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The result was Delete. This AfD was never properly opened, and ere was never properly closed, yet the article was deleted nonetheless. Nobody else could ever be admitted here, because this door was made only for you. I am now going to shut it. (non-admin closure) jp× g 21:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC) reply

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Didn't answer my point about it being disjointed. Max Browser ( talk) 20:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Gibberish. You said more or less the same thing when you logged in as Max Browser. International Pumpkin ( talk) 20:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy delete per CSD:A7 - article did not make any claim of notability, or provide evidence of this. Nick-D ( talk) 11:06, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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I could only find primary sources on google; on top of that, I put a CSD tag on the companies article.   I dream of horses ( My talk page) ( My edits) @ 23:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Userfy to User:Bob sleadd retired police/Jazz performers at Black Hawk, 1962. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 15:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Jazz performers at Black Hawk, 1962

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Confusing and WP:OR. Not sure if this is supposed to be about the author, some pictures, or actually something about the title. Can't really fit into any CSD for this article, although it is a possible WP:G2. ☾Loriendrew☽ (ring-ring) 23:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • 'Delete' -Definitely WP:OR. Looks like the article's author might be communicating with Wikipedia in hopes of finding some information he wants, or is wanting to create an article about himself and his photos. WP:G2 seems like a good category, now that the author is in touch with people who can give him some guidance. ABF99 ( talk) 00:36, 12 September 2016 (UTC) changing my ivote to Userfy per Metropolitan90's comments below ABF99 ( talk) 07:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I think G2 would be perfectly acceptable, and even if the CSD criteria don't fit, I am hard-pressed to think of anyone who would want to keep this (I'm guessing a SNOW close here). Primefac ( talk) 01:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Userfy. The writer of this page apparently wants to communicate with people who might have information about the subject, and perhaps his doing so could lead to the addition of information or photos to Wikipedia. This doesn't belong in the mainspace, and he admits that by saying, "I know this is not what is called an 'Article'". But having it on his userpage or a user subpage would probably serve his purposes, would do no harm, and could possibly result in benefit to Wikipedia. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Userfy. It would be a shame to destroy this information because it doesn't fit policy. Put it in user space. Andrew 327 12:04, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Userfy -- an unreferenced personal essay and WP:OR. Wikipedia is not a WP:WEBHOST for personal reminiscences. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as the AfD itself specifies how this, in no form or shape, actually states where it can be acceptable or improved to the levels of an actual article. The fact this was an SPA and the user actually signed it themselves (!!) states how it's quite unlikely they would come and improve it, let alone to the levels of acceptance, if they were not at least knowledgeable of basic uses and activities here at Wikipedia. Therefore, if the article itself contains such a journalesque form, there's nothing to keep, especially if it starts with "I had the special privilege to be allowed....". SwisterTwister talk 02:33, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:05, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't seem to meet the WP:CORPDEPTH standard. All what I see, are PR and WP:ROUTINE coverage. Anup [Talk] 22:41, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. postdlf ( talk) 19:42, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

List of wild animals given human names

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No evidence that such a list is, or could ever be notable. The author in removing the PROD references a blog that superficially discusses the benefits or disbenefits of giving wild animals human names to aid conservation. This suggests that there might be a potential article something like The conservation value of named animals but even this would be at high risk of being WP:OR and this isn't that article. This article has no references other than those for the individual animals. There is no evidence that the concept is notable.   Velella   Velella Talk   22:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Attempting to find sources for this list led me to the same conclusion as the nominator, namely that this list is not notable, but an article on the value of naming wild animals would be notable, since that is heavily discussed in a wide variety of sources. No one suggests simply listing all the wild animals that have been given names... according to the sources I found, this would be akin to simply listing all wild animals in every zoo, ever. Nonsense. Fieari ( talk) 00:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I agree completely with the above arguments. It's arguable that the concept of humanizing wild animals by giving them human names is notable in the first place. Even if it was, this isn't an article on the concept at all. I don't see the value of keeping this page. We should be rid of it. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 04:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I disagree. The value of keeping this page is that it isolates incidences where humans have for various reasons reached across the species divide and declared affinity with animals, by granting them human names. The list should exist as it provides a pool of examples of this curious phenomenon, a phenomenon which tells us a lot about ourselves, and indeed a phenomenon noted in conservationist literature. I note that all animals in zoos are by definition no longer wild, and that listing all named zoo animals (Harambe excluded) would be folly indeed. This here is a different matter. Naming wild animals for their quirks is notable and of interest, I hope you can agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodiddly23 ( talkcontribs) 05:40, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Bodiddly23, I appreciate the sentiment, but we have to follow the sources here, and are not allowed to engage in Original Research. The sources which discuss naming wild animals do lump zoo animals in with the practice. No source I could find discusses exclusively wild, not-in-captivity animals with names, or the activity of naming them. You may be able to find a source that gives a name for a single wild not-in-captivity animal, but collecting all these into a single article would be Original Research without at least one Reliable Source that does the same thing. And this reliable source is what we lack, unless you are aware of one? Fieari ( talk) 05:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Thank you for your thoughts Fieari. I have located this source tackling exclusively the issue of naming wild animals - making a distinction between wild and zoo animals, ie. Cecil the Lion vs Harambe the mountain gorilla in this article: www.theintelligencer.net/news/national-news/2016/07/should-we-name-wild-animals/ I also note this lengthy conservation discussion, though it is not an article per se: http://safaritalk.net/topic/15753-the-naming-of-animals/ Bodiddly23 ( talk) 21:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply


Hello @ Bodiddly23: I think the article you just mentioned from theintelligencer is a valid reliable source. The discussion in safaritalk however is not. If you can find more sources like the one from theintelligencer then you could argue that the subject meets our general notability guidelines by demonstrating in-depth coverage from multiple reliable sources. You could then expand the article to explain the concept and its relevance based on the reliable sources and since the list is short, you include it within the article or keep it as an annex. But all of this only if you can find the needed additional sources to establish notability. If you do I would change my vote to keep (but changing its title). -- Crystallizedcarbon ( talk) 07:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
* Comment If notability is established, a more suitable title, in any case, would be something like "Naming of free wild animals" or "The conservation value of named animals" as suggested by Velella. As Fieari pointed out the current wording of the title includes zoo animals as well. Such a list would make no sense in any case.-- Crystallizedcarbon ( talk) 07:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you @ Crystallizedcarbon:, I am assessing these suggestions. I have renamed the page. I appreciate the guidance. Having found multiple source, I see that the article topic is the phenomenon of naming free wild animals. This article could contain a list of example named free wild animals. I will hone. Bodiddly23 ( talk) 21:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete - per WP:IINFO. There are probably tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of animals in captivity with human names. Such a list is unmaintainable. shoy ( reactions) 14:41, 12 September 2016 (UTC) Misread shoy ( reactions) 12:17, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • shoy, the article concerns wild animals, not animals kept in captivity. Compare cecil the lion with Harambe the western lowland gorilla. The naming of a wild animals is a peculiar and controversial phenomemon, as noted by this article: www.theintelligencer.net/news/national-news/2016/07/should-we-name-wild-animals/ Bodiddly23 ( talk) 21:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - this fails WP:SAL. As Shoy notes, it is an unmaintainable list (scope too large). Moreover, even if named wild animals was a notable topic (plausible, but needs sources), it would not follow that a list of those would be notable - most likely, the parent article could discuss a few examples following RS analysis. Tigraan Click here to contact me 15:42, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Tigraan, what is RS analysis? Surely with all the lists in wikipedia, there is room for a list dedicated to the phenomenon noted in this article: www.theintelligencer.net/news/national-news/2016/07/should-we-name-wild-animals/ A day may come in the near future when we look with wonder at the audacity of man to grant names to wild animals - Benson the Carp for example - to assume, even 'ape' affinity (if I may) with wild creatures. Bodiddly23 ( talk) 21:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Bodiddly23: "RS analysis" = what reliable sources have written about the subject. While an article from the Edwardsville Intelligencer may or may not be considered so (it is a minor newspaper, compare with others at The Intelligencer), that particular article reads like personal opinion of the author, so it probably isn't.
In any case, notability is a higher bar than verifiability, and that is why there is "no room" for that subject on Wikipedia. Unlike in paper media, space is not a problem on Wikipedia, but there still is an "editorial board" (the community) that does not wish Wikipedia to become a place to dump anyone's personal thoughts. (Of course, this is a rough summary of hundreds of pages of guidelines...)
Finally, even if named wild animals was a legitimate subject for an article, I do not think the encyclopedia would benefit from splitting the article with a list of such animals, unless it becomes excessively long. Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:05, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Sanjay Yadav

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The subject of the article does not appear to meet the notability criteria. The article was created and virtually exclusively edited by Sanjay169, who is the self-proclaimed subject of the article, disregarding Wikipedia:Autobiography. The article was proposed for deletion by Grko3, but the autobiographer objected, adding some links to a couple of blogs (which do not appear to meet the reliable source criteria) as "references." The page has previously been deleted twice (by Explicit and Liz, respectively). The current article history is a bit confusing, because the article was repeatedly overwritten by Sanjayshivalak (a.k.a. 1.39.51.200 a.k.a. Er.sanjay yadav), another vanity editor with the same name who would like the article to be about him instead. LX ( talk, contribs) 12:49, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete As per nominator, the author is the subject of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badnaam ( talkcontribs) 23:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Closing a few hours early, so consider this a "speedyish close". It's obvious that at thing point, there's not a snowball chance in hell that the consensus is going to change. If you think this is an innapropriate closure, contact me on my talk page. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 07:41, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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This article fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 21:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:06, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Constituent country

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Pure original research. Some sovereign states have federal or regionalized structures and sometimes, some people call those component parts "countries." This does not create a separate topic of "constituent countries" not better covered at e.g. Administrative division, Countries of the United Kingdom, etc. The list of "constituent countries" is arbitrary and it is not clear what objective criteria could ever be used to fix it. TiC ( talk) 21:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Support delete. A list of subdivisions named "country" isn't informative, since "country" doesn't have a specific meaning. There are subdivisions recognised as comprising nationalities within states which are not referred to as "countries", such as Catalonia, but nonetheless share the same cultural characteristics that we see in a nation state / independent country. Also, Autonomous administrative division covers most entities listed here. Rob984 ( talk) 00:18, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment: Man, that article has a lot of problems of its own. It's a duplicate of List of autonomous areas by country, but encrufted with all manner of trivial and questionable inclusions, and pointlessly organized "by designation" even though this is a question of translation and in many cases arbitrarily chosen anyway. Something about this topic seems to attract original research and arbitrary, editor-devised classification schemes. TiC ( talk) 20:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Yeah, I agree. I think there is room for an article on autonomous areas, but that article is bad. We also have an article named Constituent state which seems to also cover a made up concept. Rob984 ( talk) 00:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Doesn't meet the notability standards of WP:NMUSIC Rahul Text me 20:52, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Victoria, British Columbia § Recreation. MBisanz talk 01:06, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Bike to Work Week Victoria

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Non-notable local event. Has all the usual reporting and annoucements in local news. The general idea of a Bike-to-Work Day/ Bike Week (Bicycle Week) seems to have wide coverage because it's a widespread and very long-standing annual event, but I don't see wide coverage specifically about this one place's comparably recent form of it to merit a stand-alone article. DMacks ( talk) 20:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:06, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Flo2cash

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The unusual name makes it fairly easy to do Google News search and the results are surprisingly bad. Yes, there are a good number of references. But all these Scoop references go to press release-like announcements. And Gnews search for the company name for yields next to nothing. There also seems to be some misleading edits here, too. The first ref is identified as Live Mint, which is an Indian news site. But it's not. It's a link to http://www.franchise.co.nz/article/2327-flo2cash-br-a-business-doing-business?cat_id=23, authored by Flo2cash. See also related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ankur Dharmani, for the CEO's article, by same editor. Something's fishy here. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • delete as it stands per WP:CORPDEPTH, and I can't find any sources actually about the company. I'm surprised and disconcerted by this, however - they're clearly a company of some standing and the sort of thing one might look up. Can no-one turn up sources on them? - David Gerard ( talk) 21:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Maybe the unsupported claims made in the article are exaggerated? I'm not as sure what their standing is, at this point. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 22:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Hi every one Anup [Talk], Shawn in Montreal ( talk), David Gerard ( talk)

Okay going towards everything yes it's me all behind everything making an article on flo2cash and Ankur Dharmani but as described about Dharmani, before on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ankur Dharmani. I apologize and i'm trying to fix it as i saw a news few days back on Facebook then i Googled and i thought it's a good thing/article to start a page on flo2cash because in New Zealand there was no article on Fintech companies and it's one of best futuristics companies based in New Zealand as concerned towards fin tech (let me tell you i'm not in any relation of the company and person, it's only my reflection and my work).

