I would like to request some outside intervention for a situation that has arisen. The user Curps seems intent on reversioning every edit I make, without explanation in the summaries or on talk pages. I've made several changes to entries recently, and all of them seem to have been reverted by Curps, so either he is watching the same pages I am, or watching my contributions, and reversioning them without explanation. I would like for somebody to epxlain to Curps that he needs to discuss reversions, especially if he is going around unmaking everything one user (me) does. - Plautus satire 01:32, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Curps reversions of Plautus satire as shown by page histories:
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Plautus_satire&curid=467565&action=history
I suppose these are the tactics they have decided to adopt. I have been banned for simple disputed editions by Raul654, and he is actively engaged in trying to eliminate me from wikipedia (though he claims on my talk page he is ignoring me, then not ignoring me, then ignoring me, not ignoring and ignoring again on the advice of others). I presume their intention now is to keep attacking every edition I make until somebody else steps in, hoping that I will become frustrated and violate public policy. - Plautus satire 02:17, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I notice looking at the talk pageWikipedia:Requests for comment/Plautus satire page it seems that there is something of a "gang" that regularly dishes the dirt on me. Hopefully it will not become necessary for me to implicate Raul654, SheikYerBooty, and Evercat, as it seems they are engaged in an active, concerted effort to limit and/or cut off my contributions to wikipedia entirely. Perhaps Curps was chosen to be the sacrificial goat in this case, doing the "dirty work," though it seems all of the people I mention above at one point have reversioned my edits without consideration or banned me on flimsy grounds. Clearly there is an open, concerted effort by these people to eliminate my contributions, hopefully we can get some mediation on this issue to calm people down before they again step over the line "dealing with" me. -
Plautus satire 02:12, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Is there anyone monitoring this forum who is not personally involved in this ongoing vendetta who can lend a hand dealing with these people who will not cease being hostile toward me? I just want them to listen to reason and end this petty war they keep trying to start. - Plautus satire 04:41, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Plautus, this is very simple - will you, or will you not accept mediation? →Raul654 04:33, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
This is not the place to discuss the facts. Everybody please do nothing more than state that you would like mediation and which members of the Wikipedia:Mediation Committee you would/would not accept as mediator. Sam, who do you want mediation with? Just Curps? If more than that, would everybody being contained in the "et al" accept Curps as a spokesman? Tuf-Kat 16:54, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
I reject any notion that this "process" should be ruled by any single individual. When Raul654 started this process which I describe as a personal vendetta, he surrendered his rights to ownership of that process. I also reject any suggestion that Raul654 take part in mediation or arbitration of this crusade that has been staged by him. Staged by him, but no longer directed by him, much to his chagrin. I have accepted Sam as a mediator and have stated that I do not require mediation other than to politely ask that these users end their personal war they are currently waging against me. I feel attacking editions or selecting which editions to attack based on the user name associated with them does not serve the purposes of wikipedia and I would like somebody to politely ask them to stop. If I did some steps out of order or if I escalated some "process" already staged by Raul654, I make no apologies, but do express regret. I did nothing malicious but I may have in my ignorance done something wrong. If there is some process by which I can petition users to try and politely ask these vindictive users from persecuting me, I would avail myself of that instead. - Plautus satire 18:47, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It rules him out in an official mediator - any user (involved in other disputes or not) is at liberty to work with others in a private mediation. That's an extension of step 2 of dispute resolution. But getting back to the official process, Plautus satire didn't make clear who he was requesting mediation with. I think that has to be a first step (any refusal to mediation with Raul may be irrelevant if he is considered part of a separate dispute not currently being looked at)
So the questions we need answered are:
-- sannse 19:40, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC) (see notes in this subsection regarding the inappropriateness of Sannse's participation in this issue) - Plautus satire 18:35, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Curps assessment is dead-on. Considering I am probably the person most familiar with Plautus' (alleged) transgressions, and that I'm the one who wrote the RFC, I would probably be the best choice to mediate with. For the record, Tuf-kat is fine by me as well. Now,Curps is also correct that I am following the dispute resolution guidelines to the letter. Now that Plautus has explictely rejected mediation, I put forth that this be moved to step five - arbitration. →Raul654 20:39, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
What I object to is Raul654 mediating between myself and Curps et al, as Raul654 is a member defined by et al, which sets up a conflict of interests. I do not wish for Raul654 to mediate between myself and Raul654, as that would defeat the purpose of obtaining impartial assistance. As for who the et al is, I have named them in this request for mediation. I do not object to mediation of this issue between myself and Curps et al. I have also stated that I want no formal action taken against Curps et al, and only wish to have another user politely ask them to cease this personal vendetta. They do not heed my requests to do so, perhaps they would heed the requests of others, I don't know. What I do know is that I am making every good will effort here to resolve this without having them punished for their behaviour. But if punishment is my only recourse to make them behave, I will seek punishment. - Plautus satire 21:14, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Allow me to clarify - I have no wish to lead mediation. I intend to be a party TO the mediation - But Plautus has already rejected that. So unless he changes his mind, this should go to the arbitration committee. →Raul654 21:19, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
