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The result was redirect to Adelaide Plains Football League. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 14:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hamley Bridge Football Club

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I don't know if there is a clearcut answer for these kinds of village-level clubs when balancing "quality/merit" of the article subject against potential coverage is village newspapers, but the main print source that is used in this article and other village football clubs is the self-published book by Peter Lines. Otherwise there are a few score results to village newspapers. This is the local football club in a village ( Hamley Bridge) of 700 people, which plays against the nearby villages. According to the Australian census, males between 15-35 are 12% of the population, so this estimates to around 80 prime-aged people who could realistically play in this team. We would never consider having articles for random high school sports teams (sporting merit would not be high enough), when most high schools have 1000 or so prime-aged students. Should we have articles on the village sports team just because there are weekly results in the village newspaper? I don't think we should Bumbubookworm ( talk) 23:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Editors have achieved a rough consensus against deletion. (non-admin closure) — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 04:38, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Cooper Hoffman

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Actor who does not satisfy acting notability or general notability. Article has been created both in draft space and in article space, which is commonly done to game the system by making it impossible to move the article into draft space. It does not prevent nominating the article for deletion.

The subject only has one listed major role, and that is deficient with respect to acting notability in two respects. First, multiple major roles are required. Second, the film has not yet been released. A review of the references shows that they are puff pieces stating that the movie is being made and that the trailer has been released.

Reference Number Reference Comments Independent Significant Reliable Secondary
1 Newsweek A puff piece about Hoffman Yes No No. See WP:NEWSWEEK.
2 Hollywood Reporter Announcement of casting Yes No Yes Yes
3 AV Club Announcement of trailer Not really No
4 People magazine Announcement of trailer Not really No Yes No
5 CNN Entertainment Announcement of trailer Not really No No
6 Yahoo A promotional piece Not really No No


The draft can be left in draft space. He will probably be notable soon enough, but it is still too soon. The only problem with redirecting the article to the film is that the film shouldn't have an article yet either. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Under what premise should the film not have an article? It's a major motion picture with an objectively notable cast, crew and director? CaffeinAddict ( talk) 00:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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I've removed this deletion nonsense per WP:IAR. Come on, people. This is a speedy keep. Many mainstream sources, obvious notability. The nomination is ridiculous and tendentious. Please try to be constructive contributors to the encyclopedia, and try to expand the article instead of vandalizing the project. - Wikidemon ( talk) 04:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply

That's not how this works. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 05:12, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I know exactly how it works, namely the way we collectively decide it works. That is often by reversing process crap instead of going through undue effort. Apparently, there are now cleanup bots restoring bad noms so the next step is a speedy keep and admonishing the nominator to be more careful. [1]
Comment I'm always exhausted to note this, but we have no deadline on how and when an article should be created. I'd rather have a great article formed over time by consensus than a poor one which is basically an Entertainment Tonight trailer summary screaming 'look it's that guy's...son!' like we have now. The Hollywood press is not a teacher requiring us to have 2,000 words about a subject by November 26 or they'll fail us. Nate • ( chatter) 20:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Thepharoah17 ( talk) 21:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Erica Johnson

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Fails WP:NJOURN. Lacks notability and sources. Only source I can find is CBC. Thepharoah17 ( talk) 22:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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While the CBC is a reliable source in principle, you can never, ever stake any journalist's notability on content self-published by her own employer, such as her staff profile or the outlet's own announcements of its own staffing or programming changes. You always need coverage about her in independent sources, namely media outlets that don't employ her. Bearcat ( talk) 14:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Was poorly sourced. Did some digging and added citations for the awards. At its current form, I think the subject passes WP:JOURNALIST: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews;"-- WomenProj ( talk) 18:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep I have found more sources related to awards, or at least nominations, e.g. 1, 2, and there is more biographical and career information that could be added from the Georgia Straight article. Per WP:JOURNALIST#4, the frequency and scale of the award nominations and wins seem like sufficient "significant critical attention", or per #1, that she is sufficiently "regarded as an important figure" to support a standalone article. Beccaynr ( talk) 19:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC) update !vote, per Bearcat - Beccaynr ( talk) 15:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. To be fair, I do see the problem as of the time of nomination, because the article was written semi-advertorially and unsourced — but she (a) actually does have a nationalized notability claim as a past host of a national network show on CBC Television, and even more importantly Gemini Award and/or Canadian Screen Award nominations that nail notability to the wall in and of themselves, and (b) actually does have some legitimate sources that have been added to the article since this discussion was initiated. Bearcat ( talk) 14:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Iftakar Uddin Emon

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Not a notable subject. Most sourcing right now is Apple Music and Spotify. Fails all of WP:MUSICBIO, and WP:GNG. Sourcing is not reliable, independent, or secondary. WP:GOOGLETEST gives various song links, but no reliable sources. WhoAteMyButter ( 📨talk│ 📝contribs) 22:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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This is a real musical artist article. But there no more source. But maxtermedia and topnewsint24 is a popular news portal. Articel owner added the source using this news portal. So delete tag should be removed.

Yes. So give me more time to improve this article. Remove delete tag.

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hitesh Soni and Associates, Law Firm

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Non notable law firm that uses its own website and Quora entries as references. Does not meet GNG nor WP:ORGCRIT. WP:BEFORE does not return any notability. Whiteguru ( talk) 21:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Mccapra ( talk) It doesn't make any sense to put the article for speedy deletion. The issues can be fixed as well as this is article about reliable firm, as you can check its notability. the article is also open for other to fix it. Kalim0135 ( talk) 23:15, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Whiteguru ( talk) The firm is associated with Hitesh C. Soni who is much notable for the drama serial case Ishq subhan Allah, you can check his notaility as well as his frim. The both articles are stub so its open to others to help the articles. Kalim0135 ( talk) 23:20, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep, per WP:NONPROFIT. BD2412 T 05:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

The Dawood Foundation

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Article is well REFBOMBED. Sources are routine and mostly unreliable. Fails WP:GNG Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 21:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Closing on behalf of the nominator who has withdrawn. Note that I am involved, so will undo this close on request. Spinning Spark 11:41, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Intelligent falling

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WP:Notability. The sources are a The Onion article, two newsgroup posts, and a comic. A quick web search finds a brief mention in The Guardian, a post by an unnamed author on ScienceBlog.com, and a brief mention in Slate. I don't personally doubt that this was at least a minor phenomenon in the early 2000s, but I question that this meets the WP:SIGCOV guideline. MarshallKe ( talk) 21:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) -- Xurizuri ( talk) 08:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Edward S. Reed

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As far as I can figure out, doesn't meet any of WP:NACADEMIC or general biography notability. Xurizuri ( talk) 20:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply


  • Comment He seems to be an authority in the field of Ecological Psychology the scientific study of perception-action from a non-functionalism approach. Looks like he wrote quite a few books and also see Worldcat. Oxford University lists one of his Ecological Psychology books and Yale University Press published one. With that said, I am not sure we can create out a biography together for an article. Lightburst ( talk) 20:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Anyone who wants to create a redirect from this title to Princess Beatrice or a subsection thereof is welcome to do so, though the existing redirect from the full name may be thought sufficient. Deor ( talk) 22:13, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Princess Beatrice's daughter

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Per precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/August Brooksbank: article on a minor who has no notability independent from her mother. DrKay ( talk) 20:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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That's not enough. Some journalists speculating about what a baby's name might be fails WP:GNG because (1) it's only speculation, and (2) it's a completely trivial matter, an unnamed baby's future name is nothing. Delete. Richard75 ( talk) 15:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and then redirect her name to her mother's page (once it has been announced). The child of a minor royal who is not expected to be elevated to a higher rank. She has the same level of notability as Princess Eugenie's son August Brooksbank. Keivan.f Talk 02:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I think this is the correct approach, looking through the Current Line of Succcession, none of the great-grandchildren minor royals have their own Wikipedia. ScottishNardualElf ( talk) 10:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I would say delete (possibly with a redirect to her mother once the name is known as suggested). Too far off the direct line of succession to be significant and as an infant does not have notability in her own right. As a great-grandchild of a monarch she may well meet notability in the future, but not now. Dunarc ( talk) 20:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The current heir to the throne has long-held aims to reduce the royal family when he becomes king, meaning that this child won't even have a hereditary ceremonial role. [5] Recreate in 20 years when she's won a reality show or been given a cushy corporate post. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 14:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I would propose to delete the articles of the Sussex Children too. There should only be an article on newborn royals if they are princes/princesses and therefore significant members of the royal familiy or if they bear some notability themeself, not only in connection to their parents. (This normally would be years later like inheritence of a substantive title, archiving something on their own or taking part in "the firm" somehow.) We do not need articles for individuals only listing their name, explaining which title they may use and which are actually used and listing some public appearance together with their parents. This should be in the articles of the parents and a more general on titles in the royal family. We should keep redirects to the more significant parent. Theoreticalmawi ( talk) 13:21, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Merge Should be redirected to Sienna Mapelli Mozzi which redirects to Princess Beatrice Moondragon21 ( talk) 18:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC
  • Keep Sienna outranks the children of the Earl of St Andrews and they all have wikipedia page, she is a direct descendant of Elizabeth II and the late Duke of Edinburgh and deserves her own wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.199.149 ( talk) 18:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Because they are adults and have established notability through other ways, rather than just being born. Unlike the children of William and Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie's children will never become grandchildren of a monarch, and they are not high up in the line of succession to the throne either. Keivan.f Talk 18:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 14:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Wildlife Trust of India

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Article has existed since 2006 (and the charity organisation has existed since 1998), yet most mentions I can find are passing at best. Fails WP:NONPROFIT. Article has no references, and until recently was primarily promotional cruft. ~ TNT (she/they • talk) 18:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply

This is the best potential source I could find, and that's certainly not "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization" ~ TNT (she/they • talk) 18:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment. Here's an article about one of its projects, although the organization name isn't in the lede. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Passes WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. A WP:BEFORE was not competently done by the nominator. There is lots of significant coverage in google books (note use WTI as well as full name to search within each individual book for more prose hits of relevance as text often uses WTI in sentences after identifying the organization by full name). Here are just a few examples: [6] (pages 172-175), [7] (pages 30, 41, 51, 61, 62, 65, 71, 73, 74, 75, 85, 86, 92, 98, 216; look for WTI in text) [8] (page 305 has an in-depth overview of the organization; also passing mentions which verify it as a major organization on pages 172 and 175), [9] (pages 455, 481, and 495) [10] (page 84), [11] (page 315), etc. 4meter4 ( talk) 21:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • 4meter4's sources are not convincing. I looked at the first few, passing mentions, appearance in bibliographies, addresses and the like. Do any of them have any actual in-depth discussion of the organisation? Spinning Spark 22:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Spinningspark, did you actually search inside as instructed above using both Wildlife Trust of India and WTI? The organization is mentioned in multiple locations inside most of these books on multiple pages. Sometimes indepth and sometimes in passing depending on the passage. None of the books only list the organization in just the bibliography, so if you didn't carefully search and go to multiple pages you didn't check the sources properly. 4meter4 ( talk) 23:30, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
So you are claiming that all those sources have significant coverage? Let's start with the first one. On which page is this significant coverage? Can you quote any of it? As far as I can see there is only a single sentence on p. 175 "Wildlife Trust of India continues to work toward adding to the scientific understanding of whale sharks and their habits along the Gujarat coastline" which is vague to the point of meaningless even if it were significant which it is not. Nothing that could be used to add to the article. Please don't tell people to search. You need to point out where this significant coverage actually is. Just getting a bunch of hits for the term is not enough. Spinning Spark 00:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Obviously you didn't search properly as there are four mentions in that book alone which should appear in the page search at the top. Regardless, the entire section begins at the bottom of page 172 and continues through to page 175 and is about the WTI save the shark campaign across those four pages. Clearly you didn't read what was earlier for context or you would have seen that. 4meter4 ( talk) 00:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Spinningspark, I added page numbers to help you and others. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 01:12, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I did search properly and found all four of the mentions. One of them is the sentence I quoted, two of them are bibliographic references, and one is a list of organisations involved in the Save the Whale Shark Campaign. The WTI is in that list along with International Fund for Animal Welfare, TATA Chemicals, and Gujarat Forest Department. That's just a passing mention. The section you refer to on pages 172–175 is not about the WTI, it's about the whale shark campaign. The only place the WTI even gets mentioned is the one sentence I quoted. That just doesn't do it for notability. Listing every passing mention is not convincing me. Please answer my question of where you found the WTI organisation discussed in detail. Spinning Spark 06:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete as WP:CSD#G5. ✗ plicit 12:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Jake Ejercito

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Jake Ejercito

Actor who does not satisfy general notability or acting notability. Article was created as draft, then declined by AFC reviewer, then moved to article space by author.

