This is primarily a dispute between me and CheeseDreams, although others have been involved. In the first article, there is a CheeseDreams kept reverting my work on the article until the page was protected. She also took a huge amount of discussion on the talk page and rewrote it in her own words. As the talk page was getting too long, I archived it, and she keeps putting taking this archived material and putting it back into the talk page. In the second article, CheeseDream simply copied the first (protected) article and gave it a new title. Someone put in a redirect to the original page. CheeseDream reverted that and eight other attempts to redirect it. When I redirected and protected the redirect, CheeseDream accused me of abusing my sysop powers (I have since unprotected it and put in a request for protection). In an earlier version of this dispute, Amgine and FT2 were also involved. At their request, Llywrch was named mediator. Amgine and CheeseDream have since rejected him as mediator. I would like the mediation committee either to choose a new mediator, or to refer this for arbitration. I am sick of this. Slrubenstein 21:16, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I will put in a request for arbitration, Slrubenstein 17:16, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I, Chuck F i'm requesting meditation with Radical, because he seems to have some type of hatred of me, and because of it is constatnly violating the assume good faith policy. And also because his lack of assuming good faith has started to compleatly feel that I should be reverted on sight and asks other users why they are even trying to bother with me (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:Improv/lib_draft_dec2004&diff=8123613&oldid=8123530 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:Improv/lib_draft_dec2004&diff=8127478&oldid=8123613, along with the edit history for mcjob Chuck F 09:30, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The other users who reverted me recently(besides that anon aol ip, who seems to be more robot then human, and would be impossible to request meditation with) have all I feel at least tried to treat me fairly and like any other user and I feel like I can work with them. You seem to have a personal venedetta against me though and keep refering to me as someone only out for bad, which Is why I only made the request on you Chuck F 12:12, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Obviously this is one controversial, hot-button topic, and this is not a request for a user vs. user sort of mediation process but for the idea of someone to honestly and neutrally step in, do away with possible prejudices and look at arguments from both sides to determine a page of true even-handedness. Once determined, this is a page that needs to be locked, as there can be fanatics from both sides.
I'm new at Wikipedia, and I've been clicking around in an effort to learn how the fairness of this page may be resolved. I hope posting here is the right way to go about it. The story is: I hopped aboard on the Discussion section of this genocide page and took issue with many of the points raised within the clearly pro-Armenian article. I traded opinions with one whom I later discovered was the operator of an "Armenian Genocide" web site, and after the dust cleared I felt justified in making changes for points that appeared fairly solid. 10 Nov 2004
The one thing I liked about this page was that at least an effort was made for some fair play. For example, helpful links at bottom were labeled in impartial fashion, e.g., "one point of view," and "another point of view." Since this is such an emotional arena for many Armenians and their sympathizers (who have mainly been exposed to their fairly omnipresent view), I kept fairness in mind and did not perform major edits; I let everything stand, and simply added explanations for the other side of the story.
I had reason after learning of the shocking overhaul (on Nov. 26, 2004) that prompted this request (described below) to check the page's history, and noticed people on both sides went somewhat out of control. For example, a pro-Turk felt free to add a long list of American academicians who signed a statement in 1985; that opened the door to a pro-Armenian's putting up a 1998 statement signed by writers and scholars. There's too much material on both sides to arbitrarily put up dizzying documentation in such a manner, and the purpose of this page should be to present genuine historical facts in an even-handed manner. (Since a genocide devotee evidently wrote and titled this page to begin with, already the rules of fairness had been compromised, as the word "genocide" itself is in dispute.)
Today I noticed some fanatical partisan 68.40.117.214 has stepped in and has done away with this carefully cultivated article almost entirely; furthermore, even the links section has been altered to be completely one-sided. It's difficult to imagine anyone would have the audacity to intrude and totally wipe out a page's history in such a matter. When such zealots enter the fray, there is no point in civilized discussion; a genuinely neutral party needs to step in, restore the former page so that both sides of these events are in place, and lock things up to prevent such unethically dogmatic actions in the future. So where to go from here? : Torque, Nov. 30, 2004
I raise this in the interests of various community members who have expressed reservations about User:Neutrality's username.