I can simply ask that somebody please ask Curps et al to cease this vendetta, and I have asked for precisely that. That is all I seek and that is all I intend to get. Raul654, why can't we be friends? Why are you pursuing this agenda against me? - Plautus satire 21:37, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It is now apparent that this attempt for peaceful outside intervention has met with complete failure. Too many users presently involved seem to be willingly or inadvertantly ignoring my repeated affirmitive responses to the acceptance of or entrance into mediation of this issue. I state now again, hopefully for the last time, that I want somebody to try and help myself and Curps et al to end this personality-based feud. - Plautus satire 22:17, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've already named my advocate in this matter, Sam Spade, who volunteered to help me. - Plautus satire 22:50, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Sannse, I realize you're trying to help, but I have made it very clear I did not ask for mediation, so I am under no obligation to pick a mediator from this list you keep shoving in front of me. I asked for somebody to talk to these people on my behalf, and Sam Spade offered to mediate, but as it turns out he is only an advocate, which is exactly what I asked for in the first place. Now unless Sam Spade is withdrawing his initial offer to help, I already have chosen. Now all that remains is for Sam Spade to either help me, explain that his offer for help is withdrawn, or not help me despite his statements that he would. I can't force him to help me, unless he is on the mediator list, apparently, and I do not want to force Sam Spade to help me. If he has reconsidered his decision to help me he needs to let me know he now refuses the help he initially offered. - Plautus satire 01:50, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Plautus - either you accept mediation or it goes to the arbitration committeee - your choice. →Raul654 02:11, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
The following statements are all quoted from my own editions to this section of this page:
I could go on, there are many summaries in the page histories where I explicitly state over and over again I do not object to the idea of mediation of this issue, and though my original request was for a simple message service to Curps et al, I would accept Sam Spade as a private mediator. He has since withdrawn his services from me in an official capacity as advocate in a formal mediation process, which I had asked for, but I have still accepted him as a private mediator. No one else in this case has accepted Sam Spade as a private mediator. If Sam Spade insists on withdrawing his assistance from this case, then another mediator must be chosen. - Plautus satire 06:40, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To make this very simple, let's make the analogy to a trial. Curps and I intend to play the part of the prosecutor/plaintiff. You are the defendant. Sam offered to be your advocate - IE, your lawyer. You seem to think he is going to be the mediator - IE, the judge. This is not going to happen. The mediator must be chosen from the mediation committee and agreed upon by both parties. If you refuse to participate, it goes to arbitration. Make your choice. →Raul654 07:01, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
::::Clearly you were not acting in an official capacity, as I see no legitemate response to my request for mediation with Curps. Now I ask you again to strike (or delete, I don't care which) your irrelevant and unproductive comments that were clearly made in ignorance. (See explanation below where I clear up the confusion created by Curps et al.) -
Plautus satire 19:52, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC) (After further review I withdraw this comment as I see Sannse did at least initially try to clear up process issues, I apologize for the repeated request, Sannse, thank you for withdrawing from this discussion since you are undesirous to mediate. -
Plautus satire 19:56, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC))
Don't jump the gun, yet. Now all that remains is for SheikYerBooty, and Evercat, to agree to this mediation. - Plautus satire 18:31, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User:SheikYerBooty has informed me that he wishes to participate - I was going to mention it later. Evercat is on wiki-vacation. I am willing to act as spokesman, unless someone else really wants to do it. →Raul654 21:11, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
What I want is what I've asked for, many times. If you would care to read all the comments above (I know it's tedious, I find myself having to remind myself continually of what I have said, luckily I've managed to remain consistent so it makes it easier). I tell you what, to save you some bother sifting, I will post a few instances above where I stated what I wanted. They are not all identical wishes, but they are all consistent. They are in chronological order (as best I can determine from the sigs and audit trails):
"some outside intervention for a situation that has arisen. The user Curps"
"for somebody to epxlain to Curps that he needs to discuss reversions, especially if he is going around unmaking everything one user (me) does"
"Curps,...Are you saying you are trying to punish me somehow for not heeding your warnings and for being unbanned? Mediation please? I don't feel it's productive for me to engage in intercourse with Curps any further as he seems to have a very personal vigilante agenda"
"some mediation on this issue to calm people down before they again step over the line"
"Is there anyone monitoring this forum who is not personally involved in this ongoing vendetta who can lend a hand dealing with these people who will not cease being hostile toward me? I just want them to listen to reason and end this petty war they keep trying to start."
