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The result was redirect to Birmingham New Street railway station. Article history will be left intact since there is substantial interest in merging content. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Clearly fails WP:GNG, one source is a map book, the other is a historical source. Any sourced content could be moved to Birmingham New Street railway station. Rly junctions generally do not merit their own articles. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 18:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Fort William railway station. Legoktm ( talk) 02:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Suggest sourced content be merged into the main station article. Clearly fails WP:GNG in itself, as the article relies on two books, both over 30 years old. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 17:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Consensus is the junction isn't notable. If someone needs the history to merge, or to create an article on the crash, happy to provide. Star Mississippi 01:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Relies entirely on two inline references (one from 8 years ago, the other 13), and clearly fails to meet WP:GNG, along with its 'sister article', Shields Junction. Rly junctions almost never warrant their own article. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 17:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 16:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I can find no evidence these terms are used in the scientific literature, or even evidence that "subsea" is ever used as a noun (apparently referring to part of a sea). If kept, they should be merged together under Subsea (waterbody) or something; if deleted, Subsea (technology) should be moved back to Subsea, which currently incorrectly redirects to the disambiguated title. Mdewman6 ( talk) 22:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude (talk) 11:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The only current speeches by President Biden with wikipedia pages are his inagural adresss, his first adresss to a Joint session of Congress, and his first State of the Union. All of these were important presidential remarks covered nationally. This speech, while talked about, was not different than any other speech than Biden gave, it was not covered nationally. [1] Esolo5002 ( talk) 22:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
To early. No notable enough Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 20:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Education in Norwalk, Connecticut. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 21:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Contested PROD; non-notable private pre-school whose only claim to fame were plans of buying and renovating the White Barn Theatre. No actual significant coverage of the school was found. Why? I Ask ( talk) 20:06, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. I discounted the sockpuppetry. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Not notable. Fails WP:POLITICIAN Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 19:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep. The page is important for young aspiring leaders — Preceding
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Astrology book author with 1 book in credit that is not a notable book either. Article only has non notable fringe theories from the author. Fails WP:NAUTHOR, The greek version of his bio was deleted 10 years ago. Venkat TL ( talk) 19:22, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. Ignoring the comments by accounts blocked for sockpuppetry, there is clear consensus to keep. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Not reliable article, not enough independent sources for WP:COMP Bigneeerman ( talk) 13:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
List of sources I've found. To be completed.
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The result was redirect to Sleeping Rough in Port-au-Prince. Legoktm ( talk) 02:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
I am the subject of this article (and can verify this) and do not wish to have this page. I do not believe that I meet the standards of a noteworthy person. Please consider deleting this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor0108004 ( talk • contribs)
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The result was delete. No evidence of SIGCOV has been provided. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
An article on a wartime Second Lieutenant and later schoolteacher. There are articles here on several of the subject's relatives, but notability is not inherited from them. Setting these aside, we have routine listings (Census, Kelly's Directory), which may also apply to the masonic listing volume, plus an Imperial War Museum "Lives of the First World War" timeline, and my searches are not finding better. The subject does not appear to meet biographical notability criteria, whether in his military, teaching or religious service. (Note that the previous AfD on a "Howard Johns" article was for a different person.) AllyD ( talk) 09:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The arguments to keep are quite weak; neither addresses the notability of this subject directly, and the one attempt below to provide WP:SIGCOV does not succeed. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Club plays in the Bahraini Premier League which are not fully-professional. Same goes for Al-Hala SC. It does not include any citations furthermore. Sakiv ( talk) 18:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/al-ahli-manama/45471 | ![]() |
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https://int.soccerway.com/teams/bahrain/al-ahli-manama/3616/ | ![]() |
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https://www.soccer24.com/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ | ![]() |
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https://oddspedia.com/football/teams/al-ahli-manama-9160 | ![]() |
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https://www.livescore.in/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ | ![]() |
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https://www.instagram.com/bahrainfa/ | ![]() |
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https://twitter.com/BahrainFA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3AbahrainFA%7Ctwcon%5Es2 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://bfa.bh/team/al-ahli-sports-club/ | ![]() |
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https://bfa.bh/regulations/ | ![]() |
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https://bfa.bh/blog/page/3/ | ![]() |
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:13, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Was on the Edmonton Eskimos for two months in the 2009 offseason ( signed april 24, released june 12), but never played. There is very little coverage of him, with the most in-depth article I could find (besides a press release by one of his teams) being a single sentence long, and as a result he fails WP:GNG. If it still existed, he would have failed NGRIDIRON as well. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 18:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 17:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Contested PROD (no rationale). Unable to find proper independent coverage through Google Search for full name and without middle name. Ovinus ( talk) 17:53, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 17:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Notability is under question per WP:GNG and anybio. Too many cut-n-paste phrases from a corporate website Driodr ( talk) 17:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Spam with no RS Driodr ( talk) 16:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 17:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Article about footballer which fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Weyer is a semi-pro with just one international match. The only online English-, French-, German- or Luxembourgish-language coverage is trivial, including transfer announcements and entries in statistical databases. PROD was contested without providing any evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Jogurney ( talk) 16:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 17:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I happened to find this today, marked for zero citations since 2014 (but actually in existence since 2007), so I did a fair few web searches trying to find e.g. 'slavica 1987 igić -wiki', and got practically nothing (the name also coincides with a relatively popular given name). I don't think a separate article is warranted for an apparent scholarly work that has so little scholarly or real-world coverage. The author's article also has a bunch of cleanup tags... Joy [shallot] ( talk) 16:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
In accordance with WP:POLITICIAN, being an unelected candidate doesn't equate to notability. - Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 14:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was speedy delete. CSD G7, Liz Read! Talk! 05:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Refbombed article with patchy sourcing (at best), profiling YouTuber and stood up on mostly non-RS references, created by SPA. Take out social, passing mentions, usage of his Sandy coverage by MSM and links to his own platform and you fail WP:GNG with brio. NOTE now at John Mateer (filmmaker) Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
{{hidden | headerstyle = background: #ccccff; font-size: 110%; | header = Really long rationale by the article creator | content =:Okay. If you have to say “take out this, this & this and it would be subject to deletion” … isn’t that you blatantly stating that it is not subject to deletion? Category for “YouTuber” was removed. The subject of the article is listed as a filmmaker. He has been featured in films as well as worked as the cinematographer on others. I referenced his film production company that he started to further explain.