Previous steps:
Recently, Neutrality has changed his signature, reverting to something very similar to before the RfA vote. In response to a question about this, Neutrality replied:
Also recently, Neutrality has become a candidate in the current Arbitration Committee Election. As he has now come into higher levels of authority, as a current admin and potential ArbCom member, his username is now becoming a disruption. It is my hope that, with the help of a mediator, Neutrality will respect the community and submit for a username change. -- Netoholic @ 04:21, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)
I appreciate the concern, but have a few questions for you:
I don't think mediation can help here. Name changes are dealt with via Requests for Comment. If you feel that the situation has changed sufficiently, then I see no reason why you can't open an RfC again. But given the result last time, and the confirmation of this consensus with the admin request, I doubt there will be any change in the community view now. If there is a general perception that Neutrality's user name is a problem for an arbitrator, then he won't be voted in. Again, the community will decide. -- sannse (talk) 19:01, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Mediation is requested in regards to the article Red Ensign (see Talk:Red Ensign). The specific issue is whether the article should make mention of the fact that in recent years Canadian neo-nazi and fascist groups have increasingly used the Canadian Red Ensign (which ceased to be Canada's national flag in the 1960s) and are now the only organized groups in Canadian society advocating the readoption of the Canadian Red Ensign as Canada's national flag. ArmchairVexillologistDon has repeatedly deleted references to fascist groups from the article and has pledged to continue to revert the article "ad infinitum and ad nauseum". AndyL 08:37, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hello AndyL,
I thank you very much for placing the mediation request. I will abide by the decision of the arbitar.
ArmChairVexilllologistDon
ArmchairVexillologistDon 17:39, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The actual matter I was seeking mediation over has since been resolved while the question of ArmchairVexillologistDon's personal behaviour during the dispute (and after) is now the subject of an ArbCom case. Therefore, I wish to withdraw the mediation request. AndyL 05:14, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I would like to request mediation between myself and Everyking. A conflict between us was sparked as a result of edits I made to Autobiography (album). My first edit was to the Sales and Chart data in an attempt to shorten it a bit. I stated my intentions on Talk:La La before ever touching the page, and Everyking responded by telling me that I would be wasting my time (implying, I assume, that no matter what my edit would be he would revert it). This quickly degenerated into a lengthy argument that eventually shifted to Talk:Autobiography (album). During the process of this arguing I have been trying my hardest to come up with a compromise we can both accept but have been met with hardline opposition on his part. At one point I made a large edit to the album article, documenting each of my changes and posting them on the Talk page for discussion and dissection. Response to this from other users was positive and they agreed it was a useful change to the article, but it was reverted repeatedly by Everyking. Every edit I have attempted to make since then has been reverted, despite the fact that I have altered them in an attempt to compromise with his demands. His only "compromises" have been to demand that I not touch the article save for one very minor thing (such as removing one quote, in his own words) and he has refused to even acknowledge any other compromises that have been offered. In the process of his reverts Everyking has broken the 3rr three times. He has repeatedly made abusive statements about me and my edits in his edit summaries, has been extremely snide and rude on talk pages, and has called me various nasty names (such as "troll" and "vandal") on no less than four other users' talk pages, even asking one person to ban me for supposedly "vandalizing" the album article. I admit I have been uncivil myself at times, but nowhere near the degree he has (the worst on my part IMO was "Pick an edit and start talking or shut up and stop bitching", something I promptly apologised for). I am at a complete loss for what to do here. I've attempted to come to a middle ground to no avail. I'd appreciate any help here so we can finally resolve this dispute. Reene (リニ) 07:59, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
I've left a message for Ed to see if he can help -- sannse (talk) 19:01, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, and I don't even know what the next step here is, but I wish this could hurry up a bit. Reene has no reason to hope so, because Autobiography (album) is protected on her version, but I do. I'm tired of having my work put perpetually on hold, and seeing the article stuck on a version that I regard as utterly unacceptable and incomplete. Everyking 15:29, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
If there is still an active mediator on this case (or even if there isn't), please note that as of December 12 I will be on vacation until January 9th or so. I may be online once or twice during this time but it's unlikely my schedule will be flexible enough to arrange any sort of remotely lengthy discussion. Reene ✎ 10:18, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
NPOV dispute. User dab also commit edit war instead of trying to reach NPOV on discussion page. I will not go into edit war, or follow his commands of shut up, stop etc, but want this and similair pages to reflect a modern view on the topic, including a clear explanation why all scandinavian people are defintely not descendants to vikings. The article could reflect different views, giving much more information and knowledge to a reader, but this is being restricted presently. I am not sure how to continue work on the subject, since I do not want to commit edit war myself. I am willing to make my contribution to those pages, backed up by historical sources, if I may do so without being accused of being a troll, told to shut up etc. Dan Koehl 14:07, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This sounds like one that needs more comment from the community first. Please try Requests for comment first and see what other contributors think of the dispute. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 19:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
OK, thank you. (Have not called Wiglaf anything, only made comments about article) Here is a loggbook. Dan Koehl 20:30, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I request assistance with regard to the threatening and near obsessional approach from this person towards me. It is quite clear that there is a level of hostility that is neither good for Wikipedia nor healthy for the person herself. I am concerned that this situation is about to spiral out of control to the detriment of all. - Robert the Bruce 22:04, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What caused Robert to suggest mediation at this point is what happened recently on
clitoris.