"Thank you, Sam Spade. I'm not sure how this works as a formal process, but what I would like to happen is for you to politely request of these named people that they stop fixating on me and instead focus on improving wikipedia."
"I see now Raul654 is intent on reversioning my request for mediation so that others can insert confrontational statements by others into my comments. *sigh* What is the point of requesting mediation if the request is turned into an argument? Can somebody please help me here? Why are Raul654 et al being allowed to victimize me like this?"
"somebody to politely ask that this personal agenda against me shared by this group be laid to rest"
"I have accepted Sam as a mediator and have stated that I do not require mediation other than to politely ask that these users end their personal war they are currently waging against me."
"If there is some process by which I can petition users to try and politely ask these vindictive users from persecuting me, I would avail myself of that instead."
"As for who the et al is, I have named them in this request for mediation. I do not object to mediation of this issue between myself and Curps et al. I have also stated that I want no formal action taken against Curps et al, and only wish to have another user politely ask them to cease this personal vendetta."
"What I do know is that I am making every good will effort here to resolve this without having them punished for their behaviour. But if punishment is my only recourse to make them behave, I will seek punishment."
"Raul654, You are in the et all, my dear, come give us a kiss and let's end this feud."
"I can simply ask that somebody please ask Curps et al to cease this vendetta, and I have asked for precisely that. That is all I seek and that is all I intend to get. Raul654, why can't we be friends? Why are you pursuing this agenda against me?"
"I have stated numerous times already, I in fact initiated the reqeust, so what is this? I'd like to get some more attention on this issue, clearly there is already a lot of bias amongst the participants."
"somebody to try and help myself and Curps et al to end this personality-based feud"
"I've already named my advocate in this matter, Sam Spade, who volunteered to help me."
"what I asked for was an impartial observer to make my pleas to these people"
"I seek an impartial observer, merely to ask them politely to stop hounding me. If that's not mediation then that is not what I asked for."
