Jewbacca is litiginous, involves admins, and is skilled in gaming the system. He has accused me of some crime involving saying bad things about him on his Talk page, the details of which I don't fully understand. He threatens heavy sanctions, and may construct a case based on edits or whatever -- I dont know what. I want this to stop, and specifically for Jewbacca to be prevented from attacking and threatening people in the future. This is a user who keeps his hands mostly clean, yet engages in constant battles with other users, most of which he seems to win by seeming 'innocent.' The battles are constant, and I want them to stop. Auto movil 06:05, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I will take on this case, and I ask both parties to contact me. Danny 17:00, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
These are NPOV dispute. Some Administrators threaten me to block me. Help! Rantaro 04:28, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I don't know what the current status is with this mediation, but having intervened in an earlier situation involving Rantaro, & having read the relevant sections of the talk pages of these articles, it appears to me that whenever Rantaro gets into a disagreement with another party, she/he becomes worried that she/he will be banned or blocked from Wikipedia. Would whoever aids in this mediation determine if my impression is correct, & if so let Rantaro know that we do not ban people simply for disagreeing with other Wikipedians? (People do get banned as a result of disagreements, but only because they have broken other rules: harassment, excessive reversions, etc., & as far as I can tell Rantaro has done none of these acts.) -- llywrch 20:53, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think this needs archiving, but don't think it appropriate for me to do so. Could another mediator please assess and archive? Thanks -- sannse (talk) 23:10, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I am requesting mediation with respect to a series of short biographical articles I wrote, in order to fill red (no-destination) Wikilinks on other articles I was editing. These are articles on primarily 19th Century Australian personalities who were active in the republican or independence movements. Each article was labeled {{msg: stub}}. Adam made useful contributions (with an occasional excess of POV); however, he also deleted most of the essential contributions I made to the original articles. I asked for an explanation, and he said, in so many words, that he was doing it out of spite, left over from previous edit conflicts on the Lyndon LaRouche articles (see Talk:William Spence and User_talk:Ambi#William_Spence. I welcome Adam's contributions, but not his subtractions, unless he can make a reasonable justification for them. Let me also say in advance that I would welcome mediation from anyone on the committee, with the sole exception of Bcorr. The disputed articles as of this writing are William Spence, H.C. Coombs, and John Dunmore Lang. -- Herschelkrustofsky 03:38, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
My position on Herschelkrustofsky is this: He is a self-admitted longtime member of the Lyndon LaRouche organisation, a corrupt, violent, fanatical, semi-fascist cult led by a convicted swindler and notorious anti-Semite. Herschelkrustofsky is also a proved liar and spreader of slanders against the integrity of anyone who opposes the LaRouche cult. His sole interest in Wikpedia is spreading LaRouche propaganda. No self-respecting encyclopaedia project would allow such a person to edit articles, and in my opinion Wikipedia should ban him from further participation. Wikpedia's failure to do so, or to protect serious editors against people like Herschelkrustofsky, Shorne and Hanpuk, is the main reason I have withdrawn from editing all non-Australian articles. Herschelkrustofsky has had no previous interest in Australian history, a subject about which he knows nothing, but has taken to editing Australian articles in order to support the absurd and offensive theory of the Australian LaRoucheites that various figures from Australian history are the ideological ancestors of LaRouchism. It is not acceptable for such a person to be editing Australian history articles. I have therefore written proper articles to replace the ones he wrote, and I have made it clear that I will revert any edits he makes to them. (That goes for Shorne too, who has intervened in support of Herschelkrustofsky in a sort of Wikipedian Hitler-Stalin pact). I do not intend withdrawing from this position. It's about time Wikipedia was forced to choose between the great majority of serious editors and the small handful of cultists and fanatics who are undermining the credibility of the whole project. Adam 05:43, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The mediator I discussed this with is unable to help at this time. I am currently talking to another -- sannse (talk) 13:52, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Please add Daniel Deniehy to the list of articles included in this dispute. -- Herschelkrustofsky 16:53, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Should the mediation committe prove incompetent, I am willing to serve as your mediator. Lirath Q. Pynnor
An update - I've mailed the other members of the committee and asked if anyone is willing to mediate for you. I hope someone will be able to help. I'm sorry this has taken so long -- sannse (talk) 23:21, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It has been repeatedly requested that the existing Artificial consciousness article be shifted to Strong AI. The reason for this request is that artificial consciousness is a general philosophical/scientific problem with mythological and artistic aspects and the heavy emphasis on strong AI in the current text is obscuring this. The occupation of this heading by an article on strong AI could be construed as a manifesto for strong AI. Requests for comment have already been made but there is little progress. User: 80.3.32.93.12.04
