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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Sean C. Ewing

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Local politician who does not pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 23:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

James Dodson (producer)

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Fails WP:BASIC; I found little to no coverage about Dodson. The Film Creator ( talk) 22:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was Soft Deletion. As power~enwiki doesn't specifically register opposition to this article's deletion but is hardly a ringing endorser of it, I think the best option in these circumstances is to treat it as if it were a regular non-participating AfD nom.

As with any soft deletion, this can be recreated on request either to me or WP:REFUND. Nosebagbear ( talk) 00:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Hamad bin Khalifa Al Nahyan

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I am submitting this for discussion again, since the time has passed, the sale did not happen and the whole story now looks like one big scam. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 19:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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What, exactly, is a scam here? Are you saying that his claiming to be a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal Family is fraudulent? Or is some business deal he was involved in engaging in fraud? User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 20:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Exactly. Read the news sources, mentioned in the article. There is no ANY mention of him as part of Abu Dhabi Royal Family beside the articles about Beitar deal, which was canceled due to his "wealth" not being a real wealth. He is not mentioned in any source in Arabic or English, which is a very suspicious, taking account that members of a Royal Family are always in spotlight. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 19:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JBW ( talk) 19:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

The Dear Abbeys

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I am unable to find evidence in reliable, independent sources that covers this group. I might have merged this to Boston_University#Student_life, but this type of content doesn't really appear there, and I'm not sure it would be DUE. Star Mississippi 20:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Most sources either primary or linked to their university, not demonstrating reliable, independent coverage Dexxtrall ( talk) 11:14, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: I don't see any compelling claim of notability. Sources are all primary/linked or run of the mill. Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 18:17, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I wasn't going to add an additional !vote, but Daniel's relist appears to be indicating that David's (!)vote is discounted, whereas to me it seems a clunky "per X" !vote, which is generally permitted. Atlantic's source definitely is suitable, but it is also the only one I could find - were there another, I'd flip my !vote to Keep. As it is, I don't believe notability is shown. Nosebagbear ( talk) 00:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel ( talk) 21:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Gatlin Green

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Fails WP:NACTOR; she's only had one significant role as Emily Duval in Heroes Reborn (miniseries). The Film Creator ( talk) 22:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to America's Got Talent (season 9). Treat this as a 'soft'-redirect (similar to WP:SOFTDELETE), in that the redirect can be contested (and therefore renominated at AfD), if desired. Daniel ( talk) 21:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Quintavious Johnson

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Article fails WP:BIO in regards to notability per WP:ENT GUtt01 ( talk) 14:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep as he received plenty of reliable sources coverage in 2014 as cited in the article and has recently receieved some more as he takes part in an America's Got Talent stage show, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 02:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus verging on keep, sources below are noted but were never scruitinised, so closing as NCS to allow for a future renomination if the sourcing doesn't check out as WP:RS. Daniel ( talk) 21:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Jblessing

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Does not meet WP:NOTE, clearly self-promotional and has deleted tags added by other users. Ari T. Benchaim ( talk) 19:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 21:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Yeison Asencio

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Non-notable minor-league baseball player; fails WP:GNG

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

List of highest I.Q. scores ever recorded

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This list can't work. The consensus of RS has no agreed-upon way to exactly "measure" the IQ of anyone. This becomes even harder when including children and historical geniuses. Many reported high scores are from unscientific IQ tests, as opposed to ones in common use by trained psychologists. The single source used here is unreliable and unscientific, and does not even cite where its IQ scores come from. It is yet another sensationalist or clickbait article on the Internet. If we continue to expand this list with similar sources, it will become a list of mere rumors, which would violate both WP:SOAPBOX and WP:INDISCRIMINATE.

Because of the variety of outlandish IQ claims, I am doubtful that even a list of claimed IQ scores can work. It is difficult to reliably verify an IQ test score, unlike height (which is objectively measurable and can be reliably reported, c.f. List of tallest people). I therefore propose deleting this article entirely. Wikinights ( talk) 21:33, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Not a viable list topic per nom, plus plenty of redlinks and WP:BLP violations. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 21:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Yikes, I don't even want to click on the link to see the article. Not a suitable list topic for Wikipedia. Excellent nomination, Wikinights. Gildir ( talk) 21:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, no chance of it ever containing reliable data, let alone comprehensive data. Might as well have a list of claimed sizes of fish caught by amateur anglers. Elemimele ( talk) 22:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: This has to be the most odd list I have seen, and relying on a single source, I don't see how it gets any notability whatsoever. As per above, list of claimed sizes of fish caught by amateur anglers might be a more interesting list. Delete. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 23:20, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:DELREASON#6: Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes. It's not possible to attribute an IQ score of 200 to reliable sources, because any source reporting an IQ score of 200 is simply not reliable for that assertion. It's impossible to calibrate a test that can accurately produce that result, because of the way the mathematics of IQ scores work—your score is determined by how large a proportion of the population you perform better than, and outperforming every single person on Earth would still only give you an IQ of (roughly) 195 (or equivalently, a Z-score of roughly +6⅓). An IQ of 200 means a Z-score of +6⅔, or 1 in roughly 76 billion ( thanks, WolframAlpha) – roughly an order of magnitude more than the current world population. TompaDompa ( talk) 23:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    You have just demonstrated there why I think that a foundation in statistics is a life skill that everyone should learn. Many claims by politicians or the press can easily be dismissed with such knowledge. Phil Bridger ( talk) 09:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The fraught history of intelligence testing altogether makes this a 'no-go' type of article which cannot be reliably sourced in any manner. Nate ( chatter) 02:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as not a viable list topic. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 21:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete the IQ claims are a mix of unsourced, untrustworthy, and after-death estimates; I don't consider the Reader's Digest listicle credible at all. Testing IQ is hard, and testing >150IQ is even harder; there's simply not the extant data to make a useful list of this form. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:20, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Kalash Ambers

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Subject fails WP:NMUSIC, sources are just are primary and don’t meet WP: GNG. A search doesn’t provide anything either. Xclusivzik ( talk) 21:13, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Paolo Genovese , with no prejudice to recreation if/when GNG is met. Daniel ( talk) 21:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

The First Day of My Life

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it is WP:TOOSOON for this topic to have a mainspace article, the topic only has one article that constitutes significant coverage, the others are a database listing and a passing mention, this should be in draft space until it meets WP:GNG BOVINEBOY 2008 18:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus verging on keep. Daniel ( talk) 21:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Dominique Palmer

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Not every 21-year-old “climate justice activist” belongs in an encyclopedia. Until there’s in-depth coverage, until there’s more than press releases from Greenpeace and screenshots from the subject’s Instagram profile, the case for inclusion isn’t convincing. - Biruitorul Talk 13:31, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - was deprodded with the rationale that it had already been prodded once, which is incorrect. It had been speedied, not prodded. Not enough in-depth coverage from reliable, independent sources to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 16:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Guerreros Atlixco

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Seems like it should be notable, but I can't find anything like WP:SIGCOV or even much in the way of WP:V. PepperBeast (talk) 17:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Yukti Thareja

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Non-notable Indian film actress, Only known for one song. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR DMySon ( talk) 17:34, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Vadim Zubavlenko

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Article about former footballer (hasn't been with a club since last September) who made a single appearance for a club in the Russian FNL. Although that single appearance creates a presumption of notability under WP:NFOOTBALL, it is invalid because the article comprehensively fails WP:GNG based on a search of online English- and Russian-language sources. The article was previously sent to AfD where it was kept on the (erroneous) view that his career had not ended and he might make further appearances in a fully-pro league. It's obvious now that his professional footballing career is over. Jogurney ( talk) 17:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Passing WP:NFOOTBALL is irrelevant as WP:NSPORT clearly states that it does not supersede GNG and that all athletes must pass GNG, regardless of whether they pass a sports-specific notability guideline.

Q2: If a sports figure meets the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean he/she does not have to meet the general notability guideline?
A2: No, the article must still eventually provide sources indicating that the subject meets the general notability guideline. Although the criteria for a given sport should be chosen to be a very reliable predictor of the availability of appropriate secondary coverage from reliable sources, there can be exceptions. For contemporary persons, given a reasonable amount of time to locate appropriate sources, the general notability guideline should be met in order for an article to meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. (For subjects in the past where it is more difficult to locate sources, it may be necessary to evaluate the subject's likely notability based on other persons of the same time period with similar characteristics.)

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

H.Mujeeb Rahman

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Looks like an advertisement. Lack of in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of them. fails WP:GNG DMySon ( talk) 17:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete all. Daniel ( talk) 21:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

TamilNadu State Transport Corporation - Kumbakonam

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We have an article at Tamil Nadu State Transport Corporation which isn’t currently amazingly well sourced but the topic is notable. What isn’t clearly notable are all the local units of the agency. There is a brace of articles lacking any sourcing in RIS and I haven’t been able to find anything in English to suggest notability. There may be sources in Tamil I can’t identify or assess. I’m nominating them all as a bundle and believe that in each case a redirect to the main corporation is probably the best outcome. Mccapra ( talk) 17:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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I am also nominating the following related pages

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

The Pike & Shot Society

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PROD contested; searches indicate no notability. As in I can hardly find any coverage Eddie891 Talk Work 16:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The Society is fifty years old and has a high reputation with its journal and contents frequently cited in academic journals and published works. The Society's publications afre considered unique in presenting otherwise unavailable information that we can publish because we do not need to consider whether a publication is profitable. Not sure how we can demonstrate "notability" except, if required, a list of works where the Society's publications and journal have been quoted.

Your use of the term 'we' suggests you have a conflict of interest here. Wikipedia strongly discourages editing pages where a conflict of interest exists. You must WP:DISCLOSE any conflict of interest Dexxtrall ( talk) 10:20, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete -- Looking through the Society's website, I see little to give me confidence that this is a serious academic society. It is typical of articles on societies that the main source is their own website. That is not an independent source but is likely in fact to be reliable. Peterkingiron ( talk) 21:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 00:57, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Santiago Chávez

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Non-notable minor-league baseball player; fails WP:Notability. User created this article prematurely after Chávez was named to Mexico's preliminary Olympic roster, but he was not selected to the final 24-man team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pozzi.c ( talkcontribs) 13:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. King of ♥ 05:01, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Essentially unsourced, and tagged as such for 3 years. Much of this is WP:OR, and some is sourced to The Free Dictionary which is WP:UGC. This is one of those articles that was probably acceptable when it was created back in 2007 with the edit comment "might make a good article one day if history gets added", but totally fails our modern concept of WP:N.

I made some attempt to find good sources, but to be honest, "fly" doesn't make a very good search term. Somebody who's more familiar with the garment industry literature might be able to find something, but until then, this isn't an encyclopedic article. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:33, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • I'm in favour of keep because the concept is quite a notable one, very nearly in the same league as Pocket (and people have written whole PhD theses on them). The main problem with the article is lack of referencing, but it's not obviously factually wrong. And as the nominator correctly said: "Fly" is a horrible search-term. But we can't go round deleting articles because the name of a thing happens to be ambiguous. A google search for "history of the fly in trousers" produces a lot of hits, but predictably a lot are blogs, so they're probably not reliable secondary source. But the fact they exist suggests that a lot of people consider the topic worth writing about, and somewhere in humanity, someone knows something about it. As the nominator said, this article really needs attention from someone familiar with the clothing industry. Elemimele ( talk) 22:22, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Let's remember that there are other languages than English. We can look for sources in German, French, Spanish, Russian and so on. A quick look at the corresponding Wikipedia articles in other languages reveals that sources (such as this one) do indeed exist. I don't think the notability is seriously in question here. TompaDompa ( talk) 22:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This is a well-known everyday item, I definitely think this is notable. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 13:34, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep , with no consensus to rename. Further renames should be considered using the WP:RM process. Daniel ( talk) 21:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Shalu Nigam

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not notable and fails GNG Iamfarzan ( talk) 14:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: I fail to see how a high court decision that has impact for single parents all over India is not notable, particularly wherein in provides a path for a child to obtain a passport without the name of a father. The high court notes single parents were on increase due to various reasons “like unwed mothers, sex workers, surrogate mothers, rape survivors, children abandoned by father and also children born through IVF. This sort of decision is going to occur in many other sovereign jurisdictions. This decision *does* have consequences for women and mothers in India, and hence, notability. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 14:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • This judgment made a vital impact on the issue of the name and identity of single mothers and their kids in India. The Ministry changed its policy within a few months subsequent to this decision. The judge very clearly established that the passport authorities cannot force single mothers to obtain the consent of their father before applying for the passport of their kids. Other legal Scholars have been writing about this decision by the Delhi High court and how it has made a significant impact on the situation of single mothers [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.69.43.74 ( talkcontribs) 15:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep the content regarding the case, it meets WP:GNG. But maybe the article name should be changed to reference the case rather than the person, as she is not notable independently of the case? LizardJr8 ( talk) 15:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • As I have created this page so I am giving reasons to KEEP this page AS IT IS and why I created this

1. The judgment made an important impact considering the situation in India about single mothers. It has been referred to in other cases too later and as also discussed above, scholars are writing about this case.

2. The person who filed this petition as a lawyer and as a single mother fought her own case herself therefore the person becomes notable.

3. The person as a lawyer, researcher, and activist is working on gender and human rights issues and has other significant publications in her name. Some of her recent work is quoted in the article itself in the references list

4. Some of her work is important in terms of feminist research and has added a new dimension to feminist thinking in India. For instance, her work on domestic violence law in India from 2005 to a recent one in 2020 - a continuous series of books, articles, and papers on the issue of domestic violence law in India brings in a different dimension.

5. Most of the other work of the author not listed here such as her co-authored book published in 2016 on The Founding Mother: 15 women architects of the Indian Constitution is much applauded locally in India

6. The author has been awarded a senior fellowship by the Indian council of social science research and has been actively contributing to the field of women's studies at the global level. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Changetheworld ( talkcontribs) 16:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

References

I have added this para if this meets the notability requirements. Any other suggestions or comments are welcomed.

Her Other Notable Achievements

Over the years, she has been working consistently in the field of domestic violence laws in India and made some specific contributions in the field from the feminist perspective since 2005[26] [27] till present [28] [29]

More specifically, her contribution in the field of domestic violence law has been acknowledged with the emergence of coronavirus in 2020 and its impact on women [30] [31] [32] [33]

Her activism extends beyond the field of human rights too. <refhttps://www.firstpost.com/india/kathua-rape-and-murder-case-live-updates-pdp-to-meet-today-to-decide-future-course-of-action-after-two-bjp-ministers-quit-4431283.html></ref> [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]

She has served as a visiting faculty at the Center for Women's Development Studies as she recieved senior fellowship by the Indian Council of Social Science Research, 2013-15 [41] Also, based on her contribution in the field of dowry and domestic violence, she was invited for a conference on dowry in 2019 at Sydney, Australia organized by UNSW and ACHRH [42]


Thanks a Lot for editing this page. It's a huge learning experience for me. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Changetheworld ( talkcontribs) 15:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Comment Cheers, Dr Changetheworld, and it will take some time to review, sort, and incorporate the links, but my hope is that revisions to the article will also be helpful for this discussion. Beccaynr ( talk) 16:19, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep agree per all above. VocalIndia ( talk) 16:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment per WP:HEY, the article has been substantially revised, and I think it is now more clear why a standalone article for Nigam, with her case incorporated into it, is warranted. As an initial matter, it is a very fact-driven case, so her biographical details are a core part of the case and covered by multiple independent and reliable sources. She is also both the petitioner and the lawyer who made the arguments that were covered by multiple independent and reliable sources. The case also did not happen in a vacuum, because it is part of a developing body of caselaw (e.g. Mandel, 2019, Socio-Legal Rev. 15 (131): 147–149), and while I have not been able to access the specific pages that discuss her in Mutinies for Equality: Contemporary Developments in Law and Gender in India (2021), the publisher blurb indicates the book is focused on "protagonists who shape the debate around law and gender and locate their efforts into a socio-political context", which seems like further support for her notability as a contributor to the development of women's legal rights in India. WP:BLP1E appears to be a relevant consideration for whether a standalone article for her is warranted, and it appears to not apply due to #3, her substantial role in this event, and #2, not remaining a low-profile individual after the event. For example, she was one of the experts cited by The News Minute in 2017 for her writing on Battered Woman Syndrome, and she has engaged in high-profile activist activity, as noted in links in my comment above. In addition, on GScholar, I had to go 10 pages in to get past her scholarly output, but she also appears to gain regular notice from her peers for her academic work, and the article currently does not fully reflect this nor additional information about her career that could be researched and confirmed based on her Routledge author profile. A redirect could be created for the name of the case to her article, for if and when the case is discussed elsewhere on Wikipedia, which would offer the additional context about her that is available from a wide variety of sources that have been and could still be incorporated into the article. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:24, 25 July 2021 (UTC) Also, the Find link tool indicates an article in her name will not be an orphan due to the WP:MANYLINKS that can already be created. Beccaynr ( talk) 23:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was draftify. Daniel ( talk) 21:07, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable future film, no evidence has been provided that filming has begun, all sources are dated before the scheduled shooting dates, per WP:NFF this should not be in mainspace yet, there is already a working draft BOVINEBOY 2008 14:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was A7 Speedy deleted by Jimfbleak. (non-admin closure) Jumpytoo Talk 20:10, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Lack of notability. I'd simply redirect it to the (poor) article on the place, but there's no mention of this podcast TheLongTone ( talk) 14:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. plicit 14:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Résumé-like WP:BLP of a film editor, not properly sourced as meeting our inclusion standards. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they have jobs -- the notability test hinges on evidence of distinction, such as notable film or television editing awards or the reception of enough reliable source coverage about him and his work in the media to clear WP:GNG. But the only notability claim being made here is that he has had editing credits, and the only "source" present is his IMDb page, neither of which are sufficient in and of themselves. Bearcat ( talk) 13:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. plicit 14:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non notable future film, appears to fail WP:NFF as production doesn't appear to be notable. Delete or move to draft until release.

