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The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 17:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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Already covered in Tirukkural translations. No proof of WP:Notability of the the one transalation on its own accord. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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23:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 17:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
As suggested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tirukkural translations into Rajasthani, nominating individual articles.
Already covered in Tirukkural translations. No proof of WP:Notability of the the one transalation on its own accord. 1 para is about the language Saurashtra in general. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:31, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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plicit
23:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 17:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
As suggested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tirukkural translations into Rajasthani, nominating individual articles.
Already covered in Tirukkural translations. No proof of WP:Notability of the the 2 transalations on its own accord. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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plicit
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
No claim of notability. - Mebigrouxboy ( talk) 23:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. This has been an extended discussion, featuring a lot of good-faithed contributions from editors with a wide range of viewpoints, and I thank everyone for their collegial participation below in what is obviously a very sensitive topic.
There have been a number of arguments advanced on all sides, but the primary focus as this debate has developed has been around (for those advocating 'keep') that the general notability guideline has been met and that coverage exists in multiple reliable sources, contrasted with a belief (for those advocating 'delete') that an insufficient number of the sources cover the concept of denial of atrocities, and therefore this is a synthesis and constitutes 'original research' as defined by Wikipedia's policies. These two arguments were explored signficantly more than any alternate rationales to keep or delete, and on that basis I have focused my assessment of consensus on these two basis primarily.
Reviewing the discussion, it is clear that the two arguments were both made in good faith and enjoyed some level of support. Critically, neither was disproven by their opponents to the point that they should be disregarded by me as the closer. My assessment of the relative strength of the arguments is that those advocating 'delete' did a better job of refuting the core argument to 'keep', than vice-versa. However, it definitely wasn't completely refuted or disproven, and so I considered it at the next stage of the consensus-reviewing exercise.
Having established that both key arguments to delete or keep are valid in terms of our policies & guidelines and neither was sufficiently refuted to be discarded entirely, I then have to assess the relative support each position has. Ultimately the discussion was deadlocked in the sense that there were competing views, and neither 'side' was willing to budge on their interpretion of P&Gs as they relate to this article. In this situation, the next step is to assess which argument had more support.
On this marker of consensus-finding, I find that the 'delete' rationale had more support from those who explored the subject adequately. To be clear, this is not a head-counting exercise at this point in assessing consensus, and I did indeed apply lower weight to a significant number of comments which did not advance this or any other argument that was relevant. I discounted (note: not "disregarded", but "discounted" - ie. applied reduced weight to) a larger number of 'keep' contributions than I did 'delete' or 'merge' at this stage, as they did not offer an especially compelling rationale for keeping or deleting per our P&Gs. The margin was not as clear as many 'delete' closes we see at AfD, but I found it to be sufficient to allow consensus to be established.
In summary:
On these basis, I find a consensus exists to delete and have subsequently closed the debate as such. Daniel ( talk) 07:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
There is no significant coverage by reliable sources on a trend of "denial", therefore this does not fulfill WP:Notability. Moreover, this is a collection of supposed "denials" which goes against WP:Original research. And finally, the sources cited are mostly low-quality, such as Hindustan Times, Jewishnews.co.uk, and Radar Online. Makeandtoss ( talk) 10:19, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
"And the IDF is directly talking about it."- makes it less credible surely? Iskandar323 ( talk) 13:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
pure WP:SYNTH at this stage. There is no conversage (yet) of denials as a group or collective concept- it's not really anything other than media coverage of who said what at this point. It's not a "thing" (like holocaust denial is). ButlerBlog ( talk) 13:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by
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Anadolu Agency | ![]() |
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CNN | ![]() |
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✘ No |
CNN 2 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Washington Institute 1 | ? Organization is associated with AIPAC. | ![]() |
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✘ No |
The Economist | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Radar Online | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Hindustan Times | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Daily Beast | ![]() |
? Per WP:DAILYBEAST. | ![]() |
✘ No |
Ynetnews | ![]() |
? Unclear whether there are editorial standards. | ![]() |
✘ No |
Jewish News | ![]() |
? Unclear whether there are editorial standards. | ![]() |
✘ No |
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JPost 1 | ![]() |
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Times of Israel 1 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
JPost 2 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
The Guardian | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Fox News | ![]() |
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✘ No |
JPost 3 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Times of Israel 2 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
CBC | ![]() |
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Rep McCaul statement | ![]() |
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Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs | ![]() |
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Here is my source assessment. Most of the sources cited are examples of either Hamas or random people denying particular atrocities (or denying things that were later debunked, like babies being decapitated). Of the sources cited in this article and this discussion, only one establishes GNG. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 02:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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23:47, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting. There is no lack of participation here but I also don't see editors who advocate Keeping this article address voorts's persuasive source analysis tables. I don't think anyone is denying that sources exist that provide examples, at least to someone, that a denial of atrocities may be happening in statements made by individuals or organizations, the question is whether or not this article is OR and whether "denialism" is being discussed as a notable and coherent concept on its own. There is a huge amount of literature on Holocaust denialism and an academic study of that subject and so a comparison can't be made to this very recent phenomena. I'd like to see editors arguing to Keep this article go beyond
WP:ITEXISTS statements and address the problems pointed out by the nominator.
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23:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
we need reliable secondary sources saying in their own voice that this is a pattern, and AFAICS we don't have those).— Alalch E. 09:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
[W]hat you need are sources treating "denial" as the topic itself, not giving examples of individuals denying something. That is how you demonstrate a notable topic, not one that is attempted to be put together through WP:SYNTH.Tryin to make a change :-/ 19:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. Liz Read! Talk! 22:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Rediret to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. I am unable to find sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This conjecture is not notable. There are no results at all for "Dubner's conjecture" in Google Scholar ( the same search without quotes returns a variety of unrelated stuff), and the original paper by Harvey Dubner only has a grand total of three citations.
I made this article into a redirect to
List of unsolved problems in mathematics#Prime numbers shortly after I came across it due to these issues, as well as due to the issue that most of the article was unsourced and could have well been
original research. Some time later,
OwenX restored it with the edit summary "likely non-notable" is not reason enough to get rid of a sourced article. Please take to AfD if you believe we're better off without this article
. I still think that this conjecture is very non-notable, so I think we should still redirect it to
List of unsolved problems in mathematics#Prime numbers as before.
Duckmather (
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21:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Appears to be largely WP:OR, with only a couple of press releases and trivial news items supporting notability at large. In no way meets WP:NLIST. Iskandar323 ( talk) 21:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
If this is a town (it is described in the article as both a town and a landfill), it should meet WP:GEOLAND, but I am taking to AfD as I couldn't confirm it. It is also all unreferenced and unencyclopaedic, so would need to be nuked either way. Boleyn ( talk) 21:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of Uzbekistan women's international footballers. Daniel ( talk) 22:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Redirect to List of Uzbekistan women's international footballers. The subject has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. One of the reference is dead but from the title is a self-description by the Archdiocese that it's in.
