Hello, I'd like to request mediation with respect to articles regarding the western half of New Guinea. Specifically Papua (Indonesian province), but other pages as well. Daeron and I (and Wik) have been revert warring and arguing about this stuff on talk pages for some time. At this point, I think both of us are so fed up with each other that the intervention of some third party is necessary for any progress to be made. As it is now, we seem to be simply going in circles with one another. I have no particular preference as to mediator. john 04:56, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
Where did he do this? john 22:14, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
There has been a long-running feud between the both us, the details I will not recount here because I don't see how Mediation would resolve matters. However, there appears to be a development that Mediation might help with. Zestauferov wrote the following at Talk:David Rohl:
While I would like to accept this offer of a cease-fire (I have no problem with ignoring anything he writes), I feel there are couple of points that Zestauferov did not consider that would make any such cease-fire ineffective:
uestioned the motives of what I had wrote in the article David Rohl, making accusations I felt I must need answer. Because of this, I feel accepting this offer of a cease-fire implies that I must never respond to any criticism he makes of what I write, which is an unfair restriction on me -- as it would be on him. We need to find a point where both of us can hold the other blameless.
Undoubtedly there are other practical points that need working out, but the fact there is some kind of common ground here leads me to suspect that Mediation may work in this case. -- llywrch 23:13, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hello, My name is K.M. I am attacked by many people who has traditional religion. In Japanese Wikipedia, I'm stigmatized by Japanese administrators because I doubted to violate Japanese Copyrights Law, and I am blocked for a month. Added to this, they delated all of my contributions with no discussion. Now, I can't comment on these, and anti-Jehovah's Witnesses write slander of Jehovah's Witnesses. I think these are one-sided and I want to appeal Japanese Wikipedia to Japanese Court about them. And I think that all of the articles about Christianity in Japanese are POV. Please advise. K.M. 13:16, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
I am requesting mediation with this user do to accusations made by him against me. He has made baseless accusations that I engaged in inapproriate behavior regarding an admin vote. I request Bcorr as mediator. GrazingshipIV 01:44, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you both for being willing to work with me to mediate your conflict. I propose that I create a topic (thread) on the mediation message board, and if there is no objection, I will get things going this evening. You can set up an account on the message board here if you don't already have one. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 13:54, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
I have created the topic (thread) on the mediation bulletin board here. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 23:47, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
The arbitration committee has decided to refer the issues of Anthony's reverts and alleged trolling are referred to the mediation committee. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro for details. Martin 00:36, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Has anybody asked Kingturtle about being the other party? He was the one collecting most of the evidence. I don't know how much of the community considers this to be a current problem (well, I'm sure Wik still thinks Anthony is a troll). But I would say that many of us have learned to work with Anthony, as well as him learning to work with us. Anyway, to the extent that I might be a party (since I had a couple disagreements with Anthony), I consider those issues satisfactorily resolved and see no need for mediation. -- Michael Snow 18:52, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Statement from the Mediation Committee
Concerning the mediation requested by the Arbitration Committee regarding User:Anthony DiPierro and a number of other users:
Although the members of the Mediation Committee have been willing to conduct a mediation and have solicited possible participants, to date no one has stepped forward to be a second party. As it has been the committee's experience that attempting to conduct a mediation discussion with only one party has not been successful, it seems best to wait until there are additional parties willing to participate. Anthony has demonstrated his willingness to mediate; but his adversaries have not. Until they do, we must consider Anthony a Wikipedian in good standing, and any comments to the contrary a demonstration of incivility.
The Mediation Committee is more than willing to mediate this case if and when anyone comes forward with specific concerns.