None of the three roles listed in the filmography are described as major roles in their own Wikipedia articles.

Role Major ? Comments
Sunday Noontime Live No Listed fifth as host
ASAP No Not found in list of performers
Marry Me, Marry You No Listed as a supporting role

A check of the references shows that most of them are simply announcements that he has signed a contract with the largest agency in the Philippines. None of them come close to qualifying as significant coverage for general notability.

Reference Number Reference Comments Independent Significant Reliable Secondary
1 ABS-CBN.COM Appears to be a photo gallery No No No
2 ABS-CBN.COM News Announcement of contract with agency No No No
3 ABS-CBN.COM News Another announcement of signing contract with agency No No No
4 PEP-PH.COM Another story about signing contract with agency No No No
5 Yahoo Yet another story about signing contract with Star Magic agency No No No
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You should be requesting an unblock from your original account. Using an additional account to bypass your block is called 'sockpuppetry' and will count against you. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Aleksandar Lekso Saičić

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Very dodgy sourcing for a person who may have one claim to fame. Its hard to tell as it also very badly written. Slatersteven ( talk) 17:17, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. There is a clear consensus that the subject is sufficiently notable relative to the time period from which she came. BD2412 T 05:24, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:NOTGENEALOGY. I can find nothing worthwhile in secondary sources other than confirmation of the name, and the article is just a restatement of genealogical trivia already covered elsewhere. Avilich ( talk) 02:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I'm not seeing here any demonstration of how 'she does have importance' or any guideline-based reason for keeping, just some drive-by copycatting of Peterkingiron's vote, which itself only calls for ignoring WP:NOTGENEALOGY without any reason. The subject here supposedly died before Trajan became emperor, meaning she was never part of the imperial family, so it's not like she gets automatic notability like some members of royal families. Avilich ( talk) 22:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
If you study my contributions you will see I don't do "drive-by copycat" votes and I think you need to get some perspective on this matter. It is a discussion among interested editors, not a WP:SOAPBOX for you to climb onto and air your grievances against anyone who disagrees with you. My comment was that I agree with Peter because I consider the subject to have importance in Roman history. As for WP:NOTGENEALOGY, that is inapplicable here because it says: "Family histories should be presented only where appropriate to support the reader's understanding of a notable topic". That would apply to articles like Trajan or Hadrian if someone should add a substantial piece about Ulpia to those – it does not apply here because most of the available information about Ulpia concerns her relationships. You say Ulpia wasn't a patrician and was never a member of the imperial family. She was Hadrian's grandmother and Trajan's aunt. As Spinningspark has rightly pointed out, a significant person in the ancient world must not be treated in the same way as some 21st century "celeb" about whom little is known. Ulpia's importance in Roman history is her family relationship to important people and she meets not only WP:GNG but also WP:COMMONSENSE. You don't build an encyclopaedia by deleting information about notable people who lived in places and times about which relatively little is known. No Great Shaker ( talk) 08:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • You don't build an encyclopedia by adding content indiscriminately, down to the smallest of trivia about someone's distant relative. Someone's importance in history is measured by coverage in historical sources, not by retrojecting a conjectural 'celeb' status to someone in the past. Relatives of 'celebs' are usually notable because their relationship already causes them to have coverage anyway. The only thing that matters is sources, how much you think is enough doesn't matter because you have none. Avilich ( talk) 15:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Last time I looked, the article cited eight sources with a direct quote about Ulpia in each citation. The article has not been created discriminately, unlike this AfD. You create an encyclopaedia using sources (eight of them so far in this article) and WP:COMMONSENSE. No Great Shaker ( talk) 16:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Don't be purposely obtuse, I already told you that sources go no further than restating family relationships and name, none of which establishes notability. And whoever added these sources did not think to look carefully (it's no more than a WP:NOTEBOMB if we're being honest), since apparently at least one of them is about a different person. Avilich ( talk) 16:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I'm not at all interested in what you may have "already told me". You are not an editor that deserves respect. That much is clear from a cursory glance at your talk page. You are clearly obsessed with notability but let me remind you that the second G in GNG means guideline. As I have already told you, editors must use WP:COMMONSENSE and WP:EDITDISC instead of blindly following this rule and that rule and the other rule. As it says in WP:COMMONSENSE: "Why isn't 'use common sense' an official policy? It doesn't need to be; as a fundamental principle, it is above any policy". You do not build an encyclopaedia by deleting information about topics that are so obviously useful. You build an encyclopaedia by developing articles about topics that readers may find useful – a student of Roman history would certainly find Ulpia's article useful. I have nothing further to say here. No Great Shaker ( talk) 20:24, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
WP:ITSUSEFUL, WP:ILIKEIT... Avilich ( talk) 22:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Cobbling together an article from weak sources for a person from the ancient world is an entirely different matter from doing that for a modern person and we should not treat them equivalently. In our time, that can be done for almost any nobody (and frequently is which is why CSD And AFD are so busy). On the other hand, there are a very limited number of people we even know the names of from the ancient world. Ulpia comes from an important patrician family and if she were alive today she would have a biography written, the papers would be full of stories about her, and she might make the cover of Forbes or Vogue. Spinning Spark 22:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • I never said she was in the imperial family. And ok, not strictly a patrician (that's only men anyway), but her family is of senatorial rank and the distinction between that and patrician by her time was no longer of any real significance. Spinning Spark 09:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
So what? As Spinningspark said, no longer of any real significance. No Great Shaker ( talk) 16:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
exactly Avilich ( talk) 16:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I agree that we should be particularly careful when assessing notability for historical figures (per WP:NEXIST etc.), but that doesn't mean giving them a free pass either. The sources that we have don't tell us anything about Ulpia beyond her name and her relatives, and that's not significant coverage. Counterfactual speculation about what would happen if she were a "modern person" doesn't strike me as helpful: we can't write an article based on sources that don't exist. (If we try to, serious original research problems immediately present themselves, as the present form of this article shows.) WP:NOTGENEALOGY makes this even clearer. Unless there's some sort of non-trivial coverage that I'm missing, she isn't notable. I'm not averse to a redirect, but I don't think it would be particularly helpful: this is an unlikely search term, and there's no single logical target. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 03:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, important as a historical figure Jackattack1597 ( talk) 21:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to List of Xavier Institute students and staff. Consensus is that the consent is insufficiently sourced to justify a content merge and redirection was generally better favoured, even by the sole delete !vote as per WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) Bungle ( talk • contribs) 18:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Rubbermaid (comics)

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Article fails to meet WP:GNG. No reliable sources discuss the character. TTN ( talk) 00:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was Merge/Redirect to List of Marvel Comics Characters. (non-admin closure) — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 01:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Other than a singular Portuguese scholar source, there doesn't seem to be any particular coverage of the character. TTN ( talk) 00:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Collective transferable vote

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Looks like something that was obviously made up by somebody (i.e. WP:OR); contributed by an SPA whose editing pattern indicates they're closely related to this subject, likely the inventor of the idea (this is obvious from one of the self-published pages used as a source, [12]). I can't verify the rest since the sources are (unhelpfully) all in Polish; but this same topic was deleted also on Polish wiki ( [13]); with the same concerns that I have, namely that this is WP:OR and that no mention of this can be found in reliable secondary sources, failing WP:GNG as well. RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 16:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Repeatedly recreated article under multiple names; see extensive history under Mpiima jeson, Mpiima johnson and Mpiima Jeson as well as this article. No reliable sources have been cited and a WP:BEFORE search comes back only with other wiki sites like Gyaanipedia and Everybodywiki, which are user-generated and unacceptable. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:55, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Whilst his 22 mins of professional football 10 years ago might give an assertion of meeting WP:GNG, there is clear consensus that this does actually need to be supported by WP:RS showing significant and direct coverage of Csepregi for him to have a stand-alone biography article.

A search of Hungarian sources yields only mentions in tabloids relating to his girlfriend Viki Singh. WP:BLP is extremely clear on Wikipedia policy when it comes to using tabloid junk to reference articles. Since I can't see any potential for this article to be cited to anything better than trashy celeb gossip articles in Blikk and BorsOnline, I do not believe that GNG or WP:BIO are met. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep all. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Climate of Rajasthan

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An article with no encyclopedia value with links cited that don't count as a source. One is to a news article that may not count as a reliable source, the other is just a webpage that is two charts, one from 2003 to 2014 of the highest and lowest temperature and rainfall data. The other of the period from 1971 to 2000. The article is nothing more than unsourced information and a picture gallery. Don't see the notability for this and the three below. GNG clearly is not met here. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 15:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the following related pages over the same concerns as with the Rajasthan article:

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I'm updating the nomination to include the following related articles over the same issues upon further examination of the sourcing and information:

These five have the same issues as the four nominated above as the majority of sources are about weather events and temperature. There is very little information about the climate of these regions as well. Articles about the weather don't qualify as being notable simply because it was a record amount of rainfall outside a storm. This falls under trivial information. GNG is not met here as well. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 15:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete all. Starting with Climate of Rajasthan, most of the information is uncited, and should be removed. What remains could easily be folded into the appropriate main article. That would seem to argue for a merge, except that the information (temp and precip) is only about Jaipur, which already has that info and more in its Climate section. The same is true of the other three proposed deletions. If anyone sees any cited info they want to merge, go for it! Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 17:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Removing information for the sole reason that it is uncited is disruptive and does not help to build the encyclopaedia. One should have reason to suspect the information is dubious and make at least a cursory attempt to cite it oneself before considering removing it. Spinning Spark 21:13, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Virtually all of the uncited info is dubious. How do you know what the busy tourist season is? or the exact temp range? It would be nice to try to check these out, bit it is not required. The onus is on the person wishing to keep the information. -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 02:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • The onus is on the restorer if something is deleted, but just because you can delete something does not mean that you should. Lack of a citation does not automatically make the statement dubious. There's a reason that policy does not say "all uncited material must be deleted". Rather, WP:V encourages the person considering removal to try and provide a source themselves and the WP:REMOVAL essay is even more pertinent. If you were arguing that information on temperature [14] [15] or tourist season [16] was impossible to establish then it would be unverifiable and rightly removed, but that is not the case here. Spinning Spark 13:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • As I already noted, virtually all of the uncited info was questionable. Note the large warnings in the article about uncited material. It need not be "impossible to establish" to be removed. If it was so easy to verify, someone should have already done it. Hey, if you wanted, you could have already done so; you presumably read the article warnings before beginning this conversation. Problem solved! -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 13:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Merge or Delete all such articles as appropriate. When I want to know about a place, I look at the article on that place. The weather is one of the things that I might want to read about. It should be in the main article, as it's a basic, fundamental piece of information about a country or region, and as a reader I don't want to be sent off on a trail of links over basics like that. Articles on countries/regions are usually fairly long, but with good subdivision and a good contents section, so quite a detailed description of the climate and seasons could be put into a typical country article without any harm. It would be extremely exceptional that the climate of a country was so notable independent of the country that it needed its own "personal" article. Elemimele ( talk) 18:19, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all per WP:ARTN Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article and WP:NEXIST The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable and WP:AFD is not cleanup. The climate of a state is plainly notable, I am astonished that this is even being questioned. There are plenty of book sources; Climate of Rajasthan State book published by Indian Meteorological Department, Rajasthan Geography has a 20-page chapter, Faunal Heritage of Rajasthan, India has a 32-page chapter. I'm totally confident an equal amount of sourcing can be found for the other nominations. Spinning Spark 20:06, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all the articles, they just suffer from poor sourcing. The climate of a state and major cities are inherently notable — DaxServer ( talk to me) 13:54, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
If that's the case for states and territories of India then many of them wouldn't be redirects to sections about the climate or geography of the respective mainspace articles. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 14:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Where the information should be located is a very different question from should the information be deleted and is not an issue best dealt with at AFD. That's a merge request/discussion which would normally take place on the article talk pages. Spinning Spark 14:19, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I'd argue a merge discussion would be inadequate too because I would bring up that we would have to merge every climate article related to a city, state, or territory per WP:NEUTRALITY if we were going down that route. If a major Indian city or a state doesn't qualify, why should a US or British city qualify? States, territories, and major cities are large enough areas to warrant their own climate articles. Noah Talk 15:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all Climate articles for Indian states and major cities clearly pass GNG; they have bad sourcing, but that's not a reason to delete them. The reasons mentioned for deleting or merging above are fundamentally flawed and sources do exist for these topics. Noah Talk 15:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Himachal pradesh, Gujarat, West Bengal, Bihar, Uttar pradesh are states with population in millions although they need more sources. I have not comment for the cities. - SUN EYE 1 14:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply
This isn't about the population of these states. Don't understand your keep vote. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 14:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Not wishing to put words into the user's mouth, but I think the point is that a state with a population of millions is large enough and important enough to write something meaningful about its climate. As opposed to "Climate of Puddletown" (population 1450). Spinning Spark 14:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Right, but this isn't about the population and the effect of notability as a result of the former. This is about the subject matter of failing GNG in my view. Population has nothing to do with this. And population in this case is not a GNG requirement. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 21:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Then you should nominate every single British and US city climate article for deletion as well to have neutrality here. The India articles are in poor shape since they have fewer editors on our wiki. Noah Talk 22:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
You still want to claim this fails notability when a whole book has been written on the topic and two other books have large chapters on it? Clearly you have no idea what the notability requirements actually are. Let me remind you A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. So how many more books beside the three I already noted above do you need before you agree that coverage is significant? Here's some more; 53-page chapter, 4 pages, 12-page chapter, and this one is only about the tiger reserve, but still spends three pages on climate. There are also academic papers written on the climate of Rajasthan [17] [18] [19] [20]. Spinning Spark 22:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
" Clearly you have no idea what the notability requirements actually are". Hostility and assertions don't help. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 22:47, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Neither does asserting that GNG has not been met without a clear rationale behind it. Continuing to assert it without a rationale when evidence to the contrary has been provided, and without challenging that evidence in any way, is simply pig-headed. Telling you that you are mistaken is not hostility. Please address the issue of whether the sources establish notability rather than complaining that you have been slighted in some way. Spinning Spark 23:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
To me it seems quite a common sense that Climate of a 130,058 km2 (Tamil Nadu as of now) patch of land attracts GNG by definition, when combined that it is recognised politically, geographically, socially with an invisible "border" which we call a "state", and all the others nominated. All of us agree that the content is poor. And so does thousands of stubs many of whom lack any reference at all. If we go by your reasoning, it's high time we purge everything that is not sourced? — DaxServer ( talk to me) 06:29, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Geschichte ( talk) 07:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Almost no indication of notability; only one source. Minkai ( talk to me)( see where I screwed up) 14:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per WP:GEOLAND this is an officially recognised community so is pretty much automatically notable. Searching for 铁杆镇 returns a huge number (in the millions) of hits from google. I can't read Chinese so can't assess those sources, but unlikely not to be anything at all. Spinning Spark 15:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 14:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Not notable aviation incident. While the plane was written off, those caused by runway overruns are very common. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment, this does have coverage just not under the flight number (IB6463). El Mundo in 2007: [21] [22], FG: [23]. Various aviation sites from much later: [24] [25]. The aircraft involved, a large Airbus A340-600, was new one (first flight 2006, crash end of 2007) and was destroyed (the airline decided to break it up rather than recover and repair it). Uncertain about NEVENT here, but coverage is more forthcoming when searching for A340+Quito+Iberia.-- Eostrix  ( 🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 14:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#4. Any editor in good standing may renominate the article for deletion. ✗ plicit 14:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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The defunct company doesn't meet WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:MULTSOURCES and WP:CORPDEPTH. Asketbouncer ( talk) 13:22, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: I would highly suggest that the nominator strike the second and third sentences of the nomination. How interesting something is or how much it's been viewed or edited are not relevant at all to whether an article should be deleted or not. Curbon7 ( talk) 18:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

