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... I read your essay, and I've had wikifriends help me no end, both in what I consider high exposure areas of the project, and from discussion at Talk pages. I had some good advice from one with regard to my really shitty remarks towards yourself last year, and I attempted and made a grudging miserable apology at the time.
Your response to what I did, measured and I think generous toward me, gave me pause to examine my behaviour. It was was nasty and mean and totally unwarranted, and I'm very sorry. - Roxy the dog 20:51, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi, at the Poland-WW2 case request, you wrote "ArbCom's biggest mistake since FRAM. ". Considering the caps, I know what you mean, but could you perhaps just for the sake of clarity change it to Framban or a link or so? Fram ( talk) 08:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Regarding this edit: fyi, the shortcut you used for the text "Education Noticeboard" points to Wikipedia:Editnotice. I'd fix it, but... I probably shouldn't edit someone else's comments in a case request. isaacl ( talk) 16:45, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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This is a most interesting comment in light of our previous discussion with North8000 et al.
Also, what happened with this draft? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 21:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
I think the discussions fell prey to the same issue as most of these disputes do: if editors are more content with the status quo (which by the nature of English Wikipedia's consensus traditions, includes veto power by relatively small groups of like-minded editors) than not getting exactly what they want, they don't have enough incentive to work towards compromise solutions. This results in discussions ballooning with options. This is handled in the offline world by delegating to a working committee to whittle down choices, but on English Wikipedia, many editors feel they should be able to engage directly, and thus the network of conversations multiply even further. I think it may still be helpful to recommend RfCs in future cases, even if history tells us many contentious RfCs fail, because some succeed in reaching a result, and it's hard to predict ahead of time which way an RfC will go. I think mandating an RfC is only going to work in cases where a very specific question needs to be answered. If it's something that needs discussion to establish scope, the community is going to discuss whatever it wants to discuss during that preparation phase, which can include reaching a decision that it doesn't want to discuss it further.
One thing that disappointed me is that I don't recall anyone saying, "I do a lot of new page patrolling, and this is what would help me." I was hoping that those most affected by rapid creation of articles would lead the discussion. isaacl ( talk) 01:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Is an SPA now on at least their third attempt to create a puff bio of a NN individual. Thanks Mccapra ( talk) 11:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Hey. Moaning here for a sec, I wish you hadn't atoped that discussion between Draco and myself. And I also wish I'd done a copy/paste job of my reply before clicking the "1 new message" button. I was writing a reply to Draco's last message with my thoughts on the closure, where I'd written a three or so paragraph alternate closure that diverged a bit from the original RfC closure, referring to relevant policies. Alas now I have to try and type it out from memory :'(
Not your fault. I shoulda copy/pasted the comment before letting the page re-bubble, and the WMF really should have allowed for a more graceful comment restore in situations like this. Oh well, back to my memory I go! Sideswipe9th ( talk) 03:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
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Today I have a story about two pieces we sang at church, today. - Do you watch Mozart? Perhaps you could tell some new editors a bit about history? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:40, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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... and today the regional festival - DYK of 13 years ago ;) - Regarding the above: I would happily go without terms such as "infobox nasty", "infobox warriors", "infobox disruption", - all simply ambiguous. One user's disruption is the addition of an infobox, but for me, it's rather the removal of a long-standing infobox, often silently in the middle of revamping an article to FA status. Take Laurence Olivier, for example. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:32, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
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Sorry to be a bother, but I have been following along the Holocaust in Poland case and I notice that Klein will probably be added as a party. She's been given a notification on her talk page, but it seems quite plausible that she hasn't seen it yet; I feel it's important to make sure she's aware of the discussion. Has an arbitrator sent her an email or otherwise made contact with her? (I'm only reaching out to you specifically because you seem the most active arbitrator in this case, and I wasn't sure of the proper place to ask this question.) Shells-shells ( talk) 21:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
You asked me a question at deletion review, and I'm not answering there because Sandstein has closed the discussion so I shouldn't edit the page. Hence my reply here.
If the disputed content were userfied to me, I would have a list of the contributors. I could copy/paste that list to a special attribution page, which would look a lot like this one. Then I could perform the proposed merge with an edit summary like Xeno's here. This enables a content merge that's compliant with the terms of use, without the need to perform a history merge.
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It only took 11 years. I'm so happy :D Maybe in three more years, we'll start granting administrative privileges based on reaching a consensus on the pros and cons of the candidate. isaacl ( talk) 03:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi I’ve just moved this work in progress to draft but I’m concerned about the “Research” section, which is clearly cut and pasted from somewhere. I wanted to request a revdel of the edit that added the material as it’s pretty clearly a copyvio. Trouble is I can’t find a source for it so the curation tool won’t let me log that request. I wanted an admin to take a look and decide what to do. Thanks Mccapra ( talk) 02:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working on my first GA Review here and I was wondering if you could look over it to make sure I've done things alright.
Also, what's he best way to check for plagiarism? Just copy and paste the page somewhere? -- Zoo ( talk) 17:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Barkeep. I have a concern about contentious topics. Per this, I-bans can be imposed as contentious topics restrictions by a single uninvolved administrator. But how does that work with the alerts the users have been getting? Is it enough that they've received the {{ Contentious topics/alert/first}} template about some topic, or have otherwise shown awareness of the contentious topics system? And would it only apply to topics in the ct system altogether? Several topics are involved in the case I'm thinking of: I don't want the users to interact anywhere on Wikipedia. The I-bans wouldn't be much use, and very easy to game, if they only applied to certain topics. Can I do that, and how should it be worded? And here you thought the new system would be less bureaucratic than the old discretionary sanctions! Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 17 March 2023 (UTC).
Just noting that there are some questions here. Perhaps this is not the talk page to post them? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:06, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure about why ER is posting evidence about Aryan Valley, etc. which is squarely outside of the purview of the arbitration case. Do note that they fail to ping the "two other editors" who were apparently colluding with me in that article. I will request that arbitrators enforce some minimum standards. TrangaBellam ( talk) 05:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
They are not parties. The link is out of scope but there for the pattern. It will probably be removed as unnecessary from what I am seeing. Plenty of pattern in Poland. Aryan Valley is the AFDed article referred in the intro. But yeah.. go and delete if you see fit, Barkeep. I have plenty of examples. Note that @ TrangaBellam: did not ping me to this discussion. Elinruby ( talk) 06:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Engaging in legitimate and necessary dispute resolutionexception but I think you two might have pushed beyond those boundaries. Barkeep49 ( talk) 14:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
As to the interaction ban, how about she doesn't post a screed about me on the talk page at ArbCom hmm? I tried to at least not address her directly, but what am I supposed to do about that? I'm actually trying here but what I have here is a stalker who claims that *I* stalk *her*. I'm new at this level of craycray but meanwhile she's singlehandedly caused a huge amount of harm. Obviously right now I am collecting diffs but I assure you, my goal here is to put her on someone else's radar and live happily ever after without her coming around to beg me to take her to some Noticeboard. Elinruby ( talk) 14:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you, but I might have been a bit clumsy here. If I understand the way the material is organised, I should have left just a short line with diffs in the "Evidence" page and placed my analysis/comments in the "Analysis" page. Is this correct? If so, should I remedy now by moving the analysis to the "Analysis" page? Thanks, Gitz ( talk) ( contribs) 15:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
I saw your response at the reviewers talk page. Since your are one of the admins formerly or currently involved in Autopatrolled, I am interested in your opinion in a specific case.
I came across Pvmoutside, who is a prolific stub creator since over 10 years. At the beginning of his wikipedia career he also created some start class articles. Pvmoutsid was given the autopatrolled rights by an editor who is no longer editing since 2012. I have also requested advice of another admin involved in autopatrolled but as to the 1 March 2023, he didn't respond. I wonder what your conclusion is here, but I would remove autopatrolled rights from Pvmoutside, but explain to them that it is beneficial to their articles to get a review. Then the reviewers could tag their articles for too technical, no image, lead to short etc. if deemed necessary. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 05:24, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
This is probably the most convoluted Arb Case I've ever seen. Initial arguments for the case have been removed from the case's proposal within the final case (including the initial posting by GeneralNotability). My name in particular is listed in Arb responses to remarks I made, but were not included.
Second, I would argue that the FAQ isn't clearly linked as a requirement (it isn't mentioned beyond the header nor is it linked as part of the directions) nor is the paper clearly listed as evidence already in submission. If it is, the FAQ should clearly say so.
Third, it isn't clear that the paper is being considered. If it is, then I have no issue and look forward to the ruling. If it is not, then people should be allowed to submit it as evidence and then make arguments in reference to it. ArbCom can accept, reject, or address such arguments as they see fit.
Lastly, it sounds very much like what you are looking for is arguments, not evidence (which is putting the cart before the horse). If you are looking for someone to rehash the paper and re-make the arguments regarding editor behavior that were already made, but in some sort of wiki format...that seems incredibly redundant and unnecessary. Is that what you're looking for? Buffs ( talk) 21:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Barkeep49. I realize you have more than enough work already with the ArbCom Holocaust in Poland case and I am by no means trying to add more to your plate. However, I recently noticed that one of the editors submitted evidence related to TrangaBellam's conduct using a diff of TB's response made to my post. Specifically,
this response was used to support an accusation of TrangaBellam acting in bad faith
. I've been cautious so as not to get directly involved in the case for a variety of reasons, although I don't believe it is fair to frame TB's response to me in such terms and I wanted to express this to one of the arbitrators. If this is not the correct route to take, kindly let me know. Thank you dearly!