BCorr &
sannse, Co-chairs
On behalf of the Mediation Committee
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In the hopes of avoiding a return to full-out edit war, I am seeking mediation over Democratic Underground. I stumbled upon the article a few weeks ago and noticed that there were a number of anonymous users repeatedly vandalizing the article and insert POV comments of various sorts. I requested protection for the page, and then attempted to propose compromise text. Upon the page being unprotected, I did my best to NPOV it, changes which Neutrality (who I strongly believe to be one of the previous participants in the conflict) and an anonymous user apparently find unacceptable; however, neither makes serious use of edit summaries or the talk page, limiting opportunities for dialogue. I have requested comment from the community, but there has been no interest. For the record, I don't have any experience with the site or the arguments under dispute, but I'm aware that it's a popular one and think we should have an NPOV article on it. RadicalSubversiv E 04:34, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
I accept. Neutrality 00:38, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
I find myself locked in an argument with two people about the sexual orientation of transwomen. I have edited the article in question to what I feel is a NPOV, describing the two commonly held beliefs. AlexR insists that one belief is unfounded and refuses to accept any resolution that does not agree with his POV. References which support the "unfounded" position are provided in the article. I have repeatedly requested that he provide any evidence that his position has any merit at all; he has not. Help would be appreciated. -- User:Eequor
Hi. Sannse mentionned to me your disagreement. I will unfortunately not be available at all for the next two days, and little till saturday. You might feel the issue is pressing, or you may consider that a couple of days might help cool down spirits... that is really up to you :-) I think I have no set opinion on the topic and am not unconfortable talking about sex issues. However, I am sure Cimon will be able to help you anyway. I might hang around the topic next week if you still didnot find a solution :-) My best. SweetLittleFluffyThing
Rick has called me a troll on multiple occasions, and when requested to stop, deleted my comment [1]. I request relief. Sam [ Spade] 05:29, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hi, could we get mediation for the NPOV and factual accuracy tags? The issue is that I don't believe their is much non-NPOV material on the page and there is no factual inaccuracy that I can see. User Tannin will not allow any of us to remove the tags from the top of the article. His issue is that he believes that the User Interface section is apologising for Microsoft and that only criticisms should be shown in the criticisms section. He won't let anyone place the opposing view and this gives the article a very anti-Microsoft slant. I have modified this slightly to try to rectify this, but this is apparently not good enough. He also has stated that there is factual inaccuracy in the page because: "(a) felt compelled to provide, albeit buried well down in the menu structure, a method to turn a good deal of the performace-sapping eye candy off, (b) recommend an accellerated graphics card (something that, until XP came along, has not been considered remotely relevant to a OS desktop), (c) make substantially higher hardware recomendations, particularly for RAM, and (d) programm the installer to insure that XP will not even load on lower-power systems." Quoting from last revision in talk 02:21, 6 Jul 2004 in Talk:Windows_XP#NPOV_and_Factual_Inaccuracy.
Also (and I'm not sure if I should put this in here) I object to the way that he has characterised me as a troll - he said I am engaged in "trolling bullshit" - and that I'm am performing a "syncophantic whitewash". See Talk:Windows_XP#NPOV_and_Factual_Inaccuracy I dislike his personal attacks over an issue as silly as a dispute about an operating system! - Ta bu shi da yu 02:54, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Ronald Reagan page. I'm tired of constantly stating — April 1, 1991 - The New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times report that Selene Walters had verified her claim that then SAG President Ronald Reagan raped her in her home in 1952 — is not gossip. Gazpacho has passive-agressively made rather odd comments on my Talk page. I believe I am seeing Sysop Abuse from 172. - Sparky 18:09, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I am Gilgamesh. Mustafaa and I have been having charged conflicts with IZAK over the articles concerning Canaanite languages and Hebrew language. In particular, he seems to dispute the entire science of linguistics and language families, imposing historicity of the Abrahamic religion scripture without regard to other people's disputes over it, and has tried to eliminate "Category:Canaanite languages" altogether. The relevant articles are Hebrew language, Canaanite languages, Ammonite language, Moabite language, Edomite language, Biblical Hebrew language, Hebrew alphabet, and the categories "Category:Canaanite languages" and "Category:Hebrew language". Edit histories are available for those articles, and most of the discussion is at User_talk:IZAK, apparently recently mirrored at Talk:Modern Hebrew language. - Gilgamesh 08:23, 7 July 2004 (UTC)
You will note that it is Abraham who is the original Hebrew as regards the origins of the Hebrew people. You are again injecting your own speculations about Eber for whatever reasons.
"(1) whether Ammon, Moab and Edom can be called Hebrew nations alongside Israel, and (2) whether Hebrew can be classified among the Canaanite languages, and (3) whether "Hebrew" means "descendant of Eber" or more simply "non-pagan"."
