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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:19, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Randy Boyd (Tennessee public figure)

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Major puff piece article, created by paid SPA account. Fails WP:BIO. Information is all about his companies, nothing about the man. scope_creep ( talk) 23:34, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Most of the Keep comments below either aren't based on showing that the subject meets our notability guidelines or have been effectively rebutted. Consequently I have to give those reduced weight. Hut 8.5 22:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

South Front

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Current sourcing does not show notability. While there are a few borderline reliable sources covering the site, most are non-reliable or self published. Article was PRODded, but this was removed without real explanation. Mdann52 ( talk) 23:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. The PROD was deleted by Jd2718 because it was not even brought to discussion. Nobody should rush to delete articles without consensus. I've added two more sources that shouldn't be considered unreliable, anybody can put more if they find any. I also don't see why all of a sudden this has turned into a big deal, nobody paid much attention to it for almost a whole year, and now it needs to be deleted? With that logic, let's delete the articles for Russia Insider, Bellingcat, Voice of Russia, Kavkaz Center, and Ukraine Today, because they all contain unreliable sources. Sure, we've had discussions that led to a standstill, but has anybody really offered to improve the article until recently? SkoraPobeda ( talk) 23:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Neither of the two sources you added contributes to notability. This is a mere passing mention (not in-depth coverage) while this is a passing mention in an op-ed (again, not in-depth coverage). Neutrality talk 04:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
The closing admin should disregard this comment. The test for notability is not "Google searches" (that's a notability fallacy); it's significant, in-depth coverage in independent sources. Wikipedia:Search engine test, Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Google test. As for the disparagement of Volunteer Marek, see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Arguments to the person. Neutrality talk 15:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - In addition to Globalresearch and Thesaker.is, the reporting of SouthFront is as well regularly picked up by Almasdarnews [1] and SOTT.net [2] . SOTT.net is cited 28 times throughout Wikipedia and Almasdarnews.com 61 times, so I assume some relevance. Will editing the article in this way help - will adding of these sources make it relevant? 6583-GSBE ( talk) 12:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply


  • Keep, but. Before I weigh in, a point. The PROD nomination and deletion (mine) are not relevant to this discussion. The comments about VM's rather obvious point of view are out of place here; we are not discussing his action. The nominator's implication that removing the PROD required a better explanation is also out of place - no explanation is required, and there was one, anyhow.
South Front is one of a number of quick-publish sites on crises areas - it appears that their main focus is Syria, but they also cover Yemen and Ukraine. South Front's POV is unmistakably pro-Russian government. This sort of site is relatively new, or has gained a relatively new prominence. This article https://medium.com/@d1gi/the-election2016-micro-propaganda-machine-383449cc1fba#.wd36umax1 (apologies for bare link) identifies Southfront as a unique node in a "micropropaganda network," (not "one of" but the top destination worldwide). In content, SF resembles a number of other sites, including Al-Masdar News (we have a stubby article) - though with the latter some of the personalities involved have identified themselves.
There's a problem here. By WP's notability guidelines, the SF article would only be notable if we had significant secondary sources, which we do not, or if such sources exist, but we have not yet identified them. Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of the sourcing in the article. By one Supreme Court justice's pornography guideline I know it when I see it - South Front is notable.
Options? 1) Delete it. But that's deleting an article that should be notable. 2) Keep as is. That's at odds with WP policy. 3) Modify policy - not a chance, not unless/until this sort of website becomes a much bigger factor, and knowing that discussion of changes to core policy.... 4), and what I recommend, assume that the sourcing that makes this article notable exists, and admonish editors to work on providing it. Jd2718 ( talk) 16:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The closing admin should disregard this comment, from an IP who has made no other edits, because it fails to address actual policy considerations. 96.235.184.80, the fact that an organization wants a Wikipedia article doesn't mean they get one. The fact that they are actively campaigning for a Wikipedia article, again, is irrelevant to the determination of notability. All of the "reasons" that this group presents have nothing to do with Wikipedia's actual notability inquiry, which is: are there significant, in-depth coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject? The answer is no. Neutrality talk 02:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Salt (chemistry). ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 02:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Strong salt

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Very rarely used term. See [3] Tomásdearg92 ( talk) 21:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Salt (chemistry). ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 02:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Weak salt

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Very rarely used term. See [4] Tomásdearg92 ( talk) 21:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete as WP:A11: Article about a subject obviously invented by article creator or associate, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 01:46, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Human Color System

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Non-notable color system proposed by a makeup artist. Lacks significant coverage. A google search scares up few references to the term. reddogsix ( talk) 21:23, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Sources presented here indicate that there is level of significant coverage in Russian-language sources on this club that goes beyond routine match reporting. The inbedwithmaradona source in the article indicates that the club has received a degree of significant coverage in international media too, despite their lowly status. Not the most notable club by any stretch of the imagination, but GNG seems to be met from the four sources presented. Fenix down ( talk) 14:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

FK Birobidzhan

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Contested PROD. Concern was No indication this club meets WP:GNG or WP:FOOTYN. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 23:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • I completely agree about bias. But it's useless to assert notability here in an AfD discussion, or to point to another Wikipedia. THIS article itself needs to self-evidently describe a notable team and at present it makes no such assertion. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 10:17, 21 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: With a heavy heart, I am inclined to give a delete !vote here. I totally agree with the points of English-based bias and of this was a 4th tier English team they would have their own article. However, I feel this is more of a bias that is fundamental to sources, rather than to Wikipedia in this case. The English team would have sources, whereas I can find no such sources anywhere online. As Wikipedia is founded on notability and no original research, I must give a delete vote here. TheMagikCow ( talk) 18:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Ahh, I was searching in English only. Can you find anything to establish notability in Russian? TheMagikCow ( talk) 16:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC) reply
This article has a good history of football in the area, and of the team, and I think meets WP:GNG. This one is referenced in the article, and though a bit short, gives a brief history; as does this one referenced in the Russian wikipedia article for the team. Nfitz ( talk) 17:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was Speedy delete. Creators aren't allowed to remove speedy deletion tags BTW. Hut 8.5 21:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Ivansson Nonprofit Research Institute

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On the Talk page - according to the article's author, who claims to be the founder - "I founded my nonprofit research institute Today". May be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Attempts to speedy, resulted in removal of tag. DarjeelingTea ( talk) 20:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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My reading comprehension abilities may be failing me, but I can find no evidence in the cited source that this person had a Billboard Hot 100 number-one single as claimed in the article. Doesn't appear to meet WP:NMUSIC. Ahecht ( TALK
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It looks like an IP editor tried to change the Billboard Hot 100 mention to Reverbnation but it was reverted by a bot. In any case, I don't believe that Reverbnation qualifies for criteria #2 of WP:MUSICBIO. -- Ahecht ( TALK
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  • Delete – The claim that the subject charted #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 is patently false, and I cannot find any evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources (e.g. critic reviews, attention from mainstream news media) that would indicate any notability for the subject at this time per WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Mz7 ( talk) 20:25, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Per Lepricavark, I'm going to wait until April 27, 2017 before starting a 4th AfD. ( non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 02:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Einar Kuusk

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No evidence of passing WP:NBIO, as the sources in the article are unreliable. Second AfD was closed as no consensus. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 15:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Farrah (band). ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 02:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Jez Ashurst

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Unsourced stub for over a year. Searches do not return any significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Does not pass WP:GNG and any connection to WP:NMUSIC would have to inherit notability from other works. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 00:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Subject of this BLP fails WP:NGOLF. Absent meeting the NGOLF criteria would need to be judged by GNG. Not sufficient sources either in article, or based on offline search, to establish general notability. (Note that there is a link in the article to a LPGA player bio, however, this appears to be an aspirational vision board-type link as it is to someone other than this individual who does not appear to be a LPGA pro.) Also, need a RS establishing she was a professional dancer at 2 years old. Based on the username of the page's author, the birth date of the BLP, and the fact there is a "thank you" shout-out to the BLP's father mid-article, this may be an autobiography. DarjeelingTea ( talk) 18:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 01:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Article creator contested PROD. This is a civil servant/security official who does not meet WP:GNG, WP:NPOL, or WPNAUTHOR. The excessive extternal links as well as links to blurb descriptions of his books raise promotional concerns as well. TonyBallioni ( talk) 18:21, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

List of Texas Longhorns football games

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This "list of the greatest games in the history of the Texas Longhorns football program" has multiple issues, including:

  • Unclear inclusion criteria: The single source is a dead link, but I recovered it from the Internet Archive here. According to the source, "In honor of the Centennial Year of Texas Football, a Blue Ribbon committee met in the summer of 1992 to select great games and moments in Texas Football history. These were their selections. (Additional games from 1992-present have been added to the list.)". The composition of the Blue Ribbon committee is unclear, as is the procedure by which post-1992 games were selected. Additionally, it does not appear that there is a 1:1 relationship between the entries in the source and the article, meaning that some other editorial filter was applied to the article that may constitute original research.
  • Close paraphrasing: It appears several entries are closely paraphrased from the sole source. For example, the very first entry in the list: "Texas' very first football game was an astounding upset victory. The varsity team sent a band of 15 players to face the 'Champions of Texas' Dallas Football Club, a team that had been undefeated for several years. The game ended with an 18-16 upset victory for Texas. From there, Texas went undefeated in its first season of football." Source: "Texas' very first football game was an astounding upset, as the varsity sent a band of 15 or 16 players (the exact number was not recorded) north to face the 'Champions of Texas' Dallas Foot Ball Club. The Dallas team, which had been undefeated for several years and unscored on for quite some time as well, fell to the boys from Texas, 18-16. The Thanksgiving Day battle was witnessed by nearly 2,000 fans, the largest crowd to see a Dallas game up to that time.'
  • Unencyclopedic tone: Probably because the article is solely sourced to an internal University of Texas website, the entire text is very pro-Texas, to the point where adherence to WP:NPOV is questionable.

Due to all of the above issues, I recommend deleting the list and starting over. – Grondemar 17:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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@ Paulmcdonald: How is this article any more useful for navigation or research purposes than List of historically significant Michigan Wolverines football games, an article that you successfully nominated for deletion back in 2011? (I thought the Michigan list was pretty solid, but it got shot down.) Cbl62 ( talk) 00:06, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
I'd say that the difference is in the title - the Michigan one contains "historically significant" while this one makes no such distinction. As such this list does not make pretensions of being a compilation of all "historically significant" Texas games, notable or not, but can be focused into a list of, say, all Texas games which are notable (i.e. all that have articles), which is what I suggest above. It's more or less a WP:LISTN argument. ansh 666 03:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
That was about six years ago--without revisiting the original article, I guess I would say that I probably have changed my mind through the course of 6 years discussion on Wikipedia.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 21:39, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Paulmcdonald: I'd agree that in theory a list of games would be useful for navigation and research. The problem is this list is not useful for navigation since it is mostly unwikified (possibly because of close paraphrasing / copyvio?), and of minimal value for research as it cites only one source. It's also hard to say the list is "easier to maintain" when it doesn't appear the list has been updated since 2009. – Grondemar 00:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply
Copyvio would be an issue, I'll be neutral on that for now. If it's there, then delete. Otherwise, what you mention are editing issues and not deletion issues.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 05:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:22, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Jock Purtle

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Fails WP:GNG. Numerous references in the article but they are either unreliable, brief mentions, quotes, etc. There is one from Forbes [7] but written by a contributor and not staff. The Forbes piece also focuses on the business with him providing insight, not a piece that focuses on him in-depth. CNMall41 ( talk) 17:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. And salted. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:24, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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This page has been deleted at least twice (that I know of) in the last month. Highly promotional. At this point please delete and though I rarely ask for this, I believe salting is in order. Onel5969 TT me 17:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Comment - Hi L3X1 - I don't believe G4 is applicable, since it was speedied twice before. My interpretation of G4 is that it was deleted at AfD. Onel5969 TT me 18:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Thanks Onel5969 Thanks for explaining, I'm in the process of learning about CSD. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 20:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was Withdrawn, as no longer needed. Article speedy-deleted twice. Jytdog ( talk) 22:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Media Allegations, Criminal Charges, and Conviction of Jung Myung Seok

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This was created as a POV fork by a SPA as part of a series of edits about Providence (religious movement), a controversial religious group in which three articles were created in a user sandbox: this POV fork, here, a mostly positive "main" bio, and here on the movement, which were then copied into mainspace. The article about the group has been subject to an ANI threads about its promotional nature (which was discussed in the popular media) - see threads here and here. This is more disruption. Jytdog ( talk) 17:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Background: Providence related articles are often subject to white washing by Single Purpose Accounts. Several of these accounts are now banned.