I will be happy to mediate between the parties if this is okay with them. Danny 10:55, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Matthew Stannard admitted himself that he is trolling at [3] Is it enough for arbitration, or how far the things can go? Tkorrovi 11:19, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think this on needs an update. I think cimon is working on it? Can it be archived? -- sannse (talk) 01:38, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ambi started an arbitration case against me on the grounds that I should not be allowed to revert articles, and that I should be blocked for expressing my opinions. While she has withdrawn the case against me, she will not apologize for it and says she has only temporarily withdrawn it. I am tired of the atmosphere of threats, insults and harshness, and I feel we cannot continue normal discussion until she acknowledges my right to an opinion and my right to revert an edit I disagree with. Therefore I would like to request a mediator. Everyking 11:24, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I agree unconditionally to participate in this mediation as a party to the dispute. I think Ambi, Johnleemk and I all have the same grievance against Everyking and if we're all willing that single grievance can be resolved by mediation. --
Tony Sidaway|
Talk 11:51, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ambi tells me she has withdrawn from mediation or
Everyking has excluded her (I'm not sure which). I have been asked if I would take over mediation. I have decided against. My experience over the past few days attempting to edit
Autobiography (album) leads me to believe that I can never work with Everyking because I do not find his explanations for his persistent reverts of other people's edits acceptable or even credible. I refuse to be drawn into a revert war. For the time being, I will simply try to keep away from any article with which he is involved. --
Tony Sidaway|
Talk 00:45, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've been asked in my capacity with the AMA to request mediation on this page by User:Ray Foster. He feels that many of the changes made to the article recently, and those suggested, are of a detrimental nature to the article, and as he is deaf and the other major contributor has a deaf child the arguments have been quite heated. The nature of the dispute is specifically over the role of cochlear implants, but in general regarding the section of the article on views of treatment. Discussion between the users on the talk page has not been fruitful, and given the circumstances (especially the specificity of the dispute and, at the same time, its somewhat nebulous nature) I felt the best course would be to proceed to mediation. I feel that the only specific requirement is to have an authority come in and offer a way of ironing out the most divisive elements, and I have every expectation that this will prove all that is needed to end this dispute. I have contacted the other user primarily involved, Dcreemer, and have requested his cooperation. Please contact me ASAP on the viability of this request. Wally 07:58, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I writing to officially notify everyone that I am declining both advocacy and mediation. After being enlightened by Dcreemer's advocate, Keith, about the various procedures available to resolve editing issues I see no reason at this time to hold up progress on the article for my sake. I've notified my advocate, Wally, of my decision and from this point I'm open to any advice anyone may want to impart as to how to proceed. I'm assuming that since I initiated the request for assistance, I can delete the notice on the page which asks contributors not to edit the article. If this is an incorrect assumption, I humble ask that someone let me know and I will replace the notice. Thank you all for your consideration and assistance. Ray Foster 18:59, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In the interests of the conduction of affairs in a public way, I want to note that I have both received and acknowledged Ray Foster's request for me to stand down and end any proposed mediation. At this time, and apprised now with facts of which I had not previously been aware, I fully agree and concur with this course of action.
I do believe two points should be made to clarify this matter to the uttermost degree. Firstly, I posted a request for mediation regarding the deaf page due to the fact that the dispute was not only of an esoteric and highly-technical nature, requiring (as I then saw it) the personal attention of a designated agent, but because of the personal character of the debate to all parties involved, especially at the time. Requests for comment had not meant with either positive success or any sort of appropriate level of reply, there were too few users involved to make a quickpoll viable, and I felt that all user-based negotiative efforts had been exhausted. It was in this mind that I brought forth this request, first to the parties involved, and then here. In the intervening period, I assisted in the retention of an advocate for Dcreemer, the other party involved, and unbeknownst to me Ray Foster had made personal amends with Dcreemer, thus removing any applicable personal aspect to this dispute and leaving it simply one regarding the article. With that now known, I no longer feel mediation is necessary, nor would I have continued pursuit of this course had I been apprised of this development.
