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@ MSGJ Can you help add some tracking categories of {{ WPBS}}?
If we already have such tracking categories, please let me know, thanks. Kanashimi ( talk) 08:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
MSGJ Thinking of tracking categories, is there one like Category:WikiProject banners without banner shells but just for articles (well article talk pages), i.e. not userspace or draftspace, etc. Would it be useful...? I'm thinking partly to see how much the PIQA bots have left to do in that area. Thanks. - Kj cheetham ( talk) 16:53, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
I notice that Talk:48th Brigade (United Kingdom) is tracked as not having a banner shell, but it does have a banner shell — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 14:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Code on
Module:Banner shell/sandbox for tracking any invalid values of |blp=
, |living=
, |blpo=
, |activepol=
, |collapsed=
or |category=
and will place them in
Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with invalid parameters — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 16:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Anyone else want to lend a hand at Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with invalid parameters and we can get these cleaned up — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Just to let people know that
Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with invalid parameters is now tracking invalid uses of the |class=
parameter. Basically anything other than stub/start/c/b/ga/a/fa/fl will end up in this category (sorted under "Z") — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 09:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Should |living=no
/|blp=no
be removed on category talks only, since there are no categorization changes whether or not they're used? I've seen them on a small-ish # of very old {{
WP Years}}+{{
WP Biography}} categories.
Presumably, |living=yes
& |blp=yes
should be kept even on categories, since the category is then added to
Category:Noindexed pages? ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 16:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
|living/blp=no
seem to be useless on cats, so I've started removing them while doing more significant changes. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 19:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
What's gone wrong with
Talk:Abu Bakr Rabee Ibn Ahmad Al-Akhawyni Bokhari still having WikiProjects saying they are Unassessed when |class=stub
is in the banner shell? Is the length of the article title an issue at all? -
Kj cheetham (
talk) 19:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
}
which presumably messed up the pattern matching.
Reason: This way, others can figure out if an article needs a reassement (or if it's just a diffrence of opinion) without going through talk page history and article history, and only need to compare the revisions. OrdinaryGiraffe ( talk) 23:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
A major issue in the current assessment system is that many articles' assessment is years out of date. Even worse, there is no way to tell whether ten year old assessments are still current or not, as there is no way to explicitly agree with the current rating. Should we add a "last assessed" parameter to the banner shell that could be updated to the current time every time somebody used Rater or a similar semi-manual tool? — Kusma ( talk) 11:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
A few suggestions to help process articles with conflicting quality ratings:
I think these would resolve a lot of the conflicting ratings. Please suggest any more with rationale and example — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 14:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Suggestion per Nurg above, that we could perhaps all get behind? We can change 3000 to a different number. I am using byte count rather than word count because I don't know how to automatically count words.
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Module:Banner shell is currently calling Template:Banner holder. I'm not overly keen on a module calling a template, but in this case the module overrides most of the default functions of Banner holder. So I'm wondering if this template could be bypassed and its functionality merged into the module? Ping @ Izno who was involved in some 2022 changes — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 14:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
p.wikiproject_shell
.
Izno (
talk) 17:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Started in sandbox [4]. Lots more work and testing needed yet — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
One issue I've just noticed. It no longer makes the small banners large when inside the shell - (see Template:Banner holder/doc#Examples). This is supposed to be done by Module:Banner shell/styles.css#L-25 but not sure why it's not working now — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hilst
[talk]
11:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
<templatestyles src="Module:Message box/tmbox.css"/><templatestyles src="Banner holder/styles.css"/>
and now it's the other way round <templatestyles src="Banner holder/styles.css"/><templatestyles src="Module:Message box/tmbox.css"/>
. Perhaps the overriding definition needs to come later? — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 14:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does this template suddenly have a lot less space between the contents and the border? jlwoodwa ( talk) 01:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Most of the invalid values of |class=
that are being tracked in
Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with invalid parameters are there because |class=NA
. At the moment this is not recognised and these are just left unassessed. That's because non-articles (e.g. redirects and disambiguation pages) are supposed to be identified automatically and the class is only for classifying articles. — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 09:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
|class=
parameter, it was always set automatically under certain circumstances - such as that the |class=
parameter is blank or absent, and the banner was used on a talk page for something other than an article (file, template, category etc.), and that the banner did not use the extended quality scale. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 13:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)|class=NA
or |class=Project
.
Gonnym (
talk) 08:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject banner shell is permanently
protected from editing because it is a
heavily used or highly visible template. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by
consensus, editors may use {{
edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's
documentation to add usage notes or
categories.