"for a disinterested party to relay my concerns to these abusive users"
This list is far from complete, but it should serve to illustrate quite clearly what I sought, and when compared to Raul654's comments interspersed on the page and in the audit trails, it should effectively demonstrate how Raul654 has tried to insert himself to subvert, then escalate this process. Raul654's accusatory tones and hostile attitude toward me is unwarranted. I requested mediation for Curps abusive and confrontational attitude on this page, after I had made a request for somebody to please act as an impartial messenger for me. Why Raul654 thinks he can now turn my request for assistance (and then mediation) into his request for mediation (step 4 according to Raul654) and quickly on to arbitration (step 5 according to Raul654) and then to a permanent hard ban (step 6 according to Raul654). Are we to allow this sort of paint-by-numbers excision from wikipedia based on personal prejudices of sysops? I don't know, maybe that's what most people want, tyranny of the sysops and arbitrary rule under the guise of due process. Raul654, I suggest if you want mediation with me, you start a subsection on this page describing why you would like mediation, and in particular point out why you chose now to ask for mediation. Thank you so much in advance for your understanding and your infinite patience, Raul654. And by the way, forget what I said in my emails to you, I love your mustache, I can almost imagine it tickling my cheeks. Give us a kiss, beautiful. :X - Plautus satire 19:27, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Now to sum up, what I want is what I asked for, which is somebody to volunteer to act as a messenger between myself and Curps. Since Curps appears intent on turning this thread into a debate about me, instead of a simple request for assistance, I chose to ask for mediation with Curps. If the "et al" insists on entering into mediation with me, perhaps they should formally request so on this page, as I have only asked for mediation with Curps. In regards to the "et al," I would reiterate my request for individual assistance in talking to them, but since this page is for formal requests, I will not (and did not) ask for mediation with "et al". Note: This thread was started to request assistance, then mediation, between Curps and Plautus satire, and was subsequently "hijacked" by Raul654 et al so it could be turned into a forum to attack me further. Can I ask how long this abuse and ruination of wikipedia by Raul654 is going to be tolerated? While I did not and do not ask for mediation between myself and Raul654, I do not object to it if they wish to file a formal request on this page. Hopefully that will keep me from having to answer twenty times in these requests (which I'm sure will materialize with utmost haste). My other concerns about Raul654 will be addressed elsewhere, as I am about to my breaking point. I have tried hostility, that didn't work and only cast myself in a foul light. I have tried cooperation, that didn't work and only allowed for more subtle abuse that defies casual observation. I have tried polite abstraction, that didn't work and only opened me up for verbal abuse. I have tried illiciting outside help in dealing with this persistent threat to me, and that appears also to be failing. I have even tried making peace on an individual basis with these individuals, and nothing seems to work. It would seem the only option I have is to escelate my insistence that something be done about it. - Plautus satire 19:27, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It's difficult to know for sure since this thread has been turned into yet another anti-Plautus page, but I believe the record now stands at the acceptance of Curps and myself of TufKat as mediator. I think now the process can begin, unless I am mistaken? - Plautus satire 19:59, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To quoth Plautus: "While I did not and do not ask for mediation between myself and Raul654, I do not object to it if they wish to file a formal request on this page." -- I hearby request mediation between myself and Plautus. Evercat and SheikYerBooty have also expressed an interest in mediating with Plautus. I am willing to speak for them as well. I am willing to accept any member of the mediation committee. →Raul654 22:44, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
I want private mediation. I will announce candidates in the near future. - Plautus satire 00:23, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Request clarification from a member of the arbitration committee: can Curps, Shiekyourbooty, and myself have our meditions done together? If so, I speak for the rest of us when I say we want them done together, and will not accept anything else. →Raul654 05:38, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)
I would like to formally request mediation between myself and silsor, for reasons both of his abuse of sysop authority and for his demonstrable double standards. I have outlined briefly the claims of his sysop abuse [ [6]].
FINAL STATEMENT ON ALL DISPUTES
Raul654, silsor, Churps, all the others out there, and you know who you are (though I don't even know who you all are yet), you have succeeded. I have tried to remain calm and cool and cooperative and for days on end I have been baited, taunted, insulted, slandered, ridiculed and punished for doing nothing more than what I learned by example from watching all of you. Apparently what is good for these geese is not good for this gander. That's fine. Carry on with your paint-by-numbers permanent ban. I'm sick of being polite to all of you thugs and getting walked on in return. I offer no defense other than the entirety of the page histories (not cherry-picked histories or my hallucinated page deletion schemes) but the entire history of my contributions. By now, through interaction with these dumb assholes, the dead weight I have added to wikipedia far outweighs anything I have contributed or will ever be able to contibute without challenge. I'd have to live three thousand years to research entries in order to justify the changes I'd have to make in order to keep from being banned long enough to actually be allowed to insert factual information into entries without perpetual conflict. - Plautus satire 07:48, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
silsor, you're a lying mother fuckerperson who is engaged in slander. And I'm not going anywhere. I said I'm not going to contribute any more because assholesunreasonable people like you make it pointless and counter productive. I haven't been backed into any corner, I made a jackass of myself by letting you get me agitated. -