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Barkeep49, I've been observing some of the long-term behavioral issues concerning WP:WPTC and any of its sister organizations such as WP:WEATHER. There was a suggestion made about calling for it to be declared a contentious topic, but not as much certainty as to how to go about it. This is indicated by the recurring instances of weather-related disputes being brought to WP:AN, or most recently, the dragging-forth of FleurDeOdile to ArbCom without proper cause. In your unofficial opinion (i.e. not speaking from the capacity of one who would arbitrate such a case), is there any merit to me requesting a case to have ArbCom review the project's behavior and whether WP:CTOP is called for? Or would I be better off requesting an RfC? Or neither? ⛵ WaltClipper -( talk) 12:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
These are specially designated topics that have attracted more persistent disruptive editing than the rest of the project and have been designated as contentious topics by the Arbitration Committeeemphasis added). Part of the name change was to make it clearer what was community owned and what was ArbCom owned. So if you propose it, you'd be proposing General Sanctions. The second piece is I would recommend wording along the lines of "Enact community General Sanctions on Foo topic area, to match the Contentious Topics procedure and to allow for the option of enforcement at Arbitration Enforcement" (assuming you want those things). Now all that said, if you go to ArbCom and ArbCom does say "the community can handle it" well that still leaves the community handling as an option. Hope that helps, Barkeep49 ( talk) 15:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Sorry to be dense, but where do I submit evidence in response to Summarized evidence? Thanks. Zero talk 06:09, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, would it be possible to modify the protection level of Murder of Don Banfield up to ECP? I see you previously introduced the protection requiring autoconfirmed access and noted that you could upgrade it to ECP if required [1]. There is a disruptive user [2] who keeps reinstating disputed content [3], [4]. I had removed the content they had added for a number of reasons, including the fact that other editors had surmised that this user had a possible conflict of interest issue [5] (seemingly confirmed in their edit summaries [6]). However, the user kept reinstating, despite my attempt to open a talk page discussion, explaining that the the onus was on them to seek consensus to include disputed content [7]. The user ignored this and hasn't responded, and instead began to edit war without consensus: [8]. I can see there has previosuly been some sockpuppetry to do with this page and that this may still be continuing: [9], and the user in question in this case appears to largely be a single-purpose account [10]. Therefore, would it be possible for you to increase the protection level? Many thanks. ErraticDrumlin ( talk) 07:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I have responded to these points. My additions are valid, and I have not intended to be disruptive but to add information regarding this case. erraticDrumlin seems to have an attempt to promote a particular interest, the judges actual comments and reasoning, and I included the defence arguments because prior to this only one side was shown. It also misquoted cites, and if you've read the entire case it was more complex. Some people are interested in the legality, and interpretation of the case, not just the salacious tabloid details, as entered by a sockpuppet. It stood for weeks, and other editors seemed happy. I have declared an interest in the case, but am not being paid for this. I feel that my contributions balanced the exclusively prosecution arguments and gave an insight into the judges findings and reasoning. I think that it is helpful. Thank you for your trouble with this. Beautiful Rosie ( talk) 07:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
it's a Linux command and a geeky pun as the title of that section on my Commons page. Feel free to omit it if you summarize that section. It won't hurt my feelings if you don't summarize it, btw, but given further sanctions for an inability to play nice with others were being discussed when I arrived at Bishonen's page, I felt it needed to be pointed out. However if you don't like whoami, I'd prefer that you or I replace it with a different header, because who am I sounds...I don't know, kind of jejeune to me. Thanks for your consideration, and perhaps Arbcom is not the place for geeky puns. <g> Elinruby ( talk) 07:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Would it be possible to submit evidence anonymously to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Evidence?
The Polish group has made their intention of payback very clear: [12] [13], driving away at least one editor: [14] [15]
In my case, I'm not involved in the topic at all outside of perhaps a noticeboard post. However, I am concerned like Horse Eye's Back that opening up with evidence against the Polish group will lead to coordinated voting against my position in other topics.
I am aware that e-mailing Arbcom is a possibility, however the Polish group has at least one sympathetic Arb on the committee who will forward that kind of correspondence. 172.58.60.97 ( talk) 13:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
however the Polish group has at least one sympathetic Arb on the committee who will forward that kind of correspondence.is a really serious accusation. If there is an arb forwarding correspondence to/from the committee we need to address that. But in my 3 years of being on the committee I have seen no evidence of this. If you have evidence of this please find a way to get it either to the committee or to an individual arb.As to the request itself I will discuss with the other drafters. The entire topic area is under extended confirmed restrictions for a reason and owing to the serious and severe harassment that many editors in this topic area - and here it's the Polish editors to a greater extent - have experienced, allowing IP evidence could set an uncomfortable precedent. Barkeep49 ( talk) 14:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
I don't want to clutter up the ARC page with another useless statement, so I figured I'd drop a note here since you submitted the motion in this case request. If it does pass and go to a suspended case, it would be a better idea to name it Dbachmann 2, since Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Dbachmann already existed as a case (before being renamed Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ancient Egyptian race controversy) and it could cause confusion or problems with links/redirects. The Wordsmith Talk to me 16:05, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for watching over Mozart. Did you see this? I linked to my arbcom sentence in a later response, imagine, but no response. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
You have attacked me on the Evidence page. I am topic banned. Xx236 ( talk) 09:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Conduct of named parties in the topic areas of World War II history of Poland and the history of the Jews in Poland, broadly construed. Given how much pain this brings you, I wonder why you're watching the pages (and the talk pages at that). I can assure you that I will not be pinging you so that you're forced to see your name involuntarily. Barkeep49 ( talk) 14:49, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Morning @ Barkeep49: How are you? I notice that on the [Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Analysis] that the name Icewhiz is mentioned a full 56 times on that page. It is almost like that old NLP thing from the late 90's. I'm sure that Icewhiz must be drawning succour from their name printed so many times. Is there anyway the name could be disguised perhaps using an alias or a cover name, or is that even a thing, to perhaps lessen their impact, or would even doing that be more grist for their mill. It just seems excessive being mentioned so many times, since its been almost a year since their latest incarnation left. I don't know if there precedents in history for this sort of thing. I wonder if anybody else has noticed it or is worth noticing? scope_creep Talk 09:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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Arb case, Francois Robere evidence summary, February timeline:
"The content remains unchanged until April 15 2:52 - 5:50 when Piotrus makes a 7 edits all under 250 bytes"
I threatened to turn Gitz into a frog if he didn't stop saying that I argue with him. I'm thinking he probably won't even see it, since he as announced he doesn't read my posts. (Although AGF maybe he's a reformed soul now) But it's not a threat unless he reads it, right? Elinruby ( talk) 11:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
he shared no less than 19 diffs (!) of Elinruby arguing with me in the RU area
@Gitz6666: cough, small point but: I read those diffs as *you* arguing with *me*, while, given that you weren't listening anyway, I tried to disengage from trying to explain the French conditional tense to you. Small as this point may be, and not in evidence, other people are reading the page who are not necessarily going to go read the diffs. So as somebody who just put into evidence a positive contribution from you, I suggest you take a deep breath, consider the ways that you may come across that you possibly do not intend, and measure your words. If you feel the need to explain to me that you did not say what you clearly did say here, I hereby unban you from my talk page in the interest of protecting Barkeep's sanity.
Finally, he shared no less than 19 diffs (!) of Elinruby arguing with me in the RU area.and also, a little further down in the same post:
My purpose would not be to relitigate my topic ban, as VM says, but to be consistent with what I have been saying for months, e.g. on 15 December 2022, From my point of view, the EE controversy stems from the fact that there are 3 or 4 users who cause disruption by engaging in nationalist editing ... I may be right, I may be wrong, but from my point of view this is the "global" issue of the EE area, and it affects the war in Ukraine only indirectly. From my point of view, the EE controversy stems from the fact that there are 3 or 4 users who cause disruption by engaging in nationalist editing ... I may be right, I may be wrong, but from my point of view this is the "global" issue of the EE area, and it affects the war in Ukraine only indirectly.
Why do we keep having to have this conversation? I really wish Gitz would stop saying that, it's really annoying
For the sake of everyone else's sanity, I told you at the evidence talk page to take it up with me on my talk page if you weren't able to stop claiming that I argue with you. Dude. I avoid *talking* to you, let alone arguing. I will have to turn you into a frog or something if you don't stop saying that. Please acknowledge that you have read and understood this. At my talk page.Elinruby ( talk) 19:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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I objected to this edit. The FAQ is clear that evidence, even if not summarized, cannot be removed once replied to. But ER appears to clarify that they won't tamper with this evidence but merely add more diffs? I think that is allowed. TrangaBellam ( talk) 15:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, also, someone else tightened up my refs, and someone else deleted part of my contributions, and I thought fair enough, but erraticDrumlin, I think for unclear reasoning behind it deleted everything. Not considering that there may be some value. Beautiful Rosie ( talk) 07:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Editing a Wikipedia article on yourself is, in most cases, strongly discouraged.It then talks about what is and isn't OK. Please re-read that page. If necessary I will make it so you can only comment on the talk page. I don't wish to do that but you need to engage in discussion and in discussion on the article talk page.Erratic: I agree that Beautiful is trying to get up to extended confirmed. Just trying to do that is not against the rules. From a quick glance I don't see anything that suggests that they are gaming the system, which would be against the rules. They are not, for instance, making an edit and reverting themselves in a loop. They are instead making a whole bunch of copy-editing edits suggested by the newcomer interface which is an appropriate way for an editor to accumulate edits. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
at some point I would like to discuss this with you: However, the inability of these two editors to get along at even a basic level is why Bishonen imposed a topic ban on them yesterday. Both editors have simply moved their issues with each other to this case as participation at ArbCom does qualify for an exception to the iBAN. 15:04, 18 March 2023 Barkeep49 (talk) 14:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
as I think that summary is pretty unfair, to at least me, and though I don't speak for the other editor, probably to her too. Yet it isn't an edit summary, so it isn't clear whether I should formally appeal on the talk page or just point out to you here that she and I have been quite free to get into a confrontation for days and days and days now. That isn't why either one of us is here imho. Don't want to beat you over the head, so I guess -- just let me know if I should bring this up at the talk page. Thanks. Not asking for a particular administrative action, just an acknowledgement that I said what I just said
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she and I have been quite free to get into a confrontation for days and days and days now. That isn't why either one of us is here imho.or is there more? Barkeep49 ( talk) 21:30, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
the inability of these two editors to get along at even a basic level is why Bishonen imposed a topic ban on them. Hopefully you two will be able to move on from each other and co-exist and the TB can be lifted. But the fact that there hasn't been more conflict while you're both parties to a case at arbcom is how things are supposed to work. Barkeep49 ( talk) 22:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
If I wanted to ask a general question / have a general discussion about how ArbCom handles something (and WP:ARCA isn't appropriate because it isn't about an existing case), what is the latest best mechanism for that? Open a thread at WT:ACN? At WT:RFAR? Surely not WT:AC? -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 18:00, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
for losing the trust or confidence of the community. What I'm trying to do is have the community come to a consensus that "yes, this admin has lost our trust and confidence so please proceed". I only suggested it because there seems to be nearly unanimous consensus that this user shouldn't be an administrator, as opposed to many previous incidents that were much more complex and a full case or Arbcom investigation was definitely needed. Once this is over I plan on seeing if I can tease out a draft of something more formal, but it would only work in unambiguous cases like this one. Maybe something built on the bones of the old WP:RFC/U, but heavily restricted to prevent the flaws inherent to that process. The Wordsmith Talk to me 19:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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You (and the rest of the current arbitration committee) have made the big time: featured in a Half as Interesting video! [30] Its description of the dispute resolution process is reasonably good for a general audience. It does skip over the fact that the arbitration process doesn't specifically address content issues. isaacl ( talk) 16:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry I'm a little bit confused about where to respond to ya'll's questions [31]. It says respond on Evidence page but evidenc page is closed, no? Or "above as a section under #Analysis of evidence as appropriate." Mmmm, I'm probably being dense here but where is "above"? Thanks. Volunteer Marek 19:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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Since you removed some edit summaries of KittyCat68, would appreciate if you also could revdel the edits between these (inclusive). — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 18:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion at WP:BLP/Noticeboard#Flyer22_Frozen that concerns an action you made. Thank you. Kolya Butternut ( talk) 19:43, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion at WP:AN#Revision_deletion_review_-_WT:Deceased which concerns an action you made. (Sorry, I would have posted here initially if I had realized.) Kolya Butternut ( talk) 23:20, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I and others have proposed additional options at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC_on_a_procedural_community_desysop. You may wish to review your position in that RfC. TonyBallioni ( talk) 02:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
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So it's your own fault you got a pile of words. Now I need to regain that hour and a half I lost .... from productive work on horse research... Ealdgyth ( talk) 18:14, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hey there. This redirect is protected, but the target should be changed, it was targeted to Ride (TV series), but that article was moved to Ride (Canadian TV series), to allow the creation of the new American TV series. I can't fix the target due to the page protection. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 09:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Re [32] - my apologies, I failed to notice that this was just stuff being moved and for some reason thought it was new material. Volunteer Marek 17:57, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
To your question here (I don't know where to post the reply, feel free to copy it wherever you think is best).