See:

Harizotoh9 ( talk) 21:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

For the article itself. Let's scan some sources. The source " http://jmsprovidence.com" is used heavily throughout the article. This is a Providence self-published website and not reliable as a source. I would request review of the other sources as well as many are in Korean, and I am not sure how to read them or analyze them. The title of the article is strange. "Media allegations" is weird to include. If he was charged and convicted, then it doesn't matter what the media alledged. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 22:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

I have studied the source jmsprovidence.com. It is a CGM self published website, but it links to various news articles published by various news sources. What jmsprovidence sought to do is to translate these sources, and put them in a logical fashion for non-korean readers to understand. It also compiled hardcopy sources of some news articles (in its original scanned copy), where it is no longer available on the internet. I agree that we should not cite anything directly from commentary from jmsprovidence.com, but the article cites directly from the news sources themselves. How else would you like to provide the Korean translations? (I put them under the quotes. Feel free to verify them one by one) I verified those translations against native korean readers, as well as google translate and naver korean to english dictionary (i do know some korean myself). That is what you can do as well, find a korean friend or use google translate (although that does have errors). User:Sawol, will you be able to help verify the korean or find any korean editors who are able to? Avataron ( talk) 00:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Additionally, I included "Media allegations" into this article, because Jung actually won a lawsuit against the original 1999 media allegations, but this happened after he was convicted. So it was a possible case of Media allegations that led to him being convicted, therefore it is important to delineate the difference. Moreover, AFTER Jung was convicted, there were more media allegations against him in 2010-2012 which resulted in charges were dropped against Jung because there was no evidence. And in 2013, another set of media allegations were quashed by the Justice Minister. And in 2014, SBS made media allegations against Jung which did not result in charges. It is important to make the distinction between the process of Media allegations, charges, and conviction for these reasons. For discussion please. Avataron ( talk) 00:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
It seems to me that Avataron ( talk) is accurate in his/her description of the sources used. For example, although http://jmsprovidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/201204_Newsmaker-_Why_is_the_CGM_back_in_the_spotlight.pdf is used, the original article is scanned at http://jmsprovidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Newsmaker-April-2012.compressed.pdf While many users in the en.wikipedia may not know korean, Avataron ( talk) has attempted to put english translation of the cited sources. @ Cjwon348 and Oil0518:, as qualified ko-en translators, will you be able to help verify the cited quotations from the Korean sources in this article? Many thanks. Phoenix0316 ( talk!) 04:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC) — Phoenix0316 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
  • !Vote Keep. While I acknowledge the history of edit warring, whitewashing, etc on the Providence (religious movement) page, this article presents credible sources from various points of views, provides the translations necessary for english editors to evaluate, This article presents various POVs, from a third party researcher, and gives detailed examination of the media allegations, charges and conviction of Jung Myung Seok. The Providence (religious movement) page is directed at covering about the group and its founder, and not supposed to be solely focused on the controversies surround Jung Myung Seok. Therefore, this current article warrants a page on its own. Avataron ( talk) 14:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Avataron ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. — Avataron ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
I posted the above to give context to this article. This is part of a long term pattern of behavior. There is a long history of SPA's coming in and whitewashing Providence related articles, and using questionable sources or sources tied to Providence themselves. This is within this pattern. For the article itself, I don't see the great need for it. It looks to be a POV fork with the purpose of minimizing the negative information in the Providence articles, moving it to a new article. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 00:04, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
I agree that there is a long term pattern of behavior. However, perhaps it is time to consider that the behavior was due to the existing article has not been providing alternate perspectives of the issue, because it is predominantly negative about Providence, as you have acknowledged. It is the ironclad rule for WP:NPOV to allow all perspectives to be expressed proportionately. Therefore, this article should not be hastily classified under the white-washing attempts just because I, as the article writer, am a Near SPA. Look at the substance of the article. Look at the substance of the sources cited. Are they fair? Do they present all sides fairly? Do they discuss an issue that warrants a page on its own? That SHOULD be the guide to whether this article is kept or deleted. Avataron ( talk) 00:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
Yep, bundling it here makes sense. Thanks! Jytdog ( talk) 18:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply

So can someone explain why we need this huger article, and this cannot be covered in the page about this person? Slatersteven ( talk) 18:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Since the pages are deleted, then this page can be closed. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 22:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Jason Schenker


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None of the sources provided are independent of the subject. This seems like a promotional peacock article. fails WP:NAUTHOR "bestseller" on amazon is not reliable as per WP:NBKCRIT WP:BKCRIT. Fails WP:GNG. Domdeparis ( talk) 17:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply


  • Strong keep article in question clearly passes WP:GNG as subject of article has been covered by media which is reliable, provides assumption and independent of subject. I do worry about this nomination, it is as if nominator of article is biased or does not have proper knowledge of Wikipedia laws and polices. Celestina007 ( talk) 19:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete in its present form. For an article of this length, there are quite a few references - but look closer. Most of them are by the subject, or about them. A list of articles that the subject wrote, a list of books by the subject on Amazon, a linkedin page, links to events at which the subject spoke... None of these show that the subject is notable under our rules. They prove that the subject exists - which is good, certainly for them. But that doesn't mean they're notable. If the subject has been covered in media, links to those articles would be lovely - as none are present in the article as it stands. There is one link to a Bloomberg article, but that doesn't really do anything either since - wait for it - the subject writes for Bloomberg. If we're to keep this article, then we need to have more information from reliable and independent sources. I don't see anything like that so far. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 19:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment As the nominator I'd just like to point out that the only other keep vote is from a User who created an article that was nominated for deletion and I !voted to delete. Within a few minutes of a comment here that I left on the discussion page they then undid a speedy that I had added (that was subsequently speedily deleted), accused me of being offensive to another user (someone with whom in reality I am working with) and made a strong keep on this article and insinuated that I was biased and/or ignorant of "laws" (sic) and policies. Domdeparis ( talk) 10:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete There doesn't seem to be significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. I am seeing a lot of quotes by the subject, but nothing much in detail - what the subject achieved and what made them notable. The votes by the SPA make me wonder if the intention is to promote. At this point, I will go with a delete. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 17:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 17:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Volodymyr Ostapchuk

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May not meet the notability standards, and article has no refs whatsoever TJH2018 talk 16:51, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Hosting the world biggest music event is quite important, I guess. References are in the Eurovision Song Contest 2017 page. EricLewan talk 18:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Agreed. The sole fact that he's hosting the Eurovision makes him relevant enough. ׺°”˜`”°º× ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 21:48, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus is for deletion. North America 1000 01:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Hoshi wo Miru Hito

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Article was previously redirected to its developer for lack of adequate sourcing, but the developer ( Hot B) was deleted for the same reason. The game itself does not have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources ( ?), which is to say that we don't have enough reliably sourced information to write a full article on the topic. czar 16:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. I cannot find much coverage in Japanese sources either besides a few "the soundtrack will be released on [date]" types of articles. I imagine that if it has been covered, it's in print magazines, although it doesn't seem to have been reviewed by Famitsu (judging from its entry in their database).-- IDV talk 09:54, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I don't have access to many sources which would be likely to cover a 1980s Japan-only video game, regardless of notability, but the simple lack of any claim of importance says enough for me.-- Martin IIIa ( talk) 22:52, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - as my nom. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 16:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable person. WP:BEFORE shows only PR-based coverage or passing mentions, none of the significant coverage in independent, reliable sources that WP:GNG requires. Article tagged for notability concerns since December 2008. Exemplo347 ( talk) 16:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:05, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Forces Gateway

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Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NWEB. Non-notable UK Government site, tagged for notability for over 9 years. Exemplo347 ( talk) 15:53, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Possibly, there's no information that confirms this though. If it is, that other website doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NWEB either. Exemplo347 ( talk) 19:27, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy Keep - Nomination withdrawn ( non-admin closure). Adding source found by AlessandroTiandelli333 to the article. Exemplo347 ( talk) 01:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Euromasters

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Non-notable band/music group that does not meet WP:GNG and has been tagged for Notability for over 9 years - only one single released, plus a remix of the same - no evidence of any chart success. WP:BEFORE search provides no Significant coverage in Reliable, Independent Sources that the GNG requires. Exemplo347 ( talk) 15:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

I'm from the Netherlands and I like to mention that these guys are pretty notable in the "hardcore-scene". The track Alles naar de kloote was a signature-track that made the public pay attention to this (then new) kind of music. If I may say so, it would be a loss if it was deleted. Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 18:36, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia requires that the subjects of its articles meet the General Notability Guideline. Do you have any evidence that Euromasters meets these requirements? If not, there's no justification for keeping the article. Exemplo347 ( talk) 19:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Even the Dutch Wikipedia does not provide any sources and I'm bounded by a white-list so I'm unable to add any of my one... They made more than one single though:
  • Amsterdam Waar Lech Dat Dan?
  • Alles Naar De Klote!!!
  • Neuken In De Keuken (Noiken In De Koiken)
  • Oranje Boven
  • A Message From Hell
  • Rotterdam Ech Wel
  • Everybody Clap Your Hands

If this helps. Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 19:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Well, sources are needed - Wikipedia articles need to be verifiable - I spent time searching for information before starting this discussion and nothing I found meets the requirements that I've pointed out to you. Exemplo347 ( talk) 19:36, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
If it gets deleted, too bad... I guess it's notable enough for the Dutch Wiki but not necessarily for the international English one. If it goes, I'll understand, so be it. Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 19:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Unfortunately, the fact that articles exist in another language Wikipedia isn't reason enough to keep an article on the English-language Wikipedia. Exemplo347 ( talk) 20:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Didn't I just say that? No offence... Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 20:16, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
You didn't, and I thought it was worth emphasising. Please can you take care that your edits don't completely destroy the formatting of the discussion in future? Thanks Exemplo347 ( talk) 20:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Vivek Vij

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Google search does not turn up independent references to this surgeon. (Two people turn up, a surgeon and a dentist. This is the surgeon.) It does turn up a lot of "vanity" hits on this surgeon. If the promotional peacock stuff were trimmed out of this article, not much would be left. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep As much as new articles which may not meet Wikipedia standards are deleted, we also forget that as an editor, deletion of articles is considered a final resort, that Is, when all maintenance tags placed on articles are left unaddressed, in this case, none until today, have been issued. I say the editor and article be given time to develop as we do not want to scare away new potential editors.

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  • Comment - This is not a stub but a multi-paragraph article, and the author does not, in my opinion, need time to develop it further. However, if the author wants time to develop it further so as to pass notability, they may move it to user space or draft space, or request that someone else move it to user space or draft space. If the author requests that I move it to draft space, I will move it to draft space, and will withdraw this AFD (since this is a notability AFD and AFD does not apply in draft space). Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete for failing WP:BIO and WP:GNG. The article is totally unreferenced, especially for all of the listed awards. Clarityfiend ( talk) 01:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: The subject fails WP:GNG. An online search of the subject doesn't show the subject being discussed in reliable sources.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 23:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Communication, Culture & Technology Program

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This was originally PROD'd for other reasons, but one of which I believe still applies:

  • Per WP:OUTCOMES, individual study programs at notable universities are not themselves notable unless they have been the subject of significant coverage independent of the university.

This is still the case. The sources are not sufficiently independent of the subject or primarilly third party. The only sources given are either WP:PRIMARY ( [9], [10], [11], [12]), or irrelevent (e.g. [13], [14], [15], [16] do not mention the subject at all or purely peripherally), are not reliable (e.g. [17]), or are self-sourced ( [18]). Clearly fails WP:GNG. Most of the article can be placed in the parent article; whatever is left is an advert for a particular course. Which as the original PROder notes, is not notabe in itself. O Fortuna! ...Imperatrix mundi. 15:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 08:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

John Cuff (optician)

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Non-notable instrument-maker. Winged Blades Godric 15:15, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Clearly notable: has entry in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and his instruments are held in several major collections (not just in Florence!). I've upgraded the article. Pam D 21:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per PamD. In addition to the (inaccessible to me) Oxford Dictionary, various museums and institutions provide information about him, which I've used to expand the article. Clarityfiend ( talk)
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 10:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable instrument maker. Winged Blades Godric 15:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 10:35, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable clock-maker. Winged Blades Godric 15:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: did the nominator do a WP:BEFORE search? Admittedly there are a load of absolutely pathetic little stubs which have been created based on this one museum in Florence by a "Wikipedian in Residence" who appeared not to have much clue how to contribute to an international encyclopedia, but this one is salvageable. Have added a couple of refs and an image. Pam D 21:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - meets GNG based on improvements by PamD. Smmurphy( Talk) 17:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete. ( non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet biographic notability with independent references. Google search turns up advertisements for her perfumes. This draft reads like yet another advertisement for her perfumes. Removing promotional language wouldn't leave much. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:02, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 22:04, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable craftsman. Winged Blades Godric 13:51, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Well, I fail to find a single of your so-called sources discussing the subject non-trivially.Existence≠Notability. Winged Blades Godric 16:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
That's your interpretation. I refuse to believe than a non-notable carver from several hundred years ago would have obtained so many "trivial" mentions. Non-notable people tend to be forgotten after a few hundred years have gone by. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Notability is a guideline rather than a policy because there is no exact threshold. In practise, many reference works have brief entries for people of this sort and there is no requirement for us to have some specific amount of information. As a lower bar for this sort of topic, my favourite example is Chitty (cricketer). If he gets in then we should certainly have people like Crosten too. Andrew D. ( talk) 16:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

List of counsel appearing in Canadian appeals to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council

