Someone changed "senile" describing Petain's last years at Yeu with the following edit summary:
( →Imprisonment: The term 'senile' is an offensive and dismissive way to describe cognitive impairment.)
But I don't think the substitute wording means much to non-experts:
By the end of 1949, Pétain was suffering from severe cognitive impairment, with only occasional moments of lucidity.
I suppose this should go (if it warrants it) to the Pétain talk page, but I wondered if you or Mathglot or another of your lurkers might have a good idea of giving information without giving offence. "Senile" isn't offensive to me in this context (after all, the word is being pretty freely thrown around both candidates for the 2024 U.S. presidential election), but I could see how others might see it as offensive in the context of this article. And on this day, don't forget to remember where Marshal Pétain was on 11 November 1918. —— Shakescene ( talk) 23:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
(?)By May, Pétain required constant nursing care, and often suffered from hallucinations, e.g. that he was commanding armies in battle, or that naked women were dancing around his room.[70] By the end of 1949, Pétain
was suffering from severe cognitive impairment, withhad only occasional moments of lucidity.
@ Piotrus: Some algorithm or other asked me if I was interested in this: this, probably because, as we discussed a while back, there are some mentions there of the painter you asked me about, the friend of the Polish poet. The mentions weren't real substantive but made me think he probably came up a lot in society pages about the salons. He might make an interesting mention in an article on Montmartre in the late 19th century, or as background for School of Paris or one of the articles about Impressionists. There is probably room for an article like that, or even one about emigres in Paris; the sheer density of artists, writers, playwrights and such is notable, should somebody feel like writing about it. Maybe I should start gathering sources Elinruby ( talk) 09:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Someone added "and statesman" to this lede paragraph:
Henri Philippe Benoni Omer Pétain ( /peɪˈtæ̃/, French: [filip petɛ̃]); 24 April 1856 – 23 July 1951) was a French military officer and statesman who commanded the French Army in World War I and became the head of the collaborationist regime of Vichy France, from 1940 to 1944, during World War II.
Philippe Pétain was more than a military officer, but — unless "statesman" is generic and non-judgemental in Wikipedia (is Hitler or Stalin or Mussolini or Idi Amin a "statesman"?) — is there a better-focussed and less-loaded term for his rôle as Chef de l'État Français ? Or is any term needed when the lede sentence ends, "and became the head of the collaborationist regime of Vichy France" ?
@ Mathglot: —— Shakescene ( talk) 02:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Apparently, and not surprisingly really, people in Paris didn't know how to react when occupying German soldiers very courteously would ask them for directions. It troubled Sartre a lot, and there's an interesting short discussion of this in the Jean-Paul Sartre article, in the middle of the § World War II section. This reaction or syndrome seems like a worthy subject of serious study, and I wonder if there has been any. I wonder if there are papers on different "levels" of collaboration, from these incidents at one end, to Pétain, Laval, Lafont, or Vallat at the other. Mathglot ( talk) 09:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Elinruby
First of all thank you for your massive contribution to this article Regency of Algiers, it's much more pleasent to read this way, and regarding your last modifications in the "Soceity" section, i relied pretty much on one arabic secondary source only, as it presented an overview of the Algerian urban soceity, so i had to translate some parts and rewrite other parts, yet my english is still a bit rough, so i think that your contributions are much appreciated and more sources will be added if need in this section.
Best regards. Nourerrahmane ( talk) 09:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
It is much better with Arabic sources and ideas than when I worked on it a while back.
What I meant by "vague" is that it is very difficult to find a source for something like--i forget what I took out -- "the city had many amenities" for example, especially in English, and the French felt strongly that they were bringing civilization and in the 18th century were.pretty sure that civilization looked like them.
I really liked the new stuff about the economy and idea the madrasas, except that were the sources for that French? It may be hard to not say they were low-quality because they didn't teach science yet not make them sound by hotbed s of religious zealotry, But go you, I am sure you can do it. I know you said the scholars were in Tlemcen (do I remember that right?) But...
I will talk about this more at the talk page, as I am getting tired and don't have specifics handy. But Muslims not selling alcohol seems unsurprising. Maybe talk about those coffeehouses instead. Were there any poets who hung out there? Or was it a military town only? No, right? The stuff about wheat from Russia was interesting, also the silkworms. What was the music like? All those slaves-- did they sell them? Make them do construction? See where I am going? Also you don't have to listen to me and are free to tell me to piss off, but I think you are better of with a vigorous but friendly edit from someone with a an interest and a little knowledge than an unfriendly edit from someone who is bored by gw topic. I'll take another pass in about a week how is that? I realize it's a work in progress but by the way, if you are using machine translation please don't. Unless there is really no other way. I guessed quite a bit, which is why i want you, who knows what happened, to make sure I didn't guess wrong. If you *can* translate from Arabic by hand, even to French, the results will be much better. But don't put French in the article! If you want go through French, ping me and we'll figure out where to put the French.