I guess the decision is based on consideration on whether privacy is needed, for example to reduce the chance of harassment, both to myself and to the other parties. Some emails could contain discussion of harassment, including how I am affected by it, and similar stuff I don't necessarily feel to make a part of public record. An email could also, for example, contain a friendly warning to behave better, without leaving that warning in one's public record, per my thoughts here. Over the years I have become increasingly concerned not only about how people may use what I say against me, but also, how they can use what I say against others. We are responsible not only for protecting ourselves, but protecting others, and the community in general. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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I was editing Good Christian Fun and cited a source by Vox that refers to the author by their deadname. I'm not very familiar with the guidelines surrounding this and it looks like you were the only admin involved in the discussion on Talk:Emily St. James. I was curious whether I should change the name in both the prose as well as the cited source even though the deadname is used in the source itself. I started a section here Talk:Good_Christian_Fun, but I doubt I'll get any responses so I figured I would ask someone involved. TipsyElephant ( talk) 20:49, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding the recently posted proposed decision: my watchlist hasn't been so flooded on a single topic since the WMF undertook a certain controversial office action... At least this time there's just one busy page. The problem with the earlier situation is that related conversation dominated the history of so many pages I watch, making my watchlist useless. I tried the feature where you can monitor changes to pages linked from a given page, but once you take a page off your watchlist, you can no longer see what revisions you have already viewed, so it didn't help me view just the new changes. In any case, I imagine conversation will diminish much more quickly this time. isaacl ( talk) 22:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
That's what one finds when looking for the meaning of "FoF" - nothing in the WP:Glossary, no [[WP:FoF]] on this project, and if one uses the search box, one gets to the conclusion that you and others are worried about the Future of Forestry. Please let me know what FoF means and I'll update the Glossary. Gitz ( talk) ( contribs) 19:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, in the "Reliable sourcing restriction (clarification)" section "a peer-reviewed scholarly journals" should be "a peer-reviewed scholarly journal". Cheers, Zero talk 03:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
I am not really certain that I am not. If I am, I should probably strike that part of my remarks before it confuses anyone else.
As always, I have other questions, but this is the one that seems urgent at the moment. Asking here because my section of the talk page is already kind of ADD and I don't want to make it any harder to read. I will however move the question there if you tell me that that's the thing to do. Elinruby ( talk) 19:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
That "None of the named players in this area area new and only Levivich doesn't have a long history at ArbCom in this topic area so we don't need to start from scratch as we normally do with enforcement." (from this diff) isn't meant to include myself in the "long history at ArbCom"? (I think most folks have forgotten that I'm actually a named party to this case.. heh). Ealdgyth ( talk) 22:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Barkeep. I understand why you removed the cent notification for the airlines destination lists bundled AFD and agree that for just a single AFD these don't belong on CENT, but this is the result of a long-running dispute that over the years has been at VPP, AN, and multiple times at AFD and really could do with some fresh eyes on it (though obviously all the relevant projects are notified). Very happy to keep it off CENT if that's your call but just thought I'd make my case just in case. FOARP ( talk) 17:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for being willing to close that close review. Valereee ( talk) 15:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I understand what the ibans in the recent decision were about, I think, even if I think that they are an argument for adopting the principle of legality. But. I had been talking to several of those people separately and would like to continue to do so post-decision. Do I need to establish a convention that I will talk to them on their user pages instead of on mine? I am assuming that these ibans apply to my user page, even if they are talking about different things in different sections? I am assuming the answer is yes, in which please consider this a mild complaint. If I am wrong though, please do tell. Elinruby ( talk) 23:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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While I'm commenting something that has struck me and caused me to think quite a bit, as an uninvolved editor, is a theory around repeated conversations that I was first introduced to regarding requested moves. The theory is that if there are repeated proposals to do a move, and which all are close but are closed with no move, the issue doesn't go away until finally a discussion closes with moving the page. At which point there doesn't seem to be nearly the same effort (and often no effort) to move it back suggesting we should have probably done the page move far earlier and something in our processes was broken. This theory has largely held true in my experience around RMs.
I saw this comment you made on Roy's page and was interested in the underlying theory but didn't want to reply there as to focus on it seemed off topic; I hope you don't mind me opening a conversation here.
My interpretation of this would be different; I see three possible reasons for this that don't align with our processes being broken in that manner:
Because of this third reason I don't read much into the lack of effort in the opposite direction. While it's possible our processes are broken and the move should have been done much earlier, it's also possible that our processes are broken in that they reward tendentious editors and the move should not have been done at all. BilledMammal ( talk) 07:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
"All those discussion attempts should have been taken as a clue that the article is at the wrong title."and later
"The impression I have of move moratoriums is that their existence is evidence that the article is at the wrong title."Perhaps one of my profound comments will be quoted in the eventual essay written about this phenomenon. – bradv 18:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
But in the moves I'm talking about it's not the same editor repeatedly starting the move discussion.I would suggest the third reason can also apply when the requests come from multiple like-minded editors; the "side" that is more invested in the dispute. This is also where our processes start to break down; the same editor making repeated requests can be addressed as a conduct issue, but that rarely applies when it is a group of editors.
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I've updated that essay to capture motions in lieu of a full case. Surprisingly, unless I've missed a bunch somehow, motions seem to have started to make sort of a comeback since 2022. I'm posting here instead of case request as I'm not sure how much it would fall under "helping decide if a case is necessary". At any rate, I'd rather kibbitz here rather than there. :-) Maxim ( talk) 13:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hello! I know that you said at WP:CR that you had endeavored to close part of the MOS:GENDERID RFC (I assume topic 1). I wanted to give you a heads up that another editor had closed topic 1.
I also wanted to apologize if your efforts proved to be a considerable time drain, as that would chiefly be my fault. On the one hand, I feel somewhat proud of the RFC set up—an RFCBEFORE at VPI got fairly messy fairly quickly, and I wanted to split off aspects of that discussion to facilitate discussion, while still crafting options that represented what had been proposed. On the other hand, I realize that my decision to segment the RFC as I did made it considerably harder on any closer. It, unfortunately, does not surprise me that you started on closing the RFC but weren't able to finish before you had to attend to other matters. Regardless, while I realize it has to be frustrating to have nothing to show for your effort, I wanted to thank you for it, and I wanted to apologize for any needless burden I may have caused.-- Jerome Frank Disciple 15:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
When I saw that you weren't sure of your capacity, I figured I could step in and take that off your plate. Sorry if that led to you wasting time reviewing the discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 13:54, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
However, I've been sucked back to ArbCom because of the particulars of a case request so while I have opened this up and begun to read it, I'm not sure what my actual capacity for closing will be.and the lack of a {{ doing}} template as an invitation for someone to close it if they had they time and motivation. I'm sorry for misreading that, and that's on me.
And that's the biggest problem with the close as it stands, it's just passing the buck and setting up yet another one of those clusterfuck discussions with diminishing returns, as uninvolved editors don't really seem to give a shit. We got the most participation we're going to see on the topic in that RFC, and it was summarily ignored in the close, and any further discussions are going to be back to the same group of editors with the same opinions divided down the middle.It's a bit similar to what you've said, although I was more worked up, but it still comes down to a close which doesn't necessarily move us forward. I did what I complained about in that close review, and now I feel like an ass for spouting off like I did because I made the best close I could based on my reading of this discussion and consensus and ended with the same kind of result.
Thanks for protecting Daniel Wayne Smith. Could you do the same with Dannielynn Birkhead? The same person has been trying to undo the redirect there too. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 15:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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Real life yuk is preventing me from keeping up anywhere, and I am reduced to the most mundane tasks recently, so I've been unable to contribute here with more advice about how to better handle copyright issues. I remain concerned that the thread has been removed for the second time, before I could add some advice for BoyTheKingCanDance; if copyvio is not caught early (and that editor created over a dozen articles in one day), it can become an entrenched problem. I am wondering why BTKCD does not archive many talk threads, but moved these two off their page so quickly. Some practical advice about how to watch for and detect copyvio is in order. But I am too busy to engage right now and must back out. Bst, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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I was reading your comments at WT:AN, and I thought you might be interested in this discussion. I would value your thoughts on this. There, here, wherever : ) - jc37 12:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
I have moved the discussions under Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022 § Topics to review for 2023 to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023. Please feel free to continue discussion on the 2023 talk page! isaacl ( talk) 21:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
I have never reviewed a good article before and have some questions and would like a second pair of eyes on my first attempt: /info/en/?search=Talk:Fanya_Baron/GA1 Bart Terpstra ( talk) 15:32, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi Barkeep49, sorry but I don't understand something you said to me at BHG case request, and I don't want to clutter up the case request page, so I thought I'd ask for some clarification here. You wrote: @Paul August: I could wikilawyer why I think you could have undone your own block, but unlike a community ban or some other community sanction, which an individual, even the one implementing, can't undo without consensus, this was still a grant to individual admin and I don't think the community had any desire to impose a kafkaesque one way imposition on that grant to individual admins. This is based, in no small part, on my re-read of the discussion about sanctions that led to this editing restriction a few days ago.
I can't quite parse this ;-) but I think you are saying the community who proposed and adopted that editing restriction did not intend to prevent the blocking admin from unblocking. Is that correct? Thanks.