The lack of even "1/2 GNG" sources is reflected in it's lack of content. The only content is a sentence on where it's at, a sentence on it's founding, and a sentence that it was closed for covid and reopened. North8000 ( talk) 20:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Redirect to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. The subject has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Serbian women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. I found this, which is not independent of the subject. Note: not to be confused with the karateka/fitness instructor of the same name. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of Tunisia women's international footballers. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Tunisian women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. The closest thing to WP:SIGCOV I found was this. Redirect to List of Tunisia women's international footballers. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
More work needs to be and it can be moved to the draft space. Micheal Kaluba ( talk) 14:39, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Comments | Source |
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Stats page | 1. "Chaima Abbassi Stats". FBref. Retrieved 4 August 2021. |
Match report | 2. ^ Jump up to:a b "Match Report of Jordan vs Tunisia - 2021-06-10 - FIFA Friendlies - Women". Global Sports Archive. Retrieved 4 August 2021. |
List of players | 3. ^ Jump up to:a b "المنتخب التونسي لكرة القدم النسائية : قائمة اللاعبات المدعوات لمواجهتي الاردن". arriadhia.net (in Arabic). 1 June 2021. Archived from the original on 22 December 2022. Retrieved 4 August 2021. |
Interview | 4. ^ "لقاء حصري مع قائد المنتخب التونسي بكرة القدم شيماء العباسي". |
Routine annoucement and promo | 5. ^ "تونسية تدعم دفاع سيدات الشباب". |
Interview | 6. ^ "شيماء العباسي : الأجواء جيدة في معسكر المنتخب التونسي". |
Interview | 7. ^ "كرة القدم خشنة لكنها لا تخص الرجال فقط". |
Stats page | 8. ^ "Match Report of Jordan vs Tunisia - 2021-06-13 - FIFA Friendlies - Women". Global Sports Archive. Retrieved 4 August 2021. |
The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
No independent RS on the page for many years, I can't find much to show taht subject meets the notability standards for inclusion JMWt ( talk) 20:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Speedrunning#History. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
List has no clear criteria as to what is "notable for speedrunning" or not, formerly having section that cited one single reliable source and overall being unmanageable. It has also been tagged for numerous issues, such as original research, since 2021. If a video game was truly "notable for speedrunning", I would argue it would warrant its own article similarly to Quake done Quick (which also has a rough article but is at least notable), but this list effectively serves as a WP:COATRACK. Negative MP1 20:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Grup Gündoğarken. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG. Kadı Message 19:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Comments | Source |
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Fails SIGCOV | 1. ^ "POPULAR MUSIC SOUND PERFORMANCE" (PDF) . Ankara Music and Fine Arts University. |
Dup of #1 | 2. ^ "POPULAR MUSIC SOUND PERFORMANCE" (PDF) . Ankara Music and Fine Arts University. |
Album booklet, primary | 3. ^ My Brother Came from Ankara (Album booklet). Group at Sunrise . Kervan Plakcılık . 1993. 8691575026780. |
Album booklet, primary | 4. ^ Mest of Gündoğarken (Album booklet). Group at Sunrise . Universal Music Production . 1998. 8691024008480. |
About an album, no SIGCOV about the song | 5. ^ Salik, Ruya. " How many times can the album ' İlhan Şeşen: My Gift' be listened to?" . Molatic . Nationality . Access date: 21 November 2023 . |
Mention in album review | 6. ^ Nakitoğlu, Emre (12 November 2018). "A living tribute to the doyen composer of love songs: İlhan Şeşen - My Gift…" . Bi'Kuble . Access date: 21 November 2023 . |
Fails SIGCOV | 7. ^ "Joint rally from Ekrem İmamoğlu, Mansur Yavaş and Meral Akşener" . Real Agenda |
The result was redirect to Revolutionary Confederation of Anarcho-Syndicalists#Criticisms and divisions. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:43, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This article has existed in a pretty poor state since its creation by a single-purpose account back in 2012, not long after the group formed. A lot of the claims in this article, like it having chapters in almost a dozen countries, are dubious and unsourced. Its only coverage in independent sources has been about a 2012 demonstration in Volgograd, followed by some arrests in 2013. Nothing since then. Its website has been dead since 2013 and sources suggest it has been defunct since 2014. Given this appears to have been a very short-lived splinter group, with only one notable action, I propose this be redirected to Revolutionary Confederation of Anarcho-Syndicalists#Criticisms and divisions. Grnrchst ( talk) 18:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
As suggested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tirukkural translations into Rajasthani, nominating individual articles.
Already covered in Tirukkural translations. No proof of WP:Notability of the the 2 transalations on its own accord. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Is It Legal?. Liz Read! Talk! 22:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was previously nominated for deletion in 2008 ( please see the discussion for the issues raised). Not much has improved since then, other than the addition of a table instead of a plain list. The article is still unsourced, so I'd say this fails WP:NLIST and should perhaps be merged to Is It Legal?. Spinixster (chat!) 08:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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18:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was merge to Major League Baseball rivalries#Houston Astros vs. Los Angeles Dodgers. Liz Read! Talk! 23:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This is another rivalry article between teams who are not historical rivals where the scope of article is centred on a WP:CFORK of Houston Astros sign stealing scandal. The content included in the article can be found in other articles. Nemov ( talk) 03:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting as there are two different Merge/Redirect target articles mentioned.
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04:21, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Limited participation after last relist. Arguments for deleting, keeping and redirecting (
Houston Astros sign stealing scandal/
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18:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The article heavily relies on unreliable sources as per WP:ICTFSOURCES and Perennial sources#The Times of India. C1K98V ( 💬 ✒️ 📂) 04:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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18:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel ( talk) 22:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Coverage is just routine coverage about funding. WP:CORP does not appear to be met. SmartSE ( talk) 17:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was created by Onomatopoeia 3 days after the brawl in question. Even with an expansion earlier this year, it's still a barebones article with 0 citations and 2 dead links. I believe the info described in this article would be better covered in the articles of the two teams involved. 100.7.34.111 ( talk) 16:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Karl Wolf. Eddie891 Talk Work 16:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Non notable album Jax 0677 ( talk) 16:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Doesn't seem to be enough GNG level coverage for this subject. Let'srun ( talk) 16:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Contested PROD. This is another of the many low-effort stubs created by the same user in 2009, based only on GNIS labels incorrectly describing this location as an "unincorporated community". No evidence found that this was ever a populated place, let alone a legally-recognized place, thus failing WP:GEOLAND. A newspaper search for "Hights Corner" turns up nothing from Kern County or neighboring Tulare County. The coordinates geolocate to the parking lot of a church, with some warehouses nearby. The only evidence I can find that there was ever anything here is the Rosedale, CA USGS topo quadrangle from 1954: [41], which shows a gravel pit and a cluster of small buildings, probably either the gravel operation or worker housing. Earlier and later quads show nothing at the site. This is a clear fail of notability because of the lack of evidence, other than this one map, that this was ever a populated place. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 14:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was Speedy deletion by Jimfbleak
Should be moved to draft space. yvanyblog (talk) 12:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was merge to The Sarah Jane Adventures. ✗ plicit 14:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG. Tagged for notability since 2022 DonaldD23 talk to me 12:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails general WP:GNG guide. No significant coverage. Amateur team that are not part of the Chinese football pyramid & do not play in Chinese domestic cups. Article is primarily written in a non-encyclopaedic manner, and is mostly outdated.
Previous PROD was removed, so listing for discussion. Curt 内蒙 11:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The article notes: "As a keen sportsman, I decided to join a popular expat football team called Forbidden City F.C.—a decision I have not regretted one bit. From the first day I arrived, everyone was welcoming and made me feel right at home. The club has more than 30 players made up of all different nationalities and ages. There is a strong team ethic and a real sense of camaraderie. For me, this was the perfect way to meet a new group of friends, Chinese and foreign. Everyone in the squad was new at one stage, so they are all well aware of what it's like to be the fresh face joining a long-established community. The club trains weekly on Wednesday evenings and usually has a game at the weekend. Along with the sporting aspect, the club also fosters many social events throughout the season—including an annual trip to Bangkok for an international tournament. Spread throughout the two leagues are 24 teams, with each team having a sponsor who provides their uniform, resources and money for travel: these sponsors are usually a local restaurant, bar or shop within the city the team is from."