But later in my absence someone else edited the flo2cash i don't know since i'm bit new on Wikipedia, not a pro so i don't know how to get information about the USER who edited so that i can warn him/her. Yes Live Mint was a mistake as i copy pasted some of my references form my previous article as i forgot to make correction. After making the page on flo2cash i thought it's good to even write an article on his CEO(as described before), yes bit low with the data but yes now i have everything for consideration(it's not for the purpose of advertisement). So pardon me for everything i will fix and would like to request to make a reconsideration for both article for not putting it for deletion, for instance please help in making contribution towards the articles. Afrojack255 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Sir Shawn in Montreal ( talk) please help beside nonexistent Gnews results.So that it not get considered for deletion Yes i agree with the Ankur Dharmani page but the flo2cash article can be considered. User talk:Afrojack255 —Preceding undated comment added 00:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Isn´t there some more reliable coverage in local media? Sources in the article are too weak (eg. Scoop will publish nearly anything New Zealand related). If you want to save this article, you need "reliable sources" - eg. paper (or online) magazines with editorial staff. Pavlor ( talk) 09:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom: the weak sourcing doesn't establish that this firm is notable. Being the oldest Fintech company in New Zealand (if true) isn't a significant achievement, and the claimed turnover isn't particularly high for a financial sector business. Nick-D ( talk) 10:56, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply


Ohkay Sir(to everyone) give me some time if not then no problem deletion should be made for the articles...thank you for your time everyone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrojack255 ( talkcontribs) 18:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Vishal Srivastav

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Participated in X-Factor, other then that can't find any evidence of notability. Doesn't meet the notability standards of WP:NMUSIC Rahul Text me 19:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete Per nom working on Bollywood project or being in same movie with award winner isn't notable.(Working with award winner doesn't apply notability.) It needs to be something like this: List of highest-grossing Indian films Fruitmince ( talk) 13:18, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Vishal Srivastav is not only the participant of X Factor India but also he is versetile singer and now working on some bollywood project and he has done many big events. There is one Krishan Vs Kanhaiya from those with Paresh Rawal. You can see some news links and read properly the these article, you'll see the name and picture of Singer Vishal Srivastav
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Ankur Dharmani

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Can not find anything notable about the person and the company of which he is the CEO Rahul Text me 19:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply


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Hello sir ( Text me) this is User:Afrojack255 im working on Ankur Dharmani project it's only thing i got which saved on his page in present but i have more data it's a good article. I request don't transfer for the deletion as it's not a voilation it will be a great article since he is a CEO of a big evolative fintech, New Zealand based company. —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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  • delete as it stands, nothing about him as an individual. Flo2Cash is a separate matter, though I'm having trouble finding sources for that one even though it feels like the sort of article that should - David Gerard ( talk) 21:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (G). MBisanz talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Notability: an unremarkable SS First Lieutenant, whose article contains virtually no content that would be expected in a balanced biography, resulting in a WP:DIRECTORY listing. Significant RS coverage cannot be found. The article is part of roughly 500 articles created by editor Jim Sweeney (now retired) in the span of a few months in late 2008 - early 2009, and has not been improved since. The subject does not have a de.wiki article.

The topic of the notability of Knight's Cross winners has been extensively discussed here: Notability in Knight's Cross Holder Articles; the summary in this subsection (Part 3). There's currently no consensus that a single award of the Knight's Cross meets SOLDIER1 due to the facts that not all were awarded for valour, and that too many were awarded (over 7,000).

Current AfDs for German WWII Knight's Cross winners can be found at as part of the aforementioned discussion. This article does not meet the low bar of WP:Soldier for WWII Germany, as the award is questionable, however, PROD has been declined on the grounds that this needs AfD. K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Re-direct to appropriate list, IF there is one which covers those awarded the Knight's Cross where it either cannot be confirmed or was an award not officially approved; and if no such list exists (I know it has been discussed), then delete accordingly as not meeting notability criteria. Kierzek ( talk) 20:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:52, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Life (AKA The Boy Who Commits a Murder)

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Fail WP:NFILM. References given are not reliable sources - Own WIX website, a couple of sites you can submit your own film for review and amazon. noq ( talk) 18:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:55, 20 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet the notability standards of WP:NMUSIC Rahul Text me 18:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Apparently quite active promoting himself on a variety of web forums, he is completely non-notable, at this time. Delete. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I published this stub article by accident, experimenting with the publication process and seeing how it compared to the Sandbox. I apologize for the confusion. I am still acquainting myself with the publication process on Wikipedia. I will say, though, having a public like Kaye Ballard give attention to the work is not something that can just be created on a web forum. Her official website is not a web forum. I realize that might be viewed as "circumstantial," seeing that is the case with many other articles marked for deletion. If you choose to delete I'm okay with it. I would like to ask for you guys to check on a couple of other articles I have researched: Giancarlo Scalia, Mark Hayes, and Nick Pittsinger or Varien. Their source information should be checked too, because I feel a lot of their text is based on information drawn from their websites. Again, my apologies. Delete if you wish. There's more thorough work that must be done. Jaxhistorian
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  • Comment Jaxhistorian I suggest moving it to sandbox and give yourself more time to find independent, third party evidence of notability. If they simply don't exist then you are probably wasting energy writing an article that doesn't merit notability. However, thanks for info on Giancarlo Scalia, Mark Hayes, Nick Pittsinger and Varien pages. None of these have the sources to qualify for a wikipedia entry, and they should be nominated for deletion. There are simply too many articles vs. editors to catch everything. Unworthy articles slip through the cracks all the time. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 20:25, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete nothing coming close to passing the notability guidelines for musicians. May some day, but right now it is far too soon. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as the article itself shows nothing to state how and why this can be independently notable as its own article; it's frankly something best kept at his own social media, and I would not be surprised if those were the intentions here. SwisterTwister talk 02:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:TOOSOON and WP:UPANDCOMING. Composers in blues, jazz, and classical music rarely come into their own until their thirties. There is zero evidence that this subject is even out of college or conservatory, much less a notable professional. More likely, this just a talented teenager. Bearian ( talk) 18:44, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G12. ( non-admin closure) Mr. Magoo ( talk) 23:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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no indication of meeting WP:GNG. Only references are to unreliable sources. noq ( talk) 18:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Hum TV. MBisanz talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Momina Duraid Productions

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The page has not references in over 3 years. There is no reason as to why the page is notable. Manoflogan ( talk) 02:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete - The article provides no references, does not pass notability criteria and is generally unsourced. It should be deleted. Manoflogan ( talk) 08:35, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I would even " WP:CSD#A7, article makes no assertion of notability" if it weren't such a long-standing article. At most, it's trying to imply such based on a list of notable (by virtue of bluelink) productions, but notability is not inherited. It's also an affiliate/division of another notable organization, so it could merit a sentence at Hum TV and leave as a redirect rather than simple deletion. DMacks ( talk) 20:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Hum TV This seems to be an arm of Hum TV. In fact after an extensive search of "Moomal Productions" as well as the article title, reliable sources only show that it is part of Hum TV. [5], [6]. To be honest this may well be notable on it's own, but at the moment, I am having trouble finding out independent sources for it. Per WP:NOPAGE I will suggest a redirect at the moment. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 05:09, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 20:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Elena Angione