User:DanP edited the article and included a paragraph on piercing the clitoris. Robert reverted the addition with the following edit summary “Sorry Dan but I don't think that adds to the quality of the article ... a bit more research needed maybe?”
[1] he was challenged on this revert by
User:Dr Zen “I think the material Robert the Bruce cut was a good-faith addition to the article and was perfectly valid. Does Mr the Bruce think that people do not pierce any part of the clitoris? Does he think no one stretches it? If he does not, then he cannot be opposing the text on the grounds that it is not factual.” I commented that the removal of factual information from an article with explanation on the talk page amounted to vandalism in my book – at this point Robert replied that he wanted mediation – (yet failed to answer Dr Zen’s question as to why he cut the material) To be honest – I don’t think he expected me to agree. I think he was just trying to dodge answering the question. At the moment there is a rfc on Robert (to be found
here and a previous rfc on him using his earlier username can be found
[2]. Note that on the later rfc I have not endorsed the rfc as I want to see if mediation solves the problem.
Another page which should shed light on this issue is Wikipedia:Use of pics of genitals in articles which has been copied from the village pump]] Here Robert tries to blame me for the results of a poll started by User:Keystroke. He is certainly behaving strangely for someone who believes I am harassing him. Also If I am so obsessed with him why did he write about Robert Blair on my talk page. If you check the edit history of Robert Blair you will see that I have never edited any of those pages, yet Robert the Bruce has. So by posting the above comment on my talk page he is, in effect, inviting me to follow him to a page that I have never edited. Again this is strange behaviour from someone who is in fear of my “aggression”.
I view Robert Brooks as an unpleasant, nasty, mean and self righteous troublemaker. He accuses just about everyone who ever disagrees with him as being biased, aggressive, or corrupt. I hope that mediation will convince me that he is, in fact editing in good faith, and will convince him that I am as well. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 15:07, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
¡Vigilance on Encyclopædia WikiPedia.Org! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:22:55 +0000 ¡Hello! ¿How Fare You? Well my fellow Intactivists: The circumcisiophiliacs won this round on EncyclopÃ|dia WikiPedia.Org. The main problem is that they are more commited than we (they make it impossible for us to correct any of their lies and bias on prÃ|puce and circumcision). Now, they go after our articles (maybe I should not have tried to expose them by writing about Circumfetishism). Hugh Young wrote complaining about me creating articles about Intactivism and Genital Integrity without consulting anyone. He was right to complain; I did create such articles without consulting. Let me just point out to things though: 1I invited other Intactivists to join me last year to join EncyclopÃ|dia WikiPedia.Org last year (within a month of that, I gave up on editing PrÃ|puce and Circumcision because I was so badly outnumbered, that I could not do any good). 2I am the only full-time Intactivist with Michael Glass and Dan Blackham dropping in every now and then. Now that you are all temporarily here, I ask you to stay. If you would just check on our articles weekly and also prÃ|puce, circumcision, and articles linking to them, it would truly help much. While you are at it, you can edit and start other articles. ¡Editing and starting articles is fun! Look at this cool article, which I started about Laurentia. ¡E Pluribus Unum! ¡Thanks! Ŭalabio ¡Dubya Shrub is a Saudi-Lover -- Saudi-Mite! ¡The Bin-Bushes bend over _"*FOR*"_ the Bin-Ladens!