The article notes: "Forbidden City FC is one of Beijing’s most decorated and largest expat footballing communities. The club actually has two teams under one club: Forbidden City and Summer Palace. Both teams train and socialize together, but Forbidden City play in the top division, whereas Summer Palace play in the second division. This allows the club to cater to a range of player abilities and build a diverse community of footballers. When they’re not competing or training at Side Park in Lido, the “Citizens” are also known for their off pitch parties; footy golf challenges and Beijing backstreet escapades. When not in lockdown FCFC regularly participates in tournaments across Asia thanks to the team’s mixed bag of long time Beijingers, recent settlers and their out of country devotees – which will hopefully kick off again soon now that lockdowns are a thing of the past. Join the “City” family for a laugh and football fun."
The article notes: "既然是德国世界杯,我邀请在我新效力的紫禁城足球队踢中场的德国人陈跃加入我的媒体团队,负责协调团队跟足球的关系。"
From Google Translate: "Since it is the World Cup in Germany, I invited Chen Yue, a German who plays midfielder for my new Forbidden City football team, to join my media team and be responsible for coordinating the relationship between the team and football."
The result was redirect to Sons of Alpha Centauri. The exact section can be decided editorially. ✗ plicit 14:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Appears to be a non-notable album. All sources either are bare mentions, crowdsourced, or affiliated. Paid creator. Valereee ( talk) 11:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 14:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I may be misjudging this as I am not familiar with Danish sources, but I couldn't establish that this meets WP:N. It obviously needs other work - it's very promotional - but it seems more than this. It ahs been in CAT:NN for over 13 years. Boleyn ( talk) 10:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. ✗ plicit 14:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
It is unclear how this meets WP:N. I may be missing something as I don't read Japanese, so taking to AfD for discussion. Has been in CAT:NN for over 13 years. Boleyn ( talk) 10:37, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine characters. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I could not find any discussions of the Dax symbiont that were not actually discussions of either Jadzia or Ezri. All other discussions are in unreliable sources. The current article is largely unsourced, with the exception of two transcripts and two summaries from the official Star Trek website. Since there are two notable Daxes, it would be a good idea to turn this page into a redirect to the preexisting character list. ― Susmuffin Talk 10:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 17:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I could not find any relevant non-primary sources on this topic that are not from Macworld, and if I used the Macworld sources, the page will rely entirely on a single source. Equal width ( C) 10:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to 1989 Australian Capital Territory general election. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Not to be the party pooper, but despite the humour, this clearly fails WP:N. I could not find any significant coverage in secondary sources (including by searching Google and trove), and the one substantive assertion in the article (its creators did not believe in self-government) is unsourced and I was unable to verify it. Portwalrus ( talk) 09:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Indonesia national cricket team#Grounds. ✗ plicit 14:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Cricket ground that has hosted a small number of low profile men's and women's T20 international matches. Propose restoring the redirect to Indonesia national cricket team#Grounds, as for other similar venues. Bs1jac ( talk) 09:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was speedy keep. Per WP:Speedy keep#1. Tthe nominator has withdrawn the nomination and no new delete rationale appears in the deletion discussion. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:21, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
I couldn't establish that this is notable. Possible redirect to List of Windows 3.x games, where it is listed. Has been in CAT:NN for over 13 years and it doesn't appear to be neglect. Boleyn ( talk) 08:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. There seems to be consensus that the page in its current state is not useful as an encyclopedic article, especially considering the ill-defined scope and noting that there are other articles which cover similar topics. Would be open to restore to draft if someone has clear intention/plans to work on it, otherwise that is simply delaying deletion with no real purpose. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
A single ref on the page for many years - nothing much to suggest that meets the criteria of inclusion. Of course there has been a long story of association between Egypt and Britons, but there are other pages which cover that. JMWt ( talk) 08:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We have articles with one sentence so I'm not sure about the judgment that the article content here is not "useful". Usefulness is not a criteria typically used in deletion discussion. Lots of notable subjects may not be useful. How about evauating sources?
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The result was merge to Dominion War. Clear consensus not to retain the article below, and of the various merge proposals, this clearly had the most support. Daniel ( talk) 21:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Plot summary + history of creation, the latter sourced to DVD commentary. No reception, analysis, etc. BEFORE shows many passing mentions in sources but nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV. What little serious coverage I see is about the Dominion War, a related but different topic (story arc/fictional event), and that article is better (it even has a reception section). I suggest, per WP:ATD, to redirect this entry there, unless someone can find reliable, non-trivial sources discussing the Dominion itself as an entity (I failed). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to WVBR-FM. Liz Read! Talk! 07:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Non notable student-run 501(c)3 non-profit corporation, primary sourced promo. Fails WP:NORG. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 07:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG. Kadı Message 06:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 06:50, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Dominican Republic women's football and futsal player, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found in my searches were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of Star Fox characters. Liz Read! Talk! 07:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Many characters who have appeared in Smash have been going through the AfD ringer recently, and while I feel most have some degree of notability, Falco's article has always bugged me, as no source in his article really focuses on him. There's a few Smash sources, but most of it is just oddly specific listicles. I'd be fine with using listicles if there were whole articles dedicated to or using Falco as a major bulk of the article, but the article is quite literally just built on them. A brief search doesn't yield up anything else either: little to no hits in Scholar or Books, and any other sources don't yield much that isn't of the same caliber of what's in the article. Unless other sources can be found that I missed, I feel an ATD merge to the Star Fox character list would be for the best. Pokelego999 ( talk) 05:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ✗ plicit 07:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Article lacks reliable sources that verify this NGO is notable Missjaenna ( talk) 14:43, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Not creating a redirect at this time, but no objection should someone else choose to. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I’m the living person and this page concerns me. I would like it immediately deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editoratwiki2024! ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Non-notable footballer and ice hockey player through failing WP:GNG criteria. A youth career in ice hockey and appearances for Saint Pierre and Miquelon is not much to go off either (just saying). Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ✗ plicit 14:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
can't find any evidence this existed, I'm sure it did, but it is not-notable, was previously prodded in 2016 Echetus Xe 14:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 07:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 03:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
The article notes: "香港藝術品商會慶祝中華人民共和國成立 57 周年聯警宴會 The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association Limited annual dinner to celebrate China's National day (1st October ). ... When the Association was founded on November 26th, 1968, it had 182 members and its membership has now expanded to over 300. For many years it has made great efforts to strengthen the ties amongst its members, and raising the standards of local dealers in Chinese arts and antiquities. Through the issuance of Certificates of Antiquity, the Association has increased the confidence of local collectors and heightened the interest of overseas buyers of antiques and works of art, thereby helping to establish Hong Kong as the ... Association members and guests stand while China's anthem is played during the National Day banquet dinner at the Metropolitan Restaurant centre of Oriental art and culture.
The article notes from Google Translate: "When the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association was established in 1968, it decided to set up an Antiques Appraisal Committee (Authentication Committee). The Appraisal Committee is composed of industry elites and recruits experts and scholars as consultants. In the 1970s, then-US President Richard Nixon’s visit to China opened a new chapter in the friendly exchanges between China and the United States. ... To this day, the appraisal certificate from the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association is still an important document that can be used as evidence in court. The scope of appraisal includes ceramics, jade, bronze, bamboo, calligraphy and painting, lacquerware, materials, embroidery, stone carvings, snuff bottles, miscellaneous items, etc. . Over the past half century, the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association has appraised more than one million pieces of art. The credibility of the antique appraisal certificates issued by the Appraisal Committee is well-known at home and abroad. It is an antique certification certificate recognized by many countries’ customs, ministries of commerce, and judicial agencies. Extremely professional and authoritative."