Previously deleted for failing WP:NFF in May 2021, nothing has changed. DonaldD23 talk to me 13:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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I can only really find passing mentions and brief transfer announcements relating to him, so I'm not seeing a WP:GNG pass yet. His appearances to date are in the 3rd tier of Spain and 3rd tier of Romania (also no sources support any Romanian appearances) so WP:NFOOTBALL doesn't seem to be met. Currently on the books of a 2nd tier Romanian team so it's not even one of those cases where he's near enough guaranteed to be notable any time soon. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Arguments presenting sources that meet GNG have not been refuted. Online sources can certainly be independent, in-depth, and reliable. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Fails WP:GNG GermanKity ( talk) 10:35, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - I'm confused by the comment above listing sources then saying clearly not notable... Is there any further explanation? Is there a suggestion that an online source is unacceptable? Anyway, those are the same sources that Yeeno discussed (minus the YouTube link) where a brief explanation on each was given. The first source from The Face may be an interview, but it is still independent as the author provides a good introduction to the subject before even getting to the interview. That plus Affinity is enough to satisfy multiple sources to meet GNG. - 2pou ( talk) 17:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 00:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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BLP of an activist who does not seem to me to have a clear claim of notability - none of his activities look distinctive enough to get him over the bar. He might be a GNG pass but the sources here mostly look local, or of uncertain reliability, and quite a bit just looks like PR. He seems very able to generate publicity but what that amounts to for our purposes is less clear. Mccapra ( talk) 12:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) 4meter4 ( talk) 01:37, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Unreferenced article since its creation in 2010. For reviewers, the publications listed in the article are works written by the subject, and not sources. A WP:BEFORE search yielded nothing. I couldn't find any reviews on his works, an obituary, or any sources with significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NAUTHOR. 4meter4 ( talk) 13:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keepHere's an obituary from The Guardian, opining that he "opened up a forum for transport policy in the sixties and seventies by creating a new style of railway journalism". That would seem to correspond fairly well with WP:NJOURNALIST, which requires that a journalist be "known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique." Searching is difficult here, mainly because he is referred to by a large number of names. But the NJOURNALIST pass is, in my view, sufficient to sustain an inference of notability. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 14:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The relevant guideline here is WP:NCORP. In my searches, I was unable to locate any coverage from reliable, independent sources that meet the requirements of WP:CORPDEPTH and there are no valid references presented in the article itself. The best that I could find was Kev's Best but this is an article on the founder and doesn't have any focus on the company.

As a record label, this doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC as it's not one of the more important indie record labels. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Noting that the previously PROD'd article under this title was a different subject. plicit 14:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of a politician notable only for holding local political offices, not adequately referenced as passing WP:NPOL #2. The offices he has held are mayor of a small town and district administrator of a landkreis (the German equivalent of a county), neither of which are "inherently" notable offices that automatically guarantee inclusion in Wikipedia per se -- at this level of significance, the notability test is not the ability to minimally verify that the person exists, but the ability to write and source a substantive article about his political significance: specific things he did, specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects he had on the development of the town or the county, and on and so forth. But there are just three sources here, two of which just verify the start and end of his county-level role with no evidence of any ongoing coverage while he was in office, and the third is just a very short blurb announcing his domestic partner registration. And, in fact, the article is so poorly maintained that it still describes him as the incumbent landrat of Regen even though he stepped down in 2017 and has not reassumed the office since. This just isn't enough coverage to make a person permanently and internationally notable for holding local office. Bearcat ( talk) 12:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was nomination withdrawn as there's already an open AFD discussion on him, which I missed because the creator had removed the AFD template from the article before I found it. Bearcat ( talk) 12:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician, not reliably sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. As always, musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because their own music metaverifies its own existence on a streaming platform -- the notability test requires certain specific quantifiable achievements, independently verified by a certain specific calibre of reliable source coverage in real media. But this is referenced entirely to primary sources that are not support for notability at all -- Spotify streams, IMDb, the self-published websites of people or organizations that he's been directly affiliated with, the subject's own social media feed -- and claims nothing about him that would be "inherently" notable enough to exempt the referencing from having to be much, much better than this. Bearcat ( talk) 12:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Delete. G5 by GeneralNotability. (non-admin closure) User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The preferred locations Zeshan Khan and Zeshan Khan (actor) are both salted hence why this has been posted under an incorrect title. I can't evidence of any notable roles so WP:NACTOR appears to be failed. I also can't find any evidence towards WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG.

We may wish to consider WP:SALT here as well if consensus determines him to be non-notable. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:40, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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WP:N states that the subject must meet either WP:GNG or a subject-specific guideline, in this case WP:NACTOR or WP:NMUSICIAN. Please can you show sources proving that he meets at least one of these guidelines? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep per WP:CSK #1, which applies when the nominator "fails to advance any argument for deletion or redirection—perhaps only proposing an alternative action such as moving or merging". If the proposed merger is uncontroversial, the nominator may carry it out himself; if it's controversial, it can be listed at WP:PAM. But AfD is for discussing deletion, not for other matters. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Merge proposal. The information in this stub is better put to use in the parent article, where it is missing. Please do not make notability arguments below. There is no problem with the notability of JOVD. Just with our organization of the information. gidonb ( talk) 09:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 11:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Lacking Notability, also see 1. at WP:NOT. Please note that I have a COI as I was asked whether a deletion would be possible by Christa Gelpke's descendants. I strongly believe, though, that she is not notable as there is no broad media coverage about her and the other notability criteria for persons are also not met. Best, Conandcon ( talk) 09:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak Delete - there are sources, that much is clear, but they aren't great. Mostly passing mentions in articles about properties owned by her family, the mention in Forbes (which is accurate but routine and not particularly deep (and is mostly about her living relatives)), and some German-language sources which seem to also be passing mentions. Ultimately, notability is not inherited, even if her wealth was. Appreciate Conandcon's COI declaration but I feel this nomination would be just as valid from anyone else. I made some minor edits to the article for BLP compliance purposes but couldn't find anything of substance to add. Stlwart 111 12:21, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Gelpke's probably not notable and any slight notability that may exist probably doesn't outweigh her descendants' wish for deletion. Furius ( talk) 02:50, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy Keep per WP:CSK point 1 and WP:EARLY; nominator believes best process forward is to WP:CLEANUP with WP:REF as the article now appears to pass WP:GNG in light of new references. ( non-admin closure) Mxtt.prior ( talk) 08:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply

JDK Flight Recorder

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Likely fails WP:GNG. Specifically fails WP:ORGCRIT as there does not appear to be 'significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.' Beyond manuals or how-to guides for the product (which currently make up the only references on the page), brief research suggests there does not appear to be notable independent source coverage of the product. Mxtt.prior ( talk) 08:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep – there are multiple articles that I think make the flight recorder notable: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]K4rolB ( talk) 08:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Agreed. Also, it is supported by plenty of companies, including Oracle, SAP, Red Hat, Datadog and others. Also, the sibling project OpenJDK JMC, which is used to visualize the recordings, is released by multiple vendors for example:
  • Eclipse Mission Control | Adoptium
  • Azul Mission Control - Azul | Better Java Performance, Superior Java Support
  • Oracle JDK Mission Control (JMC) (java.net)
  • Liberica Mission Control | BellSoft Java (bell-sw.com)
What can I do to conclude this? Mhirt ( talk) 20:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply
It's an open source project, under OpenJDK ( https://github.com/openjdk). Mhirt ( talk) 10:58, 28 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Is there anything else I need to do to conclude this discussion? Mhirt ( talk) 20:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 14:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:JOURNALIST and WP:GNG. TheBirdsShedTears ( talk) 07:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 02:33, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to meet any notability guideline. Nowhere near WP:GNG. Hitro talk 06:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. plicit 14:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Excel Christian School

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I did my due diligence regarding research and this school, but, I cannot figure out how it passes WP:GNG (let alone WP:ORG). Yes, there were some brief mentions about one event with a lawsuit, but, that doesn't even qualify under Wikipedia:Notability (events).

All the other sourcing I found were passing mentions about alumni (usually football players).

I'll gladly withdraw if we can prove notability here, but, at this time I believe Excel Christian School fails to meet our notability guidelines for inclusion in Wikipedia. Missvain ( talk) 05:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. Missvain you are right, it looks like this article underwent massive deletions and WP:REVDEL for copyvio, leaving a skeleton that doesn't qualify for GNG. I did find 5 articles on newspapers.com and listed them at the bottom of the article's talk page. Those should help qualify the subject under WP:EXIST WP:NEXIST to meet GNG, as long as the school is not-for-profit, which I think most religious schools are. because I just noticed the claim that it is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, so not required to qualify for NORG under WP:NSCHOOL. There is also statistical info on the NCES site that won't help the GNG argument, but which is useful to fill out somme infobox data. There were probably 5 more articles about the lawsuit involving international student athletes, already well-covered in the existing remains. There was also one on a special class offered at the school on forensic science which was probably a one-off, not a feature of the school's curricular approach. I apologize I haven't time this week to read and summarize and try for WP:HEY, but IRL I have grandkids arriving and need to batten down some hatches. I'll check back later this week if I have time. Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 11:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Comment: I added 7 sources that meet GNG requirements, and added other sources that are not in depth but do verify othr data mentioned in the article. Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 22:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus that there's a dearth of any reliable secondary sources that can be located. Nosebagbear ( talk) 01:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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After a search for sources, the only ones that come up seem to be the lab's own website and passing mentions in the "authors' institutions" sections of publications. Lack of external coverage in multiple reliable, independent secondary sources means that the group does not meet WP:GNG. DanCherek ( talk) 16:31, 1 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was transwiki to Wikisource. Those arguing to keep have failed to demonstrate that this topic meets WP:NLIST. King of ♥ 05:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

List of UK Admiralty Charts, 1967

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This is a tough one. A list of admiralty charts may well be a good subject for an article, and a lot of work has gone into this one. However, there is nothing special about the 1967 situation, catalogues were produced each year it seems and the choice for the 1967 one is completely random. Simply moving this to List of UK Admiralty Charts would be wrong though, as it is a very outdated snapshot only. While this is at AfD, perhaps draftifying would be the best solution, and there let people turn it into a general list instead of this specific one? No idea if someone would be interested in this work, but simply keeping it in the mainspace as is, isn't a good idea either. Fram ( talk) 09:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply

(This comment added later): to be clear, the reason for deletion is a total lack of notability for the 1967 list of charts specifically. The remainder of my comments above were thoughts on how the work that went into this one could somehow be reused to create an article that is acceptable, but I should have explicitly stated my initial deletion argument. Fram ( talk) 10:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Speedy Keep per WP:NOTCLEANUP. This is obviously a spinoff or appendix to Admiralty chart. It seems to be the only year detailed but this makes it a good example of what would be produced in such a year in the pre-Internet era. Examples are appropriate and helpful in understanding the topic and so quite valid. Deletion would be disruptive and the nomination doesn't even seem to be suggesting this – just musing about various approaches to development. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • No, I suggest deletion, but some of it may be reused in another article if someone is up to the task, so userfication/draftification may be a good solution as well. We don't do "example" articles, and this list doesn't even show what was produced that year, just what they still had in stock. No idea what the relevance is of "such a year in the pre-internet era", or why this 300K "example" would help anyone understand the topic any better than perhaps stating how many different charts were produced and how many are still available, with some examples (or else with a full list of all produced charts, not what was available in a random year). Fram ( talk) 09:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • Yes, we use examples all the time as these are helpful in explaining unfamiliar topics such as this. They may take the form of separate pages, especially if they are images, and that's just a technical detail of implementation, not some fundamental issue or problem. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:17, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
        • Some examples of what you mean? I'm not really familiar with what you claim here. Separate pages of random examples with no notability on their own, but which are kept because they are examples? No, doesn't seem that common at all. Fram ( talk) 10:20, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
          • Well I am familiar with this, having worked on topics such as Arthur Beale and Stanfords where they sold such charts. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
            • I guess any competent admin who closes this discussion will then dismiss your !vote as utterly unsupported. Your choice. Fram ( talk) 10:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
              • Fram's incessant badgering demonstrates that this is best closed speedily per WP:BLUDGEON. And now it seems that they are moving the goalposts. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
                • Incessant badgering? You claimed that we have plenty of examples of such articles, but when asked to provide some, you started about your personal experience of shops selling these charts. If you don't want your arguments to be scrutinized and criticised, then make sure that they are correct and well-supported (and visibly so for others), and improve them were needed. E.g. when Thincat rightly argues that my opening statement didn't contain any claims about notability, I acknowledged this and corrected that oversight. That's hardly "moving the goalposts" but what these discussions are actually for. If you want to make ivory towers declarations which are infallible and may not be questioned, then make them on your talk page but don't try this in deletion discussions. But feel free to raise this AfD at WP:ANI and request this to be speedy deleted per WP:BLUDGEON, we'll see how it goes. Fram ( talk) 11:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and for me the decision doesn't seem tough at all. We need to start somewhere - presumably one article about a particular Olympic Games appeared before any of the others. We don't, and shouldn't, delete articles merely because Wikipedia is incomplete. How can moving to draft possibly help? The state of the article is perfectly clear and no one will be misled. Thincat ( talk) 10:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • But that one particular Olympic Game was obviously notable. How is the list of which charts were available in 1967 a notable subject? Has this year in particular received significant attention? Per your reasoning, you would be happy if people started making the same list for all other years as well (which would then nicely invalidate the above speedy keep of course). The reason for deletion is not "because Wikipedia is incomplete", that is a nice strawman. The reason for deletion is because the 1967 catalogue is not a notable subject at all. The only reason I raised draftification and so on was because some of the contents of this non-notable sbject article could perhaps be reused by someone else to create an article on a notable subject. Apparently I shouldn't have tried to be accommodating and thinking about this, and should simply have advocated straight-forward Delete, fails WP:N instead. Fram ( talk) 10:17, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • The idea that the topic isn't notable wasn't raised at all in your nomination. I thought you were finding a problem of principle in this sort of article. Thincat ( talk) 10:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
        • You're right, I should have added that at the start. I'll do this now (but will note that I added it) so other commenters aren't confused. It was the basis for my nomination, but what I wrote down were my further thoughts on the issue only. Fram ( talk) 10:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply

As the one who put in the work to tabulate this, I obviously wish to see it kept. Yes, it's a snapsot, but of a pretty slow-moving scene. As you can see from the edition dates these charts remained in use for decades. A listing of this sort every 20 years or so would come close to giving comprehensive coverage. The choice of 1967 is not exactly random. It is the only global catalogue since 1914 that is available on the internet, and the 1914 one: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/332262/UKHO-1914-Archives-Catalogue.pdf is of too poor quality for OCR. If more become available I will be happy to tabluate them! Until then, the listing is, I agree, not comprehensive. As others have pointed out, citing WP:NOTCLEANUP that is not in itself a sufficient reason for deletion. Also citing NOTCLEANUP, "Remember that there is no deadline". I suggest the question might be "is it useful?" For me, as one interested in all things nautical, it certainly is (and will continue to be so even if no longer on WP). I suspect there are others like me who find this valuable. Why should they be deprived of it? No-one has suggested that the information is not reliable or properly sourced. As for notability, I'd written most of this before seeing the last posts. It's a bit difficult to make a case when the ground seems to be shifting... But if the topic of Admiralty Charts is notable, it's difficult to see how an index that helps people to find the chart they are looking for is not notable. Kognos ( talk) 12:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply

It's not a simple replication. What makes it useful (to me) is the fact that the list is sorted by chart number. Kognos ( talk) 15:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • move to Wikisource I agree that there is some value here, but nonetheless it is a transcription of a primary source. The admiralty offers on their website an almost identical listing of the current charts in the form of a spreadsheet. This is exactly the sort of thing that Wikisource was intended to hold, and it's way outside our purview as an encyclopedia and not a collection of primary texts. Mangoe ( talk) 01:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Transwiki to Wikisource. Why the hell would we simply delete something of this quality that took so much work to make? As has been pointed out, this is a significant year for the charts, and being sorted by chart number; sad to imagine it being washed away for essentially no good reason. jp× g 04:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep: This is a very valuable source of information and is exactly what Wikipedia is for. Also WP:NOTCLEANUP per others. Dr. Universe ( talk) 20:42, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, if a list of all charts is to be considered notable, this snippet of that list ought to be considered notable too. It appears Kognos is keen to work on this subject area more, so coverage will improve over time if this is kept. I would also support a move to Wikisource if the only alternative being considered is deletion. NemesisAT ( talk) 20:50, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply

You'll not be surprised that I would prefer a move to Wikisource to complete deletion, nor that I would prefer to keep this as a WP article. The article was reviewed back in February, so at least one reviewer found it notable. What now? This is the first time I've been in this kind of discussion. Are we now waiting for an Adminstror to adjudicate? Kognos ( talk) 22:55, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 06:20, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The notability of the overall topic is not in question, and in Kognos we have an editor who is likely to expand our coverage in this area. I think the claim that there is no particular notability for the 1967 charts fails for two reasons: (1) we have to start somewhere, and there's no reason to disparage 1967 as a starting point, and (2) Kognos has actually provided us with a perfectly cogent reason why 1967's charts are good ones to start with. Sourcing strikes me as fine, and anyone interested in this area would find this index (and indices for other years) useful. RomanSpa ( talk) 08:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Neither of your two points addresses WP:N in any way though: 1967 is taken because it is available online, and "we have to start somewhere", are not indicators of notability at all, but of convenience only. This "index", this rewriting of primary source material, belongs, as has correctly been stated by others, at Wikisource, where it is welcome and would be just as useful as here (and where the same list for other years could also be added if people wanted this), but where it would actually be in scope of the project. Fram ( talk) 08:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      The notable subject is Admiralty chart. We could merge this content into that article, but it's easily too large to be suitable, so it should stay as a separate article. NemesisAT ( talk) 09:06, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • There are a few leaps in that reasoning. Even if this list was a lot smaller, it would be WP:UNDUE for the main article, as there is no reason there either to have a catalogue of what was available in 1967 (we e.g. don't make such lists for general publishers either: a list of new publications, by year, may be notable (depending on subject, sourcing, ...), but a list of everything still available in a certain year would never be accepted for any publisher. And as it wouldn't even be acceptable in the main article (for other reasons than size), it definitely isn't acceptable as a spin-off standalone article. Fram ( talk) 09:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
        • The relevance of the 1967 list goes way beyond the year 1967. An example: I'm in Morecambe right now, and can see a light flashing each 15 seconds. It's the Walney lighthouse, 14 miles to the west. The lighthouse is shown on chart No 2010, first published in 1873 (it's on Commons) which is on the 1967 list along with the 1963 edition. Chart 2010 of Morecambe Bay is still in print. So information on the 1967 list is relevant over a period of nearly 150 years. Admiralty charts are an important historical resource, and the list provides a useful index to that resource. Kognos ( talk) 21:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
          • Uh, that gives zero relevance to the 1967 list: it barely gives relevance to the charts in general (well, the charts are obviously notable, but the fact that a geographic feature is shown on a map or chart doesn't give that map any notability). Giving this example as a reason to have this 1967 catalogue on Wikipedia is not convincing at all. Fram ( talk) 07:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep We see that this discussion has not been speedily closed but has been relisted instead. And it will, of course, be kept in perpetuity as we never seem to delete such chuntering. Anyway, as we are invited to say more, let me register a !vote. The page should be kept because it passes WP:LISTN per sources such as An Abridged List of the Admiralty Charts; British Admiralty Charts; Sea Charts of the British Isles; The Admiralty Chart: British Naval Hydrography; The Charting of the Oceans; The Admiralty chart: Trends in content and design; 200 years of Admiralty charts and surveys; Changing the Admiralty Chart; &c. Applicable policies include: WP:ATD; WP:PRESERVE and, of course, WP:NOTPAPER! Andrew🐉( talk) 08:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Per WP:NOTAVOTE, these are not votes and that why they are conventionally called !votes. My original entry above was procedural in calling for speedy closure of the discussion. As that has not been done and fresh input has been called for instead, I am making a more substantive contribution while putting a bold summary for the general convenience of the discussion's readership. The issue of WP:BLUDGEON still seems relevant though. Andrew🐉( talk) 08:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Ridiculous. And wrong, of course, as usual. Andhighly ironical: your "notavote" says "polling is not a substitute for discussion.", but when people try to have a discussion adressing your arguments, you refuse this per "bludgeon". If it's not a vote and not a discussion, then it's just an Andrew-knows-better dictatorship I guess? Too bad that it doesn't seem to work, perhaps because your !votes are meaningless. You above try to use WP:LISTN as a reason to keep this, and then give a number of sources which don't address the list topic (the 1967 catalogue of the then available charts) at all. Fram ( talk) 09:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Weak delete- as above it's not clear why 1967 of all dates has been singled out in this way, and the whole concept of the list seems to fall afoul of WP:NOTDIR. Wikisource would be a better place for this data dump. Reyk YO! 12:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. If I understand this right, Kognos's critical point here is that the list is useful on the wiki because it can be sorted by chart number. Wikisource allows for this feature, so, if the consensus here is to delete, the content can simply be moved there. The closer might first want to provisionally userfy the article, in recognition of Kognos's work on it, and that it is not lost to him and others interested. Now, a transcription of another work without the required coverage in secondary sources is not encyclopedic, and it must be demonstrated that this article can develop further if it's to be kept. Moving to Wikisource may be the best course of action. Avilich ( talk) 14:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete this is INDISCRIMINATE. The concept of Admiralty charts is notable, but I see no argument that the full 4000-entry table of contents is wiki-notable. If the content is permitted by copyright to be on Wikisource, it can be there. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, as this concept overall is obviously notable, and we have to start somewhere. Jackattack1597 ( talk) 10:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 02:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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This article is an example of WP:NOTNEWS. The only source is from one CNN investigation; there's zero widespread coverage. –– FORMALDUDE( talk) 06:12, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. This is a blatant hoax, deleted per CSD G3 HighInBC Need help? Just ask. 06:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Krish Pathak

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A promotional spam article for a non notable actor. The creator is removing the CSD tag which I put two times without giving any reason at all. So I brought it here. The creator copied contents from Ranbir Kapoor and pasted it in this article [20]. Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 06:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. BD2412 T 02:06, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

R Shankar Raman

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BLP of a businessman who has had a successful career, but I don’t see anything that makes him notable. He’s had important jobs and won some awards that don’t seem notable the article appears to be a promotional profile. Mccapra ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Delete doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NPOV. –– FORMALDUDE( talk) 06:30, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Appears to meet WP:PROF and/or WP:NAUTHOR. King of ♥ 04:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Norman K. Risjord

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The discusison on whether the subject meets GNG/NPROF has been very long and held in at least two places ( Talk:Norman K. Risjord and Template:Did you know nominations/Norman K. Risjord), producing walls of text. As far as I can say, proponents of his notability point out to him receiving Fulbright Program (twice?) as arguments for meeting NPROF #2&5; there are also claims he meets NPROF #1&7 and even GNG. I don't find any of these convinng, sadly. Nobody has written even a biography paragraph about him (that's independent), there's no SIGCOV, Fulbright Program IMHO doesn't meet NPROF requirements for significant awards, and his citation count is average. Now, in all honesty, I think NPROF should be more inclusive, (since our guidelines for sportspeople, for example, seem to have much lower threshold, and tightening them is impossible due to number of fans they have) but until it is, I think borderline cases like this need to be discussed (particularly as this is being promoted as DYK). Since other venues have been exhausted and discussion stalled at what I believe is no consensus, and recent comments at DYK suggested AfD is the final way to decide this, here we go. For the record, while I consider Risjord a respectable academic, I also feel he belongs to the group of "people doing their work" without, unfortunately, achieving notability (not all professors are notable). Hopefully in the near future he either receives some career-level awards OR some other scholar decies to write up a bio of him (hopefully, pre-obituary, not to sound morbid, but this is often when academics like this become notable, once their obits are published by their former students in peer reviewed works...). Pinging editors involved in this: @ Gwillhickers, Narutolovehinata5, The Four Deuces, TheVirginiaHistorian, and Randykitty: Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:58, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Agree with the nominator. There are insufficient sources to provide any useful information for a biography. What approach did he take to his subjects? Did his views change over time? Are his books still useful today, or have they been overtaken by new research? I notice that no books discuss his opinions, so they have no historical significance. TFD ( talk) 06:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Although I was the editor who suggested that the article be taken to AFD, I am inhibiting from !voting as admittedly I am not very well-versed in WP:NPROF. Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 06:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep He meets wp:AUTHOR #3. Several of his books have been reviewed by noted journals. Thriley ( talk) 07:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Thriley, Could you cite the best reviews of his work? By that, I don't mean positive, they can be critical, but the ones published in most reputable media? When citing them, can you also link them? Vast majority of English scholarship should be digitized so links should be possible to find (sadly, they are not included in his article, which hampers verification). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
INSERT.  Done Of course Risjord’s importance is only partially reflected in the notability displayed whenever he published a new book in his field of academic concentration.
--- His 1961 publication of 1812: Conservatives, War Hawks, and the Nation’s Honor was reviewed in the W&M Quarterly, and it also gave place for Risjord’s article of the same title: in the William and Mary Quarterly, Jan 1961 Vol 18, No 2. By W.C. Eccles, p. 95, and it also gave place for Risjord’s article of the same title, April 1961 Vol 12, No 1. By Norman K. Risjord
Subsequent works received even more notice at publication, as Risjord's prominence in the field grew.
- Builders of Annapolis:Enterprise and Politics (1969, reprinted in 1997 – a WP proof of notability) was reviewed in three (3) scholarly journals of WP notability: the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Winter 1999 Vol 107, No 1. By James D. Kornwolf, p. 99; in the William and Mary Quarterly, Oct 1998 Vol 55, No 4. By David J. Jordan, p. 627; in the Journal of Southern History, May 1999 Vol 65, No 2. By Elaine G. Breslaw, p. 382.
- Old Republicans: Southern Conservatism in the age of Jefferson (1965) was reviewed in ten (10): the William and Mary Quarterly, Jul 1966 Vol 23, No 3. by Marvin Meyers, p. 487; reviewed in the Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, May 1966 Vol 365, No 4. by J. Leonard Bates, p. 208; in the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Apr 1966 Vol 74, No 2. by Harry Ammon, p. 222; in the Journal of Southern History, Feb 1966 Vol 32, No 1. by Paul Goodman, p. 99; in the Indiana Magazine of History, Sep 1966 Vol 62, No 3. by Norman S. Cohen, p. 265; in the American Historical Review, Apr 1966 Vol 71, No 3. by Noble E. Cunningham, Jr., p. 1062; in the North Carolina Historical Review, Apr 1966 Vol 43, No 2. by Daniel M. McFarland, p. 1062; in the Catholic Historical Review, Oct 1968 Vol 54, No 3. By Sister Laurita Gibson, p. 533; in the Southwest Social Science Quarterly, Sep 1966 Vol 47, No 2. by Don Higginbotham, p. 207; in the Southwest Social Science Quarterly, Sep 1966 Vol 47, No 2. by Bertil L. Hanson, p. 210; in the History, 1967 Vol 52, No 175. by Geoffrey Seed, p. 247; in the English Historical Review, Jan 1968 Vol 83, No 326. by J.R. Pole, p. 201; in The Historian, Aug 1966 Vol 28, No 4. by J.R. Pole, p. 677.
- Chesapeake Politics 1781-1800 (1978) was reviewed in ten (10) including Lance Banning: the Reviews in American History, Dec 1979 Vol 7, No 4. By Lance Banning, p. 499; in the American Historical Review, Oct 1979 Vol 84, No 4. By Richard Buel, Jr., p. 1147; in the Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, Jul 1979 Vol 103, No 3. By Richard J. Cox, p. 499; in the North Carolina Historical Review, Apr 1980 Vol 57, No 2. By John A. Munroe, p. 231; in the Journal of Southern History, Aug 1979 Vol 45, No 3. By Frank A. Cassell, p. 431; in the Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, May 1979 Vol 443, by W.T. Generous, Jr, p. 175; in the William and Mary Quarterly, Apr 1980 Vol 37, No 2. By David A. Bohmer, p. 328; in the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Oct 1979 Vol 87, No 4. by George Green Shackelford, p. 231; in the Journal of Economic History, Mar 1980 Vol 40, No 1, The Tasks of Economic History., by Allan Kulikoff, p. 207; in the Journal of American History, Mar 1980 Vol 66, No 4, , by James H. Broussard, p. 915.
- Thomas Jefferson (American Profiles Series) (1994) was reviewed in at least eight (8), including by notables Lance Banning, and Willard Sterne Randall: the Journal of Southern History, Nov 1995 Vol 61, No 4. by Norman G. Ralford, p. 791; reviewed in the Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, Jul 1995 Vol 119, No 3. by Eugene R. Sheridan, Willard Sterne Randall,p. 266; reviewed in the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Jul 1995 Vol 103, No 3. by Constance B. Schulz, p. 379; reviewed in the American Historical Review, Oct 1995 Vol 103, No 4. by Lance Banning, p. 1293; in the North Carolina Historical Review, Jan 1995 Vol 72, No 1. by Ronald Schultz, p. 107; in the Journal of the Early Republic, Winter 1994 Vol 72, No 1. by Mary Young, p. 567; in the Journal of American History, Winter 1994 Vol 72, No 1. by Willard Sterne Randall, p. 215.
- Jefferson’s America, 1760-1815 was reviewed in the Journal of the Early Republic, and in the Journal of Southern History by notable Joseph J. Ellis: the Journal of the Early Republic, and in the Journal of Southern History by notable Joseph J. Ellis: Reviewed in the Journal of the Early Republic, Spring 1992 Vol 18, No 2. By Steven Watts, p. 95; and the Journal of Southern History, Nov 1993 Vol 59, No 4. By Joseph J. Ellis, p. 743.
- Risjord’s academic notability is further confirmed in the scholarly important journals publishing his articles, EACH OF THESE JOURNALS are noteworthy enough at Wikipedia to merit their own stand-alone articles: William and Mary Quarterly, 1961, 1974, 1976, 1992; Southern Historical Association, 1967; Journal of American History 1974a, 1974b; Wisconsin Magazine of History 2001, 2004, 2005a, 2005b.
- Risjord’s scholarly esteem among his peers is also reflected in the list of academic journals that recognized Risjord’s notability by asking for him to review at least 46 monographs in 12 scholarly journals, including for those which have stand-alone articles on Wikipedia.
TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 13:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • I think that means that there are multiple articles about an author's body of work, not just that individual books were reviewed. So for example we can verify that Stephen King is notable, even if no one has written his biography, because there many articles about his body of work, not just reviews for individual books. If we just had a few brief reviews of several of King's novels, especially if they were unrepresentative of his works, we couldn't create an objective article about him. TFD ( talk) 07:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
(1) E.P. Thompson was a British political leader that gained his work notoriety beyond academia. There are but three (3) journal reviews for his foremost polemic, The Making of the English Working Class, not Risjord’s ten (10), not Risjord's multiple publications with ten academic journal reviews over 32+ years.
- The only sourcing for a career critique of C.L.R. James is a YouTube trailer, and an author-centric online portal, neither is peer-reviewed reliable sourcing of internationally recognized scholarship, such as that related to a Fulbright SCHOLAR 'lectureship' of the 1950s and 1980s, or its 'prestigious scholar' of the 2020s, "the most prestigious award presented by the [Fulbright] Foundation".
(2) As to criteria #7. "The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." - Both Marxist polemicists Thompson and James whose work is under comparison here, earned their widest bona fides OUTSIDE of academia. [They are in their own right “notable” intellectuals, though not wp:notability (academic) to the same extent demonstrated here for Risjord and in the article Norman K. Risjord].
- A two-year old socialist start up magazine with a self-published subscription of 75,000 has just now continued an online podcast on James for one (1) year. However it is not peer reviewed, versus Risjord, who notability broadcast his lectures on independent NPR Wisconsin Public Radio for twenty-two (22) years, sponsored by an accredited university.
- NPR here gives an “independent assessment of the scholar’s notability” over a continuing twenty-two (22) year period. - s/ TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 19:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
@ TheVirginiaHistorian Can you add URLs to those reviews? In the article will be better, no need to do so here. I'd like to read a few. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Piotrus(A) At JSTOR home online, you can register for free to read 100 articles a month. Just search on each article title as cited in this thread, and you've got it in full. (B) There is also a Wikipedia link you can use on this page, set your cursor at the top of this page and search "JSTOR", and the first 'hit' is the Wikipedia link to JSTOR. Also, I can also search my notes . . . TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 08:04, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
I know, it's mostly about best practices. Each review should be a separate footnote, with its own cite journal template, and with url parameter filled in. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
INSERT. 1812: Conservatives, War Hawks, and the Nation’s Honor was cited independently for its notable influence in the field Cited, Indiana Magazine of History, vol. 75, No.1 March 1979, p.70 by Donald R. Hickey; referenced in Journal of the Early Republic, Vol 5, No. 4 Winter 1985, p. 441 by Steven Edwin Siry. These are NOTABILITY (ACADEMIC) CRITERIA marks of lasting scholarship from the beginning of his career - 20 and 35 years AFTER this seminal scholarship WAS STILL INFLUENCING ACADEMIC WRITING IN THE FIELD;
- likewise the NOTABILITY (ACADEMIC) CRITERIA are fulfilled on yet another count, by scholarly publishers REPRINTING Risjord's monographs 7, 10, and 15 years AFTER their initial publication in multiple follow-on editions of the same important CONTINUING contributions to the scholarly field of his concentration, expertise and enduring notability - and not just on 'anniversary dates' that ALSO qualify for WP: ACADEMIC NOTABILITY. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 13:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  •  Done Piotrus: Someone somewhere said Risjord is "especially strong" as a 'professional scholar', versus the 'published-doctorate-scholar' who is panned in the same review on the same topic.
WP: academic notability, Criteria #1. "The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources."
- In an independent peer-reviewed scholarly journal with its own stand-alone (Start-class) article on Wikipedia, the Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, July, 1995, p. 266, Risjord's Thomas Jefferson is reviewed noting the seasoned professional scholar is "especially strong in showing how Jefferson managed to combine strong elements of classical republicanism and Lockean liberalism in his political ideology and in tracing how the balance between them constantly shifted under changing circumstances. ...Firmly in command of the sources, ...Risjord leads the reader authoritatively through the stages of Jefferson's career and provides a convincing assessment of his place in history." TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 12:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
keep clearly passes WP:NAUTHOR per excellent analysis by @ TheVirginiaHistorian:. I think TheVirginiaHistorian went above and beyond what is necessary here. Also some notability per WP:NPROF#1 given his high citation count on Google scholar (high for a historian). This seems like a pretty open and shut case. -- hroest 14:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • The problem is that despite his books having been reviewed, the editors working on the article have been unable to use them to add meaningful information. So for example, a review cited above says that Jefferson combined Lockean liberalism and civic republicanism. But how did he do this? Which of his policies fall into the two categories. Was his opinion exceptional or what everyone else was saying? Did it influence any other writers? Were any papers written about his views? Compare this with Bernard Bailyn, author of The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution. These articles outline how Bailyn challenged existing orthodoxy, what he proposed and what influence he had. We don't just say he was an important historian who had a lot of influence and leave it at that. TFD ( talk) 14:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • That's  Not done here. The Four Deuces, in the quoted review above for Risjord’s Thomas Jefferson, TFD: is the contribution meaningful?, Risjord is established in the review as “a seasoned professional scholar” in his field. In this monograph, Risjord showed Jefferson to combine both "classical republicanism" [representative governance versus monarchy, oligarchy, dictator] with "Lockean liberalism" [sovereignty of the people, right of self government as rule by those ruled], see wp:common knowledge.
- In Jefferson, Risjord shows TFD: how did he do this? Jefferson balanced between them, shifting their prominence in his thinking by giving them different weight in the scales “under changing circumstances.” TFD: which policies? The article to date is 'C-class' and as the particulars of Risjord’s contributions are outlined, it will certainly qualify for 'B-class' status. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 19:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
While liberalism and republicanism may be common knowledge terms, Lockean liberalism and classical (or civic) republicanism are not. The first was used by Louis Hartz, while the second was used by Bailyn in their competing theories of U.S. ideology. But Risjord never mentions these ideologies in his book. I suppose that when Jefferson agreed to continue Federalist policies he was being liberal, while when he praised yeomen farmers he was being republican. But we would need a reliable secondary source to analyze what Risjord meant. TFD ( talk) 21:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
We're getting side-tracked here. This forum is to decide whether to keep the article based on Notability. Risjord's views on Jefferson, etc, don't have any bearing on any of the criteria for academic notability. Risjord is noted for, among other things, his volumes of work, which are widely cited by hisrotians, regardless of any particular views these works may express. That is a side issue. This is not the forum to hash out the finer points of Risjord's views on any particular subject. You should take this discussion to Risjord Talk if you are interested in expanding the article in this area. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 00:31, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Notability means there is significant coverage that "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." In the source TVH provided, there is little detail and it requires original research to extract the content. Basically, you are unable to tell me anything about the subject other than that he wrote about U.S. history and his books were favorably reviewed. TFD ( talk) 06:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
We've been through this before, in DYK, in that RfC you initiated, and in Risjord Talk. As was done before, you're simply filling up the discussion with unresponsive repetitive talk. Risjord's notability is covered on several accounts in the article. As was explained for you, here and here, we need not cover the finer points of Risjord's views on particular subjects in the article to help bolster Risjord's overall notability. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 20:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
The Four Deuces POSTED BELOW at 20:27, 23 July 2021 - some ten hours prior to yours here,
(1) In John Ferling's, A leap in the Dark - The Struggle to Create the American Republic, (2003), p.269, he acknowledges and quotes a phrase coined by Risjord, i.e."Virginia's first political party" - - - In Jon Meacham's Pulitzer Prize winning book, Thomas Jefferson, (2012), he refers to Risjord eleven (11) times. Examples include lengthy excerpts from Risjord's work, Jefferson's America. p. 541.
(2) In a journal article, The Sectional Politics of Practical Republicanism, p. 441, by Steven Edwin Siry, ( JSTOR  3123061) it refers to Risjord's work, Election of 1812, as a major study, p. 441. --- On P. 446 Siry notes that "...however, with publications by Bradford Perkins and Norman K. Risjord, the viewpoint changed. Advocates of the new interpretation see NO significant sectionalism [fracturing] between a pro-war South and West and an anti-war North; rather, they emphasize the high degree of [intersectional majority] PARTY UNITY in the vote for war."
- Please try to keep up with current posting on the thread, it may otherwise appear to others that you sidetrack otherwise pertinent discussion related to Risjord's academic notability. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 07:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
As I mentioned before, you have been unable to use any of these references to provide meaningful information about Risjord and more importantly to add any of it to the article. So he coined the term "Virginia's first political party." Presumably since there are political parties in Virginia, there was a first political party. You need to explain the significance of his use of the term. For example, Seymour Martin Lipset coined the term "radical right" to describe a strain of politics in the U.S. and there is a whole article that explains what he meant, who adopted the term, criticisms of the term, which movements it applies to etc. TFD ( talk) 08:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
 Done The Four Deuces every reference provides meaningful information about Risjord, and each provides material to add to the article to promote it from C-class to B-class status.
(1) While in the abstract we can see ONCE elites in legislature caucus, a "party-as-A", THEN they were redefined socially as mass political movements across social classes, "party-as-B", Risjord is the American historian who located the transition in time and how it occurred among Virginia society in a way that brought him immediate and continuing prominence in his academic field of scholarship.
(2) His notability was such that in the same issue of his book reviewed in an academic journal, he was given prominence in the same issue to author a full length article of the same title, a remarkable achievement unequalled by Seymour Martin Lipset. Like Lipset, Risjord coined a phrase that is widely used today in the particular meaning he gave to it in his scholarship.
- Yes, there should be an additional Wikipedia article on "political party" as elites in legislature caucus developing into "political" party as mass movement amalgamating social classes in a multi-cultural community into an ideological political party that can win elections and majority rule in government for six presidential elections with Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
(3) Risjord's notability is continuously demonstrated in his field. In the example here, Jon Meacham's 2013 Pulitzer Prize-winning book, Thomas Jefferson: The Art of Power cites Risjord eleven (11) times and quotes extensive passages from Risjord's 2009 Jefferson's America 1750-1815 directly. Meacham leans on Risjord for Risjord's ground-breaking scholarship on cultural continuities, social history of the common soldier, and the roles blacks and women played in both the Revolution and the War of 1812. Risjord's emphasis on social history from the 1950s was later adopted by American Marxists as they dropped economic determination as a central tenet of historical interpretation after 1989, which is also part of Risjord's influence in American historiography (although among American Marxists, the Stalinist 'vanguard' had been previously challenged by Trotsky and C.L.R. James promoting a widely based party of mass participation using liberal democracy as an analytical 'stage of history'.
(4) Risjord successfully observed in influential monographs and journal articles, and so persuaded other mainstream contributors to American historiography, that a majority of the majority party in all sections of the country as represented in Congress did vote for war against the British in the War of 1812, "the Second American Revolution". And in so doing, they demonstrated a significant party unity in action, unlike the previous historiography emphasizing sectionalism of the New Englander Federalist outvoted minority (later the Hartford Convention). In this, Risjord was a seminal innovator in American historical thought who contributed to the scholarship based on "cliometrics", data from political and economic sources rather letters and diaries alone for clues about the past and how people interacted together. While there were certainly sectional differences and rivalries to be found attested to in the personal papers and public addresses by Members of Congress, looking at who voted for war from where led Risjord to read into the speeches, letters and diaries of those voting for war as topic-centered research, rather than elevating any sectional emphasis of the subject of one's own doctoral dissertation to the exclusion of the whole story, rewriting book after book about 'your man' for an academic career. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 09:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Again, you need to show that you can put these snippets together into an informative article. So far, you have not done this. That's probably because it cannot be done without substantial synthesis. So we have an article that says the subject was notable but provides no evidence of this. TFD ( talk) 10:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
wp:Synthesis is nowhere proposed, AND it is  Not done anywhere in the article.
Agree. contributors to the article can elaborate article sections, and extend existing descriptive narrative to advance the article status from C-class to B-class. But there is NO justification found in any Wikipedia guideline or policy to delete any C-class articles until they are advanced to B-class-worthy in an editor's sandbox before publishing it in Wikipedia mainspace.
Readers find the existing article as written with multiple secondary wp:reliable sources that provide independent third party critiques demonstrating Norman K. Risjord is a scholar of wp:notability (academic). No, the article does not assert authority as a reliable source quoting itself with unsupported assertions, it footnotes to notable scholars publishing feature length critical book reviews in peer-reviewed academic journals.
(1) At wp:BASIC, we find, People are presumed notable [with] significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject, as the several dozen journal citations provided that all attest to Risjord's notability. Nor has any editor in the article discussions every found any ONE or several among the 50 or so journal reviews that dismisses Risjord's scholarly work in over 80 days of discussion.
(2) The General Notability Guideline continues that in the event there is not an independent monograph reporting on the life of the scholar, "...then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." so, EDITORS HAVE BEEN MISTAKEN to insist on a monograph from an academic publisher dedicated to the scholarship of Norman K. Risjord. There are over 40 scholarly reviews, across academic journals of (a) three (3) historic periods, (b) three (3) specialty fields of history, political science, and economics, and (c) three (3) geographies of the United States, the American South and the state of Virginia. These "multiple independent sources" do NOT militate against maintaining the Risjord article, it justifies maintaining it here at Wikipedia at cited and linked here. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 23:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ The Four Deuces: this is the wrong place to discuss how to structure the article, please use the article talk page for your discussion with TheVirginiaHistorian. This page is to determine whether the subject is notable for inclusion in Wikipedia or not. -- hroest 16:20, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Hannes Röst, see General notability guideline: ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." The fact that that it is impossible to write this article without using original research to tie together the brief mentions of the author is why it fails notability. The proof is that after substantial effort, editors have not been able to add anything from these sources other than that the writer was well regarded. Instead of saying, "Wow, that's a lot of sources, he must notable," take time to read some of them and see if you can have better success. Citations incidentally don't establish notability when they are merely used to support facts and no mention is made of the author or his work. TFD ( talk) 16:38, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ The Four Deuces: while you are correct for the GNG, what actually applies here are the WP:NPROF guidelines which state This guideline is independent from the other subject-specific notability guidelines, such as WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:AUTH, etc., and is explicitly listed as an alternative to the general notability guideline so therefore the GNG does not apply. Once we have established this, we can read that WP:NPROF does not require significant coverage. So your analysis is correct if the article would fall under GNG, but since it falls under WP:NPROF none of what you said applies here. Additionally, per WP:NPROF you can use non-independent sources such as this so I dont see the problem with writing an article about him. -- hroest 17:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Several of his works appear to have received multiple independent reviews, which qualifies him via NAUTHOR #3. However, I'm not sure what the extent of the coverage of these reviews is -- if they're just blurbs or mentions or citations of a book then that wouldn't count. TheVirginiaHistorian, can you clarify the content of some of these reviews? JoelleJay ( talk) 17:54, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  •  Done The reviews are NOT 'blurbs'. Rather, they feature-length book reviews in peer-reviewed academic journals, as cited above with pagination. Each journal is a wp:reliable source, each critically establishes (a) the scholar’s importance or lack thereof in the historiographic field, (b) the strength of the monograph’s contribution to the literature, and (c) any context for exceptional scholarship revealing new interpretation. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 19:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • TheVirginiaHistorian, I saw your above references for the reviews, however I do not have access to most of them so I can't actually evaluate them for myself, and it's not clear from your citation style that any of them are more than one page. That's why I asked whether they were blurbs -- something contained on only one page could be a substantial review, but it could also just be a paragraph description or name-drop. JoelleJay ( talk) 04:03, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • JoelleJay(A) At JSTOR home online, you can register for free to read 100 articles a month. Just search on each article title as cited in this thread, and you've got it in full. (B) There is also a Wikipedia link you can use on this page, set your cursor at the top of this page and search "JSTOR", and the first 'hit' is the Wikipedia link to JSTOR. Also, I can also search my notes . . . TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 08:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep A significant number of reviews have been provided, and it looks like he more than meets requirements as an author and academic. Side note: I'm coming over here from DYK and Academic notability is not my strong suit but I wanted to weigh in. editor identifies at edit history BuySomeApples
  • Keep. Risjord's body of work meets wp:notability (academic) criteria #1, #2, #5, and #7. - - - Recall from the previous discussion by Gwillhickers, impact on Risjord's scholarly field:
(1) In John Ferling's, A leap in the Dark - The Struggle to Create the American Republic, (2003), p.269, he acknowledges and quotes a phrase coined by Risjord, i.e."Virginia's first political party" - - - In Jon Meacham's Pulitzer Prize winning book, Thomas Jefferson, (2012), he refers to Risjord eleven (11) times. Examples include lengthy excerpts from Risjord's work, Jefferson's America. p. 541.
(2) In a journal article, The Sectional Politics of Practical Republicanism, p. 441, by Steven Edwin Siry, ( JSTOR  3123061) it refers to Risjord's work, Election of 1812, as a major study, p. 441. --- On P. 446 Siry notes that "...however, with publications by Bradford Perkins and Norman K. Risjord, the viewpoint changed. Advocates of the new interpretation see NO significant sectionalism [fracturing] between a pro-war South and West and an anti-war North; rather, they emphasize the high degree of [intersectional majority] PARTY UNITY in the vote for war."
s/ TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 20:27, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
ERRATA INSERT. The profound misunderstanding and unverified assertions found in the Piotrus edit of 9:44, 24 July 2021 confuses a scholarly lecture as described and cited to a reliable independent source in the Wisconsin State Journal. Madison, Wisconsin Plato Lectures for seniors are neither hosting a talk show guest on air, nor sitting as an interview guest on a radio talk show.
Regardless, the Wisconsin Public Radio editorial judgment to sponsor the on-air lecture series for 28 years meets the Criterion #7 for wp:notability (academic), "The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." It matters little if a POV supposes that providing free publicly available higher education in Madison WI is a "hobby, with very little impact". The Madison Wisconsin, Wisconsin State Journal disagreed, a reliable source for the Madison Wisconsin community 1950-2019, the period of time that concerns us in this thread. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 23:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Piotrus : Referring to Risjord's effort as merely a "side job" unfairly understates matters. The "show" Risjord hosted lasted 22 years. The forum consisted of Professor Risjord's lectures, at the University of Wisconsin, on various topics in early American history broadcasted over NPR public radio. This was highly unusual and distinguishing for a history professor. The article says.. "in 1967 he began broadcasting his classroom lectures over NPR Wisconsin Public Radio, furthering the University's commitment to contribute to the education of every household in the state of Wisconsin. These continued periodically until 1989".  This effort alone well establishes criteria 7. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 20:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Thank you, TJMSmith. The article does NOT qualify for Articles for Deletion WP:AFD.
- a. It can be fixed through normal editing, C.1 It is not a candidate for AfD.
- b. It is recently created, C.2 Editors are to allow contributors time to develop the article.
- c. Links in the article and at the AfD discussion this week demonstrate adequate existing sources, D.3 If the main concern is notability, the fix is extended narrative with additional sources.
Of special interest will be new contributions on Risjord’s work as assessed in scholarly journal reviews by scholars with WP:Notability in Risjord’s academic field: 1) Lance Banning, 2) Paul Goodman, 3) Willard Sterne Randall, and 4) Joseph J. Ellis.
- s/ TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 10:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you, Pburka. All contributors acknowledge there is more to be done to develop the Norman K. Risjord as written to date. The article has a C-class status. However, as noted at wp:article development, ANY C-class status article:
- a. provides more than ENOUGH INFORMATION for the casual reader, but it does NOT meet WP:ASSESS B-class requirement as a professional encyclopedia article.
- b. needs ADDITIONAL editing to close gaps in content, i.e. TFD noted as collegial editorial direction to contributors, for the to-do list: compare and contrast the historiography of the subject to other scholars before, during and after his career.
- c. has RELIABLY SOURCED citations but some may require cleanup.
- s/ TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 10:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Actually, the article is rated at B class, as it meets all the criteria for that class - remembering that article class has no bearing on notability or AFD matters. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 18:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Sorry, old news that has been superceded since my last inspection. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 22:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • That's not my name, and this forum is called Articles for Deletion, not Articles for Reclassification. If you don't think it meets the criteria for C-class, please start a discussion to correct the classification on the talk page. pburka ( talk) 21:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
noted and corrected. thanks.
Rather than 'deletion' for Norman K. Risjord, the linked WP guidance at WP:ASSESS and its sister articles - in this case directs editors to contribute to the article so as to (a) expand existing text, (b) close existing gaps, and (c) cleanup citations as needed, instead of article deletion. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 22:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 14:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Rashtriya Prajatanrik Ekta Panchayat Party