I went on to read WP:SPA and totally get what you are saying. I didn’t think about that and I will broaden my focus immediately. I didn’t realize how that could come across. Apologies. — Preceding
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For the SPA comment, I give you that. It was just how I wanted to go about my first article. I was going to make it, have it reviewed, learn more about the process and then go on to create more. I apologize if this seem like a SPA, but I had only begun editing the page on the 29th of September. I have a list of other topics I want to write about. I specifically write about the New York film scene because I live in New York myself and am aware of these people. John Mateer stood out for his bizarre story. There’s still so much more to include. I apologize for the heavy defense. I just have been working so hard on it, it took me by suripise. I requested a peer edit and now it’s getting trashed. I would’ve loved feedback. This is just disheartening.
I’ll give it my best though:
WP:BASIC & WP:NBASIC state the following: “People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.”
This is a list I could compile for you now to show you that the subject indeed meets the criteria, and that this nomination should be revoked in favor for an editing suggestion.
"The Fordham Ram" (USA), 18 January 2021, by: Jaclyn Weiner, "Updating Gay Hate Crime Legislation"
"MediaUpdate.co.za" (South Africa), 14 November 2012, "Superstorm New York: What Really Happened"
"PRNewswire" (USA), 12 November 2012, "National Geographic Channel To Air First In-Depth Cable Documentary On Wrath And Destruction Of Hurricane Sandy In Superstorm 2012"
"Philly Voice" (USA), 15 November 2019, by: Daniel Craig, "Man says he was beaten by PSU fraternity member because he's gay"
"Opposing Views" (USA), 8 March 2018, by: Amanda Andrade-Rhoades, "'Don't Let A Frat Guy Know That You're Gay': Teen Allegedly Beaten Up At Penn State"
"Onward State" (USA), 15 October 2015, by: Megan Fleming, "Penn State Altoona Student Charged Following Alleged Homophobic Assault"
"StateCollege.com" (USA), 15 October 2015, by: Zach Berger, "Penn State Student Charged in Alleged Anti-Gay Assault"
"The Underground" (USA), 12 October 2015, by: Adam Tidball, "Mateer's Assault and Homophobia at Penn State"
"Seventeen" (USA), 8 October 2015, by: Elizabeth Denton, "Gay Teen Brutally Attacked Outside a Penn State Frat House"
"Total Frat Move" (USA), 8 October 2015, by: Harrison Lee, "Viral Tweet Accuses PSU Fraternity Member Of Beating Guy Up For Being Gay, Police Find Suspect Isn't Actually In Fraternity"
"Logo TV" (USA), 7 October 2015, by: Matthew Tharrett, "GAY TEEN VICIOUSLY BEATEN AT PENN STATE AFTER REVEALING HE IS GAY"
"Teen Vogue" (USA), 7 October 2015, by: Emma Sarran Webster, "This Teen Was Beaten Outside a Penn State Frat House After Revealing That He's Gay"
"Gay Star News" (USA), 7 October 2015, "Gay college student visiting Penn State comes out outside fraternity house, gets beaten"
"COED" (USA), 7 October 2015, by: Alexa Lyons, "Teen Claims PSU Student Assaulted Him For Being Gay"
"Metro" (USA), 6 October 2015, by: Matthew Lee, "Man claims he was gay bashed by Penn State frat guy"
"NY Daily News" (USA), 6 October 2015, by: Melissa Chan, "Long Island teen claims Penn State fraternity member beat him for being gay: 'Don't let a frat guy know that you're gay'"
"Edge" (USA), 6 October 2015, "NY Teen Says Penn State Frat Member Beat Him Over Sexuality"
"Towleroad" (USA), 6 October 2015, by: Ande Towle, "Police Investigating Alleged Anti-Gay Assault of Man at Penn State University"
"Pink News" (UK), 6 October 2015, by: JOSEPH MCCORMICK, "Police investigate alleged assault on college teen by 'frat member'"
"Fox 5 New York" (USA), 5 October 2015, "Police investigate possible anti-gay beating"
"The Tab" (USA), 5 October 2015, "Gay man allegedly beaten in North Burrowes assault"
"Inside Edition" (USA), 4 October 2015, by: IE Staff, "Police Investigate After Teen Says He Was Assaulted at Penn State University For Being Gay"
"Channel Guide Magazine" (USA), 16 June 2013, by: Barb Oates, "Long Island Medium Season 4 recap of "Bouffants and Bingo""
"CBS 6" (USA), 2 November 2012, by: Sandi Cauley, "Trees fall in NY neighborhood as Sandy comes ashore"
"Forbes" (USA), 2 November 2012, by: Kashmir Hill, "Sandy Through The Eyes of YouTube and a Drone: Falling Trees, Fires and Flooding"
"CNET" (USA), 31 October 2012, by: Chris Matyszczyk, "Sandy video: Falling trees. Fire. 'Apocalypse'"
"Aristegui Noticias" (Mexico), 31 October 2012, "'Frankenstorm' se llevó hasta los árboles en EU"
"Pirman" (Spain), 31 October 2012, "Esto es el 'Apocalipsis'. Sandy videos: Caída de árboles. Fuego. Olas gigantes."
"Klix" (Bosnia and Herzegovina), 30 October 2012, "Pogledajte s kakvom lakocom uragan Sandy cupa drvece"
"BostInno" (USA), 30 October 2012, by: Sam Dwyer, "'Hurricane Sandy 3 Trees Fall and Fire' Becomes Next Double Rainbow Guy"
"Mashable" (USA), 30 October 2012, by: Stephanie Haberman, "'This Is the Apocalypse' Video Shows Sandy Destruction"
4theloveofallthings ( talk) 15:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: You are linking to search results for “John Thomas Mateer”.. as clear in his page on IMDb, most of — if not ALL of his last titles are credited “John Mateer.”