The article notes from Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Art Merchants Association was established in 1968 and has become a non-profit organisation with hundreds of members. It has always been aimed at serving the society, promoting the development of the handicraft industry, and promoting Chinese culture, and serves its members and all walks of life. Members include businesses, factories, associations, auction companies and cultural relic enthusiasts operating or related to the antiques and crafts industry, including many industry elites and famous stores. The AB Certificate (Antique Appraisal Certificate) issued by the Merchants Association enables fellow goods exported to Europe, America, Japan and other places to enjoy tax-free discounts. Traders in the industry have also been able to contact their counterparts in the Mainland through merchants associations to facilitate the purchase of goods."
The article notes from Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association was established in 1968. Over the past 50 years, under the leadership of successive heads of the Merchants Association and a group of directors and supervisors, the Merchants Association has always adhered to patriotism and Hong Kong, and has made positive contributions to the country's opening up to the outside world and the prosperity and stability of Hong Kong ... The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association is a non-profit social organisation whose members come from businesses, factories, societies, auction companies and antique enthusiasts that operate or are related to the antiques and crafts industry. The Merchants Association is a non-profit association with members from relevant industries. Fifty years ago, the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association was founded by Tan Pin, Cai Yubai, and Luo Shaoping; the founding members were ... The successive presidents ..."
The book notes: "對於聚居在尖沙嘴的北方穆斯林而言,九龍清真寺是一個聯繫社群生活的空間。由於大部分聚居當地的穆斯林都是從事古玩 玉石生意的商人,他們為了進一步凝聚行業的力量,故在1968年 時成立了「香港藝術品商會」。該會由穆斯林商人譚品三、蔡毓 伯及羅少平三人發起,並由金寶銳任第一屆理事長。他自1968 年起擔任該會的理事長直至1983年。該會以「服務社會,推動古 玩工藝品行業發展,弘揚中華文化。」為宗旨”。該會與內地維 持緊密和良好的關係,在創會後便經常籌組赴內地的貿易交流團及到廣州參與中國進出口商品交易會。"
From Google Translate: "For northern Muslims living in Tsim Sha Tsui, the Kowloon Mosque is a space that connects community life. Since most of the Muslims living in the local area are merchants engaged in the antiques and jade business, in order to further unite the strength of the industry, they established the "Hong Kong Art Merchants Association" in 1968. The association was initiated by Muslim businessmen Tan Pinsan, Cai Yubo and Luo Shaoping, with Jin Baorui as the first chairman. He served as the association's president from 1968 until 1983. The association's purpose is to "serve the society, promote the development of the antiques and handicrafts industry, and promote Chinese culture." The association maintains a close and good relationship with the mainland. After its establishment, it often organizes trade exchange groups to the mainland and to Guangzhou. Participate in the China Import and Export Fair."
The book provides a passing mention. The book notes: "Arch Angel's manager director is a member of the Antique Board of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association, which assesses antiques and issues a certificate of authenticity."
The article discusses the attendees and events of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association's Spring Festival Gala Banquet.
The article discusses the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association's banquet to celebrate the 74th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China.
The article provides a passing mention. The article notes: "In addition to being an old expert in antiques and art trading, Kai-yuen Ng is also a well-known appraisal expert in the industry. He is currently the vice president of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association and the deputy director of the Antiques Appraisal Committee, helping the merchants association in appraising artworks."
The article mentions the association in a caption. The caption notes: "The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association Limited annual dinner to celebrate China’s National day (1st October). Chairman Chong Chin Sheng Henry in the centre leads the official toast. The Association’s senior members are Vice Chairmen Wang Chung Chiu James, Chak Kin Man, K.Y. Ng, Lau Wai Nin; Chairmen of the Supervisory Committee Liang Chung Kong, Lo Kwok Kwan, Lan Sin Yan; Vice Chairmen of Boards of Life Directors Chan Hok Chung, Chen Peng Hsiang; and Executive Committee members Lam Shing Chau, Sien Shu Hung, Lam Chun Wing, Fung Ying Chu, Chan Kin Chung and Yung Wai Kwan"
The article notes from Google Translate: "Do you have a family heirloom or personal collection at home and want to identify its authenticity? You may wish to bring your antiques to the venue on May 27. At that time, a domestic expert team and the appraisal committee of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association will provide you with professional appraisal services. This is a rare opportunity. The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association will provide professional appraisal services on the 27th. Interested friends can bring antiques for appraisal."
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 05:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
doesnt exist. also none of the sources present in the article uses the term FMSky ( talk) 04:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 07:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, although a Pan American Games gold medalist, no significant coverage exists. The three references on the page are route coverage and not exclusively about the subject. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 14:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Article fails WP:GNG, sites one source which is not only not independent, but also not accessible anymore..
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 10:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Feel free to have a discussion on the article talk page about a possible page move. Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I just nominated it for deletion on pl wiki (our article is a translation of the pl wiki article). The problem here is major WP:OR ( notability is less of a problem based on my BEFORE). The term Piast Dragon, or Polish terms listed on pl wiki, doesn't exist outside Wikipedia. The only semi-relevant and reliable source is Histmag (popular Polish history magazine) written by a minor historian ( [44], author is a high school history teacher) on "Dragons and Sword in Polish heraldry". If we had an article on dragons in heraldry, I'd say we can merge the one sentence referneced to it, but since we don't, the best WP:ATD I can think of is to move this to dragons in Polish heraldry combined with 99% TNTing this to a stub-stub (if we remove all other content, with is either unreferenced, or referenced to unreliable sources, or primary ones), leaving just the Histmag ref. The topic may be notable (here's an academic article on dragons in Polish heraldry [45] and I see other relevant literature in my Polish-language GS query [46]) but I think this needs to be written from scratch. To recapitulate, the name of this article (Piast Dragon) is pure OR and 99% of the content here is unreferenced, or referenced to unreliable or primary sources. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Article about a local secondary school which fails to assert notability. Links are to government lists of schools and routine local press coverage that confirms that the school exists, but there is nothing to show any particular notability. There are a number of other articles for these "Outwood" schools that are similar. Flip Format ( talk) 11:28, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Does not appear notable, article may only have been created because he did have a notable daughter, not everyone to have been awarded the King's Police Medal is notable, it's not like e.g. the Victoria Cross. PatGallacher ( talk) 00:36, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 02:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Portland and Western Railroad#Locomotive fleet. Redirecting as it's stated all of the relevant content has been Merged. Liz Read! Talk! 03:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails GNG. No indication of notability in article. One article is from a possible RS and contains SIGCOV of the subject's paint scheme. Other sources are either SELFPUB or just lists that include the subject (or are both). ~ Pbritti ( talk) 02:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Majlis-ash-Shura. If there is a disagreement about the Redirect target article, please discuss it on the Redirect talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 02:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Redirect to Hamas#Leadership_and_structure, which already includes pretty much all the information in this unnecessary WP:CFORK. Longhornsg ( talk) 02:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was speedy delete by Kuru as WP:CSD#G5. ✗ plicit 10:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Subject is not notable. References on the page are about the World Designing Forum and also fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA (same as the ones I found in a WP:BEFORE. CNMall41 ( talk) 19:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Jews for Racial and Economic Justice. Liz Read! Talk! 01:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Non-notable radio show by an activist group. No WP:SIGCOV and both sources are WP:PROMO anyway. Longhornsg ( talk) 01:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 00:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Georgian women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found in my searches were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 00:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Montenegrin women's footballer, has not received sufficient in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG. This is the closest thing to WP:SIGCOV I found. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of Cyprus women's international footballers. Liz Read! Talk! 00:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Redirect to List of Cyprus women's international footballers. Not to be confused with the singer of the same name. Fails WP:GNG with a lack of significant coverage from independent sources. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 17:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
As suggested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tirukkural translations into Rajasthani, nominating individual articles.