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The whole article is sourced only to the beauty pageant that Angione won. Some have argued that contestants in Miss Universe are default notable. If this was really the case we would have more than just the source connected with Angione winning the competion in the Seychelles. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:22, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Merging may be considered through normal editing and discussion. postdlf ( talk) 00:58, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The page is, and will no doubt indefinitely remain, a five-hundred word stub that more properly belongs in a section of the main Joan of Arc article. I have never seen a "timeline" page for an individual with such a short life for which so few events can be verified, and this is borne out by the fact that she is the only individual person listed in Template:Timeline of religion. Note that this is not a WP:GNG rationale and I think the page should be redirected and possibly merged with the main Joan of Arc article. Hijiri 88 ( やや) 07:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • If anything merge to form a table of the principal events of her career. The full article is a long one. Even the lead is rather longer than enough to give an overview. We certainly should not keep a separate timeline article. Peterkingiron ( talk) 21:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Peterkingiron: I agree that Joan of Arc is long, but not unbearably so. WP:Article size recommends A page of about 30 kB to 50 kB of readable prose, which roughly corresponds to 4,000 to 10,000 words, takes between 30 and 40 minutes to read at average speed. The page is at 90 kB at the moment, but that appears to be mostly pictures, bibliographical details, "see also" links and so on. I checked and the figure dropped to 45 kB, and according to wordcounttools.com it's a little under 8,000 words. It's not a short article, but adding the Timeline's 500 words on would not be that much of an extra buden on readers. That said, Joan of Arc is an FA as is, and the page currently under discussion is completely unsourced, so I'm not going to openly condone copy-pasting the current page into the larger article without thorough checking. Hijiri 88 ( やや) 13:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- other articles on historical figures do not routinely include "Timeline" sections, so I don't think a merge would be appropriate. This information is already included in the main article. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ K.e.coffman: Obviously I sympathize, but isn't your rationale that other articles on historical figures do not routinely include "Timeline" sections more in line with a "Keep" !vote than a "Delete" one? Do you mean we don't usually write "Timelines" on other historical figures? (Note that I wouldn't actually disagree with either of these statements.) Hijiri 88 ( やや) 13:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Further comment -- What I was suggesting was that the present article might be converted into a table giving the dates of the principal events of her life, which might follow the lead, perhaps opposite the Table of contents if that is feasible. This should not require separate citations, since the dates should already be in the text. If people do not like that, then the article should be a plain delete. I am certainly not advocating keeping the article. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. J04n( talk page) 18:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Emanuele Franz

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:NAUTHOR. While there are several articles discussing him they all seem to be local coverage. He does not seem to have attracted wider attention. According to the article most of his books are published by a publishing house which he established. There is no corresponding it.wiki article. Jbh Talk 13:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment  The page at it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuele_Franz was deleted.  [7] appears to be the deletion discussion.  In a seven-day discussion, there was only one comment, "Despite the voice extender continues to delete alerts, my voice seems too self in order to establish that the person is encyclopedic. (See also Extended Thinking) - .mau. ✉ 22:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Unscintillating ( talk) 18:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment  Not all of the books were from Audax.  I looked at one of the references in the article and it was legit.  It said that Noam Chomsky had given a one-sentence reply to the author.  I also found an AfD for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Extended Thinking, where @ DGG: declared this topic notable.  Also, [8].  Its all slim, but the publisher Audax Editrice might be considered here for inclusion in a suitable topic, as it is good to get publishers listed at Wikipedia.  Unscintillating ( talk) 00:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep but it must be rewritten. Aduex is his personal project, but it publishes books written by others also, and most of its publications are literary, not pseudo scientific mysticism. I agree that we should try to write articles on publishers even if it means a generous interpretation of sourcing, because this is of great hel pto the users of WP in evaluating sources. If we were to have only one article, it should be on hte publisher. DGG ( talk ) 00:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep this author knows his shit. 64.134.243.113 ( talk) 16:09, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete There is not enough coverage demonstrating this person is notable, nor have his works garnered enough wide spread attention or noteworthiness to demonstrate significance, hence this person fails GNG and WP:AUTHOR. The fact that he owns a publishing concern or is self-published appears to be trivial details. Steve Quinn ( talk) 03:51, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

The Operator

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Fails WP:NFILM. Unreleased short by unknowns. noq ( talk) 18:27, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. And a week one ( non-admin closure)UY Scuti Talk 16:53, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Promotional tone, very poorly sourced, social media ELs etc. I can't tell if he's notable from this Jimfbleak ( talk) 16:15, 28 August 2016 (UTC) Jimfbleak ( talk) 16:15, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I'm sympathetic to the problems in RS coverage for bands in the 2010s - the Internet took out the music press when it took out the record industry, which as a former music journalist I think is good for humanity but bad when you're looking for RS coverage for Wikipedia - but this is almost entirely unsourced and won't survive as it stands. I'm holding off from saying "delete" because the Earmilk minor RS looks promising, and is about a US tour which implies there's people who would care and look them up in WP. But is there anything else actually about the band in third-party sources above blog level? - David Gerard ( talk) 13:34, 2 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Really? There's far more coverage of 2010s popular music available online that there is for just about any other topic, especially anything in any field that was popular before 1990. We should make allowances for WP:FUTON bias, but this the field that suffers from it least of all. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 21:17, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: tough one... I think there is very likely an article or two on them in Mixmag, the UK's leading dance music magazine, but as they put very little of their content online, it would mean searching through all the print copies, and I don't have access to them. DJ Plus One is certainly notable and his fame within dance circles before the duo was formed will almost certainly have been enough to get the attention of dance journalists to write about the group. The fact they have mixed a fabric.live album would make my vote lean towards "keep" - Fabric is (at least until this Tuesday's coming hearing) one of the world's leading nightclubs, and they don't choose non-entities to mix their albums. Richard3120 ( talk) 19:03, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The "keep" comments do not seriously attempt to address the notability guidelines' inclusion requirements.  Sandstein  17:28, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Lockdown (Transformers)

