. Please let me know if you are happy with this or if anything there is unclear.
Mediation is often not a quick process. I will reply as quickly as I can to all mail, but be prepared for this to take a while. But with both of you obviously willing to talk that's a great place to start. -- sannse (talk) 18:21, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Mr. Williamson has, since the 2nd of October, tried first anonymously to remove Joan of Arc completely from the article (where she was listed as an example of cross-dressing), he only commented on this edits after I had the article locked so he had to. Ever since the article has been unlocked, and after he realised that she would not be removed from the article, he has constantly tried to push his POV that Joan cross-dressed out of pure necessity, not because of any reasons he describes as "deviant". (The latter not being exactly neutral, either). The article previously stated explicitly that no reason could be given for historical persons (see the article and the debate for details). Already much of the old content on Joan has been replaced by him with content that support his POV, but still he strives to remove any last remnant of reason. I tried for two weeks now to make him see what the debate, from my side, was about, and I have gotten pretty insulting answers that were besides the point, and constant misrepresentation of my statements, at one time he even completely misrepresented a completely unrelated debate I had participated in (on Talk:Joan of Arc (cross-dressing), then a VfD debate). I had been happy if, instead of just pushing his POV, Mr. Williamson had actually tried to contribute something without pushing his POV so much. Also, others have weighted in, trying to bring him there, too. However, he only sees what he wants to seen, and he certainly does not want to see anything critical of him and his POV. Now that he starts accusing me of "vandalism", because I reverted his POV removal of one sentence twice, I have given up to believe that any meaningfull debate between us can take place, an RfC did not help, either, and I therefore request mediation. -- AlexR 11:57, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm happy to act as a mediator here, if neither party objects to my presence. Ambi 03:20, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I am currently involved in a dispute with User:Zestauferov about the classification of Nazarene Judaism. At User:Zestauferov's request, User:Ed Poor has locked the page in the form User:Zestauferov prefers. Would it be possible to get mediation on this? Thanks. Jayjg 21:40, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In addition to littering the Talk: page with ad hominem statements directed at me, Talk:Nazarene_Judaism#What_is_ad_hominem.3F Zestauferov has now started editing my Talk: page comments [1] ; I'm not sure mediation is a serious enough remedy any more. Jayjg 16:19, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I was simply giving you a reason for the baseless comment you made, and I was also not myself last night. With regards to intersecting comments on a talk page, I find it to be a very effective way of addressing the specific points without them interrupting the flow of other points which are more effective. I did look through the Wikiuette pages you recomended but could not find anything about the topic. Remember though every time we post anything on wiki. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it. I do not think I have violated any specific point of wikiquette by doing this, and it would make discussions very difficult indeed if we do not do this (the would just ramble on as "cohesive wholes" in a very booring manner ad nauseum.) andyway, I am still open for anyone who wants to mediate between us. Zestauferov 01:44, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Case archived, based on Jayjg's last comments. -- BCorr| Брайен 13:44, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
As described on Wikipedia:Requests for comment, there has been an on-again, off-again conflict in editing at Israel Shahak, talk:Israel Shahak, Edward Said, and talk:Edward Said, all regarding content regarding Israel Shahak. Not only is the actual content of the article at an impasse ( Israel Shahak has been protected for a few days now), but the discussion on the talk page does not appear to be productive. The three people who have been most engaged in this conflict are User:RK, User:DanKeshet (myself), and User:Zero0000. Zero and I have stated that RK is not being intellectually honest, while RK has stated that Zero and I are being anti-Semitic. I have asked RK if he would join me in seeking mediation regarding this dispute, and have asked Zero whether he wishes to participate. DanKeshet 08:07, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay. Do any of you have any preferences as to the mediator? There is a list of committee members at Wikipedia:Mediation Committee. (I am not currently available myself). -- sannse (talk) 21:26, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Some of the members of the mediation committee have recused ourselves from participating in this issue. Would all of you agree to having Cimon avaro act as mediator on a trial basis? If so, please sign beside your name.