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Thanks. While I understand your hypothetical wikilawyer argument (and possibly agree, although I probably wouldn't make such an argument, just as I'd probably never invoke WP:IAR), I don't read the communities intent the way you do. For example see this snippet from that discussion:
As has been pointed out, this proposal prevents even the blocking admin from unblocking, and it's doubtful that any admin will want to make a block that they would be prohibited from undoing, and thus this proposal will make BHG more difficult to block, which seems to be the opposite of the intended effect. Levivich 13:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Oppose The idea that even the blocking admin can't unblock is nonsensical. Black Kite (talk) 15:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
@Black Kite: That's a fair comment. That said, do you really foresee a problem here? Is it at all likely someone will block, citing this discussion, and then turn around and say "eh, I was wrong" before the community has overturned the block? I have a hard time seeing how someone could make such a big mistake. If the blocking admin quickly *does* conclude they were in the wrong, their voice at the discussion would probably settle it quickly. However, allowing for a self-overturn would potentially put a ton of pressure on that one admin during the discussion. I think this is the right way to go. Hobit (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Switched to oppose - It is ridiculous, per Black Kite, for there not to be an exception for the blocking admin to reverse their own block. --WaltCip-(talk) 16:53, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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As an addendum to the above, given Seraphimblade's statement, it now seems I was wrong about what that sentence was intended to mean. Paul August ☎ 16:17, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
You might be famous. See the first two paragraphs of this New York Times article Wikipedia’s Moment of Truth. There might be more mentions of you, but I don't know because I just started reading it. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 15:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Ironically, a couple of hours ago I'm looking at the NYT and I see this article "Wikipedia’s Moment of Truth Can the online encyclopedia help teach A.I. chatbots to get their facts right — without destroying itself in the process?" and I start to read it (how could I not?) and low and behold I find that the editor that I've just been interacting with over the course of the previous several hours (see above discussion) is featured prominently in the opening paragraphs ;-) Paul August ☎ 19:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed you were the one to suggest the wording to be included for the 2021 SNG RfC, a wording that still is present to this day. However there is one part of the paragraph that I find confusing: "Wikipedia articles are generally written based on in-depth, independent, reliable sourcing with some subject-specific exceptions relating to independence." More specifically, the part that reads "relating to independence". Since I received no replies at Wikipedia talk:Notability § Confusing passage, I wanted to ask for clarification from the person who wrote the paragraph in the first place. Thank you! Ca talk to me! 11:24, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding ...I think it's better that any conditions of an unblock are worked out between the committee which would be unblocking her and BHG
, I suggest inserting commas after "committee" and "her". (I spent some time trying to figure out why the committee is unblocking both "her" and "BHG".) Or perhaps to avoid the pronoun coming before its referent, rewording to "Given that the siteban of BHG is passing, I think it's better that any conditions of an unblock are worked out between the committee and her."
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While LL's comments regarding Jewish categories sound odd without context I am sure he meant no harm. Having a long history with LL I am convinced he means that as a Christian he'd better stay out of discussions about Judaism because it is outside his expertise area. (Not sure if it is wise to post this comment at the arbcom talk page though.) Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Dear Barkeep49, thank you and the rest of the Arbcom again for all the work you've done on the recent difficult case. Given WP:POLEMIC and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Principles#Evidence sub-pages in user space, may I request User:BrownHairedGirl/Draft evidence in SmallCat case to be courtesy blanked? Evidently the user in question will not be able to perform this action herself, and as an involved party to the case, I didn't think it would be appropriate for me to personally nominate it for deletion. So I thought I'd present the question to you, given that we've talked about it before during the case, but those talk pages are now closed. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 08:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
not maintain in public view negative informationis a bit ambiguous. The text cannot be directly accessed anymore, but two clicks away the text can still be found by anyone, i.e. "the public". WP:CBLANK suggests
When either courtesy blanking or xfd-blanking is used, the actual content remains accessible via the edit history. In more serious cases, the entire history of the page may be deleted.I can't judge for others how "serious" they have found this case, but the text does claim things like A's extreme misconduct has been repeatedly endorsed by other editors: most notably B, but also C, D, and E. I am one of those named people. Although the baseless allegations of the misconduct in question have never been proven, they did call our reputation into question, and damaged it for no good reason. Although I haven't been very upset about it personally, it did seriously upset at least one of the other named people. Would it be proportional to make the history invisible? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 14:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend with two weddings, so also like the spirit ;) - Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme (mentioned in July, remember?) for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I see I have to write more to connect the image to the header ;) - Today is the anniversary of the premiere of Götterdämmerung. Berit Lindholm sang its final scene in concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, only four years after her stage debut in a Mozart opera in Stockholm. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:28, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Today I heard a delightful concert, "Himmlische Freuden", remembered having heard Vilde Frang ( Bruch concerto, in Zürich, with my brother's orchestra) , and succeeded in preparing Renata Scotto's article enough for the Main page (which took two days). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Today is Debussy's birthday. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hello Barkeep49, I have seen your Contributions and profile on Wikipedia and i though you are right person to helping out me for editing. actually im new editer on Wikipedia, I created two or three articles on Wikipedia for movie and contributed for other but that time im working on biography article Draft:Sangramsingh_Thakur befor this time the draft rejected by Wikipedian 2 or more times due to lack of sources but this time im added proper sources as per Wikipedia guidelines, so please check this Draft:Sangramsingh_Thakur once and Review it.Thank You Rajmama ( talk) 09:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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Maybe if there was more than one non-admin who 1. wanted to be an arbitrator and 2. actually has a chance of getting more than 50% support, I'd change my mind. casualdejekyll 01:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
I think you are confusing me with User:A. B. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Regarding this edit: did you intend to leave the first change in place, which adds additional context on treating two users as closely connected? isaacl ( talk) 22:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I recently asked GeneralNotability a question in his user talk related to what's necessary for me to make a topic ban appeal, and how to request a finding of fact from ArbCom. However, I noticed he has a box on his user page saying that he's taking a wikibreak, so I think I should mention my question to you also. Do you know the answer to what I asked there? 2600:1004:B11D:E9D:C4AF:7F57:214C:519C ( talk) 15:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Re:I've only used rollback once - to remove deletion stuff as part of moving something across wikis - and have the button hidden via css. I've accidentally used it before, and I'm pretty sure any time I'd be using it, it would be in error, and I'd prefer to just have it disappear. Is there a script or something you recommend? The only one I've found has apparently no users, which makes me a little leery lol...Thanks for any advice! Valereee ( talk) 17:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
I started what has become a sprawling discussion about paid advising. There's been a variety of feedback. The actionable piece that I see is around requiring disclosure of their clients, by admins, if they solicit clients for paid Wikipedia advising or consulting services. The discussion is so sprawling I feel like it would be a mistake to try and workshop RfC language to codify that consensus. So I'm going to do it here instead. Here's my draft language, for which I would appreciate any/all feedback:
Add a sentence to
Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure#Administrators which reads Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.
All comments are welcome but I am going to ping @ Valereee, @ Thryduulf, and @ RoySmith as three people in that conversation who've had differing perspectives but who might have useful feedback. Barkeep49 ( talk) 19:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
editors must not agree to terms of employment that would limit their ability to uphold their ethical responsibility to the Wikipedia communitysounds nice, but well beyond the bargaining capacity of most employees. The realistically ideal behaviour probably approaches self-reporting after obeying the boss. There's rent and bills and everything. Folly Mox ( talk) 08:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Administrator actions in conjunction with paid editing→ "Administrator actions in conjunction with paid editing or paid consulting", or a line effectively communicating "don't use your adminship to solicit money for edits or consulting".
if anyone runs for admin because they want to make money off itThis is again the most assume-bad-faithiest possible interpretation of what I just said. Give me a break with this speculative fiction of admins becoming admins to make money. The reason it makes adminship less appealing is simple: because it adds an ill-defined requirement that applies only to admins and could apply to a range of activities. On one hand, admins with no interest in advising but are engaged with Wikipedia off-wiki will have to navigate a minefield of possible interpretations of the new rule (while there are some "no, no, it wouldn't include x, y, z" comments in the RfC, the language that people are actually !voting on, and which would go into the policy, is ambiguous) . On the other hand, assuming it's at least fathomable that having good faith users provide good advice is a Good Thing given the reality of financial interest in Wikipedia, the people who become admins (regardless of whether they're actually admins) are the people perhaps best equipped to do that job.
I disagree that it's any more of an assumption of bad faith than any requirement for disclosure of a COI represents- Except that with those, there's actually a COI. I'm feeling like I've taken up more than my share of space on this topic at this point, though, so will leave it at that. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Our festival's last concert was most moving and inspiring, - also the story of Walter Arlen, - today I'm proud that I survived the decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX for 10 years, standing and singing -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. Just for fun: when do you think did Mrs. and Mr. Schumann get their infoboxes, and by whom? (The answers can be found here, but please think first.) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:17, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
My story today is The Company of Heaven ("company" with a double meaning, but angelic company in the end). - The one more day got pictures but no other new pictures yet, it's a week with concert or opera every night! In case you don't want to look at the Schumanns, how about Georges Feydeau? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
... or Rossini. Did you see who wrote The Company of Heaven? Company = army, or good company, that is the question. - October to come, but here for context. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hi BK49 - I sent Arbcom and email a few days ago concerning a user who has asked me to consider unblocking their account. I don't want to hassle anyone, I just wanted to make sure that it had been received (I remember a previous time I attempted to email Arbcom it ended up in the wrong inbox...), and whether I should expect a response (even if it's along the lines of 'we can't disclose that'). Hope you're keeping well? Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 17:08, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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Congratulations! - Today's story features an opera singer and opera. (That is a revolution, DYK, because DYK told me that opera is not interesting to the broad audience, and you better say that a manager called a soprano that damn teacher, or that a mezzo performed Carmen 300 times which is just quantity.) - I was pointed (on my talk) to a discussion about a motion regarding arbinfoboxes 2, where you asked for community input. You may want to tell your colleagues about Mozart: no civility problem that I see. - I don't know what input you'd expect from the community, - I had no idea that page even exists. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
More pics, and today's story is on a birthday, and the real DYK was already on that birthday -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
A Romanian woman composer is today's topic. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Today's is about a woman whose life focused on her husband as she said in the title of her autobiography (which was the DYK hook in 2016). Around then, I had to defend an infobox for a composer the last time; the discussion is still on the talk. In 2019, project opera officially discarded the recommendation not to use infoboxes for biographies. Sometimes I feel that users who still believe that the topic is battleground missed some developments, and educating them would be better than blocking them for incivility. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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I saw your comment on the arb board only after I wrote this, and I think that whatever announcement there will probably raise attention. I clicked thank but meant the whole thing, as you may have guessed ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:43, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
One more for that discussion: OTD listed Jacques Arcadelt, and I gave him an infobox without problem. All is calm as long as you don't step on the feet of a handful of editors watching over a few FAs, not more than 100 I guess. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:51, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Smiling: today in that corner of the Main page Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji. That's how composers' FAs came to look. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions, specifically regarding infoboxes2: I gave some feedback now. What I saw was too general for my taste. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
The motion was closed and hatted, just when I thought the conversation was getting interesting. Which other forum could be used? I have a simple idea to solve the civility problem in infoboxes: no more reverts. When a user adds an infobox in 2023, they are not a vandal, nor a warrior, but making a good-faith effort to improve Wikipedia. For example the one who added to Feydeau. These users should not be reverted, but gently being told that there is an old problem. A revert - for my taste - suggests that there was vandalism. Could someone explain that to the very few editors who still revert? SchroCat for Feydeau, and Nikkimaria in most cases I've seen, Cosima Wagner for example, and both with admonishments from previous arbcases that were not rescinded (while I am free of restrictions since 2015). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
The act of one who skirts around something, or avoids it.though in this case one of the definitions Google gave me feels more appropriate
be situated along or around the edge of.Barkeep49 ( talk) 17:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
The topic came up above, and perhaps we should look into it more. Today I met a user who has on their user page: "Please ask if you have concerns or questions before reversing my work". I feel that it is a question of respect of a fellow editor to not simply undo their good-faith-work. With millions of infoboxes on Wikipedia, and new editors joining, no old "infobox-warrior" should expect a user with a new name to even know there ever was some conflict. We who know don't add an infobox to a TFA, for respect of authors' preferences, but if a newcomer does it, I suggest to grant them a bit of friendly explanation instead of a revert citing FA status and nothing else. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I thought of Brian Bouldton today, and his ways to compromise. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Continued in November. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:39, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Barkeep, Just a quick note about the Wikipedia delayed revert on the AN discussion. Sorry to have reverted you, but I think that if thread had been set up like that in the beginning it may have been OK, but it was already quite involved by the time of your split.