It has his included his middle name in his IMDb, and the page John Mateer was already taken, so I went with middle name included. If you are looking for sources while searching for “John Thomas Mateer,” you are unlikely to find the same amount of information as you would if you typed in “John Mateer” followed by whatever you want to know.
Just wanted to share this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4theloveofallthings ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
https://edoc.ub.uni-muenchen.de/21845/1/Fuchs_Tanja.pdf (Pages 166-168) scholarly source titled “Violence against Lesbians, Gays and Bisexuals - Social Media Activism in the Obama Era in the Light of Johan Galtung’s Violence Triangle”
Try that instead for the Penn State situation. That looks heavily sourced to me.
Included sources to articles by Teen Vogue, Philly Voice, NY Daily News, Inside Edition and others speaking about Mateer's viral assault.
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/gay-teen-assaulted-outside-frat-penn-state
For the Hurricane Sandy Viral Video. The documentary I included in a source not only opens by calling MATEER’S video “world famous,” but he stars start to finish in the entire thing.
I included sources for the Hurricane Sandy event to televised interviews of Mateer with Katie Couric over the matter, I put a source from FORBES talking about MATEER’S footage.
Try this instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVQPqUbjkJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWnBX_x2Md4 (this is the Weather Channels official YouTube channel)
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/police-investigate-possible-anti-gay-beating — Preceding
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I am confused because with the exception of the scholarly source, which I will add, all of these were cited.
Forbes. Fox News. ABC. The Weather Channel. Teen Vogue. NY Daily News.
If these aren’t strong enough of sources, I am left very confused what the standard for a source is.
Perhaps tagging the article with a warning to clean up the sources and edit it better would’ve been suffice? I disagree wholeheartedly with the notion that this article should be deleted. At the most, I’d say change the title to “John Mateer (filmmaker).” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4theloveofallthings ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
I apologize for my mistake with the AfD page. I’m still learning. I was struggling to figure out how to sign and the bot was signing it for me. I figured that was okay.
4theloveofallthings ( talk) 16:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude (talk) 11:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Seemingly WP:NN author failing each element of WP:AUTHOR. While some books have been "shortlisted" for awards that she did not win, it appears she won a minor award, the Sharp Book History award for one book. [14]
This article was created and heavily edited by the subject.
Toddst1 ( talk) 13:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude (talk) 11:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Indian Street Metal single by bluelinked Bloodywood, this single is not notable. No chart placing, no gold discs, claim of views uncited (and in any case doesn't count towards notability), coverage is mix of passing mentions, YouTube 'reaction' or articles about the band - the one article all about the single is an interview. No evidence of lasting impact. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NSINGLE. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 13:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
WP:NOTNEWS. Nothing really happened, which made the news the day it didn't happen, but has no lasting impact. Fram ( talk) 13:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was speedy delete. Ged UK 11:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Non notable businessesman. Reads like a CV. Coriannakox ( talk) 10:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Cricket at the 1900 Summer Olympics#Medalists. Star Mississippi 01:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC) ETA and delete H. Terry redirect due to the redirection of the article with all of the cricketer's names. Thanks for flagging my omission. Star Mississippi 12:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Non-notable cricketer, does not meet WP:GNG or the revised version of WP:NOLY, while he did win a medal there were only two teams competing in the event. A search brought up nothing outside of directory listings. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 10:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 08:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Article with no references. Could not find any news (or social media, or anything really) coverage whatsoever and the website hasn't been updated for a couple of years. Fails WP:GNG. Blue Edits ( talk) 09:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 08:38, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG, the only coverage available comes from primary sources and fluff pieces in clearly unreliable tourism websites. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 09:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 08:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
This is, as far as I can tell, the regular Pokémon Journeys: The Series series, but for India it is shown on a youtube channel? No idea why this needs a separate article, and the disambiguator makes it an unlikely search term so a redirect seems like a bad idea as well. We don't create separate articles for every language a TV series is dubbed in. Fram ( talk) 07:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Also nominated for deletion for same reasons: Pokémon the Series: XY (YouTube). Fram ( talk) 07:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Does not appear to meet any WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG criteria. QuietHere ( talk) 07:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Adrenaline Mob. Liz Read! Talk! 08:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Does not appear to meet any WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG criteria. QuietHere ( talk) 07:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
A List of ships sunk by kamikazes might satisfy WP:SALAT, but not a list of those that were just damaged. Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:06, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
A number of Allied ships were damaged by kamikaze attacks during World War II.... Either 1) the inclusion criteria needs to be broadened, or 2) the article needs to be renamed to something along the lines of
List of Allied ships damaged by kamikaze attack during World War II. I'd prefer #1, especially given that (I'd assume) the Venn diagram of the current article title and the current inclusion criteria is likely close to a circle, so throwing in the few exceptions is probably not going to explode the list. - Ljleppan ( talk) 09:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Cannot find coverage and doesn't appear to meet any other WP:MUSICBIO criteria aside from #6. QuietHere ( talk) 07:04, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 23:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Not notable; advertisement-like, bad sources (not RS). 多少 战场 龙 ( talk) 09:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Emirates Cup. Liz Read! Talk! 04:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Non-notable friendly "tournament" consisting of one game. Coverage is wp:routine. A bold redirect to Emirates Cup was reverted, but would also be reasonable. Alyo ( chat· edits) 04:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep and turn into a disambiguation page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
This is a poor excuse for WP:DICTDEF, mixed with a poor excude for a disambig. Nothing here suggests this meets WP:GNG as a notable term. Delete or redirect to Author? Or maybe cross wiki redirect to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/auctor ? PS. Category:Latin words and phrases could use a review for similar cases of DICTDEF. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 06:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Unable to find any significant coverage in independent RS of this individual or his books. ( t · c) buidhe 03:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 03:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Reviewed through NPP. No indication of notability. There are no independent reliable sources cited in the article and I was unable to find any though WP:BEFORE. Spicy ( talk) 03:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. ✗ plicit 03:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Article about former footballer which fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Castillejos had a short-lived professional career and had less of an impact than his more famous brother. The only online English and Spanish-language coverage is trivial, including passing mentions and entries in statistical databases. PROD was contested without providing any evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Jogurney ( talk) 03:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
No significant coverage in independent RS found after a before search ( t · c) buidhe 02:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. I don't believe a third relist would be helpful. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 18:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
This school fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. A Christian school that appears to have the typical run-of-the-mill school coverage (i.e. local newspapers writing about sports and graduation). I don't see how this subject meets our guidelines for notability. Thank you for assuming good faith. Missvain ( talk) 20:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
The scope of this guideline covers all groups of people organized together for a purpose with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, religions or sects, and sports teams.(Italics mine.) Here's the WP:GNG description of the notability requirement for significant coverage:
Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
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The Indiana Department of Education today congratulated the Indiana recipients of the U.S. Department of Education's Green Ribbon Schools Award. The awarded schools included Burris Laboratory School of Muncie and Bethany Christian Schools in Goshen...The award recognizes winners who excel in the areas of reducing environmental impact and costs, improving the health and wellness of schools, students, and staff, and providing an environmental education, incorporating Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM), civic skills, and green career pathways. Combined progress in all three areas serves as the basis for recognition.
— Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 20:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
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The result was delete. I'm sorry, Tb123, but the consensus here is to delete this article. Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
A few passing mentions as a goalie for a minor league goalie in regional newspapers. Does not have WP:SIGCOV or meet WP:GNG Hughesdarren ( talk) 02:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I’m not convinced that a deputy ambassador to Hungary is de facto notable. There is coverage around his death from covid, but I’m not sure we need a biography here. Uhooep ( talk) 01:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Foreign exchange market#Forward. Liz Read! Talk! 06:40, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Completely unsourced article since 2009. With how the article is formatted currently, it might be worth WP:TNT-ing it. LilianaUwU ( talk / contribs) 01:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:50, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
No sources are cited in-article and my own search has mostly turned up primary source descriptions of the event and team websites describing it, with no significant third-party coverage of any kind. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they) Talk to Me! 00:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sources are primary, which ofc does not contribute to either criteria. All medalists are also red-linked. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
enduring historical significance&
a significant lasting effectare noted for general news events, not necessarily sports ones. As most sport events will never meet standards as high as these, the argument seem irrelevant. CLalgo ( talk) 10:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result was Merged to Flag of Novorossiya by article creator. (non-admin closure) Tartan357 ( talk) 07:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Zero reliable sources. The only thing cited is the Kremlin website. Additionally, this should not have been created while Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kherson Oblast (Russia) is going strong. Tartan357 ( talk) 01:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
"You also, for AfD, have to claim that those sources do not and will not exist."No, that'd be WP:CRYSTAL. Knowing the future is not a prerequisite for AfD. For what it's worth, I did actually look to see if sources about the flag existed. I had no luck no matter how I phrased the search prompt. All I found was Wikimedia content and a Deviantart drawing. If you're arguing the article is notable because it's possible that sources could exist in the future, I'm afraid that's just not how WP:GNG works, and I ask that you consider retracting your many accusations of bad faith and accusations of partisan POV pushing. Vanilla Wizard 💙 05:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. I'm persuaded by the arguments that this is a separate subject from the biblical article. Liz Read! Talk! 06:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
As pointed out in the AfD for Abomination (biblical) by @ Ovinus: This is an almost exclusively POV- and OR-based article that should be reconstructed anew if we are to revive it. It should probably be folded in with Abomination (Bible) under a new title if we want to keep anything. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 23:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Abomination (Bible). Liz Read! Talk! 03:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Mess of original research that is just opinion and analysis of primary sources, and not suitable for an article. Of the sources, only the dictionary-type ones are reliable. Most are strange sources like "www.homosexualeunuchsandthebible.com". It's conceivable that this topic is notable, but I'm suggesting we blow it up. Ovinus ( talk) 22:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus and with a disagreement as to whether friendlys are notable, I don't see this discussion reaching a consensus. Star Mississippi 01:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Friendly tournament that is lacking notability. There is no wide coverage of it except for some Arabic websites. Sakiv ( talk) 23:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Ceol (compilation series). Likewise for the other album articles. Sandstein 09:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Was deprodded without improvement, comment was that others in the series are notable, but if you look at those articles, they are in just as bad shape as this one. Searches did not turn up anything to show this passes GNG. I think perhaps an overall list article for all the discs in this series might be the way to go. Onel5969 TT me 14:13, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The new sources provided appear to be database listings like IMDb, there are no reviews or any written content besides a cast list. Liz Read! Talk! 01:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Appears to fail WP:NFILM as no reviews found in a BEFORE. All current citations are databases or dead links. DonaldD23 talk to me 14:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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Sorry currently there are no critic reviews available for this movie. Anyone know if there was a critic review that was archived, because otherwise this is just a database entry, similar to this link provided- cast and song listings are routine? Per WP:NFILM,
To presume notability, reliable sources should have significant coverage. Examples of coverage insufficient to fully establish notability include newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews", plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, Time Out Film Guide, or the Internet Movie Database.These are IMHO routine databases that fail to demonstrate significant coverage that meets WP:GNG, or full critic reviews that might pass WP:NFILM. Further, I couldn't find evidence that high box office could pass GNG/NFILM, quantity doesn't indicate notability. Unfortunately, my WP:BEFORE search mainly found trivial mentions or an 1980s film of a similar name, which has more hits. Therefore, I appreciate your efforts in rescuing this article, but currently they are insufficient IMO. Again, many thanks, and let's agree to disagree, please ping me if you find more refs! VickKiang (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Birmingham New Street railway station. Article history will be left intact since there is substantial interest in merging content. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Clearly fails WP:GNG, one source is a map book, the other is a historical source. Any sourced content could be moved to Birmingham New Street railway station. Rly junctions generally do not merit their own articles. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 18:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Fort William railway station. Legoktm ( talk) 02:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Suggest sourced content be merged into the main station article. Clearly fails WP:GNG in itself, as the article relies on two books, both over 30 years old. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 17:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Consensus is the junction isn't notable. If someone needs the history to merge, or to create an article on the crash, happy to provide. Star Mississippi 01:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Relies entirely on two inline references (one from 8 years ago, the other 13), and clearly fails to meet WP:GNG, along with its 'sister article', Shields Junction. Rly junctions almost never warrant their own article. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 17:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 16:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I can find no evidence these terms are used in the scientific literature, or even evidence that "subsea" is ever used as a noun (apparently referring to part of a sea). If kept, they should be merged together under Subsea (waterbody) or something; if deleted, Subsea (technology) should be moved back to Subsea, which currently incorrectly redirects to the disambiguated title. Mdewman6 ( talk) 22:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude (talk) 11:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The only current speeches by President Biden with wikipedia pages are his inagural adresss, his first adresss to a Joint session of Congress, and his first State of the Union. All of these were important presidential remarks covered nationally. This speech, while talked about, was not different than any other speech than Biden gave, it was not covered nationally. [1] Esolo5002 ( talk) 22:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