The thing is Robert - it's not just me who has a problem with you. You have accused a number of people of being unfair and biased. In fact anyone who has ever taken you to task over your behaviour is biased according to you.Oh and you still haven't answered my questions above - if I am obsessed with you, and you feel uncorfotable about it - why did you come to my talk page and ask me about a new editor Robert Blair. This newbie has never editied a page that I have edited, but he has edited pages that you have edited. Had I taken you up, I would have come to more of the pages on your watchlist, and I would have interacted more with you. So why ask me?
Theresa Knott
(The snott rake) 10:03, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I hereby resign from the mediation committee. What I am seeing recently is a mob mentality spurred on by overzealous RC policemen, which will make it impossible to conduct successful mediations. If that is the case, there is no reason for me to even try. Danny 01:14, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
One would think this chap had been reading my mail? What on earth do you think he is on about? - Robert the Bruce 15:31, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think that's the lot. As far as I know, none of them are qualified psychaitrists etc. They are a bunch of volanteers who try to bring piece and harmony here on wikipedia. Which of them are acceptable to you? Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 09:47, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'm very sorry, but I have two active mediations at the moment and don't feel I can take another at this point. Theresa, thanks for the message, and thanks for trying to move this on. Robert, perhaps you could name another mediator who might be available - or alternatively, I am mailing the other meditors later today and I could ask then who is currently available. Regards -- sannse (talk) 19:45, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I am requesting mediation, because a new user, SlimVirgin, has launched a campaign to insert propaganda into articles pertaining to Lyndon LaRouche, and has subsequently escalated to edit wars and personal attacks. This is particularly distressing because my previous conflicts with anti-LaRouche editors had been brought to a close one month before his arrival. -- H.K. 16:35, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
He made a racist and deragatory insult against me; I hope the mediation committee will address this. If not, it will have to go to arbitration. [3] Lirath Q. Pynnor
This is primarily a dispute between me and CheeseDreams, although others have been involved. In the first article, there is a CheeseDreams kept reverting my work on the article until the page was protected. She also took a huge amount of discussion on the talk page and rewrote it in her own words. As the talk page was getting too long, I archived it, and she keeps putting taking this archived material and putting it back into the talk page. In the second article, CheeseDream simply copied the first (protected) article and gave it a new title. Someone put in a redirect to the original page. CheeseDream reverted that and eight other attempts to redirect it. When I redirected and protected the redirect, CheeseDream accused me of abusing my sysop powers (I have since unprotected it and put in a request for protection). In an earlier version of this dispute, Amgine and FT2 were also involved. At their request, Llywrch was named mediator. Amgine and CheeseDream have since rejected him as mediator. I would like the mediation committee either to choose a new mediator, or to refer this for arbitration. I am sick of this. Slrubenstein 21:16, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I will put in a request for arbitration, Slrubenstein 17:16, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I, Chuck F i'm requesting meditation with Radical, because he seems to have some type of hatred of me, and because of it is constatnly violating the assume good faith policy. And also because his lack of assuming good faith has started to compleatly feel that I should be reverted on sight and asks other users why they are even trying to bother with me (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:Improv/lib_draft_dec2004&diff=8123613&oldid=8123530 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:Improv/lib_draft_dec2004&diff=8127478&oldid=8123613, along with the edit history for mcjob Chuck F 09:30, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The other users who reverted me recently(besides that anon aol ip, who seems to be more robot then human, and would be impossible to request meditation with) have all I feel at least tried to treat me fairly and like any other user and I feel like I can work with them. You seem to have a personal venedetta against me though and keep refering to me as someone only out for bad, which Is why I only made the request on you Chuck F 12:12, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Obviously this is one controversial, hot-button topic, and this is not a request for a user vs. user sort of mediation process but for the idea of someone to honestly and neutrally step in, do away with possible prejudices and look at arguments from both sides to determine a page of true even-handedness. Once determined, this is a page that needs to be locked, as there can be fanatics from both sides.
