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The result was delete. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 11:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Nicky Fish
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The last afd failed to reach consensus because during his six year spell at Cardiff City, he played a single FA Cup match. While technically meeting WP:NSPORT, there is no indication the article meets WP:GNG, so, in my opinion, it falls under the part of the WP:NSPORT lede that says: the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. (emphasis theirs) Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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Keepper WP:NFOOTY as he has been a professional player for 9 years and is a 6-time national team player. The non-binding clause from category-specific notability guidelines is generally not invoked, but this isn't really a borderline case anyway. Playing at the highest level in a professional sport is pretty much always grounds for notability. Dea db eef 20:55, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- His six appearances for the Welsh youth teams are explicitly excluded as a source of notability by WP:NSPORT. The guideline also makes it clear that it only applies to those footballers who have played in actual matches. Given that in a six year career, he played only once, then left the game entirely for six years, and is now playing in the fourth tier of Welsh football (a pyramid in which even the first tier isn't fully pro), this very clearly is a borderline case. Finally, the claim that lede of WP:NSPORT is not invoked is factually inaccurate. Just looking at the afd's listed by GiantSnowman at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Takumi Ogawa makes it clear that when relevant, this part of WP:NSPORT is regularly applied. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 21:38, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - one appearance a few years ago (to technically meet WP:NFOOTBALL) is not enough when he fails WP:GNG. Some WP:COMMONSENSE is needed here, and plenty of AFD precedent exists to say that barely passing NFOOTBALL is not enough when you fail GNG, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oscar Otazu, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vyacheslav Seletskiy, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aleksandr Salimov, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrei Semenchuk, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artyom Dubovsky, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cosmos Munegabe, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marios Antoniades, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Sinclair (footballer born 1991), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fredrik Hesselberg-Meyer (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matheus Eccard, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roland Szabó (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metodija Stepanovski, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linas Klimavičius and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Takumi Ogawa, amongst others. Giant Snowman 08:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - He hasn't played in a Fully professional league and he doesn't have any senior international caps either therefore he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. IJA ( talk) 11:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - Technical Nfooty pass, but nothing to indicate GNG. One FPL appearance is insufficient by consensus once the majority of a players career has passed. Fenix down ( talk) 15:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 11:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Nicky Fish
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The last afd failed to reach consensus because during his six year spell at Cardiff City, he played a single FA Cup match. While technically meeting WP:NSPORT, there is no indication the article meets WP:GNG, so, in my opinion, it falls under the part of the WP:NSPORT lede that says: the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. (emphasis theirs) Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk to me 18:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk to me 18:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 19:18, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Keepper WP:NFOOTY as he has been a professional player for 9 years and is a 6-time national team player. The non-binding clause from category-specific notability guidelines is generally not invoked, but this isn't really a borderline case anyway. Playing at the highest level in a professional sport is pretty much always grounds for notability. Dea db eef 20:55, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- His six appearances for the Welsh youth teams are explicitly excluded as a source of notability by WP:NSPORT. The guideline also makes it clear that it only applies to those footballers who have played in actual matches. Given that in a six year career, he played only once, then left the game entirely for six years, and is now playing in the fourth tier of Welsh football (a pyramid in which even the first tier isn't fully pro), this very clearly is a borderline case. Finally, the claim that lede of WP:NSPORT is not invoked is factually inaccurate. Just looking at the afd's listed by GiantSnowman at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Takumi Ogawa makes it clear that when relevant, this part of WP:NSPORT is regularly applied. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 21:38, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - one appearance a few years ago (to technically meet WP:NFOOTBALL) is not enough when he fails WP:GNG. Some WP:COMMONSENSE is needed here, and plenty of AFD precedent exists to say that barely passing NFOOTBALL is not enough when you fail GNG, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oscar Otazu, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vyacheslav Seletskiy, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aleksandr Salimov, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrei Semenchuk, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artyom Dubovsky, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cosmos Munegabe, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marios Antoniades, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Sinclair (footballer born 1991), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fredrik Hesselberg-Meyer (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matheus Eccard, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roland Szabó (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Metodija Stepanovski, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linas Klimavičius and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Takumi Ogawa, amongst others. Giant Snowman 08:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - He hasn't played in a Fully professional league and he doesn't have any senior international caps either therefore he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. IJA ( talk) 11:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - Technical Nfooty pass, but nothing to indicate GNG. One FPL appearance is insufficient by consensus once the majority of a players career has passed. Fenix down ( talk) 15:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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