Plautus satire 16:07, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Plautus, you have three choices:
Promising to confine yourself to the talk pages isn't good enough for me or any of the rest of us. Please explicetely choose one of the above. →Raul654 18:12, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)
I would like to request some outside intervention for a situation that has arisen. The user Curps seems intent on reversioning every edit I make, without explanation in the summaries or on talk pages. I've made several changes to entries recently, and all of them seem to have been reverted by Curps, so either he is watching the same pages I am, or watching my contributions, and reversioning them without explanation. I would like for somebody to epxlain to Curps that he needs to discuss reversions, especially if he is going around unmaking everything one user (me) does. - Plautus satire 01:32, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Curps reversions of Plautus satire as shown by page histories:
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Plautus_satire&curid=467565&action=history
I suppose these are the tactics they have decided to adopt. I have been banned for simple disputed editions by Raul654, and he is actively engaged in trying to eliminate me from wikipedia (though he claims on my talk page he is ignoring me, then not ignoring me, then ignoring me, not ignoring and ignoring again on the advice of others). I presume their intention now is to keep attacking every edition I make until somebody else steps in, hoping that I will become frustrated and violate public policy. - Plautus satire 02:17, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I notice looking at the talk pageWikipedia:Requests for comment/Plautus satire page it seems that there is something of a "gang" that regularly dishes the dirt on me. Hopefully it will not become necessary for me to implicate Raul654, SheikYerBooty, and Evercat, as it seems they are engaged in an active, concerted effort to limit and/or cut off my contributions to wikipedia entirely. Perhaps Curps was chosen to be the sacrificial goat in this case, doing the "dirty work," though it seems all of the people I mention above at one point have reversioned my edits without consideration or banned me on flimsy grounds. Clearly there is an open, concerted effort by these people to eliminate my contributions, hopefully we can get some mediation on this issue to calm people down before they again step over the line "dealing with" me. -
Plautus satire 02:12, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Is there anyone monitoring this forum who is not personally involved in this ongoing vendetta who can lend a hand dealing with these people who will not cease being hostile toward me? I just want them to listen to reason and end this petty war they keep trying to start. - Plautus satire 04:41, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Plautus, this is very simple - will you, or will you not accept mediation? →Raul654 04:33, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
This is not the place to discuss the facts. Everybody please do nothing more than state that you would like mediation and which members of the Wikipedia:Mediation Committee you would/would not accept as mediator. Sam, who do you want mediation with? Just Curps? If more than that, would everybody being contained in the "et al" accept Curps as a spokesman? Tuf-Kat 16:54, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
I reject any notion that this "process" should be ruled by any single individual. When Raul654 started this process which I describe as a personal vendetta, he surrendered his rights to ownership of that process. I also reject any suggestion that Raul654 take part in mediation or arbitration of this crusade that has been staged by him. Staged by him, but no longer directed by him, much to his chagrin. I have accepted Sam as a mediator and have stated that I do not require mediation other than to politely ask that these users end their personal war they are currently waging against me. I feel attacking editions or selecting which editions to attack based on the user name associated with them does not serve the purposes of wikipedia and I would like somebody to politely ask them to stop. If I did some steps out of order or if I escalated some "process" already staged by Raul654, I make no apologies, but do express regret. I did nothing malicious but I may have in my ignorance done something wrong. If there is some process by which I can petition users to try and politely ask these vindictive users from persecuting me, I would avail myself of that instead. - Plautus satire 18:47, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It rules him out in an official mediator - any user (involved in other disputes or not) is at liberty to work with others in a private mediation. That's an extension of step 2 of dispute resolution. But getting back to the official process, Plautus satire didn't make clear who he was requesting mediation with. I think that has to be a first step (any refusal to mediation with Raul may be irrelevant if he is considered part of a separate dispute not currently being looked at)
So the questions we need answered are:
-- sannse 19:40, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC) (see notes in this subsection regarding the inappropriateness of Sannse's participation in this issue) - Plautus satire 18:35, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Curps assessment is dead-on. Considering I am probably the person most familiar with Plautus' (alleged) transgressions, and that I'm the one who wrote the RFC, I would probably be the best choice to mediate with. For the record, Tuf-kat is fine by me as well. Now,Curps is also correct that I am following the dispute resolution guidelines to the letter. Now that Plautus has explictely rejected mediation, I put forth that this be moved to step five - arbitration. →Raul654 20:39, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