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This article fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 23:52, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The article's many sources show that the character has received attention within the Transformers universe. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 22:19, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
None of those sources are currently used in a meaningful way, so they're irrelevant. They cite primary information, so they have no basis in establishing notability. TTN ( talk) 22:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Some cartoon characters are somewhat obscure characters. Others are quite obviously notable. I feel that Lockdown falls under the obviously notable scope. I'm not going to try to justify an article to individuals who seem to have a negligible knowledge of the topic at hand. Also, the lazy nature of the nomination with a seemingly 20-second google check makes me feel that it might not even justify a response. Bad nomination overall that I consider to be time-wasting. Blatant keep. Pwolit iets ( talk) 18:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Since this article was created almost ten years ago over two dozen established editors have edited the article and have not indicated any notability concerns. Choosing to avoid doing at least a little research on the topic makes it sound like you do not respect you fellow wikipedians. That in itself invalidates your opinions somewhat from my point of view. Pwolit iets ( talk) 20:04, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • That has nothing to do with anything. Pretty much none of the Transformers articles follow this site's guidelines. That in particular shows a lack of care from those involved in improving these pages to any reasonable standard. That in ten years nobody has bothered to improve these articles shows that they are basically relics from a different Wikipedia, better suited to Wikia. The most well-intentioned person can create the worst article, but taking their feelings into account is pointless beyond showing them how to actually make an article without being overly critical. Considering that this is not a new article created by such a person, it hardly matters. TTN ( talk) 20:13, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • You have to remember that this article was created before google search purged much of their archives so it was definitely easily (demonstrably) notable for at least 7 years. So current search returns are a bit biased against Lockdown because he's an older character of this franchise. Nonetheless, as an avid transformers fan since the 90,s I can assure you that this article is not only notable but easily so. This nomination was done too hasty. Pwolit iets ( talk) 21:22, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Then by all means provide sources showing it. The biggest problem with these articles is that people seem to conflate not-notable with not-important. The character may well be quite notable within the frame-work of the franchise, but that means nothing in terms of notability on Wikipedia. There are either sources or not, nothing else. If there are no sources, it doesn't mean the topic isn't important. It just means it has no place having an article. TTN ( talk) 21:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I frequently come accross articles that have zero (yes literally zero) sources. Some of them also have very high view counts. That means that many people are aware that the article is poorly sourced. But the reason I avoided sourcing them and other people did likewise is because the frequenters of the article think its common knowledge; i.e. non-controversial info. Therefore there's no realy need to prove it. Its akin to asking someone to sources whether cats exist. No need. Why? Because its common knowledge that they do. Thats why its preferable for nominators to stick with subject areas they are proficient at. Pwolit iets ( talk) 21:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Wikipedia has standards. If those standards aren't properly applied to all articles, it's because there are millions of articles and only so many people to actively edit them. I don't believe there will ever be a time where even 10% of articles even meet the proper criteria due to that. That doesn't really matter though. This fails to meet those standards in its current form and nobody has shown proof that it can meet those standards. I have every right to challenge the article's existence in that case. TTN ( talk) 22:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Josh Milburn's comments. Does not appear to have any independent real-world notability. I am not convinced by any of the arguments to keep the article. Aoba47 ( talk) 03:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and then Redirect if needed, because there are been consensus there's no inherited notability confirmed for its own article simply because of the series itself; there's nothing to suggest we can improve this to the levels of accepting. SwisterTwister talk 02:40, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete- per Josh Milburn and Swister. There is nothing to indicate any kind of real-world notability. If the best the keep side can do is WP:ITEXISTS and obnoxious inaccurate tirades against delete !voters, then it's clearly a hopeless case. Reyk YO! 10:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 16:21, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BASIC. No coverage in reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:FILMMAKER. Magnolia677 ( talk) 04:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - The Filmaker has some good references and even a feature in variety (Magazine) "Variety Article". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjeffersonkk ( talkcontribs) 23 August 2016 (UTC)Tjeffersonkk ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Delete: Utterly NN filmmaker. While his films have garnered some coverage, he has not, failing WP:GNG and every other measure of WP:NOTABILITY known to wiki editors. Toddst1 ( talk) 20:41, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep: - Sadly this article needs more references, the subject isn't (yet) notable for inclusion, but maybe in the future - or unless more references can be sourced. 80.193.74.158 ( talk) 15:23, 25 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete -- the article lacks RS and does not present meaningful biographical information on the subject. The Variety source referenced above is (a very brief) "Review: ‘Sun Kissed’" -- which is about the movie, not the subject. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Noting that none of the cited discussions concerning notability of diplomats was ever formally closed with a clear consensus. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 18:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:DIPLOMAT, simply being a former ambassador for a country does not confer automatic notability. Also just because he is the cousin of a former president does not make him notable - see WP:NOTINHERITED. Dan arndt ( talk) 08:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Ambassadors are definitely not inherently notable, quite a few have been deleted. LibStar ( talk) 09:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Piotrus as per WP:DIPLOMAT any individual (including any diplomat) needs to meet the criteria under WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO and not just be solely reliant on the fact that they were a diplomat (in this case an ambassador). After going through the article there is little there that supports him being considered as notable. Dan arndt ( talk) 09:51, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I read WP:DIPLOMAT and it is an essay, not a policy. In my opinion ambassadors pass WP:POLITICIAN and should be auto-notable by the virtue of their position. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:57, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
again you are arguing inherent notability. in fact there was a discussion to give ambassadors inherent notability which gained no consensus. LibStar ( talk) 11:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC) reply
please show the actual outcome of your search WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar ( talk) 07:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
It's at the top of this Afd but here you go: Google. Includes over 400 news links.-- obi2canibe talk contr 11:06, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
please list actual sources rather than routine coverage. Most of that coverage is not in depth . Please also read WP:GOOGLEHITS LibStar ( talk) 12:03, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
See below for some source examples. North America 1000 05:31, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Being an ambassador to the United States does not make an individual notable. Dan arndt ( talk) 05:48, 9 September 2016 (UTC) reply
agree with Dan. You can't state something is automatically notable without referring to an actual guideline which says that. LibStar ( talk) 13:05, 9 September 2016 (UTC) reply
WP:POLITICIAN does not grant inherent notability to ambassadors. LibStar ( talk) 08:03, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep – The subject meets WP:BASIC per a review of available sources, and has received coverage for being a former ambassador, for his service as Consul General of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka in Los Angeles, and for his role as company President of Ceylon Royal Teas. Source examples include, but are not limited to those listed below. North America 1000 05:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - while we have tended to delete ambassadors from small nations, we have tended to keep those who have held multiple posts or to/from large nations. The subject was ambassador to three major posts, including a stint in as ambassador to the United States, serving in DC, a diplomatic hot spot. Bearian ( talk) 18:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Delete. Serves no good purpose and adds no value. It has been badly maintained and its presentation is poor. In any case, it is superfluous; it can only be viewed as a weak alternative to Category:Years by country which is of far greater use to the readers in terms of accessibility, readability and up-to-dateness. BoJó | talk UTC 15:06, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • I'm also unclear how it's "badly maintained", since each blue link goes to a "List of years in foo" main article. Now, I see that the nominator is part of both the Time and Year Wikiprojects and is likely well-versed in those fields, so maybe there's some issue that I don't understand. I'll keep a watch on this. Shawn in Montreal ( talk)
  • Delete WP:CLT intones that a list article might have some value-added over using an existing category; I see no evidence of that here. The only reasonable rationale is WP:AOAL: "Can be referenced to justify the inclusion of listed articles.". Is that what this is? Chris Troutman ( talk) 19:26, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I'd say, again, it's the first criterion of WP:AOAL, for one: "Good for exploratory browsing of Wikipedia." Some editors might conceivably prefer to browse in list form. Plus, "Can include items that are not linked (e.g., List of compositions by Franz Schubert), or, if appropriate, red links." My !vote remains the same but I'll certainly defer to a consensus on this, best, Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:39, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Shawn in Montreal: I was the GA Reviewer for Film career of Audie Murphy, which is a real value-added list. (The only reason it wasn't selected for FLC was the huge amount of prose.) While readers could use this list to browse, it's unfinished and I don't see any value over the category. Chris Troutman ( talk) 19:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Film career of Audie Murphy has a filmography, but of course it's much more than that. Very nice article. This one here is indeed a bare-bones list. However I'm pretty inclusive, heck, all-inclusive, what it comes to lists per WP:CLT. Pretty much be in favour of every category having some form of master list, as allowed by policy -- or how I read the policy. You would probably think that'd be a pointless duplication. Let's see how this one goes, best, Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:52, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
"...it's simply in addition, for editors..." - exactly, it's not a page for readers. DexDor (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I agree - for example List of years in Lithuania says "This is a list of years in Lithuania. See also the timeline of Lithuanian history. For only articles about years in Lithuania that have been written, see Category:Years in Lithuania." (where the timeline is a redlink) which fails SELFREF in several ways. DexDor (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, trivial list which adds no real value for readers. Kierzek ( talk) 17:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or move to Wikipedia namespace (e.g. as a subpage of a relevant wikiproject) as the list isn't a page for readers (and it's not a list of years; it's a list of countries, but for readers we have better lists e.g. List of sovereign states). DexDor (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all, redundant to category.  Sandstein  06:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (or maybe open an RFC, see my comments below). My first thought was, Huh? I have no clue what this is, so we should delete it. Then, I explored a little, and changed my mind to, Oh, this is how you would find articles about what happened in a particular country in a particular year. That's really useful, but badly named, so we should keep it, but give it a better name. Then, I explored some more and randomly looked at List_of_years_in_Lithuania, and discovered it was almost totally redlinks. But, Category:Years in Lithuania had some bluelinks, and clicking through one of them eventually led me to Podlaskie Voivodeship (1513–1795). So, while I agree that while the list-of-lists idea might be a useful navigation tool, in practice, it's so unlikely to be maintained, that it's worthless. Categories just plain do a better job for this. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Question - It seems like those !voting delete are largely in favor of deleting the whole tree/chain/whatnot. So to be clear, that would mean deleting e.g. 2014 in Ireland, which is just a random recent one I picked and looks to have 173 references. If that should be kept, does that mean the deletion chain would simply be this nominated article and the various "List of years in [country]"? List of years in Ireland, sticking with that example, is, surprisingly, mostly bluelinks (size/quality varies significantly of course). To that end it seems like a pretty natural navigational list to me (presuming there are articles and not just categories, it seems hard to say there's a redundancy issue). And if we have a bunch lists on a theme, a navigational list between those (the present discussion) seems sensible. That's my thinking anyway, but @ RoySmith, Sandstein, DexDor, Kierzek, and K.e.coffman: I'm not sure based on your !votes where in there it loses support. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Just to go ahead and add some additional examples: List of years in Afghanistan is blue for the whole 20th century; List of years in France is blue for every year since 1700, and mostly blue going back to 1500; Germany is complete since 1871; List of years in Sweden has only 5 redlinks in the years since 1520; and List of years in the United States's only redlinks are in the future. Just going from the last one, 2016 in the United States is a 156k article with 157 references. I'm not saying definitively those are necessary lists, because I suspect a bunch may be copied from other lists (births and deaths, for example), but while those exist the "by country" seems logical, and while "by country" exists, the list of lists seems logical. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I think 2014 in Ireland is a terrible article. Lots of things happened in in Ireland in 2014. Who decided which events were important enough to get onto that list? What are the inclusion criteria? -- RoySmith (talk) 14:23, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Fair enough. But that's not nominated here. "fell the whole tree" was mentioned above, but there are no deletion notices on these various pages and nobody has been notified. If those are deleted, then of course this one should be, but while those exist, it shouldn't matter if they're great articles or trash for the purpose of a navigational list. They're extant Wikipedia lists on a theme. Perhaps a speedy renomination along with the rest? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
        • Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting we slip 2014 in Ireland into this AfD. But, I do agree that if there's a constellation of lists (i.e. the year lists we're talking about here) which make up logical structure, it's silly to pick at them one by one. Maybe the best thing to do would be to put this AfD on ice and start a more broad-themed RFC on the whole hierarchy. Then we could come to a coherent decision. Maybe that's keep them all. Maybe that's delete them all. Maybe that's keep some and delete others. But, if we're not going to do the RFC thing, then, taken as an isolated decision, I think deleting this particular list makes sense. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Jerry Brown (basketball)