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Practically an A7 for no indication of significance - whether by having members serve in Parliament, having an effect on policy, etc etc. Unsourced since creation in 2004. BEFORE search in English found no significant coverage, just trivial mentions in lists of political parties (should be noted that the article's original title apparently contained a typo; I have moved it to the correct name and searched using both). Can't search in Nepali because Nepali name wasn't given. Tried an in-text search for likely merge locations but nothing found. Unclear relationship to the Rastriya Prajatantra Party as it isn't mentioned there so no indication if it would be mergeable there (happy to withdraw if sources substantiate that it is though). ♠ PMC(talk) 05:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete -- All I can find are mentions of it among minor parties in lists of parties that supported some position or other. It was apparently led by one Ravi Bikram Shah. Nothing on what happened to it or him. I can imagine us having this party (but not necessarily the titles we have now) as a redirect in the future, but can't find a suitable target among the content we already have.
    There was a typo but you did not correct it. Ekta and Ekata are both acceptable (almost all words have multiple valid transliterations) but Prajatanrik is plain wrong. It ought to be Prajatantrik. In Devangari script, it's "राष्ट्रिय प्रजातान्त्रिक एकता पंचायत पार्टी"| Regards! Usedtobecool  ☎️ 07:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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Jake Featherston

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Non-notable fictional character from a somewhat obscure alternate history series. Sources currently in the article are either unreliable or consist solely of passing mentions in the context of plot summaries. The best coverage is the scifi.com piece, which just refers to Featherston as a megalomaniac and a scoundrel. Aside from a handful of passing mentions in marginal sources about this figure being the fictional Confederate Hitler, I can find no significant coverage for this fictional character outside of plot summaries. Fails WP:GNG. Hog Farm Talk 05:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Wikipedia is not a fan wiki or a site to catalog every fictional character. Not a well-known character or one known in pop culture. wizzito | say hello! 20:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC) Merge if it is not a keep. This article may help the main novels article which is looking very short. Leanne Sepulveda ( talk) 18:25, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 05:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

2nd Arkansas 30 Day Volunteer Regiment

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Article has largely been gutted as a copyvio anyway after being listed at WP:CP (not entirely sure why isn't wasn't straight-up G12'd when only a single sentence survived the copyvio purging). Anyway, what remained before the copyright removal was a statement that it was never fully officered, that it was short-lived and never saw combat, and a listing of companies, sourced to an unreliable website and some primary source military records. I don't think this is notable, as the coverage I can find is solely in primary or unreliable sources, and the unit never saw action. Hog Farm Talk 04:53, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Paul Varghese (producer)

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The sources are only about the three Malayalam movies he produced. No significant coverage. Fails WP:GNG Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 04:22, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. plicit 14:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Paróquia de Santa Teresinha (São Paulo)

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Appears to be a run-of-the-mill parish: at least, that's what the Portuguese article seems to imply, as there is no claim to notability there. Mangoe ( talk) 03:30, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 02:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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An article written on announcements and depends on Crunchbase references which are non reliable resources. Fails WP:GNG, WP:ORG DefenderBoy27 ( talk) 01:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 23:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Notability concerns. Other than the name being old, there is no claim of notability. It is unclear if a structure still exists; I can't find any sourcing that suggests it does. The references in the article are all local genealogical sources (except one which is old court proceedings), and the ones I could check with Google Books were trivial mentions of the property. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 03:47, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • keep albeit weakly. There is a tendency to be biased against things referenced only by books, but a published book is a reliable source, even if it takes some trouble to get to it. This article is referenced to real paper books. The building probably isn't there any more (I had a good look on streetview and google's satellite view, and all I could see was decaying motor-vehicles and post-industrial collapse). But the publisher's blurb from "Adventurers, Cavaliers, Patriots: Ancestors Remembered", one of the references, sums it up: it explains how vignettes glimpsed across 10-11 generations and a couple of centuries paint a picture of colonial America. If we delete them because they are mere vignettes, because the structures aren't there any more, or because they are merely in books, then we lose that glimpse. Elemimele ( talk) 12:38, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • delete First of all, the lead sentence is false, at least when it comes to tense: the point in question (and the coordinates are unsourced) is at the entrance to a fenced-in parking lot in the brutally industrialized area south of the tracks. That point also is not and never has been in Howard County. After that, the whole article is essentially a coat rack for biographic information about two members of the family, of whom only the second might be notable. The article makes no real claim for the notability of the house, and from what it says its slight claim to fame is as the Griffith family home, which doesn't cut it. Mangoe ( talk) 22:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. WP:MILL. Does not assert or establish any particular significance; the same kind of article could be written about any building. In other words, the article does not establish why an article is needed about this topic. Sandstein 21:15, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Sean C. Ewing

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Local politician who does not pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 23:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

James Dodson (producer)

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Fails WP:BASIC; I found little to no coverage about Dodson. The Film Creator ( talk) 22:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was Soft Deletion. As power~enwiki doesn't specifically register opposition to this article's deletion but is hardly a ringing endorser of it, I think the best option in these circumstances is to treat it as if it were a regular non-participating AfD nom.