What I object to is Raul654 mediating between myself and Curps et al, as Raul654 is a member defined by et al, which sets up a conflict of interests. I do not wish for Raul654 to mediate between myself and Raul654, as that would defeat the purpose of obtaining impartial assistance. As for who the et al is, I have named them in this request for mediation. I do not object to mediation of this issue between myself and Curps et al. I have also stated that I want no formal action taken against Curps et al, and only wish to have another user politely ask them to cease this personal vendetta. They do not heed my requests to do so, perhaps they would heed the requests of others, I don't know. What I do know is that I am making every good will effort here to resolve this without having them punished for their behaviour. But if punishment is my only recourse to make them behave, I will seek punishment. - Plautus satire 21:14, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Allow me to clarify - I have no wish to lead mediation. I intend to be a party TO the mediation - But Plautus has already rejected that. So unless he changes his mind, this should go to the arbitration committee. →Raul654 21:19, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
I can simply ask that somebody please ask Curps et al to cease this vendetta, and I have asked for precisely that. That is all I seek and that is all I intend to get. Raul654, why can't we be friends? Why are you pursuing this agenda against me? - Plautus satire 21:37, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It is now apparent that this attempt for peaceful outside intervention has met with complete failure. Too many users presently involved seem to be willingly or inadvertantly ignoring my repeated affirmitive responses to the acceptance of or entrance into mediation of this issue. I state now again, hopefully for the last time, that I want somebody to try and help myself and Curps et al to end this personality-based feud. - Plautus satire 22:17, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've already named my advocate in this matter, Sam Spade, who volunteered to help me. - Plautus satire 22:50, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Sannse, I realize you're trying to help, but I have made it very clear I did not ask for mediation, so I am under no obligation to pick a mediator from this list you keep shoving in front of me. I asked for somebody to talk to these people on my behalf, and Sam Spade offered to mediate, but as it turns out he is only an advocate, which is exactly what I asked for in the first place. Now unless Sam Spade is withdrawing his initial offer to help, I already have chosen. Now all that remains is for Sam Spade to either help me, explain that his offer for help is withdrawn, or not help me despite his statements that he would. I can't force him to help me, unless he is on the mediator list, apparently, and I do not want to force Sam Spade to help me. If he has reconsidered his decision to help me he needs to let me know he now refuses the help he initially offered. - Plautus satire 01:50, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Plautus - either you accept mediation or it goes to the arbitration committeee - your choice. →Raul654 02:11, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
The following statements are all quoted from my own editions to this section of this page:
I could go on, there are many summaries in the page histories where I explicitly state over and over again I do not object to the idea of mediation of this issue, and though my original request was for a simple message service to Curps et al, I would accept Sam Spade as a private mediator. He has since withdrawn his services from me in an official capacity as advocate in a formal mediation process, which I had asked for, but I have still accepted him as a private mediator. No one else in this case has accepted Sam Spade as a private mediator. If Sam Spade insists on withdrawing his assistance from this case, then another mediator must be chosen. - Plautus satire 06:40, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To make this very simple, let's make the analogy to a trial. Curps and I intend to play the part of the prosecutor/plaintiff. You are the defendant. Sam offered to be your advocate - IE, your lawyer. You seem to think he is going to be the mediator - IE, the judge. This is not going to happen. The mediator must be chosen from the mediation committee and agreed upon by both parties. If you refuse to participate, it goes to arbitration. Make your choice. →Raul654 07:01, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
::::Clearly you were not acting in an official capacity, as I see no legitemate response to my request for mediation with Curps. Now I ask you again to strike (or delete, I don't care which) your irrelevant and unproductive comments that were clearly made in ignorance. (See explanation below where I clear up the confusion created by Curps et al.) -
Plautus satire 19:52, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC) (After further review I withdraw this comment as I see Sannse did at least initially try to clear up process issues, I apologize for the repeated request, Sannse, thank you for withdrawing from this discussion since you are undesirous to mediate. -
Plautus satire 19:56, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC))
Don't jump the gun, yet. Now all that remains is for SheikYerBooty, and Evercat, to agree to this mediation. - Plautus satire 18:31, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User:SheikYerBooty has informed me that he wishes to participate - I was going to mention it later. Evercat is on wiki-vacation. I am willing to act as spokesman, unless someone else really wants to do it. →Raul654 21:11, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
What I want is what I've asked for, many times. If you would care to read all the comments above (I know it's tedious, I find myself having to remind myself continually of what I have said, luckily I've managed to remain consistent so it makes it easier). I tell you what, to save you some bother sifting, I will post a few instances above where I stated what I wanted. They are not all identical wishes, but they are all consistent. They are in chronological order (as best I can determine from the sigs and audit trails):
"some outside intervention for a situation that has arisen. The user Curps"
"for somebody to epxlain to Curps that he needs to discuss reversions, especially if he is going around unmaking everything one user (me) does"
"Curps,...Are you saying you are trying to punish me somehow for not heeding your warnings and for being unbanned? Mediation please? I don't feel it's productive for me to engage in intercourse with Curps any further as he seems to have a very personal vigilante agenda"
"some mediation on this issue to calm people down before they again step over the line"
"Is there anyone monitoring this forum who is not personally involved in this ongoing vendetta who can lend a hand dealing with these people who will not cease being hostile toward me? I just want them to listen to reason and end this petty war they keep trying to start."