Actually, I have just withdrawn my Request for Mediation, so Cimon can proceed with mediation here. -- Simonides 03:40, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Cimon has disappeared so we have asked Neutrality and Moink to mediate instead. Neutrality has agreed. Please let us know if this is acceptable to you. Danny 02:06, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
CVA is refusing to discuss over partisan page (whether Polish partisan forces were major ot not), deleting questions from his talk page, vandalises other users page and simply reverting an article without giving reason. Therefore I feel that we need a mediator who would convince him to start discussing before forcing his POV. Szopen 10:04, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
However i note that he still is refusing to admit that he was in error and despite being pointed to the sources and various daya he defers them all just because they are Polish. Szopen 07:08, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I am asking for mediation on this user, I feel that his sole purpose is to insert POV material into articles, and he has started an edit war over Supply-side economics. Stirling Newberry 12:19, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Thank you both for being willing to work with me to mediate your conflict. I propose that I create a topic (thread) on the mediation message board, and if there is no objection, I will get things going tomorrow. You can set up an account on the message board here if you don't already have one. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 22:07, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have created the topic (thread) on the mediation bulletin board here. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 17:21, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Request mediation with Nunh-huh regarding his posting of nonfactual information, false allegations of vandalism, and harassment practices on User_talk:Adraeus and Talk:Evolutionary_creationism. Adraeus 21:18, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure exactly how to do this, but I am requesting mediation in the conflict at Texans for Truth.The page became protected about a week ago at the behest of User:Rex071404 and his complaints that the page was biased. I have worked tirelessly for Rex to specifically state what he thinks about the article is biased, but he vehemently refuses to address any particulars in the article.
When first asked when he would be satisfied with the current page, he replied:
"I am satisfied when they are NPOV - or at minimum - not outrageous anti-Bush screeds." In addition,
"The whole thing stinks. I am going to attempt to re-write as much as I can over time, until it no longer does stink."
"The entire article reeks of anti-Bush POV and also as far as I am concerned, needs a full re-write from top to bottom."
Yet the other editors and myself have explicitly asked Rex 15 times to provide passages/quotations/line numbers, or SPECIFIC examples of this bias, and to no avail except that he is planning on editing the page when it becomes unprotected.
The main portion of this dialogue can be found here and here. Thanks :) -- kizzle 18:39, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
I would also like to add that Rex071404 has accused me of being a sockpuppet and now uses quotes around my nickname in order to harass me about this accusation. Notice that he does not use these quotes for any other user but me. I asked him to specifically state who he thought I was a sockpuppet to, but he refuses and is merely content to harass me by not referring to me as Kizzle but derogatorily as "Kizzle". -- kizzle 18:39, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
Quick question for the mediator who responds... are outside comments encouraged in mediations or is dialog restricted to the two parties involved --
kizzle 23:46, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC) I'll do this myself.
Archived as of 18:43, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) because the disputants are working things out on their own. BCorr| Брайен
i would like to request mediation between me (vbs) and PedroPVZ on the articles related to the portuguese language, more specifically the portuguese language ( talk) and Brazilian Portuguese ( talk) at the moment. basically, PedroPVZ has possessed every single article related to the portuguese language and will not allow anyone modify them. this problem has been going on for months. earlier on, he would simply revert anything that didn't please him and claim it was "POV" (example here). back then i had decided myself not to interfere but had always kept a look at what was going on. at some point later, i ended up exploding and pointed out was he was doing. as i was getting very stressed and couldn't see any progress, i left wikipedia for a couple of months. i came back a few days ago and noticed things were actually getting worse. as i didn't know what to do, i posted more comments about his actions hoping for any help and then tried to edit the articles unsuccessfully as PedroPVZ reverted them. it seems that after what i had said earlier, PedroPVZ's "POV" reverts became so obvious that he started doing something more serious. he now reverts/deletes edits he doesn't like and claim they are "vandalism" (example here, it's good to note in this example that he had already made unrelated edits to the article and only a good 3 hours later did he decide to come back and completely revert it as "vandalism"). as nothing i tried doing to solve this problem seemed to work, i went through the help articles and finally got here. the main thing is, PedroPVZ doesn't like the idea of brazilian portuguese and european portuguese being different, and whenever someone adds any info that could prove anything to be different, he simply deletes it instantly so nobody else can see it. i have pointed many references on the internet opposing many of his claims and proving much of what i wrote (i didn't even write much really, as edit wars were obvious forseen), but he simply ignores all of them and calls them "websites in english trying to cheat non-natives", while he doesn't back up any of his claims and just repeats that his claims are "real linguistic works" and that the rest is "non-sence". Vbs 10:06, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Declined in this edit. BCorr| Брайен 21:24, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The bulk of my issue with orthogonal is well summed up at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/orthogonal. But, as that procedure has a number of rules and procedures, it's proving to be a format that is not well-suited to resolving a dispute that is largely based around a differing opinion of how rules should be treated. I think mediation might provide that. Snowspinner 16:27, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)
I accept the case. Can we start it tomorrow? Danny 00:13, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Archived on 16:44, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC) as this is now being considered at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration -- after the mediation was inactive due to lack of action by the disputants. BCorr| Брайен
Hi, I am a new Wikipedian so please forgive me if I've made any rookie mistakes with this request.
