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Dokibird

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All the coverage in the article is from February 2024 when she left the entertainment company Nijisanji. Beyond that, I've found two reliable sources that do not cover this topic ( Siliconera 1, Siliconera 2). Wikipedia's notability criteria discourages articles on people notable for only one event, which this article seems to cover. Most of the content featured in the article also seems to be a content fork of the article Nijisanji. I suggest deleting the article or turning it into a redirect to the Nijisanji article. ArcticSeeress ( talk) 08:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Indians in Luxembourg

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Fails GNG, 2 of the 3 sources are dead. The estimated population is very small at around 1000, and no significant coverage of their contribution to Luxembourg society. LibStar ( talk) 06:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Willie XO

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Non notable musician. Fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage. Majority of the references are just from mere blog talking about his music. It is also clearly written by the creator the subject paid for billboard advertising. This doesn’t even sound like a biography but a promotional work and majority of the contribution are from the creator suck puppet account /info/en/?search=Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Mark_Yung_Chukwuebuka user:MarkIblog for reference. Gabriel (talk to me ) 09:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: I don’t see how this passes WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Looks very promotional too without imparting any useful information. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 10:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. No chart activity or notable label work, the usual namedropping of famous artists in attempt to establish notability, and promotional-sounding sources. Never mind the horribly written article with all proper names in lowercase. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 09:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I can't see how his music comfort you made itself notable before raising the artist to prominence, promotionally raising a music to stream 20m views on YouTube. The sources sounds advertorial —announcement of new album/release. Safari Scribe^{Edits!
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Alex Oke

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Non notable chef. All sources in the article are primary and the only credible source which is a BBC report mentions the subject in passing. Before search did not yield anything useful. Ednabrenze ( talk) 09:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Fails WP:BASIC - Nothing notable. Tells us his background, but only three sentences on his career. — Maile ( talk) 13:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Not enough coverage to meet notability.... I found this [1], but it's an interview. Just not enough out there we can use. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Chef? Barely sourced BLP that doesn't meet WP:GNG. The sources are all unreliable per WP:RS. Are chefs notable? Safari Scribe^{Edits!
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Keji Giwa

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Business person not eligible for an article. Media sources used in the article are from blogs which are unreliable. A before search brought press statements issued by their business entities with passing mention of them. others found are interviews written in news article formats which extensively quoted their onw words Ednabrenze ( talk) 09:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete I don’t see anything to suggest notability. Mccapra ( talk) 09:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 12:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Promotional and blog sourced BLP. Safari Scribe^{Edits!
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Otherwize

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Article about a non-notable rapper. Sources are passing mentions and nothing indepth on the subject. I don't see it satisfies WP:NMUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Jamiebuba ( talk) 07:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per both WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:NMUSIC. His only claim to fame is attached to Eminem, and that was 27 years ago. No notable discography or chart activity, and the titles of the citations in the article don't even mention the subject, but other rappers. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 20:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep per WP:NMUSIC. WP:NMUSIC states "Musicians ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." Otherwize clearly meets 3 of the criteria: #1, #7, and #9.

1. He has been featured in multiple documentaries (Where We're From and Freestyle: The Art of Rhyme), books (The Come Up, The Way I Am, King Khule, Born a Villain), and articles (HipHopDX, etc.). His prominence in the documentaries have nothing to do with Eminem, so they are not inherited notability.

7. In Where We're From, Otherwize is cited as the most prominent battle rapper in his region (LA) during this era. That has nothing to do with Eminem, so it's not inherited notability.

9. Otherwize won 1st Place and 3rd Place in major national music competitions (Rap Olympics '97 and Scribble Jam '99). Granted, one of those was defeating Eminem, but the other one was not, and they are still placings in national music competitions regardless of who he defeated. So this is not inherited notability.

He is also part of a notable crew called Project Blowed, which is also a subject of documentaries (This is the Life and Hip-Hop Evolution). He featured on the important Los Angeles underground albums Beneath the Surface and Cater to the DJ. Hierarchitectitiptitoploftical ( talk) 20:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Ragib Shahriar Ankon

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Product of BLP1E. dxneo ( talk) 14:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I think there are significant coverages for this article of Ragib Shahriar Ankon (in Bangla, রাগীব শাহরিয়ার অংকন). Kindly review it again and remove the Article for deletion notice! Iamsthnahiyan ( talk) 22:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete. Such Guinness World Records holders are ousted by others. If not ousted for decades, then we can have WP:SIGCOV. Seems BLP1E with WP:TOOSOON with no WP:GNG Twinkle1990 ( talk) 16:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I think there are significant coverages for this article of Ragib Shahriar Ankon (in Bangla, রাগীব শাহরিয়ার অংকন). Kindly review it again and remove the Article for deletion notice! Iamsthnahiyan ( talk) 22:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, concurring with Twinkle1990. GWRs are able to be gamed with money, so it's an unreliable metric of achievement. SWinxy ( talk) 01:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Franz Ketterer

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Article about an obscure subject that does not seem to be notable outside of some (likely incorrect) mentions that he invented the cuckoo clock. I cannot find sufficient sourcing to improve the article. Mbdfar ( talk) 17:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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~~Weak delete~~: Most sources online are clock stores and blogs which are not reliable. There are quite a few hits on Google books that claim he did indeed invent the cuckoo clock, some written in in the 1800s, so I do not entirely believe it is a myth that has just propagated around the internet. The article is obviously WP:OR and WP:SYNTH; it would have to be rewritten and appropriately sourced. I believe the subject probably is notable if he did invent the cuckoo clock, I just don't think there's enough coverage to write an article claiming he did without WP:OR. With the coverage that I have found, the article would amount to nothing more than a short stub stating something like "Franz Ketterer was a German clockmaker who may have invented the cuckoo clock." If someone does look through Google books or elsewhere and finds even a bit more in-depth coverage, I will change my vote to keep. C F A 💬 02:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep Thanks to Cielquiparle for improving the article.
Keep and keep improving. Article was in dismal shape so have performed WP:TNT and rewritten with citations. Meets WP:GNG although the article is more about the historiography rather than a biography per se (not uncommon, the further back in history you go). While not every history mystery is worthy of a Wikipedia article, this one is because the village of Schönwald and other entities continue to promote the Franz Ketterer story. Good article to have flagged for cleanup, now we can keep improving. Cielquiparle ( talk) 08:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Messhof

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Fails notability for a biography. See talk page for prior discussion, I think anything relevant here is feasible to merge into the game articles. IgelRM ( talk) 16:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep Messhof is a single game dev, so the article passes the subject-specific notability criteria at WP:NARTIST. He "has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work". He has several independently notable games, and Ghost Bike is also likely to be notable upon release. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 19:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
A "single game dev" exception seems arbitrary. What specifically, a collective body of work? I can see Nidhogg as a two part series but Ghostbike would appear independent and WP:TOOSOON. I would create a category with the game articles. IgelRM ( talk) 13:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: Well, source 3 is two photos and captions, nothing extensive. Source 7 is mainly an interview with this person; rest used in the article are only mentions of this person... Oaktree b ( talk) 22:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I don't find anything else about this person that isn't already in the article, and the sources aren't all about this person, or are trivial coverage. Just not enough to prove notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. The subject's works are clearly the focus of multiple, reliable, independent sources, passing the general notability guideline as a creator. Our articles on his works ( Nidhogg (video game), Flywrench, Nidhogg 2) each have sources covering his role in creating them. Additionally, reliable sources have also covered his other works not independently notable, such as Punishment 2 [2] and Ghost Bike [3] [4]. There is enough reliable source coverage of these other games that they wouldn't fit in an existing article and so the developer's own article is a natural place to cover them. czar 02:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep per Czar. -- Un assiolo ( talk) 20:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Pro forma note that Czar is the article creator. What I get out of the rockpapershotgun article is that Messhof created freeware games prior to Nidhogg with a similar aesthetic. IgelRM ( talk) 13:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I also wrote the GA for Nidhogg (video game). Yes, the detail of those freeware games and the background on what became his most notable games, are why the independent article is justified to house those details. czar 04:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Agastya Nanda