Any contributor may edit the template's sandbox. Functionality of the template can be checked using test cases. |
Council | ||||
|
This template was considered for deletion on 8 January 2021. The result of the discussion was "consensus against autocollapsing". |
On 15 February 2023, it was proposed that this page be moved. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
|
This page has archives. Sections older than 60 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 5 sections are present. |
@ MSGJ Can you help add some tracking categories of {{ WPBS}}?
If we already have such tracking categories, please let me know, thanks. Kanashimi ( talk) 08:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
MSGJ Thinking of tracking categories, is there one like Category:WikiProject banners without banner shells but just for articles (well article talk pages), i.e. not userspace or draftspace, etc. Would it be useful...? I'm thinking partly to see how much the PIQA bots have left to do in that area. Thanks. - Kj cheetham ( talk) 16:53, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
I notice that Talk:48th Brigade (United Kingdom) is tracked as not having a banner shell, but it does have a banner shell — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 14:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Code on
Module:Banner shell/sandbox for tracking any invalid values of |blp=
, |living=
, |blpo=
, |activepol=
, |collapsed=
or |category=
and will place them in
Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with invalid parameters — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 16:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Anyone else want to lend a hand at Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with invalid parameters and we can get these cleaned up — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Just to let people know that
Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with invalid parameters is now tracking invalid uses of the |class=
parameter. Basically anything other than stub/start/c/b/ga/a/fa/fl will end up in this category (sorted under "Z") — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 09:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Should |living=no
/|blp=no
be removed on category talks only, since there are no categorization changes whether or not they're used? I've seen them on a small-ish # of very old {{
WP Years}}+{{
WP Biography}} categories.
Presumably, |living=yes
& |blp=yes
should be kept even on categories, since the category is then added to
Category:Noindexed pages? ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 16:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
|living/blp=no
seem to be useless on cats, so I've started removing them while doing more significant changes. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 19:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
What's gone wrong with
Talk:Abu Bakr Rabee Ibn Ahmad Al-Akhawyni Bokhari still having WikiProjects saying they are Unassessed when |class=stub
is in the banner shell? Is the length of the article title an issue at all? -
Kj cheetham (
talk) 19:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
}
which presumably messed up the pattern matching.
Reason: This way, others can figure out if an article needs a reassement (or if it's just a diffrence of opinion) without going through talk page history and article history, and only need to compare the revisions. OrdinaryGiraffe ( talk) 23:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
A major issue in the current assessment system is that many articles' assessment is years out of date. Even worse, there is no way to tell whether ten year old assessments are still current or not, as there is no way to explicitly agree with the current rating. Should we add a "last assessed" parameter to the banner shell that could be updated to the current time every time somebody used Rater or a similar semi-manual tool? — Kusma ( talk) 11:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
A few suggestions to help process articles with conflicting quality ratings:
I think these would resolve a lot of the conflicting ratings. Please suggest any more with rationale and example — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 14:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Suggestion per Nurg above, that we could perhaps all get behind? We can change 3000 to a different number. I am using byte count rather than word count because I don't know how to automatically count words.
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Module:Banner shell is currently calling Template:Banner holder. I'm not overly keen on a module calling a template, but in this case the module overrides most of the default functions of Banner holder. So I'm wondering if this template could be bypassed and its functionality merged into the module? Ping @ Izno who was involved in some 2022 changes — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 14:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
p.wikiproject_shell
.
Izno (
talk) 17:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Started in sandbox [4]. Lots more work and testing needed yet — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
One issue I've just noticed. It no longer makes the small banners large when inside the shell - (see Template:Banner holder/doc#Examples). This is supposed to be done by Module:Banner shell/styles.css#L-25 but not sure why it's not working now — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Hilst
[talk]
11:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
<templatestyles src="Module:Message box/tmbox.css"/><templatestyles src="Banner holder/styles.css"/>
and now it's the other way round <templatestyles src="Banner holder/styles.css"/><templatestyles src="Module:Message box/tmbox.css"/>
. Perhaps the overriding definition needs to come later? — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 14:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does this template suddenly have a lot less space between the contents and the border? jlwoodwa ( talk) 01:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Most of the invalid values of |class=
that are being tracked in
Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with invalid parameters are there because |class=NA
. At the moment this is not recognised and these are just left unassessed. That's because non-articles (e.g. redirects and disambiguation pages) are supposed to be identified automatically and the class is only for classifying articles. — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 09:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
|class=
parameter, it was always set automatically under certain circumstances - such as that the |class=
parameter is blank or absent, and the banner was used on a talk page for something other than an article (file, template, category etc.), and that the banner did not use the extended quality scale. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 13:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)|class=NA
or |class=Project
.
Gonnym (
talk) 08:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)