:: agree! removed. However, the template remains for 14 years. Asketbouncer ( talk) 20:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 13:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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After 15 years this article still has no references to demonstrate notability. In reviewing the text it does not seem to scream notable, and could do with a review for those with that interest in motor sport and car parts. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG and the spirit of WP:NFOOTBALL, his professional play consisting of 28 minutes in the cup. Totally uncontroversial proposal. Geschichte ( talk) 12:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. due to lack of further participation; WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 17:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NFSOURCES and WP:NFO. I did a WP:BEFORE search and found nothing. The Film Creator ( talk) 23:40, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep 2 Critic Reviews at Rotten Tomatoes [26] and a third review at TV Guide [27] DonaldD23 talk to me 23:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Fails WP:NF IMHO. Kolma8 ( talk) 22:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: The actual criterion of WP:NFO regarding critics is "The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics" which it fails as this was a direct to cable/video movie. I would also argue that it doesn't meet NFO criterion #2: "Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release" - articles suggests something far more in depth than just a review. None of the other NFO criteria apply. Plus NFO lists indicative criteria of likely notability, and does not override GNG. ~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~ 02:51, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Comment Can you expand on how a film released "direct to cable/video" (which reaches millions of viewers) is different from a film released today "direct to streaming" (ie. Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime, etc.) which also reaches millions of viewers? Are you saying that those films are not notable either? If so, Wikipedia is about to get purged of a lot of films! Being released to the audience in ways other than theatrical release does NOT automatically make it non-notable. DonaldD23 talk to me 13:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • It looks like this was released direct to video. It aired frequently on TV afterwards, but it wasn't made for TV from what I can see. Now as far as the widely distributed part goes of NFILM, I need to note that the term is not defined on the page. As such, we can take widely distributed to mean anything from released to theaters to released to home video to even released directly to YouTube. Now what we should be looking at is whether or not the reviews for the film are from reliable sources. I can't access either one on RT, but the TV Guide one would be reliable. The review is also pretty in-depth, especially for a TV Guide review. Emanuel Levy is a RS, but the one that gives me pause is the Juicy Cerebellum one. The site is gone as far as I can tell, so we have to try and see if it's been used as a source by RS. It's referenced in this academic press book, as well as this one which is a good sign that it's probably usable. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Mick Martin, Marsha Porter (2001). "Invisible Mom". Video Movie Guide 2002. Random House Publishing Group. p. 554. ISBN  9780345421005. independent review
  • Martin Connors, Jim Craddock (1999). "Invisible Mom". VideoHound's Golden Movie Retriever 1999. Visible Ink Press. p. 462. ISBN  9781578590414. independent review
  • Robert A. Nowlan, Gwendolyn L. Nowlan, Gwendolyn Wright Nowlan (2001). "Invisible Mom". The Films of the Nineties: A Complete, Qualitative Filmography of Over 3000 Feature-length English Language Films, Theatrical and Video-only, Released Between January 1, 1990, and December 31, 1999. McFarland & Company. p. 284. ISBN  9780786409747.{{ cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( link) reference work entry with details on film
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The result was keep. Consensus that article passes WP:SIGCOV based on Chinese languages sources discussed during the course of the AfD. (non-admin closure) Bungle ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Fan Rong

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Fails WP:MMANOT for having no fights in top tier promotions. Also fails WP:GNG as coverage for fights are routine report. ♡RAFAEL♡( talk) 11:03, 5 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Mx. Granger I'm sorry, but my computer security settings block the first and third of your references. Of the other two, one is promoting an upcoming OneFC fight card in Shanghai in 2019 and the other is highlighting the best Chinese fighter performances in the 2019 OneFC events in Beijing and Shanghai. Do you have some better examples of significant coverage? That's important because he clearly doesn't meet WP:NMMA. Thanks. Papaursa ( talk) 20:34, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete He has no top tier fights to meet WP:NMMA. My search did not find anything to show me that there is enough significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. Fightmatrix says his highest ranking ever was 140th, which is not close to showing WP notability. Papaursa ( talk) 01:16, 18 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I crossed out my vote. While I'm not convinced by the sources given, the fact that I'm unable to access all of them means the coverage may be better than I can see. Papaursa ( talk) 13:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. 黄业 (2019-06-03). ""金刚战警"樊荣:争取展现中国大级别拳手的实力" ["King Kong Warriors" Fan Rong: Strive to show the strength of China's major fighters]. 北京千龙新闻网络传播有限责任公司 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2021-09-06. Retrieved 2021-09-19.

      From Google Translate: "Fan Rong has a strong physique, not only has huge muscles, but also has clear lines, and his beautiful abdominal muscles are not lost to small-level fighters. He has practiced javelin, discus and shot put since he was a child and is an excellent track and field athlete. After being admitted to the Sports Training Department of Harbin Institute of Physical Education in 2009, he began to understand and get in touch with mixed martial arts. ... In the arena, he played a good record of 11 wins and 2 losses. It is worth mentioning that Fan Rong also represented the Chinese national team in the MMA Asian Championships. With two surrenders and one TKO, he defeated three powerful enemies and won the 93 kg gold medal."

    2. "樊荣:中国大级别选手之光 期待ONE上海站迎来爆发" [Fan Rong: The glory of China's major players, looking forward to the outbreak of ONE Shanghai Station] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. 2019-05-24. Archived from the original on 2021-09-19. Retrieved 2021-09-19.

      From Google Translate: "Fan Rong, previously a special police officer, officially entered the professional mixed martial arts competition in early 2016. In just over two years, he has won ten consecutive victories in domestic competitions, including four surrenders and five KO end victories. ... At the beginning of 2019, Fan Rong continued to pursue his dream of mixed martial arts, successfully completed the signing of the ONE Championship, and successfully entered the international arena. ... In his debut at Manila this year, Fan Rong challenged Reinier De Ridder, a Dutch athlete who is 193 cm tall. In the first round of the competition, the Dutch used perfect Jiu-Jitsu skills to create unprecedented pressure on Fan Rong. While ending Fan Rong's ten-game winning streak, he improved his record to 10 wins and 0 losses."

    3. 格斗迷 (2020-11-12). "明晚ONE新加坡开打，我国大级别选手"战警"樊荣出战" [Tomorrow night ONE Singapore kicks off, my country's major player "War Police" Fan Rong will play] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. Archived from the original on 2021-09-19. Retrieved 2021-09-19.

      From Google Translate: "At present, the best middleweight player in my country's mixed martial arts should be the "war police" Fan Rong. He is 185 cm tall and weighs about 85 kg. He has a current record of 11 wins and 2 losses. He has a very good body and is also very good at surrendering opponents. There are not many domestic athletes who can compare with him, so in the future, Fan Rong will mainly challenge Russian and European and American players. It is conceivable that the difficulty is very large. Fan Rong’s opponent this time is Brazilian Yuri Simmons, who currently has no mixed martial arts record and has won the championship of innocent jiu-jitsu."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Fan Rong ( Chinese: 樊荣) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was speedy delete as WP:CSD#G7. ✗ plicit 12:49, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails GNG but should be redirected to Dollar Shave Club INeedToFlyForever ( talk) 12:12, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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News channel that lacks WP:RS INeedToFlyForever ( talk) 12:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - The article does not speak for itself as to notability of the news feed. An analysis of the references shows that most of them either state that Basti Khabar exists, or show that other sites are reprinting or rebranding Basti Khabar news. In other words, there is churnalism, which happens, and does not result in notability.
Number Reference Remarks Independent Significant Reliable Secondary
1 Nagaur News Announcement of channel N Y N
2 Bastikhabar Online A story about Pegasus Spyware No. The subject is the web site. N/A Y No
3 JharkandAajKal A story about Basti Khabar No Yes No
4 Harraiya Times Appears to be an ad for Basti Khabar No No
5 Medium.com A story about Basti Khabar No. In the nature of a press release. N/A No
6 NDTV.in It appears that this site is republishing news from the subject news service No No Yes No
7 Jagran.com It appears that this site is republishing news from the subject news service No No Yes No
8 Livehindustan Labeled as Basti News No No Yes No
9 Amarjula Labeled as Basti News No No Yes No
10 Zeenews.India.com Basti News No No Yes No

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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No professional games recorded on Soccerway, MLSZ or HLSZ so doesn't meet WP:NFOOTBALL. Nothing on Google News or DDG supports a claim to WP:GNG. At best, I found one interview of him in a local Orosháza-based website here but if you strip out the content that isn't directly from Csiszár's mouth, there's little there and, in any case, GNG calls for multiple reliable sources not just one. The website also looks closer to a blog than a reputable news source. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 13:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER criteria. Yaakovaryeh ( talk) 11:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep The topic is not required to meet the WP:ENTERTAINER criteria, as per WP:BASIC "[p]eople who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below." The subject of the article meets the criteria in that they have "received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Thanks.-- 17jiangz1 ( talk) 11:58, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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8 minutes of professional football might provide a weak presumption of WP:GNG notability but there is little evidence of a pass. Very little found in a Hungarian source search. Origo and Nemzeti Sport do have mentions of him in match reports for semi-pro games but nothing more than that. Given that he seemingly retired over 10 years ago, I'm not seeing any likelihood of future notability either. Hungarian Wikipedia has an article on him but it's sourced entirely to an unacceptable Wordpress blog. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Geschichte ( talk) 07:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Debrah was an unused substitute for one single Championship game but, apart from that, there is no claim to being close to being notable. The cited sources lack depth so do not demonstrate WP:GNG. Nothing better found in this search. Google News has this Halifax Courier article, however, the overwhelming majority of the article is just a regurgitation of his post-match comments to the local press with little independent analysis. The journalist makes some comments about his height and that he spent 10 years at Millwall but I'm not seeing enough there in this one local paper to justify a stand-alone article in a global encyclopaedia, especially considering that he is yet to play even one minute of football at the professional level. GNG also generally requires multiple sources. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:33, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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SOPHIA (European Foundation for the Advancement of Doing Philosophy with Children)