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Notability is not inherited–being a member of a notable family is not an exception, infact, it is the true definition. Having asserted above, the article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR because he only started in one or two films, and not multiple. Infact, most of the sources were about the family, and not this young actor. In regards to that, there is more to draftifying and marking as promised because this is a clear issue of WP:TOOSOON. Safari Scribe^{Edits!
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Redirect to Nikhil_Nanda#Personal_life: mentioned there. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Per nom, fails WP:ACTOR also WP:GNG. Youknow? ( talk) 09:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Alexander Heid

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References, when reliable, do not provide significant coverage of the subject to meet WP:BASIC.

Rolling Stone primarily covers HackMiami, mentions Heid in passing as an organizer of the event.
Financial Times quotes Heid in relation to the 2017 Equifax data breach.
Ars Technica doesn't mention Heid in the article at all. Brandon ( talk) 05:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep, seems to meet WP:GNG per these two sources [5] [6] which give sigcov but are not cited in the article. The RollingStone could also be of support because the subject is mentioned in at least three paragraphs. But almost all sources cited in the page fail notability requirement as the subject received zero mentions. Ednabrenze ( talk) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Mohamed Ashmalee

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This subject fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:Notability (people)/Subnational politicians for the Maldives. Generally, ministers (and subordinates) there are not presumed notable. Otherwise, independent sources lack in-depth coverage on which to base an encyclopedic biography. JFHJr ( ㊟) 03:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: Cabinet ministers are generally presumed notable via WP:NPOL as national officeholder; is this ministerial position a cabinet position or is it a civil service one? Curbon7 ( talk) 04:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Looks to be civil service (appointed bureaucrat, no mention of cabinet or the like). A presumption of notability does not apply here per the subnational politicians country listing for the Maldives. JFHJr ( ㊟) 15:51, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

T. S. Chockalingam

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. A "renowned" journalist according to the page but references fall well short of showing notability. CNMall41 ( talk) 17:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep how do the sources fail to show notability? The first source is an extensive biography of the subject. The second, indicates that he was co-founder of the Tamil literary journal Manikkodi. The fourth indicates extensive role in pre-independence journalism. Other sources refer to him as an "important nationalist journalist" (p.1895) , "pioneering Tamil journalist", "revolutionary Tamil writer", "outstanding writer ... well-known journalist" (p.105). Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 11:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

You pointed out one extensive biography but the rest are as you say ("indicate"). We need in-depth coverage and not just mentions. Is there something other than the first reference that is in-depth?-- CNMall41 ( talk) 06:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

You appear unwilling to examine sources yourself, however, the onus is on you to demonstrate why the sources I've mentioned do not satisfy the GNG/BIO. Please note WP:BASIC: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." Moreover, he can be accorded presumed notability due to NPOL. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 11:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I am not sure why the pointed comments. It is as if I just came along and randomly recommended a page for deletion. I did a BEFORE and read through your links above. Mentions do not add up to notability. If you are unwilling to point out in-depth coverage, there is nothing else I can review. As far as conduct, keep in mind this is a discussion, not an argument. Please keep it corrigible. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 18:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

If you find this pointed, I apologise, but you have not addressed the responses to the nomination. Please address the P&G issues raised (BASIC, NEXIST, NPOL) and note the Indian Express archive where there is extensive SIGCOV reporting of Chockalingam. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 00:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I did address those, just obviously not to your satisfaction. And at this point, your aggressiveness is not something I am about to entertain further. I will let the AfD play out as it will.-- CNMall41 ( talk) 00:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

No personal attacks, thank you. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 01:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep per points raised by Goldsztajn, which shows the subject meets notability guidelines. And as a general comment, I'm not sure why this AfD was started only three hours after the article was created. Would have been nice to first ask the editor who created the article to address any concerns before going straight to AfD. -- SouthernNights ( talk) 14:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Draftify. I was opting for Delete as the page has poor to unreliable to unverifiable sources on the page but in light of sources on the subject's achievement by Goldsztajn, that still shows trivial coverage on the subject, I think Draftify is needed to improve the page with significant indepth coverage on the subject instead of trivial, passing coverage and entries in the sources. As of now, page fails WP:GNG and needs improvement with WP:SIGCOV in reliable and verifiable sources. RangersRus ( talk) 14:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Please be specific; which sources are "poor", "unreliable" and "unverifiable"? The three sources I analysed present in the article fit none of those descriptions. NB: WP:NEXIST. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 22:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
What three sources you analyzed that you believe does not fit none of those descriptions? RangersRus ( talk) 10:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The three sources mentioned in my keep !vote above....and, FWIW, you've asked me a question, without replying to mine. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 11:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
None of those three sources are on the page and neither one has indepth coverage on the subject. What three you analyzed on the page? Now because you said you analysed three sources on the page, you shortlisted the reliability yourself so I thought it is helpful for me to go over those specfic three if you would have mentioned. RangersRus ( talk) 11:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The sources I mentioned are the sources which appear in the first, second and fourth footnotes in the article. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 11:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Dinamani (subject was editor here), Sahapedia and Madras Musings? RangersRus ( talk) 11:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
You've still not replied to my question. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 13:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Dinamani is not a secondary independent source (subject was editor here). Sahapedia is a non-profit organization source with passing comments. Madras musings is poor with passing comments on the subject. Google book short stories (fiction) is unreliable and fails verification. Google book "in those days there was no coffee" fails verification. Pdf file by Srinivas is poor with only a passing comment (the comment also begins with "it is said that....) and the page directly copied the line from the pdf file. The last google source Tamil prose after Bharathi has no significant coverage either and all it says "Chockalingam published his magazine, Gandhi, again at a very cheap price (quarter ana). Later, he became the editor of the Dinamani. He had the skill to express ideas emotionally and with youthful verve in lively Tamil." Its same repeated on all other sources that he became editor of the Dhimani. No significant and indepth coverage on his biography, work as journalist and to be even notable as freedom fighter. RangersRus ( talk) 13:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
He died more than 50 years ago; it's not as if he exercises any control over Dinamani. Being a non-profit has no bearing on reliability. BIO, NEXIST, NPOL all indicate the thresholds for notability which are firmly established here. Best to let others express their views. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 14:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment Draftifying cannot be a substitute for deletion; the point of AfD is to determine notability, not assess the quality of an article's current content. Moreover, an article is *less* likely to be improved in draft space. Chockalingam is discussed on four pages (144, 146, 148, 157) of A. Ganesan's "The Press in Tamil Nadu and the Struggle for Freedom, 1917-1937" (1988). Finally, he satisfies WP:NPOL: he was an MLA of the Madras Presidency (p.46) Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 23:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
What is discussed on all those four pages? Are they entries or passing comment or indepth coverage? RangersRus ( talk) 10:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
His contributions to journalism are discussed. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 11:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I am not able to find it or verify it. Is the discussion indepth coverage? Entry? Passing comment? Can you verify? RangersRus ( talk) 11:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
You don't have access to Google Books? On page 144, it talks about his taking over the editorship of Dhinamani and how he increased readership. Pages 146 and 148 are not visible to me, page 157 contains a footnote discussing him starting Vandemataram in 1931, his arrest for civil disobedience, the effect on the newspaper and him starting as editor at Dhinamani in 1935. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 11:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I am looking for indepth coverage on the subject as journalist, writer and freedom fighter like the lead says but I am just finding passing comments. You said "Chockalingam is discussed in four pages (144, 146, 148, 157)" but you are not able to verify page 146 and 148. I was able to check 144 and 157 and there is no discussion of indepth coverage here but passing comments. Page 144 says "Chockalingam Pillai became the editor of the Dinamani in 1935. Under his editorship the paper's circulation increased to 11,000 in 1936." Page 157 says "Chockalingam Pillai started the Vandemataram in 21 September, 1931. He was arrested for his active part in civil disobedience. Due to his inability to pay security the paper ceased publication security." These do not help with the coverage needed on a journalist, writer and freedom fighter. Is there any indepth coverage on him as freedom fighter? RangersRus ( talk) 12:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Why does there need to be indepth coverage of him as a freedom fighter? He already clearly satisfies NPOL and BIO. Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 13:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I do not see any significant indepth coverage on his biography in the sources and now you mentioned politician that is no where referred on the page with no sources either. RangersRus ( talk) 14:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The reference to him being an MLA is linked above. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 14:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I was evaluating what was on the page. Source about on page 46 has an entry only and no WP:SIGCOV as politician. I will have others say on all this discussion. RangersRus ( talk) 14:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: In regards to the discussion above, per the notability guidelines for people "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." It appears there is in-depth coverage of Chockalingam but most of that isn't in English ( here's an example of such a book). However, there is still plenty of coverage in English to prove notability, especially by combining reliable sources per the above guideline. For example, I just added a citation to the article from The Guardian which said Chockalingam was a "pioneering Tamil journalist," while the Encyclopaedia of Indian Literature described him as one of the most important nationalist journalists in Tamil. -- SouthernNights ( talk) 14:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep per Goldsztajn and SouthernNights. -- Un assiolo ( talk) 20:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment Google Books has an archive of the Indian Express from the 1930s, a simple search reveals extensive coverage of Chockalingam's role in journalism, Tamil language promotion, politics and the Freedom Movement. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 23:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I checked all pages from 1930s but do not see "extensive coverage of Chockalingam's role in journalism, Tamil language promotion, politics and the Freedom Movement." RangersRus ( talk) 00:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Here's three I found in a two minute search: "Not Advisable To Call Off Satyagraha. Reply To Critics Of Congress Policy. Reception to Mr Chockalingam" (12 August 1941), "Gandhism Alone Will Lead Us To Final Victory, Mr Chockalingam Replies to Critics of Satyagraha" (27 October 1941), Case Against City Editors, Prosecution Witnesses Examined (27 March 1945). Regards, Goldsztajn ( talk) 02:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment 125 page overview of Chockalingam's life and works (ISBN 8126020997) written in 2005 by Pon Dhanasekaran, includes seven pages of biography (pp.9-16). Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 03:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Haliey Welch