I'm new at Wikipedia, and I've been clicking around in an effort to learn how the fairness of this page may be resolved. I hope posting here is the right way to go about it. The story is: I hopped aboard on the Discussion section of this genocide page and took issue with many of the points raised within the clearly pro-Armenian article. I traded opinions with one whom I later discovered was the operator of an "Armenian Genocide" web site, and after the dust cleared I felt justified in making changes for points that appeared fairly solid. 10 Nov 2004
The one thing I liked about this page was that at least an effort was made for some fair play. For example, helpful links at bottom were labeled in impartial fashion, e.g., "one point of view," and "another point of view." Since this is such an emotional arena for many Armenians and their sympathizers (who have mainly been exposed to their fairly omnipresent view), I kept fairness in mind and did not perform major edits; I let everything stand, and simply added explanations for the other side of the story.
I had reason after learning of the shocking overhaul (on Nov. 26, 2004) that prompted this request (described below) to check the page's history, and noticed people on both sides went somewhat out of control. For example, a pro-Turk felt free to add a long list of American academicians who signed a statement in 1985; that opened the door to a pro-Armenian's putting up a 1998 statement signed by writers and scholars. There's too much material on both sides to arbitrarily put up dizzying documentation in such a manner, and the purpose of this page should be to present genuine historical facts in an even-handed manner. (Since a genocide devotee evidently wrote and titled this page to begin with, already the rules of fairness had been compromised, as the word "genocide" itself is in dispute.)
Today I noticed some fanatical partisan 68.40.117.214 has stepped in and has done away with this carefully cultivated article almost entirely; furthermore, even the links section has been altered to be completely one-sided. It's difficult to imagine anyone would have the audacity to intrude and totally wipe out a page's history in such a matter. When such zealots enter the fray, there is no point in civilized discussion; a genuinely neutral party needs to step in, restore the former page so that both sides of these events are in place, and lock things up to prevent such unethically dogmatic actions in the future. So where to go from here? : Torque, Nov. 30, 2004
I raise this in the interests of various community members who have expressed reservations about User:Neutrality's username.
Previous steps:
Recently, Neutrality has changed his signature, reverting to something very similar to before the RfA vote. In response to a question about this, Neutrality replied:
Also recently, Neutrality has become a candidate in the current Arbitration Committee Election. As he has now come into higher levels of authority, as a current admin and potential ArbCom member, his username is now becoming a disruption. It is my hope that, with the help of a mediator, Neutrality will respect the community and submit for a username change. -- Netoholic @ 04:21, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)
I appreciate the concern, but have a few questions for you:
I don't think mediation can help here. Name changes are dealt with via Requests for Comment. If you feel that the situation has changed sufficiently, then I see no reason why you can't open an RfC again. But given the result last time, and the confirmation of this consensus with the admin request, I doubt there will be any change in the community view now. If there is a general perception that Neutrality's user name is a problem for an arbitrator, then he won't be voted in. Again, the community will decide. -- sannse (talk) 19:01, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Mediation is requested in regards to the article Red Ensign (see Talk:Red Ensign). The specific issue is whether the article should make mention of the fact that in recent years Canadian neo-nazi and fascist groups have increasingly used the Canadian Red Ensign (which ceased to be Canada's national flag in the 1960s) and are now the only organized groups in Canadian society advocating the readoption of the Canadian Red Ensign as Canada's national flag. ArmchairVexillologistDon has repeatedly deleted references to fascist groups from the article and has pledged to continue to revert the article "ad infinitum and ad nauseum". AndyL 08:37, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hello AndyL,
I thank you very much for placing the mediation request. I will abide by the decision of the arbitar.