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Fails WP:ORG. Unsourced since 2007. I cannot find any significant coverage of this foundation, nor does the article make any credible claim of notability. Lennart97 ( talk) 10:32, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 13:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Ade Ivan Hafilah

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Footballer who has spent his entire career playing in semi-pro leagues with no apparent claim to notability. I will do a source analysis to explain why I believe that the current sourcing falls short on WP:GNG. An Indonesian search came back with nothing better so I am confident that the current sources show the best coverage. FlashScore and Football Database confirm the WP:NFOOTBALL failure. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:53, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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https://spiritnews.co.id/2017/03/20/ini-alasan-ade-ivan-kembali-berkostum-persika/ Yes Yes ~ The best source by far, however, even here it only briefly discusses his career and confirms that he is a striker. Aside from that, there are three small quotes from him. ~ Partial
https://www.indosport.com/sepakbola/amp/20190702/hasil-liga-2-2019-psms-medan-vs-cilegon-united-tuan-rumah-kalah Yes Yes No Squad list at the end of a match report ✘ No
https://www.cakaplah.com/berita/baca/40351/2019/07/14/gagal-curi-poin-psps-riau-justru-jadi-bulanbulanan-cilegon-united#sthash.VpUg9eMh.JeN745uO.dpbs Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.tribunnewswiki.com/2021/06/02/ade-ivan-hafilah No No Sourced entirely to Transfermarkt No The article itself is just a prose version of his Transfermarkt profile ✘ No
https://www.infosumsel.id/read/2021/05/30/5278/MBU-Langsung-Boyong-4-Pemain?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=feed Yes Yes No Mentioned a few times but no great depth ✘ No
https://banten.tribunnews.com/2021/09/18/jelang-liga-2-2021-perserang-rekrut-pemain-berposisi-striker Yes Yes No Brief transfer announcement, doesn't contain any strong coverage ✘ No
https://topskor.pikiran-rakyat.com/liga-indonesia/pr-1502686230/perserang-kalahkan-pskc-cimahi-ade-ivan-hafilah-jadi-bintang Yes Yes No Match report on game where he scored but no strong coverage otherwise ✘ No
https://www.bantenraya.com/banten-sport/pr-1271285408/menang-2-1-ade-ivan-bawa-perserang-kalahkan-pskc Yes Yes No Refers to same game as above source. Again, he is mentioned in the title as a goalscorer but there is no actual depth of coverage and we can't build an article from this sort of thing. ✘ No
https://ligaindonesiabaru.com/index.php/clubs/singleplayer/liga_2_2020_old/ade_ivan_hafilah Yes Yes No Stats ✘ No
https://live.lapangbola.com/players/25457 Yes ? No Stats ✘ No
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The result was speedy delete. ... discospinster talk 15:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Daud Ali (YouTuber)

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Likely WP:AUTOBIO or WP:COI given the multiple recreations under Daud ali, Daud Ali YouTuber, Daud ali (mr daud1304) and Mr daud1304. Wikipedia is not a web host nor is it an advertising space. The article fails to cite even a single reliable, independent source and I could find nothing better in a WP:BEFORE search.

I have sent this to AfD rather than doing a speedy delete as I feel that there is an endless cycle of recreation at the moment and a discussion will at least make future creations eligible for WP:G4 if the creator insists on continual reposting further to this discussion.

Alternatively, if there is significant coverage from reliable sources, then please share. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 03:31, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Kepaksian Sekala Brak Kuno

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There seem to be no reliable sources for "Kepaksian Sekala Brak Kuno" [36], and very few sources in general [37]. The article is also barely comprehensible. It seems to be part of a series of new similar articles by one or two(?) brand new editors, User:The cinnamon and User:Anaya Fayola Amijaya, including Draft:Sekala Brak, Kepaksian Sekala Brak and Draft:Islam in Lampung (2): while these are not included in this AfD, they may help in deciding what best to do here (deleting, draftifying, redirecting, ...). But without better sources, I propose simple deletion as the best solution. Fram ( talk) 09:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was procedural close. The title already redirects to Shahzada Khanam and this is an incomplete nomination as well. (non-admin closure) ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Shahzada Khanum Begum

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Doesn't meet with WP:GNG guideline. ➤ Tajwar.thesuperman Talk 09:19, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Note that there is also Shahzada Khanam. Either both should be deleted, or one redirected to the other. Fram ( talk) 10:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Geschichte ( talk) 07:50, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Stefano Salvi

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Doesn't meet with WP:NSPORTS and WP:GNG. ➤ Tajwar.thesuperman Talk 08:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep per WP:SKCRIT(3), as CORPDEPTH doesn't apply to a biography and the nomination rationale appears copied from other nominations ( [39] [40] [41] [42]). In addition this a clear snow situation.( non-admin closure) --07:06, 29 September 2021 (UTC) Eostrix  ( 🦉 hoot hoot🦉)

Karla Gower

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Do not meet WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:MULTSOURCES and WP:CORPDEPTH. Asketbouncer ( talk) 07:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. Some sources provided with print sources likely existing. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 14:50, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

The Live Mix, Part 2

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Contested WP:PROD. WP:BEFORE doesn't come up with any non-trivial sources besides the single Allmusic review. Fails WP:NALBUM. Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 04:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Leaning keep: it's difficult to track down anything online, but Billboard had a review exclusive to its online website (not in the magazine), which to my amazement has been archived [43]... they also had an article giving the background to the group and the album a couple of months prior to the album's release [44]. There's also a minor mention of the album on page 62 of the March 2001 issue of Spin [45] but I'm not sure it's enough to be described as "in-depth coverage". I wouldn't be surprised if print issues of NME and Q also reviewed the album in the UK. Richard3120 ( talk) 13:43, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
The Arizona Republic, the Boston Herald, and The Star-Ledger review it as well. Caro7200 ( talk) 14:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Caro7200: I was just thinking about asking you if you could find anything in a newspaper search... the group is reasonably well known, so widespread print coverage would not have surprised me. Richard3120 ( talk) 14:46, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. There are two issues here. The first is notability (other than for the lawsuit). In this regard, opinions are divided, although all who have commented after 4meter4 have found their sources convincing, so that part of the discussion probably tends towards a keep. The second issue is privacy. That problem, to the extent it is one, does not need deletion, but can be resolved by omitting personal information from the article. Sandstein 08:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Suede (singer)

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There is one reference on how Suede (singer) forced Suede (band) to change their trademarked name in the United States. This WP:BLP is basically a WP:SINGLEEVENT. A mention of this can be included in Suede (band) but that's about it. Shushugah (he/him •  talk) 17:46, 7 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Changing to Keep per new evidence presented by User:4meter4 ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him •  talk) 00:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Weak delete - I did a quick search and found these sources [ [46]][ [47]], but it's not very much. I also looked up the Live at Scullers Jazz Club DVD and couldn't find any reviews. I also unsuccessfully googled her with the Kennedy Center to see if there were reviews. Fails WP:GNG. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Weak merge. Maryland-based jazz singer Suzanne DeBronkart a.k.a. Suede has not achieved chart success with her music. The one thing she is known for is the 1993–1994 lawsuit against the UK Suede band. WaPo gave her a bunch of column inches in 1994, describing the issue in depth. Same with BalmerSun. [48] The successful lawsuit continues to crop up in the media, giving it a sort of staying power. It came up again in 2003 when the band Suede split up. [49] There's also the 2009 SFGate piece which describes her career in moderate depth. It gets another mention in 2019 in NME. I would say 'keep' except that other aspects of DeBronkart's career have not been so heavily discussed; it's mostly the old lawsuit that keeps reporters coming back. Binksternet ( talk) 20:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - There is nothing to merge because the lawsuit is already discussed, with a citation, at the English band's article. One or two more footnotes may be a benefit over there, and the voters above found some. "Merge" those if desired. Otherwise this singer has not received reliable coverage except for a few gig announcements here and there. I agree with the nominator on WP:SINGLEEVENT, and some voters above are recommending a merge that is unnecessary. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 23:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV and criteria 1 of WP:MUSICBIO. I found two quality music reviews which are not about the law suit and are significant independent RS. One is an album review of her album Barely Blue which pre-dates the lawsuit and the other is a concert review from 2001 which is also not about the lawsuit. Plus it is likely other pre law suit reviews exist offline given the pre internet era. I also found an encyclopedia entry on her in an LGBTQ reference work. Apologies for no urls as I accessed these through subscription access in PROQUEST or through other resources at my university library. These sources show that Suede is independently notable of the lawsuit and BLP1E doesn’t apply. The two reviews, the encyclopedia entry, plus the RS on the lawsuit are enough to pass GNG and MUSICBIO. See below. 4meter4 ( talk) 23:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Harrington, Richard (4 May 2001). "SUEDE; On the Day We Met". The Washington Post. p. I6.
  • Joyce, Mike (31 January 1992). "Pop Soprano Suede Covering the Bases". The Washington Post. p. 14.
  • Jay McLaren (1992). "Suede". An encyclopaedia of gay and lesbian recordings. p. 89. more info on that ref at the University of Washington library see ( [50])
How? I just presented multiple independent references with significant coverage? These alone would seem to satisfy WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO criteria 1. She has an encyclopedia entry for goodness sake and two reviews from respected music critics in The Washington Post. Then there is all the other quality RS about the lawsuit. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Nominator appears to have changed vote, but still need a better consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Peter303x ( talk) 01:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 03:21, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

To be clear and for the record - NO threat of lawsuit or legal action against wiki was ever mentioned by me or my agents. Not once. The point was made (perhaps poorly worded, thus rescinded immediately) that anyone continuing to refer to the British band London Suede as Suede after the settled Trademark violation lawsuit, wherein I was victorious, is (likely unwittingly) not honoring the agreement settled by a NY court of law. NO threat was or is being made. I am well aware that the band's agents are the ones guilty of neglecting due diligence in this matter, which IS a direct violation of the suit on their part, FWIW. The band, btw, was great during the entire tedious process as Sony dragged it on and on. Sony was sued, not the band, to be clear, for the record.

As for continuing to publish my birth name, my real concern - again, I cite Wiki's WP:BLPPRIVACY clause and re-state my respectful request to please stop doing so, to honor my privacy. Ironically, a few have correctly stated the fact that the lawsuit really has nothing to do with my now 40 year successful and ongoing career as a full-time independent artist - whether some have heard of me or not. Thank you. Suedewave ( talk) 15:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Comment. We have many BLPs on wikipedia with similar privacy concern content bans. The real names and birth dates of celebrities come to mind. The answer is often semi-protection of articles, and hidden notes advising editors not to add certain content because of WP:BLPPRIVACY policy. In other words, we have options other than deletion. This is a surmountable issue that doesn't require deletion. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Update, per WP:BOLD I went ahead and added a hidden note. In my view this should prevent further problems from happening. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Consumer protection#United States as an WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 03:00, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Call For Action

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Unreferenced. Non-notable term. I was thinking of prodding this, but I decided not to since the article has been around since 2004. SL93 ( talk) 02:04, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect to Consumer protection#United States Poor and out-of-date article, but local television stations across the United States still use this term to brand their consumer news and advocacy divisions and the hotlines they use to help consumers/find story ledes. If there's a better place to go with the rd, please feel free to share it. Nate • ( chatter) 23:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 03:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Recreational walks in Lancashire

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I don't understand the point of a list with two non-notable recreational walks. SL93 ( talk) 01:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree ( talk) 15:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Spence Diamonds

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This article appears to have been created for publicity purposes. It does not meet the WP:NCORP guidelines. Gentleman wiki ( talk) 00:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Meets WP:NCORP with the following sources (last 2 are more questionable, but they are from reliable outlets and didn't find evidence that they were sponsored/native ads):
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  • Weak keep: The article may have been created for publicity purposes but that does not mean it has to remain that way (to some extent this seems like yet another example of a company that has gotten coverage in reliable sources, just not the kind PRs want to surface). The sources above aren't particularly great in terms of substantial details, but I added what I could. I had to go elsewhere for some of the more biographical points though. Gnomingstuff ( talk) 14:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Coolperson177 ( talk) 00:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

The PuLi Hotel and Spa

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This article is using Wikipedia for advertisement. It clearly does not comply with WP:NCORP or WP:NGEO. Gentleman wiki ( talk) 00:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Adelaide Plains Football League. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 14:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hamley Bridge Football Club

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I don't know if there is a clearcut answer for these kinds of village-level clubs when balancing "quality/merit" of the article subject against potential coverage is village newspapers, but the main print source that is used in this article and other village football clubs is the self-published book by Peter Lines. Otherwise there are a few score results to village newspapers. This is the local football club in a village ( Hamley Bridge) of 700 people, which plays against the nearby villages. According to the Australian census, males between 15-35 are 12% of the population, so this estimates to around 80 prime-aged people who could realistically play in this team. We would never consider having articles for random high school sports teams (sporting merit would not be high enough), when most high schools have 1000 or so prime-aged students. Should we have articles on the village sports team just because there are weekly results in the village newspaper? I don't think we should Bumbubookworm ( talk) 23:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Editors have achieved a rough consensus against deletion. (non-admin closure) — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 04:38, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Cooper Hoffman

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Actor who does not satisfy acting notability or general notability. Article has been created both in draft space and in article space, which is commonly done to game the system by making it impossible to move the article into draft space. It does not prevent nominating the article for deletion.