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Latest viral meme, very WP:BIO1E. WP:TOOSOON to tell if this is lasting. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Draft: I guess, this is likely TOOSOON, but it's got decent enough sourcing. Time will tell if it's notable or not. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I am amenable to this WP:ATD. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Why did you copy my draft? I created this page first User:UtherSRG Comintell ( talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Sorry confused you with User:BullDawg2021 Comintell ( talk) 19:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I created the draft first Comintell ( talk) 19:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Sorry about that. I had no idea that you also created a draft. BullDawg2021 ( talk) 19:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete or Draftify per nom - WP:BIO1E, but possible WP:TOOSOON. KylieTastic ( talk) 18:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I created this article first and it's already in drafts and was submitted to AfC. Edit history proves I created the draft first. It's current in draft space. user basically copied my draft Comintell ( talk) 19:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

As Comintell did create first at the article is now a copy-paste of that draft Draftify no longer makes any sense. Also I agree if kept it should be as "Hawk Tuah" not Hailey/Haliey Welch, and as BullDawg2021 has accepted Comintell as the creator it would be best to delete this as move Draft:Hailey Welch to Hawk Tuah to keep creator attribution. KylieTastic ( talk) 09:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment. Her name is Hailey Welch, and I created this page fitst and submitted through AfC. Draft:Hailey Welch

The user paraphrased much of my draft, and changed the name because my draft already existed. THIS is incredibly disingenuous.