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Non-notable list. Fairly arbitrary selection of lawyers appearing in a court (and one that does not as I understand it have jurisdiction in Canada any more). Can't see any coverage of lists of Canadian counsel appearing in JCPC as a particular grouping otherwise than on wikipedia. Has been tagged for fixing for a few years with no improvement. Harris ( talk) 13:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Deleted as a copyright violation RickinBaltimore ( talk) 14:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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As per WP:NOTDIRECTORY Onel5969 TT me 13:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Onel5969: Lemongirl942 has speedy tagged this as a copyright infringement. Nördic Nightfury 13:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Thanks for the heads up Nordic Nightfury - if it gets speedily deleted, I'll withdraw the nomination. Onel5969 TT me 14:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 22:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Failed to find any reliable reference that states the notability of the subject or his imp. in the field. Winged Blades Godric 13:01, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep despite the misrepresentation of Andrew's rationale above, it is quite clear that Andrew was arguing for the notability of the subject. It would appear that the American Journal of Ophthalmology would also !vote keep, if it had an account. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
I am having troubles finding the AJO link.Can any of you please provide the link?Thanks! Winged Blades Godric 16:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep - the full AJO ref is: Messenger, Harry K. "Giovanni battista verle, venetian: famous ivory turner in the service of Cosimo III grand duke of Tuscany, and anatomist of the human eye." American Journal of Ophthalmology 25, no. 7 (1942), according to google scholar. I can't go over to the library right now, but that is pretty convincing. Smmurphy( Talk) 21:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Heath Slater and Rhyno

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Previously deleted for not meeting WP:GNG. All sources are WP:ROUTINE match results, not significant independent coverage. Individuals are notable, but the team is not (at least not yet). Nikki♥ 311 12:30, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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I mentioned this on the main talk page: According to Nikki 311's reasoning which is and I quote, "Individuals are notable, but the team is not (at least not yet)". Uh....ok. If Heath Slater and Rhyno aren't "notable" then why the world does The Ascension, The Vaudevillains, etc. have their own page and it doesn't get "nominated for deletion". Now I know that The Ascension and The Vaudevillains were Tag Team Champions just like Heath Slater and Rhyno, but there is a difference. A BIG DIFFERENCE...The Vaudevillains and The Ascension were NXT Champions, while Heath Slater and Rhyno were SmackDown Tag Team Champions. Developmental vs. Main Roster. And like another user on the talk page said, they were the inaugural SmackDown Tag Team Champions and the longest reigning. If that doesn't call notable, I don't know what does. Thank you. -- Chrismaster1 ( talk) 02:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The last AfD took place while they were champions and nothing has changed since them to make them more notable. These were two established guys thrown together to make a team, the Vaudevillains and Ascension guys aren't separable from their tag team gimmick... If anything their individual articles should be merged with the main tag team article. LM2000 ( talk) 12:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Non-notable put together team like Breezango and Golden Truth that will split up and no one will ever remember. The Vaudevillains and Ascension are notable because they are strictly tag teams, while Health Slater and Rhino are known for singles competition and are not notable because of this tag team. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 17:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Nuetral but lean towards keep I don't think this article necessarily needs deleted. There are a decent number of sources. This tag team has been around for a good bit of time now and are still a team. They were also the inaugural SmackDown Tag Team Champions, as well as the longest reigning. -- JDC808 ♫ 09:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Mz7 ( talk) 21:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Deletion requested by article subject on OTRS ticket #2017022710002279, per WP:BBLP. Nominator expresses no opinion. Yunshui  雲 水 10:08, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

On reflection, I am going to express my opinion that this article be deleted - it does not appear that the subject of the article meets WP:PROF, and further discussion suggests this article may actually be a joke created by one of his colleagues. Yunshui  雲 水 10:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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Delete. I support deletion of articles for people of marginal notability when the subject requests it.- gadfium 19:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Modern studies on the brain

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Going to boldly propose this strange list for deletion. None of the entries have reliable sources to support them meeting our notability criteria. The list has no inclusion criteria. We are WP:NOTTEXTBOOK and not a collection of lecture notes, nor an index. What do other editors think about this odd list? Tom (LT) ( talk) 10:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The only non-Wikipedia-mirror hit for "modern studies on the brain" (consecutive words) is this Amazon page; the matching text seems to be a chapter header of the book. Weirdly enough the book cover and the article have a very similar picture, so there might be promotion or copvio issues. Tigraan Click here to contact me 14:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 02:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

The Evil Empire: 101 Ways That England Ruined the World

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Per WP:SOAP, we are not a platform for opinion and promotion. The book is not a serious work of history. It comes from a publisher of "irreference" works and is a bundle of fringe ideas. It was written by the head of an advertising agency who naturally tried to hype it on the internet. The Daily Mail was happy to cooperate in this as it gave them the opportunity to rubbish it at length. But if we strip this tabloid mock-battle out then we're not left with much. In this age of fake news, we shouldn't encourage the promotion of fake history and, without the hype, there's not enough here to support the topic as passing WP:NBOOK. Andrew D. ( talk) 13:15, 19 February 2017 (UTC) Andrew D. ( talk) 13:15, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: Per this discussion the Daily Mail is no longer considered to be a RS on Wikipedia, so I've removed the claims backed up by those sources. The arguments that seem to have ultimately led to the DM losing its RS status are "poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication", which means that we probably shouldn't even rely on comments made by people who would otherwise be seen as RS in their own right unless those same claims and comments are backed up by sources that are still seen as RS on Wikipedia. This still leaves two sources, which I'll look at shortly. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I found reviews by the New Statesman and Publishers Weekly. As ridiculous the claims in the book appear to be, the work does seem to technically pass notability guidelines for books, as it's been written about in four publications that are currently seen as RS. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:57, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Keep. This nomination seems to be a misreading of WP:SOAP - the article itself is not advocating the view that the British Empire is responsible for all the world's evils, it is merely about a book that is promoting that position. And the subject appears to meet Criteria 1 of WP:NBOOK as it "has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself." [19] [20] [21] I personally think that is rather a low bar, but that is what the guideline says.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 13:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:29, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Alex Merced

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Non-notable political candidate. Does not have sufficient in depth coverage for WP:GNG and hasn't held a major political office so fails WP:POLITICIAN. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 06:46, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete 3rd party candidates in the US, except maybe ones running for president, are almost never notable for such alone, and nothing else he has done shows notability. Even major party senate candidates are not automatically notable, they need to either have previous notability (which a lot do because they have served in congress, state legislatures or as governor), or they need to get more than routine levels of coverage (which for senate cnadidates of major parties normally exists, since there are only about 32 races every 2 years, while the house has over 400 races every 2 years, although some lack major party candidates.) Nothing about Merced suggests he is notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:28, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Not a notable person per WP:NPOL. No other claim to notability. AusLondonder ( talk) 08:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Unelected candidates for political office do not get articles because candidate per se — they can clear the bar if they can be shown and sourced as having already been notable enough for an article for the work they were doing before they became a candidate, but if you're going for "notable because election campaign" then they have to win the election, not just run in it, to get an article on that basis. But this shows no preexisting notability at all, and is referenced almost entirely to primary sources — and the amount of reliable source coverage actually present here isn't even in the same time zone as a WP:GNG claim. Bearcat ( talk) 21:48, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:09, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Richard Keatley

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This individual does not meet WP:GNG for significant coverage in reliable sources. He doesn't meet WP:POLITICIAN as a candidate for office who isn't in office. PROD removed by article creator. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 06:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

==individual does meet WP:GNG criteria based on coverage in Atlanta Journal Constitution, primary newspaper for city of Atlanta, see ref. 3.~~

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== WP:ACADEMIC added bibliography of independent research in renaissance~~

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  • Delete. Per Wikipedia:CAE, non-notable candidate for office. ErieSwiftByrd ( talk) 04:04, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Local coverage of local elections always exists, so every candidate for any office could always claim to pass WP:GNG if coverage of the election campaign itself were all it took. To get an as yet unelected candidate into Wikipedia before he's declared the winner of the election, what you need to show is one of two things: either (a) he was already notable enough for an article for some other reason before throwing his hat in the electoral ring, or (b) the coverage of his candidacy is exploding to Christine O'Donnell proportions. But simply including a bibliography of his academic publications in the article is not what it takes to get him over WP:ACADEMIC — it takes media coverage about his work as an academic, of which none has been shown here at all — and the amount of campaign coverage shown here is not demonstrating that his candidacy would somehow deserve special treatment over and above all the non-winning candidates in last year's election who didn't get articles for that fact in and of itself. Campaign coverage is WP:ROUTINE, not notability-conferring in and of itself, because no candidate in any election ever fails to garner at least as much coverage as has been shown here — our guiding notability principle is "what will people still need to know ten years from now?", not "who happens to be in the news today?", so politicians get Wikipedia articles for winning election and holding office, not just for running in an election. Bearcat ( talk) 22:00, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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All I see is routine sports reporting on this subject. I don't see anything that would meet WP:NBASE or WP:NCOLLATH. Peaked in Class A ball and never made it past Double-A. Has been tagged for notability off and on for several years. EricEnfermero ( Talk) 05:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Obvious GNG failure, there is clear consensus that players who at one point pass NFOOTY but who's careers then go backwards need to overtly show GNG. This player played in an FPL once. Fenix down ( talk) 15:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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While this article technically meets WP:NSPORT, I think falls under the section in the lede of the guideline which say: the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept (emphasis original). The entirety of this guy's footballing career consists of a single A PFG appearance five years ago, and there's not sign the article meets WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 00:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Reluctant Delete/Comment - although the subject of this article has made one appearance in a professional match, that was nearly five years ago and there is no sign of him making another one soon. Article pretty comprehensively fails WP:GNG with very little to none coverage. Also I would like to say that it was extremely difficult to find sources relating to this subject as "Dimitar Ivanov" is an extremely common name in Bulgaria with plenty of other footballers sharing this name. Although I am hesitant to go against WP:NFOOTBALL I think per GiantSnowman's comment that a delete would be most appropriate in this situation. Inter&anthro ( talk) 19:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Passes WP:NFOOTBALL as mentioned above. Notability is not temporary. Smartyllama ( talk) 20:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was Keep. AustralianRupert ( talk) 05:56, 4 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non notable army officer -- highest rank was Colonel. No substantial coverage--just inclusions in group histories. DGG ( talk ) 01:29, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. (Full disclosure, I wrote the article.) And to be honest I'm surprised and disappointed in this nomination, User:DGG. This is not a MySpace band or a D-list video game character or some obscure recent person. This is an actual historical figure who was involved in and shaped important historical events. If our mission is not to include material on important actors in major historical events, what we even here for? The American Civil War was really important! The 5th Regiment of Missouri Infantry was an important outfit! They fought in some really important battles. James McCown led them throughout the war from start to finish, from Corinth to Vicksburg to Atlanta to Franklin and Nashville to the bitter end at Mobile.
It's true the sources are poor (although sufficient for a reasonable-size article of a few paragraphs), but that's a problem with the sources not the subject. I'll bet that Westerners in Gray: The Men and Missions of the Elite Fifth Missouri Infantry Regiment has lots more, but I don't have that book at hand. But maybe someone who does will come along and add to the article -- unless we, you know, delete it.
I'm just... I'm quite frankly having trouble adjusting to what seems to be a kind of new ethos here, that our job here at the Wikipedia is to trim out existing information so that readers will have less access to information. Why? Are our printing costs getting too high? You know, every time someone looks for information in the Wikipedia and can't find it, a kitten dies.
It's not that we shouldn't get rid of articles. There are several articles made every day that don't belong -- local band, author with a couple non-notable books, local store, somebody's elementary school. Amateur ballplayer, somebody's app, local neighborhood figure. Promotional articles. Fine. James McCown is none of these. He is an actual historical figure on whom material is available even now, 150 years after he died, because people (rightly or wrongly) consider even the details of American history to be important. Herostratus ( talk) 02:31, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply
The nomination is based on the accepted WP:MIL requirement that a person be either a general officer or involved in a major way in something important [etc.], none of which is met here, along with our standard requirement for substantial sourcing. Whatever the relationship of this sng and the gng , neither are met. The significance of these formal requirements is to provide a way to answer the question, what possibly makes him more notable than every Colonel in that war? The reason for asking that question is the basic principle, NOTINDISCRIMINATE.
It is certainly a possibility to set the level higher or lower. Personally, I would have set it higher than the US rank of brigadier general, but since the consensus is to accept them, I do also. Personally, I would count rank and significant events as in the SNG as more important than sourcing (beyond the minimal level of verifiability), but as this is uncertain, I look at both.
The reason we have the basic policy of NOTINDISCRIMINATE is to look like an encyclopedia, which is different from a list of everyone. The line is always going to be arbitrary. The point of an encyclopedia is not that it contains whatever someone can find a source for, but that it have some level of significance. Myself, I think it important to be consistent--at least to some extent. I would very gladly have articles for everything in my own sphere of interest for which I could possibly scrape sourcing together; if I really pushed, I could carry that quite far in the direction of local for my neighborhood (or, for that matter , my extended family or my classmates or my teachers or colleagues.,and I suspect that about a third of them would actually be accepted, if only by accident.) I don't think that's a reasonable way to build a community project. A community project needs community standards. We are already so wildly erratic in our coverage that my view is we should complete what is within our present scope, and leave what is beyond it to specialized resources. DGG ( talk ) 04:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply
I hear you. OK, I looked at WP:SOLDIER. It's basically OK. I think you're being too strict in applying it though.
I am on board with just being a peacetime colonel not by itself being enough to merit an article, usually. I think there's a huge difference between a peacetime colonel and someone who led a regiment in many of the major campaigns of the the most important war in American history, though.
And in fact the rule does say (point 4) "Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign" which McCown did many times. Depending on how you take it; all those terms ("important", "significant", "major") are subjective.
Although point 5 then says "Commanded... in combat... a divisional formation or higher" which McCown did not. Does point 5 negate point 4? Does point 5 imply that "important role" has to be "division command"? Not really; you could be just a company commander, and if your company held a crucial bridge in an important battle, that would be an "important role" I guess. (And in fact John Howard, who was only a major and company commander, did exactly that ( Pegasus Bridge) and has an article because of it.)
I don't know if McCown's command played that kind of important role in some or any of his many battles. I'd be surprised if they didn't. It says here that the 5th was "one of the Civil War’s most decorated... infantry regiments" and if that's true they weren't skulking in the rear. There are books that would tell us more (Bevier's A History of the First and Second Missouri Confederate Brigades for instance) but I don't have them. Herostratus ( talk) 07:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Well but as I noted above WP:SOLDIER includes "Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign". There's no question that the man was in many major battles and campaigns. I'd say that commanding a regiment is an "important role".
As far as WP:GNG, thanks for the link as I did not realize that (a small part) of Westerners In Gray is online. The part that is online has like two pages on McCowns background and early life (pages 7-9); that alone is sufficient to meet GNG. I am quite confident that there are swaths of material on McCowns military activities later in the book, but I cant access those parts. But just the part that is accessible... given this new material, you'd have to bend WP:GNG past the breaking point to hold that that the man doesn't meet GNG. Herostratus ( talk) 20:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Why shouldn't we count coverage in 150+ year old newspapers? Lepricavark ( talk) 15:52, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Many officers in the civil war who had interesting military and non-military careers, such as McCown, are definitely of interest to our editors and readers. In general, and this individual in particular, there is a good deal of contemporary (ie 1800s) news coverage about these individuals, as they were usually community leaders of one sort or another. Burgess and Burgess 2009, the three "150+ year old newspaper" articles currently cited, and the Missouri Historical Review (1913-1914) article give some indication of coverage from over a century ago. In modern sources, McCown is given one or two paragraph biographies with a picture in Piston 2009, Garrett 2009, and in a local history by Roberts and Roberts 2012. Tucker 1995 discusses his role in the war, which does seem to have been at least nearly "important role in a significant military event". Ultimately, I !vote keep based on GNG given the Piston and Garrett coverage in particular. Smmurphy( Talk) 19:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
As a general point, even if the golden rule can't be met with sources that are online or available to most editors, my opinion is that AfD comments should be in part about one's belief about the likelyhood of achieving notability rather than the sources currently in the article. I remember once reading that subject specific guidelines are (or at least used to be) based on the idea that if a subject meets them, they are likely to meet GNG, even if the sources aren't immediately found (that is, they are shortcuts to use when sources are unavailable for individuals who are extremely likely to be notable, and not meant to exclude individuals who don't meet the recommendations). I agree with Herostratus that while the sources were initially poorer than they currently are, it is not a surprise that the sources were improved and I would not be surprised if more sources are added later. As regards to Herostratus' comment about a new ethos, my AGF assumption/hope is that those arguing against retention of the article did not think that better sources could be found or that they do not agree with me that what they found met GNG or they were unable to find sources such as those that have since been added. Smmurphy( Talk) 19:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Right. Thanks mostly to your work I think the subject now meets WP:GNG, pretty clearly, and I call on future commentors and the closer to make note of this. (And even if you wanted to say this are on the borderline and debatable (I don't think it even is anymore), this is a historical figure; as an encyclopedia I think we ought to give a little more shrift to "serious" subjects such as history, geography, science, etc. than we might to videogame characters etc., so the benefit of any doubt would go to retaining the material in this case.) Herostratus ( talk) 20:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep I strongly echo Newyorkbrad's sentiment here. This isn't a stub, but a developed, informative article. The notability of the subject may be borderline, but I believe we should err on the side of keeping an article such as this one. Lepricavark ( talk) 15:52, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Clearly enough material to write a good article with. I'm not all that familiar with this admittedly obscure conflict, but he 5th Missouri Infantry seems to have been famous enough to write book about. Subject seems to have participated in reasonably famous battles. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 09:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep If an individual measures up to the criteria of the GNG then SOLDIER is irrelevant. Furthermore, my confidence in how those on the MILITARY WIKIPROJECT manage and interpret SOLDIER has been completely eroded. Those on the MILITARY WIKIPROJECT usually argue that a General is notable, even if there aren't sufficient references for him to measure up to GNG. But, a few years ago, I saw multiple individuals who usually took that line arguing for the deletion of an article on a rogue General, a guy, moreover, who probably did measure up to GNG. In that AFD these fans of the military took the complete opposite position they usually took. They had suddently decided that the exception to GNG they had alwasy argued SOLDIER had for Generals, didn't apply to one-star Brigadier Generals.