The subject only has one listed major role, and that is deficient with respect to acting notability in two respects. First, multiple major roles are required. Second, the film has not yet been released. A review of the references shows that they are puff pieces stating that the movie is being made and that the trailer has been released.

Reference Number Reference Comments Independent Significant Reliable Secondary
1 Newsweek A puff piece about Hoffman Yes No No. See WP:NEWSWEEK.
2 Hollywood Reporter Announcement of casting Yes No Yes Yes
3 AV Club Announcement of trailer Not really No
4 People magazine Announcement of trailer Not really No Yes No
5 CNN Entertainment Announcement of trailer Not really No No
6 Yahoo A promotional piece Not really No No


The draft can be left in draft space. He will probably be notable soon enough, but it is still too soon. The only problem with redirecting the article to the film is that the film shouldn't have an article yet either. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Under what premise should the film not have an article? It's a major motion picture with an objectively notable cast, crew and director? CaffeinAddict ( talk) 00:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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I've removed this deletion nonsense per WP:IAR. Come on, people. This is a speedy keep. Many mainstream sources, obvious notability. The nomination is ridiculous and tendentious. Please try to be constructive contributors to the encyclopedia, and try to expand the article instead of vandalizing the project. - Wikidemon ( talk) 04:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply

That's not how this works. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 05:12, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I know exactly how it works, namely the way we collectively decide it works. That is often by reversing process crap instead of going through undue effort. Apparently, there are now cleanup bots restoring bad noms so the next step is a speedy keep and admonishing the nominator to be more careful. [1]
Comment I'm always exhausted to note this, but we have no deadline on how and when an article should be created. I'd rather have a great article formed over time by consensus than a poor one which is basically an Entertainment Tonight trailer summary screaming 'look it's that guy's...son!' like we have now. The Hollywood press is not a teacher requiring us to have 2,000 words about a subject by November 26 or they'll fail us. Nate • ( chatter) 20:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Thepharoah17 ( talk) 21:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Erica Johnson

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Fails WP:NJOURN. Lacks notability and sources. Only source I can find is CBC. Thepharoah17 ( talk) 22:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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While the CBC is a reliable source in principle, you can never, ever stake any journalist's notability on content self-published by her own employer, such as her staff profile or the outlet's own announcements of its own staffing or programming changes. You always need coverage about her in independent sources, namely media outlets that don't employ her. Bearcat ( talk) 14:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Was poorly sourced. Did some digging and added citations for the awards. At its current form, I think the subject passes WP:JOURNALIST: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews;"-- WomenProj ( talk) 18:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep I have found more sources related to awards, or at least nominations, e.g. 1, 2, and there is more biographical and career information that could be added from the Georgia Straight article. Per WP:JOURNALIST#4, the frequency and scale of the award nominations and wins seem like sufficient "significant critical attention", or per #1, that she is sufficiently "regarded as an important figure" to support a standalone article. Beccaynr ( talk) 19:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC) update !vote, per Bearcat - Beccaynr ( talk) 15:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. To be fair, I do see the problem as of the time of nomination, because the article was written semi-advertorially and unsourced — but she (a) actually does have a nationalized notability claim as a past host of a national network show on CBC Television, and even more importantly Gemini Award and/or Canadian Screen Award nominations that nail notability to the wall in and of themselves, and (b) actually does have some legitimate sources that have been added to the article since this discussion was initiated. Bearcat ( talk) 14:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Iftakar Uddin Emon

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Not a notable subject. Most sourcing right now is Apple Music and Spotify. Fails all of WP:MUSICBIO, and WP:GNG. Sourcing is not reliable, independent, or secondary. WP:GOOGLETEST gives various song links, but no reliable sources. WhoAteMyButter ( 📨talk│ 📝contribs) 22:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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This is a real musical artist article. But there no more source. But maxtermedia and topnewsint24 is a popular news portal. Articel owner added the source using this news portal. So delete tag should be removed.

Yes. So give me more time to improve this article. Remove delete tag.

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hitesh Soni and Associates, Law Firm

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Non notable law firm that uses its own website and Quora entries as references. Does not meet GNG nor WP:ORGCRIT. WP:BEFORE does not return any notability. Whiteguru ( talk) 21:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Mccapra ( talk) It doesn't make any sense to put the article for speedy deletion. The issues can be fixed as well as this is article about reliable firm, as you can check its notability. the article is also open for other to fix it. Kalim0135 ( talk) 23:15, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Whiteguru ( talk) The firm is associated with Hitesh C. Soni who is much notable for the drama serial case Ishq subhan Allah, you can check his notaility as well as his frim. The both articles are stub so its open to others to help the articles. Kalim0135 ( talk) 23:20, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep, per WP:NONPROFIT. BD2412 T 05:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

The Dawood Foundation

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Article is well REFBOMBED. Sources are routine and mostly unreliable. Fails WP:GNG Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 21:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Closing on behalf of the nominator who has withdrawn. Note that I am involved, so will undo this close on request. Spinning Spark 11:41, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Intelligent falling

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WP:Notability. The sources are a The Onion article, two newsgroup posts, and a comic. A quick web search finds a brief mention in The Guardian, a post by an unnamed author on ScienceBlog.com, and a brief mention in Slate. I don't personally doubt that this was at least a minor phenomenon in the early 2000s, but I question that this meets the WP:SIGCOV guideline. MarshallKe ( talk) 21:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) -- Xurizuri ( talk) 08:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Edward S. Reed

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As far as I can figure out, doesn't meet any of WP:NACADEMIC or general biography notability. Xurizuri ( talk) 20:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply


  • Comment He seems to be an authority in the field of Ecological Psychology the scientific study of perception-action from a non-functionalism approach. Looks like he wrote quite a few books and also see Worldcat. Oxford University lists one of his Ecological Psychology books and Yale University Press published one. With that said, I am not sure we can create out a biography together for an article. Lightburst ( talk) 20:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Anyone who wants to create a redirect from this title to Princess Beatrice or a subsection thereof is welcome to do so, though the existing redirect from the full name may be thought sufficient. Deor ( talk) 22:13, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Princess Beatrice's daughter

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Per precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/August Brooksbank: article on a minor who has no notability independent from her mother. DrKay ( talk) 20:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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That's not enough. Some journalists speculating about what a baby's name might be fails WP:GNG because (1) it's only speculation, and (2) it's a completely trivial matter, an unnamed baby's future name is nothing. Delete. Richard75 ( talk) 15:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and then redirect her name to her mother's page (once it has been announced). The child of a minor royal who is not expected to be elevated to a higher rank. She has the same level of notability as Princess Eugenie's son August Brooksbank. Keivan.f Talk 02:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I think this is the correct approach, looking through the Current Line of Succcession, none of the great-grandchildren minor royals have their own Wikipedia. ScottishNardualElf ( talk) 10:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I would say delete (possibly with a redirect to her mother once the name is known as suggested). Too far off the direct line of succession to be significant and as an infant does not have notability in her own right. As a great-grandchild of a monarch she may well meet notability in the future, but not now. Dunarc ( talk) 20:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The current heir to the throne has long-held aims to reduce the royal family when he becomes king, meaning that this child won't even have a hereditary ceremonial role. [5] Recreate in 20 years when she's won a reality show or been given a cushy corporate post. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 14:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I would propose to delete the articles of the Sussex Children too. There should only be an article on newborn royals if they are princes/princesses and therefore significant members of the royal familiy or if they bear some notability themeself, not only in connection to their parents. (This normally would be years later like inheritence of a substantive title, archiving something on their own or taking part in "the firm" somehow.) We do not need articles for individuals only listing their name, explaining which title they may use and which are actually used and listing some public appearance together with their parents. This should be in the articles of the parents and a more general on titles in the royal family. We should keep redirects to the more significant parent. Theoreticalmawi ( talk) 13:21, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Merge Should be redirected to Sienna Mapelli Mozzi which redirects to Princess Beatrice Moondragon21 ( talk) 18:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC
  • Keep Sienna outranks the children of the Earl of St Andrews and they all have wikipedia page, she is a direct descendant of Elizabeth II and the late Duke of Edinburgh and deserves her own wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.199.149 ( talk) 18:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Because they are adults and have established notability through other ways, rather than just being born. Unlike the children of William and Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie's children will never become grandchildren of a monarch, and they are not high up in the line of succession to the throne either. Keivan.f Talk 18:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 14:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Article has existed since 2006 (and the charity organisation has existed since 1998), yet most mentions I can find are passing at best. Fails WP:NONPROFIT. Article has no references, and until recently was primarily promotional cruft. ~ TNT (she/they • talk) 18:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply

This is the best potential source I could find, and that's certainly not "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization" ~ TNT (she/they • talk) 18:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment. Here's an article about one of its projects, although the organization name isn't in the lede. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Passes WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. A WP:BEFORE was not competently done by the nominator. There is lots of significant coverage in google books (note use WTI as well as full name to search within each individual book for more prose hits of relevance as text often uses WTI in sentences after identifying the organization by full name). Here are just a few examples: [6] (pages 172-175), [7] (pages 30, 41, 51, 61, 62, 65, 71, 73, 74, 75, 85, 86, 92, 98, 216; look for WTI in text) [8] (page 305 has an in-depth overview of the organization; also passing mentions which verify it as a major organization on pages 172 and 175), [9] (pages 455, 481, and 495) [10] (page 84), [11] (page 315), etc. 4meter4 ( talk) 21:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • 4meter4's sources are not convincing. I looked at the first few, passing mentions, appearance in bibliographies, addresses and the like. Do any of them have any actual in-depth discussion of the organisation? Spinning Spark 22:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Spinningspark, did you actually search inside as instructed above using both Wildlife Trust of India and WTI? The organization is mentioned in multiple locations inside most of these books on multiple pages. Sometimes indepth and sometimes in passing depending on the passage. None of the books only list the organization in just the bibliography, so if you didn't carefully search and go to multiple pages you didn't check the sources properly. 4meter4 ( talk) 23:30, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
So you are claiming that all those sources have significant coverage? Let's start with the first one. On which page is this significant coverage? Can you quote any of it? As far as I can see there is only a single sentence on p. 175 "Wildlife Trust of India continues to work toward adding to the scientific understanding of whale sharks and their habits along the Gujarat coastline" which is vague to the point of meaningless even if it were significant which it is not. Nothing that could be used to add to the article. Please don't tell people to search. You need to point out where this significant coverage actually is. Just getting a bunch of hits for the term is not enough. Spinning Spark 00:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Obviously you didn't search properly as there are four mentions in that book alone which should appear in the page search at the top. Regardless, the entire section begins at the bottom of page 172 and continues through to page 175 and is about the WTI save the shark campaign across those four pages. Clearly you didn't read what was earlier for context or you would have seen that. 4meter4 ( talk) 00:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Spinningspark, I added page numbers to help you and others. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 01:12, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I did search properly and found all four of the mentions. One of them is the sentence I quoted, two of them are bibliographic references, and one is a list of organisations involved in the Save the Whale Shark Campaign. The WTI is in that list along with International Fund for Animal Welfare, TATA Chemicals, and Gujarat Forest Department. That's just a passing mention. The section you refer to on pages 172–175 is not about the WTI, it's about the whale shark campaign. The only place the WTI even gets mentioned is the one sentence I quoted. That just doesn't do it for notability. Listing every passing mention is not convincing me. Please answer my question of where you found the WTI organisation discussed in detail. Spinning Spark 06:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete as WP:CSD#G5. ✗ plicit 12:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Jake Ejercito

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Jake Ejercito

Actor who does not satisfy general notability or acting notability. Article was created as draft, then declined by AFC reviewer, then moved to article space by author.