"Thank you, Sam Spade. I'm not sure how this works as a formal process, but what I would like to happen is for you to politely request of these named people that they stop fixating on me and instead focus on improving wikipedia."
"I see now Raul654 is intent on reversioning my request for mediation so that others can insert confrontational statements by others into my comments. *sigh* What is the point of requesting mediation if the request is turned into an argument? Can somebody please help me here? Why are Raul654 et al being allowed to victimize me like this?"
"somebody to politely ask that this personal agenda against me shared by this group be laid to rest"
"I have accepted Sam as a mediator and have stated that I do not require mediation other than to politely ask that these users end their personal war they are currently waging against me."
"If there is some process by which I can petition users to try and politely ask these vindictive users from persecuting me, I would avail myself of that instead."
"As for who the et al is, I have named them in this request for mediation. I do not object to mediation of this issue between myself and Curps et al. I have also stated that I want no formal action taken against Curps et al, and only wish to have another user politely ask them to cease this personal vendetta."
"What I do know is that I am making every good will effort here to resolve this without having them punished for their behaviour. But if punishment is my only recourse to make them behave, I will seek punishment."
"Raul654, You are in the et all, my dear, come give us a kiss and let's end this feud."
"I can simply ask that somebody please ask Curps et al to cease this vendetta, and I have asked for precisely that. That is all I seek and that is all I intend to get. Raul654, why can't we be friends? Why are you pursuing this agenda against me?"
"I have stated numerous times already, I in fact initiated the reqeust, so what is this? I'd like to get some more attention on this issue, clearly there is already a lot of bias amongst the participants."
"somebody to try and help myself and Curps et al to end this personality-based feud"
"I've already named my advocate in this matter, Sam Spade, who volunteered to help me."
"what I asked for was an impartial observer to make my pleas to these people"
"I seek an impartial observer, merely to ask them politely to stop hounding me. If that's not mediation then that is not what I asked for."