ArmChairVexilllologistDon
ArmchairVexillologistDon 17:39, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The actual matter I was seeking mediation over has since been resolved while the question of ArmchairVexillologistDon's personal behaviour during the dispute (and after) is now the subject of an ArbCom case. Therefore, I wish to withdraw the mediation request. AndyL 05:14, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I would like to request mediation between myself and Everyking. A conflict between us was sparked as a result of edits I made to Autobiography (album). My first edit was to the Sales and Chart data in an attempt to shorten it a bit. I stated my intentions on Talk:La La before ever touching the page, and Everyking responded by telling me that I would be wasting my time (implying, I assume, that no matter what my edit would be he would revert it). This quickly degenerated into a lengthy argument that eventually shifted to Talk:Autobiography (album). During the process of this arguing I have been trying my hardest to come up with a compromise we can both accept but have been met with hardline opposition on his part. At one point I made a large edit to the album article, documenting each of my changes and posting them on the Talk page for discussion and dissection. Response to this from other users was positive and they agreed it was a useful change to the article, but it was reverted repeatedly by Everyking. Every edit I have attempted to make since then has been reverted, despite the fact that I have altered them in an attempt to compromise with his demands. His only "compromises" have been to demand that I not touch the article save for one very minor thing (such as removing one quote, in his own words) and he has refused to even acknowledge any other compromises that have been offered. In the process of his reverts Everyking has broken the 3rr three times. He has repeatedly made abusive statements about me and my edits in his edit summaries, has been extremely snide and rude on talk pages, and has called me various nasty names (such as "troll" and "vandal") on no less than four other users' talk pages, even asking one person to ban me for supposedly "vandalizing" the album article. I admit I have been uncivil myself at times, but nowhere near the degree he has (the worst on my part IMO was "Pick an edit and start talking or shut up and stop bitching", something I promptly apologised for). I am at a complete loss for what to do here. I've attempted to come to a middle ground to no avail. I'd appreciate any help here so we can finally resolve this dispute. Reene (リニ) 07:59, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
I've left a message for Ed to see if he can help -- sannse (talk) 19:01, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, and I don't even know what the next step here is, but I wish this could hurry up a bit. Reene has no reason to hope so, because Autobiography (album) is protected on her version, but I do. I'm tired of having my work put perpetually on hold, and seeing the article stuck on a version that I regard as utterly unacceptable and incomplete. Everyking 15:29, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
If there is still an active mediator on this case (or even if there isn't), please note that as of December 12 I will be on vacation until January 9th or so. I may be online once or twice during this time but it's unlikely my schedule will be flexible enough to arrange any sort of remotely lengthy discussion. Reene ✎ 10:18, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
NPOV dispute. User dab also commit edit war instead of trying to reach NPOV on discussion page. I will not go into edit war, or follow his commands of shut up, stop etc, but want this and similair pages to reflect a modern view on the topic, including a clear explanation why all scandinavian people are defintely not descendants to vikings. The article could reflect different views, giving much more information and knowledge to a reader, but this is being restricted presently. I am not sure how to continue work on the subject, since I do not want to commit edit war myself. I am willing to make my contribution to those pages, backed up by historical sources, if I may do so without being accused of being a troll, told to shut up etc. Dan Koehl 14:07, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This sounds like one that needs more comment from the community first. Please try Requests for comment first and see what other contributors think of the dispute. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 19:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
OK, thank you. (Have not called Wiglaf anything, only made comments about article) Here is a loggbook. Dan Koehl 20:30, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I request assistance with regard to the threatening and near obsessional approach from this person towards me. It is quite clear that there is a level of hostility that is neither good for Wikipedia nor healthy for the person herself. I am concerned that this situation is about to spiral out of control to the detriment of all. - Robert the Bruce 22:04, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What caused Robert to suggest mediation at this point is what happened recently on
clitoris.
User:DanP edited the article and included a paragraph on piercing the clitoris. Robert reverted the addition with the following edit summary “Sorry Dan but I don't think that adds to the quality of the article ... a bit more research needed maybe?”
[1] he was challenged on this revert by
User:Dr Zen “I think the material Robert the Bruce cut was a good-faith addition to the article and was perfectly valid. Does Mr the Bruce think that people do not pierce any part of the clitoris? Does he think no one stretches it? If he does not, then he cannot be opposing the text on the grounds that it is not factual.” I commented that the removal of factual information from an article with explanation on the talk page amounted to vandalism in my book – at this point Robert replied that he wanted mediation – (yet failed to answer Dr Zen’s question as to why he cut the material) To be honest – I don’t think he expected me to agree. I think he was just trying to dodge answering the question. At the moment there is a rfc on Robert (to be found
here and a previous rfc on him using his earlier username can be found
[2]. Note that on the later rfc I have not endorsed the rfc as I want to see if mediation solves the problem.