    Anyhow, hats off to those who found the additional references who established McCown measures up to the GNG. Geo Swan ( talk) 16:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep generally following the reasoning of Smmurphy and Newyorkbrad. I find the article informative, encyclopedic-ally written, and WP:V. It is of interest to a relatively large set of readers. I do not see how the encyclopedia would be improved with the deletion of this article. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep the fact that the subject mater and citations are many years old should have no effect on the notability of the article. The above keep votes have already illustrated the reasons to keep this article well enough. Inter&anthro ( talk) 22:09, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) J 947 02:48, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable band. Fails WP:Music - The Magnificentist 11:45, 11 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: This article has been on here for 8 years. The band has a big presence on Google and is featured on soundcloud and has stuff removed from Google for copyright violation. This tells me they are significant. If there is stuff on German wiki, def. it can be included. More work to dig up WP:RS is worthy but the article should stay. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 05:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Sourced to official websites of author and publisher. There is one article in a WP:RS about the author, but it doesn't mention this book and only mentions the series in passing. Unable to find any other WP:RS discussion of the book. or that it passes any of the criteria of WP:NBOOK. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:46, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. I'm torn between recommending a redirect or just outright deletion. I found one review, but that's pretty much it. It was nominated for a minor children's award but didn't win. Now the thing is, the title itself is incorrect - the title should be The Spook's Nightmare and there's already a redirect under this title that goes to The Wardstone Chronicles, the series page. I suppose that there's some merit in keeping it as an alternate redirect, but typing in Spook's Apprentice brings up the correct title with "The" attached, so I don't know that there's really a need for a different redirect. A look at the history for that redirect shows that there's already a page article history there that actually has a bit more information if this individual book ever gains more coverage in the future. (I forgot that I'd redirected that page back in 2012.) In any case, the book seems to still fail notability guidelines as a whole, the question is do we keep this particular article version as an article redirect or not. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 22:20, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:55, 9 March 2017 (UTC) reply

2005 Texas vs. Texas A&M football game

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Non-notable game that was just one of many in 2005. There was nothing special about this game, and it received only WP:ROUTINE coverage. The game holds little to no historical significance; as such has not been discussed at all by reliable sources in recent years. Lizard ( talk) 02:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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@ Smartyllama: Can you point out a few examples of the "lasting coverage", i.e., significant coverage of this game outside the game's immediate aftermath? Cbl62 ( talk) 22:41, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (or merge any useful content into 2005 Texas Longhorns football team#Texas A&M). In an annual rivalry game, the #2 team in the country defeated an unranked team by a 40–29 score. Texas' 2005 national championship season is highly notable and has a stand-alone article that includes detailed treatment of each game, including this one. As a matter of sound editorial judgment, I do not believe it is prudent to allow stand-alone articles for individual games unless there is something truly extraordinary about them. There is nothing extraordinary about this game. Sure, the game received abundant coverage, but that is true of every game Texas played that year and every game that any national championship team plays. But games such as this one can and should be adequately covered in the team's season article, not in stand-alone articles for each game. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
The more I look at it, the clearer it becomes that this article does not warrant a stand-alone article. The "Analysis" section of the article notes that the game was Texas' "poorest performance of the season ... both offensively and defensively," and then details the poor performances given by various players and units. It strike me as fundamentally misguided to allow a stand-alone article about a game where the only supposedly "extraordinary" thing about it is that the performances were poor in comparison to the rest of the season. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Further note: The game at issue, according to List of Texas Longhorns football games, is not even regarded as one of the great games in Texas football history. Indeed, it is not even rated as one of Texas' greatest games of the 2005 season -- the linked article lists three 2005 Texas games as being among the great games, but notably does not include this one. Moreover, I've yet to see any evidence that this game has been the subject of enduring, significant coverage after the immediate aftermath of the game. If this game, involving a poor performance by a good team, meets the standard for a stand-alone article, then "Katy bar the door," 'cause people will feel free to create game articles for just about any game played by a major program. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
If we put it on that list, would that make a difference?-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 02:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
No, putting it on the list, belatedly and while the AfD is pending, wouldn't make a difference. ;) Cbl62 ( talk) 05:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Why would failing to put it on the list before make any difference? Wikipedia is far from complete, and perhaps that article is incomplete. Failure of this article to not be mentioned in that article is not a reason to delete this article.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:37, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Paulmcdonald: The exclusion from the Texas games list is merely one piece of circumstantial evidence. The more central point is that there is a long-standing practice in the college football and American football projects to (a) include game summaries in articles covering each team's season (see 2005 Texas Longhorns football team#Texas A&M) and (b) limit stand-alone articles about individual games to bowl games, championship games, or, in rare cases, regular season games that have truly historic or enduring importance (e.g., 1869 New Jersey vs. Rutgers football game). You were the one who created List of historically significant college football games -- do you honestly believe the game at issue here belongs on such a list of historically significant games? My bottom line: There is nothing historic or extraordinary about this game to warrant a departure from the general practice. Further, as noted above, noboby has presented evidence that this game received enduring coverage (i.e., significant coverage beyond news reports in the game's immediate wake). Cbl62 ( talk) 16:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Good arguments and sound reasoning. Where I disagree is that I do not believe that "historic or extraordinary" are the proper measures of notability. The proper measure, in my view, is best expressed in WP:GNG and WP:N. There we find that topics are presumed acceptable for inclusion if they pass the general notability guideline and do not violate any given policy. Measures such as "historic" or "extraordinary" lead to personal interpretation instead of a specific measure. And that's why I find this article and others like it to be notable and worthy of inclusion--because this article and its "cousins" meet the specific measure.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 16:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
For me, it's not a question of notability, as most Power Five games get enough significant, non- WP:ROUTINE coverage to pass WP:GNG. It's an issue of editorial judgment in how we present content about individual games, and I think team season articles are the best format, with an exception for the truly exceptional game that requires a more in depth analysis. Cbl62 ( talk) 17:07, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
That's sound reasoning. The issue I see is that what usually happens is the game article is deleted and the season article is either never created or the game information is never added. In other words, I find that many times that "merge" is the decision but "delete" is the result. Another problem is that by using season articles for games, we now have double-entry for each game--one for the season article for the home team, and one more for the season article for the visitor team. That makes maintenance more difficult and warrants separate articles.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 14:15, 5 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Daedalus Publishing

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Not a notable publisher--and really part of a walled garden. Drmies ( talk) 01:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep per WP:SKCRIT point #3. This nomination is just too erroneous (although the editor may have read the article), and consensus in the previous AfD discussion, which was closed with a keep result five days before the article was renominated here, had unanimous consensus for retention (except for the nominator). Furthermore, the organization's website here is not dead, and the organization is not defunct. This is evident per the organization having published several bulletins on their website in 2017, the most recent occurring on February 28, 2017 ( link). North America 1000 02:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Immigration Watch Canada

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We have no need for an article on a defunct organization that has no historical value. I just noticed this was just up for deletion last month ...after I made this nomination....sorry. anyone free tO cancel this nomination if it's too soon. But was anyone aware the site has been dead for almost a year. http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/ organization was never able to raise funds. Moxy ( talk) 01:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. If things change and notability is established, then the article can be recreated. Kurykh ( talk) 06:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Ravinder Maan

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Subject fails WP:GNG as well as WP:NACTOR (it requires "significant roles in multiple notable films"). Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. I could be wrong, given how hard it is to find English sources, but nothing I found credibly indicates this passes GNG. The claim that Maan has had notable film roles for decades is extraordinarily unlikely; why else wasn't it created until its subject came along to do it four days ago? City Of Silver 00:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment (may change this to a vote later). She had a leading role in Ganga Yamuna. If she has had a leading role in any other film or TV show, she would pass WP:NACTOR. Right now I'm not seeing it, but it's possible given the length of her career. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 01:34, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Seventh-day Adventist_Church#Health and diet. Mz7 ( talk) 04:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Country Life Restaurants

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there is no notability in country life restaurants and a restaurant is not important to SDA doctrines and there is no reason to list every small business that exists in another words just because your business has its own website does not mean its eligible for wikipedia this violates WP:CORP and WP:NOT also the article seems to be more what ellen white said about what we should eat than the actual restaurant itself Jonnymoon96 ( talk) 00:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:19, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Randy Boyd (Tennessee public figure)