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBASKETBALL. Basketball notability only assumed for a few leagues and the article claims only minor-leagues in France and Germany. Does not appear to have received ongoing, significant coverage from reliable and independent sources Rikster2 ( talk) 17:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBASKETBALL. Only some leagues indicate notability by this guideline and Lebanon is not one of them. Does not appear to have received significant, on-going do age from independent and reliable sources. Rikster2 ( talk) 17:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Subject doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBASKETBALL. Only a few leagues indicate notability, and none of the leagues listed qualify. No evidence of ongoing significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. Rikster2 ( talk) 17:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep I improved this article. He played professionally in several countries and posted good stats. He was a First Team All-CAA selection. There are a number of articles on him in the Philadelphia Inquierer here. Should be a good amount of articles in Spanish since he won a championship there. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 16:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment Their is a ton of references and sources available about this player that isn't listed in the article...even in Spanish. Recommend adding additional reliable sources to strengthen. Rniterjr ( talk) 15:21, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment Having an ESPN.com stats page does not demonstrate notability. EVERY division 1 college basketball player has one and I can tell you that the majority are not notable. Not sure if Courtside.com is a reliable source or not. Rikster2 ( talk) 00:26, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
CommentHe is NOTABLE. Wikipedia states, "Players are deemed notable if they meet any of the criteria: 1. Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure. see WP:FOOTYN Robert Battle is a player for The Liga Nacional de Básquet (abbreviated LNB, and literally in English "National Basketball League") and has it's own Wikipedia Page It is the top level of the Argentine basketball league system. Additionally, Basketball figures are presumed notable if they have appeared in one game as either a player or head coach in the original American Basketball Association, Asociación de Clubs de Baloncesto, Euroleague, National Basketball Association, National Basketball League (Australia), National Basketball League (United States), Serie A, Women's National Basketball Association, or a "SIMILAR MAJOR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE." see WP:NBASKETBALL Rniterjr ( talk) 11:40, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
He doesn't meet the guideline today as written - he has played in none of the leagues listed. If you are trying to say that one or more of the leagues he has played in is a "similar league," then demonstrate this is so, it isn't a given. Your best bet is to prove he meets GNG (which the basketball guideline is meant to indicate anyway) by finding independent reliable sources that discuss this player beyond transaction and game reports. This is not soccer, so their guideline that every professional player is notable doesn't factor in. Rikster2 ( talk) 11:55, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
He meets the guideline as playing in a "similar league." The official website is http://www.laliganacional.com.ar/laliga/club/quimsa It clearly lists Robert Battle in the lineup. You will also find him here in a more recent article from 9 Sept. 2016. Upon viewing the webpage and just above the title, it lists "LIGA NACIONAL DE BÁSQUET" which is notable in Wikipedia. This demonstrates that Robert Battle plays for Liga Nacional de Basquet and noted on Wikipedia as the "TOP LEVEL of the ARGENTINE BASKETBALL LEAGUE." I'd say that this meets a "similar league" as the NBA. This league is also noted on Wikipedia as having been designed similar to the NBA. Furthermore, The Liga Nacional de Basquet is also mentioned in a separate Wikipedia article Leon Najnudel that this league is the first nationwide yearly professional basketball league in Argentina. Rniterjr ( talk) 14:34, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
If the guideline were meant to cover every top level league it would say so. I was involved with crafting the current guideline so I know what the intent was. Its intent us to help editors with little understanding of basketball understand that some players beyond those in the guideline might be notable so not to AfD out of hand. It isn't meant to be a loophole to cover every league not named. If that were the case we'd have a broader guideline like soccer. If you think this guy is notable, demonstrate this by providing sources that prove it. If you can't do that then it doesn't matter if he meets a sport guideline, because GNG supersedes them. Rikster2 ( talk) 14:55, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
The guideline covers a similar major professional sports league. I'd say that "La Liga Nacional de Basquet" is a "MAJOR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE"...not solely based on being a top level league, but a national and notable top level league. I'd recommend the article be removed from AfD and placed in WP:AFI Their is a ton of references and sources available about this player. Recommend the originator possibly even consult with a language translator for non-English sources. Rniterjr ( talk) 15:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
It covers similar leagues in that said league would receive the same type of media coverage as the four (and only four) current men's leagues included enjoy - the NBA, Australian NBL, Italian Serie A and Spanish ACB. This coverage is what makes it likely that the sources exist to make the assumption that players who play in even one game in those leagues probably meet GNG. If you think the Argentine League gets that level of coverage, you need to provide evidence this is so. I am not going to withdraw this AfD because I still haven't seen sufficient sources in the article or in this discussion that tells me Battle is notable. I did a WP:BEFORE search and it was not compelling. If you think that doing a Spanish-language search will definitely turn up sources that prove this player is notable then I suggest you perform one - I am not the one trying to establish notability for this player. Rikster2 ( talk) 16:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia clearly lists Liga Nacional de Basquet of Argentina under Americas in the "SAME CATEGORY" as the NBA. I have proven my case on multiple occasions to demonstrate that this league is equivalent to that of the NBA. Wikipedia shouts notable for this league. Josh Martin, NBA Lead Writer for bleacher reporter has ranked this league as #6 of 8 as the Best Basketball League in the World. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1291287-power-ranking-the-best-basketball-leagues-in-the-world-outside-of-the-nba Furthermore, Wikipedia also reads that The Argentina national basketball team, officially nicknamed El Alma Argentina[1] (Spanish: The Argentine Soul), represents Argentina in basketball international competitions, and is controlled by the Argentine Basketball Federation. Argentina is the only national team in the FIBA Americas zone that has won the quintuplet crown: FIBA World Championship (they won the first edition, in 1950), Olympic Gold Medal (2004), FIBA Diamond Ball (2008), FIBA Americas Championship (2001 and 2011) and Pan American Gold Medal (1995). They have also won 13 South American Basketball Championships, as well as many youth championships. The Argentine representative was also the first to defeat a United States national team with a full squad of NBA players. They did so by 87–80 in the 2002 FIBA World Championship held in Indianapolis. In that tournament, Argentina came second behind FR Yugoslavia, losing the final in overtime.