I'm never convinced about such splits (similar to those at ArbCom): being pigeon-holed as being from "position" will taint responses away from what is said to who has said it, which isn't the best way. If you want to change it back to the split, feel free: I won't complain about it! Cheers - SchroCat ( talk) 23:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
if thread had been set up like that in the beginning it may have been OK, the thread was set up like that from the beginning, but it was lost in what I assume was an edit conflict. Levivich ( talk) 23:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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... I read your essay, and I've had wikifriends help me no end, both in what I consider high exposure areas of the project, and from discussion at Talk pages. I had some good advice from one with regard to my really shitty remarks towards yourself last year, and I attempted and made a grudging miserable apology at the time.
Your response to what I did, measured and I think generous toward me, gave me pause to examine my behaviour. It was was nasty and mean and totally unwarranted, and I'm very sorry. - Roxy the dog 20:51, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi, at the Poland-WW2 case request, you wrote "ArbCom's biggest mistake since FRAM. ". Considering the caps, I know what you mean, but could you perhaps just for the sake of clarity change it to Framban or a link or so? Fram ( talk) 08:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Regarding this edit: fyi, the shortcut you used for the text "Education Noticeboard" points to Wikipedia:Editnotice. I'd fix it, but... I probably shouldn't edit someone else's comments in a case request. isaacl ( talk) 16:45, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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This is a most interesting comment in light of our previous discussion with North8000 et al.
Also, what happened with this draft? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 21:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
I think the discussions fell prey to the same issue as most of these disputes do: if editors are more content with the status quo (which by the nature of English Wikipedia's consensus traditions, includes veto power by relatively small groups of like-minded editors) than not getting exactly what they want, they don't have enough incentive to work towards compromise solutions. This results in discussions ballooning with options. This is handled in the offline world by delegating to a working committee to whittle down choices, but on English Wikipedia, many editors feel they should be able to engage directly, and thus the network of conversations multiply even further. I think it may still be helpful to recommend RfCs in future cases, even if history tells us many contentious RfCs fail, because some succeed in reaching a result, and it's hard to predict ahead of time which way an RfC will go. I think mandating an RfC is only going to work in cases where a very specific question needs to be answered. If it's something that needs discussion to establish scope, the community is going to discuss whatever it wants to discuss during that preparation phase, which can include reaching a decision that it doesn't want to discuss it further.
One thing that disappointed me is that I don't recall anyone saying, "I do a lot of new page patrolling, and this is what would help me." I was hoping that those most affected by rapid creation of articles would lead the discussion. isaacl ( talk) 01:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Is an SPA now on at least their third attempt to create a puff bio of a NN individual. Thanks Mccapra ( talk) 11:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Hey. Moaning here for a sec, I wish you hadn't atoped that discussion between Draco and myself. And I also wish I'd done a copy/paste job of my reply before clicking the "1 new message" button. I was writing a reply to Draco's last message with my thoughts on the closure, where I'd written a three or so paragraph alternate closure that diverged a bit from the original RfC closure, referring to relevant policies. Alas now I have to try and type it out from memory :'(
Not your fault. I shoulda copy/pasted the comment before letting the page re-bubble, and the WMF really should have allowed for a more graceful comment restore in situations like this. Oh well, back to my memory I go! Sideswipe9th ( talk) 03:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
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Today I have a story about two pieces we sang at church, today. - Do you watch Mozart? Perhaps you could tell some new editors a bit about history? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:40, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
today's story is about a book, Alte Liebe, for Valentine -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
... and today the regional festival - DYK of 13 years ago ;) - Regarding the above: I would happily go without terms such as "infobox nasty", "infobox warriors", "infobox disruption", - all simply ambiguous. One user's disruption is the addition of an infobox, but for me, it's rather the removal of a long-standing infobox, often silently in the middle of revamping an article to FA status. Take Laurence Olivier, for example. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:32, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
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Sorry to be a bother, but I have been following along the Holocaust in Poland case and I notice that Klein will probably be added as a party. She's been given a notification on her talk page, but it seems quite plausible that she hasn't seen it yet; I feel it's important to make sure she's aware of the discussion. Has an arbitrator sent her an email or otherwise made contact with her? (I'm only reaching out to you specifically because you seem the most active arbitrator in this case, and I wasn't sure of the proper place to ask this question.) Shells-shells ( talk) 21:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
You asked me a question at deletion review, and I'm not answering there because Sandstein has closed the discussion so I shouldn't edit the page. Hence my reply here.
If the disputed content were userfied to me, I would have a list of the contributors. I could copy/paste that list to a special attribution page, which would look a lot like this one. Then I could perform the proposed merge with an edit summary like Xeno's here. This enables a content merge that's compliant with the terms of use, without the need to perform a history merge.
All the best— S Marshall T/ C 19:34, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
It only took 11 years. I'm so happy :D Maybe in three more years, we'll start granting administrative privileges based on reaching a consensus on the pros and cons of the candidate. isaacl ( talk) 03:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi I’ve just moved this work in progress to draft but I’m concerned about the “Research” section, which is clearly cut and pasted from somewhere. I wanted to request a revdel of the edit that added the material as it’s pretty clearly a copyvio. Trouble is I can’t find a source for it so the curation tool won’t let me log that request. I wanted an admin to take a look and decide what to do. Thanks Mccapra ( talk) 02:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working on my first GA Review here and I was wondering if you could look over it to make sure I've done things alright.
Also, what's he best way to check for plagiarism? Just copy and paste the page somewhere? -- Zoo ( talk) 17:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Barkeep. I have a concern about contentious topics. Per this, I-bans can be imposed as contentious topics restrictions by a single uninvolved administrator. But how does that work with the alerts the users have been getting? Is it enough that they've received the {{ Contentious topics/alert/first}} template about some topic, or have otherwise shown awareness of the contentious topics system? And would it only apply to topics in the ct system altogether? Several topics are involved in the case I'm thinking of: I don't want the users to interact anywhere on Wikipedia. The I-bans wouldn't be much use, and very easy to game, if they only applied to certain topics. Can I do that, and how should it be worded? And here you thought the new system would be less bureaucratic than the old discretionary sanctions! Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 17 March 2023 (UTC).
Just noting that there are some questions here. Perhaps this is not the talk page to post them? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:06, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure about why ER is posting evidence about Aryan Valley, etc. which is squarely outside of the purview of the arbitration case. Do note that they fail to ping the "two other editors" who were apparently colluding with me in that article. I will request that arbitrators enforce some minimum standards. TrangaBellam ( talk) 05:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
They are not parties. The link is out of scope but there for the pattern. It will probably be removed as unnecessary from what I am seeing. Plenty of pattern in Poland. Aryan Valley is the AFDed article referred in the intro. But yeah.. go and delete if you see fit, Barkeep. I have plenty of examples. Note that @ TrangaBellam: did not ping me to this discussion. Elinruby ( talk) 06:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Engaging in legitimate and necessary dispute resolutionexception but I think you two might have pushed beyond those boundaries. Barkeep49 ( talk) 14:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
As to the interaction ban, how about she doesn't post a screed about me on the talk page at ArbCom hmm? I tried to at least not address her directly, but what am I supposed to do about that? I'm actually trying here but what I have here is a stalker who claims that *I* stalk *her*. I'm new at this level of craycray but meanwhile she's singlehandedly caused a huge amount of harm. Obviously right now I am collecting diffs but I assure you, my goal here is to put her on someone else's radar and live happily ever after without her coming around to beg me to take her to some Noticeboard. Elinruby ( talk) 14:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you, but I might have been a bit clumsy here. If I understand the way the material is organised, I should have left just a short line with diffs in the "Evidence" page and placed my analysis/comments in the "Analysis" page. Is this correct? If so, should I remedy now by moving the analysis to the "Analysis" page? Thanks, Gitz ( talk) ( contribs) 15:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
I saw your response at the reviewers talk page. Since your are one of the admins formerly or currently involved in Autopatrolled, I am interested in your opinion in a specific case.
I came across Pvmoutside, who is a prolific stub creator since over 10 years. At the beginning of his wikipedia career he also created some start class articles. Pvmoutsid was given the autopatrolled rights by an editor who is no longer editing since 2012. I have also requested advice of another admin involved in autopatrolled but as to the 1 March 2023, he didn't respond. I wonder what your conclusion is here, but I would remove autopatrolled rights from Pvmoutside, but explain to them that it is beneficial to their articles to get a review. Then the reviewers could tag their articles for too technical, no image, lead to short etc. if deemed necessary. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 05:24, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
This is probably the most convoluted Arb Case I've ever seen. Initial arguments for the case have been removed from the case's proposal within the final case (including the initial posting by GeneralNotability). My name in particular is listed in Arb responses to remarks I made, but were not included.
Second, I would argue that the FAQ isn't clearly linked as a requirement (it isn't mentioned beyond the header nor is it linked as part of the directions) nor is the paper clearly listed as evidence already in submission. If it is, the FAQ should clearly say so.
Third, it isn't clear that the paper is being considered. If it is, then I have no issue and look forward to the ruling. If it is not, then people should be allowed to submit it as evidence and then make arguments in reference to it. ArbCom can accept, reject, or address such arguments as they see fit.
Lastly, it sounds very much like what you are looking for is arguments, not evidence (which is putting the cart before the horse). If you are looking for someone to rehash the paper and re-make the arguments regarding editor behavior that were already made, but in some sort of wiki format...that seems incredibly redundant and unnecessary. Is that what you're looking for? Buffs ( talk) 21:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Barkeep49. I realize you have more than enough work already with the ArbCom Holocaust in Poland case and I am by no means trying to add more to your plate. However, I recently noticed that one of the editors submitted evidence related to TrangaBellam's conduct using a diff of TB's response made to my post. Specifically,
this response was used to support an accusation of TrangaBellam acting in bad faith
. I've been cautious so as not to get directly involved in the case for a variety of reasons, although I don't believe it is fair to frame TB's response to me in such terms and I wanted to express this to one of the arbitrators. If this is not the correct route to take, kindly let me know. Thank you dearly!