Maybe this should resume, if at all, on Talk:Hebrew language. I did not envision the argument to resume here when this place (that we're cluttering) could be reserved for more mediation requests. It's partially my fault for always responding when and where something is said. - Gilgamesh 11:28, 7 July 2004 (UTC)
Hello, I'd like to request mediation with respect to articles regarding the western half of New Guinea. Specifically Papua (Indonesian province), but other pages as well. Daeron and I (and Wik) have been revert warring and arguing about this stuff on talk pages for some time. At this point, I think both of us are so fed up with each other that the intervention of some third party is necessary for any progress to be made. As it is now, we seem to be simply going in circles with one another. I have no particular preference as to mediator. john 04:56, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
Where did he do this? john 22:14, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
There has been a long-running feud between the both us, the details I will not recount here because I don't see how Mediation would resolve matters. However, there appears to be a development that Mediation might help with. Zestauferov wrote the following at Talk:David Rohl:
While I would like to accept this offer of a cease-fire (I have no problem with ignoring anything he writes), I feel there are couple of points that Zestauferov did not consider that would make any such cease-fire ineffective:
uestioned the motives of what I had wrote in the article David Rohl, making accusations I felt I must need answer. Because of this, I feel accepting this offer of a cease-fire implies that I must never respond to any criticism he makes of what I write, which is an unfair restriction on me -- as it would be on him. We need to find a point where both of us can hold the other blameless.
Undoubtedly there are other practical points that need working out, but the fact there is some kind of common ground here leads me to suspect that Mediation may work in this case. -- llywrch 23:13, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hello, My name is K.M. I am attacked by many people who has traditional religion. In Japanese Wikipedia, I'm stigmatized by Japanese administrators because I doubted to violate Japanese Copyrights Law, and I am blocked for a month. Added to this, they delated all of my contributions with no discussion. Now, I can't comment on these, and anti-Jehovah's Witnesses write slander of Jehovah's Witnesses. I think these are one-sided and I want to appeal Japanese Wikipedia to Japanese Court about them. And I think that all of the articles about Christianity in Japanese are POV. Please advise. K.M. 13:16, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
I am requesting mediation with this user do to accusations made by him against me. He has made baseless accusations that I engaged in inapproriate behavior regarding an admin vote. I request Bcorr as mediator. GrazingshipIV 01:44, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you both for being willing to work with me to mediate your conflict. I propose that I create a topic (thread) on the mediation message board, and if there is no objection, I will get things going this evening. You can set up an account on the message board here if you don't already have one. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 13:54, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
I have created the topic (thread) on the mediation bulletin board here. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 23:47, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
The arbitration committee has decided to refer the issues of Anthony's reverts and alleged trolling are referred to the mediation committee. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro for details. Martin 00:36, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Has anybody asked Kingturtle about being the other party? He was the one collecting most of the evidence. I don't know how much of the community considers this to be a current problem (well, I'm sure Wik still thinks Anthony is a troll). But I would say that many of us have learned to work with Anthony, as well as him learning to work with us. Anyway, to the extent that I might be a party (since I had a couple disagreements with Anthony), I consider those issues satisfactorily resolved and see no need for mediation. -- Michael Snow 18:52, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Statement from the Mediation Committee
Concerning the mediation requested by the Arbitration Committee regarding User:Anthony DiPierro and a number of other users:
Although the members of the Mediation Committee have been willing to conduct a mediation and have solicited possible participants, to date no one has stepped forward to be a second party. As it has been the committee's experience that attempting to conduct a mediation discussion with only one party has not been successful, it seems best to wait until there are additional parties willing to participate. Anthony has demonstrated his willingness to mediate; but his adversaries have not. Until they do, we must consider Anthony a Wikipedian in good standing, and any comments to the contrary a demonstration of incivility.
The Mediation Committee is more than willing to mediate this case if and when anyone comes forward with specific concerns.