To clarify. If you read my draft, I think you will see that Welch DOES qualify for notability, specifically because of sustained significant coverage over the last month, and her pivioting into a career and getting mentored by Shaq. I can't believe this UtherSRG basically copied my draft and moved it to mainspace with a spelling error in the name Comintell ( talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Super suspicious that this article says "Often misspelled as Hailey Welch" When All reliable sources cite her name to be Hailey Welch Comintell ( talk) 19:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Please go to her social medias. Her name is Haliey Welch. BullDawg2021 ( talk) 19:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Rdirect or merge: Draft:Hailey_Welch: I created this page first. Technically this qualifies as speedy delete under WP:A10 Comintell ( talk) 19:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
As can be seen by the edit history on this article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Haliey_Welch&action=history the page was created 13 minutes after I created the inital draft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Draft:Hailey_Welch&action=history Comintell ( talk) 19:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Please assume good faith. I had no idea you created a draft. Also, you spelt her name wrong. BullDawg2021 ( talk) 19:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Where is your source for this? My article was much more detailed. You literally copied the same flow of facts as I did. What source spells her name this way. Every single reliable source says her name is Hailey. Sure I will assume good faith, but you shouldn't have been permitted to create this article Comintell ( talk) 19:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Please calm down. Her name is Haliey Welch. You are blowing this way out of proportion. I did not copy you. BullDawg2021 ( talk) 19:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
To the both of you: there are established procedures in place to preserve the page histories and authorial credits. If this article is kept and you continue the article improvement process, both of you should receive the appropriate credits for things like DYK, etc. I suggest you put aside your differences and work together, not against each other. Viriditas ( talk) 20:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
- @ Comintell and BullDawg2021: Both of you need to stop edit-warring on this article. jp× g 🗯️ 06:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Absurd as it may seem, the phenomenon has started to gather coverage in reliable sources and move from mere Tiktok gag into a Let's Go Brandon-style cultural moment. Here's eg Slate, 7News, Rolling Stone. That said, this likely belongs under Hawk Tuah, not under Ms Welch's name. Jpatokal ( talk) 21:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - Keep per Jpatokal, or redirect to either Zach Bryan or Shaquille O'Neal. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 21:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Please see my comment in the discussion Comintell ( talk) 22:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Reply - @ Comintell:, come again? -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 17:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - Even if the meme is receiving media coverage, one single TikTok meme is hardly enough to provide notability for a person. WP:1E comes to mind as this person really has no other claims to notability. Di (they-them) ( talk) 04:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete or Draftify: There is not only the fact that the nominator is correct, there are two "competing" drafts, both containing overlapping information. Since it is WP:TOOSOON both draft creators should work together in Draft space to create one draft which may become appropriate to accept when the subject meets WP:BIO which I am not persuaded thsat it does currently 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I wouldn't be opposed to that. BullDawg2021 ( talk) 06:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Yea, @ BullDawg2021 I'm sorry that I got so protective and frustrated. Even assuming good faith, this was a frustrating experience for me and I'm sorry if I came off as aggressive or un collaborative. Comintell ( talk) 06:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment on the purely clerical issue here: there seem to be two pages here, Draft:Hailey Welch (created 2024-07-02T20:47:03) and Haliey Welch (created 2024-07-02T21:54:54‎). The overlap between both articles is fairly significant. I don't know to what extent one was copied from the other, but it seems like this may be worthy of later consideration in some other venue (assuming this is kept, otherwise there is no point). jp× g 🗯️ 06:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. Notable for making a joke on a street interview? This is the epitome of people notable for only one event. It's possible the event (the joke itself (Hawk Tuah)) is notable, though even that is too soon to tell imo. ato— mic 06:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Reminder: There are two issues at play here, whether the "Hawk Tuah" event meets WP:GNG (based on the amount of reliable sources garnered, probably yes) and whether Ms. Welch herself is notable (probably no, it's hard to dispute that this is WP:BIO1E). If you're suggesting that this article be deleted entirely, please clarify your stance on both these points. Jpatokal ( talk) 09:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per WP:BIO1E Celjski Grad ( talk) 09:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: Creating an article for the notable controversy or Hawk Tuah event will solve this problem. Clearly, this is a problem of WP:TOOSOON for the subject, as well as WP:BIO1E. In such a situation, there is only one way out–having an article about the popular word, "Hawk Tuah", and the influencer (not yet meeting WP:ENT) will redirect to the article. We don't need to argue on an article and a existing draft; it isn't necessary here. Who can/will create the event's article, and save us this stress? Safari Scribe^{Edits!
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I agree with this. The person herself obviously falls under WP:TOOSOON ( WP:1E), but an article about the phenomenon/trend is much more suitable. There's definitely enough coverage in WP:RS for this. I think a lot of people voting delete here are simply saying WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Many TikTok trends (no exception here) do receive lots of reliable media coverage and do meet WP:NEVENT/GNG. I hope editors start to realize this — it's not 2010 anymore. C F A 💬 01:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
2010? Hilarious. "Every generation thinks they invented sex". I created the article on Pinky the Cat a viral video from 1992. Viriditas ( talk) 01:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Comintell, why not create the event with this energy of dragging having your draft and a post mainspace move by another editor? Safari Scribe^{Edits!
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Of course it is notable. Publish the story, under EITHER title to eventually be personalized if she becomes more famous. Thank you, either way likely a Hawk Tuah page is indeed coming to Wikipedia, especially if this story expands further. Thanks again, can't wait to see the page that IS coming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.137.161 ( talk) 13:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Article is well-cited, subject is notable. I get that memes are not the most encyclopedic topic, but this one definitely meets the criteria at WP:SIGCOV. 162 etc. ( talk) 19:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. There is nothing notable about this subject. I watched the original video, the interview, and read the sources. There is literally nothing there. Her entire claim to fame consists of expressing her enthusiasm for fellatio. That's it, nothing else. I watched her entire interview that was published the other day, hoping for something, anything, that I could glom onto and say, that's something we should have an article about. There's nothing. She likes to use saliva as lubrication during oral sex. That's the entirety of her notability. Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, and she seems like a very sweet young lady, but how do we write a biography about this? We can't. Viriditas ( talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The criteria for deciding notability is WP:GNG, not WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Jpatokal ( talk) 21:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I didn't say I didn't like it. I said there's nothing encyclopedic about the subject. The entire article is a promotional advertising campaign for Welch by her management team who are trying to capitalize on a five second joke she told on social media. This has the longevity of a mayfly. She isn't notable for doing anything. Yes, the video went viral, but Welch was only one of a dozen random subjects interviewed by Tim & Dee TV, which itself isn't even notable. There's nothing here. Nobody will know who she is next week. Viriditas ( talk) 21:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The articles written about her by The Guardian, Vanity Fair, People, Forbes, etc. etc., will certainly still be there next week. A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. 162 etc. ( talk) 22:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Warhol was right: "In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes." Welch even alludes to that in the Guardian article. There's nothing here to write about. "Haliey Welch is a young woman who was randomly interviewed in the middle of the street and made a joke about fellatio. A video of her went viral, and she was soon approached by an agent who sought to capitalize upon her sexual-themed joke by making clothing with her name on it." That's what we're doing now? Viriditas ( talk) 22:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

All of this coverage calls her 'Hawk Tuah Girl'. Unless she starts a show, becomes a musician, etc, and receives coverage unrelated to Hawk Tuah, this is WP:1E ato— mic 23:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Viriditas's prediction "Nobody will know who she is next week" (above) is commendably free of hedging, obscurantism, waffle. Let this AfD run on until next week, and then reconsider. The article will then live or die; either way, this AfD (with its miscellaneous expressions of indignation) will survive "for ever". -- Hoary ( talk) 22:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I want a "like" button, @ Hoary!!! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The early filmmakers of the 20th century and the former journalists of MTV News would like a word. The topic of media preservation is one of the most depressing ever. Nothing lasts, everything fades away. Consider, if you will, the Silurian hypothesis. In the far future, nobody will ever know you or I existed. People like to think they are making their lasting mark on the world, but it's a bedtime story we tell ourselves to keep the terror of the dark at bay. Viriditas ( talk) 21:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. We've kind of got two subjects there: 1) Haliey Welch and 2) the Hawk Tuah meme. There's already a lot of good coverage and it's highly likely coverage of one or both will be lasting. There's something notable here. Similar memes and figures that come to mind are The Crazy Nastyass Honey Badger and Jenn Sterger. Tiffany Gomes, aka the "Crazy Plane Lady", is still getting coverage a year after her initial internet meme moment. Surprised there isn't an article about her. Probably should be. Jweiss11 ( talk) 07:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Jenn Sterger's article is a biographical page discussing her successful careers in television, modeling, and writing. Where is the comparison? Vanilla Wizard 💙 03:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Read the article.

"Sterger and Catherine Perry (who later gained fame in WWE under the ringname Lana) were among a group of friends called the FSU Cowgirls, known for wearing skimpy clothing and cowboy hats to football games. She first came to attention when she was shown during a 2005 Florida State– Miami football game televised on ABC Sports. On seeing the shot, announcer Brent Musburger commented on-air that "1,500 red-blooded Americans just decided to apply to Florida State.""