Already covered in Tirukkural translations. No proof of WP:Notability of the the one transalation on its own accord. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 17:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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Already covered in Tirukkural translations. No proof of WP:Notability of the the one transalation on its own accord. 1 para is about the language Saurashtra in general. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:31, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 17:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
As suggested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tirukkural translations into Rajasthani, nominating individual articles.
Already covered in Tirukkural translations. No proof of WP:Notability of the the 2 transalations on its own accord. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
No claim of notability. - Mebigrouxboy ( talk) 23:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. This has been an extended discussion, featuring a lot of good-faithed contributions from editors with a wide range of viewpoints, and I thank everyone for their collegial participation below in what is obviously a very sensitive topic.
There have been a number of arguments advanced on all sides, but the primary focus as this debate has developed has been around (for those advocating 'keep') that the general notability guideline has been met and that coverage exists in multiple reliable sources, contrasted with a belief (for those advocating 'delete') that an insufficient number of the sources cover the concept of denial of atrocities, and therefore this is a synthesis and constitutes 'original research' as defined by Wikipedia's policies. These two arguments were explored signficantly more than any alternate rationales to keep or delete, and on that basis I have focused my assessment of consensus on these two basis primarily.
Reviewing the discussion, it is clear that the two arguments were both made in good faith and enjoyed some level of support. Critically, neither was disproven by their opponents to the point that they should be disregarded by me as the closer. My assessment of the relative strength of the arguments is that those advocating 'delete' did a better job of refuting the core argument to 'keep', than vice-versa. However, it definitely wasn't completely refuted or disproven, and so I considered it at the next stage of the consensus-reviewing exercise.
Having established that both key arguments to delete or keep are valid in terms of our policies & guidelines and neither was sufficiently refuted to be discarded entirely, I then have to assess the relative support each position has. Ultimately the discussion was deadlocked in the sense that there were competing views, and neither 'side' was willing to budge on their interpretion of P&Gs as they relate to this article. In this situation, the next step is to assess which argument had more support.
On this marker of consensus-finding, I find that the 'delete' rationale had more support from those who explored the subject adequately. To be clear, this is not a head-counting exercise at this point in assessing consensus, and I did indeed apply lower weight to a significant number of comments which did not advance this or any other argument that was relevant. I discounted (note: not "disregarded", but "discounted" - ie. applied reduced weight to) a larger number of 'keep' contributions than I did 'delete' or 'merge' at this stage, as they did not offer an especially compelling rationale for keeping or deleting per our P&Gs. The margin was not as clear as many 'delete' closes we see at AfD, but I found it to be sufficient to allow consensus to be established.
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On these basis, I find a consensus exists to delete and have subsequently closed the debate as such. Daniel ( talk) 07:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
There is no significant coverage by reliable sources on a trend of "denial", therefore this does not fulfill WP:Notability. Moreover, this is a collection of supposed "denials" which goes against WP:Original research. And finally, the sources cited are mostly low-quality, such as Hindustan Times, Jewishnews.co.uk, and Radar Online. Makeandtoss ( talk) 10:19, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
"And the IDF is directly talking about it."- makes it less credible surely? Iskandar323 ( talk) 13:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
pure WP:SYNTH at this stage. There is no conversage (yet) of denials as a group or collective concept- it's not really anything other than media coverage of who said what at this point. It's not a "thing" (like holocaust denial is). ButlerBlog ( talk) 13:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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✘ No |
Jewish News | ![]() |
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✘ No |
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JPost 2 | ![]() |
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The Guardian | ![]() |
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Fox News | ![]() |
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JPost 3 | ![]() |
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Times of Israel 2 | ![]() |
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CBC | ![]() |
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Rep McCaul statement | ![]() |
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Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs | ![]() |
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✘ No |
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Here is my source assessment. Most of the sources cited are examples of either Hamas or random people denying particular atrocities (or denying things that were later debunked, like babies being decapitated). Of the sources cited in this article and this discussion, only one establishes GNG. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 02:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting. There is no lack of participation here but I also don't see editors who advocate Keeping this article address voorts's persuasive source analysis tables. I don't think anyone is denying that sources exist that provide examples, at least to someone, that a denial of atrocities may be happening in statements made by individuals or organizations, the question is whether or not this article is OR and whether "denialism" is being discussed as a notable and coherent concept on its own. There is a huge amount of literature on Holocaust denialism and an academic study of that subject and so a comparison can't be made to this very recent phenomena. I'd like to see editors arguing to Keep this article go beyond
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we need reliable secondary sources saying in their own voice that this is a pattern, and AFAICS we don't have those).— Alalch E. 09:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
[W]hat you need are sources treating "denial" as the topic itself, not giving examples of individuals denying something. That is how you demonstrate a notable topic, not one that is attempted to be put together through WP:SYNTH.Tryin to make a change :-/ 19:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. Liz Read! Talk! 22:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Rediret to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. I am unable to find sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This conjecture is not notable. There are no results at all for "Dubner's conjecture" in Google Scholar ( the same search without quotes returns a variety of unrelated stuff), and the original paper by Harvey Dubner only has a grand total of three citations.
I made this article into a redirect to
List of unsolved problems in mathematics#Prime numbers shortly after I came across it due to these issues, as well as due to the issue that most of the article was unsourced and could have well been
original research. Some time later,
OwenX restored it with the edit summary "likely non-notable" is not reason enough to get rid of a sourced article. Please take to AfD if you believe we're better off without this article
. I still think that this conjecture is very non-notable, so I think we should still redirect it to
List of unsolved problems in mathematics#Prime numbers as before.
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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Appears to be largely WP:OR, with only a couple of press releases and trivial news items supporting notability at large. In no way meets WP:NLIST. Iskandar323 ( talk) 21:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
If this is a town (it is described in the article as both a town and a landfill), it should meet WP:GEOLAND, but I am taking to AfD as I couldn't confirm it. It is also all unreferenced and unencyclopaedic, so would need to be nuked either way. Boleyn ( talk) 21:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of Uzbekistan women's international footballers. Daniel ( talk) 22:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Redirect to List of Uzbekistan women's international footballers. The subject has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. One of the reference is dead but from the title is a self-description by the Archdiocese that it's in.