Additionally, at no time did I recommend to Ray Foster to revert comments on the deaf page or demand other users, either myself or through he, to do so. I requested that he "please refrain from editing or commenting on the page and encourage others to do so", which I can acknowledge may have been insufficiently clear. My intent was merely that until some sort of settlement was reach that he not post any more edits that Dcreemer or other users might find objectionable and ask, in order to avoid possible problems, other users to refrain from tampering with the page entirely until the dispute was concluded. I was not aware that Ray Foster had reverted edits (although I did note his request on the page not to edit it further, which I imagined was posted per my advice to him) and apologize for not being aware of this and correcting the error that occured. I am confident that Ray did not do so out of any sort of malice, but rather as he sincerely believed that it is what I had advised and requested, and as my advice was not perfectly specific. I feel fortunate that Keith Tyler, acting as advocate for Dcreemr at my request, discovered what had occured and acted to stop it, as well as to discontinue mediation, which due to Ray Foster's statement to Dcreemer was no longer necessary, the dispute no longer having a personal nature.
I am glad that the situation is proceeding to an amenable development, and thank all those who had a hand in promoting such a result. I merely feel it necessary, as the user opening the request, to restate my intentions and clarify ambiguous issues in the process of closing the request. Wally 21:35, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Exploding Boy has instigated both and RfC and a request for Arbitration against me. Together with this he has made a number of allegations which are contrived. I believe that the source of this animosity towards me lies in a fundamental difference in POV. His POV position has become even more evident recently. My belief is that he has behaved atrociously and as an admin has brought the office of admin/sysop into disrepute. Through this mediation I hope to reach an understanding with Exploding Boy that he ceases to abuse the systems of Wikipedia as a means to neutralise those with whom he has a POV disagreement. Should the mediation fail I intend to take this issue to the AC with the view of having him stripped of admin/sysop position. - Robert the Bruce 18:04, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
As I've stated numerous times on various pages, and as you are well aware, I have absolutely no faith that mediation with you would accomplish anything positive. As I've said before, there are many reasons for this, especially the fact that your behaviour is not limited to interactions with me but is part of your general "Robert the Bruce" persona. In addition, I observed at least the beginning of your mediation with Theresa Knott and was far from impressed by the attitude you adopted. Can you give evidence of a positive outcome in that mediation? Similarly, the recent notes you've left on my talk page leave me convinced that mediation will not and cannot provice any solution to the problems you cause on Wikipedia. You've made no attempt to convince me otherwise. Exploding Boy 23:43, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
Noisy had problems with the way Robbot was working. I have requested him to apologize about certain things in his remarks. He did not react. - Andre Engels 18:31, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
So what's the next step now, and who is to take it? - Andre Engels 16:09, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in this. The next step is to find a mediator that both of you will agree to work with. I have mailed the other mediators to ask who is currently available and willing to help in this. I hope someone will be able to help shortly -- sannse (talk) 23:46, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Any mediator is fine by me. Noisy | Talk 11:18, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
An edit war has gone out of control on Charles Darwin.
The Early Life section of the article contained this phrase:
It has been in the article for some time (placed there by someone else, not me) when User:Noisy deleted it, claiming it was irrelevant. I reverted claiming it was interesting. Others joined the delete side and tit-for-tat revert war occured. A compromise was reached by including the coincidence in a new Trivia section. The Trivia section was quickly deleted and the tit-for-tat war resumed. An non-neutral (I thought) RfC was posted and I modified it. The original poster did not revert the modified version. The Trivia section compromise was tried again, and deleted again. RfC has not resolved the dispute.
I feel a group of people has taken over the article. The reason for total deletion of any mention of the coincidence (irrelevance) is POV, but it seems it's OK for a majority to be POV. I have given many many reasons why it should stay in somewhere (it's factual, it's a good time marker, it's culturally significant and gets 4000 google hits, etc.), and I have also accepted compromise (the Trivia section).
I request mediation to help resolve this dispute.
