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Hello Sideswipe9th,
Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.
Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.
Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.
Suggestions:
- There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
- Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
- Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog:
Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!
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Hello Sideswipe9th,
- Backlog
The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.
- 2022 Awards
Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)
New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly
explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your
common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js
Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.
Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.
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Hey, thanks so much for your contributions on the ABA page. Unfortunately debate is still ongoing, so I have raised a formal dispute resolution thing. I've named you on it as someone who's been part of the debate (albeit not very recently). I hope that's okay!
Hello Sideswipe9th,
Backlog
Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.
Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.
Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.
You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.
Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).
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Hi Sideswipe9th,
I think it would be kind of you (and in-line with Wikipedia policy) to restore the IP's comment and explain why we use they/them pronouns to refer to Nex Benedict, as opposed to the he/him we see in most sources now, and the she/her we saw in very early reports, and how this is because Wikipedia operates under a system of gaining consensus for policies, and all articles, per current consensus, must comply with MOS:GENDERID...all of this is obvious to you and I is not so obvious to a first-time editor.
Imagine you were brand new to Wikipedia, were confused about the Wikipedia style guide, and asked a question on an article talk page to this effect. Then your comment disappeared. Because you're not familiar with Wikipedia, it's not immediately obvious what happened or where it went. Your original question went unanswered, and now you're only left with more questions.
WP:NOTFORUM which you cite, states that talk pages should not be used as a general forum for discussing the topic of an article, but rather on how to improve it. IP's comment, while ill-informed, is relevant to improving the article (by changing pronouns), and is not general commentary on the subject. Thus, it seems as though this is an inappropriate rationale for removing the comment when we can politely end the user's confusion.
Thanks, Peter L Griffin ( talk) 01:17, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Peter L Griffin.
- The
IP editor's comment was a forum style comment about pronouns, it was not a suggestion on how to improve the article. On articles in this content area we see dozens of this type of comment every day, and they are typically removed per
WP:NOTFORUM. So I will not be restoring it at this time.
Sideswipe9th (
talk) 01:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- It would seem the IP's (implied) suggestion was to modify the pronouns in the article to reflect Nex's sex assigned at birth.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to hold that opinion of the comment, however that seems unlikely given that the comment ended with
Those are the only pronouns. The facts do not care about your feelings.
There are a great many editors, including myself and EvergreenFir who would remove this type of comment per the reasoning you've been given. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 01:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)- Eh,
hanlon's razor may apply here. I'm not going to start an editwar with you over this, but IP clearly does have an (ill-informed) opinion about how the article ought to read and has some logic of sorts to back it up. I do think a reply would be courteous.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hanlon's is often tempered by Occam's, and the simpler explanation is that this was just a forum style comment about pronouns. You are of course welcome to post a message about why the comment was removed on the IP editor's talk page if you so wish. However that type of comment has no place on an article talk page. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 01:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Eh,
hanlon's razor may apply here. I'm not going to start an editwar with you over this, but IP clearly does have an (ill-informed) opinion about how the article ought to read and has some logic of sorts to back it up. I do think a reply would be courteous.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to hold that opinion of the comment, however that seems unlikely given that the comment ended with
- It would seem the IP's (implied) suggestion was to modify the pronouns in the article to reflect Nex's sex assigned at birth.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Where is Kate? for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where is Kate? (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 11:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello Sideswipe9th,
Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.
Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.
It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!
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Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.
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Hello Sideswipe9th,
Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.
Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.
Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.
Suggestions:
- There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
- Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
- Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
- This user script puts a link to the feed in your top toolbar.
Backlog:
Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!
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Hello Sideswipe9th,
- Backlog
The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.
- 2022 Awards
Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)
New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly
explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your
common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js
Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.
Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.
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Hey, thanks so much for your contributions on the ABA page. Unfortunately debate is still ongoing, so I have raised a formal dispute resolution thing. I've named you on it as someone who's been part of the debate (albeit not very recently). I hope that's okay!
Hello Sideswipe9th,
Backlog
Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.
Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.
Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.
You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.
Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).
Reminders
- Newsletter feedback - please take this short poll about the newsletter.
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Hi Sideswipe9th,
I think it would be kind of you (and in-line with Wikipedia policy) to restore the IP's comment and explain why we use they/them pronouns to refer to Nex Benedict, as opposed to the he/him we see in most sources now, and the she/her we saw in very early reports, and how this is because Wikipedia operates under a system of gaining consensus for policies, and all articles, per current consensus, must comply with MOS:GENDERID...all of this is obvious to you and I is not so obvious to a first-time editor.
Imagine you were brand new to Wikipedia, were confused about the Wikipedia style guide, and asked a question on an article talk page to this effect. Then your comment disappeared. Because you're not familiar with Wikipedia, it's not immediately obvious what happened or where it went. Your original question went unanswered, and now you're only left with more questions.
WP:NOTFORUM which you cite, states that talk pages should not be used as a general forum for discussing the topic of an article, but rather on how to improve it. IP's comment, while ill-informed, is relevant to improving the article (by changing pronouns), and is not general commentary on the subject. Thus, it seems as though this is an inappropriate rationale for removing the comment when we can politely end the user's confusion.
Thanks, Peter L Griffin ( talk) 01:17, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Peter L Griffin.
- The
IP editor's comment was a forum style comment about pronouns, it was not a suggestion on how to improve the article. On articles in this content area we see dozens of this type of comment every day, and they are typically removed per
WP:NOTFORUM. So I will not be restoring it at this time.
Sideswipe9th (
talk) 01:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- It would seem the IP's (implied) suggestion was to modify the pronouns in the article to reflect Nex's sex assigned at birth.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to hold that opinion of the comment, however that seems unlikely given that the comment ended with
Those are the only pronouns. The facts do not care about your feelings.
There are a great many editors, including myself and EvergreenFir who would remove this type of comment per the reasoning you've been given. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 01:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)- Eh,
hanlon's razor may apply here. I'm not going to start an editwar with you over this, but IP clearly does have an (ill-informed) opinion about how the article ought to read and has some logic of sorts to back it up. I do think a reply would be courteous.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hanlon's is often tempered by Occam's, and the simpler explanation is that this was just a forum style comment about pronouns. You are of course welcome to post a message about why the comment was removed on the IP editor's talk page if you so wish. However that type of comment has no place on an article talk page. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 01:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Eh,
hanlon's razor may apply here. I'm not going to start an editwar with you over this, but IP clearly does have an (ill-informed) opinion about how the article ought to read and has some logic of sorts to back it up. I do think a reply would be courteous.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to hold that opinion of the comment, however that seems unlikely given that the comment ended with
- It would seem the IP's (implied) suggestion was to modify the pronouns in the article to reflect Nex's sex assigned at birth.
Peter L Griffin (
talk) 01:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Where is Kate? for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where is Kate? (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 11:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello Sideswipe9th,
Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.
Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.
It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!
2023 Awards
Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.
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- OK, thanks very much. I was worried you might be having the same health troubles as before; delighted it was just a holiday. Bishonen | tålk 16:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC).
- I saw your message on Roxy's page, and I want you to know that you are in my thoughts. Be safe. Best, --
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Tryptofish: It's been a tough couple of days. Can't go into more details for now I'm afraid, but thanks for the thoughts.
Sideswipe9th (
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- Sorry to hear it. I understand. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 21:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Tryptofish: It's been a tough couple of days. Can't go into more details for now I'm afraid, but thanks for the thoughts.
Sideswipe9th (
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Hi Sideswipe9th, the ARCA you filed has been closed. The consensus of arbitrators was that the current procedures are sufficient for the area. firefly ( t · c ) 16:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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