Don't worry, be happy and thanks for working on the article ;)
Hi,
I've been chiselling away at " Château de La Ferté-Imbault" in a very disorganised way, but I think I'm beginning to see progress. There's still a lot more to do, of course.
One issue I've had is with the interlanguage link to fr:Duché d'Aerschot. English Wikipedia actually has a page " Duke of Aarschot" which contains less information than the French page, but when I try to add the French language link to the sidebar of that page, I encounter a problem: the English page is in the Wikidata category Duke of Aarschot, while the French page is in the category Duchy of Aarschot. I'm tempted to merge the categories, but I don't want to break anything. Any suggestions?
Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 22:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
looking ... There is a difference in the category tree. But Let's start here: the original problem is that you want to ILL to fr:Duché d'Aerschot? Because it has the most information? it's weird, on the Fr side the hierarchy is:
But in English
This is a worthy thing to fix both are at the same hierarchy level under the Duke, but can't we just display text that isn't "Duke of Aarschot ? Or do I still not understand the question?
Apparently I am overthinking again because Duché d'Aerschot works too but won't if you link "Duke of Aarschot" to *Duché d'Aerschot" in the side ar (or someone else does, then the links above will go to Duke of Aarschot, which is what you don't want, right? Let me let the cat in and look at the article history
Elinruby ( talk) 23:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
I was confused, in part because I edit on a phone a whole lot and forget that sidebar is there on other platforms. But it's a link like any other, I've done those.
Just cautioning you while that linking Duke of Aarschot" from " fr:Duché d'Aerschot wouldn't *break* anything, I don't think, since they each have the Duke as a parent category except it will break your ILL. (but @ Mathglot: knows more about categories than I do) but would if you do that you will have to work around the English page you don't like. It might be easiest to expand the English page, but that depends on how much is involved, how much time you have, and how many other associated pages need expansion or creation.
meanwhile: what else is in Duke of Aerschot besides the page? and it trips me out that the french put the Duchy under the Duke. But back to your answer, there isn't a rule that says you "should" link to the English article rather that the French, and a much better or longer French is a good reason to go the other way. But if the link goes in the sidebar the ILL will go the to the English article, and the system people frown on the fr:article title syntax you used above, because while it works it doesn't get tracked. But your call. Feel free to discuss anything else here if you like; always ready how overthink something. I'm just glad you're working on that article. Elinruby ( talk) 01:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Some interesting stuff in this article in Le Monde Diplomatique (in English) about US plans for France post-war: When the US wanted to take over France. I knew about a lot of the antipathy between FDR and CDG, and I knew it was dicey whether France was going to be considered a 'Western Ally' post-war (and thus to be counted as among the victors, with all that meant, including, for example, getting a piece of Berlin) but I didn't know it went this far; and although I knew about FDR's overtures to Giraud and Darlan in No. Africa, I didn't know about the connection between those meetings and FDR's post-war plans for France, and that he was apparently thinking about it that early. I can think of half a dozen articles where bits of this may be relevant. Anyway, sorry to keep dumping ideas on you, but I'm stuck on a bunch of things, and just wanted to get this written down somewhere before I forget, so don't feel like you have to do anything with it. It's an interesting read, though, so enjoy it. Mathglot ( talk) 05:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
It kinda was to someone else, but it two months ago, and it was never deliberately posted let alone to you.
My deepest apologies, because no. you did not deserve that. I was trying to get it our of the phone buffer when I was moving text earlier.