This has moved to arbitration and should be archived. -- Curps 16:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Jewbacca is litiginous, involves admins, and is skilled in gaming the system. He has accused me of some crime involving saying bad things about him on his Talk page, the details of which I don't fully understand. He threatens heavy sanctions, and may construct a case based on edits or whatever -- I dont know what. I want this to stop, and specifically for Jewbacca to be prevented from attacking and threatening people in the future. This is a user who keeps his hands mostly clean, yet engages in constant battles with other users, most of which he seems to win by seeming 'innocent.' The battles are constant, and I want them to stop. Auto movil 06:05, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I will take on this case, and I ask both parties to contact me. Danny 17:00, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
These are NPOV dispute. Some Administrators threaten me to block me. Help! Rantaro 04:28, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I don't know what the current status is with this mediation, but having intervened in an earlier situation involving Rantaro, & having read the relevant sections of the talk pages of these articles, it appears to me that whenever Rantaro gets into a disagreement with another party, she/he becomes worried that she/he will be banned or blocked from Wikipedia. Would whoever aids in this mediation determine if my impression is correct, & if so let Rantaro know that we do not ban people simply for disagreeing with other Wikipedians? (People do get banned as a result of disagreements, but only because they have broken other rules: harassment, excessive reversions, etc., & as far as I can tell Rantaro has done none of these acts.) -- llywrch 20:53, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think this needs archiving, but don't think it appropriate for me to do so. Could another mediator please assess and archive? Thanks -- sannse (talk) 23:10, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I am requesting mediation with respect to a series of short biographical articles I wrote, in order to fill red (no-destination) Wikilinks on other articles I was editing. These are articles on primarily 19th Century Australian personalities who were active in the republican or independence movements. Each article was labeled {{msg: stub}}. Adam made useful contributions (with an occasional excess of POV); however, he also deleted most of the essential contributions I made to the original articles. I asked for an explanation, and he said, in so many words, that he was doing it out of spite, left over from previous edit conflicts on the Lyndon LaRouche articles (see Talk:William Spence and User_talk:Ambi#William_Spence. I welcome Adam's contributions, but not his subtractions, unless he can make a reasonable justification for them. Let me also say in advance that I would welcome mediation from anyone on the committee, with the sole exception of Bcorr. The disputed articles as of this writing are William Spence, H.C. Coombs, and John Dunmore Lang. -- Herschelkrustofsky 03:38, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
My position on Herschelkrustofsky is this: He is a self-admitted longtime member of the Lyndon LaRouche organisation, a corrupt, violent, fanatical, semi-fascist cult led by a convicted swindler and notorious anti-Semite. Herschelkrustofsky is also a proved liar and spreader of slanders against the integrity of anyone who opposes the LaRouche cult. His sole interest in Wikpedia is spreading LaRouche propaganda. No self-respecting encyclopaedia project would allow such a person to edit articles, and in my opinion Wikipedia should ban him from further participation. Wikpedia's failure to do so, or to protect serious editors against people like Herschelkrustofsky, Shorne and Hanpuk, is the main reason I have withdrawn from editing all non-Australian articles. Herschelkrustofsky has had no previous interest in Australian history, a subject about which he knows nothing, but has taken to editing Australian articles in order to support the absurd and offensive theory of the Australian LaRoucheites that various figures from Australian history are the ideological ancestors of LaRouchism. It is not acceptable for such a person to be editing Australian history articles. I have therefore written proper articles to replace the ones he wrote, and I have made it clear that I will revert any edits he makes to them. (That goes for Shorne too, who has intervened in support of Herschelkrustofsky in a sort of Wikipedian Hitler-Stalin pact). I do not intend withdrawing from this position. It's about time Wikipedia was forced to choose between the great majority of serious editors and the small handful of cultists and fanatics who are undermining the credibility of the whole project. Adam 05:43, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The mediator I discussed this with is unable to help at this time. I am currently talking to another -- sannse (talk) 13:52, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Please add Daniel Deniehy to the list of articles included in this dispute. -- Herschelkrustofsky 16:53, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Should the mediation committe prove incompetent, I am willing to serve as your mediator. Lirath Q. Pynnor
An update - I've mailed the other members of the committee and asked if anyone is willing to mediate for you. I hope someone will be able to help. I'm sorry this has taken so long -- sannse (talk) 23:21, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It has been repeatedly requested that the existing Artificial consciousness article be shifted to Strong AI. The reason for this request is that artificial consciousness is a general philosophical/scientific problem with mythological and artistic aspects and the heavy emphasis on strong AI in the current text is obscuring this. The occupation of this heading by an article on strong AI could be construed as a manifesto for strong AI. Requests for comment have already been made but there is little progress. User: 80.3.32.93.12.04