Due to the series of good results since the beginning of the 2000s (decade), Argentina reached the first position in the FIBA Men's Ranking at the end of the 2008 Olympic Games. Argentina is a founding member of the International Federation of Basketball (FIBA) and has South America's longest basketball tradition. Again, the league is VERY NOTABLE and backed by Wikipedia. Rniterjr ( talk) 17:05, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

if you are seriously going to try and argue the Argentine League is on the level of the NBA then you are not reasonable. Being on a list of leagues for various countries doesn't put it on par. But why are you ducking proving notability for Robert Battle, is it because you aren't able to find the sources? Even if the league met the guideline (it does not), it doesn't grant blanket notability. I am still challenging the notability of THIS PLAYER. If someone meets a sport-specific guideline but flunks GNG (shouldn't happen of the guideline is written correctly) the article can still be deleted because GNG is the super ending guideline. If you cannot prove the notability of Robert Battle using WP:RELIABLESOURCES, then just say so. Rikster2 ( talk) 17:20, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
that's not what I was exactly meaning...If I asked what's the top basketball league in the U.S., you'd say the NBA...hands down. Anyone else would say the Liga Nacional de Basquet is the top league for the respective location. Their both the best of the best and I simply don't want the Liga Nacional de Basquet to be watered down....my apologies for the confusion. Rniterjr ( talk) 17:49, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I think it does meet GNG using reliable sources. If you examine the additions I made to the article you would see as much. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 17:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

EDDY - I appreciate your good faith efforts and feel like it's close enough that I will withdraw my nomination based on this. What I want to be very clear about is that I do NOT accept the argument that the Argentine League is a "similar league" to those named in WP:NBASKETBALL in that EVERY player who has even appeared for 5 minutes of one game can be presumed notable. Since this is the second AfD I have been involved in recently that has tried to use that statement as a loophole to skirt proving notability, I plan to pursue removing this line from the guideline. This is despite being one of the main proponents for keeping it vs. adding a bunch of other leagues. Thank you for your work on this article. Rikster2 ( talk) 17:29, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Mr. Magoo ( talk) 03:55, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Liu Cuiqing

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Please check if it asserts notability (no citations no categories ) Varun FEB2003 17:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Clearly notable according to WP:NSPORT. Citations added. JDWFC ( talk) 17:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete G4. — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to pass WP:ACADEMIC or WP:BIO. Most of the references given are to the subject's own website, lokapure.com. His webpage [13], indicates a visiting appointment and then an Assistant Professor appointment, followed by two research type industry positions. He lists, some publications and several patents, but his GScholar profile [14] gives a total of only 44 citations with an h-index of 4. There is one solid reference given to a news-story about him, ref number 2 [15]. But there is nothing else in the record that I can see to indicate passing either WP:ACADEMIC or WP:BIO or WP:GNG, and I am not seeing enough here to justify notability on the basis of either of these. Nsk92 ( talk) 17:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete as it was speedily deleted by Rmhermen under the criteria of G12 ( non-admin closure) Ayub407 talk 09:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not notable, of the three sources given, one is the official website, one is to Baidu Baike (basically a Chinese version of Wikipedia), and the other one is to China Daily, which is the only source I can find on the web. I can't find any others. The article is promotional as well, with one section which is basically just an interview with the director. I can't see this article being brought up to an acceptable standard.  Seagull123   Φ  16:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:53, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Promotional article on likely predatory journal. Journal established in 2015, not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Journal claims an impact factor, but 1/ having been established only last year, an IF cannot yet be calculated and 2/ the journal is not indexed by Thomson Reuters. In fact, the IFs claimed (there are actual several...) are from bogus "indexing" outfits that provide a meaningless "impact factor" to whomever pays. I originally tagged this as G11 (spam) and still think that applies, but the tag was removed by a newbie editor without further explanation. In any case, whether promotional or not, or whether predatory or not is not really the issue here. What is the issue is that there is not a shred of notability. The article meets neither WP:GNG nor WP:NJournals. Hence: Delete. Randykitty ( talk) 16:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedily deleted by Bbb23 as created by a blocked editor evading a block. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 15:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable label; article written by one of their owners. Orange Mike | Talk 16:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