She gained fame in a similar manner to Haliey Welch. RTredwell ( talk) 14:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Point being? Jenn Sterger actually went on to become a notable person in her own right. If she and her friend were only known as "the FSU cowgirls", a subject that has no article on the encyclopedia, neither she nor her friend would have articles either. Sterger has an article because she gained further notability as a journalist, television personality, and model, enough to justify a BLP page. This article is just the short story of how someone's impromptu joke became a viral moment and she quickly cashed in and got to hang out with a few celebrities as a result. Vanilla Wizard 💙 15:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
You asked what the comparison is, I explained it to you. RTredwell ( talk) 18:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
RTredwell, yeah, thanks for your explanation. That was my thinking. Obviously Sterger has had something of sustained notable career, and it's too early to tell if Welch will. But it's worth noting that the article for Sterger was created on February 11, 2006, before she had had much of that career, and after she was known almost entirely for being a memetic hot chick who happened to get on national TV at a football game. Jweiss11 ( talk) 07:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete Too soon; for now, likely fleeting WP:BLP1E. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Draftify and move to the incident rather then the person to comply with WP:BIO1E -1ctinus📝 🗨 21:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete and adding that if this page is kept in any form, it should be exclusively about the meme, not the person. The person is not a suitable subject for a biographical article. This is a textbook example of WP:BLP1E. The meme itself is highly unlikely to have any enduring notability. Vanilla Wizard 💙 02:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

also feel like it's worth noting this may be a rare example of a situation where WP:NOTNEWS ( WP:ENDURING) is actually potentially applicable in a deletion discussion. A significant percent of what's here is just a description of the subject's fifteen minutes of fame, just listing out every time the subject has appeared near another celebrity in the last few weeks. There's not exactly a lot of encyclopedic material to salvage here. Should also mention that not all of the sources in the article are quality sources. There's a handful of reliable ones, but TMZ, Times of India, Dexerto, and Distractify are not. I'm not convinced a page about the meme itself is justified. Vanilla Wizard 💙 04:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Why do you think the meme is unlikely to have any enduring notability? What makes you think you can predict what will be popular in the future? It's impossible to predict the future. RTredwell ( talk) 04:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

It's WP:TOOSOON to properly assess if it meets the criteria on enduring notability, too soon for this to be a mainspace article. Vanilla Wizard 💙 04:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

That said, I agree with LilianaUwU's comments below that draftifying can be an acceptable outcome, too. I don't think this page is ready to be in mainspace. But it is not impossible that the meme/catchphrase could be article-worthy at some point in the future, and there's no harm in incubating it in draftspace as a work-in-progress. The page will need a lot of reworking, anyways; there seems to be little disagreement that the page should just be about the "hawk tuah" phrase — this cannot exist as a BLP page about Haliey Welch. Consider this a delete as first preference, draftify as second preference !vote. Vanilla Wizard 💙 00:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. or merge into an article about the meme itself if it does not meet notability guidelines for a biography. The meme has gained massive coverage and notability, and this article cites numerous reliable secondary sources. Thousands of people are looking up Hawk Tuah Girl daily looking for a Wikipedia article on the subject, they should be provided with one. RTredwell ( talk) 03:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete : Definitely the case of WP:BLP1E and may be WP:TOOSOON at best. So I'd suggest to delete this and see this notability is sustained, but definitely delete for now. Coderzombie ( talk) 06:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - Whether we like it or not, she is notable per WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Extensive and continued media coverage as well. BabbaQ ( talk) 21:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete (or draftify, see below) per common sense, and the ten-year test. No one will remember this in 10 years. LilianaUwU ^{(
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With that said... I'd be down with the idea of having an article on the meme rather than the woman behind it, considering BLP1E and all that. The meme has gotten loads of coverage and will be remembered. So... perhaps draftify, maybe? LilianaUwU ^{(
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Keep - We are not here to judge worthiness; we are here to judge whether a topic has been the object of multiple, independently-published, instances of significant coverage in sources which are presumably reliable. This fits the bill. GNG pass from sources showing in the footnotes. Carrite ( talk) 22:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Extensive media coverage. Too soon to delete; nominator's argument that this will not have lasting notability is WP:CRYSTALBALL. — Lowellian ( reply) 00:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Move to Hawk-Tuah I think it's pretty clear that WP:BLP1E applies to Hailey Welch's article since well they are famous for one thing and one thing only as of the present day, most of the coverage is in the context of the meme not the person itself and I think we should have a article about the meme rather than the person themselves. Sohom ( talk) 13:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment Anyone considering whether to keep or delete this page, should look at the original draft, Draft:Hailey Welch which has been expanded is formatted properly.

Comintell ( talk) 19:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Come on. The problem isn't with the formatting, it's with the article being about the person rather than the event. LilianaUwU ^{(
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As my draft was updated to note, she is in talks to get a reality TV show about her life, and further, the Hawk Tuah phrase origins are disputed, with many sources citing that Welch is garnering interest as an individual and public figure. I was just saying. Comintell ( talk) 00:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete Maybe recreate this if the news is somehow still obsessed with her in a few months. I'm pretty sure there's just going to be a deluge of articles for the next few days and then none at all. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 01:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep This girl is essentially Bhad Bhabie/"Cash Me Outside Girl" (who unfortunately also recently made tragic news) for Zoomers instead of Millennials. She is more notable than some other articles.-- ~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 02:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per WP:BIO1E. Zinderboff( talk) 06:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Rizwan Sajan

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fails GNG in the sense that the sourcing presented is either not indepdenent or not significant coverage. Indication of COI. See previous account creators are blocked. CresiaBilli ( talk) 08:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: This article seems to pop up every six months... Still not notable, with nothing found in RS. What's used now for sourcing are still in un-RS. Oaktree b ( talk) 12:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, falls below all relevant notability requirement. The only credible source I could find is Forbes India other than that all other sources are either interview or primary sources. Ednabrenze ( talk) 19:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Seems like this subject just can't muster enough reliable sources, maybe it's time to say goodbye to this article. Waqar 💬 18:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Finley Jeffrey

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Article created by user with COI. Immediately PRODed, but unPRODed by same user with no explanation. BLP has many "citation needed" tags and the only two citations present do not appear to be independent and reliable. Subject shows no notability. GoldRomean ( talk) 00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Gseach is straight to social media, then not much else pops up. Flowery wording, but nothing found in sources to support the claims made. Lack of sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete The subject fails WP:SINGER and the two cited sources do not establish notability. Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: This article reads like an advertisement and doesn't provide any credible sources to back up its claims. It seems promotional rather than informative. Waqar 💬 18:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Prashanth Venkataramanujam

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Non-notable BLP. Sources relate either to Patriot Act or Hasan Minhaj. – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(
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Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj, you mean? And he might mean WP:CREATIVE as creator/writer of this series... - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:07, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Howard Lerner

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Reviewed during NPP. No indicatiob of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Basic resume type material. Was a journalist, then started a coffee house, then a coffee flavoring company and now runs a web design company. The closest thing to a GNG references is (circa now) #3 which is an interview. #1 is a bio on his employer's web site, #2 appears to be a self-written bio. Tagged by others for notability since January. North8000 ( talk) 18:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Tax accountant, a doctor and an obituary for three unrelated people are what I find... Nothing about this individual, who appears to have had a rather routine life. I don't see why he's notable. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete I find a fair amount about the coffee shop he founded, but much of that is about later owners/managers. There is the local article when he sells his share of the business (which I can only partially see), but that's not enough for GNG. Lamona ( talk) 03:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

St. Silas Abba

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There are only two sources backing this article: the first one is not to be found, while the second one refers to St. Silas instead. I suspect this person to be fictitious, and the article possibly a prank. Lone-078 ( talk) 18:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete I'm not finding anything, and there is evidence of a hoax - some versions of the article have the same content but list different names and places (e.g. a Frenchman based at Arles). Lamona ( talk) 03:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete The [7] official list of bishops of Ravenna does not include an entry for the years 1352-1361. It seems Petrocino was elected bishop of Ravenna in 1352 but only consecrated in 1362, per this biography, hence the gap. This is a textbook WP:HOAX. Broc ( talk) 10:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Faris Mannekkara