VV and I seem to be at loggerheads over the article PNAC. We have talked things over in some depth at the bottom of the discussion page, but our differences are just turning into an edit war and I really think a neutral observer could be very helpful in making some progress here. Thanks. CK 01:57, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
About Eroticism in film and the personal war ensued between both parties thereafter. " Antonio Cant Buy Me Love Martin"
Since this is now listed on requests for comment, this request will be archived. It can be restored if that process does not lead to resolution. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 21:00, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In this article, many people insist that Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) are non-Christians and controversy based on their faith, but I think this is a libel to JWs, because they say they are Christians. (See Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses) In this case,
Please answer and mediate. Rantaro 05:30, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
And please mediate with Wesley. Rantaro 00:20, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Wesley has declined mediation on this issue with Rantaro. His explanation is as follows:
If this is the entire point of conflict, then I consider this matter resolved. -- llywrch 18:08, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
User:Shorne engages in edit wars on the articles, Great Purge, Communism, Communist state and People's Republic of China. He claims to be removing POV material and demands documentation, but no matter how minutely referenced, removal continues. Most references are unacceptable in his view including references which are generally accepted in the scholarly community. When negotiation is attempted he pleads lack of time and energy, but continues to have plenty of time and energy for his edit wars with me and other editors. I know he must agree to mediate and set aside time for mediating, but the destructive effect of his constant edit warring mandates that some action be taken. Fred Bauder 21:57, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
User Jayjg, in relation to the WP:Bias project, has claimed that I "don't oppose systemic bias, you're just looking for a socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism." (from User_talk:Jayjg#Rogue admin?). As well as being blatantly untrue, it belittles all the effort I, and others, have put into the project. Jayjg has also claimed that the project grew out of "attempts to minimize the significance of the 9/11 attacks." (from User_talk:Jayjg#Systemic_bias). He has provided no evidence for either assertion, even after I requested this EIGHT times. Instead, he ignores the question, or cites irrelevant information. I request a full apology. The rules broken include Wikipedia:No personal attacks, Wikipedia:Civility, and Wikipedia:Assume good faith. My preferred mediator is User:Ed_Poor --- Xed 11:04, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm ready. - Xed 14:46, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm ready as well, Ed, and I wish us all luck. :-) Jayjg 22:28, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I would like to ask for formal mediation between myself (OSO) and User:Zen-master regarding this topic. I am personally happy for anyone to come along and help, though it would be really good if someone with knowledge of the subject can step in. Hubbert Peak is an equation that is used to determine the amount of time before oil levels peak. It is currently a controversial subject because of high oil prices and a perception among many people that oil is beginning to run out.
My contribution to the subject is in regards to the Athabasca Tar Sands, which is a region of Alberta, Canada, where approximately one-third of the world's petroleum supplies exist. For many years oil companies have been talking about exploiting this resource as a way of producing more oil for world consumption. If Hubbert's peak if correct and we are beginning to run out of oil, then the oil in the tar sands should become viable for use.