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Barkeep49, I've been observing some of the long-term behavioral issues concerning WP:WPTC and any of its sister organizations such as WP:WEATHER. There was a suggestion made about calling for it to be declared a contentious topic, but not as much certainty as to how to go about it. This is indicated by the recurring instances of weather-related disputes being brought to WP:AN, or most recently, the dragging-forth of FleurDeOdile to ArbCom without proper cause. In your unofficial opinion (i.e. not speaking from the capacity of one who would arbitrate such a case), is there any merit to me requesting a case to have ArbCom review the project's behavior and whether WP:CTOP is called for? Or would I be better off requesting an RfC? Or neither? ⛵ WaltClipper -( talk) 12:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
These are specially designated topics that have attracted more persistent disruptive editing than the rest of the project and have been designated as contentious topics by the Arbitration Committeeemphasis added). Part of the name change was to make it clearer what was community owned and what was ArbCom owned. So if you propose it, you'd be proposing General Sanctions. The second piece is I would recommend wording along the lines of "Enact community General Sanctions on Foo topic area, to match the Contentious Topics procedure and to allow for the option of enforcement at Arbitration Enforcement" (assuming you want those things). Now all that said, if you go to ArbCom and ArbCom does say "the community can handle it" well that still leaves the community handling as an option. Hope that helps, Barkeep49 ( talk) 15:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Sorry to be dense, but where do I submit evidence in response to Summarized evidence? Thanks. Zero talk 06:09, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, would it be possible to modify the protection level of Murder of Don Banfield up to ECP? I see you previously introduced the protection requiring autoconfirmed access and noted that you could upgrade it to ECP if required [1]. There is a disruptive user [2] who keeps reinstating disputed content [3], [4]. I had removed the content they had added for a number of reasons, including the fact that other editors had surmised that this user had a possible conflict of interest issue [5] (seemingly confirmed in their edit summaries [6]). However, the user kept reinstating, despite my attempt to open a talk page discussion, explaining that the the onus was on them to seek consensus to include disputed content [7]. The user ignored this and hasn't responded, and instead began to edit war without consensus: [8]. I can see there has previosuly been some sockpuppetry to do with this page and that this may still be continuing: [9], and the user in question in this case appears to largely be a single-purpose account [10]. Therefore, would it be possible for you to increase the protection level? Many thanks. ErraticDrumlin ( talk) 07:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I have responded to these points. My additions are valid, and I have not intended to be disruptive but to add information regarding this case. erraticDrumlin seems to have an attempt to promote a particular interest, the judges actual comments and reasoning, and I included the defence arguments because prior to this only one side was shown. It also misquoted cites, and if you've read the entire case it was more complex. Some people are interested in the legality, and interpretation of the case, not just the salacious tabloid details, as entered by a sockpuppet. It stood for weeks, and other editors seemed happy. I have declared an interest in the case, but am not being paid for this. I feel that my contributions balanced the exclusively prosecution arguments and gave an insight into the judges findings and reasoning. I think that it is helpful. Thank you for your trouble with this. Beautiful Rosie ( talk) 07:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
it's a Linux command and a geeky pun as the title of that section on my Commons page. Feel free to omit it if you summarize that section. It won't hurt my feelings if you don't summarize it, btw, but given further sanctions for an inability to play nice with others were being discussed when I arrived at Bishonen's page, I felt it needed to be pointed out. However if you don't like whoami, I'd prefer that you or I replace it with a different header, because who am I sounds...I don't know, kind of jejeune to me. Thanks for your consideration, and perhaps Arbcom is not the place for geeky puns. <g> Elinruby ( talk) 07:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Would it be possible to submit evidence anonymously to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Evidence?
The Polish group has made their intention of payback very clear: [12] [13], driving away at least one editor: [14] [15]
In my case, I'm not involved in the topic at all outside of perhaps a noticeboard post. However, I am concerned like Horse Eye's Back that opening up with evidence against the Polish group will lead to coordinated voting against my position in other topics.
I am aware that e-mailing Arbcom is a possibility, however the Polish group has at least one sympathetic Arb on the committee who will forward that kind of correspondence. 172.58.60.97 ( talk) 13:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
however the Polish group has at least one sympathetic Arb on the committee who will forward that kind of correspondence.is a really serious accusation. If there is an arb forwarding correspondence to/from the committee we need to address that. But in my 3 years of being on the committee I have seen no evidence of this. If you have evidence of this please find a way to get it either to the committee or to an individual arb.As to the request itself I will discuss with the other drafters. The entire topic area is under extended confirmed restrictions for a reason and owing to the serious and severe harassment that many editors in this topic area - and here it's the Polish editors to a greater extent - have experienced, allowing IP evidence could set an uncomfortable precedent. Barkeep49 ( talk) 14:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
I don't want to clutter up the ARC page with another useless statement, so I figured I'd drop a note here since you submitted the motion in this case request. If it does pass and go to a suspended case, it would be a better idea to name it Dbachmann 2, since Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Dbachmann already existed as a case (before being renamed Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ancient Egyptian race controversy) and it could cause confusion or problems with links/redirects. The Wordsmith Talk to me 16:05, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for watching over Mozart. Did you see this? I linked to my arbcom sentence in a later response, imagine, but no response. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
You have attacked me on the Evidence page. I am topic banned. Xx236 ( talk) 09:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Conduct of named parties in the topic areas of World War II history of Poland and the history of the Jews in Poland, broadly construed. Given how much pain this brings you, I wonder why you're watching the pages (and the talk pages at that). I can assure you that I will not be pinging you so that you're forced to see your name involuntarily. Barkeep49 ( talk) 14:49, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Morning @ Barkeep49: How are you? I notice that on the [Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland/Analysis] that the name Icewhiz is mentioned a full 56 times on that page. It is almost like that old NLP thing from the late 90's. I'm sure that Icewhiz must be drawning succour from their name printed so many times. Is there anyway the name could be disguised perhaps using an alias or a cover name, or is that even a thing, to perhaps lessen their impact, or would even doing that be more grist for their mill. It just seems excessive being mentioned so many times, since its been almost a year since their latest incarnation left. I don't know if there precedents in history for this sort of thing. I wonder if anybody else has noticed it or is worth noticing? scope_creep Talk 09:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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Arb case, Francois Robere evidence summary, February timeline:
"The content remains unchanged until April 15 2:52 - 5:50 when Piotrus makes a 7 edits all under 250 bytes"
I threatened to turn Gitz into a frog if he didn't stop saying that I argue with him. I'm thinking he probably won't even see it, since he as announced he doesn't read my posts. (Although AGF maybe he's a reformed soul now) But it's not a threat unless he reads it, right? Elinruby ( talk) 11:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
he shared no less than 19 diffs (!) of Elinruby arguing with me in the RU area
@Gitz6666: cough, small point but: I read those diffs as *you* arguing with *me*, while, given that you weren't listening anyway, I tried to disengage from trying to explain the French conditional tense to you. Small as this point may be, and not in evidence, other people are reading the page who are not necessarily going to go read the diffs. So as somebody who just put into evidence a positive contribution from you, I suggest you take a deep breath, consider the ways that you may come across that you possibly do not intend, and measure your words. If you feel the need to explain to me that you did not say what you clearly did say here, I hereby unban you from my talk page in the interest of protecting Barkeep's sanity.
Finally, he shared no less than 19 diffs (!) of Elinruby arguing with me in the RU area.and also, a little further down in the same post:
My purpose would not be to relitigate my topic ban, as VM says, but to be consistent with what I have been saying for months, e.g. on 15 December 2022, From my point of view, the EE controversy stems from the fact that there are 3 or 4 users who cause disruption by engaging in nationalist editing ... I may be right, I may be wrong, but from my point of view this is the "global" issue of the EE area, and it affects the war in Ukraine only indirectly. From my point of view, the EE controversy stems from the fact that there are 3 or 4 users who cause disruption by engaging in nationalist editing ... I may be right, I may be wrong, but from my point of view this is the "global" issue of the EE area, and it affects the war in Ukraine only indirectly.
Why do we keep having to have this conversation? I really wish Gitz would stop saying that, it's really annoying
For the sake of everyone else's sanity, I told you at the evidence talk page to take it up with me on my talk page if you weren't able to stop claiming that I argue with you. Dude. I avoid *talking* to you, let alone arguing. I will have to turn you into a frog or something if you don't stop saying that. Please acknowledge that you have read and understood this. At my talk page.Elinruby ( talk) 19:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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I objected to this edit. The FAQ is clear that evidence, even if not summarized, cannot be removed once replied to. But ER appears to clarify that they won't tamper with this evidence but merely add more diffs? I think that is allowed. TrangaBellam ( talk) 15:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, also, someone else tightened up my refs, and someone else deleted part of my contributions, and I thought fair enough, but erraticDrumlin, I think for unclear reasoning behind it deleted everything. Not considering that there may be some value. Beautiful Rosie ( talk) 07:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Editing a Wikipedia article on yourself is, in most cases, strongly discouraged.It then talks about what is and isn't OK. Please re-read that page. If necessary I will make it so you can only comment on the talk page. I don't wish to do that but you need to engage in discussion and in discussion on the article talk page.Erratic: I agree that Beautiful is trying to get up to extended confirmed. Just trying to do that is not against the rules. From a quick glance I don't see anything that suggests that they are gaming the system, which would be against the rules. They are not, for instance, making an edit and reverting themselves in a loop. They are instead making a whole bunch of copy-editing edits suggested by the newcomer interface which is an appropriate way for an editor to accumulate edits. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
at some point I would like to discuss this with you: However, the inability of these two editors to get along at even a basic level is why Bishonen imposed a topic ban on them yesterday. Both editors have simply moved their issues with each other to this case as participation at ArbCom does qualify for an exception to the iBAN. 15:04, 18 March 2023 Barkeep49 (talk) 14:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
as I think that summary is pretty unfair, to at least me, and though I don't speak for the other editor, probably to her too. Yet it isn't an edit summary, so it isn't clear whether I should formally appeal on the talk page or just point out to you here that she and I have been quite free to get into a confrontation for days and days and days now. That isn't why either one of us is here imho. Don't want to beat you over the head, so I guess -- just let me know if I should bring this up at the talk page. Thanks. Not asking for a particular administrative action, just an acknowledgement that I said what I just said
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she and I have been quite free to get into a confrontation for days and days and days now. That isn't why either one of us is here imho.or is there more? Barkeep49 ( talk) 21:30, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
the inability of these two editors to get along at even a basic level is why Bishonen imposed a topic ban on them. Hopefully you two will be able to move on from each other and co-exist and the TB can be lifted. But the fact that there hasn't been more conflict while you're both parties to a case at arbcom is how things are supposed to work. Barkeep49 ( talk) 22:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
If I wanted to ask a general question / have a general discussion about how ArbCom handles something (and WP:ARCA isn't appropriate because it isn't about an existing case), what is the latest best mechanism for that? Open a thread at WT:ACN? At WT:RFAR? Surely not WT:AC? -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 18:00, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
for losing the trust or confidence of the community. What I'm trying to do is have the community come to a consensus that "yes, this admin has lost our trust and confidence so please proceed". I only suggested it because there seems to be nearly unanimous consensus that this user shouldn't be an administrator, as opposed to many previous incidents that were much more complex and a full case or Arbcom investigation was definitely needed. Once this is over I plan on seeing if I can tease out a draft of something more formal, but it would only work in unambiguous cases like this one. Maybe something built on the bones of the old WP:RFC/U, but heavily restricted to prevent the flaws inherent to that process. The Wordsmith Talk to me 19:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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You (and the rest of the current arbitration committee) have made the big time: featured in a Half as Interesting video! [30] Its description of the dispute resolution process is reasonably good for a general audience. It does skip over the fact that the arbitration process doesn't specifically address content issues. isaacl ( talk) 16:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry I'm a little bit confused about where to respond to ya'll's questions [31]. It says respond on Evidence page but evidenc page is closed, no? Or "above as a section under #Analysis of evidence as appropriate." Mmmm, I'm probably being dense here but where is "above"? Thanks. Volunteer Marek 19:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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Since you removed some edit summaries of KittyCat68, would appreciate if you also could revdel the edits between these (inclusive). — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 18:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion at WP:BLP/Noticeboard#Flyer22_Frozen that concerns an action you made. Thank you. Kolya Butternut ( talk) 19:43, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a discussion at WP:AN#Revision_deletion_review_-_WT:Deceased which concerns an action you made. (Sorry, I would have posted here initially if I had realized.) Kolya Butternut ( talk) 23:20, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I and others have proposed additional options at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC_on_a_procedural_community_desysop. You may wish to review your position in that RfC. TonyBallioni ( talk) 02:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, a huge surprise to me was the total ban for @ GizzyCatBella. I consider them to be one of the more restrained editors on Wikipedia, and they have helped moderate several heated discussions in which I have participated. Could you point to where I can find the discussion and justification for this block?