It's about some editor endlessly banging on about what a terrible editor I am, look at that page block, and ooh look at this too, and he was going to have somebody straighten me out unless Igave some respect his admonishments about a purportedly erroneous and/or malicious cn tag from 2020, ffs, on a hot button article, like it would even still be undealt-with in September 2023,
I finally had to template him. Three times before he stopped. It isn't inappropriate for you to object to it now you undeservedly saw it, so I am not going to remove what you said, but I wish you would, or at least the diff, lest it lead to more of that shit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elinruby ( talk • contribs) 11:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Do you know what elites and what privileges they are talking about there? It almost sounds like the aristocracy, but surely they didn't have many privileges de jure by the Third Republic? Tax breaks maybe? Elinruby ( talk) 07:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)French elites supported the idea: they clung to the Vichy regime, which had restored privileges taken away by the pre-war republican government
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I've been around here for a long time, and not once has the Random article link in the left sidebar ever led me to anything really interesting, even though I keep trying, every few weeks or so. Until today, that is, when it landed me at Russian Volunteer Corps. I thought you might like to add this to your watchlist. Interesting article; I never heard of them before. So, tell me: what's your most interesting landing page from 'Random'? If you don't use it, try it in the top group of tools under 'Main page', or just click here. I clicked it myself, and it landed me at Jónsi, an Icelandic musician. Each time you click it, it will take you somwhere else; usually, entirely forgettable articles. But Russian Volunteer Corps is worth a read. Mathglot ( talk) 10:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Looks authoritative and all [3] until you realize it's quoting Wikipedia. Verbatim and cited all legit, but not a source Elinruby ( talk) 21:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I see you're systemically removing reliable sources with the justification "do not meet sourcing standards", such as [5]. Can you clarify what "standard" you're enforcing here? "Not academic" isn't a sufficient rationale to remove a source in most circumstances. VQuakr ( talk) 17:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
BilledMammal academically focused is just as important as reputable publisher. So major universities' presses are examples of what passes. Beyond that I think it unhelpful to clarify in the abstract. Barkeep49 (talk) 08:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)so on second thought I decline to beat this dead horse at Arbcom on your behalf. You really should self revert, or at a minimum read the decisions, if you want to pursue this. Elsewhere, please, however. I feel I have been very patient about this Elinruby ( talk) 08:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
@ VQuakr: added a convenience link for you since I went over there to check something else. Elinruby ( talk) 10:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
I have my usual go-to sources for unusual, rare, or obsolete French words, but they don't do well with slang and popular expressions, verlan, hip-hop, all that sort of stuff. Well, I just ran into LingQ.com, and based on the words I decided to look up while watching a French film with tons of slang, it does really well. Here are a few:
I understood taf in context, but wouldn't have sworn I knew it. The others, I never heard before. Thought you might be interested. Mathglot ( talk) 06:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Morning @ Elinruby: How things. Happy New Year. Whats your plans? Plans within plans. scope_creep Talk 09:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
[7] Mathglot I think this might have something to do with Montegrande (archaeological site). Elinruby ( talk) 14:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, good day could you help me give a more neutral composition and writing to Dhruv Sharma article and achieve compliance with Wikipedia standards? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhruv_Sharma_(singer) 57ntaledane9 ( talk) 13:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Scope creep: ah you were specifically talking about concentration camps. Most of them were in Poland, but there is plenty of that too. More later Elinruby ( talk) 23:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Oh. No. I never touch pop culture, haven't the patience for edit warriors over whether something is emo or folk or whatever. I have no idea where the editor got my name. Elinruby ( talk) 00:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Could use a little love, and surely there are collaborators here. Not that France needs more material and strictly speaking this all happened on territory that Germany had annexed, but the skulls wound up at a French school of medicine. Anyway, discuss? Elinruby ( talk) 09:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service is clear from records made public by the Dutch Argus foundation. [1] Elinruby ( talk) 08:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
References
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/arts/heirs-awarded-nazi-looted-art-are-still-waiting-17-years-later.html https://greekreporter.com/2024/03/13/germany-looted-greek-antiquities-samos/
Hello! Since in the last year we've talked a little about the 2023 Brazilian Congress attack, you may like to see this page: Planning for a coup d'état after the 2022 Brazilian presidential elections. Cheers, Erick Soares3 ( talk) 18:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Elinruby, the CBC has done a documentary about legal personhood and the Magpie River. Don’t know if you could access it by a streaming service or YouTube? Here’s a link to a CBC article about the documentary: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7100728 Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 14:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
That was a lot of edits to article Konrad Henlein, so I suppose that errors naturally crept in?
In this edit you changed:
into
Nearby there is a strangeness from
2017
which I'd think would be 'handled'.
Seeing these puzzlers, I'd love to see the text closely re-read by a subject matter specialist such as you, looking for any other oddities. I think the article would be improved. Shenme ( talk) 02:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
@ Shenme::
Possibly Scope creep could be convinced to lend a hand also.