To early. No notable enough Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 20:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Education in Norwalk, Connecticut. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 21:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Contested PROD; non-notable private pre-school whose only claim to fame were plans of buying and renovating the White Barn Theatre. No actual significant coverage of the school was found. Why? I Ask ( talk) 20:06, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. I discounted the sockpuppetry. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Not notable. Fails WP:POLITICIAN Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 19:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Keep. The page is important for young aspiring leaders — Preceding
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Astrology book author with 1 book in credit that is not a notable book either. Article only has non notable fringe theories from the author. Fails WP:NAUTHOR, The greek version of his bio was deleted 10 years ago. Venkat TL ( talk) 19:22, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. Ignoring the comments by accounts blocked for sockpuppetry, there is clear consensus to keep. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Not reliable article, not enough independent sources for WP:COMP Bigneeerman ( talk) 13:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
List of sources I've found. To be completed.
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The result was redirect to Sleeping Rough in Port-au-Prince. Legoktm ( talk) 02:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
I am the subject of this article (and can verify this) and do not wish to have this page. I do not believe that I meet the standards of a noteworthy person. Please consider deleting this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor0108004 ( talk • contribs)
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The result was delete. No evidence of SIGCOV has been provided. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
An article on a wartime Second Lieutenant and later schoolteacher. There are articles here on several of the subject's relatives, but notability is not inherited from them. Setting these aside, we have routine listings (Census, Kelly's Directory), which may also apply to the masonic listing volume, plus an Imperial War Museum "Lives of the First World War" timeline, and my searches are not finding better. The subject does not appear to meet biographical notability criteria, whether in his military, teaching or religious service. (Note that the previous AfD on a "Howard Johns" article was for a different person.) AllyD ( talk) 09:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The arguments to keep are quite weak; neither addresses the notability of this subject directly, and the one attempt below to provide WP:SIGCOV does not succeed. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Club plays in the Bahraini Premier League which are not fully-professional. Same goes for Al-Hala SC. It does not include any citations furthermore. Sakiv ( talk) 18:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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https://www.flashscore.info/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/al-ahli-manama/45471 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://int.soccerway.com/teams/bahrain/al-ahli-manama/3616/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.soccer24.com/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://oddspedia.com/football/teams/al-ahli-manama-9160 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.livescore.in/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.instagram.com/bahrainfa/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://twitter.com/BahrainFA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3AbahrainFA%7Ctwcon%5Es2 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://bfa.bh/team/al-ahli-sports-club/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://bfa.bh/regulations/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://bfa.bh/blog/page/3/ | ![]() |
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:13, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Was on the Edmonton Eskimos for two months in the 2009 offseason ( signed april 24, released june 12), but never played. There is very little coverage of him, with the most in-depth article I could find (besides a press release by one of his teams) being a single sentence long, and as a result he fails WP:GNG. If it still existed, he would have failed NGRIDIRON as well. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 18:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 17:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Contested PROD (no rationale). Unable to find proper independent coverage through Google Search for full name and without middle name. Ovinus ( talk) 17:53, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 17:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Notability is under question per WP:GNG and anybio. Too many cut-n-paste phrases from a corporate website Driodr ( talk) 17:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Spam with no RS Driodr ( talk) 16:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 17:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Article about footballer which fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Weyer is a semi-pro with just one international match. The only online English-, French-, German- or Luxembourgish-language coverage is trivial, including transfer announcements and entries in statistical databases. PROD was contested without providing any evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Jogurney ( talk) 16:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 17:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I happened to find this today, marked for zero citations since 2014 (but actually in existence since 2007), so I did a fair few web searches trying to find e.g. 'slavica 1987 igić -wiki', and got practically nothing (the name also coincides with a relatively popular given name). I don't think a separate article is warranted for an apparent scholarly work that has so little scholarly or real-world coverage. The author's article also has a bunch of cleanup tags... Joy [shallot] ( talk) 16:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
In accordance with WP:POLITICIAN, being an unelected candidate doesn't equate to notability. - Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 14:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was speedy delete. CSD G7, Liz Read! Talk! 05:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Refbombed article with patchy sourcing (at best), profiling YouTuber and stood up on mostly non-RS references, created by SPA. Take out social, passing mentions, usage of his Sandy coverage by MSM and links to his own platform and you fail WP:GNG with brio. NOTE now at John Mateer (filmmaker) Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
{{hidden | headerstyle = background: #ccccff; font-size: 110%; | header = Really long rationale by the article creator | content =:Okay. If you have to say “take out this, this & this and it would be subject to deletion” … isn’t that you blatantly stating that it is not subject to deletion? Category for “YouTuber” was removed. The subject of the article is listed as a filmmaker. He has been featured in films as well as worked as the cinematographer on others. I referenced his film production company that he started to further explain.