None of the three roles listed in the filmography are described as major roles in their own Wikipedia articles.

Role Major ? Comments
Sunday Noontime Live No Listed fifth as host
ASAP No Not found in list of performers
Marry Me, Marry You No Listed as a supporting role

A check of the references shows that most of them are simply announcements that he has signed a contract with the largest agency in the Philippines. None of them come close to qualifying as significant coverage for general notability.

Reference Number Reference Comments Independent Significant Reliable Secondary
1 ABS-CBN.COM Appears to be a photo gallery No No No
2 ABS-CBN.COM News Announcement of contract with agency No No No
3 ABS-CBN.COM News Another announcement of signing contract with agency No No No
4 PEP-PH.COM Another story about signing contract with agency No No No
5 Yahoo Yet another story about signing contract with Star Magic agency No No No
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You should be requesting an unblock from your original account. Using an additional account to bypass your block is called 'sockpuppetry' and will count against you. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Aleksandar Lekso Saičić

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Very dodgy sourcing for a person who may have one claim to fame. Its hard to tell as it also very badly written. Slatersteven ( talk) 17:17, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. There is a clear consensus that the subject is sufficiently notable relative to the time period from which she came. BD2412 T 05:24, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:NOTGENEALOGY. I can find nothing worthwhile in secondary sources other than confirmation of the name, and the article is just a restatement of genealogical trivia already covered elsewhere. Avilich ( talk) 02:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I'm not seeing here any demonstration of how 'she does have importance' or any guideline-based reason for keeping, just some drive-by copycatting of Peterkingiron's vote, which itself only calls for ignoring WP:NOTGENEALOGY without any reason. The subject here supposedly died before Trajan became emperor, meaning she was never part of the imperial family, so it's not like she gets automatic notability like some members of royal families. Avilich ( talk) 22:31, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
If you study my contributions you will see I don't do "drive-by copycat" votes and I think you need to get some perspective on this matter. It is a discussion among interested editors, not a WP:SOAPBOX for you to climb onto and air your grievances against anyone who disagrees with you. My comment was that I agree with Peter because I consider the subject to have importance in Roman history. As for WP:NOTGENEALOGY, that is inapplicable here because it says: "Family histories should be presented only where appropriate to support the reader's understanding of a notable topic". That would apply to articles like Trajan or Hadrian if someone should add a substantial piece about Ulpia to those – it does not apply here because most of the available information about Ulpia concerns her relationships. You say Ulpia wasn't a patrician and was never a member of the imperial family. She was Hadrian's grandmother and Trajan's aunt. As Spinningspark has rightly pointed out, a significant person in the ancient world must not be treated in the same way as some 21st century "celeb" about whom little is known. Ulpia's importance in Roman history is her family relationship to important people and she meets not only WP:GNG but also WP:COMMONSENSE. You don't build an encyclopaedia by deleting information about notable people who lived in places and times about which relatively little is known. No Great Shaker ( talk) 08:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • You don't build an encyclopedia by adding content indiscriminately, down to the smallest of trivia about someone's distant relative. Someone's importance in history is measured by coverage in historical sources, not by retrojecting a conjectural 'celeb' status to someone in the past. Relatives of 'celebs' are usually notable because their relationship already causes them to have coverage anyway. The only thing that matters is sources, how much you think is enough doesn't matter because you have none. Avilich ( talk) 15:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Last time I looked, the article cited eight sources with a direct quote about Ulpia in each citation. The article has not been created discriminately, unlike this AfD. You create an encyclopaedia using sources (eight of them so far in this article) and WP:COMMONSENSE. No Great Shaker ( talk) 16:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Don't be purposely obtuse, I already told you that sources go no further than restating family relationships and name, none of which establishes notability. And whoever added these sources did not think to look carefully (it's no more than a WP:NOTEBOMB if we're being honest), since apparently at least one of them is about a different person. Avilich ( talk) 16:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I'm not at all interested in what you may have "already told me". You are not an editor that deserves respect. That much is clear from a cursory glance at your talk page. You are clearly obsessed with notability but let me remind you that the second G in GNG means guideline. As I have already told you, editors must use WP:COMMONSENSE and WP:EDITDISC instead of blindly following this rule and that rule and the other rule. As it says in WP:COMMONSENSE: "Why isn't 'use common sense' an official policy? It doesn't need to be; as a fundamental principle, it is above any policy". You do not build an encyclopaedia by deleting information about topics that are so obviously useful. You build an encyclopaedia by developing articles about topics that readers may find useful – a student of Roman history would certainly find Ulpia's article useful. I have nothing further to say here. No Great Shaker ( talk) 20:24, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
WP:ITSUSEFUL, WP:ILIKEIT... Avilich ( talk) 22:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Cobbling together an article from weak sources for a person from the ancient world is an entirely different matter from doing that for a modern person and we should not treat them equivalently. In our time, that can be done for almost any nobody (and frequently is which is why CSD And AFD are so busy). On the other hand, there are a very limited number of people we even know the names of from the ancient world. Ulpia comes from an important patrician family and if she were alive today she would have a biography written, the papers would be full of stories about her, and she might make the cover of Forbes or Vogue. Spinning Spark 22:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • I never said she was in the imperial family. And ok, not strictly a patrician (that's only men anyway), but her family is of senatorial rank and the distinction between that and patrician by her time was no longer of any real significance. Spinning Spark 09:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
So what? As Spinningspark said, no longer of any real significance. No Great Shaker ( talk) 16:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
exactly Avilich ( talk) 16:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I agree that we should be particularly careful when assessing notability for historical figures (per WP:NEXIST etc.), but that doesn't mean giving them a free pass either. The sources that we have don't tell us anything about Ulpia beyond her name and her relatives, and that's not significant coverage. Counterfactual speculation about what would happen if she were a "modern person" doesn't strike me as helpful: we can't write an article based on sources that don't exist. (If we try to, serious original research problems immediately present themselves, as the present form of this article shows.) WP:NOTGENEALOGY makes this even clearer. Unless there's some sort of non-trivial coverage that I'm missing, she isn't notable. I'm not averse to a redirect, but I don't think it would be particularly helpful: this is an unlikely search term, and there's no single logical target. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 03:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, important as a historical figure Jackattack1597 ( talk) 21:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to List of Xavier Institute students and staff. Consensus is that the consent is insufficiently sourced to justify a content merge and redirection was generally better favoured, even by the sole delete !vote as per WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) Bungle ( talk • contribs) 18:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Rubbermaid (comics)

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Article fails to meet WP:GNG. No reliable sources discuss the character. TTN ( talk) 00:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was Merge/Redirect to List of Marvel Comics Characters. (non-admin closure) — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 01:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Other than a singular Portuguese scholar source, there doesn't seem to be any particular coverage of the character. TTN ( talk) 00:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Collective transferable vote

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Looks like something that was obviously made up by somebody (i.e. WP:OR); contributed by an SPA whose editing pattern indicates they're closely related to this subject, likely the inventor of the idea (this is obvious from one of the self-published pages used as a source, [12]). I can't verify the rest since the sources are (unhelpfully) all in Polish; but this same topic was deleted also on Polish wiki ( [13]); with the same concerns that I have, namely that this is WP:OR and that no mention of this can be found in reliable secondary sources, failing WP:GNG as well. RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 16:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Repeatedly recreated article under multiple names; see extensive history under Mpiima jeson, Mpiima johnson and Mpiima Jeson as well as this article. No reliable sources have been cited and a WP:BEFORE search comes back only with other wiki sites like Gyaanipedia and Everybodywiki, which are user-generated and unacceptable. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:55, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 19:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Tamás Csepregi

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Whilst his 22 mins of professional football 10 years ago might give an assertion of meeting WP:GNG, there is clear consensus that this does actually need to be supported by WP:RS showing significant and direct coverage of Csepregi for him to have a stand-alone biography article.

A search of Hungarian sources yields only mentions in tabloids relating to his girlfriend Viki Singh. WP:BLP is extremely clear on Wikipedia policy when it comes to using tabloid junk to reference articles. Since I can't see any potential for this article to be cited to anything better than trashy celeb gossip articles in Blikk and BorsOnline, I do not believe that GNG or WP:BIO are met. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep all. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Climate of Rajasthan

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An article with no encyclopedia value with links cited that don't count as a source. One is to a news article that may not count as a reliable source, the other is just a webpage that is two charts, one from 2003 to 2014 of the highest and lowest temperature and rainfall data. The other of the period from 1971 to 2000. The article is nothing more than unsourced information and a picture gallery. Don't see the notability for this and the three below. GNG clearly is not met here. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 15:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the following related pages over the same concerns as with the Rajasthan article:

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I'm updating the nomination to include the following related articles over the same issues upon further examination of the sourcing and information:

These five have the same issues as the four nominated above as the majority of sources are about weather events and temperature. There is very little information about the climate of these regions as well. Articles about the weather don't qualify as being notable simply because it was a record amount of rainfall outside a storm. This falls under trivial information. GNG is not met here as well. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 15:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete all. Starting with Climate of Rajasthan, most of the information is uncited, and should be removed. What remains could easily be folded into the appropriate main article. That would seem to argue for a merge, except that the information (temp and precip) is only about Jaipur, which already has that info and more in its Climate section. The same is true of the other three proposed deletions. If anyone sees any cited info they want to merge, go for it! Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 17:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Removing information for the sole reason that it is uncited is disruptive and does not help to build the encyclopaedia. One should have reason to suspect the information is dubious and make at least a cursory attempt to cite it oneself before considering removing it. Spinning Spark 21:13, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Virtually all of the uncited info is dubious. How do you know what the busy tourist season is? or the exact temp range? It would be nice to try to check these out, bit it is not required. The onus is on the person wishing to keep the information. -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 02:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • The onus is on the restorer if something is deleted, but just because you can delete something does not mean that you should. Lack of a citation does not automatically make the statement dubious. There's a reason that policy does not say "all uncited material must be deleted". Rather, WP:V encourages the person considering removal to try and provide a source themselves and the WP:REMOVAL essay is even more pertinent. If you were arguing that information on temperature [14] [15] or tourist season [16] was impossible to establish then it would be unverifiable and rightly removed, but that is not the case here. Spinning Spark 13:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • As I already noted, virtually all of the uncited info was questionable. Note the large warnings in the article about uncited material. It need not be "impossible to establish" to be removed. If it was so easy to verify, someone should have already done it. Hey, if you wanted, you could have already done so; you presumably read the article warnings before beginning this conversation. Problem solved! -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 13:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Merge or Delete all such articles as appropriate. When I want to know about a place, I look at the article on that place. The weather is one of the things that I might want to read about. It should be in the main article, as it's a basic, fundamental piece of information about a country or region, and as a reader I don't want to be sent off on a trail of links over basics like that. Articles on countries/regions are usually fairly long, but with good subdivision and a good contents section, so quite a detailed description of the climate and seasons could be put into a typical country article without any harm. It would be extremely exceptional that the climate of a country was so notable independent of the country that it needed its own "personal" article. Elemimele ( talk) 18:19, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all per WP:ARTN Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article and WP:NEXIST The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable and WP:AFD is not cleanup. The climate of a state is plainly notable, I am astonished that this is even being questioned. There are plenty of book sources; Climate of Rajasthan State book published by Indian Meteorological Department, Rajasthan Geography has a 20-page chapter, Faunal Heritage of Rajasthan, India has a 32-page chapter. I'm totally confident an equal amount of sourcing can be found for the other nominations. Spinning Spark 20:06, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all the articles, they just suffer from poor sourcing. The climate of a state and major cities are inherently notable — DaxServer ( talk to me) 13:54, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
If that's the case for states and territories of India then many of them wouldn't be redirects to sections about the climate or geography of the respective mainspace articles. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 14:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Where the information should be located is a very different question from should the information be deleted and is not an issue best dealt with at AFD. That's a merge request/discussion which would normally take place on the article talk pages. Spinning Spark 14:19, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I'd argue a merge discussion would be inadequate too because I would bring up that we would have to merge every climate article related to a city, state, or territory per WP:NEUTRALITY if we were going down that route. If a major Indian city or a state doesn't qualify, why should a US or British city qualify? States, territories, and major cities are large enough areas to warrant their own climate articles. Noah Talk 15:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all Climate articles for Indian states and major cities clearly pass GNG; they have bad sourcing, but that's not a reason to delete them. The reasons mentioned for deleting or merging above are fundamentally flawed and sources do exist for these topics. Noah Talk 15:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Himachal pradesh, Gujarat, West Bengal, Bihar, Uttar pradesh are states with population in millions although they need more sources. I have not comment for the cities. - SUN EYE 1 14:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply
This isn't about the population of these states. Don't understand your keep vote. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 14:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Not wishing to put words into the user's mouth, but I think the point is that a state with a population of millions is large enough and important enough to write something meaningful about its climate. As opposed to "Climate of Puddletown" (population 1450). Spinning Spark 14:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Right, but this isn't about the population and the effect of notability as a result of the former. This is about the subject matter of failing GNG in my view. Population has nothing to do with this. And population in this case is not a GNG requirement. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 21:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Then you should nominate every single British and US city climate article for deletion as well to have neutrality here. The India articles are in poor shape since they have fewer editors on our wiki. Noah Talk 22:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
You still want to claim this fails notability when a whole book has been written on the topic and two other books have large chapters on it? Clearly you have no idea what the notability requirements actually are. Let me remind you A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. So how many more books beside the three I already noted above do you need before you agree that coverage is significant? Here's some more; 53-page chapter, 4 pages, 12-page chapter, and this one is only about the tiger reserve, but still spends three pages on climate. There are also academic papers written on the climate of Rajasthan [17] [18] [19] [20]. Spinning Spark 22:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
" Clearly you have no idea what the notability requirements actually are". Hostility and assertions don't help. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 22:47, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Neither does asserting that GNG has not been met without a clear rationale behind it. Continuing to assert it without a rationale when evidence to the contrary has been provided, and without challenging that evidence in any way, is simply pig-headed. Telling you that you are mistaken is not hostility. Please address the issue of whether the sources establish notability rather than complaining that you have been slighted in some way. Spinning Spark 23:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC) reply
To me it seems quite a common sense that Climate of a 130,058 km2 (Tamil Nadu as of now) patch of land attracts GNG by definition, when combined that it is recognised politically, geographically, socially with an invisible "border" which we call a "state", and all the others nominated. All of us agree that the content is poor. And so does thousands of stubs many of whom lack any reference at all. If we go by your reasoning, it's high time we purge everything that is not sourced? — DaxServer ( talk to me) 06:29, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Geschichte ( talk) 07:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Almost no indication of notability; only one source. Minkai ( talk to me)( see where I screwed up) 14:03, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per WP:GEOLAND this is an officially recognised community so is pretty much automatically notable. Searching for 铁杆镇 returns a huge number (in the millions) of hits from google. I can't read Chinese so can't assess those sources, but unlikely not to be anything at all. Spinning Spark 15:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 14:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Not notable aviation incident. While the plane was written off, those caused by runway overruns are very common. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment, this does have coverage just not under the flight number (IB6463). El Mundo in 2007: [21] [22], FG: [23]. Various aviation sites from much later: [24] [25]. The aircraft involved, a large Airbus A340-600, was new one (first flight 2006, crash end of 2007) and was destroyed (the airline decided to break it up rather than recover and repair it). Uncertain about NEVENT here, but coverage is more forthcoming when searching for A340+Quito+Iberia.-- Eostrix  ( 🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 14:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#4. Any editor in good standing may renominate the article for deletion. ✗ plicit 14:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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The defunct company doesn't meet WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:MULTSOURCES and WP:CORPDEPTH. Asketbouncer ( talk) 13:22, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: I would highly suggest that the nominator strike the second and third sentences of the nomination. How interesting something is or how much it's been viewed or edited are not relevant at all to whether an article should be deleted or not. Curbon7 ( talk) 18:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