As with any soft deletion, this can be recreated on request either to me or WP:REFUND. Nosebagbear ( talk) 00:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Hamad bin Khalifa Al Nahyan

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I am submitting this for discussion again, since the time has passed, the sale did not happen and the whole story now looks like one big scam. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 19:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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What, exactly, is a scam here? Are you saying that his claiming to be a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal Family is fraudulent? Or is some business deal he was involved in engaging in fraud? User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 20:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Exactly. Read the news sources, mentioned in the article. There is no ANY mention of him as part of Abu Dhabi Royal Family beside the articles about Beitar deal, which was canceled due to his "wealth" not being a real wealth. He is not mentioned in any source in Arabic or English, which is a very suspicious, taking account that members of a Royal Family are always in spotlight. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 19:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JBW ( talk) 19:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

The Dear Abbeys

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I am unable to find evidence in reliable, independent sources that covers this group. I might have merged this to Boston_University#Student_life, but this type of content doesn't really appear there, and I'm not sure it would be DUE. Star Mississippi 20:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Most sources either primary or linked to their university, not demonstrating reliable, independent coverage Dexxtrall ( talk) 11:14, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: I don't see any compelling claim of notability. Sources are all primary/linked or run of the mill. Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 18:17, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I wasn't going to add an additional !vote, but Daniel's relist appears to be indicating that David's (!)vote is discounted, whereas to me it seems a clunky "per X" !vote, which is generally permitted. Atlantic's source definitely is suitable, but it is also the only one I could find - were there another, I'd flip my !vote to Keep. As it is, I don't believe notability is shown. Nosebagbear ( talk) 00:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel ( talk) 21:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Gatlin Green

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Fails WP:NACTOR; she's only had one significant role as Emily Duval in Heroes Reborn (miniseries). The Film Creator ( talk) 22:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to America's Got Talent (season 9). Treat this as a 'soft'-redirect (similar to WP:SOFTDELETE), in that the redirect can be contested (and therefore renominated at AfD), if desired. Daniel ( talk) 21:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Quintavious Johnson

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Article fails WP:BIO in regards to notability per WP:ENT GUtt01 ( talk) 14:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep as he received plenty of reliable sources coverage in 2014 as cited in the article and has recently receieved some more as he takes part in an America's Got Talent stage show, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 02:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus verging on keep, sources below are noted but were never scruitinised, so closing as NCS to allow for a future renomination if the sourcing doesn't check out as WP:RS. Daniel ( talk) 21:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Jblessing

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Does not meet WP:NOTE, clearly self-promotional and has deleted tags added by other users. Ari T. Benchaim ( talk) 19:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 21:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Yeison Asencio

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Non-notable minor-league baseball player; fails WP:GNG

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

List of highest I.Q. scores ever recorded

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This list can't work. The consensus of RS has no agreed-upon way to exactly "measure" the IQ of anyone. This becomes even harder when including children and historical geniuses. Many reported high scores are from unscientific IQ tests, as opposed to ones in common use by trained psychologists. The single source used here is unreliable and unscientific, and does not even cite where its IQ scores come from. It is yet another sensationalist or clickbait article on the Internet. If we continue to expand this list with similar sources, it will become a list of mere rumors, which would violate both WP:SOAPBOX and WP:INDISCRIMINATE.

Because of the variety of outlandish IQ claims, I am doubtful that even a list of claimed IQ scores can work. It is difficult to reliably verify an IQ test score, unlike height (which is objectively measurable and can be reliably reported, c.f. List of tallest people). I therefore propose deleting this article entirely. Wikinights ( talk) 21:33, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Not a viable list topic per nom, plus plenty of redlinks and WP:BLP violations. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 21:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Yikes, I don't even want to click on the link to see the article. Not a suitable list topic for Wikipedia. Excellent nomination, Wikinights. Gildir ( talk) 21:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, no chance of it ever containing reliable data, let alone comprehensive data. Might as well have a list of claimed sizes of fish caught by amateur anglers. Elemimele ( talk) 22:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: This has to be the most odd list I have seen, and relying on a single source, I don't see how it gets any notability whatsoever. As per above, list of claimed sizes of fish caught by amateur anglers might be a more interesting list. Delete. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 23:20, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:DELREASON#6: Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes. It's not possible to attribute an IQ score of 200 to reliable sources, because any source reporting an IQ score of 200 is simply not reliable for that assertion. It's impossible to calibrate a test that can accurately produce that result, because of the way the mathematics of IQ scores work—your score is determined by how large a proportion of the population you perform better than, and outperforming every single person on Earth would still only give you an IQ of (roughly) 195 (or equivalently, a Z-score of roughly +6⅓). An IQ of 200 means a Z-score of +6⅔, or 1 in roughly 76 billion ( thanks, WolframAlpha) – roughly an order of magnitude more than the current world population. TompaDompa ( talk) 23:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    You have just demonstrated there why I think that a foundation in statistics is a life skill that everyone should learn. Many claims by politicians or the press can easily be dismissed with such knowledge. Phil Bridger ( talk) 09:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The fraught history of intelligence testing altogether makes this a 'no-go' type of article which cannot be reliably sourced in any manner. Nate ( chatter) 02:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as not a viable list topic. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 21:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete the IQ claims are a mix of unsourced, untrustworthy, and after-death estimates; I don't consider the Reader's Digest listicle credible at all. Testing IQ is hard, and testing >150IQ is even harder; there's simply not the extant data to make a useful list of this form. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:20, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Kalash Ambers

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Subject fails WP:NMUSIC, sources are just are primary and don’t meet WP: GNG. A search doesn’t provide anything either. Xclusivzik ( talk) 21:13, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Paolo Genovese , with no prejudice to recreation if/when GNG is met. Daniel ( talk) 21:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

The First Day of My Life

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it is WP:TOOSOON for this topic to have a mainspace article, the topic only has one article that constitutes significant coverage, the others are a database listing and a passing mention, this should be in draft space until it meets WP:GNG BOVINEBOY 2008 18:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus verging on keep. Daniel ( talk) 21:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Dominique Palmer

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Not every 21-year-old “climate justice activist” belongs in an encyclopedia. Until there’s in-depth coverage, until there’s more than press releases from Greenpeace and screenshots from the subject’s Instagram profile, the case for inclusion isn’t convincing. - Biruitorul Talk 13:31, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - was deprodded with the rationale that it had already been prodded once, which is incorrect. It had been speedied, not prodded. Not enough in-depth coverage from reliable, independent sources to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 16:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Guerreros Atlixco

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Seems like it should be notable, but I can't find anything like WP:SIGCOV or even much in the way of WP:V. PepperBeast (talk) 17:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Yukti Thareja

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Non-notable Indian film actress, Only known for one song. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR DMySon ( talk) 17:34, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Vadim Zubavlenko

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Article about former footballer (hasn't been with a club since last September) who made a single appearance for a club in the Russian FNL. Although that single appearance creates a presumption of notability under WP:NFOOTBALL, it is invalid because the article comprehensively fails WP:GNG based on a search of online English- and Russian-language sources. The article was previously sent to AfD where it was kept on the (erroneous) view that his career had not ended and he might make further appearances in a fully-pro league. It's obvious now that his professional footballing career is over. Jogurney ( talk) 17:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Passing WP:NFOOTBALL is irrelevant as WP:NSPORT clearly states that it does not supersede GNG and that all athletes must pass GNG, regardless of whether they pass a sports-specific notability guideline.

Q2: If a sports figure meets the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean he/she does not have to meet the general notability guideline?
A2: No, the article must still eventually provide sources indicating that the subject meets the general notability guideline. Although the criteria for a given sport should be chosen to be a very reliable predictor of the availability of appropriate secondary coverage from reliable sources, there can be exceptions. For contemporary persons, given a reasonable amount of time to locate appropriate sources, the general notability guideline should be met in order for an article to meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. (For subjects in the past where it is more difficult to locate sources, it may be necessary to evaluate the subject's likely notability based on other persons of the same time period with similar characteristics.)

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel ( talk) 21:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

H.Mujeeb Rahman

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Looks like an advertisement. Lack of in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of them. fails WP:GNG DMySon ( talk) 17:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete all. Daniel ( talk) 21:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

TamilNadu State Transport Corporation - Kumbakonam

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We have an article at Tamil Nadu State Transport Corporation which isn’t currently amazingly well sourced but the topic is notable. What isn’t clearly notable are all the local units of the agency. There is a brace of articles lacking any sourcing in RIS and I haven’t been able to find anything in English to suggest notability. There may be sources in Tamil I can’t identify or assess. I’m nominating them all as a bundle and believe that in each case a redirect to the main corporation is probably the best outcome. Mccapra ( talk) 17:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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I am also nominating the following related pages

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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 21:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

The Pike & Shot Society

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PROD contested; searches indicate no notability. As in I can hardly find any coverage Eddie891 Talk Work 16:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The Society is fifty years old and has a high reputation with its journal and contents frequently cited in academic journals and published works. The Society's publications afre considered unique in presenting otherwise unavailable information that we can publish because we do not need to consider whether a publication is profitable. Not sure how we can demonstrate "notability" except, if required, a list of works where the Society's publications and journal have been quoted.

Your use of the term 'we' suggests you have a conflict of interest here. Wikipedia strongly discourages editing pages where a conflict of interest exists. You must WP:DISCLOSE any conflict of interest Dexxtrall ( talk) 10:20, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete -- Looking through the Society's website, I see little to give me confidence that this is a serious academic society. It is typical of articles on societies that the main source is their own website. That is not an independent source but is likely in fact to be reliable. Peterkingiron ( talk) 21:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 00:57, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Santiago Chávez

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Non-notable minor-league baseball player; fails WP:Notability. User created this article prematurely after Chávez was named to Mexico's preliminary Olympic roster, but he was not selected to the final 24-man team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pozzi.c ( talkcontribs) 13:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. King of ♥ 05:01, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Fly (clothing)

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Essentially unsourced, and tagged as such for 3 years. Much of this is WP:OR, and some is sourced to The Free Dictionary which is WP:UGC. This is one of those articles that was probably acceptable when it was created back in 2007 with the edit comment "might make a good article one day if history gets added", but totally fails our modern concept of WP:N.

I made some attempt to find good sources, but to be honest, "fly" doesn't make a very good search term. Somebody who's more familiar with the garment industry literature might be able to find something, but until then, this isn't an encyclopedic article. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:33, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • I'm in favour of keep because the concept is quite a notable one, very nearly in the same league as Pocket (and people have written whole PhD theses on them). The main problem with the article is lack of referencing, but it's not obviously factually wrong. And as the nominator correctly said: "Fly" is a horrible search-term. But we can't go round deleting articles because the name of a thing happens to be ambiguous. A google search for "history of the fly in trousers" produces a lot of hits, but predictably a lot are blogs, so they're probably not reliable secondary source. But the fact they exist suggests that a lot of people consider the topic worth writing about, and somewhere in humanity, someone knows something about it. As the nominator said, this article really needs attention from someone familiar with the clothing industry. Elemimele ( talk) 22:22, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Let's remember that there are other languages than English. We can look for sources in German, French, Spanish, Russian and so on. A quick look at the corresponding Wikipedia articles in other languages reveals that sources (such as this one) do indeed exist. I don't think the notability is seriously in question here. TompaDompa ( talk) 22:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This is a well-known everyday item, I definitely think this is notable. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 13:34, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep , with no consensus to rename. Further renames should be considered using the WP:RM process. Daniel ( talk) 21:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Shalu Nigam

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not notable and fails GNG Iamfarzan ( talk) 14:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: I fail to see how a high court decision that has impact for single parents all over India is not notable, particularly wherein in provides a path for a child to obtain a passport without the name of a father. The high court notes single parents were on increase due to various reasons “like unwed mothers, sex workers, surrogate mothers, rape survivors, children abandoned by father and also children born through IVF. This sort of decision is going to occur in many other sovereign jurisdictions. This decision *does* have consequences for women and mothers in India, and hence, notability. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 14:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • This judgment made a vital impact on the issue of the name and identity of single mothers and their kids in India. The Ministry changed its policy within a few months subsequent to this decision. The judge very clearly established that the passport authorities cannot force single mothers to obtain the consent of their father before applying for the passport of their kids. Other legal Scholars have been writing about this decision by the Delhi High court and how it has made a significant impact on the situation of single mothers [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.69.43.74 ( talkcontribs) 15:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep the content regarding the case, it meets WP:GNG. But maybe the article name should be changed to reference the case rather than the person, as she is not notable independently of the case? LizardJr8 ( talk) 15:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • As I have created this page so I am giving reasons to KEEP this page AS IT IS and why I created this

1. The judgment made an important impact considering the situation in India about single mothers. It has been referred to in other cases too later and as also discussed above, scholars are writing about this case.

2. The person who filed this petition as a lawyer and as a single mother fought her own case herself therefore the person becomes notable.

3. The person as a lawyer, researcher, and activist is working on gender and human rights issues and has other significant publications in her name. Some of her recent work is quoted in the article itself in the references list

4. Some of her work is important in terms of feminist research and has added a new dimension to feminist thinking in India. For instance, her work on domestic violence law in India from 2005 to a recent one in 2020 - a continuous series of books, articles, and papers on the issue of domestic violence law in India brings in a different dimension.

5. Most of the other work of the author not listed here such as her co-authored book published in 2016 on The Founding Mother: 15 women architects of the Indian Constitution is much applauded locally in India

6. The author has been awarded a senior fellowship by the Indian council of social science research and has been actively contributing to the field of women's studies at the global level. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Changetheworld ( talkcontribs) 16:05, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

References

I have added this para if this meets the notability requirements. Any other suggestions or comments are welcomed.

Her Other Notable Achievements

Over the years, she has been working consistently in the field of domestic violence laws in India and made some specific contributions in the field from the feminist perspective since 2005[26] [27] till present [28] [29]

More specifically, her contribution in the field of domestic violence law has been acknowledged with the emergence of coronavirus in 2020 and its impact on women [30] [31] [32] [33]

Her activism extends beyond the field of human rights too. <refhttps://www.firstpost.com/india/kathua-rape-and-murder-case-live-updates-pdp-to-meet-today-to-decide-future-course-of-action-after-two-bjp-ministers-quit-4431283.html></ref> [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]

She has served as a visiting faculty at the Center for Women's Development Studies as she recieved senior fellowship by the Indian Council of Social Science Research, 2013-15 [41] Also, based on her contribution in the field of dowry and domestic violence, she was invited for a conference on dowry in 2019 at Sydney, Australia organized by UNSW and ACHRH [42]


Thanks a Lot for editing this page. It's a huge learning experience for me. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Changetheworld ( talkcontribs) 15:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Comment Cheers, Dr Changetheworld, and it will take some time to review, sort, and incorporate the links, but my hope is that revisions to the article will also be helpful for this discussion. Beccaynr ( talk) 16:19, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep agree per all above. VocalIndia ( talk) 16:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment per WP:HEY, the article has been substantially revised, and I think it is now more clear why a standalone article for Nigam, with her case incorporated into it, is warranted. As an initial matter, it is a very fact-driven case, so her biographical details are a core part of the case and covered by multiple independent and reliable sources. She is also both the petitioner and the lawyer who made the arguments that were covered by multiple independent and reliable sources. The case also did not happen in a vacuum, because it is part of a developing body of caselaw (e.g. Mandel, 2019, Socio-Legal Rev. 15 (131): 147–149), and while I have not been able to access the specific pages that discuss her in Mutinies for Equality: Contemporary Developments in Law and Gender in India (2021), the publisher blurb indicates the book is focused on "protagonists who shape the debate around law and gender and locate their efforts into a socio-political context", which seems like further support for her notability as a contributor to the development of women's legal rights in India. WP:BLP1E appears to be a relevant consideration for whether a standalone article for her is warranted, and it appears to not apply due to #3, her substantial role in this event, and #2, not remaining a low-profile individual after the event. For example, she was one of the experts cited by The News Minute in 2017 for her writing on Battered Woman Syndrome, and she has engaged in high-profile activist activity, as noted in links in my comment above. In addition, on GScholar, I had to go 10 pages in to get past her scholarly output, but she also appears to gain regular notice from her peers for her academic work, and the article currently does not fully reflect this nor additional information about her career that could be researched and confirmed based on her Routledge author profile. A redirect could be created for the name of the case to her article, for if and when the case is discussed elsewhere on Wikipedia, which would offer the additional context about her that is available from a wide variety of sources that have been and could still be incorporated into the article. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:24, 25 July 2021 (UTC) Also, the Find link tool indicates an article in her name will not be an orphan due to the WP:MANYLINKS that can already be created. Beccaynr ( talk) 23:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was draftify. Daniel ( talk) 21:07, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

M3GAN

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Non-notable future film, no evidence has been provided that filming has begun, all sources are dated before the scheduled shooting dates, per WP:NFF this should not be in mainspace yet, there is already a working draft BOVINEBOY 2008 14:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was A7 Speedy deleted by Jimfbleak. (non-admin closure) Jumpytoo Talk 20:10, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Benowa High: The Podcast

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Lack of notability. I'd simply redirect it to the (poor) article on the place, but there's no mention of this podcast TheLongTone ( talk) 14:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. plicit 14:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Miklos Wright

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Résumé-like WP:BLP of a film editor, not properly sourced as meeting our inclusion standards. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they have jobs -- the notability test hinges on evidence of distinction, such as notable film or television editing awards or the reception of enough reliable source coverage about him and his work in the media to clear WP:GNG. But the only notability claim being made here is that he has had editing credits, and the only "source" present is his IMDb page, neither of which are sufficient in and of themselves. Bearcat ( talk) 13:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. plicit 14:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Non notable future film, appears to fail WP:NFF as production doesn't appear to be notable. Delete or move to draft until release.