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Likely to fail WP:NBIO - sourced to PR/puff pieces.
Earlier draft: Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara KH-1 ( talk) 00:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete The editor who wrote this article made a Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara on 08:13, 22 June 2024 and kept it and later made a new article with a slight change in the title, which is a wrong trend and does not prove WP:NBIO. ~ Spworld2 ( talk) 04:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Although the editor who made this page did a mistake by creating a draft and then again creating it into the main space, maybe he is a newbie that's why....but if we look at the person's page, he was awarded the community Leader Award from the Kerala State Women's Development Corporation which is a state award from the person's home state which is in Kerala and the Fulbright Foundation’s Global Changemaker Award in 2023 which is a International award given by the US Government which i believe at least qualify the award category of the people's notability guidelines according to the guidelines written in Wikipedia. This guy also has a significant coverage in The Times of India, Economics Times , Ahmedabad Mirror which i believe is considered reliable in Wikipedia. So we have 2 of the 3 basic criteria except the national dictionary thing ....also While reading the content of these articles i don't see any kind of sponsored post written or a disclaimer in the news coverage these are just my analysis. SATavr ( talk) 16:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
It may be ignorance / new editor who wrote the draft and then made a new page, but destroyed the first edits in the first draft and deleted it in a completely unrecognizable form, added another person to it and added it to his date of birth and created a misunderstanding because of lack of knowledge?? Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara Difference between revisions [8], Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara 2nd Difference between revisions [9] Spworld2 ( talk) 06:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes, I do agree with you. It was a stupid mistake done by this new editor and i think he lacks the patience for it and just wanted to go directly with a shortcut way for publication. Thats why he change the draft content to a different person and he thought we would'nt know lol..... I believe he has learned a lesson not to do it again and i hope he has got to know that things doesnt workout like this. SATavr ( talk) 09:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep A before search comes up with many sources. (e.g. [ 1] [ 2]. Numerous articles featuring the names appear, the most of them in Hindi and English. Tiger-in-Action ( talk) 08:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

PR/churnalism doesn’t count. Both articles are just advertorials for his car company.- KH-1 ( talk) 10:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Yes, these are articles about his secondary car company but this information is rarely mentioned on his Wikipedia page. There is no disclaimer that these stories are autogenerated, which is usually noted. It also mentions the publisher’s name, Sunil Chaurasia in The Economic Times. The main articles covering his social work don’t seem to be PR or churnalism. They contain original research work, such as his involvement and detailed coverage with the Smiles Foundation or Sankesh Foundation - [3] which is covered in the Ahmedabad Mirror. Another example is his relationship with Shyalash C, his mentor, which isn't mentioned on his Wikipedia page but is confirmed as original research in Punjab Kesari - [4]. Tiger-in-Action ( talk) 09:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Stella Assange

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Subject fails WP:ANYBIO. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Any coverage of her that would be used to establish notability is only in the context of her relationship with Julian Assange, including the sourcing currently in the article. She is not independently notable. Longhornsg ( talk) 19:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: Stella Assange just spent the last 13 years of her life securing Julian Assange's freedom. This represents a significant legal victory, and indeed, would be considered a considerable career achievement for any attorney. The fact that she is also Julian's wife does not detract from the significance or notability of this accomplishment. Were Stella only Julian's wife and not his attorney, I'd agree that she's not independently notable. However, her legal accomplishment is what makes her notable, rather than her marital status. If you were to strip away the fact that she's Assange's wife, then it seems you'd have to admit that her legal accomplishments and advocacy make her notable. Ben.Gowar ( talk) 20:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: coverage is strictly sourced to Julian Assange articles, or to stories about their family. I don't see notability outside of the Julian Assange connection, so nothing needing an article. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: A factual article about a notable woman. Published author. Sourced and referenced. Wikipedia stop eating your tail and deleting good encyclopaedic content. Firefishy ( talk) 01:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - sources are third party and reliable. Her work is source checked and notable. Per WP:GNG. BabbaQ ( talk) 08:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep Article is well referenced, enough to pass the WP:SIGCOV bar. A. Randomdude0000 ( talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. None of the keep votes substantively address that the coverage of Stella Assange is not independently but due to her relationship with Julian Assange. Longhornsg ( talk) 19:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
My Keep vote certainly does. You emphasize "her relationship" while failing to acknowledge that the aforementioned relationship is one of attorney-client. She has won a significant victory in helping Julian Assange gain his freedom. The press has treated this as a historic event. You act like she did no work to win this battle and is merely garnering attention because she is the spouse of someone famous. This page has nearly 700,000 views. It should not be deleted. People want information on this attorney. Ben.Gowar ( talk) 03:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. There are certainly articles where she is the primary focus, rather than Julian Assange, so she may not fail on WP:ANYBIO. Also, I buy the argument that she is a lawyer and author. Agreed, the subject of her work is primarily a well-known guy who happens to be her husband, but this doesn't negate her work. Even without this, she might pass under the description of WP:NOTINHERITED where it says, Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG., based on previous observation that there are articles specifically about her. David Malone ( talk) 19:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. I am not an expert on wikilawyering, but the article appears to add nothing to the Julian Assange article (his legal fight and personal life). BorisG ( talk) 20:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The article is on Stella Assange. It is a biography that contains information on her early life and education (in addition to her career). Though there is some overlap between this article and the article on Julian Assange, you would anticipate such an overlap between any two biographies on closely related people. Nevertheless, there is indeed additional information in this article about Stella Assange. You seem to have ignored this and fixated on Julian. Ben.Gowar ( talk) 01:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep First, passes the GNG, there's clearly sources which focus on the subject herself: Stella Moris on her secret family with Julian Assange: ‘He’s unlike anyone I have ever met’ (The Guardian, 16 October 2021), Stella Assange calls on journalists to use FOI system to obtain details on WikiLeaks case (UPI, 27 June 2024). Second, acknowledging that part of the interest in the subject derives from her relationship with Julian Assange, that in itself is not reason not to have an article given the amount of detail on the subject of her role in the campaign to have Assange released, WP:OKFORK. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 07:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003)

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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 ( talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 ( talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 ( talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Doesn't appear on the cricket delsort - tryingto add that again first Blue Square Thing ( talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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At worst this is an obvious redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players where his name needs to be added. A note should also be added, as has been done for others. Beyond that I have no particular view here - there are some sources, but not so many. I suspect he is likely to be covered in others as well fwiw Blue Square Thing ( talk) 05:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. He does not meet GNG - this is the one qualifying source. Gloscricket is obviously not independent coverage. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete, but he may be notable in the future, i.e. WP:NOTNOW. SWinxy ( talk) 01:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
@ SWinxy, in this case, wouldn't a redirect be more appropriate? That way, if he becomes notable in the future, someone won't have to start the article from scratch. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep, borderline decision but given the rhythms and vagaries of the English county cricket season we are approaching the part where younger players are used to a greater extent, precisely the time this page will be useful to people who follow the game to refer to. Hildreth Gazzard ( talk) 06:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Prince Karl of Hesse