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Major puff piece article, created by paid SPA account. Fails WP:BIO. Information is all about his companies, nothing about the man. scope_creep ( talk) 23:34, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Most of the Keep comments below either aren't based on showing that the subject meets our notability guidelines or have been effectively rebutted. Consequently I have to give those reduced weight. Hut 8.5 22:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

South Front

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Current sourcing does not show notability. While there are a few borderline reliable sources covering the site, most are non-reliable or self published. Article was PRODded, but this was removed without real explanation. Mdann52 ( talk) 23:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. The PROD was deleted by Jd2718 because it was not even brought to discussion. Nobody should rush to delete articles without consensus. I've added two more sources that shouldn't be considered unreliable, anybody can put more if they find any. I also don't see why all of a sudden this has turned into a big deal, nobody paid much attention to it for almost a whole year, and now it needs to be deleted? With that logic, let's delete the articles for Russia Insider, Bellingcat, Voice of Russia, Kavkaz Center, and Ukraine Today, because they all contain unreliable sources. Sure, we've had discussions that led to a standstill, but has anybody really offered to improve the article until recently? SkoraPobeda ( talk) 23:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Neither of the two sources you added contributes to notability. This is a mere passing mention (not in-depth coverage) while this is a passing mention in an op-ed (again, not in-depth coverage). Neutrality talk 04:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
The closing admin should disregard this comment. The test for notability is not "Google searches" (that's a notability fallacy); it's significant, in-depth coverage in independent sources. Wikipedia:Search engine test, Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Google test. As for the disparagement of Volunteer Marek, see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Arguments to the person. Neutrality talk 15:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - In addition to Globalresearch and Thesaker.is, the reporting of SouthFront is as well regularly picked up by Almasdarnews [1] and SOTT.net [2] . SOTT.net is cited 28 times throughout Wikipedia and Almasdarnews.com 61 times, so I assume some relevance. Will editing the article in this way help - will adding of these sources make it relevant? 6583-GSBE ( talk) 12:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply


  • Keep, but. Before I weigh in, a point. The PROD nomination and deletion (mine) are not relevant to this discussion. The comments about VM's rather obvious point of view are out of place here; we are not discussing his action. The nominator's implication that removing the PROD required a better explanation is also out of place - no explanation is required, and there was one, anyhow.
South Front is one of a number of quick-publish sites on crises areas - it appears that their main focus is Syria, but they also cover Yemen and Ukraine. South Front's POV is unmistakably pro-Russian government. This sort of site is relatively new, or has gained a relatively new prominence. This article https://medium.com/@d1gi/the-election2016-micro-propaganda-machine-383449cc1fba#.wd36umax1 (apologies for bare link) identifies Southfront as a unique node in a "micropropaganda network," (not "one of" but the top destination worldwide). In content, SF resembles a number of other sites, including Al-Masdar News (we have a stubby article) - though with the latter some of the personalities involved have identified themselves.
There's a problem here. By WP's notability guidelines, the SF article would only be notable if we had significant secondary sources, which we do not, or if such sources exist, but we have not yet identified them. Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of the sourcing in the article. By one Supreme Court justice's pornography guideline I know it when I see it - South Front is notable.
Options? 1) Delete it. But that's deleting an article that should be notable. 2) Keep as is. That's at odds with WP policy. 3) Modify policy - not a chance, not unless/until this sort of website becomes a much bigger factor, and knowing that discussion of changes to core policy.... 4), and what I recommend, assume that the sourcing that makes this article notable exists, and admonish editors to work on providing it. Jd2718 ( talk) 16:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The closing admin should disregard this comment, from an IP who has made no other edits, because it fails to address actual policy considerations. 96.235.184.80, the fact that an organization wants a Wikipedia article doesn't mean they get one. The fact that they are actively campaigning for a Wikipedia article, again, is irrelevant to the determination of notability. All of the "reasons" that this group presents have nothing to do with Wikipedia's actual notability inquiry, which is: are there significant, in-depth coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject? The answer is no. Neutrality talk 02:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Salt (chemistry). ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 02:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Strong salt

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Very rarely used term. See [3] Tomásdearg92 ( talk) 21:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Salt (chemistry). ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 02:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Weak salt

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Very rarely used term. See [4] Tomásdearg92 ( talk) 21:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete as WP:A11: Article about a subject obviously invented by article creator or associate, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 01:46, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable color system proposed by a makeup artist. Lacks significant coverage. A google search scares up few references to the term. reddogsix ( talk) 21:23, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Sources presented here indicate that there is level of significant coverage in Russian-language sources on this club that goes beyond routine match reporting. The inbedwithmaradona source in the article indicates that the club has received a degree of significant coverage in international media too, despite their lowly status. Not the most notable club by any stretch of the imagination, but GNG seems to be met from the four sources presented. Fenix down ( talk) 14:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

FK Birobidzhan

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Contested PROD. Concern was No indication this club meets WP:GNG or WP:FOOTYN. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 23:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • I completely agree about bias. But it's useless to assert notability here in an AfD discussion, or to point to another Wikipedia. THIS article itself needs to self-evidently describe a notable team and at present it makes no such assertion. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 10:17, 21 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: With a heavy heart, I am inclined to give a delete !vote here. I totally agree with the points of English-based bias and of this was a 4th tier English team they would have their own article. However, I feel this is more of a bias that is fundamental to sources, rather than to Wikipedia in this case. The English team would have sources, whereas I can find no such sources anywhere online. As Wikipedia is founded on notability and no original research, I must give a delete vote here. TheMagikCow ( talk) 18:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Ahh, I was searching in English only. Can you find anything to establish notability in Russian? TheMagikCow ( talk) 16:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC) reply
This article has a good history of football in the area, and of the team, and I think meets WP:GNG. This one is referenced in the article, and though a bit short, gives a brief history; as does this one referenced in the Russian wikipedia article for the team. Nfitz ( talk) 17:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was Speedy delete. Creators aren't allowed to remove speedy deletion tags BTW. Hut 8.5 21:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Ivansson Nonprofit Research Institute

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On the Talk page - according to the article's author, who claims to be the founder - "I founded my nonprofit research institute Today". May be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Attempts to speedy, resulted in removal of tag. DarjeelingTea ( talk) 20:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

MillionDallaCapo

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My reading comprehension abilities may be failing me, but I can find no evidence in the cited source that this person had a Billboard Hot 100 number-one single as claimed in the article. Doesn't appear to meet WP:NMUSIC. Ahecht ( TALK
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It looks like an IP editor tried to change the Billboard Hot 100 mention to Reverbnation but it was reverted by a bot. In any case, I don't believe that Reverbnation qualifies for criteria #2 of WP:MUSICBIO. -- Ahecht ( TALK
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  • Delete – The claim that the subject charted #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 is patently false, and I cannot find any evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources (e.g. critic reviews, attention from mainstream news media) that would indicate any notability for the subject at this time per WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Mz7 ( talk) 20:25, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Per Lepricavark, I'm going to wait until April 27, 2017 before starting a 4th AfD. ( non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 02:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Einar Kuusk

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No evidence of passing WP:NBIO, as the sources in the article are unreliable. Second AfD was closed as no consensus. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 15:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Farrah (band). ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 02:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Jez Ashurst

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Unsourced stub for over a year. Searches do not return any significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Does not pass WP:GNG and any connection to WP:NMUSIC would have to inherit notability from other works. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 00:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Subject of this BLP fails WP:NGOLF. Absent meeting the NGOLF criteria would need to be judged by GNG. Not sufficient sources either in article, or based on offline search, to establish general notability. (Note that there is a link in the article to a LPGA player bio, however, this appears to be an aspirational vision board-type link as it is to someone other than this individual who does not appear to be a LPGA pro.) Also, need a RS establishing she was a professional dancer at 2 years old. Based on the username of the page's author, the birth date of the BLP, and the fact there is a "thank you" shout-out to the BLP's father mid-article, this may be an autobiography. DarjeelingTea ( talk) 18:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 01:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Article creator contested PROD. This is a civil servant/security official who does not meet WP:GNG, WP:NPOL, or WPNAUTHOR. The excessive extternal links as well as links to blurb descriptions of his books raise promotional concerns as well. TonyBallioni ( talk) 18:21, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

List of Texas Longhorns football games

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This "list of the greatest games in the history of the Texas Longhorns football program" has multiple issues, including:

  • Unclear inclusion criteria: The single source is a dead link, but I recovered it from the Internet Archive here. According to the source, "In honor of the Centennial Year of Texas Football, a Blue Ribbon committee met in the summer of 1992 to select great games and moments in Texas Football history. These were their selections. (Additional games from 1992-present have been added to the list.)". The composition of the Blue Ribbon committee is unclear, as is the procedure by which post-1992 games were selected. Additionally, it does not appear that there is a 1:1 relationship between the entries in the source and the article, meaning that some other editorial filter was applied to the article that may constitute original research.
  • Close paraphrasing: It appears several entries are closely paraphrased from the sole source. For example, the very first entry in the list: "Texas' very first football game was an astounding upset victory. The varsity team sent a band of 15 players to face the 'Champions of Texas' Dallas Football Club, a team that had been undefeated for several years. The game ended with an 18-16 upset victory for Texas. From there, Texas went undefeated in its first season of football." Source: "Texas' very first football game was an astounding upset, as the varsity sent a band of 15 or 16 players (the exact number was not recorded) north to face the 'Champions of Texas' Dallas Foot Ball Club. The Dallas team, which had been undefeated for several years and unscored on for quite some time as well, fell to the boys from Texas, 18-16. The Thanksgiving Day battle was witnessed by nearly 2,000 fans, the largest crowd to see a Dallas game up to that time.'
  • Unencyclopedic tone: Probably because the article is solely sourced to an internal University of Texas website, the entire text is very pro-Texas, to the point where adherence to WP:NPOV is questionable.

Due to all of the above issues, I recommend deleting the list and starting over. – Grondemar 17:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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@ Paulmcdonald: How is this article any more useful for navigation or research purposes than List of historically significant Michigan Wolverines football games, an article that you successfully nominated for deletion back in 2011? (I thought the Michigan list was pretty solid, but it got shot down.) Cbl62 ( talk) 00:06, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
I'd say that the difference is in the title - the Michigan one contains "historically significant" while this one makes no such distinction. As such this list does not make pretensions of being a compilation of all "historically significant" Texas games, notable or not, but can be focused into a list of, say, all Texas games which are notable (i.e. all that have articles), which is what I suggest above. It's more or less a WP:LISTN argument. ansh 666 03:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
That was about six years ago--without revisiting the original article, I guess I would say that I probably have changed my mind through the course of 6 years discussion on Wikipedia.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 21:39, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Paulmcdonald: I'd agree that in theory a list of games would be useful for navigation and research. The problem is this list is not useful for navigation since it is mostly unwikified (possibly because of close paraphrasing / copyvio?), and of minimal value for research as it cites only one source. It's also hard to say the list is "easier to maintain" when it doesn't appear the list has been updated since 2009. – Grondemar 00:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply
Copyvio would be an issue, I'll be neutral on that for now. If it's there, then delete. Otherwise, what you mention are editing issues and not deletion issues.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 05:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:22, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Numerous references in the article but they are either unreliable, brief mentions, quotes, etc. There is one from Forbes [7] but written by a contributor and not staff. The Forbes piece also focuses on the business with him providing insight, not a piece that focuses on him in-depth. CNMall41 ( talk) 17:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. And salted. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:24, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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This page has been deleted at least twice (that I know of) in the last month. Highly promotional. At this point please delete and though I rarely ask for this, I believe salting is in order. Onel5969 TT me 17:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Comment - Hi L3X1 - I don't believe G4 is applicable, since it was speedied twice before. My interpretation of G4 is that it was deleted at AfD. Onel5969 TT me 18:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Thanks Onel5969 Thanks for explaining, I'm in the process of learning about CSD. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 20:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was Withdrawn, as no longer needed. Article speedy-deleted twice. Jytdog ( talk) 22:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Media Allegations, Criminal Charges, and Conviction of Jung Myung Seok

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This was created as a POV fork by a SPA as part of a series of edits about Providence (religious movement), a controversial religious group in which three articles were created in a user sandbox: this POV fork, here, a mostly positive "main" bio, and here on the movement, which were then copied into mainspace. The article about the group has been subject to an ANI threads about its promotional nature (which was discussed in the popular media) - see threads here and here. This is more disruption. Jytdog ( talk) 17:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Background: Providence related articles are often subject to white washing by Single Purpose Accounts. Several of these accounts are now banned.