Hello, did you mean to create Stuff Norwegians say in a sandbox? Thanks, Wikishovel ( talk) 07:15, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
The Djenina spelling led to an image on Commons, which we are using at Regency of Algiers, and to fr:Palais de la Jénina, which has an Arabic version of similar length. I find a number of mentions in books, a few sentences each; Google is mostly showing me writing from an aesthetic point of view, deploring the mistreatment of the building including the "bourgeois" colonial structures surrounding it, but that may be a response to my past reading interests. It was badly damaged in the 1716 earthquake; that ref also indicates there may be sources for Dar al Sultan. And that makes me wonder about Commons:Category:Dey Palace in Algiers. Have at it :-) Yngvadottir ( talk) 01:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi. Unfortunately I'm not able to help you at this time and may or may not be in a position to help you any time soon. As such I suggest you seek assistance from someone else. Sorry, Barkeep49 ( talk) 17:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Elinruby. I recently have had occasion to interact with editor Blindlynx at a completely unrelated topic, and they appear to have some really interesting background and interests in E. European subjects, including such topics as Maidan Revolution, for example. Blindlynx appears to be a really good editor, and on top of that, is a native speaker of Ukrainian. Elinruby, meet Blindlynx. Blindlynx, meet Elinruby. You guys will have plenty to talk about, I'm sure! Mathglot ( talk) 00:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Just bumping this thread as a reminder, because I think there will be synergy here. Just a reminder; no need to respond if there's nothing active now. Mathglot ( talk) 09:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC) Thanks. Currently trying to get done with Feudal land use in Algiers before somebody picks that article.for its review. I agree that this sounds interesting. Elinruby ( talk) 09:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you. Feel free to chime in any time. Elinruby ( talk) 22:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Are you the one who asked for the undelete of Draft:Black market in wartime France/translation in progress? Because it's just been brought back, and if you didn't ask for it, then I don't know who would've. Mathglot ( talk) 07:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, it hit its six months. I think this is something a confused NPPer did at one point but I wanted to see what it was. I can stick it in a sandbox if it's in your way somehow. Elinruby ( talk) 07:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Oh hey while I have your attention I found an extensive open-access discussion of land tenure and OUP and put the link in the Agriculture section of the talk page Elinruby ( talk) 07:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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I pinged you from the discussion, but just so you can find them again if and when you want to, the link to this prolific, fairly new editor translating Brazilian topics is User talk:Racnela21. Cheers, Mathglot ( talk) 00:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Mathglot: consider this person also Elinruby ( talk) 23:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, what do you think about the article Noam Bettan which I am currently working on? It is Relevant! I think so.-- Acartonadooopo ( talk) 07:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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Just FYI that page exists at Tulip mania! Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 14:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Horse Eye's Back Thanks for trying ;P But by the time I saw your valiant attempt to prevent that particular mental short-circuit from being immortalized, they already had a template up saying close in progress, don't touch. I was pretty sure they thought we were ALL idiots, and that this would not be the thread to try to explain to admins who don't know me that I had been trying to remember the phrase "feeding frenzy" and wound up typng the word "frenzy" three times in one sentence. LOL. I really really do appreciate the effort though. Feel free to try to stop me from doing dumb stuff whenever you think this might be the case. I may wind up disagreeing with you, but I will always at least listen and appreciate the thought. Lol. And kudos for even recognizing that term out of context, actually. I am quietly impressed ~~
Hi @ Elinruby: Can you fix the talk page. That latest cot/cob you put in has disapeared the checkpoint section. scope_creep Talk 12:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
I didn't do it, just got overwritten twice in a row. I haven't collapsed anything. Let me look at history. Was wondering if you are looking for something to do? Elinruby ( talk) 12:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
I just got 13 notifications lol. If not I do not know. If not I don't know. Going to go turn it off. Meanwhile If you *are* wondering what needs doing maybe check the manufacturing section, I am not certain I finished it. 13:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC) rn
Hi @ Elinruby: I noticed the WP:NPP sprint is starting in May, which I intend to take part in, so i've only got a couple of weeks on Regency of Algiers before I bail out. I do plan to work on a couple of my own articles I'm developing so it won't be the full two weeks. I intend to spend the full month on the NPP sprint, so i'll only be showing face occasionally. I've finished reviewing up to architecture, which is fine section. I want to try to get those section I've checked, reviwed. I'm hoping they have been updated. Lastly, remember to sign your comments!!! scope_creep Talk 18:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Someone changed "senile" describing Petain's last years at Yeu with the following edit summary:
( →Imprisonment: The term 'senile' is an offensive and dismissive way to describe cognitive impairment.)