:: agree! removed. However, the template remains for 14 years. Asketbouncer ( talk) 20:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 13:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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After 15 years this article still has no references to demonstrate notability. In reviewing the text it does not seem to scream notable, and could do with a review for those with that interest in motor sport and car parts. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG and the spirit of WP:NFOOTBALL, his professional play consisting of 28 minutes in the cup. Totally uncontroversial proposal. Geschichte ( talk) 12:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. due to lack of further participation; WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 17:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NFSOURCES and WP:NFO. I did a WP:BEFORE search and found nothing. The Film Creator ( talk) 23:40, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep 2 Critic Reviews at Rotten Tomatoes [26] and a third review at TV Guide [27] DonaldD23 talk to me 23:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Fails WP:NF IMHO. Kolma8 ( talk) 22:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: The actual criterion of WP:NFO regarding critics is "The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics" which it fails as this was a direct to cable/video movie. I would also argue that it doesn't meet NFO criterion #2: "Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release" - articles suggests something far more in depth than just a review. None of the other NFO criteria apply. Plus NFO lists indicative criteria of likely notability, and does not override GNG. ~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~ 02:51, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Comment Can you expand on how a film released "direct to cable/video" (which reaches millions of viewers) is different from a film released today "direct to streaming" (ie. Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime, etc.) which also reaches millions of viewers? Are you saying that those films are not notable either? If so, Wikipedia is about to get purged of a lot of films! Being released to the audience in ways other than theatrical release does NOT automatically make it non-notable. DonaldD23 talk to me 13:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • It looks like this was released direct to video. It aired frequently on TV afterwards, but it wasn't made for TV from what I can see. Now as far as the widely distributed part goes of NFILM, I need to note that the term is not defined on the page. As such, we can take widely distributed to mean anything from released to theaters to released to home video to even released directly to YouTube. Now what we should be looking at is whether or not the reviews for the film are from reliable sources. I can't access either one on RT, but the TV Guide one would be reliable. The review is also pretty in-depth, especially for a TV Guide review. Emanuel Levy is a RS, but the one that gives me pause is the Juicy Cerebellum one. The site is gone as far as I can tell, so we have to try and see if it's been used as a source by RS. It's referenced in this academic press book, as well as this one which is a good sign that it's probably usable. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Mick Martin, Marsha Porter (2001). "Invisible Mom". Video Movie Guide 2002. Random House Publishing Group. p. 554. ISBN  9780345421005. independent review
  • Martin Connors, Jim Craddock (1999). "Invisible Mom". VideoHound's Golden Movie Retriever 1999. Visible Ink Press. p. 462. ISBN  9781578590414. independent review
  • Robert A. Nowlan, Gwendolyn L. Nowlan, Gwendolyn Wright Nowlan (2001). "Invisible Mom". The Films of the Nineties: A Complete, Qualitative Filmography of Over 3000 Feature-length English Language Films, Theatrical and Video-only, Released Between January 1, 1990, and December 31, 1999. McFarland & Company. p. 284. ISBN  9780786409747.{{ cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( link) reference work entry with details on film
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The result was keep. Consensus that article passes WP:SIGCOV based on Chinese languages sources discussed during the course of the AfD. (non-admin closure) Bungle ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Fan Rong

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Fails WP:MMANOT for having no fights in top tier promotions. Also fails WP:GNG as coverage for fights are routine report. ♡RAFAEL♡( talk) 11:03, 5 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Mx. Granger I'm sorry, but my computer security settings block the first and third of your references. Of the other two, one is promoting an upcoming OneFC fight card in Shanghai in 2019 and the other is highlighting the best Chinese fighter performances in the 2019 OneFC events in Beijing and Shanghai. Do you have some better examples of significant coverage? That's important because he clearly doesn't meet WP:NMMA. Thanks. Papaursa ( talk) 20:34, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete He has no top tier fights to meet WP:NMMA. My search did not find anything to show me that there is enough significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. Fightmatrix says his highest ranking ever was 140th, which is not close to showing WP notability. Papaursa ( talk) 01:16, 18 September 2021 (UTC) reply
I crossed out my vote. While I'm not convinced by the sources given, the fact that I'm unable to access all of them means the coverage may be better than I can see. Papaursa ( talk) 13:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. 黄业 (2019-06-03). ""金刚战警"樊荣:争取展现中国大级别拳手的实力" ["King Kong Warriors" Fan Rong: Strive to show the strength of China's major fighters]. 北京千龙新闻网络传播有限责任公司 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2021-09-06. Retrieved 2021-09-19.

      From Google Translate: "Fan Rong has a strong physique, not only has huge muscles, but also has clear lines, and his beautiful abdominal muscles are not lost to small-level fighters. He has practiced javelin, discus and shot put since he was a child and is an excellent track and field athlete. After being admitted to the Sports Training Department of Harbin Institute of Physical Education in 2009, he began to understand and get in touch with mixed martial arts. ... In the arena, he played a good record of 11 wins and 2 losses. It is worth mentioning that Fan Rong also represented the Chinese national team in the MMA Asian Championships. With two surrenders and one TKO, he defeated three powerful enemies and won the 93 kg gold medal."

    2. "樊荣:中国大级别选手之光 期待ONE上海站迎来爆发" [Fan Rong: The glory of China's major players, looking forward to the outbreak of ONE Shanghai Station] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. 2019-05-24. Archived from the original on 2021-09-19. Retrieved 2021-09-19.

      From Google Translate: "Fan Rong, previously a special police officer, officially entered the professional mixed martial arts competition in early 2016. In just over two years, he has won ten consecutive victories in domestic competitions, including four surrenders and five KO end victories. ... At the beginning of 2019, Fan Rong continued to pursue his dream of mixed martial arts, successfully completed the signing of the ONE Championship, and successfully entered the international arena. ... In his debut at Manila this year, Fan Rong challenged Reinier De Ridder, a Dutch athlete who is 193 cm tall. In the first round of the competition, the Dutch used perfect Jiu-Jitsu skills to create unprecedented pressure on Fan Rong. While ending Fan Rong's ten-game winning streak, he improved his record to 10 wins and 0 losses."

    3. 格斗迷 (2020-11-12). "明晚ONE新加坡开打，我国大级别选手"战警"樊荣出战" [Tomorrow night ONE Singapore kicks off, my country's major player "War Police" Fan Rong will play] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. Archived from the original on 2021-09-19. Retrieved 2021-09-19.

      From Google Translate: "At present, the best middleweight player in my country's mixed martial arts should be the "war police" Fan Rong. He is 185 cm tall and weighs about 85 kg. He has a current record of 11 wins and 2 losses. He has a very good body and is also very good at surrendering opponents. There are not many domestic athletes who can compare with him, so in the future, Fan Rong will mainly challenge Russian and European and American players. It is conceivable that the difficulty is very large. Fan Rong’s opponent this time is Brazilian Yuri Simmons, who currently has no mixed martial arts record and has won the championship of innocent jiu-jitsu."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Fan Rong ( Chinese: 樊荣) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was speedy delete as WP:CSD#G7. ✗ plicit 12:49, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails GNG but should be redirected to Dollar Shave Club INeedToFlyForever ( talk) 12:12, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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News channel that lacks WP:RS INeedToFlyForever ( talk) 12:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - The article does not speak for itself as to notability of the news feed. An analysis of the references shows that most of them either state that Basti Khabar exists, or show that other sites are reprinting or rebranding Basti Khabar news. In other words, there is churnalism, which happens, and does not result in notability.
Number Reference Remarks Independent Significant Reliable Secondary
1 Nagaur News Announcement of channel N Y N
2 Bastikhabar Online A story about Pegasus Spyware No. The subject is the web site. N/A Y No
3 JharkandAajKal A story about Basti Khabar No Yes No
4 Harraiya Times Appears to be an ad for Basti Khabar No No
5 Medium.com A story about Basti Khabar No. In the nature of a press release. N/A No
6 NDTV.in It appears that this site is republishing news from the subject news service No No Yes No
7 Jagran.com It appears that this site is republishing news from the subject news service No No Yes No
8 Livehindustan Labeled as Basti News No No Yes No
9 Amarjula Labeled as Basti News No No Yes No
10 Zeenews.India.com Basti News No No Yes No

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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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No professional games recorded on Soccerway, MLSZ or HLSZ so doesn't meet WP:NFOOTBALL. Nothing on Google News or DDG supports a claim to WP:GNG. At best, I found one interview of him in a local Orosháza-based website here but if you strip out the content that isn't directly from Csiszár's mouth, there's little there and, in any case, GNG calls for multiple reliable sources not just one. The website also looks closer to a blog than a reputable news source. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 13:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER criteria. Yaakovaryeh ( talk) 11:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep The topic is not required to meet the WP:ENTERTAINER criteria, as per WP:BASIC "[p]eople who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below." The subject of the article meets the criteria in that they have "received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Thanks.-- 17jiangz1 ( talk) 11:58, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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8 minutes of professional football might provide a weak presumption of WP:GNG notability but there is little evidence of a pass. Very little found in a Hungarian source search. Origo and Nemzeti Sport do have mentions of him in match reports for semi-pro games but nothing more than that. Given that he seemingly retired over 10 years ago, I'm not seeing any likelihood of future notability either. Hungarian Wikipedia has an article on him but it's sourced entirely to an unacceptable Wordpress blog. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Geschichte ( talk) 07:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Debrah was an unused substitute for one single Championship game but, apart from that, there is no claim to being close to being notable. The cited sources lack depth so do not demonstrate WP:GNG. Nothing better found in this search. Google News has this Halifax Courier article, however, the overwhelming majority of the article is just a regurgitation of his post-match comments to the local press with little independent analysis. The journalist makes some comments about his height and that he spent 10 years at Millwall but I'm not seeing enough there in this one local paper to justify a stand-alone article in a global encyclopaedia, especially considering that he is yet to play even one minute of football at the professional level. GNG also generally requires multiple sources. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:33, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:ORG. Unsourced since 2007. I cannot find any significant coverage of this foundation, nor does the article make any credible claim of notability. Lennart97 ( talk) 10:32, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 13:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Ade Ivan Hafilah