User:Zen-master, however, removed my editing of the article and has steadfastly refused to include the information in the article. He does not believe my assertion that the tar sands actually have an impact of the article. I have given him ample external links as a way of proving my argument but he appears to have ignored them. Go to Talk:Hubbert Peak for all the sordid details.
The problem has been inflamed somewhat by a mistake I made early in the piece when I decided that Zen-master was actually a friend of mine who is mad about Hubbert's peak and who was recently introduced to Wikipedia by myself. Therefore some of my early remarks were, how shall I say? Intemperate. When I rang my friend and found out that it wasn't him I made an apology in the discussion.
I believe that I have (apart from the aforementioned intemperance) treated Zen-master with respect and attempted to work together to solve the problem. This has not worked as the talk page will show. The way Zen-master works appears similar to trolling.
Zen-master also logs on as 207.172.83.26 One Salient Oversight 07:38, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
One thing that Zen and I would agree upon, people, is that we need someone quick. We may even have move straight to abritration. One Salient Oversight 12:44, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
One Salient Oversight turned down mediation; "I am no longer going to participate in this debate...". See Archive 10
Chuck F also edits from:
Chuck has been removing quite a bit of information from libertarian-related articles. He was the subject of an RFC Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Chuck F but continues to participate in revert wars. A new problem has also come along: starting with User:Reithy, a string of new users have come along for the sole purpose of fighting with Chuck. Chuck agreed to mediation but requested that these users not participate in mediation, and I agree: They are trolls and they should not be a part of this. They deserve to be disciplined, but separately from this dispute. If the mediators feel they should be included, please communicate this to Chuck.
I'd like to help Chuck agree to behave on articles such as Michael Badnarik, United States Libertarian Party, Ron Paul, and General Motors. I would like him to explain why he feels large-scale deletions are the proper response to perceived POV issues. Chuck's M.O. is to delete whole sections, and then gradually reduce the scope of his deletions until they are accepted through attrition. He started by deleting entire parts of Wal-Mart and Exxon Mobil, then through a tedious process, agreed to include most of what he originally deleted. For the purpose of this mediation, I'd like to use the e-mail address rhobite at gmail dot com. Rhobite 19:48, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you both. I suggest we start with email. IRC is available if we need it, but I find that email is a good starting place for clear communication. My email address is sannse (a) tiscali.co.uk
Let's start with you both mailing me with a description of the problem as you each see it and a description of what you want to get out of this mediation.
Please both read Wikipedia:Confidentiality during mediation before mailing. This sets out the general terms of confidentiality I work to. Please let me know if you are happy with this or if anything there is unclear.
Mediation is often not a quick process. I will reply as quickly as I can to all mail, but be prepared for this to take a while. But with both of you obviously willing to talk that's a great place to start. -- sannse (talk) 18:21, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Mr. Williamson has, since the 2nd of October, tried first anonymously to remove Joan of Arc completely from the article (where she was listed as an example of cross-dressing), he only commented on this edits after I had the article locked so he had to. Ever since the article has been unlocked, and after he realised that she would not be removed from the article, he has constantly tried to push his POV that Joan cross-dressed out of pure necessity, not because of any reasons he describes as "deviant". (The latter not being exactly neutral, either). The article previously stated explicitly that no reason could be given for historical persons (see the article and the debate for details). Already much of the old content on Joan has been replaced by him with content that support his POV, but still he strives to remove any last remnant of reason. I tried for two weeks now to make him see what the debate, from my side, was about, and I have gotten pretty insulting answers that were besides the point, and constant misrepresentation of my statements, at one time he even completely misrepresented a completely unrelated debate I had participated in (on Talk:Joan of Arc (cross-dressing), then a VfD debate). I had been happy if, instead of just pushing his POV, Mr. Williamson had actually tried to contribute something without pushing his POV so much. Also, others have weighted in, trying to bring him there, too. However, he only sees what he wants to seen, and he certainly does not want to see anything critical of him and his POV. Now that he starts accusing me of "vandalism", because I reverted his POV removal of one sentence twice, I have given up to believe that any meaningfull debate between us can take place, an RfC did not help, either, and I therefore request mediation. -- AlexR 11:57, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm happy to act as a mediator here, if neither party objects to my presence. Ambi 03:20, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)