I will be happy to mediate between the parties if this is okay with them. Danny 10:55, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Matthew Stannard admitted himself that he is trolling at [3] Is it enough for arbitration, or how far the things can go? Tkorrovi 11:19, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think this on needs an update. I think cimon is working on it? Can it be archived? -- sannse (talk) 01:38, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ambi started an arbitration case against me on the grounds that I should not be allowed to revert articles, and that I should be blocked for expressing my opinions. While she has withdrawn the case against me, she will not apologize for it and says she has only temporarily withdrawn it. I am tired of the atmosphere of threats, insults and harshness, and I feel we cannot continue normal discussion until she acknowledges my right to an opinion and my right to revert an edit I disagree with. Therefore I would like to request a mediator. Everyking 11:24, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I agree unconditionally to participate in this mediation as a party to the dispute. I think Ambi, Johnleemk and I all have the same grievance against Everyking and if we're all willing that single grievance can be resolved by mediation. --
Tony Sidaway|
Talk 11:51, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ambi tells me she has withdrawn from mediation or
Everyking has excluded her (I'm not sure which). I have been asked if I would take over mediation. I have decided against. My experience over the past few days attempting to edit
Autobiography (album) leads me to believe that I can never work with Everyking because I do not find his explanations for his persistent reverts of other people's edits acceptable or even credible. I refuse to be drawn into a revert war. For the time being, I will simply try to keep away from any article with which he is involved. --
Tony Sidaway|
Talk 00:45, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've been asked in my capacity with the AMA to request mediation on this page by User:Ray Foster. He feels that many of the changes made to the article recently, and those suggested, are of a detrimental nature to the article, and as he is deaf and the other major contributor has a deaf child the arguments have been quite heated. The nature of the dispute is specifically over the role of cochlear implants, but in general regarding the section of the article on views of treatment. Discussion between the users on the talk page has not been fruitful, and given the circumstances (especially the specificity of the dispute and, at the same time, its somewhat nebulous nature) I felt the best course would be to proceed to mediation. I feel that the only specific requirement is to have an authority come in and offer a way of ironing out the most divisive elements, and I have every expectation that this will prove all that is needed to end this dispute. I have contacted the other user primarily involved, Dcreemer, and have requested his cooperation. Please contact me ASAP on the viability of this request. Wally 07:58, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I writing to officially notify everyone that I am declining both advocacy and mediation. After being enlightened by Dcreemer's advocate, Keith, about the various procedures available to resolve editing issues I see no reason at this time to hold up progress on the article for my sake. I've notified my advocate, Wally, of my decision and from this point I'm open to any advice anyone may want to impart as to how to proceed. I'm assuming that since I initiated the request for assistance, I can delete the notice on the page which asks contributors not to edit the article. If this is an incorrect assumption, I humble ask that someone let me know and I will replace the notice. Thank you all for your consideration and assistance. Ray Foster 18:59, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In the interests of the conduction of affairs in a public way, I want to note that I have both received and acknowledged Ray Foster's request for me to stand down and end any proposed mediation. At this time, and apprised now with facts of which I had not previously been aware, I fully agree and concur with this course of action.
I do believe two points should be made to clarify this matter to the uttermost degree. Firstly, I posted a request for mediation regarding the deaf page due to the fact that the dispute was not only of an esoteric and highly-technical nature, requiring (as I then saw it) the personal attention of a designated agent, but because of the personal character of the debate to all parties involved, especially at the time. Requests for comment had not meant with either positive success or any sort of appropriate level of reply, there were too few users involved to make a quickpoll viable, and I felt that all user-based negotiative efforts had been exhausted. It was in this mind that I brought forth this request, first to the parties involved, and then here. In the intervening period, I assisted in the retention of an advocate for Dcreemer, the other party involved, and unbeknownst to me Ray Foster had made personal amends with Dcreemer, thus removing any applicable personal aspect to this dispute and leaving it simply one regarding the article. With that now known, I no longer feel mediation is necessary, nor would I have continued pursuit of this course had I been apprised of this development.