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Fails WP:GNG. Sources include passing mentions in a couple of books about other people and a self-published fansite. DrKay ( talk) 14:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. References add up to enough to pass GNG. The coverage of his wedding in 1966 by Pathé News, a British newsreel company, was the equivalent of coverage by network television news today. The book references are way more than passing mentions, and the subject doesn't have to be the primary topic of a book for it to be a valid reference. Being a German aristocrat is not by itself enough to establish notability, but an aristocrat who attracts consistent media attention can be notable. Interestingly, the German Wikipedia doesn't have an article on him, but the French and Dutch ones do. Someone who reads German might be able to find additional references. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Just sources are just about sufficient for general notability. Cortador ( talk) 21:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Enough sources to pass notability. Azarctic ( talk) 11:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. The wedding might be notable as a news event, but all the other citations are books about other people (Queen Sophia or the Nazi Hesses) or directories. Celia Homeford ( talk) 09:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete The only item that get somehow significant coverage was his marriage. Therefore this is a case for WP:ONEEVENT and this only got attention because of the attending guests, not the couple itself. So, no notability. -- Theoreticalmawi ( talk) 15:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep The several book notices of the subject pass WP:Basic. Axisstroke ( talk) 20:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I wonder how you come to "serveral" book notices? 2 of the 4 books (with one listed double) are simple name directories, one is covering his father (with one trivial mention, that his father choosed the name "Adolf" for him to honor Adolf Hitler). I was not able to get access to the fourth book but given the sourced information and the title of the book, his coverage there is not substantial either. So, there is at maximum one book, which is very clearly about a differnt person. How can this add up to "significant coverage"? -- Theoreticalmawi ( talk) 08:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Meets at least WP:Basic. The fact that the wedding was attended by notable people is an indication of societal notability which also attracted media attention. And being cited in multiple books is an indication of notability even if he is not the subject of those books. Ednabrenze ( talk) 06:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete seems notable for only one event, with a sprinkling of passing mentions. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 06:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Moruf Oseni

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Procedural nom following the discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 June 19 where consensus was that the speedy wasn't the right outcome, but did not necessarily find support for retention and the outcome was for an AfD to establish consensus. Note I have dropped the protection to ECP to allow established editors to improve the article if they feel so inclined as it didn't feel right to have a fully protected article at AfD. However if p-blocks or other solutions are needed, feel free to implement them. I have not protected the AfD out of hope that all editors will work productively. Star Mississippi 13:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Pinging @ BoraVoro:, who has been fighting the relentless efforts from COI/SPAs to prematurely undraftify this page. Owen× ☎ 14:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

What is the main issue with the page? Are other editors citing any apart from the G11 on the Achievements and Awards section mentioned in the deletion review? @ Star Mississippi Michael Ugbodu ( talk) 23:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I have no opinion on the merit @ Michael Ugbodu, I just nominated it as the outcome of the DRV. Star Mississippi 01:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Tentative cautious keep. It appears this article has a history of ping-ponging between draft space and mainspace, with promotional tone, COI/UPE(?) editing issues, and initially unclear claims of significance/notability. As such it deserves scrutiny. (As an aside, it sounded from DRV there might be information about this on the article's talk page, but this has not been undeleted). That said, earlier this month Michael Ugbodu (who I understand may be an involved editor?) added additional sources which point to achievements and awards that present a credible assertion of significance. In such cases, there are sometimes concerns if the sourcing (and awards) themselves are sufficiently independent, i.e. editorially independent vs regurgitating primary sources only. I'm not familiar with Nigerian sourcing, so don't have a good opinion on this. However, while the process followed with this article has been irregular and far from good practice, absent credible assertions to the contrary, it does seem there is adequate 3rd party coverage, sourcing, and notability to warrant an article. Martinp ( talk) 11:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks for flagging the lack of talk page @ Martinp. Oversight on my part. It's now undeleted Star Mississippi 12:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Now that I've reviewed the talk page, and read the DRV in more detail, I'm changing to delete, send back to draft and enforce requiring using WP:AFC to recreate by any COI editors. I applaud @ Michael Ugbodu for their clear statement of COI on the talk page, and for hunting up promising sources. However, paid editing COI should also be listed on the editor's user talk page, and paid-COI article drafts are indeed supposed to go through WP:AFC, not be promoted into mainspace by a COI editor. This is not just bureaucracy, it is exactly there where independence of sources, article bias, etc can be reviewed best, insulating from the fact that a paid-COI editor has much more energy to argue than uncompensated volunteers if there is any debate. We've now had (at least) multiple days at DRV and now 2.5 days here where no-one independent has truly investigated notability and independence of the secondary sources used. Given the COI, this is a must, and while it may be frustrating to a paid editor and their client to have to wait, it would equally be unfair to keep this article in mainspace absent someone independent, experienced with local (Nigerian) sourcing, to verify, jumping the queue vs other paid articles that are going through the (admittedly clogged) AFC pipeline. I'm happy to change my vote if someone independent does investigate those sources during the rest of this AFD. Martinp ( talk) 22:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

We need to come to a consensus on the main issues with the page. The sources for the awards section are all newspaper sources and not primary sources, so can be considered credible. However, I think the second paragraph on the achievements section can be better written or scrapped as it sounds promotional.

Let's hear what others think as well. Michael Ugbodu ( talk) 22:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

It's trickier, Michael. We have a lot of trouble with CV-like COI articles which do use secondary (newspaper) sources, but they are not sufficiently independent of the article subject. I'm (probably) not notable in wikispeak, but would not become so just because I persuaded a newspaper (or two) to run an article where they just parroted what I told them. That's why we need someone who doesn't have a COI to look into that (I can't, since I know nothing about Nigerian newspaper writing habits!) Martinp ( talk) 22:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Julio Foolio

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No indication of awards or charted songs. No notable biographical details prior to his death. Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete we don't need every ganga rapper who have been shot dead. Not notable enough — Iadmc ♫^talk 11:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply

if you actually do research you would now he has bean a notable artist in Florida since about 2018 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 ( talk) 19:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC) - — 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

Delete: Doesn't pass musical notability; coverage is only about his death. I gave up after 20 pages in Gnews trying to find mentions of him before his passing. Simply not a notable performer. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida. Jattlife121 ( talk) 20:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep this page, definitely. I have known about this rapper for years, and I am not a big rap fan. The fact that he has been known for so long indicates notability. Dag21902190 ( talk) 12:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. Another no-name rapper whose death has made more headlines than his (non-notable) music. Dead rappers always make headlines no matter how obscure they are. Changing vote to keep after performing article cleanup. There is considerable coverage about the subject, but it's mainly about his role in the Jville gang wars while his actual music career is virtually irrelevant. Would also like to see primary SoundCloud citations replaced with reliable sources. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 21:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Agreed. We need to keep this up. STGInfo ( talk) 14:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment Perhaps this article should be about his death? It got major coverage in many major outlets. Thriley ( talk) 22:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida especially in Jacksonville and through the south. He has many notations in different news articles. Foolio is also is featured on Pimp of the Nation album by Natalac Featuring international recording artist sean paul, grammy award winning Project Pat, Three 6 Mafia Member La Chat, Pastor Troy, Ying Yang Twins, Keak da Sneak to name a few who all are very Notable rappers Yameka ( talk) 03:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

His death is certainly covered but his music and life? We need sources for these.@ Yameka — Iadmc ♫^talk 06:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sources

https://www.abnewswire.com/pressreleases/pimp-of-the-nation-a-sensational-new-hiphop-album-by-natalac-to-be-released-on-presidents-day-2192018_184054.html Yameka ( talk) 00:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yameka ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654

https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654#credits

https://www.makinitmag.com/updates/natalac/2018/03/djs-says-natalac-pimp-nation-lp-classic-material

https://g.co/kgs/m6zgJcJ

Also there are Radio Edit and Explicit versions released Pimp of the Nation & Pimp of the Nation (Radio Edit)

This project was released Presidents Day 2018 aka feb 19th 2018 in hard copies throughout the south and online on all platforms Yameka ( talk) 23:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sources