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So it's your own fault you got a pile of words. Now I need to regain that hour and a half I lost .... from productive work on horse research... Ealdgyth ( talk) 18:14, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hey there. This redirect is protected, but the target should be changed, it was targeted to Ride (TV series), but that article was moved to Ride (Canadian TV series), to allow the creation of the new American TV series. I can't fix the target due to the page protection. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 09:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Re [32] - my apologies, I failed to notice that this was just stuff being moved and for some reason thought it was new material. Volunteer Marek 17:57, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
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I guess the decision is based on consideration on whether privacy is needed, for example to reduce the chance of harassment, both to myself and to the other parties. Some emails could contain discussion of harassment, including how I am affected by it, and similar stuff I don't necessarily feel to make a part of public record. An email could also, for example, contain a friendly warning to behave better, without leaving that warning in one's public record, per my thoughts here. Over the years I have become increasingly concerned not only about how people may use what I say against me, but also, how they can use what I say against others. We are responsible not only for protecting ourselves, but protecting others, and the community in general. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding the recently posted proposed decision: my watchlist hasn't been so flooded on a single topic since the WMF undertook a certain controversial office action... At least this time there's just one busy page. The problem with the earlier situation is that related conversation dominated the history of so many pages I watch, making my watchlist useless. I tried the feature where you can monitor changes to pages linked from a given page, but once you take a page off your watchlist, you can no longer see what revisions you have already viewed, so it didn't help me view just the new changes. In any case, I imagine conversation will diminish much more quickly this time. isaacl ( talk) 22:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
That's what one finds when looking for the meaning of "FoF" - nothing in the WP:Glossary, no [[WP:FoF]] on this project, and if one uses the search box, one gets to the conclusion that you and others are worried about the Future of Forestry. Please let me know what FoF means and I'll update the Glossary. Gitz ( talk) ( contribs) 19:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, in the "Reliable sourcing restriction (clarification)" section "a peer-reviewed scholarly journals" should be "a peer-reviewed scholarly journal". Cheers, Zero talk 03:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
I am not really certain that I am not. If I am, I should probably strike that part of my remarks before it confuses anyone else.
As always, I have other questions, but this is the one that seems urgent at the moment. Asking here because my section of the talk page is already kind of ADD and I don't want to make it any harder to read. I will however move the question there if you tell me that that's the thing to do. Elinruby ( talk) 19:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
That "None of the named players in this area area new and only Levivich doesn't have a long history at ArbCom in this topic area so we don't need to start from scratch as we normally do with enforcement." (from this diff) isn't meant to include myself in the "long history at ArbCom"? (I think most folks have forgotten that I'm actually a named party to this case.. heh). Ealdgyth ( talk) 22:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Barkeep. I understand why you removed the cent notification for the airlines destination lists bundled AFD and agree that for just a single AFD these don't belong on CENT, but this is the result of a long-running dispute that over the years has been at VPP, AN, and multiple times at AFD and really could do with some fresh eyes on it (though obviously all the relevant projects are notified). Very happy to keep it off CENT if that's your call but just thought I'd make my case just in case. FOARP ( talk) 17:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for being willing to close that close review. Valereee ( talk) 15:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I understand what the ibans in the recent decision were about, I think, even if I think that they are an argument for adopting the principle of legality. But. I had been talking to several of those people separately and would like to continue to do so post-decision. Do I need to establish a convention that I will talk to them on their user pages instead of on mine? I am assuming that these ibans apply to my user page, even if they are talking about different things in different sections? I am assuming the answer is yes, in which please consider this a mild complaint. If I am wrong though, please do tell. Elinruby ( talk) 23:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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While I'm commenting something that has struck me and caused me to think quite a bit, as an uninvolved editor, is a theory around repeated conversations that I was first introduced to regarding requested moves. The theory is that if there are repeated proposals to do a move, and which all are close but are closed with no move, the issue doesn't go away until finally a discussion closes with moving the page. At which point there doesn't seem to be nearly the same effort (and often no effort) to move it back suggesting we should have probably done the page move far earlier and something in our processes was broken. This theory has largely held true in my experience around RMs.
I saw this comment you made on Roy's page and was interested in the underlying theory but didn't want to reply there as to focus on it seemed off topic; I hope you don't mind me opening a conversation here.
My interpretation of this would be different; I see three possible reasons for this that don't align with our processes being broken in that manner:
Because of this third reason I don't read much into the lack of effort in the opposite direction. While it's possible our processes are broken and the move should have been done much earlier, it's also possible that our processes are broken in that they reward tendentious editors and the move should not have been done at all. BilledMammal ( talk) 07:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
"All those discussion attempts should have been taken as a clue that the article is at the wrong title."and later
"The impression I have of move moratoriums is that their existence is evidence that the article is at the wrong title."Perhaps one of my profound comments will be quoted in the eventual essay written about this phenomenon. – bradv 18:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
But in the moves I'm talking about it's not the same editor repeatedly starting the move discussion.I would suggest the third reason can also apply when the requests come from multiple like-minded editors; the "side" that is more invested in the dispute. This is also where our processes start to break down; the same editor making repeated requests can be addressed as a conduct issue, but that rarely applies when it is a group of editors.
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I've updated that essay to capture motions in lieu of a full case. Surprisingly, unless I've missed a bunch somehow, motions seem to have started to make sort of a comeback since 2022. I'm posting here instead of case request as I'm not sure how much it would fall under "helping decide if a case is necessary". At any rate, I'd rather kibbitz here rather than there. :-) Maxim ( talk) 13:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hello! I know that you said at WP:CR that you had endeavored to close part of the MOS:GENDERID RFC (I assume topic 1). I wanted to give you a heads up that another editor had closed topic 1.
I also wanted to apologize if your efforts proved to be a considerable time drain, as that would chiefly be my fault. On the one hand, I feel somewhat proud of the RFC set up—an RFCBEFORE at VPI got fairly messy fairly quickly, and I wanted to split off aspects of that discussion to facilitate discussion, while still crafting options that represented what had been proposed. On the other hand, I realize that my decision to segment the RFC as I did made it considerably harder on any closer. It, unfortunately, does not surprise me that you started on closing the RFC but weren't able to finish before you had to attend to other matters. Regardless, while I realize it has to be frustrating to have nothing to show for your effort, I wanted to thank you for it, and I wanted to apologize for any needless burden I may have caused.-- Jerome Frank Disciple 15:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
When I saw that you weren't sure of your capacity, I figured I could step in and take that off your plate. Sorry if that led to you wasting time reviewing the discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 13:54, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
However, I've been sucked back to ArbCom because of the particulars of a case request so while I have opened this up and begun to read it, I'm not sure what my actual capacity for closing will be.and the lack of a {{ doing}} template as an invitation for someone to close it if they had they time and motivation. I'm sorry for misreading that, and that's on me.
And that's the biggest problem with the close as it stands, it's just passing the buck and setting up yet another one of those clusterfuck discussions with diminishing returns, as uninvolved editors don't really seem to give a shit. We got the most participation we're going to see on the topic in that RFC, and it was summarily ignored in the close, and any further discussions are going to be back to the same group of editors with the same opinions divided down the middle.It's a bit similar to what you've said, although I was more worked up, but it still comes down to a close which doesn't necessarily move us forward. I did what I complained about in that close review, and now I feel like an ass for spouting off like I did because I made the best close I could based on my reading of this discussion and consensus and ended with the same kind of result.
Thanks for protecting Daniel Wayne Smith. Could you do the same with Dannielynn Birkhead? The same person has been trying to undo the redirect there too. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 15:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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Real life yuk is preventing me from keeping up anywhere, and I am reduced to the most mundane tasks recently, so I've been unable to contribute here with more advice about how to better handle copyright issues. I remain concerned that the thread has been removed for the second time, before I could add some advice for BoyTheKingCanDance; if copyvio is not caught early (and that editor created over a dozen articles in one day), it can become an entrenched problem. I am wondering why BTKCD does not archive many talk threads, but moved these two off their page so quickly. Some practical advice about how to watch for and detect copyvio is in order. But I am too busy to engage right now and must back out. Bst, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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I was reading your comments at WT:AN, and I thought you might be interested in this discussion. I would value your thoughts on this. There, here, wherever : ) - jc37 12:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
I have moved the discussions under Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022 § Topics to review for 2023 to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023. Please feel free to continue discussion on the 2023 talk page! isaacl ( talk) 21:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Barkeep49, sorry but I don't understand something you said to me at BHG case request, and I don't want to clutter up the case request page, so I thought I'd ask for some clarification here. You wrote: @Paul August: I could wikilawyer why I think you could have undone your own block, but unlike a community ban or some other community sanction, which an individual, even the one implementing, can't undo without consensus, this was still a grant to individual admin and I don't think the community had any desire to impose a kafkaesque one way imposition on that grant to individual admins. This is based, in no small part, on my re-read of the discussion about sanctions that led to this editing restriction a few days ago.
I can't quite parse this ;-) but I think you are saying the community who proposed and adopted that editing restriction did not intend to prevent the blocking admin from unblocking. Is that correct? Thanks.