The lack of even "1/2 GNG" sources is reflected in it's lack of content. The only content is a sentence on where it's at, a sentence on it's founding, and a sentence that it was closed for covid and reopened. North8000 ( talk) 20:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Redirect to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. The subject has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Serbian women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. I found this, which is not independent of the subject. Note: not to be confused with the karateka/fitness instructor of the same name. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of Tunisia women's international footballers. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Tunisian women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. The closest thing to WP:SIGCOV I found was this. Redirect to List of Tunisia women's international footballers. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
More work needs to be and it can be moved to the draft space. Micheal Kaluba ( talk) 14:39, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Stats page | 1. "Chaima Abbassi Stats". FBref. Retrieved 4 August 2021. |
Match report | 2. ^ Jump up to:a b "Match Report of Jordan vs Tunisia - 2021-06-10 - FIFA Friendlies - Women". Global Sports Archive. Retrieved 4 August 2021. |
List of players | 3. ^ Jump up to:a b "المنتخب التونسي لكرة القدم النسائية : قائمة اللاعبات المدعوات لمواجهتي الاردن". arriadhia.net (in Arabic). 1 June 2021. Archived from the original on 22 December 2022. Retrieved 4 August 2021. |
Interview | 4. ^ "لقاء حصري مع قائد المنتخب التونسي بكرة القدم شيماء العباسي". |
Routine annoucement and promo | 5. ^ "تونسية تدعم دفاع سيدات الشباب". |
Interview | 6. ^ "شيماء العباسي : الأجواء جيدة في معسكر المنتخب التونسي". |
Interview | 7. ^ "كرة القدم خشنة لكنها لا تخص الرجال فقط". |
Stats page | 8. ^ "Match Report of Jordan vs Tunisia - 2021-06-13 - FIFA Friendlies - Women". Global Sports Archive. Retrieved 4 August 2021. |
The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
No independent RS on the page for many years, I can't find much to show taht subject meets the notability standards for inclusion JMWt ( talk) 20:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Speedrunning#History. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
List has no clear criteria as to what is "notable for speedrunning" or not, formerly having section that cited one single reliable source and overall being unmanageable. It has also been tagged for numerous issues, such as original research, since 2021. If a video game was truly "notable for speedrunning", I would argue it would warrant its own article similarly to Quake done Quick (which also has a rough article but is at least notable), but this list effectively serves as a WP:COATRACK. Negative MP1 20:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Grup Gündoğarken. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG. Kadı Message 19:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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Fails SIGCOV | 1. ^ "POPULAR MUSIC SOUND PERFORMANCE" (PDF) . Ankara Music and Fine Arts University. |
Dup of #1 | 2. ^ "POPULAR MUSIC SOUND PERFORMANCE" (PDF) . Ankara Music and Fine Arts University. |
Album booklet, primary | 3. ^ My Brother Came from Ankara (Album booklet). Group at Sunrise . Kervan Plakcılık . 1993. 8691575026780. |
Album booklet, primary | 4. ^ Mest of Gündoğarken (Album booklet). Group at Sunrise . Universal Music Production . 1998. 8691024008480. |
About an album, no SIGCOV about the song | 5. ^ Salik, Ruya. " How many times can the album ' İlhan Şeşen: My Gift' be listened to?" . Molatic . Nationality . Access date: 21 November 2023 . |
Mention in album review | 6. ^ Nakitoğlu, Emre (12 November 2018). "A living tribute to the doyen composer of love songs: İlhan Şeşen - My Gift…" . Bi'Kuble . Access date: 21 November 2023 . |
Fails SIGCOV | 7. ^ "Joint rally from Ekrem İmamoğlu, Mansur Yavaş and Meral Akşener" . Real Agenda |
The result was redirect to Revolutionary Confederation of Anarcho-Syndicalists#Criticisms and divisions. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:43, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This article has existed in a pretty poor state since its creation by a single-purpose account back in 2012, not long after the group formed. A lot of the claims in this article, like it having chapters in almost a dozen countries, are dubious and unsourced. Its only coverage in independent sources has been about a 2012 demonstration in Volgograd, followed by some arrests in 2013. Nothing since then. Its website has been dead since 2013 and sources suggest it has been defunct since 2014. Given this appears to have been a very short-lived splinter group, with only one notable action, I propose this be redirected to Revolutionary Confederation of Anarcho-Syndicalists#Criticisms and divisions. Grnrchst ( talk) 18:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
As suggested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tirukkural translations into Rajasthani, nominating individual articles.
Already covered in Tirukkural translations. No proof of WP:Notability of the the 2 transalations on its own accord. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Is It Legal?. Liz Read! Talk! 22:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was previously nominated for deletion in 2008 ( please see the discussion for the issues raised). Not much has improved since then, other than the addition of a table instead of a plain list. The article is still unsourced, so I'd say this fails WP:NLIST and should perhaps be merged to Is It Legal?. Spinixster (chat!) 08:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Major League Baseball rivalries#Houston Astros vs. Los Angeles Dodgers. Liz Read! Talk! 23:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This is another rivalry article between teams who are not historical rivals where the scope of article is centred on a WP:CFORK of Houston Astros sign stealing scandal. The content included in the article can be found in other articles. Nemov ( talk) 03:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The article heavily relies on unreliable sources as per WP:ICTFSOURCES and Perennial sources#The Times of India. C1K98V ( 💬 ✒️ 📂) 04:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel ( talk) 22:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Coverage is just routine coverage about funding. WP:CORP does not appear to be met. SmartSE ( talk) 17:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 22:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was created by Onomatopoeia 3 days after the brawl in question. Even with an expansion earlier this year, it's still a barebones article with 0 citations and 2 dead links. I believe the info described in this article would be better covered in the articles of the two teams involved. 100.7.34.111 ( talk) 16:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Karl Wolf. Eddie891 Talk Work 16:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Non notable album Jax 0677 ( talk) 16:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Doesn't seem to be enough GNG level coverage for this subject. Let'srun ( talk) 16:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Contested PROD. This is another of the many low-effort stubs created by the same user in 2009, based only on GNIS labels incorrectly describing this location as an "unincorporated community". No evidence found that this was ever a populated place, let alone a legally-recognized place, thus failing WP:GEOLAND. A newspaper search for "Hights Corner" turns up nothing from Kern County or neighboring Tulare County. The coordinates geolocate to the parking lot of a church, with some warehouses nearby. The only evidence I can find that there was ever anything here is the Rosedale, CA USGS topo quadrangle from 1954: [41], which shows a gravel pit and a cluster of small buildings, probably either the gravel operation or worker housing. Earlier and later quads show nothing at the site. This is a clear fail of notability because of the lack of evidence, other than this one map, that this was ever a populated place. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 14:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was Speedy deletion by Jimfbleak
Should be moved to draft space. yvanyblog (talk) 12:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was merge to The Sarah Jane Adventures. ✗ plicit 14:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG. Tagged for notability since 2022 DonaldD23 talk to me 12:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails general WP:GNG guide. No significant coverage. Amateur team that are not part of the Chinese football pyramid & do not play in Chinese domestic cups. Article is primarily written in a non-encyclopaedic manner, and is mostly outdated.
Previous PROD was removed, so listing for discussion. Curt 内蒙 11:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The article notes: "As a keen sportsman, I decided to join a popular expat football team called Forbidden City F.C.—a decision I have not regretted one bit. From the first day I arrived, everyone was welcoming and made me feel right at home. The club has more than 30 players made up of all different nationalities and ages. There is a strong team ethic and a real sense of camaraderie. For me, this was the perfect way to meet a new group of friends, Chinese and foreign. Everyone in the squad was new at one stage, so they are all well aware of what it's like to be the fresh face joining a long-established community. The club trains weekly on Wednesday evenings and usually has a game at the weekend. Along with the sporting aspect, the club also fosters many social events throughout the season—including an annual trip to Bangkok for an international tournament. Spread throughout the two leagues are 24 teams, with each team having a sponsor who provides their uniform, resources and money for travel: these sponsors are usually a local restaurant, bar or shop within the city the team is from."
The article notes: "Forbidden City FC is one of Beijing’s most decorated and largest expat footballing communities. The club actually has two teams under one club: Forbidden City and Summer Palace. Both teams train and socialize together, but Forbidden City play in the top division, whereas Summer Palace play in the second division. This allows the club to cater to a range of player abilities and build a diverse community of footballers. When they’re not competing or training at Side Park in Lido, the “Citizens” are also known for their off pitch parties; footy golf challenges and Beijing backstreet escapades. When not in lockdown FCFC regularly participates in tournaments across Asia thanks to the team’s mixed bag of long time Beijingers, recent settlers and their out of country devotees – which will hopefully kick off again soon now that lockdowns are a thing of the past. Join the “City” family for a laugh and football fun."