But I don't think the substitute wording means much to non-experts:
By the end of 1949, Pétain was suffering from severe cognitive impairment, with only occasional moments of lucidity.
I suppose this should go (if it warrants it) to the Pétain talk page, but I wondered if you or Mathglot or another of your lurkers might have a good idea of giving information without giving offence. "Senile" isn't offensive to me in this context (after all, the word is being pretty freely thrown around both candidates for the 2024 U.S. presidential election), but I could see how others might see it as offensive in the context of this article. And on this day, don't forget to remember where Marshal Pétain was on 11 November 1918. —— Shakescene ( talk) 23:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
(?)By May, Pétain required constant nursing care, and often suffered from hallucinations, e.g. that he was commanding armies in battle, or that naked women were dancing around his room.[70] By the end of 1949, Pétain
was suffering from severe cognitive impairment, withhad only occasional moments of lucidity.
@ Piotrus: Some algorithm or other asked me if I was interested in this: this, probably because, as we discussed a while back, there are some mentions there of the painter you asked me about, the friend of the Polish poet. The mentions weren't real substantive but made me think he probably came up a lot in society pages about the salons. He might make an interesting mention in an article on Montmartre in the late 19th century, or as background for School of Paris or one of the articles about Impressionists. There is probably room for an article like that, or even one about emigres in Paris; the sheer density of artists, writers, playwrights and such is notable, should somebody feel like writing about it. Maybe I should start gathering sources Elinruby ( talk) 09:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Someone added "and statesman" to this lede paragraph:
Henri Philippe Benoni Omer Pétain ( /peɪˈtæ̃/, French: [filip petɛ̃]); 24 April 1856 – 23 July 1951) was a French military officer and statesman who commanded the French Army in World War I and became the head of the collaborationist regime of Vichy France, from 1940 to 1944, during World War II.
Philippe Pétain was more than a military officer, but — unless "statesman" is generic and non-judgemental in Wikipedia (is Hitler or Stalin or Mussolini or Idi Amin a "statesman"?) — is there a better-focussed and less-loaded term for his rôle as Chef de l'État Français ? Or is any term needed when the lede sentence ends, "and became the head of the collaborationist regime of Vichy France" ?
@ Mathglot: —— Shakescene ( talk) 02:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Apparently, and not surprisingly really, people in Paris didn't know how to react when occupying German soldiers very courteously would ask them for directions. It troubled Sartre a lot, and there's an interesting short discussion of this in the Jean-Paul Sartre article, in the middle of the § World War II section. This reaction or syndrome seems like a worthy subject of serious study, and I wonder if there has been any. I wonder if there are papers on different "levels" of collaboration, from these incidents at one end, to Pétain, Laval, Lafont, or Vallat at the other. Mathglot ( talk) 09:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Elinruby
First of all thank you for your massive contribution to this article Regency of Algiers, it's much more pleasent to read this way, and regarding your last modifications in the "Soceity" section, i relied pretty much on one arabic secondary source only, as it presented an overview of the Algerian urban soceity, so i had to translate some parts and rewrite other parts, yet my english is still a bit rough, so i think that your contributions are much appreciated and more sources will be added if need in this section.
Best regards. Nourerrahmane ( talk) 09:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
It is much better with Arabic sources and ideas than when I worked on it a while back.
What I meant by "vague" is that it is very difficult to find a source for something like--i forget what I took out -- "the city had many amenities" for example, especially in English, and the French felt strongly that they were bringing civilization and in the 18th century were.pretty sure that civilization looked like them.
I really liked the new stuff about the economy and idea the madrasas, except that were the sources for that French? It may be hard to not say they were low-quality because they didn't teach science yet not make them sound by hotbed s of religious zealotry, But go you, I am sure you can do it. I know you said the scholars were in Tlemcen (do I remember that right?) But...
I will talk about this more at the talk page, as I am getting tired and don't have specifics handy. But Muslims not selling alcohol seems unsurprising. Maybe talk about those coffeehouses instead. Were there any poets who hung out there? Or was it a military town only? No, right? The stuff about wheat from Russia was interesting, also the silkworms. What was the music like? All those slaves-- did they sell them? Make them do construction? See where I am going? Also you don't have to listen to me and are free to tell me to piss off, but I think you are better of with a vigorous but friendly edit from someone with a an interest and a little knowledge than an unfriendly edit from someone who is bored by gw topic. I'll take another pass in about a week how is that? I realize it's a work in progress but by the way, if you are using machine translation please don't. Unless there is really no other way. I guessed quite a bit, which is why i want you, who knows what happened, to make sure I didn't guess wrong. If you *can* translate from Arabic by hand, even to French, the results will be much better. But don't put French in the article! If you want go through French, ping me and we'll figure out where to put the French.