See:

Harizotoh9 ( talk) 21:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

For the article itself. Let's scan some sources. The source " http://jmsprovidence.com" is used heavily throughout the article. This is a Providence self-published website and not reliable as a source. I would request review of the other sources as well as many are in Korean, and I am not sure how to read them or analyze them. The title of the article is strange. "Media allegations" is weird to include. If he was charged and convicted, then it doesn't matter what the media alledged. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 22:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

I have studied the source jmsprovidence.com. It is a CGM self published website, but it links to various news articles published by various news sources. What jmsprovidence sought to do is to translate these sources, and put them in a logical fashion for non-korean readers to understand. It also compiled hardcopy sources of some news articles (in its original scanned copy), where it is no longer available on the internet. I agree that we should not cite anything directly from commentary from jmsprovidence.com, but the article cites directly from the news sources themselves. How else would you like to provide the Korean translations? (I put them under the quotes. Feel free to verify them one by one) I verified those translations against native korean readers, as well as google translate and naver korean to english dictionary (i do know some korean myself). That is what you can do as well, find a korean friend or use google translate (although that does have errors). User:Sawol, will you be able to help verify the korean or find any korean editors who are able to? Avataron ( talk) 00:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Additionally, I included "Media allegations" into this article, because Jung actually won a lawsuit against the original 1999 media allegations, but this happened after he was convicted. So it was a possible case of Media allegations that led to him being convicted, therefore it is important to delineate the difference. Moreover, AFTER Jung was convicted, there were more media allegations against him in 2010-2012 which resulted in charges were dropped against Jung because there was no evidence. And in 2013, another set of media allegations were quashed by the Justice Minister. And in 2014, SBS made media allegations against Jung which did not result in charges. It is important to make the distinction between the process of Media allegations, charges, and conviction for these reasons. For discussion please. Avataron ( talk) 00:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
It seems to me that Avataron ( talk) is accurate in his/her description of the sources used. For example, although http://jmsprovidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/201204_Newsmaker-_Why_is_the_CGM_back_in_the_spotlight.pdf is used, the original article is scanned at http://jmsprovidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Newsmaker-April-2012.compressed.pdf While many users in the en.wikipedia may not know korean, Avataron ( talk) has attempted to put english translation of the cited sources. @ Cjwon348 and Oil0518:, as qualified ko-en translators, will you be able to help verify the cited quotations from the Korean sources in this article? Many thanks. Phoenix0316 ( talk!) 04:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC) — Phoenix0316 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
  • !Vote Keep. While I acknowledge the history of edit warring, whitewashing, etc on the Providence (religious movement) page, this article presents credible sources from various points of views, provides the translations necessary for english editors to evaluate, This article presents various POVs, from a third party researcher, and gives detailed examination of the media allegations, charges and conviction of Jung Myung Seok. The Providence (religious movement) page is directed at covering about the group and its founder, and not supposed to be solely focused on the controversies surround Jung Myung Seok. Therefore, this current article warrants a page on its own. Avataron ( talk) 14:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Avataron ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. — Avataron ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
I posted the above to give context to this article. This is part of a long term pattern of behavior. There is a long history of SPA's coming in and whitewashing Providence related articles, and using questionable sources or sources tied to Providence themselves. This is within this pattern. For the article itself, I don't see the great need for it. It looks to be a POV fork with the purpose of minimizing the negative information in the Providence articles, moving it to a new article. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 00:04, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
I agree that there is a long term pattern of behavior. However, perhaps it is time to consider that the behavior was due to the existing article has not been providing alternate perspectives of the issue, because it is predominantly negative about Providence, as you have acknowledged. It is the ironclad rule for WP:NPOV to allow all perspectives to be expressed proportionately. Therefore, this article should not be hastily classified under the white-washing attempts just because I, as the article writer, am a Near SPA. Look at the substance of the article. Look at the substance of the sources cited. Are they fair? Do they present all sides fairly? Do they discuss an issue that warrants a page on its own? That SHOULD be the guide to whether this article is kept or deleted. Avataron ( talk) 00:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
Yep, bundling it here makes sense. Thanks! Jytdog ( talk) 18:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply

So can someone explain why we need this huger article, and this cannot be covered in the page about this person? Slatersteven ( talk) 18:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Since the pages are deleted, then this page can be closed. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 22:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Jason Schenker


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None of the sources provided are independent of the subject. This seems like a promotional peacock article. fails WP:NAUTHOR "bestseller" on amazon is not reliable as per WP:NBKCRIT WP:BKCRIT. Fails WP:GNG. Domdeparis ( talk) 17:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply


  • Strong keep article in question clearly passes WP:GNG as subject of article has been covered by media which is reliable, provides assumption and independent of subject. I do worry about this nomination, it is as if nominator of article is biased or does not have proper knowledge of Wikipedia laws and polices. Celestina007 ( talk) 19:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete in its present form. For an article of this length, there are quite a few references - but look closer. Most of them are by the subject, or about them. A list of articles that the subject wrote, a list of books by the subject on Amazon, a linkedin page, links to events at which the subject spoke... None of these show that the subject is notable under our rules. They prove that the subject exists - which is good, certainly for them. But that doesn't mean they're notable. If the subject has been covered in media, links to those articles would be lovely - as none are present in the article as it stands. There is one link to a Bloomberg article, but that doesn't really do anything either since - wait for it - the subject writes for Bloomberg. If we're to keep this article, then we need to have more information from reliable and independent sources. I don't see anything like that so far. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 19:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment As the nominator I'd just like to point out that the only other keep vote is from a User who created an article that was nominated for deletion and I !voted to delete. Within a few minutes of a comment here that I left on the discussion page they then undid a speedy that I had added (that was subsequently speedily deleted), accused me of being offensive to another user (someone with whom in reality I am working with) and made a strong keep on this article and insinuated that I was biased and/or ignorant of "laws" (sic) and policies. Domdeparis ( talk) 10:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete There doesn't seem to be significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. I am seeing a lot of quotes by the subject, but nothing much in detail - what the subject achieved and what made them notable. The votes by the SPA make me wonder if the intention is to promote. At this point, I will go with a delete. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 17:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 17:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Volodymyr Ostapchuk

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May not meet the notability standards, and article has no refs whatsoever TJH2018 talk 16:51, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Hosting the world biggest music event is quite important, I guess. References are in the Eurovision Song Contest 2017 page. EricLewan talk 18:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Agreed. The sole fact that he's hosting the Eurovision makes him relevant enough. ׺°”˜`”°º× ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 21:48, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus is for deletion. North America 1000 01:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Hoshi wo Miru Hito

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Article was previously redirected to its developer for lack of adequate sourcing, but the developer ( Hot B) was deleted for the same reason. The game itself does not have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources ( ?), which is to say that we don't have enough reliably sourced information to write a full article on the topic. czar 16:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom. I cannot find much coverage in Japanese sources either besides a few "the soundtrack will be released on [date]" types of articles. I imagine that if it has been covered, it's in print magazines, although it doesn't seem to have been reviewed by Famitsu (judging from its entry in their database).-- IDV talk 09:54, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I don't have access to many sources which would be likely to cover a 1980s Japan-only video game, regardless of notability, but the simple lack of any claim of importance says enough for me.-- Martin IIIa ( talk) 22:52, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - as my nom. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 16:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable person. WP:BEFORE shows only PR-based coverage or passing mentions, none of the significant coverage in independent, reliable sources that WP:GNG requires. Article tagged for notability concerns since December 2008. Exemplo347 ( talk) 16:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:05, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Forces Gateway

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Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NWEB. Non-notable UK Government site, tagged for notability for over 9 years. Exemplo347 ( talk) 15:53, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Possibly, there's no information that confirms this though. If it is, that other website doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NWEB either. Exemplo347 ( talk) 19:27, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy Keep - Nomination withdrawn ( non-admin closure). Adding source found by AlessandroTiandelli333 to the article. Exemplo347 ( talk) 01:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Euromasters

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Non-notable band/music group that does not meet WP:GNG and has been tagged for Notability for over 9 years - only one single released, plus a remix of the same - no evidence of any chart success. WP:BEFORE search provides no Significant coverage in Reliable, Independent Sources that the GNG requires. Exemplo347 ( talk) 15:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

I'm from the Netherlands and I like to mention that these guys are pretty notable in the "hardcore-scene". The track Alles naar de kloote was a signature-track that made the public pay attention to this (then new) kind of music. If I may say so, it would be a loss if it was deleted. Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 18:36, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia requires that the subjects of its articles meet the General Notability Guideline. Do you have any evidence that Euromasters meets these requirements? If not, there's no justification for keeping the article. Exemplo347 ( talk) 19:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Even the Dutch Wikipedia does not provide any sources and I'm bounded by a white-list so I'm unable to add any of my one... They made more than one single though:
  • Amsterdam Waar Lech Dat Dan?
  • Alles Naar De Klote!!!
  • Neuken In De Keuken (Noiken In De Koiken)
  • Oranje Boven
  • A Message From Hell
  • Rotterdam Ech Wel
  • Everybody Clap Your Hands

If this helps. Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 19:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Well, sources are needed - Wikipedia articles need to be verifiable - I spent time searching for information before starting this discussion and nothing I found meets the requirements that I've pointed out to you. Exemplo347 ( talk) 19:36, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
If it gets deleted, too bad... I guess it's notable enough for the Dutch Wiki but not necessarily for the international English one. If it goes, I'll understand, so be it. Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 19:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Unfortunately, the fact that articles exist in another language Wikipedia isn't reason enough to keep an article on the English-language Wikipedia. Exemplo347 ( talk) 20:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Didn't I just say that? No offence... Oxygene7-13 ( talk) 20:16, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
You didn't, and I thought it was worth emphasising. Please can you take care that your edits don't completely destroy the formatting of the discussion in future? Thanks Exemplo347 ( talk) 20:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Vivek Vij

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Google search does not turn up independent references to this surgeon. (Two people turn up, a surgeon and a dentist. This is the surgeon.) It does turn up a lot of "vanity" hits on this surgeon. If the promotional peacock stuff were trimmed out of this article, not much would be left. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep As much as new articles which may not meet Wikipedia standards are deleted, we also forget that as an editor, deletion of articles is considered a final resort, that Is, when all maintenance tags placed on articles are left unaddressed, in this case, none until today, have been issued. I say the editor and article be given time to develop as we do not want to scare away new potential editors.

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  • Comment - This is not a stub but a multi-paragraph article, and the author does not, in my opinion, need time to develop it further. However, if the author wants time to develop it further so as to pass notability, they may move it to user space or draft space, or request that someone else move it to user space or draft space. If the author requests that I move it to draft space, I will move it to draft space, and will withdraw this AFD (since this is a notability AFD and AFD does not apply in draft space). Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete for failing WP:BIO and WP:GNG. The article is totally unreferenced, especially for all of the listed awards. Clarityfiend ( talk) 01:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: The subject fails WP:GNG. An online search of the subject doesn't show the subject being discussed in reliable sources.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 23:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Communication, Culture & Technology Program

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This was originally PROD'd for other reasons, but one of which I believe still applies:

  • Per WP:OUTCOMES, individual study programs at notable universities are not themselves notable unless they have been the subject of significant coverage independent of the university.

This is still the case. The sources are not sufficiently independent of the subject or primarilly third party. The only sources given are either WP:PRIMARY ( [9], [10], [11], [12]), or irrelevent (e.g. [13], [14], [15], [16] do not mention the subject at all or purely peripherally), are not reliable (e.g. [17]), or are self-sourced ( [18]). Clearly fails WP:GNG. Most of the article can be placed in the parent article; whatever is left is an advert for a particular course. Which as the original PROder notes, is not notabe in itself. O Fortuna! ...Imperatrix mundi. 15:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 08:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable instrument-maker. Winged Blades Godric 15:15, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Clearly notable: has entry in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and his instruments are held in several major collections (not just in Florence!). I've upgraded the article. Pam D 21:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per PamD. In addition to the (inaccessible to me) Oxford Dictionary, various museums and institutions provide information about him, which I've used to expand the article. Clarityfiend ( talk)
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 10:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable instrument maker. Winged Blades Godric 15:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 10:35, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable clock-maker. Winged Blades Godric 15:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: did the nominator do a WP:BEFORE search? Admittedly there are a load of absolutely pathetic little stubs which have been created based on this one museum in Florence by a "Wikipedian in Residence" who appeared not to have much clue how to contribute to an international encyclopedia, but this one is salvageable. Have added a couple of refs and an image. Pam D 21:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - meets GNG based on improvements by PamD. Smmurphy( Talk) 17:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete. ( non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet biographic notability with independent references. Google search turns up advertisements for her perfumes. This draft reads like yet another advertisement for her perfumes. Removing promotional language wouldn't leave much. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:02, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 22:04, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable craftsman. Winged Blades Godric 13:51, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Well, I fail to find a single of your so-called sources discussing the subject non-trivially.Existence≠Notability. Winged Blades Godric 16:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
That's your interpretation. I refuse to believe than a non-notable carver from several hundred years ago would have obtained so many "trivial" mentions. Non-notable people tend to be forgotten after a few hundred years have gone by. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Notability is a guideline rather than a policy because there is no exact threshold. In practise, many reference works have brief entries for people of this sort and there is no requirement for us to have some specific amount of information. As a lower bar for this sort of topic, my favourite example is Chitty (cricketer). If he gets in then we should certainly have people like Crosten too. Andrew D. ( talk) 16:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

List of counsel appearing in Canadian appeals to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council

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Non-notable list. Fairly arbitrary selection of lawyers appearing in a court (and one that does not as I understand it have jurisdiction in Canada any more). Can't see any coverage of lists of Canadian counsel appearing in JCPC as a particular grouping otherwise than on wikipedia. Has been tagged for fixing for a few years with no improvement. Harris ( talk) 13:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Deleted as a copyright violation RickinBaltimore ( talk) 14:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Jurong West Bus Package