Another page which should shed light on this issue is Wikipedia:Use of pics of genitals in articles which has been copied from the village pump]] Here Robert tries to blame me for the results of a poll started by User:Keystroke. He is certainly behaving strangely for someone who believes I am harassing him. Also If I am so obsessed with him why did he write about Robert Blair on my talk page. If you check the edit history of Robert Blair you will see that I have never edited any of those pages, yet Robert the Bruce has. So by posting the above comment on my talk page he is, in effect, inviting me to follow him to a page that I have never edited. Again this is strange behaviour from someone who is in fear of my “aggression”.
I view Robert Brooks as an unpleasant, nasty, mean and self righteous troublemaker. He accuses just about everyone who ever disagrees with him as being biased, aggressive, or corrupt. I hope that mediation will convince me that he is, in fact editing in good faith, and will convince him that I am as well. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 15:07, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
¡Vigilance on Encyclopædia WikiPedia.Org! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:22:55 +0000 ¡Hello! ¿How Fare You? Well my fellow Intactivists: The circumcisiophiliacs won this round on EncyclopÃ|dia WikiPedia.Org. The main problem is that they are more commited than we (they make it impossible for us to correct any of their lies and bias on prÃ|puce and circumcision). Now, they go after our articles (maybe I should not have tried to expose them by writing about Circumfetishism). Hugh Young wrote complaining about me creating articles about Intactivism and Genital Integrity without consulting anyone. He was right to complain; I did create such articles without consulting. Let me just point out to things though: 1I invited other Intactivists to join me last year to join EncyclopÃ|dia WikiPedia.Org last year (within a month of that, I gave up on editing PrÃ|puce and Circumcision because I was so badly outnumbered, that I could not do any good). 2I am the only full-time Intactivist with Michael Glass and Dan Blackham dropping in every now and then. Now that you are all temporarily here, I ask you to stay. If you would just check on our articles weekly and also prÃ|puce, circumcision, and articles linking to them, it would truly help much. While you are at it, you can edit and start other articles. ¡Editing and starting articles is fun! Look at this cool article, which I started about Laurentia. ¡E Pluribus Unum! ¡Thanks! Ŭalabio ¡Dubya Shrub is a Saudi-Lover -- Saudi-Mite! ¡The Bin-Bushes bend over _"*FOR*"_ the Bin-Ladens!
The thing is Robert - it's not just me who has a problem with you. You have accused a number of people of being unfair and biased. In fact anyone who has ever taken you to task over your behaviour is biased according to you.Oh and you still haven't answered my questions above - if I am obsessed with you, and you feel uncorfotable about it - why did you come to my talk page and ask me about a new editor Robert Blair. This newbie has never editied a page that I have edited, but he has edited pages that you have edited. Had I taken you up, I would have come to more of the pages on your watchlist, and I would have interacted more with you. So why ask me?
Theresa Knott
(The snott rake) 10:03, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I hereby resign from the mediation committee. What I am seeing recently is a mob mentality spurred on by overzealous RC policemen, which will make it impossible to conduct successful mediations. If that is the case, there is no reason for me to even try. Danny 01:14, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
One would think this chap had been reading my mail? What on earth do you think he is on about? - Robert the Bruce 15:31, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think that's the lot. As far as I know, none of them are qualified psychaitrists etc. They are a bunch of volanteers who try to bring piece and harmony here on wikipedia. Which of them are acceptable to you? Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 09:47, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'm very sorry, but I have two active mediations at the moment and don't feel I can take another at this point. Theresa, thanks for the message, and thanks for trying to move this on. Robert, perhaps you could name another mediator who might be available - or alternatively, I am mailing the other meditors later today and I could ask then who is currently available. Regards -- sannse (talk) 19:45, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I am requesting mediation, because a new user, SlimVirgin, has launched a campaign to insert propaganda into articles pertaining to Lyndon LaRouche, and has subsequently escalated to edit wars and personal attacks. This is particularly distressing because my previous conflicts with anti-LaRouche editors had been brought to a close one month before his arrival. -- H.K. 16:35, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
He made a racist and deragatory insult against me; I hope the mediation committee will address this. If not, it will have to go to arbitration. [3] Lirath Q. Pynnor