I went on to read WP:SPA and totally get what you are saying. I didn’t think about that and I will broaden my focus immediately. I didn’t realize how that could come across. Apologies. — Preceding
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For the SPA comment, I give you that. It was just how I wanted to go about my first article. I was going to make it, have it reviewed, learn more about the process and then go on to create more. I apologize if this seem like a SPA, but I had only begun editing the page on the 29th of September. I have a list of other topics I want to write about. I specifically write about the New York film scene because I live in New York myself and am aware of these people. John Mateer stood out for his bizarre story. There’s still so much more to include. I apologize for the heavy defense. I just have been working so hard on it, it took me by suripise. I requested a peer edit and now it’s getting trashed. I would’ve loved feedback. This is just disheartening.
I’ll give it my best though:
WP:BASIC & WP:NBASIC state the following: “People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.”
This is a list I could compile for you now to show you that the subject indeed meets the criteria, and that this nomination should be revoked in favor for an editing suggestion.
"The Fordham Ram" (USA), 18 January 2021, by: Jaclyn Weiner, "Updating Gay Hate Crime Legislation"
"MediaUpdate.co.za" (South Africa), 14 November 2012, "Superstorm New York: What Really Happened"
"PRNewswire" (USA), 12 November 2012, "National Geographic Channel To Air First In-Depth Cable Documentary On Wrath And Destruction Of Hurricane Sandy In Superstorm 2012"
"Philly Voice" (USA), 15 November 2019, by: Daniel Craig, "Man says he was beaten by PSU fraternity member because he's gay"
"Opposing Views" (USA), 8 March 2018, by: Amanda Andrade-Rhoades, "'Don't Let A Frat Guy Know That You're Gay': Teen Allegedly Beaten Up At Penn State"
"Onward State" (USA), 15 October 2015, by: Megan Fleming, "Penn State Altoona Student Charged Following Alleged Homophobic Assault"
"StateCollege.com" (USA), 15 October 2015, by: Zach Berger, "Penn State Student Charged in Alleged Anti-Gay Assault"
"The Underground" (USA), 12 October 2015, by: Adam Tidball, "Mateer's Assault and Homophobia at Penn State"
"Seventeen" (USA), 8 October 2015, by: Elizabeth Denton, "Gay Teen Brutally Attacked Outside a Penn State Frat House"
"Total Frat Move" (USA), 8 October 2015, by: Harrison Lee, "Viral Tweet Accuses PSU Fraternity Member Of Beating Guy Up For Being Gay, Police Find Suspect Isn't Actually In Fraternity"
"Logo TV" (USA), 7 October 2015, by: Matthew Tharrett, "GAY TEEN VICIOUSLY BEATEN AT PENN STATE AFTER REVEALING HE IS GAY"
"Teen Vogue" (USA), 7 October 2015, by: Emma Sarran Webster, "This Teen Was Beaten Outside a Penn State Frat House After Revealing That He's Gay"
"Gay Star News" (USA), 7 October 2015, "Gay college student visiting Penn State comes out outside fraternity house, gets beaten"
"COED" (USA), 7 October 2015, by: Alexa Lyons, "Teen Claims PSU Student Assaulted Him For Being Gay"
"Metro" (USA), 6 October 2015, by: Matthew Lee, "Man claims he was gay bashed by Penn State frat guy"
"NY Daily News" (USA), 6 October 2015, by: Melissa Chan, "Long Island teen claims Penn State fraternity member beat him for being gay: 'Don't let a frat guy know that you're gay'"
"Edge" (USA), 6 October 2015, "NY Teen Says Penn State Frat Member Beat Him Over Sexuality"
"Towleroad" (USA), 6 October 2015, by: Ande Towle, "Police Investigating Alleged Anti-Gay Assault of Man at Penn State University"
"Pink News" (UK), 6 October 2015, by: JOSEPH MCCORMICK, "Police investigate alleged assault on college teen by 'frat member'"
"Fox 5 New York" (USA), 5 October 2015, "Police investigate possible anti-gay beating"
"The Tab" (USA), 5 October 2015, "Gay man allegedly beaten in North Burrowes assault"
"Inside Edition" (USA), 4 October 2015, by: IE Staff, "Police Investigate After Teen Says He Was Assaulted at Penn State University For Being Gay"
"Channel Guide Magazine" (USA), 16 June 2013, by: Barb Oates, "Long Island Medium Season 4 recap of "Bouffants and Bingo""
"CBS 6" (USA), 2 November 2012, by: Sandi Cauley, "Trees fall in NY neighborhood as Sandy comes ashore"
"Forbes" (USA), 2 November 2012, by: Kashmir Hill, "Sandy Through The Eyes of YouTube and a Drone: Falling Trees, Fires and Flooding"
"CNET" (USA), 31 October 2012, by: Chris Matyszczyk, "Sandy video: Falling trees. Fire. 'Apocalypse'"
"Aristegui Noticias" (Mexico), 31 October 2012, "'Frankenstorm' se llevó hasta los árboles en EU"
"Pirman" (Spain), 31 October 2012, "Esto es el 'Apocalipsis'. Sandy videos: Caída de árboles. Fuego. Olas gigantes."
"Klix" (Bosnia and Herzegovina), 30 October 2012, "Pogledajte s kakvom lakocom uragan Sandy cupa drvece"
"BostInno" (USA), 30 October 2012, by: Sam Dwyer, "'Hurricane Sandy 3 Trees Fall and Fire' Becomes Next Double Rainbow Guy"
"Mashable" (USA), 30 October 2012, by: Stephanie Haberman, "'This Is the Apocalypse' Video Shows Sandy Destruction"
4theloveofallthings ( talk) 15:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: You are linking to search results for “John Thomas Mateer”.. as clear in his page on IMDb, most of — if not ALL of his last titles are credited “John Mateer.”