Don't worry, be happy and thanks for working on the article ;)
Hi,
I've been chiselling away at " Château de La Ferté-Imbault" in a very disorganised way, but I think I'm beginning to see progress. There's still a lot more to do, of course.
One issue I've had is with the interlanguage link to fr:Duché d'Aerschot. English Wikipedia actually has a page " Duke of Aarschot" which contains less information than the French page, but when I try to add the French language link to the sidebar of that page, I encounter a problem: the English page is in the Wikidata category Duke of Aarschot, while the French page is in the category Duchy of Aarschot. I'm tempted to merge the categories, but I don't want to break anything. Any suggestions?
Best wishes, Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 22:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
looking ... There is a difference in the category tree. But Let's start here: the original problem is that you want to ILL to fr:Duché d'Aerschot? Because it has the most information? it's weird, on the Fr side the hierarchy is:
But in English
This is a worthy thing to fix both are at the same hierarchy level under the Duke, but can't we just display text that isn't "Duke of Aarschot ? Or do I still not understand the question?
Apparently I am overthinking again because Duché d'Aerschot works too but won't if you link "Duke of Aarschot" to *Duché d'Aerschot" in the side ar (or someone else does, then the links above will go to Duke of Aarschot, which is what you don't want, right? Let me let the cat in and look at the article history
Elinruby ( talk) 23:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
I was confused, in part because I edit on a phone a whole lot and forget that sidebar is there on other platforms. But it's a link like any other, I've done those.
Just cautioning you while that linking Duke of Aarschot" from " fr:Duché d'Aerschot wouldn't *break* anything, I don't think, since they each have the Duke as a parent category except it will break your ILL. (but @ Mathglot: knows more about categories than I do) but would if you do that you will have to work around the English page you don't like. It might be easiest to expand the English page, but that depends on how much is involved, how much time you have, and how many other associated pages need expansion or creation.
meanwhile: what else is in Duke of Aerschot besides the page? and it trips me out that the french put the Duchy under the Duke. But back to your answer, there isn't a rule that says you "should" link to the English article rather that the French, and a much better or longer French is a good reason to go the other way. But if the link goes in the sidebar the ILL will go the to the English article, and the system people frown on the fr:article title syntax you used above, because while it works it doesn't get tracked. But your call. Feel free to discuss anything else here if you like; always ready how overthink something. I'm just glad you're working on that article. Elinruby ( talk) 01:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Some interesting stuff in this article in Le Monde Diplomatique (in English) about US plans for France post-war: When the US wanted to take over France. I knew about a lot of the antipathy between FDR and CDG, and I knew it was dicey whether France was going to be considered a 'Western Ally' post-war (and thus to be counted as among the victors, with all that meant, including, for example, getting a piece of Berlin) but I didn't know it went this far; and although I knew about FDR's overtures to Giraud and Darlan in No. Africa, I didn't know about the connection between those meetings and FDR's post-war plans for France, and that he was apparently thinking about it that early. I can think of half a dozen articles where bits of this may be relevant. Anyway, sorry to keep dumping ideas on you, but I'm stuck on a bunch of things, and just wanted to get this written down somewhere before I forget, so don't feel like you have to do anything with it. It's an interesting read, though, so enjoy it. Mathglot ( talk) 05:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
It kinda was to someone else, but it two months ago, and it was never deliberately posted let alone to you.
My deepest apologies, because no. you did not deserve that. I was trying to get it our of the phone buffer when I was moving text earlier.