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As per WP:NOTDIRECTORY Onel5969 TT me 13:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Onel5969: Lemongirl942 has speedy tagged this as a copyright infringement. Nördic Nightfury 13:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Thanks for the heads up Nordic Nightfury - if it gets speedily deleted, I'll withdraw the nomination. Onel5969 TT me 14:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 22:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Giovan Battista Verle

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Failed to find any reliable reference that states the notability of the subject or his imp. in the field. Winged Blades Godric 13:01, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep despite the misrepresentation of Andrew's rationale above, it is quite clear that Andrew was arguing for the notability of the subject. It would appear that the American Journal of Ophthalmology would also !vote keep, if it had an account. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
I am having troubles finding the AJO link.Can any of you please provide the link?Thanks! Winged Blades Godric 16:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep - the full AJO ref is: Messenger, Harry K. "Giovanni battista verle, venetian: famous ivory turner in the service of Cosimo III grand duke of Tuscany, and anatomist of the human eye." American Journal of Ophthalmology 25, no. 7 (1942), according to google scholar. I can't go over to the library right now, but that is pretty convincing. Smmurphy( Talk) 21:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Heath Slater and Rhyno

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Previously deleted for not meeting WP:GNG. All sources are WP:ROUTINE match results, not significant independent coverage. Individuals are notable, but the team is not (at least not yet). Nikki♥ 311 12:30, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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I mentioned this on the main talk page: According to Nikki 311's reasoning which is and I quote, "Individuals are notable, but the team is not (at least not yet)". Uh....ok. If Heath Slater and Rhyno aren't "notable" then why the world does The Ascension, The Vaudevillains, etc. have their own page and it doesn't get "nominated for deletion". Now I know that The Ascension and The Vaudevillains were Tag Team Champions just like Heath Slater and Rhyno, but there is a difference. A BIG DIFFERENCE...The Vaudevillains and The Ascension were NXT Champions, while Heath Slater and Rhyno were SmackDown Tag Team Champions. Developmental vs. Main Roster. And like another user on the talk page said, they were the inaugural SmackDown Tag Team Champions and the longest reigning. If that doesn't call notable, I don't know what does. Thank you. -- Chrismaster1 ( talk) 02:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The last AfD took place while they were champions and nothing has changed since them to make them more notable. These were two established guys thrown together to make a team, the Vaudevillains and Ascension guys aren't separable from their tag team gimmick... If anything their individual articles should be merged with the main tag team article. LM2000 ( talk) 12:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Non-notable put together team like Breezango and Golden Truth that will split up and no one will ever remember. The Vaudevillains and Ascension are notable because they are strictly tag teams, while Health Slater and Rhino are known for singles competition and are not notable because of this tag team. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 17:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Nuetral but lean towards keep I don't think this article necessarily needs deleted. There are a decent number of sources. This tag team has been around for a good bit of time now and are still a team. They were also the inaugural SmackDown Tag Team Champions, as well as the longest reigning. -- JDC808 ♫ 09:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Mz7 ( talk) 21:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Robin Skinner

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Deletion requested by article subject on OTRS ticket #2017022710002279, per WP:BBLP. Nominator expresses no opinion. Yunshui  雲 水 10:08, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

On reflection, I am going to express my opinion that this article be deleted - it does not appear that the subject of the article meets WP:PROF, and further discussion suggests this article may actually be a joke created by one of his colleagues. Yunshui  雲 水 10:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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Delete. I support deletion of articles for people of marginal notability when the subject requests it.- gadfium 19:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Modern studies on the brain

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Going to boldly propose this strange list for deletion. None of the entries have reliable sources to support them meeting our notability criteria. The list has no inclusion criteria. We are WP:NOTTEXTBOOK and not a collection of lecture notes, nor an index. What do other editors think about this odd list? Tom (LT) ( talk) 10:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The only non-Wikipedia-mirror hit for "modern studies on the brain" (consecutive words) is this Amazon page; the matching text seems to be a chapter header of the book. Weirdly enough the book cover and the article have a very similar picture, so there might be promotion or copvio issues. Tigraan Click here to contact me 14:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 02:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

The Evil Empire: 101 Ways That England Ruined the World

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Per WP:SOAP, we are not a platform for opinion and promotion. The book is not a serious work of history. It comes from a publisher of "irreference" works and is a bundle of fringe ideas. It was written by the head of an advertising agency who naturally tried to hype it on the internet. The Daily Mail was happy to cooperate in this as it gave them the opportunity to rubbish it at length. But if we strip this tabloid mock-battle out then we're not left with much. In this age of fake news, we shouldn't encourage the promotion of fake history and, without the hype, there's not enough here to support the topic as passing WP:NBOOK. Andrew D. ( talk) 13:15, 19 February 2017 (UTC) Andrew D. ( talk) 13:15, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: Per this discussion the Daily Mail is no longer considered to be a RS on Wikipedia, so I've removed the claims backed up by those sources. The arguments that seem to have ultimately led to the DM losing its RS status are "poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication", which means that we probably shouldn't even rely on comments made by people who would otherwise be seen as RS in their own right unless those same claims and comments are backed up by sources that are still seen as RS on Wikipedia. This still leaves two sources, which I'll look at shortly. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • I found reviews by the New Statesman and Publishers Weekly. As ridiculous the claims in the book appear to be, the work does seem to technically pass notability guidelines for books, as it's been written about in four publications that are currently seen as RS. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:57, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Keep. This nomination seems to be a misreading of WP:SOAP - the article itself is not advocating the view that the British Empire is responsible for all the world's evils, it is merely about a book that is promoting that position. And the subject appears to meet Criteria 1 of WP:NBOOK as it "has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself." [19] [20] [21] I personally think that is rather a low bar, but that is what the guideline says.-- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 13:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:29, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Alex Merced

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Non-notable political candidate. Does not have sufficient in depth coverage for WP:GNG and hasn't held a major political office so fails WP:POLITICIAN. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 06:46, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete 3rd party candidates in the US, except maybe ones running for president, are almost never notable for such alone, and nothing else he has done shows notability. Even major party senate candidates are not automatically notable, they need to either have previous notability (which a lot do because they have served in congress, state legislatures or as governor), or they need to get more than routine levels of coverage (which for senate cnadidates of major parties normally exists, since there are only about 32 races every 2 years, while the house has over 400 races every 2 years, although some lack major party candidates.) Nothing about Merced suggests he is notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:28, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Not a notable person per WP:NPOL. No other claim to notability. AusLondonder ( talk) 08:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Unelected candidates for political office do not get articles because candidate per se — they can clear the bar if they can be shown and sourced as having already been notable enough for an article for the work they were doing before they became a candidate, but if you're going for "notable because election campaign" then they have to win the election, not just run in it, to get an article on that basis. But this shows no preexisting notability at all, and is referenced almost entirely to primary sources — and the amount of reliable source coverage actually present here isn't even in the same time zone as a WP:GNG claim. Bearcat ( talk) 21:48, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:09, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Richard Keatley

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This individual does not meet WP:GNG for significant coverage in reliable sources. He doesn't meet WP:POLITICIAN as a candidate for office who isn't in office. PROD removed by article creator. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 06:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

==individual does meet WP:GNG criteria based on coverage in Atlanta Journal Constitution, primary newspaper for city of Atlanta, see ref. 3.~~

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== WP:ACADEMIC added bibliography of independent research in renaissance~~

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  • Delete. Per Wikipedia:CAE, non-notable candidate for office. ErieSwiftByrd ( talk) 04:04, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Local coverage of local elections always exists, so every candidate for any office could always claim to pass WP:GNG if coverage of the election campaign itself were all it took. To get an as yet unelected candidate into Wikipedia before he's declared the winner of the election, what you need to show is one of two things: either (a) he was already notable enough for an article for some other reason before throwing his hat in the electoral ring, or (b) the coverage of his candidacy is exploding to Christine O'Donnell proportions. But simply including a bibliography of his academic publications in the article is not what it takes to get him over WP:ACADEMIC — it takes media coverage about his work as an academic, of which none has been shown here at all — and the amount of campaign coverage shown here is not demonstrating that his candidacy would somehow deserve special treatment over and above all the non-winning candidates in last year's election who didn't get articles for that fact in and of itself. Campaign coverage is WP:ROUTINE, not notability-conferring in and of itself, because no candidate in any election ever fails to garner at least as much coverage as has been shown here — our guiding notability principle is "what will people still need to know ten years from now?", not "who happens to be in the news today?", so politicians get Wikipedia articles for winning election and holding office, not just for running in an election. Bearcat ( talk) 22:00, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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All I see is routine sports reporting on this subject. I don't see anything that would meet WP:NBASE or WP:NCOLLATH. Peaked in Class A ball and never made it past Double-A. Has been tagged for notability off and on for several years. EricEnfermero ( Talk) 05:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Obvious GNG failure, there is clear consensus that players who at one point pass NFOOTY but who's careers then go backwards need to overtly show GNG. This player played in an FPL once. Fenix down ( talk) 15:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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While this article technically meets WP:NSPORT, I think falls under the section in the lede of the guideline which say: the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept (emphasis original). The entirety of this guy's footballing career consists of a single A PFG appearance five years ago, and there's not sign the article meets WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 00:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Reluctant Delete/Comment - although the subject of this article has made one appearance in a professional match, that was nearly five years ago and there is no sign of him making another one soon. Article pretty comprehensively fails WP:GNG with very little to none coverage. Also I would like to say that it was extremely difficult to find sources relating to this subject as "Dimitar Ivanov" is an extremely common name in Bulgaria with plenty of other footballers sharing this name. Although I am hesitant to go against WP:NFOOTBALL I think per GiantSnowman's comment that a delete would be most appropriate in this situation. Inter&anthro ( talk) 19:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Passes WP:NFOOTBALL as mentioned above. Notability is not temporary. Smartyllama ( talk) 20:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was Keep. AustralianRupert ( talk) 05:56, 4 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non notable army officer -- highest rank was Colonel. No substantial coverage--just inclusions in group histories. DGG ( talk ) 01:29, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. (Full disclosure, I wrote the article.) And to be honest I'm surprised and disappointed in this nomination, User:DGG. This is not a MySpace band or a D-list video game character or some obscure recent person. This is an actual historical figure who was involved in and shaped important historical events. If our mission is not to include material on important actors in major historical events, what we even here for? The American Civil War was really important! The 5th Regiment of Missouri Infantry was an important outfit! They fought in some really important battles. James McCown led them throughout the war from start to finish, from Corinth to Vicksburg to Atlanta to Franklin and Nashville to the bitter end at Mobile.
It's true the sources are poor (although sufficient for a reasonable-size article of a few paragraphs), but that's a problem with the sources not the subject. I'll bet that Westerners in Gray: The Men and Missions of the Elite Fifth Missouri Infantry Regiment has lots more, but I don't have that book at hand. But maybe someone who does will come along and add to the article -- unless we, you know, delete it.
I'm just... I'm quite frankly having trouble adjusting to what seems to be a kind of new ethos here, that our job here at the Wikipedia is to trim out existing information so that readers will have less access to information. Why? Are our printing costs getting too high? You know, every time someone looks for information in the Wikipedia and can't find it, a kitten dies.
It's not that we shouldn't get rid of articles. There are several articles made every day that don't belong -- local band, author with a couple non-notable books, local store, somebody's elementary school. Amateur ballplayer, somebody's app, local neighborhood figure. Promotional articles. Fine. James McCown is none of these. He is an actual historical figure on whom material is available even now, 150 years after he died, because people (rightly or wrongly) consider even the details of American history to be important. Herostratus ( talk) 02:31, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply
The nomination is based on the accepted WP:MIL requirement that a person be either a general officer or involved in a major way in something important [etc.], none of which is met here, along with our standard requirement for substantial sourcing. Whatever the relationship of this sng and the gng , neither are met. The significance of these formal requirements is to provide a way to answer the question, what possibly makes him more notable than every Colonel in that war? The reason for asking that question is the basic principle, NOTINDISCRIMINATE.
It is certainly a possibility to set the level higher or lower. Personally, I would have set it higher than the US rank of brigadier general, but since the consensus is to accept them, I do also. Personally, I would count rank and significant events as in the SNG as more important than sourcing (beyond the minimal level of verifiability), but as this is uncertain, I look at both.
The reason we have the basic policy of NOTINDISCRIMINATE is to look like an encyclopedia, which is different from a list of everyone. The line is always going to be arbitrary. The point of an encyclopedia is not that it contains whatever someone can find a source for, but that it have some level of significance. Myself, I think it important to be consistent--at least to some extent. I would very gladly have articles for everything in my own sphere of interest for which I could possibly scrape sourcing together; if I really pushed, I could carry that quite far in the direction of local for my neighborhood (or, for that matter , my extended family or my classmates or my teachers or colleagues.,and I suspect that about a third of them would actually be accepted, if only by accident.) I don't think that's a reasonable way to build a community project. A community project needs community standards. We are already so wildly erratic in our coverage that my view is we should complete what is within our present scope, and leave what is beyond it to specialized resources. DGG ( talk ) 04:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply
I hear you. OK, I looked at WP:SOLDIER. It's basically OK. I think you're being too strict in applying it though.
I am on board with just being a peacetime colonel not by itself being enough to merit an article, usually. I think there's a huge difference between a peacetime colonel and someone who led a regiment in many of the major campaigns of the the most important war in American history, though.
And in fact the rule does say (point 4) "Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign" which McCown did many times. Depending on how you take it; all those terms ("important", "significant", "major") are subjective.
Although point 5 then says "Commanded... in combat... a divisional formation or higher" which McCown did not. Does point 5 negate point 4? Does point 5 imply that "important role" has to be "division command"? Not really; you could be just a company commander, and if your company held a crucial bridge in an important battle, that would be an "important role" I guess. (And in fact John Howard, who was only a major and company commander, did exactly that ( Pegasus Bridge) and has an article because of it.)
I don't know if McCown's command played that kind of important role in some or any of his many battles. I'd be surprised if they didn't. It says here that the 5th was "one of the Civil War’s most decorated... infantry regiments" and if that's true they weren't skulking in the rear. There are books that would tell us more (Bevier's A History of the First and Second Missouri Confederate Brigades for instance) but I don't have them. Herostratus ( talk) 07:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Well but as I noted above WP:SOLDIER includes "Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign". There's no question that the man was in many major battles and campaigns. I'd say that commanding a regiment is an "important role".
As far as WP:GNG, thanks for the link as I did not realize that (a small part) of Westerners In Gray is online. The part that is online has like two pages on McCowns background and early life (pages 7-9); that alone is sufficient to meet GNG. I am quite confident that there are swaths of material on McCowns military activities later in the book, but I cant access those parts. But just the part that is accessible... given this new material, you'd have to bend WP:GNG past the breaking point to hold that that the man doesn't meet GNG. Herostratus ( talk) 20:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Why shouldn't we count coverage in 150+ year old newspapers? Lepricavark ( talk) 15:52, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Many officers in the civil war who had interesting military and non-military careers, such as McCown, are definitely of interest to our editors and readers. In general, and this individual in particular, there is a good deal of contemporary (ie 1800s) news coverage about these individuals, as they were usually community leaders of one sort or another. Burgess and Burgess 2009, the three "150+ year old newspaper" articles currently cited, and the Missouri Historical Review (1913-1914) article give some indication of coverage from over a century ago. In modern sources, McCown is given one or two paragraph biographies with a picture in Piston 2009, Garrett 2009, and in a local history by Roberts and Roberts 2012. Tucker 1995 discusses his role in the war, which does seem to have been at least nearly "important role in a significant military event". Ultimately, I !vote keep based on GNG given the Piston and Garrett coverage in particular. Smmurphy( Talk) 19:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
As a general point, even if the golden rule can't be met with sources that are online or available to most editors, my opinion is that AfD comments should be in part about one's belief about the likelyhood of achieving notability rather than the sources currently in the article. I remember once reading that subject specific guidelines are (or at least used to be) based on the idea that if a subject meets them, they are likely to meet GNG, even if the sources aren't immediately found (that is, they are shortcuts to use when sources are unavailable for individuals who are extremely likely to be notable, and not meant to exclude individuals who don't meet the recommendations). I agree with Herostratus that while the sources were initially poorer than they currently are, it is not a surprise that the sources were improved and I would not be surprised if more sources are added later. As regards to Herostratus' comment about a new ethos, my AGF assumption/hope is that those arguing against retention of the article did not think that better sources could be found or that they do not agree with me that what they found met GNG or they were unable to find sources such as those that have since been added. Smmurphy( Talk) 19:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Right. Thanks mostly to your work I think the subject now meets WP:GNG, pretty clearly, and I call on future commentors and the closer to make note of this. (And even if you wanted to say this are on the borderline and debatable (I don't think it even is anymore), this is a historical figure; as an encyclopedia I think we ought to give a little more shrift to "serious" subjects such as history, geography, science, etc. than we might to videogame characters etc., so the benefit of any doubt would go to retaining the material in this case.) Herostratus ( talk) 20:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep I strongly echo Newyorkbrad's sentiment here. This isn't a stub, but a developed, informative article. The notability of the subject may be borderline, but I believe we should err on the side of keeping an article such as this one. Lepricavark ( talk) 15:52, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Clearly enough material to write a good article with. I'm not all that familiar with this admittedly obscure conflict, but he 5th Missouri Infantry seems to have been famous enough to write book about. Subject seems to have participated in reasonably famous battles. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 09:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep If an individual measures up to the criteria of the GNG then SOLDIER is irrelevant. Furthermore, my confidence in how those on the MILITARY WIKIPROJECT manage and interpret SOLDIER has been completely eroded. Those on the MILITARY WIKIPROJECT usually argue that a General is notable, even if there aren't sufficient references for him to measure up to GNG. But, a few years ago, I saw multiple individuals who usually took that line arguing for the deletion of an article on a rogue General, a guy, moreover, who probably did measure up to GNG. In that AFD these fans of the military took the complete opposite position they usually took. They had suddently decided that the exception to GNG they had alwasy argued SOLDIER had for Generals, didn't apply to one-star Brigadier Generals.