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Footballer who has spent his entire career playing in semi-pro leagues with no apparent claim to notability. I will do a source analysis to explain why I believe that the current sourcing falls short on WP:GNG. An Indonesian search came back with nothing better so I am confident that the current sources show the best coverage. FlashScore and Football Database confirm the WP:NFOOTBALL failure. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:53, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://spiritnews.co.id/2017/03/20/ini-alasan-ade-ivan-kembali-berkostum-persika/ Yes Yes ~ The best source by far, however, even here it only briefly discusses his career and confirms that he is a striker. Aside from that, there are three small quotes from him. ~ Partial
https://www.indosport.com/sepakbola/amp/20190702/hasil-liga-2-2019-psms-medan-vs-cilegon-united-tuan-rumah-kalah Yes Yes No Squad list at the end of a match report ✘ No
https://www.cakaplah.com/berita/baca/40351/2019/07/14/gagal-curi-poin-psps-riau-justru-jadi-bulanbulanan-cilegon-united#sthash.VpUg9eMh.JeN745uO.dpbs Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.tribunnewswiki.com/2021/06/02/ade-ivan-hafilah No No Sourced entirely to Transfermarkt No The article itself is just a prose version of his Transfermarkt profile ✘ No
https://www.infosumsel.id/read/2021/05/30/5278/MBU-Langsung-Boyong-4-Pemain?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=feed Yes Yes No Mentioned a few times but no great depth ✘ No
https://banten.tribunnews.com/2021/09/18/jelang-liga-2-2021-perserang-rekrut-pemain-berposisi-striker Yes Yes No Brief transfer announcement, doesn't contain any strong coverage ✘ No
https://topskor.pikiran-rakyat.com/liga-indonesia/pr-1502686230/perserang-kalahkan-pskc-cimahi-ade-ivan-hafilah-jadi-bintang Yes Yes No Match report on game where he scored but no strong coverage otherwise ✘ No
https://www.bantenraya.com/banten-sport/pr-1271285408/menang-2-1-ade-ivan-bawa-perserang-kalahkan-pskc Yes Yes No Refers to same game as above source. Again, he is mentioned in the title as a goalscorer but there is no actual depth of coverage and we can't build an article from this sort of thing. ✘ No
https://ligaindonesiabaru.com/index.php/clubs/singleplayer/liga_2_2020_old/ade_ivan_hafilah Yes Yes No Stats ✘ No
https://live.lapangbola.com/players/25457 Yes ? No Stats ✘ No
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The result was speedy delete. ... discospinster talk 15:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Daud Ali (YouTuber)

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Likely WP:AUTOBIO or WP:COI given the multiple recreations under Daud ali, Daud Ali YouTuber, Daud ali (mr daud1304) and Mr daud1304. Wikipedia is not a web host nor is it an advertising space. The article fails to cite even a single reliable, independent source and I could find nothing better in a WP:BEFORE search.

I have sent this to AfD rather than doing a speedy delete as I feel that there is an endless cycle of recreation at the moment and a discussion will at least make future creations eligible for WP:G4 if the creator insists on continual reposting further to this discussion.

Alternatively, if there is significant coverage from reliable sources, then please share. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:37, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 03:31, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Kepaksian Sekala Brak Kuno

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There seem to be no reliable sources for "Kepaksian Sekala Brak Kuno" [36], and very few sources in general [37]. The article is also barely comprehensible. It seems to be part of a series of new similar articles by one or two(?) brand new editors, User:The cinnamon and User:Anaya Fayola Amijaya, including Draft:Sekala Brak, Kepaksian Sekala Brak and Draft:Islam in Lampung (2): while these are not included in this AfD, they may help in deciding what best to do here (deleting, draftifying, redirecting, ...). But without better sources, I propose simple deletion as the best solution. Fram ( talk) 09:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was procedural close. The title already redirects to Shahzada Khanam and this is an incomplete nomination as well. (non-admin closure) ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Shahzada Khanum Begum

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Doesn't meet with WP:GNG guideline. ➤ Tajwar.thesuperman Talk 09:19, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Note that there is also Shahzada Khanam. Either both should be deleted, or one redirected to the other. Fram ( talk) 10:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Geschichte ( talk) 07:50, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Stefano Salvi

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Doesn't meet with WP:NSPORTS and WP:GNG. ➤ Tajwar.thesuperman Talk 08:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep per WP:SKCRIT(3), as CORPDEPTH doesn't apply to a biography and the nomination rationale appears copied from other nominations ( [39] [40] [41] [42]). In addition this a clear snow situation.( non-admin closure) --07:06, 29 September 2021 (UTC) Eostrix  ( 🦉 hoot hoot🦉)

Karla Gower

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Do not meet WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:MULTSOURCES and WP:CORPDEPTH. Asketbouncer ( talk) 07:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. Some sources provided with print sources likely existing. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 14:50, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Contested WP:PROD. WP:BEFORE doesn't come up with any non-trivial sources besides the single Allmusic review. Fails WP:NALBUM. Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 04:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Leaning keep: it's difficult to track down anything online, but Billboard had a review exclusive to its online website (not in the magazine), which to my amazement has been archived [43]... they also had an article giving the background to the group and the album a couple of months prior to the album's release [44]. There's also a minor mention of the album on page 62 of the March 2001 issue of Spin [45] but I'm not sure it's enough to be described as "in-depth coverage". I wouldn't be surprised if print issues of NME and Q also reviewed the album in the UK. Richard3120 ( talk) 13:43, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
The Arizona Republic, the Boston Herald, and The Star-Ledger review it as well. Caro7200 ( talk) 14:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Caro7200: I was just thinking about asking you if you could find anything in a newspaper search... the group is reasonably well known, so widespread print coverage would not have surprised me. Richard3120 ( talk) 14:46, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. There are two issues here. The first is notability (other than for the lawsuit). In this regard, opinions are divided, although all who have commented after 4meter4 have found their sources convincing, so that part of the discussion probably tends towards a keep. The second issue is privacy. That problem, to the extent it is one, does not need deletion, but can be resolved by omitting personal information from the article. Sandstein 08:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Suede (singer)

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There is one reference on how Suede (singer) forced Suede (band) to change their trademarked name in the United States. This WP:BLP is basically a WP:SINGLEEVENT. A mention of this can be included in Suede (band) but that's about it. Shushugah (he/him •  talk) 17:46, 7 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Changing to Keep per new evidence presented by User:4meter4 ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him •  talk) 00:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Weak delete - I did a quick search and found these sources [ [46]][ [47]], but it's not very much. I also looked up the Live at Scullers Jazz Club DVD and couldn't find any reviews. I also unsuccessfully googled her with the Kennedy Center to see if there were reviews. Fails WP:GNG. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Weak merge. Maryland-based jazz singer Suzanne DeBronkart a.k.a. Suede has not achieved chart success with her music. The one thing she is known for is the 1993–1994 lawsuit against the UK Suede band. WaPo gave her a bunch of column inches in 1994, describing the issue in depth. Same with BalmerSun. [48] The successful lawsuit continues to crop up in the media, giving it a sort of staying power. It came up again in 2003 when the band Suede split up. [49] There's also the 2009 SFGate piece which describes her career in moderate depth. It gets another mention in 2019 in NME. I would say 'keep' except that other aspects of DeBronkart's career have not been so heavily discussed; it's mostly the old lawsuit that keeps reporters coming back. Binksternet ( talk) 20:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - There is nothing to merge because the lawsuit is already discussed, with a citation, at the English band's article. One or two more footnotes may be a benefit over there, and the voters above found some. "Merge" those if desired. Otherwise this singer has not received reliable coverage except for a few gig announcements here and there. I agree with the nominator on WP:SINGLEEVENT, and some voters above are recommending a merge that is unnecessary. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 23:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV and criteria 1 of WP:MUSICBIO. I found two quality music reviews which are not about the law suit and are significant independent RS. One is an album review of her album Barely Blue which pre-dates the lawsuit and the other is a concert review from 2001 which is also not about the lawsuit. Plus it is likely other pre law suit reviews exist offline given the pre internet era. I also found an encyclopedia entry on her in an LGBTQ reference work. Apologies for no urls as I accessed these through subscription access in PROQUEST or through other resources at my university library. These sources show that Suede is independently notable of the lawsuit and BLP1E doesn’t apply. The two reviews, the encyclopedia entry, plus the RS on the lawsuit are enough to pass GNG and MUSICBIO. See below. 4meter4 ( talk) 23:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Harrington, Richard (4 May 2001). "SUEDE; On the Day We Met". The Washington Post. p. I6.
  • Joyce, Mike (31 January 1992). "Pop Soprano Suede Covering the Bases". The Washington Post. p. 14.
  • Jay McLaren (1992). "Suede". An encyclopaedia of gay and lesbian recordings. p. 89. more info on that ref at the University of Washington library see ( [50])
How? I just presented multiple independent references with significant coverage? These alone would seem to satisfy WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO criteria 1. She has an encyclopedia entry for goodness sake and two reviews from respected music critics in The Washington Post. Then there is all the other quality RS about the lawsuit. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Nominator appears to have changed vote, but still need a better consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Peter303x ( talk) 01:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 03:21, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

To be clear and for the record - NO threat of lawsuit or legal action against wiki was ever mentioned by me or my agents. Not once. The point was made (perhaps poorly worded, thus rescinded immediately) that anyone continuing to refer to the British band London Suede as Suede after the settled Trademark violation lawsuit, wherein I was victorious, is (likely unwittingly) not honoring the agreement settled by a NY court of law. NO threat was or is being made. I am well aware that the band's agents are the ones guilty of neglecting due diligence in this matter, which IS a direct violation of the suit on their part, FWIW. The band, btw, was great during the entire tedious process as Sony dragged it on and on. Sony was sued, not the band, to be clear, for the record.

As for continuing to publish my birth name, my real concern - again, I cite Wiki's WP:BLPPRIVACY clause and re-state my respectful request to please stop doing so, to honor my privacy. Ironically, a few have correctly stated the fact that the lawsuit really has nothing to do with my now 40 year successful and ongoing career as a full-time independent artist - whether some have heard of me or not. Thank you. Suedewave ( talk) 15:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Comment. We have many BLPs on wikipedia with similar privacy concern content bans. The real names and birth dates of celebrities come to mind. The answer is often semi-protection of articles, and hidden notes advising editors not to add certain content because of WP:BLPPRIVACY policy. In other words, we have options other than deletion. This is a surmountable issue that doesn't require deletion. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Update, per WP:BOLD I went ahead and added a hidden note. In my view this should prevent further problems from happening. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Consumer protection#United States as an WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 03:00, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Call For Action

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Unreferenced. Non-notable term. I was thinking of prodding this, but I decided not to since the article has been around since 2004. SL93 ( talk) 02:04, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect to Consumer protection#United States Poor and out-of-date article, but local television stations across the United States still use this term to brand their consumer news and advocacy divisions and the hotlines they use to help consumers/find story ledes. If there's a better place to go with the rd, please feel free to share it. Nate • ( chatter) 23:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 03:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Recreational walks in Lancashire

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I don't understand the point of a list with two non-notable recreational walks. SL93 ( talk) 01:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree ( talk) 15:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Spence Diamonds

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This article appears to have been created for publicity purposes. It does not meet the WP:NCORP guidelines. Gentleman wiki ( talk) 00:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Meets WP:NCORP with the following sources (last 2 are more questionable, but they are from reliable outlets and didn't find evidence that they were sponsored/native ads):
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  • Weak keep: The article may have been created for publicity purposes but that does not mean it has to remain that way (to some extent this seems like yet another example of a company that has gotten coverage in reliable sources, just not the kind PRs want to surface). The sources above aren't particularly great in terms of substantial details, but I added what I could. I had to go elsewhere for some of the more biographical points though. Gnomingstuff ( talk) 14:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Coolperson177 ( talk) 00:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC) reply

The PuLi Hotel and Spa

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This article is using Wikipedia for advertisement. It clearly does not comply with WP:NCORP or WP:NGEO. Gentleman wiki ( talk) 00:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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