The article notes: "既然是德国世界杯,我邀请在我新效力的紫禁城足球队踢中场的德国人陈跃加入我的媒体团队,负责协调团队跟足球的关系。"
From Google Translate: "Since it is the World Cup in Germany, I invited Chen Yue, a German who plays midfielder for my new Forbidden City football team, to join my media team and be responsible for coordinating the relationship between the team and football."
The result was redirect to Sons of Alpha Centauri. The exact section can be decided editorially. ✗ plicit 14:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Appears to be a non-notable album. All sources either are bare mentions, crowdsourced, or affiliated. Paid creator. Valereee ( talk) 11:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 14:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I may be misjudging this as I am not familiar with Danish sources, but I couldn't establish that this meets WP:N. It obviously needs other work - it's very promotional - but it seems more than this. It ahs been in CAT:NN for over 13 years. Boleyn ( talk) 10:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. ✗ plicit 14:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
It is unclear how this meets WP:N. I may be missing something as I don't read Japanese, so taking to AfD for discussion. Has been in CAT:NN for over 13 years. Boleyn ( talk) 10:37, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine characters. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I could not find any discussions of the Dax symbiont that were not actually discussions of either Jadzia or Ezri. All other discussions are in unreliable sources. The current article is largely unsourced, with the exception of two transcripts and two summaries from the official Star Trek website. Since there are two notable Daxes, it would be a good idea to turn this page into a redirect to the preexisting character list. ― Susmuffin Talk 10:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 17:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I could not find any relevant non-primary sources on this topic that are not from Macworld, and if I used the Macworld sources, the page will rely entirely on a single source. Equal width ( C) 10:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to 1989 Australian Capital Territory general election. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Not to be the party pooper, but despite the humour, this clearly fails WP:N. I could not find any significant coverage in secondary sources (including by searching Google and trove), and the one substantive assertion in the article (its creators did not believe in self-government) is unsourced and I was unable to verify it. Portwalrus ( talk) 09:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Indonesia national cricket team#Grounds. ✗ plicit 14:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Cricket ground that has hosted a small number of low profile men's and women's T20 international matches. Propose restoring the redirect to Indonesia national cricket team#Grounds, as for other similar venues. Bs1jac ( talk) 09:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was speedy keep. Per WP:Speedy keep#1. Tthe nominator has withdrawn the nomination and no new delete rationale appears in the deletion discussion. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:21, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
I couldn't establish that this is notable. Possible redirect to List of Windows 3.x games, where it is listed. Has been in CAT:NN for over 13 years and it doesn't appear to be neglect. Boleyn ( talk) 08:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. There seems to be consensus that the page in its current state is not useful as an encyclopedic article, especially considering the ill-defined scope and noting that there are other articles which cover similar topics. Would be open to restore to draft if someone has clear intention/plans to work on it, otherwise that is simply delaying deletion with no real purpose. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
A single ref on the page for many years - nothing much to suggest that meets the criteria of inclusion. Of course there has been a long story of association between Egypt and Britons, but there are other pages which cover that. JMWt ( talk) 08:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: We have articles with one sentence so I'm not sure about the judgment that the article content here is not "useful". Usefulness is not a criteria typically used in deletion discussion. Lots of notable subjects may not be useful. How about evauating sources?
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The result was merge to Dominion War. Clear consensus not to retain the article below, and of the various merge proposals, this clearly had the most support. Daniel ( talk) 21:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Plot summary + history of creation, the latter sourced to DVD commentary. No reception, analysis, etc. BEFORE shows many passing mentions in sources but nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV. What little serious coverage I see is about the Dominion War, a related but different topic (story arc/fictional event), and that article is better (it even has a reception section). I suggest, per WP:ATD, to redirect this entry there, unless someone can find reliable, non-trivial sources discussing the Dominion itself as an entity (I failed). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to WVBR-FM. Liz Read! Talk! 07:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Non notable student-run 501(c)3 non-profit corporation, primary sourced promo. Fails WP:NORG. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 07:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG. Kadı Message 06:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 06:50, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Dominican Republic women's football and futsal player, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found in my searches were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of Star Fox characters. Liz Read! Talk! 07:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Many characters who have appeared in Smash have been going through the AfD ringer recently, and while I feel most have some degree of notability, Falco's article has always bugged me, as no source in his article really focuses on him. There's a few Smash sources, but most of it is just oddly specific listicles. I'd be fine with using listicles if there were whole articles dedicated to or using Falco as a major bulk of the article, but the article is quite literally just built on them. A brief search doesn't yield up anything else either: little to no hits in Scholar or Books, and any other sources don't yield much that isn't of the same caliber of what's in the article. Unless other sources can be found that I missed, I feel an ATD merge to the Star Fox character list would be for the best. Pokelego999 ( talk) 05:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ✗ plicit 07:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Article lacks reliable sources that verify this NGO is notable Missjaenna ( talk) 14:43, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Not creating a redirect at this time, but no objection should someone else choose to. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I’m the living person and this page concerns me. I would like it immediately deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editoratwiki2024! ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 04:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Non-notable footballer and ice hockey player through failing WP:GNG criteria. A youth career in ice hockey and appearances for Saint Pierre and Miquelon is not much to go off either (just saying). Paul Vaurie ( talk) 05:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. ✗ plicit 14:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
can't find any evidence this existed, I'm sure it did, but it is not-notable, was previously prodded in 2016 Echetus Xe 14:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 07:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 03:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
The article notes: "香港藝術品商會慶祝中華人民共和國成立 57 周年聯警宴會 The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association Limited annual dinner to celebrate China's National day (1st October ). ... When the Association was founded on November 26th, 1968, it had 182 members and its membership has now expanded to over 300. For many years it has made great efforts to strengthen the ties amongst its members, and raising the standards of local dealers in Chinese arts and antiquities. Through the issuance of Certificates of Antiquity, the Association has increased the confidence of local collectors and heightened the interest of overseas buyers of antiques and works of art, thereby helping to establish Hong Kong as the ... Association members and guests stand while China's anthem is played during the National Day banquet dinner at the Metropolitan Restaurant centre of Oriental art and culture.
The article notes from Google Translate: "When the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association was established in 1968, it decided to set up an Antiques Appraisal Committee (Authentication Committee). The Appraisal Committee is composed of industry elites and recruits experts and scholars as consultants. In the 1970s, then-US President Richard Nixon’s visit to China opened a new chapter in the friendly exchanges between China and the United States. ... To this day, the appraisal certificate from the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association is still an important document that can be used as evidence in court. The scope of appraisal includes ceramics, jade, bronze, bamboo, calligraphy and painting, lacquerware, materials, embroidery, stone carvings, snuff bottles, miscellaneous items, etc. . Over the past half century, the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association has appraised more than one million pieces of art. The credibility of the antique appraisal certificates issued by the Appraisal Committee is well-known at home and abroad. It is an antique certification certificate recognized by many countries’ customs, ministries of commerce, and judicial agencies. Extremely professional and authoritative."