    Anyhow, hats off to those who found the additional references who established McCown measures up to the GNG. Geo Swan ( talk) 16:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Keep generally following the reasoning of Smmurphy and Newyorkbrad. I find the article informative, encyclopedic-ally written, and WP:V. It is of interest to a relatively large set of readers. I do not see how the encyclopedia would be improved with the deletion of this article. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep the fact that the subject mater and citations are many years old should have no effect on the notability of the article. The above keep votes have already illustrated the reasons to keep this article well enough. Inter&anthro ( talk) 22:09, 1 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) J 947 02:48, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable band. Fails WP:Music - The Magnificentist 11:45, 11 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: This article has been on here for 8 years. The band has a big presence on Google and is featured on soundcloud and has stuff removed from Google for copyright violation. This tells me they are significant. If there is stuff on German wiki, def. it can be included. More work to dig up WP:RS is worthy but the article should stay. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 05:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

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Sourced to official websites of author and publisher. There is one article in a WP:RS about the author, but it doesn't mention this book and only mentions the series in passing. Unable to find any other WP:RS discussion of the book. or that it passes any of the criteria of WP:NBOOK. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:46, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. I'm torn between recommending a redirect or just outright deletion. I found one review, but that's pretty much it. It was nominated for a minor children's award but didn't win. Now the thing is, the title itself is incorrect - the title should be The Spook's Nightmare and there's already a redirect under this title that goes to The Wardstone Chronicles, the series page. I suppose that there's some merit in keeping it as an alternate redirect, but typing in Spook's Apprentice brings up the correct title with "The" attached, so I don't know that there's really a need for a different redirect. A look at the history for that redirect shows that there's already a page article history there that actually has a bit more information if this individual book ever gains more coverage in the future. (I forgot that I'd redirected that page back in 2012.) In any case, the book seems to still fail notability guidelines as a whole, the question is do we keep this particular article version as an article redirect or not. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 22:20, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:55, 9 March 2017 (UTC) reply

2005 Texas vs. Texas A&M football game

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Non-notable game that was just one of many in 2005. There was nothing special about this game, and it received only WP:ROUTINE coverage. The game holds little to no historical significance; as such has not been discussed at all by reliable sources in recent years. Lizard ( talk) 02:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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@ Smartyllama: Can you point out a few examples of the "lasting coverage", i.e., significant coverage of this game outside the game's immediate aftermath? Cbl62 ( talk) 22:41, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (or merge any useful content into 2005 Texas Longhorns football team#Texas A&M). In an annual rivalry game, the #2 team in the country defeated an unranked team by a 40–29 score. Texas' 2005 national championship season is highly notable and has a stand-alone article that includes detailed treatment of each game, including this one. As a matter of sound editorial judgment, I do not believe it is prudent to allow stand-alone articles for individual games unless there is something truly extraordinary about them. There is nothing extraordinary about this game. Sure, the game received abundant coverage, but that is true of every game Texas played that year and every game that any national championship team plays. But games such as this one can and should be adequately covered in the team's season article, not in stand-alone articles for each game. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
The more I look at it, the clearer it becomes that this article does not warrant a stand-alone article. The "Analysis" section of the article notes that the game was Texas' "poorest performance of the season ... both offensively and defensively," and then details the poor performances given by various players and units. It strike me as fundamentally misguided to allow a stand-alone article about a game where the only supposedly "extraordinary" thing about it is that the performances were poor in comparison to the rest of the season. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Further note: The game at issue, according to List of Texas Longhorns football games, is not even regarded as one of the great games in Texas football history. Indeed, it is not even rated as one of Texas' greatest games of the 2005 season -- the linked article lists three 2005 Texas games as being among the great games, but notably does not include this one. Moreover, I've yet to see any evidence that this game has been the subject of enduring, significant coverage after the immediate aftermath of the game. If this game, involving a poor performance by a good team, meets the standard for a stand-alone article, then "Katy bar the door," 'cause people will feel free to create game articles for just about any game played by a major program. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
If we put it on that list, would that make a difference?-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 02:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
No, putting it on the list, belatedly and while the AfD is pending, wouldn't make a difference. ;) Cbl62 ( talk) 05:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Why would failing to put it on the list before make any difference? Wikipedia is far from complete, and perhaps that article is incomplete. Failure of this article to not be mentioned in that article is not a reason to delete this article.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:37, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Paulmcdonald: The exclusion from the Texas games list is merely one piece of circumstantial evidence. The more central point is that there is a long-standing practice in the college football and American football projects to (a) include game summaries in articles covering each team's season (see 2005 Texas Longhorns football team#Texas A&M) and (b) limit stand-alone articles about individual games to bowl games, championship games, or, in rare cases, regular season games that have truly historic or enduring importance (e.g., 1869 New Jersey vs. Rutgers football game). You were the one who created List of historically significant college football games -- do you honestly believe the game at issue here belongs on such a list of historically significant games? My bottom line: There is nothing historic or extraordinary about this game to warrant a departure from the general practice. Further, as noted above, noboby has presented evidence that this game received enduring coverage (i.e., significant coverage beyond news reports in the game's immediate wake). Cbl62 ( talk) 16:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Good arguments and sound reasoning. Where I disagree is that I do not believe that "historic or extraordinary" are the proper measures of notability. The proper measure, in my view, is best expressed in WP:GNG and WP:N. There we find that topics are presumed acceptable for inclusion if they pass the general notability guideline and do not violate any given policy. Measures such as "historic" or "extraordinary" lead to personal interpretation instead of a specific measure. And that's why I find this article and others like it to be notable and worthy of inclusion--because this article and its "cousins" meet the specific measure.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 16:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
For me, it's not a question of notability, as most Power Five games get enough significant, non- WP:ROUTINE coverage to pass WP:GNG. It's an issue of editorial judgment in how we present content about individual games, and I think team season articles are the best format, with an exception for the truly exceptional game that requires a more in depth analysis. Cbl62 ( talk) 17:07, 3 March 2017 (UTC) reply
That's sound reasoning. The issue I see is that what usually happens is the game article is deleted and the season article is either never created or the game information is never added. In other words, I find that many times that "merge" is the decision but "delete" is the result. Another problem is that by using season articles for games, we now have double-entry for each game--one for the season article for the home team, and one more for the season article for the visitor team. That makes maintenance more difficult and warrants separate articles.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 14:15, 5 March 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 06:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Daedalus Publishing

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Not a notable publisher--and really part of a walled garden. Drmies ( talk) 01:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep per WP:SKCRIT point #3. This nomination is just too erroneous (although the editor may have read the article), and consensus in the previous AfD discussion, which was closed with a keep result five days before the article was renominated here, had unanimous consensus for retention (except for the nominator). Furthermore, the organization's website here is not dead, and the organization is not defunct. This is evident per the organization having published several bulletins on their website in 2017, the most recent occurring on February 28, 2017 ( link). North America 1000 02:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Immigration Watch Canada

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We have no need for an article on a defunct organization that has no historical value. I just noticed this was just up for deletion last month ...after I made this nomination....sorry. anyone free tO cancel this nomination if it's too soon. But was anyone aware the site has been dead for almost a year. http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/ organization was never able to raise funds. Moxy ( talk) 01:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. If things change and notability is established, then the article can be recreated. Kurykh ( talk) 06:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Ravinder Maan

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Subject fails WP:GNG as well as WP:NACTOR (it requires "significant roles in multiple notable films"). Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. I could be wrong, given how hard it is to find English sources, but nothing I found credibly indicates this passes GNG. The claim that Maan has had notable film roles for decades is extraordinarily unlikely; why else wasn't it created until its subject came along to do it four days ago? City Of Silver 00:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment (may change this to a vote later). She had a leading role in Ganga Yamuna. If she has had a leading role in any other film or TV show, she would pass WP:NACTOR. Right now I'm not seeing it, but it's possible given the length of her career. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 01:34, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Seventh-day Adventist_Church#Health and diet. Mz7 ( talk) 04:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Country Life Restaurants

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there is no notability in country life restaurants and a restaurant is not important to SDA doctrines and there is no reason to list every small business that exists in another words just because your business has its own website does not mean its eligible for wikipedia this violates WP:CORP and WP:NOT also the article seems to be more what ellen white said about what we should eat than the actual restaurant itself Jonnymoon96 ( talk) 00:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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