"for a disinterested party to relay my concerns to these abusive users"
This list is far from complete, but it should serve to illustrate quite clearly what I sought, and when compared to Raul654's comments interspersed on the page and in the audit trails, it should effectively demonstrate how Raul654 has tried to insert himself to subvert, then escalate this process. Raul654's accusatory tones and hostile attitude toward me is unwarranted. I requested mediation for Curps abusive and confrontational attitude on this page, after I had made a request for somebody to please act as an impartial messenger for me. Why Raul654 thinks he can now turn my request for assistance (and then mediation) into his request for mediation (step 4 according to Raul654) and quickly on to arbitration (step 5 according to Raul654) and then to a permanent hard ban (step 6 according to Raul654). Are we to allow this sort of paint-by-numbers excision from wikipedia based on personal prejudices of sysops? I don't know, maybe that's what most people want, tyranny of the sysops and arbitrary rule under the guise of due process. Raul654, I suggest if you want mediation with me, you start a subsection on this page describing why you would like mediation, and in particular point out why you chose now to ask for mediation. Thank you so much in advance for your understanding and your infinite patience, Raul654. And by the way, forget what I said in my emails to you, I love your mustache, I can almost imagine it tickling my cheeks. Give us a kiss, beautiful. :X - Plautus satire 19:27, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Now to sum up, what I want is what I asked for, which is somebody to volunteer to act as a messenger between myself and Curps. Since Curps appears intent on turning this thread into a debate about me, instead of a simple request for assistance, I chose to ask for mediation with Curps. If the "et al" insists on entering into mediation with me, perhaps they should formally request so on this page, as I have only asked for mediation with Curps. In regards to the "et al," I would reiterate my request for individual assistance in talking to them, but since this page is for formal requests, I will not (and did not) ask for mediation with "et al". Note: This thread was started to request assistance, then mediation, between Curps and Plautus satire, and was subsequently "hijacked" by Raul654 et al so it could be turned into a forum to attack me further. Can I ask how long this abuse and ruination of wikipedia by Raul654 is going to be tolerated? While I did not and do not ask for mediation between myself and Raul654, I do not object to it if they wish to file a formal request on this page. Hopefully that will keep me from having to answer twenty times in these requests (which I'm sure will materialize with utmost haste). My other concerns about Raul654 will be addressed elsewhere, as I am about to my breaking point. I have tried hostility, that didn't work and only cast myself in a foul light. I have tried cooperation, that didn't work and only allowed for more subtle abuse that defies casual observation. I have tried polite abstraction, that didn't work and only opened me up for verbal abuse. I have tried illiciting outside help in dealing with this persistent threat to me, and that appears also to be failing. I have even tried making peace on an individual basis with these individuals, and nothing seems to work. It would seem the only option I have is to escelate my insistence that something be done about it. - Plautus satire 19:27, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It's difficult to know for sure since this thread has been turned into yet another anti-Plautus page, but I believe the record now stands at the acceptance of Curps and myself of TufKat as mediator. I think now the process can begin, unless I am mistaken? - Plautus satire 19:59, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To quoth Plautus: "While I did not and do not ask for mediation between myself and Raul654, I do not object to it if they wish to file a formal request on this page." -- I hearby request mediation between myself and Plautus. Evercat and SheikYerBooty have also expressed an interest in mediating with Plautus. I am willing to speak for them as well. I am willing to accept any member of the mediation committee. →Raul654 22:44, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
I want private mediation. I will announce candidates in the near future. - Plautus satire 00:23, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Request clarification from a member of the arbitration committee: can Curps, Shiekyourbooty, and myself have our meditions done together? If so, I speak for the rest of us when I say we want them done together, and will not accept anything else. →Raul654 05:38, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)
I would like to formally request mediation between myself and silsor, for reasons both of his abuse of sysop authority and for his demonstrable double standards. I have outlined briefly the claims of his sysop abuse [ [6]].
FINAL STATEMENT ON ALL DISPUTES
Raul654, silsor, Churps, all the others out there, and you know who you are (though I don't even know who you all are yet), you have succeeded. I have tried to remain calm and cool and cooperative and for days on end I have been baited, taunted, insulted, slandered, ridiculed and punished for doing nothing more than what I learned by example from watching all of you. Apparently what is good for these geese is not good for this gander. That's fine. Carry on with your paint-by-numbers permanent ban. I'm sick of being polite to all of you thugs and getting walked on in return. I offer no defense other than the entirety of the page histories (not cherry-picked histories or my hallucinated page deletion schemes) but the entire history of my contributions. By now, through interaction with these dumb assholes, the dead weight I have added to wikipedia far outweighs anything I have contributed or will ever be able to contibute without challenge. I'd have to live three thousand years to research entries in order to justify the changes I'd have to make in order to keep from being banned long enough to actually be allowed to insert factual information into entries without perpetual conflict. - Plautus satire 07:48, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
silsor, you're a lying mother fuckerperson who is engaged in slander. And I'm not going anywhere. I said I'm not going to contribute any more because assholesunreasonable people like you make it pointless and counter productive. I haven't been backed into any corner, I made a jackass of myself by letting you get me agitated. -
Plautus satire 16:07, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Plautus, you have three choices:
Promising to confine yourself to the talk pages isn't good enough for me or any of the rest of us. Please explicetely choose one of the above. →Raul654 18:12, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)