It's about some editor endlessly banging on about what a terrible editor I am, look at that page block, and ooh look at this too, and he was going to have somebody straighten me out unless Igave some respect his admonishments about a purportedly erroneous and/or malicious cn tag from 2020, ffs, on a hot button article, like it would even still be undealt-with in September 2023,
I finally had to template him. Three times before he stopped. It isn't inappropriate for you to object to it now you undeservedly saw it, so I am not going to remove what you said, but I wish you would, or at least the diff, lest it lead to more of that shit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elinruby ( talk • contribs) 11:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Do you know what elites and what privileges they are talking about there? It almost sounds like the aristocracy, but surely they didn't have many privileges de jure by the Third Republic? Tax breaks maybe? Elinruby ( talk) 07:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)French elites supported the idea: they clung to the Vichy regime, which had restored privileges taken away by the pre-war republican government
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Hi, E., since both you and @ Mathglot: have some interest in arcane legal history, one or both of you might be interested in this Ref. Desk question:
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I've been around here for a long time, and not once has the Random article link in the left sidebar ever led me to anything really interesting, even though I keep trying, every few weeks or so. Until today, that is, when it landed me at Russian Volunteer Corps. I thought you might like to add this to your watchlist. Interesting article; I never heard of them before. So, tell me: what's your most interesting landing page from 'Random'? If you don't use it, try it in the top group of tools under 'Main page', or just click here. I clicked it myself, and it landed me at Jónsi, an Icelandic musician. Each time you click it, it will take you somwhere else; usually, entirely forgettable articles. But Russian Volunteer Corps is worth a read. Mathglot ( talk) 10:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Looks authoritative and all [3] until you realize it's quoting Wikipedia. Verbatim and cited all legit, but not a source Elinruby ( talk) 21:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I see you're systemically removing reliable sources with the justification "do not meet sourcing standards", such as [5]. Can you clarify what "standard" you're enforcing here? "Not academic" isn't a sufficient rationale to remove a source in most circumstances. VQuakr ( talk) 17:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
BilledMammal academically focused is just as important as reputable publisher. So major universities' presses are examples of what passes. Beyond that I think it unhelpful to clarify in the abstract. Barkeep49 (talk) 08:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)so on second thought I decline to beat this dead horse at Arbcom on your behalf. You really should self revert, or at a minimum read the decisions, if you want to pursue this. Elsewhere, please, however. I feel I have been very patient about this Elinruby ( talk) 08:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
@ VQuakr: added a convenience link for you since I went over there to check something else. Elinruby ( talk) 10:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
I have my usual go-to sources for unusual, rare, or obsolete French words, but they don't do well with slang and popular expressions, verlan, hip-hop, all that sort of stuff. Well, I just ran into LingQ.com, and based on the words I decided to look up while watching a French film with tons of slang, it does really well. Here are a few:
I understood taf in context, but wouldn't have sworn I knew it. The others, I never heard before. Thought you might be interested. Mathglot ( talk) 06:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Morning @ Elinruby: How things. Happy New Year. Whats your plans? Plans within plans. scope_creep Talk 09:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
[7] Mathglot I think this might have something to do with Montegrande (archaeological site). Elinruby ( talk) 14:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, good day could you help me give a more neutral composition and writing to Dhruv Sharma article and achieve compliance with Wikipedia standards? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhruv_Sharma_(singer) 57ntaledane9 ( talk) 13:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Scope creep: ah you were specifically talking about concentration camps. Most of them were in Poland, but there is plenty of that too. More later Elinruby ( talk) 23:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Oh. No. I never touch pop culture, haven't the patience for edit warriors over whether something is emo or folk or whatever. I have no idea where the editor got my name. Elinruby ( talk) 00:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Could use a little love, and surely there are collaborators here. Not that France needs more material and strictly speaking this all happened on territory that Germany had annexed, but the skulls wound up at a French school of medicine. Anyway, discuss? Elinruby ( talk) 09:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service is clear from records made public by the Dutch Argus foundation. [1] Elinruby ( talk) 08:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
References
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/arts/heirs-awarded-nazi-looted-art-are-still-waiting-17-years-later.html https://greekreporter.com/2024/03/13/germany-looted-greek-antiquities-samos/
Hello! Since in the last year we've talked a little about the 2023 Brazilian Congress attack, you may like to see this page: Planning for a coup d'état after the 2022 Brazilian presidential elections. Cheers, Erick Soares3 ( talk) 18:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Elinruby, the CBC has done a documentary about legal personhood and the Magpie River. Don’t know if you could access it by a streaming service or YouTube? Here’s a link to a CBC article about the documentary: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7100728 Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 14:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
That was a lot of edits to article Konrad Henlein, so I suppose that errors naturally crept in?
In this edit you changed:
into
Nearby there is a strangeness from
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which I'd think would be 'handled'.
Seeing these puzzlers, I'd love to see the text closely re-read by a subject matter specialist such as you, looking for any other oddities. I think the article would be improved. Shenme ( talk) 02:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
@ Shenme::
Possibly Scope creep could be convinced to lend a hand also.