Previously deleted for failing WP:NFF in May 2021, nothing has changed. DonaldD23 talk to me 13:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. plicit 14:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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I can only really find passing mentions and brief transfer announcements relating to him, so I'm not seeing a WP:GNG pass yet. His appearances to date are in the 3rd tier of Spain and 3rd tier of Romania (also no sources support any Romanian appearances) so WP:NFOOTBALL doesn't seem to be met. Currently on the books of a 2nd tier Romanian team so it's not even one of those cases where he's near enough guaranteed to be notable any time soon. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Arguments presenting sources that meet GNG have not been refuted. Online sources can certainly be independent, in-depth, and reliable. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Fails WP:GNG GermanKity ( talk) 10:35, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - I'm confused by the comment above listing sources then saying clearly not notable... Is there any further explanation? Is there a suggestion that an online source is unacceptable? Anyway, those are the same sources that Yeeno discussed (minus the YouTube link) where a brief explanation on each was given. The first source from The Face may be an interview, but it is still independent as the author provides a good introduction to the subject before even getting to the interview. That plus Affinity is enough to satisfy multiple sources to meet GNG. - 2pou ( talk) 17:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 00:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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BLP of an activist who does not seem to me to have a clear claim of notability - none of his activities look distinctive enough to get him over the bar. He might be a GNG pass but the sources here mostly look local, or of uncertain reliability, and quite a bit just looks like PR. He seems very able to generate publicity but what that amounts to for our purposes is less clear. Mccapra ( talk) 12:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) 4meter4 ( talk) 01:37, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Unreferenced article since its creation in 2010. For reviewers, the publications listed in the article are works written by the subject, and not sources. A WP:BEFORE search yielded nothing. I couldn't find any reviews on his works, an obituary, or any sources with significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NAUTHOR. 4meter4 ( talk) 13:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keepHere's an obituary from The Guardian, opining that he "opened up a forum for transport policy in the sixties and seventies by creating a new style of railway journalism". That would seem to correspond fairly well with WP:NJOURNALIST, which requires that a journalist be "known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique." Searching is difficult here, mainly because he is referred to by a large number of names. But the NJOURNALIST pass is, in my view, sufficient to sustain an inference of notability. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 14:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The relevant guideline here is WP:NCORP. In my searches, I was unable to locate any coverage from reliable, independent sources that meet the requirements of WP:CORPDEPTH and there are no valid references presented in the article itself. The best that I could find was Kev's Best but this is an article on the founder and doesn't have any focus on the company.

As a record label, this doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC as it's not one of the more important indie record labels. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Noting that the previously PROD'd article under this title was a different subject. plicit 14:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of a politician notable only for holding local political offices, not adequately referenced as passing WP:NPOL #2. The offices he has held are mayor of a small town and district administrator of a landkreis (the German equivalent of a county), neither of which are "inherently" notable offices that automatically guarantee inclusion in Wikipedia per se -- at this level of significance, the notability test is not the ability to minimally verify that the person exists, but the ability to write and source a substantive article about his political significance: specific things he did, specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects he had on the development of the town or the county, and on and so forth. But there are just three sources here, two of which just verify the start and end of his county-level role with no evidence of any ongoing coverage while he was in office, and the third is just a very short blurb announcing his domestic partner registration. And, in fact, the article is so poorly maintained that it still describes him as the incumbent landrat of Regen even though he stepped down in 2017 and has not reassumed the office since. This just isn't enough coverage to make a person permanently and internationally notable for holding local office. Bearcat ( talk) 12:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was nomination withdrawn as there's already an open AFD discussion on him, which I missed because the creator had removed the AFD template from the article before I found it. Bearcat ( talk) 12:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician, not reliably sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. As always, musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because their own music metaverifies its own existence on a streaming platform -- the notability test requires certain specific quantifiable achievements, independently verified by a certain specific calibre of reliable source coverage in real media. But this is referenced entirely to primary sources that are not support for notability at all -- Spotify streams, IMDb, the self-published websites of people or organizations that he's been directly affiliated with, the subject's own social media feed -- and claims nothing about him that would be "inherently" notable enough to exempt the referencing from having to be much, much better than this. Bearcat ( talk) 12:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Delete. G5 by GeneralNotability. (non-admin closure) User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The preferred locations Zeshan Khan and Zeshan Khan (actor) are both salted hence why this has been posted under an incorrect title. I can't evidence of any notable roles so WP:NACTOR appears to be failed. I also can't find any evidence towards WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG.

We may wish to consider WP:SALT here as well if consensus determines him to be non-notable. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:40, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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WP:N states that the subject must meet either WP:GNG or a subject-specific guideline, in this case WP:NACTOR or WP:NMUSICIAN. Please can you show sources proving that he meets at least one of these guidelines? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep per WP:CSK #1, which applies when the nominator "fails to advance any argument for deletion or redirection—perhaps only proposing an alternative action such as moving or merging". If the proposed merger is uncontroversial, the nominator may carry it out himself; if it's controversial, it can be listed at WP:PAM. But AfD is for discussing deletion, not for other matters. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Merge proposal. The information in this stub is better put to use in the parent article, where it is missing. Please do not make notability arguments below. There is no problem with the notability of JOVD. Just with our organization of the information. gidonb ( talk) 09:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 11:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Lacking Notability, also see 1. at WP:NOT. Please note that I have a COI as I was asked whether a deletion would be possible by Christa Gelpke's descendants. I strongly believe, though, that she is not notable as there is no broad media coverage about her and the other notability criteria for persons are also not met. Best, Conandcon ( talk) 09:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak Delete - there are sources, that much is clear, but they aren't great. Mostly passing mentions in articles about properties owned by her family, the mention in Forbes (which is accurate but routine and not particularly deep (and is mostly about her living relatives)), and some German-language sources which seem to also be passing mentions. Ultimately, notability is not inherited, even if her wealth was. Appreciate Conandcon's COI declaration but I feel this nomination would be just as valid from anyone else. I made some minor edits to the article for BLP compliance purposes but couldn't find anything of substance to add. Stlwart 111 12:21, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Gelpke's probably not notable and any slight notability that may exist probably doesn't outweigh her descendants' wish for deletion. Furius ( talk) 02:50, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy Keep per WP:CSK point 1 and WP:EARLY; nominator believes best process forward is to WP:CLEANUP with WP:REF as the article now appears to pass WP:GNG in light of new references. ( non-admin closure) Mxtt.prior ( talk) 08:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Likely fails WP:GNG. Specifically fails WP:ORGCRIT as there does not appear to be 'significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.' Beyond manuals or how-to guides for the product (which currently make up the only references on the page), brief research suggests there does not appear to be notable independent source coverage of the product. Mxtt.prior ( talk) 08:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Keep – there are multiple articles that I think make the flight recorder notable: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]K4rolB ( talk) 08:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Agreed. Also, it is supported by plenty of companies, including Oracle, SAP, Red Hat, Datadog and others. Also, the sibling project OpenJDK JMC, which is used to visualize the recordings, is released by multiple vendors for example:
  • Eclipse Mission Control | Adoptium
  • Azul Mission Control - Azul | Better Java Performance, Superior Java Support
  • Oracle JDK Mission Control (JMC) (java.net)
  • Liberica Mission Control | BellSoft Java (bell-sw.com)
What can I do to conclude this? Mhirt ( talk) 20:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply
It's an open source project, under OpenJDK ( https://github.com/openjdk). Mhirt ( talk) 10:58, 28 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Is there anything else I need to do to conclude this discussion? Mhirt ( talk) 20:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. plicit 14:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:JOURNALIST and WP:GNG. TheBirdsShedTears ( talk) 07:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 02:33, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to meet any notability guideline. Nowhere near WP:GNG. Hitro talk 06:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. plicit 14:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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I did my due diligence regarding research and this school, but, I cannot figure out how it passes WP:GNG (let alone WP:ORG). Yes, there were some brief mentions about one event with a lawsuit, but, that doesn't even qualify under Wikipedia:Notability (events).

All the other sourcing I found were passing mentions about alumni (usually football players).

I'll gladly withdraw if we can prove notability here, but, at this time I believe Excel Christian School fails to meet our notability guidelines for inclusion in Wikipedia. Missvain ( talk) 05:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. Missvain you are right, it looks like this article underwent massive deletions and WP:REVDEL for copyvio, leaving a skeleton that doesn't qualify for GNG. I did find 5 articles on newspapers.com and listed them at the bottom of the article's talk page. Those should help qualify the subject under WP:EXIST WP:NEXIST to meet GNG, as long as the school is not-for-profit, which I think most religious schools are. because I just noticed the claim that it is a 501(c)3 nonprofit, so not required to qualify for NORG under WP:NSCHOOL. There is also statistical info on the NCES site that won't help the GNG argument, but which is useful to fill out somme infobox data. There were probably 5 more articles about the lawsuit involving international student athletes, already well-covered in the existing remains. There was also one on a special class offered at the school on forensic science which was probably a one-off, not a feature of the school's curricular approach. I apologize I haven't time this week to read and summarize and try for WP:HEY, but IRL I have grandkids arriving and need to batten down some hatches. I'll check back later this week if I have time. Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 11:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Comment: I added 7 sources that meet GNG requirements, and added other sources that are not in depth but do verify othr data mentioned in the article. Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 22:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus that there's a dearth of any reliable secondary sources that can be located. Nosebagbear ( talk) 01:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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After a search for sources, the only ones that come up seem to be the lab's own website and passing mentions in the "authors' institutions" sections of publications. Lack of external coverage in multiple reliable, independent secondary sources means that the group does not meet WP:GNG. DanCherek ( talk) 16:31, 1 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was transwiki to Wikisource. Those arguing to keep have failed to demonstrate that this topic meets WP:NLIST. King of ♥ 05:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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This is a tough one. A list of admiralty charts may well be a good subject for an article, and a lot of work has gone into this one. However, there is nothing special about the 1967 situation, catalogues were produced each year it seems and the choice for the 1967 one is completely random. Simply moving this to List of UK Admiralty Charts would be wrong though, as it is a very outdated snapshot only. While this is at AfD, perhaps draftifying would be the best solution, and there let people turn it into a general list instead of this specific one? No idea if someone would be interested in this work, but simply keeping it in the mainspace as is, isn't a good idea either. Fram ( talk) 09:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply

(This comment added later): to be clear, the reason for deletion is a total lack of notability for the 1967 list of charts specifically. The remainder of my comments above were thoughts on how the work that went into this one could somehow be reused to create an article that is acceptable, but I should have explicitly stated my initial deletion argument. Fram ( talk) 10:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Speedy Keep per WP:NOTCLEANUP. This is obviously a spinoff or appendix to Admiralty chart. It seems to be the only year detailed but this makes it a good example of what would be produced in such a year in the pre-Internet era. Examples are appropriate and helpful in understanding the topic and so quite valid. Deletion would be disruptive and the nomination doesn't even seem to be suggesting this – just musing about various approaches to development. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • No, I suggest deletion, but some of it may be reused in another article if someone is up to the task, so userfication/draftification may be a good solution as well. We don't do "example" articles, and this list doesn't even show what was produced that year, just what they still had in stock. No idea what the relevance is of "such a year in the pre-internet era", or why this 300K "example" would help anyone understand the topic any better than perhaps stating how many different charts were produced and how many are still available, with some examples (or else with a full list of all produced charts, not what was available in a random year). Fram ( talk) 09:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • Yes, we use examples all the time as these are helpful in explaining unfamiliar topics such as this. They may take the form of separate pages, especially if they are images, and that's just a technical detail of implementation, not some fundamental issue or problem. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:17, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
        • Some examples of what you mean? I'm not really familiar with what you claim here. Separate pages of random examples with no notability on their own, but which are kept because they are examples? No, doesn't seem that common at all. Fram ( talk) 10:20, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
          • Well I am familiar with this, having worked on topics such as Arthur Beale and Stanfords where they sold such charts. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
            • I guess any competent admin who closes this discussion will then dismiss your !vote as utterly unsupported. Your choice. Fram ( talk) 10:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
              • Fram's incessant badgering demonstrates that this is best closed speedily per WP:BLUDGEON. And now it seems that they are moving the goalposts. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
                • Incessant badgering? You claimed that we have plenty of examples of such articles, but when asked to provide some, you started about your personal experience of shops selling these charts. If you don't want your arguments to be scrutinized and criticised, then make sure that they are correct and well-supported (and visibly so for others), and improve them were needed. E.g. when Thincat rightly argues that my opening statement didn't contain any claims about notability, I acknowledged this and corrected that oversight. That's hardly "moving the goalposts" but what these discussions are actually for. If you want to make ivory towers declarations which are infallible and may not be questioned, then make them on your talk page but don't try this in deletion discussions. But feel free to raise this AfD at WP:ANI and request this to be speedy deleted per WP:BLUDGEON, we'll see how it goes. Fram ( talk) 11:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and for me the decision doesn't seem tough at all. We need to start somewhere - presumably one article about a particular Olympic Games appeared before any of the others. We don't, and shouldn't, delete articles merely because Wikipedia is incomplete. How can moving to draft possibly help? The state of the article is perfectly clear and no one will be misled. Thincat ( talk) 10:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • But that one particular Olympic Game was obviously notable. How is the list of which charts were available in 1967 a notable subject? Has this year in particular received significant attention? Per your reasoning, you would be happy if people started making the same list for all other years as well (which would then nicely invalidate the above speedy keep of course). The reason for deletion is not "because Wikipedia is incomplete", that is a nice strawman. The reason for deletion is because the 1967 catalogue is not a notable subject at all. The only reason I raised draftification and so on was because some of the contents of this non-notable sbject article could perhaps be reused by someone else to create an article on a notable subject. Apparently I shouldn't have tried to be accommodating and thinking about this, and should simply have advocated straight-forward Delete, fails WP:N instead. Fram ( talk) 10:17, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • The idea that the topic isn't notable wasn't raised at all in your nomination. I thought you were finding a problem of principle in this sort of article. Thincat ( talk) 10:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
        • You're right, I should have added that at the start. I'll do this now (but will note that I added it) so other commenters aren't confused. It was the basis for my nomination, but what I wrote down were my further thoughts on the issue only. Fram ( talk) 10:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply

As the one who put in the work to tabulate this, I obviously wish to see it kept. Yes, it's a snapsot, but of a pretty slow-moving scene. As you can see from the edition dates these charts remained in use for decades. A listing of this sort every 20 years or so would come close to giving comprehensive coverage. The choice of 1967 is not exactly random. It is the only global catalogue since 1914 that is available on the internet, and the 1914 one: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/332262/UKHO-1914-Archives-Catalogue.pdf is of too poor quality for OCR. If more become available I will be happy to tabluate them! Until then, the listing is, I agree, not comprehensive. As others have pointed out, citing WP:NOTCLEANUP that is not in itself a sufficient reason for deletion. Also citing NOTCLEANUP, "Remember that there is no deadline". I suggest the question might be "is it useful?" For me, as one interested in all things nautical, it certainly is (and will continue to be so even if no longer on WP). I suspect there are others like me who find this valuable. Why should they be deprived of it? No-one has suggested that the information is not reliable or properly sourced. As for notability, I'd written most of this before seeing the last posts. It's a bit difficult to make a case when the ground seems to be shifting... But if the topic of Admiralty Charts is notable, it's difficult to see how an index that helps people to find the chart they are looking for is not notable. Kognos ( talk) 12:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply

It's not a simple replication. What makes it useful (to me) is the fact that the list is sorted by chart number. Kognos ( talk) 15:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • move to Wikisource I agree that there is some value here, but nonetheless it is a transcription of a primary source. The admiralty offers on their website an almost identical listing of the current charts in the form of a spreadsheet. This is exactly the sort of thing that Wikisource was intended to hold, and it's way outside our purview as an encyclopedia and not a collection of primary texts. Mangoe ( talk) 01:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Transwiki to Wikisource. Why the hell would we simply delete something of this quality that took so much work to make? As has been pointed out, this is a significant year for the charts, and being sorted by chart number; sad to imagine it being washed away for essentially no good reason. jp× g 04:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep: This is a very valuable source of information and is exactly what Wikipedia is for. Also WP:NOTCLEANUP per others. Dr. Universe ( talk) 20:42, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, if a list of all charts is to be considered notable, this snippet of that list ought to be considered notable too. It appears Kognos is keen to work on this subject area more, so coverage will improve over time if this is kept. I would also support a move to Wikisource if the only alternative being considered is deletion. NemesisAT ( talk) 20:50, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply

You'll not be surprised that I would prefer a move to Wikisource to complete deletion, nor that I would prefer to keep this as a WP article. The article was reviewed back in February, so at least one reviewer found it notable. What now? This is the first time I've been in this kind of discussion. Are we now waiting for an Adminstror to adjudicate? Kognos ( talk) 22:55, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. The notability of the overall topic is not in question, and in Kognos we have an editor who is likely to expand our coverage in this area. I think the claim that there is no particular notability for the 1967 charts fails for two reasons: (1) we have to start somewhere, and there's no reason to disparage 1967 as a starting point, and (2) Kognos has actually provided us with a perfectly cogent reason why 1967's charts are good ones to start with. Sourcing strikes me as fine, and anyone interested in this area would find this index (and indices for other years) useful. RomanSpa ( talk) 08:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Neither of your two points addresses WP:N in any way though: 1967 is taken because it is available online, and "we have to start somewhere", are not indicators of notability at all, but of convenience only. This "index", this rewriting of primary source material, belongs, as has correctly been stated by others, at Wikisource, where it is welcome and would be just as useful as here (and where the same list for other years could also be added if people wanted this), but where it would actually be in scope of the project. Fram ( talk) 08:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      The notable subject is Admiralty chart. We could merge this content into that article, but it's easily too large to be suitable, so it should stay as a separate article. NemesisAT ( talk) 09:06, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • There are a few leaps in that reasoning. Even if this list was a lot smaller, it would be WP:UNDUE for the main article, as there is no reason there either to have a catalogue of what was available in 1967 (we e.g. don't make such lists for general publishers either: a list of new publications, by year, may be notable (depending on subject, sourcing, ...), but a list of everything still available in a certain year would never be accepted for any publisher. And as it wouldn't even be acceptable in the main article (for other reasons than size), it definitely isn't acceptable as a spin-off standalone article. Fram ( talk) 09:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
        • The relevance of the 1967 list goes way beyond the year 1967. An example: I'm in Morecambe right now, and can see a light flashing each 15 seconds. It's the Walney lighthouse, 14 miles to the west. The lighthouse is shown on chart No 2010, first published in 1873 (it's on Commons) which is on the 1967 list along with the 1963 edition. Chart 2010 of Morecambe Bay is still in print. So information on the 1967 list is relevant over a period of nearly 150 years. Admiralty charts are an important historical resource, and the list provides a useful index to that resource. Kognos ( talk) 21:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
          • Uh, that gives zero relevance to the 1967 list: it barely gives relevance to the charts in general (well, the charts are obviously notable, but the fact that a geographic feature is shown on a map or chart doesn't give that map any notability). Giving this example as a reason to have this 1967 catalogue on Wikipedia is not convincing at all. Fram ( talk) 07:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep We see that this discussion has not been speedily closed but has been relisted instead. And it will, of course, be kept in perpetuity as we never seem to delete such chuntering. Anyway, as we are invited to say more, let me register a !vote. The page should be kept because it passes WP:LISTN per sources such as An Abridged List of the Admiralty Charts; British Admiralty Charts; Sea Charts of the British Isles; The Admiralty Chart: British Naval Hydrography; The Charting of the Oceans; The Admiralty chart: Trends in content and design; 200 years of Admiralty charts and surveys; Changing the Admiralty Chart; &c. Applicable policies include: WP:ATD; WP:PRESERVE and, of course, WP:NOTPAPER! Andrew🐉( talk) 08:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Per WP:NOTAVOTE, these are not votes and that why they are conventionally called !votes. My original entry above was procedural in calling for speedy closure of the discussion. As that has not been done and fresh input has been called for instead, I am making a more substantive contribution while putting a bold summary for the general convenience of the discussion's readership. The issue of WP:BLUDGEON still seems relevant though. Andrew🐉( talk) 08:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Ridiculous. And wrong, of course, as usual. Andhighly ironical: your "notavote" says "polling is not a substitute for discussion.", but when people try to have a discussion adressing your arguments, you refuse this per "bludgeon". If it's not a vote and not a discussion, then it's just an Andrew-knows-better dictatorship I guess? Too bad that it doesn't seem to work, perhaps because your !votes are meaningless. You above try to use WP:LISTN as a reason to keep this, and then give a number of sources which don't address the list topic (the 1967 catalogue of the then available charts) at all. Fram ( talk) 09:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Weak delete- as above it's not clear why 1967 of all dates has been singled out in this way, and the whole concept of the list seems to fall afoul of WP:NOTDIR. Wikisource would be a better place for this data dump. Reyk YO! 12:47, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. If I understand this right, Kognos's critical point here is that the list is useful on the wiki because it can be sorted by chart number. Wikisource allows for this feature, so, if the consensus here is to delete, the content can simply be moved there. The closer might first want to provisionally userfy the article, in recognition of Kognos's work on it, and that it is not lost to him and others interested. Now, a transcription of another work without the required coverage in secondary sources is not encyclopedic, and it must be demonstrated that this article can develop further if it's to be kept. Moving to Wikisource may be the best course of action. Avilich ( talk) 14:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete this is INDISCRIMINATE. The concept of Admiralty charts is notable, but I see no argument that the full 4000-entry table of contents is wiki-notable. If the content is permitted by copyright to be on Wikisource, it can be there. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, as this concept overall is obviously notable, and we have to start somewhere. Jackattack1597 ( talk) 10:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 02:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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This article is an example of WP:NOTNEWS. The only source is from one CNN investigation; there's zero widespread coverage. –– FORMALDUDE( talk) 06:12, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. This is a blatant hoax, deleted per CSD G3 HighInBC Need help? Just ask. 06:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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A promotional spam article for a non notable actor. The creator is removing the CSD tag which I put two times without giving any reason at all. So I brought it here. The creator copied contents from Ranbir Kapoor and pasted it in this article [20]. Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 06:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. BD2412 T 02:06, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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BLP of a businessman who has had a successful career, but I don’t see anything that makes him notable. He’s had important jobs and won some awards that don’t seem notable the article appears to be a promotional profile. Mccapra ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Appears to meet WP:PROF and/or WP:NAUTHOR. King of ♥ 04:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The discusison on whether the subject meets GNG/NPROF has been very long and held in at least two places ( Talk:Norman K. Risjord and Template:Did you know nominations/Norman K. Risjord), producing walls of text. As far as I can say, proponents of his notability point out to him receiving Fulbright Program (twice?) as arguments for meeting NPROF #2&5; there are also claims he meets NPROF #1&7 and even GNG. I don't find any of these convinng, sadly. Nobody has written even a biography paragraph about him (that's independent), there's no SIGCOV, Fulbright Program IMHO doesn't meet NPROF requirements for significant awards, and his citation count is average. Now, in all honesty, I think NPROF should be more inclusive, (since our guidelines for sportspeople, for example, seem to have much lower threshold, and tightening them is impossible due to number of fans they have) but until it is, I think borderline cases like this need to be discussed (particularly as this is being promoted as DYK). Since other venues have been exhausted and discussion stalled at what I believe is no consensus, and recent comments at DYK suggested AfD is the final way to decide this, here we go. For the record, while I consider Risjord a respectable academic, I also feel he belongs to the group of "people doing their work" without, unfortunately, achieving notability (not all professors are notable). Hopefully in the near future he either receives some career-level awards OR some other scholar decies to write up a bio of him (hopefully, pre-obituary, not to sound morbid, but this is often when academics like this become notable, once their obits are published by their former students in peer reviewed works...). Pinging editors involved in this: @ Gwillhickers, Narutolovehinata5, The Four Deuces, TheVirginiaHistorian, and Randykitty: Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:58, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Agree with the nominator. There are insufficient sources to provide any useful information for a biography. What approach did he take to his subjects? Did his views change over time? Are his books still useful today, or have they been overtaken by new research? I notice that no books discuss his opinions, so they have no historical significance. TFD ( talk) 06:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Although I was the editor who suggested that the article be taken to AFD, I am inhibiting from !voting as admittedly I am not very well-versed in WP:NPROF. Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 06:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep He meets wp:AUTHOR #3. Several of his books have been reviewed by noted journals. Thriley ( talk) 07:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Thriley, Could you cite the best reviews of his work? By that, I don't mean positive, they can be critical, but the ones published in most reputable media? When citing them, can you also link them? Vast majority of English scholarship should be digitized so links should be possible to find (sadly, they are not included in his article, which hampers verification). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
INSERT.  Done Of course Risjord’s importance is only partially reflected in the notability displayed whenever he published a new book in his field of academic concentration.
--- His 1961 publication of 1812: Conservatives, War Hawks, and the Nation’s Honor was reviewed in the W&M Quarterly, and it also gave place for Risjord’s article of the same title: in the William and Mary Quarterly, Jan 1961 Vol 18, No 2. By W.C. Eccles, p. 95, and it also gave place for Risjord’s article of the same title, April 1961 Vol 12, No 1. By Norman K. Risjord
Subsequent works received even more notice at publication, as Risjord's prominence in the field grew.
- Builders of Annapolis:Enterprise and Politics (1969, reprinted in 1997 – a WP proof of notability) was reviewed in three (3) scholarly journals of WP notability: the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Winter 1999 Vol 107, No 1. By James D. Kornwolf, p. 99; in the William and Mary Quarterly, Oct 1998 Vol 55, No 4. By David J. Jordan, p. 627; in the Journal of Southern History, May 1999 Vol 65, No 2. By Elaine G. Breslaw, p. 382.
- Old Republicans: Southern Conservatism in the age of Jefferson (1965) was reviewed in ten (10): the William and Mary Quarterly, Jul 1966 Vol 23, No 3. by Marvin Meyers, p. 487; reviewed in the Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, May 1966 Vol 365, No 4. by J. Leonard Bates, p. 208; in the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Apr 1966 Vol 74, No 2. by Harry Ammon, p. 222; in the Journal of Southern History, Feb 1966 Vol 32, No 1. by Paul Goodman, p. 99; in the Indiana Magazine of History, Sep 1966 Vol 62, No 3. by Norman S. Cohen, p. 265; in the American Historical Review, Apr 1966 Vol 71, No 3. by Noble E. Cunningham, Jr., p. 1062; in the North Carolina Historical Review, Apr 1966 Vol 43, No 2. by Daniel M. McFarland, p. 1062; in the Catholic Historical Review, Oct 1968 Vol 54, No 3. By Sister Laurita Gibson, p. 533; in the Southwest Social Science Quarterly, Sep 1966 Vol 47, No 2. by Don Higginbotham, p. 207; in the Southwest Social Science Quarterly, Sep 1966 Vol 47, No 2. by Bertil L. Hanson, p. 210; in the History, 1967 Vol 52, No 175. by Geoffrey Seed, p. 247; in the English Historical Review, Jan 1968 Vol 83, No 326. by J.R. Pole, p. 201; in The Historian, Aug 1966 Vol 28, No 4. by J.R. Pole, p. 677.
- Chesapeake Politics 1781-1800 (1978) was reviewed in ten (10) including Lance Banning: the Reviews in American History, Dec 1979 Vol 7, No 4. By Lance Banning, p. 499; in the American Historical Review, Oct 1979 Vol 84, No 4. By Richard Buel, Jr., p. 1147; in the Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, Jul 1979 Vol 103, No 3. By Richard J. Cox, p. 499; in the North Carolina Historical Review, Apr 1980 Vol 57, No 2. By John A. Munroe, p. 231; in the Journal of Southern History, Aug 1979 Vol 45, No 3. By Frank A. Cassell, p. 431; in the Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, May 1979 Vol 443, by W.T. Generous, Jr, p. 175; in the William and Mary Quarterly, Apr 1980 Vol 37, No 2. By David A. Bohmer, p. 328; in the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Oct 1979 Vol 87, No 4. by George Green Shackelford, p. 231; in the Journal of Economic History, Mar 1980 Vol 40, No 1, The Tasks of Economic History., by Allan Kulikoff, p. 207; in the Journal of American History, Mar 1980 Vol 66, No 4, , by James H. Broussard, p. 915.
- Thomas Jefferson (American Profiles Series) (1994) was reviewed in at least eight (8), including by notables Lance Banning, and Willard Sterne Randall: the Journal of Southern History, Nov 1995 Vol 61, No 4. by Norman G. Ralford, p. 791; reviewed in the Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, Jul 1995 Vol 119, No 3. by Eugene R. Sheridan, Willard Sterne Randall,p. 266; reviewed in the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Jul 1995 Vol 103, No 3. by Constance B. Schulz, p. 379; reviewed in the American Historical Review, Oct 1995 Vol 103, No 4. by Lance Banning, p. 1293; in the North Carolina Historical Review, Jan 1995 Vol 72, No 1. by Ronald Schultz, p. 107; in the Journal of the Early Republic, Winter 1994 Vol 72, No 1. by Mary Young, p. 567; in the Journal of American History, Winter 1994 Vol 72, No 1. by Willard Sterne Randall, p. 215.
- Jefferson’s America, 1760-1815 was reviewed in the Journal of the Early Republic, and in the Journal of Southern History by notable Joseph J. Ellis: the Journal of the Early Republic, and in the Journal of Southern History by notable Joseph J. Ellis: Reviewed in the Journal of the Early Republic, Spring 1992 Vol 18, No 2. By Steven Watts, p. 95; and the Journal of Southern History, Nov 1993 Vol 59, No 4. By Joseph J. Ellis, p. 743.
- Risjord’s academic notability is further confirmed in the scholarly important journals publishing his articles, EACH OF THESE JOURNALS are noteworthy enough at Wikipedia to merit their own stand-alone articles: William and Mary Quarterly, 1961, 1974, 1976, 1992; Southern Historical Association, 1967; Journal of American History 1974a, 1974b; Wisconsin Magazine of History 2001, 2004, 2005a, 2005b.
- Risjord’s scholarly esteem among his peers is also reflected in the list of academic journals that recognized Risjord’s notability by asking for him to review at least 46 monographs in 12 scholarly journals, including for those which have stand-alone articles on Wikipedia.
TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 13:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • I think that means that there are multiple articles about an author's body of work, not just that individual books were reviewed. So for example we can verify that Stephen King is notable, even if no one has written his biography, because there many articles about his body of work, not just reviews for individual books. If we just had a few brief reviews of several of King's novels, especially if they were unrepresentative of his works, we couldn't create an objective article about him. TFD ( talk) 07:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
(1) E.P. Thompson was a British political leader that gained his work notoriety beyond academia. There are but three (3) journal reviews for his foremost polemic, The Making of the English Working Class, not Risjord’s ten (10), not Risjord's multiple publications with ten academic journal reviews over 32+ years.
- The only sourcing for a career critique of C.L.R. James is a YouTube trailer, and an author-centric online portal, neither is peer-reviewed reliable sourcing of internationally recognized scholarship, such as that related to a Fulbright SCHOLAR 'lectureship' of the 1950s and 1980s, or its 'prestigious scholar' of the 2020s, "the most prestigious award presented by the [Fulbright] Foundation".
(2) As to criteria #7. "The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." - Both Marxist polemicists Thompson and James whose work is under comparison here, earned their widest bona fides OUTSIDE of academia. [They are in their own right “notable” intellectuals, though not wp:notability (academic) to the same extent demonstrated here for Risjord and in the article Norman K. Risjord].
- A two-year old socialist start up magazine with a self-published subscription of 75,000 has just now continued an online podcast on James for one (1) year. However it is not peer reviewed, versus Risjord, who notability broadcast his lectures on independent NPR Wisconsin Public Radio for twenty-two (22) years, sponsored by an accredited university.
- NPR here gives an “independent assessment of the scholar’s notability” over a continuing twenty-two (22) year period. - s/ TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 19:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
@ TheVirginiaHistorian Can you add URLs to those reviews? In the article will be better, no need to do so here. I'd like to read a few. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Piotrus(A) At JSTOR home online, you can register for free to read 100 articles a month. Just search on each article title as cited in this thread, and you've got it in full. (B) There is also a Wikipedia link you can use on this page, set your cursor at the top of this page and search "JSTOR", and the first 'hit' is the Wikipedia link to JSTOR. Also, I can also search my notes . . . TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 08:04, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
I know, it's mostly about best practices. Each review should be a separate footnote, with its own cite journal template, and with url parameter filled in. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
INSERT. 1812: Conservatives, War Hawks, and the Nation’s Honor was cited independently for its notable influence in the field Cited, Indiana Magazine of History, vol. 75, No.1 March 1979, p.70 by Donald R. Hickey; referenced in Journal of the Early Republic, Vol 5, No. 4 Winter 1985, p. 441 by Steven Edwin Siry. These are NOTABILITY (ACADEMIC) CRITERIA marks of lasting scholarship from the beginning of his career - 20 and 35 years AFTER this seminal scholarship WAS STILL INFLUENCING ACADEMIC WRITING IN THE FIELD;
- likewise the NOTABILITY (ACADEMIC) CRITERIA are fulfilled on yet another count, by scholarly publishers REPRINTING Risjord's monographs 7, 10, and 15 years AFTER their initial publication in multiple follow-on editions of the same important CONTINUING contributions to the scholarly field of his concentration, expertise and enduring notability - and not just on 'anniversary dates' that ALSO qualify for WP: ACADEMIC NOTABILITY. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 13:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  •  Done Piotrus: Someone somewhere said Risjord is "especially strong" as a 'professional scholar', versus the 'published-doctorate-scholar' who is panned in the same review on the same topic.
WP: academic notability, Criteria #1. "The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources."
- In an independent peer-reviewed scholarly journal with its own stand-alone (Start-class) article on Wikipedia, the Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, July, 1995, p. 266, Risjord's Thomas Jefferson is reviewed noting the seasoned professional scholar is "especially strong in showing how Jefferson managed to combine strong elements of classical republicanism and Lockean liberalism in his political ideology and in tracing how the balance between them constantly shifted under changing circumstances. ...Firmly in command of the sources, ...Risjord leads the reader authoritatively through the stages of Jefferson's career and provides a convincing assessment of his place in history." TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 12:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
keep clearly passes WP:NAUTHOR per excellent analysis by @ TheVirginiaHistorian:. I think TheVirginiaHistorian went above and beyond what is necessary here. Also some notability per WP:NPROF#1 given his high citation count on Google scholar (high for a historian). This seems like a pretty open and shut case. -- hroest 14:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • The problem is that despite his books having been reviewed, the editors working on the article have been unable to use them to add meaningful information. So for example, a review cited above says that Jefferson combined Lockean liberalism and civic republicanism. But how did he do this? Which of his policies fall into the two categories. Was his opinion exceptional or what everyone else was saying? Did it influence any other writers? Were any papers written about his views? Compare this with Bernard Bailyn, author of The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution. These articles outline how Bailyn challenged existing orthodoxy, what he proposed and what influence he had. We don't just say he was an important historian who had a lot of influence and leave it at that. TFD ( talk) 14:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • That's  Not done here. The Four Deuces, in the quoted review above for Risjord’s Thomas Jefferson, TFD: is the contribution meaningful?, Risjord is established in the review as “a seasoned professional scholar” in his field. In this monograph, Risjord showed Jefferson to combine both "classical republicanism" [representative governance versus monarchy, oligarchy, dictator] with "Lockean liberalism" [sovereignty of the people, right of self government as rule by those ruled], see wp:common knowledge.
- In Jefferson, Risjord shows TFD: how did he do this? Jefferson balanced between them, shifting their prominence in his thinking by giving them different weight in the scales “under changing circumstances.” TFD: which policies? The article to date is 'C-class' and as the particulars of Risjord’s contributions are outlined, it will certainly qualify for 'B-class' status. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 19:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
While liberalism and republicanism may be common knowledge terms, Lockean liberalism and classical (or civic) republicanism are not. The first was used by Louis Hartz, while the second was used by Bailyn in their competing theories of U.S. ideology. But Risjord never mentions these ideologies in his book. I suppose that when Jefferson agreed to continue Federalist policies he was being liberal, while when he praised yeomen farmers he was being republican. But we would need a reliable secondary source to analyze what Risjord meant. TFD ( talk) 21:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
We're getting side-tracked here. This forum is to decide whether to keep the article based on Notability. Risjord's views on Jefferson, etc, don't have any bearing on any of the criteria for academic notability. Risjord is noted for, among other things, his volumes of work, which are widely cited by hisrotians, regardless of any particular views these works may express. That is a side issue. This is not the forum to hash out the finer points of Risjord's views on any particular subject. You should take this discussion to Risjord Talk if you are interested in expanding the article in this area. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 00:31, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Notability means there is significant coverage that "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." In the source TVH provided, there is little detail and it requires original research to extract the content. Basically, you are unable to tell me anything about the subject other than that he wrote about U.S. history and his books were favorably reviewed. TFD ( talk) 06:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
We've been through this before, in DYK, in that RfC you initiated, and in Risjord Talk. As was done before, you're simply filling up the discussion with unresponsive repetitive talk. Risjord's notability is covered on several accounts in the article. As was explained for you, here and here, we need not cover the finer points of Risjord's views on particular subjects in the article to help bolster Risjord's overall notability. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 20:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
The Four Deuces POSTED BELOW at 20:27, 23 July 2021 - some ten hours prior to yours here,
(1) In John Ferling's, A leap in the Dark - The Struggle to Create the American Republic, (2003), p.269, he acknowledges and quotes a phrase coined by Risjord, i.e."Virginia's first political party" - - - In Jon Meacham's Pulitzer Prize winning book, Thomas Jefferson, (2012), he refers to Risjord eleven (11) times. Examples include lengthy excerpts from Risjord's work, Jefferson's America. p. 541.
(2) In a journal article, The Sectional Politics of Practical Republicanism, p. 441, by Steven Edwin Siry, ( JSTOR  3123061) it refers to Risjord's work, Election of 1812, as a major study, p. 441. --- On P. 446 Siry notes that "...however, with publications by Bradford Perkins and Norman K. Risjord, the viewpoint changed. Advocates of the new interpretation see NO significant sectionalism [fracturing] between a pro-war South and West and an anti-war North; rather, they emphasize the high degree of [intersectional majority] PARTY UNITY in the vote for war."
- Please try to keep up with current posting on the thread, it may otherwise appear to others that you sidetrack otherwise pertinent discussion related to Risjord's academic notability. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 07:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
As I mentioned before, you have been unable to use any of these references to provide meaningful information about Risjord and more importantly to add any of it to the article. So he coined the term "Virginia's first political party." Presumably since there are political parties in Virginia, there was a first political party. You need to explain the significance of his use of the term. For example, Seymour Martin Lipset coined the term "radical right" to describe a strain of politics in the U.S. and there is a whole article that explains what he meant, who adopted the term, criticisms of the term, which movements it applies to etc. TFD ( talk) 08:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
 Done The Four Deuces every reference provides meaningful information about Risjord, and each provides material to add to the article to promote it from C-class to B-class status.
(1) While in the abstract we can see ONCE elites in legislature caucus, a "party-as-A", THEN they were redefined socially as mass political movements across social classes, "party-as-B", Risjord is the American historian who located the transition in time and how it occurred among Virginia society in a way that brought him immediate and continuing prominence in his academic field of scholarship.
(2) His notability was such that in the same issue of his book reviewed in an academic journal, he was given prominence in the same issue to author a full length article of the same title, a remarkable achievement unequalled by Seymour Martin Lipset. Like Lipset, Risjord coined a phrase that is widely used today in the particular meaning he gave to it in his scholarship.
- Yes, there should be an additional Wikipedia article on "political party" as elites in legislature caucus developing into "political" party as mass movement amalgamating social classes in a multi-cultural community into an ideological political party that can win elections and majority rule in government for six presidential elections with Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
(3) Risjord's notability is continuously demonstrated in his field. In the example here, Jon Meacham's 2013 Pulitzer Prize-winning book, Thomas Jefferson: The Art of Power cites Risjord eleven (11) times and quotes extensive passages from Risjord's 2009 Jefferson's America 1750-1815 directly. Meacham leans on Risjord for Risjord's ground-breaking scholarship on cultural continuities, social history of the common soldier, and the roles blacks and women played in both the Revolution and the War of 1812. Risjord's emphasis on social history from the 1950s was later adopted by American Marxists as they dropped economic determination as a central tenet of historical interpretation after 1989, which is also part of Risjord's influence in American historiography (although among American Marxists, the Stalinist 'vanguard' had been previously challenged by Trotsky and C.L.R. James promoting a widely based party of mass participation using liberal democracy as an analytical 'stage of history'.
(4) Risjord successfully observed in influential monographs and journal articles, and so persuaded other mainstream contributors to American historiography, that a majority of the majority party in all sections of the country as represented in Congress did vote for war against the British in the War of 1812, "the Second American Revolution". And in so doing, they demonstrated a significant party unity in action, unlike the previous historiography emphasizing sectionalism of the New Englander Federalist outvoted minority (later the Hartford Convention). In this, Risjord was a seminal innovator in American historical thought who contributed to the scholarship based on "cliometrics", data from political and economic sources rather letters and diaries alone for clues about the past and how people interacted together. While there were certainly sectional differences and rivalries to be found attested to in the personal papers and public addresses by Members of Congress, looking at who voted for war from where led Risjord to read into the speeches, letters and diaries of those voting for war as topic-centered research, rather than elevating any sectional emphasis of the subject of one's own doctoral dissertation to the exclusion of the whole story, rewriting book after book about 'your man' for an academic career. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 09:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Again, you need to show that you can put these snippets together into an informative article. So far, you have not done this. That's probably because it cannot be done without substantial synthesis. So we have an article that says the subject was notable but provides no evidence of this. TFD ( talk) 10:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
wp:Synthesis is nowhere proposed, AND it is  Not done anywhere in the article.
Agree. contributors to the article can elaborate article sections, and extend existing descriptive narrative to advance the article status from C-class to B-class. But there is NO justification found in any Wikipedia guideline or policy to delete any C-class articles until they are advanced to B-class-worthy in an editor's sandbox before publishing it in Wikipedia mainspace.
Readers find the existing article as written with multiple secondary wp:reliable sources that provide independent third party critiques demonstrating Norman K. Risjord is a scholar of wp:notability (academic). No, the article does not assert authority as a reliable source quoting itself with unsupported assertions, it footnotes to notable scholars publishing feature length critical book reviews in peer-reviewed academic journals.
(1) At wp:BASIC, we find, People are presumed notable [with] significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject, as the several dozen journal citations provided that all attest to Risjord's notability. Nor has any editor in the article discussions every found any ONE or several among the 50 or so journal reviews that dismisses Risjord's scholarly work in over 80 days of discussion.
(2) The General Notability Guideline continues that in the event there is not an independent monograph reporting on the life of the scholar, "...then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." so, EDITORS HAVE BEEN MISTAKEN to insist on a monograph from an academic publisher dedicated to the scholarship of Norman K. Risjord. There are over 40 scholarly reviews, across academic journals of (a) three (3) historic periods, (b) three (3) specialty fields of history, political science, and economics, and (c) three (3) geographies of the United States, the American South and the state of Virginia. These "multiple independent sources" do NOT militate against maintaining the Risjord article, it justifies maintaining it here at Wikipedia at cited and linked here. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 23:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ The Four Deuces: this is the wrong place to discuss how to structure the article, please use the article talk page for your discussion with TheVirginiaHistorian. This page is to determine whether the subject is notable for inclusion in Wikipedia or not. -- hroest 16:20, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Hannes Röst, see General notability guideline: ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." The fact that that it is impossible to write this article without using original research to tie together the brief mentions of the author is why it fails notability. The proof is that after substantial effort, editors have not been able to add anything from these sources other than that the writer was well regarded. Instead of saying, "Wow, that's a lot of sources, he must notable," take time to read some of them and see if you can have better success. Citations incidentally don't establish notability when they are merely used to support facts and no mention is made of the author or his work. TFD ( talk) 16:38, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ The Four Deuces: while you are correct for the GNG, what actually applies here are the WP:NPROF guidelines which state This guideline is independent from the other subject-specific notability guidelines, such as WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:AUTH, etc., and is explicitly listed as an alternative to the general notability guideline so therefore the GNG does not apply. Once we have established this, we can read that WP:NPROF does not require significant coverage. So your analysis is correct if the article would fall under GNG, but since it falls under WP:NPROF none of what you said applies here. Additionally, per WP:NPROF you can use non-independent sources such as this so I dont see the problem with writing an article about him. -- hroest 17:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Several of his works appear to have received multiple independent reviews, which qualifies him via NAUTHOR #3. However, I'm not sure what the extent of the coverage of these reviews is -- if they're just blurbs or mentions or citations of a book then that wouldn't count. TheVirginiaHistorian, can you clarify the content of some of these reviews? JoelleJay ( talk) 17:54, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  •  Done The reviews are NOT 'blurbs'. Rather, they feature-length book reviews in peer-reviewed academic journals, as cited above with pagination. Each journal is a wp:reliable source, each critically establishes (a) the scholar’s importance or lack thereof in the historiographic field, (b) the strength of the monograph’s contribution to the literature, and (c) any context for exceptional scholarship revealing new interpretation. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 19:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • TheVirginiaHistorian, I saw your above references for the reviews, however I do not have access to most of them so I can't actually evaluate them for myself, and it's not clear from your citation style that any of them are more than one page. That's why I asked whether they were blurbs -- something contained on only one page could be a substantial review, but it could also just be a paragraph description or name-drop. JoelleJay ( talk) 04:03, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • JoelleJay(A) At JSTOR home online, you can register for free to read 100 articles a month. Just search on each article title as cited in this thread, and you've got it in full. (B) There is also a Wikipedia link you can use on this page, set your cursor at the top of this page and search "JSTOR", and the first 'hit' is the Wikipedia link to JSTOR. Also, I can also search my notes . . . TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 08:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep A significant number of reviews have been provided, and it looks like he more than meets requirements as an author and academic. Side note: I'm coming over here from DYK and Academic notability is not my strong suit but I wanted to weigh in. editor identifies at edit history BuySomeApples
  • Keep. Risjord's body of work meets wp:notability (academic) criteria #1, #2, #5, and #7. - - - Recall from the previous discussion by Gwillhickers, impact on Risjord's scholarly field:
(1) In John Ferling's, A leap in the Dark - The Struggle to Create the American Republic, (2003), p.269, he acknowledges and quotes a phrase coined by Risjord, i.e."Virginia's first political party" - - - In Jon Meacham's Pulitzer Prize winning book, Thomas Jefferson, (2012), he refers to Risjord eleven (11) times. Examples include lengthy excerpts from Risjord's work, Jefferson's America. p. 541.
(2) In a journal article, The Sectional Politics of Practical Republicanism, p. 441, by Steven Edwin Siry, ( JSTOR  3123061) it refers to Risjord's work, Election of 1812, as a major study, p. 441. --- On P. 446 Siry notes that "...however, with publications by Bradford Perkins and Norman K. Risjord, the viewpoint changed. Advocates of the new interpretation see NO significant sectionalism [fracturing] between a pro-war South and West and an anti-war North; rather, they emphasize the high degree of [intersectional majority] PARTY UNITY in the vote for war."
s/ TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 20:27, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
ERRATA INSERT. The profound misunderstanding and unverified assertions found in the Piotrus edit of 9:44, 24 July 2021 confuses a scholarly lecture as described and cited to a reliable independent source in the Wisconsin State Journal. Madison, Wisconsin Plato Lectures for seniors are neither hosting a talk show guest on air, nor sitting as an interview guest on a radio talk show.
Regardless, the Wisconsin Public Radio editorial judgment to sponsor the on-air lecture series for 28 years meets the Criterion #7 for wp:notability (academic), "The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." It matters little if a POV supposes that providing free publicly available higher education in Madison WI is a "hobby, with very little impact". The Madison Wisconsin, Wisconsin State Journal disagreed, a reliable source for the Madison Wisconsin community 1950-2019, the period of time that concerns us in this thread. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 23:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Piotrus : Referring to Risjord's effort as merely a "side job" unfairly understates matters. The "show" Risjord hosted lasted 22 years. The forum consisted of Professor Risjord's lectures, at the University of Wisconsin, on various topics in early American history broadcasted over NPR public radio. This was highly unusual and distinguishing for a history professor. The article says.. "in 1967 he began broadcasting his classroom lectures over NPR Wisconsin Public Radio, furthering the University's commitment to contribute to the education of every household in the state of Wisconsin. These continued periodically until 1989".  This effort alone well establishes criteria 7. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 20:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 01:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you, TJMSmith. The article does NOT qualify for Articles for Deletion WP:AFD.
- a. It can be fixed through normal editing, C.1 It is not a candidate for AfD.
- b. It is recently created, C.2 Editors are to allow contributors time to develop the article.
- c. Links in the article and at the AfD discussion this week demonstrate adequate existing sources, D.3 If the main concern is notability, the fix is extended narrative with additional sources.
Of special interest will be new contributions on Risjord’s work as assessed in scholarly journal reviews by scholars with WP:Notability in Risjord’s academic field: 1) Lance Banning, 2) Paul Goodman, 3) Willard Sterne Randall, and 4) Joseph J. Ellis.
- s/ TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 10:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you, Pburka. All contributors acknowledge there is more to be done to develop the Norman K. Risjord as written to date. The article has a C-class status. However, as noted at wp:article development, ANY C-class status article:
- a. provides more than ENOUGH INFORMATION for the casual reader, but it does NOT meet WP:ASSESS B-class requirement as a professional encyclopedia article.
- b. needs ADDITIONAL editing to close gaps in content, i.e. TFD noted as collegial editorial direction to contributors, for the to-do list: compare and contrast the historiography of the subject to other scholars before, during and after his career.
- c. has RELIABLY SOURCED citations but some may require cleanup.
- s/ TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 10:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Actually, the article is rated at B class, as it meets all the criteria for that class - remembering that article class has no bearing on notability or AFD matters. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 18:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Sorry, old news that has been superceded since my last inspection. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 22:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • That's not my name, and this forum is called Articles for Deletion, not Articles for Reclassification. If you don't think it meets the criteria for C-class, please start a discussion to correct the classification on the talk page. pburka ( talk) 21:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
noted and corrected. thanks.
Rather than 'deletion' for Norman K. Risjord, the linked WP guidance at WP:ASSESS and its sister articles - in this case directs editors to contribute to the article so as to (a) expand existing text, (b) close existing gaps, and (c) cleanup citations as needed, instead of article deletion. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 22:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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Practically an A7 for no indication of significance - whether by having members serve in Parliament, having an effect on policy, etc etc. Unsourced since creation in 2004. BEFORE search in English found no significant coverage, just trivial mentions in lists of political parties (should be noted that the article's original title apparently contained a typo; I have moved it to the correct name and searched using both). Can't search in Nepali because Nepali name wasn't given. Tried an in-text search for likely merge locations but nothing found. Unclear relationship to the Rastriya Prajatantra Party as it isn't mentioned there so no indication if it would be mergeable there (happy to withdraw if sources substantiate that it is though). ♠ PMC(talk) 05:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete -- All I can find are mentions of it among minor parties in lists of parties that supported some position or other. It was apparently led by one Ravi Bikram Shah. Nothing on what happened to it or him. I can imagine us having this party (but not necessarily the titles we have now) as a redirect in the future, but can't find a suitable target among the content we already have.
    There was a typo but you did not correct it. Ekta and Ekata are both acceptable (almost all words have multiple valid transliterations) but Prajatanrik is plain wrong. It ought to be Prajatantrik. In Devangari script, it's "राष्ट्रिय प्रजातान्त्रिक एकता पंचायत पार्टी"| Regards! Usedtobecool  ☎️ 07:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 02:31, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Jake Featherston