Additionally, at no time did I recommend to Ray Foster to revert comments on the deaf page or demand other users, either myself or through he, to do so. I requested that he "please refrain from editing or commenting on the page and encourage others to do so", which I can acknowledge may have been insufficiently clear. My intent was merely that until some sort of settlement was reach that he not post any more edits that Dcreemer or other users might find objectionable and ask, in order to avoid possible problems, other users to refrain from tampering with the page entirely until the dispute was concluded. I was not aware that Ray Foster had reverted edits (although I did note his request on the page not to edit it further, which I imagined was posted per my advice to him) and apologize for not being aware of this and correcting the error that occured. I am confident that Ray did not do so out of any sort of malice, but rather as he sincerely believed that it is what I had advised and requested, and as my advice was not perfectly specific. I feel fortunate that Keith Tyler, acting as advocate for Dcreemr at my request, discovered what had occured and acted to stop it, as well as to discontinue mediation, which due to Ray Foster's statement to Dcreemer was no longer necessary, the dispute no longer having a personal nature.
I am glad that the situation is proceeding to an amenable development, and thank all those who had a hand in promoting such a result. I merely feel it necessary, as the user opening the request, to restate my intentions and clarify ambiguous issues in the process of closing the request. Wally 21:35, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Exploding Boy has instigated both and RfC and a request for Arbitration against me. Together with this he has made a number of allegations which are contrived. I believe that the source of this animosity towards me lies in a fundamental difference in POV. His POV position has become even more evident recently. My belief is that he has behaved atrociously and as an admin has brought the office of admin/sysop into disrepute. Through this mediation I hope to reach an understanding with Exploding Boy that he ceases to abuse the systems of Wikipedia as a means to neutralise those with whom he has a POV disagreement. Should the mediation fail I intend to take this issue to the AC with the view of having him stripped of admin/sysop position. - Robert the Bruce 18:04, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
As I've stated numerous times on various pages, and as you are well aware, I have absolutely no faith that mediation with you would accomplish anything positive. As I've said before, there are many reasons for this, especially the fact that your behaviour is not limited to interactions with me but is part of your general "Robert the Bruce" persona. In addition, I observed at least the beginning of your mediation with Theresa Knott and was far from impressed by the attitude you adopted. Can you give evidence of a positive outcome in that mediation? Similarly, the recent notes you've left on my talk page leave me convinced that mediation will not and cannot provice any solution to the problems you cause on Wikipedia. You've made no attempt to convince me otherwise. Exploding Boy 23:43, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
Noisy had problems with the way Robbot was working. I have requested him to apologize about certain things in his remarks. He did not react. - Andre Engels 18:31, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
So what's the next step now, and who is to take it? - Andre Engels 16:09, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in this. The next step is to find a mediator that both of you will agree to work with. I have mailed the other mediators to ask who is currently available and willing to help in this. I hope someone will be able to help shortly -- sannse (talk) 23:46, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Any mediator is fine by me. Noisy | Talk 11:18, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
An edit war has gone out of control on Charles Darwin.
The Early Life section of the article contained this phrase:
It has been in the article for some time (placed there by someone else, not me) when User:Noisy deleted it, claiming it was irrelevant. I reverted claiming it was interesting. Others joined the delete side and tit-for-tat revert war occured. A compromise was reached by including the coincidence in a new Trivia section. The Trivia section was quickly deleted and the tit-for-tat war resumed. An non-neutral (I thought) RfC was posted and I modified it. The original poster did not revert the modified version. The Trivia section compromise was tried again, and deleted again. RfC has not resolved the dispute.
I feel a group of people has taken over the article. The reason for total deletion of any mention of the coincidence (irrelevance) is POV, but it seems it's OK for a majority to be POV. I have given many many reasons why it should stay in somewhere (it's factual, it's a good time marker, it's culturally significant and gets 4000 google hits, etc.), and I have also accepted compromise (the Trivia section).
I request mediation to help resolve this dispute.
This has moved to arbitration and should be archived. -- Curps 16:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)