Hello, did you mean to create Stuff Norwegians say in a sandbox? Thanks, Wikishovel ( talk) 07:15, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
The Djenina spelling led to an image on Commons, which we are using at Regency of Algiers, and to fr:Palais de la Jénina, which has an Arabic version of similar length. I find a number of mentions in books, a few sentences each; Google is mostly showing me writing from an aesthetic point of view, deploring the mistreatment of the building including the "bourgeois" colonial structures surrounding it, but that may be a response to my past reading interests. It was badly damaged in the 1716 earthquake; that ref also indicates there may be sources for Dar al Sultan. And that makes me wonder about Commons:Category:Dey Palace in Algiers. Have at it :-) Yngvadottir ( talk) 01:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi. Unfortunately I'm not able to help you at this time and may or may not be in a position to help you any time soon. As such I suggest you seek assistance from someone else. Sorry, Barkeep49 ( talk) 17:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Elinruby. I recently have had occasion to interact with editor Blindlynx at a completely unrelated topic, and they appear to have some really interesting background and interests in E. European subjects, including such topics as Maidan Revolution, for example. Blindlynx appears to be a really good editor, and on top of that, is a native speaker of Ukrainian. Elinruby, meet Blindlynx. Blindlynx, meet Elinruby. You guys will have plenty to talk about, I'm sure! Mathglot ( talk) 00:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Just bumping this thread as a reminder, because I think there will be synergy here. Just a reminder; no need to respond if there's nothing active now. Mathglot ( talk) 09:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC) Thanks. Currently trying to get done with Feudal land use in Algiers before somebody picks that article.for its review. I agree that this sounds interesting. Elinruby ( talk) 09:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you. Feel free to chime in any time. Elinruby ( talk) 22:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Are you the one who asked for the undelete of Draft:Black market in wartime France/translation in progress? Because it's just been brought back, and if you didn't ask for it, then I don't know who would've. Mathglot ( talk) 07:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, it hit its six months. I think this is something a confused NPPer did at one point but I wanted to see what it was. I can stick it in a sandbox if it's in your way somehow. Elinruby ( talk) 07:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Oh hey while I have your attention I found an extensive open-access discussion of land tenure and OUP and put the link in the Agriculture section of the talk page Elinruby ( talk) 07:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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I pinged you from the discussion, but just so you can find them again if and when you want to, the link to this prolific, fairly new editor translating Brazilian topics is User talk:Racnela21. Cheers, Mathglot ( talk) 00:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Mathglot: consider this person also Elinruby ( talk) 23:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, what do you think about the article Noam Bettan which I am currently working on? It is Relevant! I think so.-- Acartonadooopo ( talk) 07:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
http://char.txa.cornell.edu/influences.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7TIO5AGUa4
Just FYI that page exists at Tulip mania! Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 14:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Horse Eye's Back Thanks for trying ;P But by the time I saw your valiant attempt to prevent that particular mental short-circuit from being immortalized, they already had a template up saying close in progress, don't touch. I was pretty sure they thought we were ALL idiots, and that this would not be the thread to try to explain to admins who don't know me that I had been trying to remember the phrase "feeding frenzy" and wound up typng the word "frenzy" three times in one sentence. LOL. I really really do appreciate the effort though. Feel free to try to stop me from doing dumb stuff whenever you think this might be the case. I may wind up disagreeing with you, but I will always at least listen and appreciate the thought. Lol. And kudos for even recognizing that term out of context, actually. I am quietly impressed ~~
Hi @ Elinruby: Can you fix the talk page. That latest cot/cob you put in has disapeared the checkpoint section. scope_creep Talk 12:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
I didn't do it, just got overwritten twice in a row. I haven't collapsed anything. Let me look at history. Was wondering if you are looking for something to do? Elinruby ( talk) 12:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
I just got 13 notifications lol. If not I do not know. If not I don't know. Going to go turn it off. Meanwhile If you *are* wondering what needs doing maybe check the manufacturing section, I am not certain I finished it. 13:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC) rn
Hi @ Elinruby: I noticed the WP:NPP sprint is starting in May, which I intend to take part in, so i've only got a couple of weeks on Regency of Algiers before I bail out. I do plan to work on a couple of my own articles I'm developing so it won't be the full two weeks. I intend to spend the full month on the NPP sprint, so i'll only be showing face occasionally. I've finished reviewing up to architecture, which is fine section. I want to try to get those section I've checked, reviwed. I'm hoping they have been updated. Lastly, remember to sign your comments!!! scope_creep Talk 18:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)