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Non-notable fictional character from a somewhat obscure alternate history series. Sources currently in the article are either unreliable or consist solely of passing mentions in the context of plot summaries. The best coverage is the scifi.com piece, which just refers to Featherston as a megalomaniac and a scoundrel. Aside from a handful of passing mentions in marginal sources about this figure being the fictional Confederate Hitler, I can find no significant coverage for this fictional character outside of plot summaries. Fails WP:GNG. Hog Farm Talk 05:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Wikipedia is not a fan wiki or a site to catalog every fictional character. Not a well-known character or one known in pop culture. wizzito | say hello! 20:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC) Merge if it is not a keep. This article may help the main novels article which is looking very short. Leanne Sepulveda ( talk) 18:25, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 05:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

2nd Arkansas 30 Day Volunteer Regiment

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Article has largely been gutted as a copyvio anyway after being listed at WP:CP (not entirely sure why isn't wasn't straight-up G12'd when only a single sentence survived the copyvio purging). Anyway, what remained before the copyright removal was a statement that it was never fully officered, that it was short-lived and never saw combat, and a listing of companies, sourced to an unreliable website and some primary source military records. I don't think this is notable, as the coverage I can find is solely in primary or unreliable sources, and the unit never saw action. Hog Farm Talk 04:53, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. czar 05:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Paul Varghese (producer)

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The sources are only about the three Malayalam movies he produced. No significant coverage. Fails WP:GNG Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 04:22, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. plicit 14:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Paróquia de Santa Teresinha (São Paulo)

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Appears to be a run-of-the-mill parish: at least, that's what the Portuguese article seems to imply, as there is no claim to notability there. Mangoe ( talk) 03:30, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 02:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Biomatics Capital Partners

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An article written on announcements and depends on Crunchbase references which are non reliable resources. Fails WP:GNG, WP:ORG DefenderBoy27 ( talk) 01:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 23:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Griffith's Adventure

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Notability concerns. Other than the name being old, there is no claim of notability. It is unclear if a structure still exists; I can't find any sourcing that suggests it does. The references in the article are all local genealogical sources (except one which is old court proceedings), and the ones I could check with Google Books were trivial mentions of the property. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 03:47, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • keep albeit weakly. There is a tendency to be biased against things referenced only by books, but a published book is a reliable source, even if it takes some trouble to get to it. This article is referenced to real paper books. The building probably isn't there any more (I had a good look on streetview and google's satellite view, and all I could see was decaying motor-vehicles and post-industrial collapse). But the publisher's blurb from "Adventurers, Cavaliers, Patriots: Ancestors Remembered", one of the references, sums it up: it explains how vignettes glimpsed across 10-11 generations and a couple of centuries paint a picture of colonial America. If we delete them because they are mere vignettes, because the structures aren't there any more, or because they are merely in books, then we lose that glimpse. Elemimele ( talk) 12:38, 9 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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  • delete First of all, the lead sentence is false, at least when it comes to tense: the point in question (and the coordinates are unsourced) is at the entrance to a fenced-in parking lot in the brutally industrialized area south of the tracks. That point also is not and never has been in Howard County. After that, the whole article is essentially a coat rack for biographic information about two members of the family, of whom only the second might be notable. The article makes no real claim for the notability of the house, and from what it says its slight claim to fame is as the Griffith family home, which doesn't cut it. Mangoe ( talk) 22:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. WP:MILL. Does not assert or establish any particular significance; the same kind of article could be written about any building. In other words, the article does not establish why an article is needed about this topic. Sandstein 21:15, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply
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