The article notes from Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Art Merchants Association was established in 1968 and has become a non-profit organisation with hundreds of members. It has always been aimed at serving the society, promoting the development of the handicraft industry, and promoting Chinese culture, and serves its members and all walks of life. Members include businesses, factories, associations, auction companies and cultural relic enthusiasts operating or related to the antiques and crafts industry, including many industry elites and famous stores. The AB Certificate (Antique Appraisal Certificate) issued by the Merchants Association enables fellow goods exported to Europe, America, Japan and other places to enjoy tax-free discounts. Traders in the industry have also been able to contact their counterparts in the Mainland through merchants associations to facilitate the purchase of goods."
The article notes from Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association was established in 1968. Over the past 50 years, under the leadership of successive heads of the Merchants Association and a group of directors and supervisors, the Merchants Association has always adhered to patriotism and Hong Kong, and has made positive contributions to the country's opening up to the outside world and the prosperity and stability of Hong Kong ... The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association is a non-profit social organisation whose members come from businesses, factories, societies, auction companies and antique enthusiasts that operate or are related to the antiques and crafts industry. The Merchants Association is a non-profit association with members from relevant industries. Fifty years ago, the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association was founded by Tan Pin, Cai Yubai, and Luo Shaoping; the founding members were ... The successive presidents ..."
The book notes: "對於聚居在尖沙嘴的北方穆斯林而言,九龍清真寺是一個聯繫社群生活的空間。由於大部分聚居當地的穆斯林都是從事古玩 玉石生意的商人,他們為了進一步凝聚行業的力量,故在1968年 時成立了「香港藝術品商會」。該會由穆斯林商人譚品三、蔡毓 伯及羅少平三人發起,並由金寶銳任第一屆理事長。他自1968 年起擔任該會的理事長直至1983年。該會以「服務社會,推動古 玩工藝品行業發展,弘揚中華文化。」為宗旨”。該會與內地維 持緊密和良好的關係,在創會後便經常籌組赴內地的貿易交流團及到廣州參與中國進出口商品交易會。"
From Google Translate: "For northern Muslims living in Tsim Sha Tsui, the Kowloon Mosque is a space that connects community life. Since most of the Muslims living in the local area are merchants engaged in the antiques and jade business, in order to further unite the strength of the industry, they established the "Hong Kong Art Merchants Association" in 1968. The association was initiated by Muslim businessmen Tan Pinsan, Cai Yubo and Luo Shaoping, with Jin Baorui as the first chairman. He served as the association's president from 1968 until 1983. The association's purpose is to "serve the society, promote the development of the antiques and handicrafts industry, and promote Chinese culture." The association maintains a close and good relationship with the mainland. After its establishment, it often organizes trade exchange groups to the mainland and to Guangzhou. Participate in the China Import and Export Fair."
The book provides a passing mention. The book notes: "Arch Angel's manager director is a member of the Antique Board of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association, which assesses antiques and issues a certificate of authenticity."
The article discusses the attendees and events of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association's Spring Festival Gala Banquet.
The article discusses the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association's banquet to celebrate the 74th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China.
The article provides a passing mention. The article notes: "In addition to being an old expert in antiques and art trading, Kai-yuen Ng is also a well-known appraisal expert in the industry. He is currently the vice president of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association and the deputy director of the Antiques Appraisal Committee, helping the merchants association in appraising artworks."
The article mentions the association in a caption. The caption notes: "The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association Limited annual dinner to celebrate China’s National day (1st October). Chairman Chong Chin Sheng Henry in the centre leads the official toast. The Association’s senior members are Vice Chairmen Wang Chung Chiu James, Chak Kin Man, K.Y. Ng, Lau Wai Nin; Chairmen of the Supervisory Committee Liang Chung Kong, Lo Kwok Kwan, Lan Sin Yan; Vice Chairmen of Boards of Life Directors Chan Hok Chung, Chen Peng Hsiang; and Executive Committee members Lam Shing Chau, Sien Shu Hung, Lam Chun Wing, Fung Ying Chu, Chan Kin Chung and Yung Wai Kwan"
The article notes from Google Translate: "Do you have a family heirloom or personal collection at home and want to identify its authenticity? You may wish to bring your antiques to the venue on May 27. At that time, a domestic expert team and the appraisal committee of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association will provide you with professional appraisal services. This is a rare opportunity. The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association will provide professional appraisal services on the 27th. Interested friends can bring antiques for appraisal."
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 05:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
doesnt exist. also none of the sources present in the article uses the term FMSky ( talk) 04:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 07:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, although a Pan American Games gold medalist, no significant coverage exists. The three references on the page are route coverage and not exclusively about the subject. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 14:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Article fails WP:GNG, sites one source which is not only not independent, but also not accessible anymore..
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 10:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Feel free to have a discussion on the article talk page about a possible page move. Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I just nominated it for deletion on pl wiki (our article is a translation of the pl wiki article). The problem here is major WP:OR ( notability is less of a problem based on my BEFORE). The term Piast Dragon, or Polish terms listed on pl wiki, doesn't exist outside Wikipedia. The only semi-relevant and reliable source is Histmag (popular Polish history magazine) written by a minor historian ( [44], author is a high school history teacher) on "Dragons and Sword in Polish heraldry". If we had an article on dragons in heraldry, I'd say we can merge the one sentence referneced to it, but since we don't, the best WP:ATD I can think of is to move this to dragons in Polish heraldry combined with 99% TNTing this to a stub-stub (if we remove all other content, with is either unreferenced, or referenced to unreliable sources, or primary ones), leaving just the Histmag ref. The topic may be notable (here's an academic article on dragons in Polish heraldry [45] and I see other relevant literature in my Polish-language GS query [46]) but I think this needs to be written from scratch. To recapitulate, the name of this article (Piast Dragon) is pure OR and 99% of the content here is unreferenced, or referenced to unreliable or primary sources. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 10:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 10:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Article about a local secondary school which fails to assert notability. Links are to government lists of schools and routine local press coverage that confirms that the school exists, but there is nothing to show any particular notability. There are a number of other articles for these "Outwood" schools that are similar. Flip Format ( talk) 11:28, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP. No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Does not appear notable, article may only have been created because he did have a notable daughter, not everyone to have been awarded the King's Police Medal is notable, it's not like e.g. the Victoria Cross. PatGallacher ( talk) 00:36, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 01:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Portland and Western Railroad#Locomotive fleet. Redirecting as it's stated all of the relevant content has been Merged. Liz Read! Talk! 03:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Fails GNG. No indication of notability in article. One article is from a possible RS and contains SIGCOV of the subject's paint scheme. Other sources are either SELFPUB or just lists that include the subject (or are both). ~ Pbritti ( talk) 02:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to Majlis-ash-Shura. If there is a disagreement about the Redirect target article, please discuss it on the Redirect talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 02:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Redirect to Hamas#Leadership_and_structure, which already includes pretty much all the information in this unnecessary WP:CFORK. Longhornsg ( talk) 02:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was speedy delete by Kuru as WP:CSD#G5. ✗ plicit 10:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Subject is not notable. References on the page are about the World Designing Forum and also fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA (same as the ones I found in a WP:BEFORE. CNMall41 ( talk) 19:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Jews for Racial and Economic Justice. Liz Read! Talk! 01:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Non-notable radio show by an activist group. No WP:SIGCOV and both sources are WP:PROMO anyway. Longhornsg ( talk) 01:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 00:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Georgian women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found in my searches were passing mentions like 1 and 2. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 00:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
The subject, a Montenegrin women's footballer, has not received sufficient in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG. This is the closest thing to WP:SIGCOV I found. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
The result was redirect to List of Cyprus women's international footballers. Liz Read! Talk! 00:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Redirect to List of Cyprus women's international footballers. Not to be confused with the singer of the same name. Fails WP:GNG with a lack of significant coverage from independent sources. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)