It has his included his middle name in his IMDb, and the page John Mateer was already taken, so I went with middle name included. If you are looking for sources while searching for “John Thomas Mateer,” you are unlikely to find the same amount of information as you would if you typed in “John Mateer” followed by whatever you want to know.
Just wanted to share this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4theloveofallthings ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
https://edoc.ub.uni-muenchen.de/21845/1/Fuchs_Tanja.pdf (Pages 166-168) scholarly source titled “Violence against Lesbians, Gays and Bisexuals - Social Media Activism in the Obama Era in the Light of Johan Galtung’s Violence Triangle”
Try that instead for the Penn State situation. That looks heavily sourced to me.
Included sources to articles by Teen Vogue, Philly Voice, NY Daily News, Inside Edition and others speaking about Mateer's viral assault.
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/gay-teen-assaulted-outside-frat-penn-state
For the Hurricane Sandy Viral Video. The documentary I included in a source not only opens by calling MATEER’S video “world famous,” but he stars start to finish in the entire thing.
I included sources for the Hurricane Sandy event to televised interviews of Mateer with Katie Couric over the matter, I put a source from FORBES talking about MATEER’S footage.
Try this instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVQPqUbjkJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWnBX_x2Md4 (this is the Weather Channels official YouTube channel)
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/police-investigate-possible-anti-gay-beating — Preceding
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I am confused because with the exception of the scholarly source, which I will add, all of these were cited.
Forbes. Fox News. ABC. The Weather Channel. Teen Vogue. NY Daily News.
If these aren’t strong enough of sources, I am left very confused what the standard for a source is.
Perhaps tagging the article with a warning to clean up the sources and edit it better would’ve been suffice? I disagree wholeheartedly with the notion that this article should be deleted. At the most, I’d say change the title to “John Mateer (filmmaker).” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4theloveofallthings ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
I apologize for my mistake with the AfD page. I’m still learning. I was struggling to figure out how to sign and the bot was signing it for me. I figured that was okay.
4theloveofallthings ( talk) 16:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude (talk) 11:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Seemingly WP:NN author failing each element of WP:AUTHOR. While some books have been "shortlisted" for awards that she did not win, it appears she won a minor award, the Sharp Book History award for one book. [14]
This article was created and heavily edited by the subject.
Toddst1 ( talk) 13:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude (talk) 11:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Indian Street Metal single by bluelinked Bloodywood, this single is not notable. No chart placing, no gold discs, claim of views uncited (and in any case doesn't count towards notability), coverage is mix of passing mentions, YouTube 'reaction' or articles about the band - the one article all about the single is an interview. No evidence of lasting impact. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NSINGLE. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 13:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
WP:NOTNEWS. Nothing really happened, which made the news the day it didn't happen, but has no lasting impact. Fram ( talk) 13:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was speedy delete. Ged UK 11:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Non notable businessesman. Reads like a CV. Coriannakox ( talk) 10:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Cricket at the 1900 Summer Olympics#Medalists. Star Mississippi 01:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC) ETA and delete H. Terry redirect due to the redirection of the article with all of the cricketer's names. Thanks for flagging my omission. Star Mississippi 12:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Non-notable cricketer, does not meet WP:GNG or the revised version of WP:NOLY, while he did win a medal there were only two teams competing in the event. A search brought up nothing outside of directory listings. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 10:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 08:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Article with no references. Could not find any news (or social media, or anything really) coverage whatsoever and the website hasn't been updated for a couple of years. Fails WP:GNG. Blue Edits ( talk) 09:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 08:38, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG, the only coverage available comes from primary sources and fluff pieces in clearly unreliable tourism websites. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 09:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 08:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
This is, as far as I can tell, the regular Pokémon Journeys: The Series series, but for India it is shown on a youtube channel? No idea why this needs a separate article, and the disambiguator makes it an unlikely search term so a redirect seems like a bad idea as well. We don't create separate articles for every language a TV series is dubbed in. Fram ( talk) 07:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Also nominated for deletion for same reasons: Pokémon the Series: XY (YouTube). Fram ( talk) 07:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Does not appear to meet any WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG criteria. QuietHere ( talk) 07:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Adrenaline Mob. Liz Read! Talk! 08:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Does not appear to meet any WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG criteria. QuietHere ( talk) 07:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
A List of ships sunk by kamikazes might satisfy WP:SALAT, but not a list of those that were just damaged. Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:06, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
A number of Allied ships were damaged by kamikaze attacks during World War II.... Either 1) the inclusion criteria needs to be broadened, or 2) the article needs to be renamed to something along the lines of
List of Allied ships damaged by kamikaze attack during World War II. I'd prefer #1, especially given that (I'd assume) the Venn diagram of the current article title and the current inclusion criteria is likely close to a circle, so throwing in the few exceptions is probably not going to explode the list. - Ljleppan ( talk) 09:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Cannot find coverage and doesn't appear to meet any other WP:MUSICBIO criteria aside from #6. QuietHere ( talk) 07:04, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 23:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Not notable; advertisement-like, bad sources (not RS). 多少 战场 龙 ( talk) 09:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Emirates Cup. Liz Read! Talk! 04:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Non-notable friendly "tournament" consisting of one game. Coverage is wp:routine. A bold redirect to Emirates Cup was reverted, but would also be reasonable. Alyo ( chat· edits) 04:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep and turn into a disambiguation page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
This is a poor excuse for WP:DICTDEF, mixed with a poor excude for a disambig. Nothing here suggests this meets WP:GNG as a notable term. Delete or redirect to Author? Or maybe cross wiki redirect to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/auctor ? PS. Category:Latin words and phrases could use a review for similar cases of DICTDEF. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 06:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Unable to find any significant coverage in independent RS of this individual or his books. ( t · c) buidhe 03:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 03:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Reviewed through NPP. No indication of notability. There are no independent reliable sources cited in the article and I was unable to find any though WP:BEFORE. Spicy ( talk) 03:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. ✗ plicit 03:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Article about former footballer which fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Castillejos had a short-lived professional career and had less of an impact than his more famous brother. The only online English and Spanish-language coverage is trivial, including passing mentions and entries in statistical databases. PROD was contested without providing any evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Jogurney ( talk) 03:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
No significant coverage in independent RS found after a before search ( t · c) buidhe 02:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. I don't believe a third relist would be helpful. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 18:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
This school fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. A Christian school that appears to have the typical run-of-the-mill school coverage (i.e. local newspapers writing about sports and graduation). I don't see how this subject meets our guidelines for notability. Thank you for assuming good faith. Missvain ( talk) 20:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
The scope of this guideline covers all groups of people organized together for a purpose with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, religions or sects, and sports teams.(Italics mine.) Here's the WP:GNG description of the notability requirement for significant coverage:
Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
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The Indiana Department of Education today congratulated the Indiana recipients of the U.S. Department of Education's Green Ribbon Schools Award. The awarded schools included Burris Laboratory School of Muncie and Bethany Christian Schools in Goshen...The award recognizes winners who excel in the areas of reducing environmental impact and costs, improving the health and wellness of schools, students, and staff, and providing an environmental education, incorporating Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM), civic skills, and green career pathways. Combined progress in all three areas serves as the basis for recognition.
— Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 20:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
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The result was delete. I'm sorry, Tb123, but the consensus here is to delete this article. Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
A few passing mentions as a goalie for a minor league goalie in regional newspapers. Does not have WP:SIGCOV or meet WP:GNG Hughesdarren ( talk) 02:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I’m not convinced that a deputy ambassador to Hungary is de facto notable. There is coverage around his death from covid, but I’m not sure we need a biography here. Uhooep ( talk) 01:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Foreign exchange market#Forward. Liz Read! Talk! 06:40, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Completely unsourced article since 2009. With how the article is formatted currently, it might be worth WP:TNT-ing it. LilianaUwU ( talk / contribs) 01:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:50, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
No sources are cited in-article and my own search has mostly turned up primary source descriptions of the event and team websites describing it, with no significant third-party coverage of any kind. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they) Talk to Me! 00:27, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sources are primary, which ofc does not contribute to either criteria. All medalists are also red-linked. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
enduring historical significance&
a significant lasting effectare noted for general news events, not necessarily sports ones. As most sport events will never meet standards as high as these, the argument seem irrelevant. CLalgo ( talk) 10:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result was Merged to Flag of Novorossiya by article creator. (non-admin closure) Tartan357 ( talk) 07:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Zero reliable sources. The only thing cited is the Kremlin website. Additionally, this should not have been created while Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kherson Oblast (Russia) is going strong. Tartan357 ( talk) 01:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
"You also, for AfD, have to claim that those sources do not and will not exist."No, that'd be WP:CRYSTAL. Knowing the future is not a prerequisite for AfD. For what it's worth, I did actually look to see if sources about the flag existed. I had no luck no matter how I phrased the search prompt. All I found was Wikimedia content and a Deviantart drawing. If you're arguing the article is notable because it's possible that sources could exist in the future, I'm afraid that's just not how WP:GNG works, and I ask that you consider retracting your many accusations of bad faith and accusations of partisan POV pushing. Vanilla Wizard 💙 05:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The result was keep. I'm persuaded by the arguments that this is a separate subject from the biblical article. Liz Read! Talk! 06:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
As pointed out in the AfD for Abomination (biblical) by @ Ovinus: This is an almost exclusively POV- and OR-based article that should be reconstructed anew if we are to revive it. It should probably be folded in with Abomination (Bible) under a new title if we want to keep anything. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 23:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Abomination (Bible). Liz Read! Talk! 03:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Mess of original research that is just opinion and analysis of primary sources, and not suitable for an article. Of the sources, only the dictionary-type ones are reliable. Most are strange sources like "www.homosexualeunuchsandthebible.com". It's conceivable that this topic is notable, but I'm suggesting we blow it up. Ovinus ( talk) 22:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus and with a disagreement as to whether friendlys are notable, I don't see this discussion reaching a consensus. Star Mississippi 01:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Friendly tournament that is lacking notability. There is no wide coverage of it except for some Arabic websites. Sakiv ( talk) 23:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Ceol (compilation series). Likewise for the other album articles. Sandstein 09:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Was deprodded without improvement, comment was that others in the series are notable, but if you look at those articles, they are in just as bad shape as this one. Searches did not turn up anything to show this passes GNG. I think perhaps an overall list article for all the discs in this series might be the way to go. Onel5969 TT me 14:13, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The new sources provided appear to be database listings like IMDb, there are no reviews or any written content besides a cast list. Liz Read! Talk! 01:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Appears to fail WP:NFILM as no reviews found in a BEFORE. All current citations are databases or dead links. DonaldD23 talk to me 14:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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Sorry currently there are no critic reviews available for this movie. Anyone know if there was a critic review that was archived, because otherwise this is just a database entry, similar to this link provided- cast and song listings are routine? Per WP:NFILM,
To presume notability, reliable sources should have significant coverage. Examples of coverage insufficient to fully establish notability include newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews", plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, Time Out Film Guide, or the Internet Movie Database.These are IMHO routine databases that fail to demonstrate significant coverage that meets WP:GNG, or full critic reviews that might pass WP:NFILM. Further, I couldn't find evidence that high box office could pass GNG/NFILM, quantity doesn't indicate notability. Unfortunately, my WP:BEFORE search mainly found trivial mentions or an 1980s film of a similar name, which has more hits. Therefore, I appreciate your efforts in rescuing this article, but currently they are insufficient IMO. Again, many thanks, and let's agree to disagree, please ping me if you find more refs! VickKiang (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)