News Article .. First Coast News contacted Jacksonville Rapper Natalac and got his and the sheriff of Jacksonville input on Julio Foolio outcome. Natalac with his decades of experince with Hip Hop & younger rappers he worked with through messages through music.. he chose Foolio for his 11th Studio Album with grammy award winners etc. with their song Bridge This Gap a song to send a positive message. On natalac Pimp of the Nation. going by this article

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbEiSj5yhHA

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/jacksonville-rapper-natalac-experience-with-foolio/77-6c775f01-b3bf-4232-8611-36190b187882 Yameka ( talk) 00:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Yameka Don't double or triple-vote, please. Bremps ... 04:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

ok i fixed that. Good day Yameka ( talk) 07:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: Artist is fails notability guidelines. There's barely any coverage I could find apart from his death. ~~I do think we could have an article about his death like @ Thriley suggested, though.~~ DaCrashy ( T. C.) 16:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Please see WP:ONEEVENT. -- Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment Interesting how all the “keep” votes are repeating the “he’s notable because he’s from Florida” mantra, and verbatim to boot (“Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida”). Florida does not represent the entire country. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 19:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Or indeed the world! — Iadmc ♫^talk 04:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. While BIO1E and 1E are extremely important these don't apply here. Wikipedians apply these too much after violent deaths. In a way this makes sense. It's an unusual feature. Still, we should work by policy and guidelines. The keep is by GNG. gidonb ( talk) 15:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep per WP:GNG. Foolio was the subject of multiple independent coverage even before his death. In 2019, Vulture.com, in reviewing Never Wanted Fame, wrote the mixtape "establishes Foolio as one of the most gripping, irresistible rappers working today." In 2021, Vice credited Foolio, along with Yungeen Ace, as playing a leading role in popularizing rap versions of pop songs. His feuds with other rappers have been covered by Atlanta Black Star [10] among others, and he received significant coverage in a 2021 Complex.com article on the Jacksonville rap community. [11]. Police blotter news articles about his shootings and death can fill in the gaps for a concise, neutral, and fair biography that is fully compliant with all WP policies. --Animalparty! ( talk) 17:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - no point in creating an article for someone who was irrelevant as a rapper when alive and a gangster 103.75.195.51 ( talk) 02:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The majority does seem to find his article valid in this discussion. Although opinion and guidelines are two different things I understand. 2600:1005:A017:1BB:A844:C313:B47E:CA62 ( talk) 19:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep The article has been significantly improved since nomination. Passes GNG. Thriley ( talk) 04:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I've spent the past hour removing all the original research and unsourced content shovelled in yesterday as part of the "improvement". Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I still think he meets GNG based on the material Animalparty collected. Thriley ( talk) 15:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Rapper is notable and article has been improved a lot. Elektrinhooo ( talk) 09:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep worked with famous producer Zaytoven, viral diss tracks, multiple articles and videos covering Foolio and the jacksonville gang war. Tabratic ( talk) 14:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Not notable enough and makes the same music as any gangsta rapper — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.75.195.51 ( talk) 18:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment every gangsta rapper talks about the same stuff in their music. most of what’s popular today is “gangsta rap” Tabratic ( talk) 19:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment that doesnot mean they should have their own page especially when his songs were not even blowin upp 103.75.195.51 ( talk) 04:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Tabratic and 103.75.195.51: Please do not double vote. Bremps ... 18:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Duplicate votes struck or modified as comments. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 22:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Enough coverage to establish notability. Fair for me to say passes GNG-- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 16:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Strong Keep: Received coverage in several sources considered reliable by WP:MUSIC/SOURCE prior to his passing. Here are some examples: AllHipHop, HotNewHipHop, HipHopDx This could further be supported by a WP:GNG table. Célestin Denis ( talk) 00:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep in accordance with User:Célestin Denis. No major charting or certification does not disqualify coverage. Foolio is notable. Atomicpowur ( talk) 01:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Foolio is definitely a noticeable and well-renowned artist. I wouldn't delete this page. He falls under the category of hip-hop artists killed by gun violence. Which has its on list of all notable hip-hop artists that have died. There is more information about him within interviews hosted online. 2600:1005:A017:1BB:A844:C313:B47E:CA62 ( talk) 19:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Rapper is notable. Keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.173.111.140 ( talk) 15:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Dwaram Bhavanarayana Rao

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This seems to be a case of WP:INHERITED notability, given people largely talk about him in relation to his father. I can't check two of the sources here (and one is a WP:NOBITS) but the one I could find, as well as my searches of the internet returned no new sources for WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 19:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: I find this [12] and this [13] which I think is the same person that is the subject of the wiki article. Name or portions of the name seem to be very common, so it's hard to determine notability in sources. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Calabar Chic

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Fails WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. There’s in short, no piece that is independent of the subject to establish notability. BEFORE does not provide anything different. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 17:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Actors and filmmakers, and Nigeria. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 17:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List_of_Nigerian_actors#Actresses: she has some credits in films and coverage, although including a lot of interviews (but a lot, and in various media), allow to verify she's a Nigerian actress who might have a certain notoriety. Hence this WP:ATD - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

-->Changing to Keep per WP:HEY thanks to the work of User:Ahola .O since nomination, including sources showing a certain notability as comedian.

Delete Limited coverage, no evidence she meets the guidelines. Not in favour of redirection, per WP:LISTPURP and no point redirecting to a page where she isn't mentioned. Mdann52 ( talk) 18:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep From my search, subject seems notable and has significant coverage. She has featured in some films and has some level of notability in comedy. I made some improvements on the page as well. I hope it helps Mevoelo ( talk) 20:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect: I agree with moving the article about Calabar Chic to the List of Nigerian Actresses, which is a more general page. Due to a lack of coverage, the article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG guidelines. Redirecting will put her mentions in the right place. It will keep helpful content while following Wikipedia's guidelines. It also links the subject to a relevant, broader topic.-- AstridMitch ( talk) 05:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: I also agree to keep the page because she meets WP:NACTOR guidelines, she has roles in notable films, television shows, stage performances, and other productions, some are listed on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahola .O ( talk • contribs) 06:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I was not going to reply specifically to anyone in this discussion, but I have to now since I think you’re misinterpreting NACTOR. One thing is for the films they starred in to be notable, another thing is for their roles in the films to be significant. This is not the case here even in the tiniest bit. Her roles in these films was a significant role, she clearly doesn’t pass the guideline. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Aside from some interviews and passing mentions, there is not enough to fulfill WP:GNG. As she only had minor roles, WP:NACTOR is not fulfilled either. A redirect to List of Nigerian actors#Actresses as mentioned above is not feasible per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Non-notable subjects should not be included in lists of people. Hence my recommendation to Delete, perhaps just a case of WP:TOOSOON. Broc ( talk) 08:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Weak delete. A Google search of the subject shows several newspaper sources that interviewed her. These type of sources are primary sources and cannot be used to establish notability. She has starred in multiple films that are notable, but as someone else pointed out, she did not have a major role in any of those films. I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. She has the potential of being notable within a year or two. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: sourcing is fine, [14] as well. Most is celebrity coverage articles, but they give background and some context into tragic and not-so-tragic events in this person's life as of late. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Sourcing is fine but they’re mostly interviews (save for this one here). She has featured in some movie but not in a major role. Probably too early for an entry. Best, Reading Beans 09:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Lots of interviews by reliable sources, which is a potential indication of (future) notability, but they don't offer enough secondary journalistic coverage outside of the transcript to meet GNG. Definitely a case of WP:TOOSOON. I imagine the subject will be notable in a year or two. C F A 💬 21:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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