BCorr &
sannse, Co-chairs
On behalf of the Mediation Committee
Copied to
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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro
In the hopes of avoiding a return to full-out edit war, I am seeking mediation over Democratic Underground. I stumbled upon the article a few weeks ago and noticed that there were a number of anonymous users repeatedly vandalizing the article and insert POV comments of various sorts. I requested protection for the page, and then attempted to propose compromise text. Upon the page being unprotected, I did my best to NPOV it, changes which Neutrality (who I strongly believe to be one of the previous participants in the conflict) and an anonymous user apparently find unacceptable; however, neither makes serious use of edit summaries or the talk page, limiting opportunities for dialogue. I have requested comment from the community, but there has been no interest. For the record, I don't have any experience with the site or the arguments under dispute, but I'm aware that it's a popular one and think we should have an NPOV article on it. RadicalSubversiv E 04:34, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
I accept. Neutrality 00:38, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
I find myself locked in an argument with two people about the sexual orientation of transwomen. I have edited the article in question to what I feel is a NPOV, describing the two commonly held beliefs. AlexR insists that one belief is unfounded and refuses to accept any resolution that does not agree with his POV. References which support the "unfounded" position are provided in the article. I have repeatedly requested that he provide any evidence that his position has any merit at all; he has not. Help would be appreciated. -- User:Eequor
Hi. Sannse mentionned to me your disagreement. I will unfortunately not be available at all for the next two days, and little till saturday. You might feel the issue is pressing, or you may consider that a couple of days might help cool down spirits... that is really up to you :-) I think I have no set opinion on the topic and am not unconfortable talking about sex issues. However, I am sure Cimon will be able to help you anyway. I might hang around the topic next week if you still didnot find a solution :-) My best. SweetLittleFluffyThing
Rick has called me a troll on multiple occasions, and when requested to stop, deleted my comment [1]. I request relief. Sam [ Spade] 05:29, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hi, could we get mediation for the NPOV and factual accuracy tags? The issue is that I don't believe their is much non-NPOV material on the page and there is no factual inaccuracy that I can see. User Tannin will not allow any of us to remove the tags from the top of the article. His issue is that he believes that the User Interface section is apologising for Microsoft and that only criticisms should be shown in the criticisms section. He won't let anyone place the opposing view and this gives the article a very anti-Microsoft slant. I have modified this slightly to try to rectify this, but this is apparently not good enough. He also has stated that there is factual inaccuracy in the page because: "(a) felt compelled to provide, albeit buried well down in the menu structure, a method to turn a good deal of the performace-sapping eye candy off, (b) recommend an accellerated graphics card (something that, until XP came along, has not been considered remotely relevant to a OS desktop), (c) make substantially higher hardware recomendations, particularly for RAM, and (d) programm the installer to insure that XP will not even load on lower-power systems." Quoting from last revision in talk 02:21, 6 Jul 2004 in Talk:Windows_XP#NPOV_and_Factual_Inaccuracy.
Also (and I'm not sure if I should put this in here) I object to the way that he has characterised me as a troll - he said I am engaged in "trolling bullshit" - and that I'm am performing a "syncophantic whitewash". See Talk:Windows_XP#NPOV_and_Factual_Inaccuracy I dislike his personal attacks over an issue as silly as a dispute about an operating system! - Ta bu shi da yu 02:54, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Ronald Reagan page. I'm tired of constantly stating — April 1, 1991 - The New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times report that Selene Walters had verified her claim that then SAG President Ronald Reagan raped her in her home in 1952 — is not gossip. Gazpacho has passive-agressively made rather odd comments on my Talk page. I believe I am seeing Sysop Abuse from 172. - Sparky 18:09, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I am Gilgamesh. Mustafaa and I have been having charged conflicts with IZAK over the articles concerning Canaanite languages and Hebrew language. In particular, he seems to dispute the entire science of linguistics and language families, imposing historicity of the Abrahamic religion scripture without regard to other people's disputes over it, and has tried to eliminate "Category:Canaanite languages" altogether. The relevant articles are Hebrew language, Canaanite languages, Ammonite language, Moabite language, Edomite language, Biblical Hebrew language, Hebrew alphabet, and the categories "Category:Canaanite languages" and "Category:Hebrew language". Edit histories are available for those articles, and most of the discussion is at User_talk:IZAK, apparently recently mirrored at Talk:Modern Hebrew language. - Gilgamesh 08:23, 7 July 2004 (UTC)
You will note that it is Abraham who is the original Hebrew as regards the origins of the Hebrew people. You are again injecting your own speculations about Eber for whatever reasons.
"(1) whether Ammon, Moab and Edom can be called Hebrew nations alongside Israel, and (2) whether Hebrew can be classified among the Canaanite languages, and (3) whether "Hebrew" means "descendant of Eber" or more simply "non-pagan"."
Maybe this should resume, if at all, on Talk:Hebrew language. I did not envision the argument to resume here when this place (that we're cluttering) could be reserved for more mediation requests. It's partially my fault for always responding when and where something is said. - Gilgamesh 11:28, 7 July 2004 (UTC)