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Thanks. While I understand your hypothetical wikilawyer argument (and possibly agree, although I probably wouldn't make such an argument, just as I'd probably never invoke WP:IAR), I don't read the communities intent the way you do. For example see this snippet from that discussion:
As has been pointed out, this proposal prevents even the blocking admin from unblocking, and it's doubtful that any admin will want to make a block that they would be prohibited from undoing, and thus this proposal will make BHG more difficult to block, which seems to be the opposite of the intended effect. Levivich 13:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Oppose The idea that even the blocking admin can't unblock is nonsensical. Black Kite (talk) 15:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
@Black Kite: That's a fair comment. That said, do you really foresee a problem here? Is it at all likely someone will block, citing this discussion, and then turn around and say "eh, I was wrong" before the community has overturned the block? I have a hard time seeing how someone could make such a big mistake. If the blocking admin quickly *does* conclude they were in the wrong, their voice at the discussion would probably settle it quickly. However, allowing for a self-overturn would potentially put a ton of pressure on that one admin during the discussion. I think this is the right way to go. Hobit (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Switched to oppose - It is ridiculous, per Black Kite, for there not to be an exception for the blocking admin to reverse their own block. --WaltCip-(talk) 16:53, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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As an addendum to the above, given Seraphimblade's statement, it now seems I was wrong about what that sentence was intended to mean. Paul August ☎ 16:17, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
You might be famous. See the first two paragraphs of this New York Times article Wikipedia’s Moment of Truth. There might be more mentions of you, but I don't know because I just started reading it. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 15:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Ironically, a couple of hours ago I'm looking at the NYT and I see this article "Wikipedia’s Moment of Truth Can the online encyclopedia help teach A.I. chatbots to get their facts right — without destroying itself in the process?" and I start to read it (how could I not?) and low and behold I find that the editor that I've just been interacting with over the course of the previous several hours (see above discussion) is featured prominently in the opening paragraphs ;-) Paul August ☎ 19:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding ...I think it's better that any conditions of an unblock are worked out between the committee which would be unblocking her and BHG
, I suggest inserting commas after "committee" and "her". (I spent some time trying to figure out why the committee is unblocking both "her" and "BHG".) Or perhaps to avoid the pronoun coming before its referent, rewording to "Given that the siteban of BHG is passing, I think it's better that any conditions of an unblock are worked out between the committee and her."
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While LL's comments regarding Jewish categories sound odd without context I am sure he meant no harm. Having a long history with LL I am convinced he means that as a Christian he'd better stay out of discussions about Judaism because it is outside his expertise area. (Not sure if it is wise to post this comment at the arbcom talk page though.) Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Dear Barkeep49, thank you and the rest of the Arbcom again for all the work you've done on the recent difficult case. Given WP:POLEMIC and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Principles#Evidence sub-pages in user space, may I request User:BrownHairedGirl/Draft evidence in SmallCat case to be courtesy blanked? Evidently the user in question will not be able to perform this action herself, and as an involved party to the case, I didn't think it would be appropriate for me to personally nominate it for deletion. So I thought I'd present the question to you, given that we've talked about it before during the case, but those talk pages are now closed. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 08:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
not maintain in public view negative informationis a bit ambiguous. The text cannot be directly accessed anymore, but two clicks away the text can still be found by anyone, i.e. "the public". WP:CBLANK suggests
When either courtesy blanking or xfd-blanking is used, the actual content remains accessible via the edit history. In more serious cases, the entire history of the page may be deleted.I can't judge for others how "serious" they have found this case, but the text does claim things like A's extreme misconduct has been repeatedly endorsed by other editors: most notably B, but also C, D, and E. I am one of those named people. Although the baseless allegations of the misconduct in question have never been proven, they did call our reputation into question, and damaged it for no good reason. Although I haven't been very upset about it personally, it did seriously upset at least one of the other named people. Would it be proportional to make the history invisible? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 14:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend with two weddings, so also like the spirit ;) - Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme (mentioned in July, remember?) for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I see I have to write more to connect the image to the header ;) - Today is the anniversary of the premiere of Götterdämmerung. Berit Lindholm sang its final scene in concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, only four years after her stage debut in a Mozart opera in Stockholm. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:28, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Today I heard a delightful concert, "Himmlische Freuden", remembered having heard Vilde Frang ( Bruch concerto, in Zürich, with my brother's orchestra) , and succeeded in preparing Renata Scotto's article enough for the Main page (which took two days). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hello Barkeep49, I have seen your Contributions and profile on Wikipedia and i though you are right person to helping out me for editing. actually im new editer on Wikipedia, I created two or three articles on Wikipedia for movie and contributed for other but that time im working on biography article Draft:Sangramsingh_Thakur befor this time the draft rejected by Wikipedian 2 or more times due to lack of sources but this time im added proper sources as per Wikipedia guidelines, so please check this Draft:Sangramsingh_Thakur once and Review it.Thank You Rajmama ( talk) 09:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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Maybe if there was more than one non-admin who 1. wanted to be an arbitrator and 2. actually has a chance of getting more than 50% support, I'd change my mind. casualdejekyll 01:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
I think you are confusing me with User:A. B. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, I recently asked GeneralNotability a question in his user talk related to what's necessary for me to make a topic ban appeal, and how to request a finding of fact from ArbCom. However, I noticed he has a box on his user page saying that he's taking a wikibreak, so I think I should mention my question to you also. Do you know the answer to what I asked there? 2600:1004:B11D:E9D:C4AF:7F57:214C:519C ( talk) 15:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Re:I've only used rollback once - to remove deletion stuff as part of moving something across wikis - and have the button hidden via css. I've accidentally used it before, and I'm pretty sure any time I'd be using it, it would be in error, and I'd prefer to just have it disappear. Is there a script or something you recommend? The only one I've found has apparently no users, which makes me a little leery lol...Thanks for any advice! Valereee ( talk) 17:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
I started what has become a sprawling discussion about paid advising. There's been a variety of feedback. The actionable piece that I see is around requiring disclosure of their clients, by admins, if they solicit clients for paid Wikipedia advising or consulting services. The discussion is so sprawling I feel like it would be a mistake to try and workshop RfC language to codify that consensus. So I'm going to do it here instead. Here's my draft language, for which I would appreciate any/all feedback:
Add a sentence to
Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure#Administrators which reads Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.
All comments are welcome but I am going to ping @ Valereee, @ Thryduulf, and @ RoySmith as three people in that conversation who've had differing perspectives but who might have useful feedback. Barkeep49 ( talk) 19:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
editors must not agree to terms of employment that would limit their ability to uphold their ethical responsibility to the Wikipedia communitysounds nice, but well beyond the bargaining capacity of most employees. The realistically ideal behaviour probably approaches self-reporting after obeying the boss. There's rent and bills and everything. Folly Mox ( talk) 08:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Administrator actions in conjunction with paid editing→ "Administrator actions in conjunction with paid editing or paid consulting", or a line effectively communicating "don't use your adminship to solicit money for edits or consulting".
if anyone runs for admin because they want to make money off itThis is again the most assume-bad-faithiest possible interpretation of what I just said. Give me a break with this speculative fiction of admins becoming admins to make money. The reason it makes adminship less appealing is simple: because it adds an ill-defined requirement that applies only to admins and could apply to a range of activities. On one hand, admins with no interest in advising but are engaged with Wikipedia off-wiki will have to navigate a minefield of possible interpretations of the new rule (while there are some "no, no, it wouldn't include x, y, z" comments in the RfC, the language that people are actually !voting on, and which would go into the policy, is ambiguous) . On the other hand, assuming it's at least fathomable that having good faith users provide good advice is a Good Thing given the reality of financial interest in Wikipedia, the people who become admins (regardless of whether they're actually admins) are the people perhaps best equipped to do that job.
I disagree that it's any more of an assumption of bad faith than any requirement for disclosure of a COI represents- Except that with those, there's actually a COI. I'm feeling like I've taken up more than my share of space on this topic at this point, though, so will leave it at that. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Our festival's last concert was most moving and inspiring, - also the story of Walter Arlen, - today I'm proud that I survived the decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX for 10 years, standing and singing -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:28, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. Just for fun: when do you think did Mrs. and Mr. Schumann get their infoboxes, and by whom? (The answers can be found here, but please think first.) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:17, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
My story today is The Company of Heaven ("company" with a double meaning, but angelic company in the end). - The one more day got pictures but no other new pictures yet, it's a week with concert or opera every night! In case you don't want to look at the Schumanns, how about Georges Feydeau? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
... or Rossini. Did you see who wrote The Company of Heaven? Company = army, or good company, that is the question. - October to come, but here for context. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
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Congratulations! - Today's story features an opera singer and opera. (That is a revolution, DYK, because DYK told me that opera is not interesting to the broad audience, and you better say that a manager called a soprano that damn teacher, or that a mezzo performed Carmen 300 times which is just quantity.) - I was pointed (on my talk) to a discussion about a motion regarding arbinfoboxes 2, where you asked for community input. You may want to tell your colleagues about Mozart: no civility problem that I see. - I don't know what input you'd expect from the community, - I had no idea that page even exists. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
More pics, and today's story is on a birthday, and the real DYK was already on that birthday -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
A Romanian woman composer is today's topic. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Today's is about a woman whose life focused on her husband as she said in the title of her autobiography (which was the DYK hook in 2016). Around then, I had to defend an infobox for a composer the last time; the discussion is still on the talk. In 2019, project opera officially discarded the recommendation not to use infoboxes for biographies. Sometimes I feel that users who still believe that the topic is battleground missed some developments, and educating them would be better than blocking them for incivility. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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I saw your comment on the arb board only after I wrote this, and I think that whatever announcement there will probably raise attention. I clicked thank but meant the whole thing, as you may have guessed ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:43, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
One more for that discussion: OTD listed Jacques Arcadelt, and I gave him an infobox without problem. All is calm as long as you don't step on the feet of a handful of editors watching over a few FAs, not more than 100 I guess. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:51, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Smiling: today in that corner of the Main page Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji. That's how composers' FAs came to look. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions, specifically regarding infoboxes2: I gave some feedback now. What I saw was too general for my taste. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
The motion was closed and hatted, just when I thought the conversation was getting interesting. Which other forum could be used? I have a simple idea to solve the civility problem in infoboxes: no more reverts. When a user adds an infobox in 2023, they are not a vandal, nor a warrior, but making a good-faith effort to improve Wikipedia. For example the one who added to Feydeau. These users should not be reverted, but gently being told that there is an old problem. A revert - for my taste - suggests that there was vandalism. Could someone explain that to the very few editors who still revert? SchroCat for Feydeau, and Nikkimaria in most cases I've seen, Cosima Wagner for example, and both with admonishments from previous arbcases that were not rescinded (while I am free of restrictions since 2015). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
The act of one who skirts around something, or avoids it.though in this case one of the definitions Google gave me feels more appropriate
be situated along or around the edge of.Barkeep49 ( talk) 17:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
The topic came up above, and perhaps we should look into it more. Today I met a user who has on their user page: "Please ask if you have concerns or questions before reversing my work". I feel that it is a question of respect of a fellow editor to not simply undo their good-faith-work. With millions of infoboxes on Wikipedia, and new editors joining, no old "infobox-warrior" should expect a user with a new name to even know there ever was some conflict. We who know don't add an infobox to a TFA, for respect of authors' preferences, but if a newcomer does it, I suggest to grant them a bit of friendly explanation instead of a revert citing FA status and nothing else. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I thought of Brian Bouldton today, and his ways to compromise. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Continued in November. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:39, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Barkeep, Just a quick note about the Wikipedia delayed revert on the AN discussion. Sorry to have reverted you, but I think that if thread had been set up like that in the beginning it may have been OK, but it was already quite involved by the time of your split.
I'm never convinced about such splits (similar to those at ArbCom): being pigeon-holed as being from "position" will taint responses away from what is said to who has said it, which isn't the best way. If you want to change it back to the split, feel free: I won't complain about it! Cheers - SchroCat ( talk) 23:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
if thread had been set up like that in the beginning it may have been OK, the thread was set up like that from the beginning, but it was lost in what I assume was an edit conflict. Levivich ( talk) 23:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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