There are at least two other outfits by this name, but as they were operating in 2008 and 2013 they are not the same as this one, established 2015. All I can find about this one is its Facebook page ("Wanna know more about #Almost_There_Records Go check our #Wikipedia page") and a website address http://almosttheremusic.com/ which is a deadlink. Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a place like Facebook where you set up a page to tell the world about yourselves when you are just starting out. The label does not get to have an article until it has actually achieved enough to have been the subject of substantial independent comment in reliable, published sources. JohnCD ( talk) 19:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete. WP:G7 NeilN talk to me 15:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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My reason to delete this is that the owner of the company was not happy with the page name and wanted to replace it and recreate a new page with the corrected URL and page name}} Pmpierce ( talk) 14:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure)UY Scuti Talk 16:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable eSports team organization. This article was previously deleted under WP:CSD#A7, but later requested to be undeleted and userfied; and now the userspace page was moved back to the article namespace. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 14:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. No argument for deletion has been presented. Merging should be addressed through normal channels. postdlf ( talk) 01:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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There seems to be no reason for this list to exist separate from Altai Mountains. A discussion and consensus would be useful here. Fiddle Faddle 09:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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There's nothing here that crosses the bar of WP:CRIMINAL. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:19, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Procedural AFD: died at AFD once, then was PRODed again. PROD nomination was: "Non-notable internet personality. References are almost entirely made up of the subject's own Tumblr and Twitter accounts, the record label that he is signed to, and unreliable sources such as "The Skinny" and "We the Unicorn". Any reliable sources (e.g. the BBC) mention only things that this individual has been involved with and don't mention him at all; notability is not inherited." I concur. This looks plausibly good until you look at the content and sources; it's WP:PUFFERY. David Gerard ( talk) 08:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Procedural AFD, PRODed a second time. Dan arndt PRODed it with: "Was previously the subject of a PROD and was deleted. Has subsequently been recreated but still doesn't address the issues for why it was originally deleted - in that it fails to establish notability under WP:NMUSIC." I concur. Google and GNews turn up nothing actually about him. Closest I can find to third-party attention is this SBS podcast, which IMO isn't nearly enough. David Gerard ( talk) 08:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 01:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Bretagne (rescue dog)

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Delete, per WP:SUSTAINED and WP:NOTNEWS. No sustained coverage over a period of time. SST flyer 08:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep Passes GNG, appeared on CNN, Today Show, and has an Obituary on the NY Times BlackAmerican ( talk) 08:58, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Keep Passes GNG. good sourcing. -- BabbaQ ( talk) 17:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • My concern is not with the amount of coverage this topic has received, it's that most of the coverage were obituaries published within a very short timeframe. While this is a newsworthy topic, it's not notable in the Wikipedia sense. SST flyer 13:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Per WP:SUSTAINED, delete. -- Izno ( talk) 17:28, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - passes WP:GNG. I understand that this could be argued to be deleted on the grounds of WP:NOTNEWS (not sure on WP:SUSTAINED as I found a few articles from before her death), but being the last known survivor of the 9/11 attack gives the article a little edge over simply being just another search dog. The fact that she was the last known rescue dog from the attacks, gives the topic some notability that goes beyond WP:NOTNEWS and WP:SUSTAINED. In my understanding, the fact is notable in itself to keep the article. Ya sh ! 10:51, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G5. ( non-admin closure) Mr. Magoo ( talk) 04:01, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Daya Angni Nonga

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Non-notable film. SST flyer 08:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Josh Milburn ( talk) 23:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable fan fiction. SST flyer 08:39, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 10:38, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

In Search of the Ultra-Sex

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Purely promotional piece for an otherwise non-notable film outside of France. Article contributors FilmsChecker ( talk · contribs), CinéPassion ( talk · contribs) and M-synec2 ( talk · contribs) are single-purpose accounts dedicated to this movie and its authors. Suggest blocking or at least warning them. — JFG talk 08:22, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Just a comment that if the film is notable in France, it's notable for the English Wikipedia. Notability doesn't have to be international and France is obviously a major country. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Gnews search under either version of its name reveals more than enough coverage to meet NFILM. Searching for the French title, I found this 2015 review from the Hollywood Reporter, for example. And there is enough French-language coverage in reliable sources. There's certainly tone issues with the article, I agree. But the film is notable enough. User:CinéPassion and the others are indeed a single purpose accounts, in the sense that they're all devoted to articles on Nicolas & Bruno ("a famous duo of French film directors..."; I've removed that peacockery) and their films. I was going to !vote keep on the basis of coverage, but the whole thing is obviously so promotional that I'm sympathetic to the idea that WP:TNT applies. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:46, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Shawn in Montreal: Thanks for your comments. I just checked the French article: it's a puff piece concocted by the same SPAs FilmsChecker and CinéPassion. Moreover, on fr:Talk:Nicolas et Bruno, CinéPassion says "Je travaille pour Nicolas" i.e. "I work for Nicolas", proceeds to plead for an extension of his client's article in anticipation of future projects, then gets warned on WP:COI and WP:NOT. — JFG talk 21:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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I also agree with the nominator that some larger action may be required for these accounts; let's see how things unfold here. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep as topic is notable despite its author inexperience or postings on other Wikipedias. What may or my not happen on Wikipedia France does not dictate what is notable to Wikipedia English, nor tell us how we interpret OUR guides and policies. Extensive coverage in French shows notability to France, and being notable to and in France is fine for Wikipedia. Sorry nominator, we do not demand English-language coverage for all topics, nor do we demand nor expect notable French topics be notable outside that country. See WP:NONENG. We improve what is notable and improvable... not delete. Sheesh. Schmidt, Michael Q. 21:35, 15 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per the reliable sources identified such as the review in the Hollywood Reporter as well as French sources. The article can be edited to remove overpromotional content. Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The sources cited by the one (diligent) advocate of "keep" haven't convinced anybody else.  Sandstein  16:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC) reply

David Merlini

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Extremely promotional. I just cleaned a whole lot of nonsense from it. Written so promotionaly that it needs to be deleted. Maybe he is notable but not this article. If not delete I suggest move to the Draft space where this can be cleaned. See talk page also for previous discussions Varun FEB2003 14:55, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Answer - @ Appable: I know but I saw this in a number of AFD's thats why I also voted but will take care from now. Varun FEB2003 11:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Boyd, David Richard (2010). Dodging the Toxic Bullet: How to Protect Yourself from Everyday Environmental Health Hazards. Vancouver: Greystone Books. p. 16. ISBN  1553656210. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The book notes:

      In 2008, a remarkable world record for unassited breath-holding was set by Germany's Tom Sietas, who held his breath for ten minutes and twelve seconds. In 2009, a world record for assisted breath-holding was set by David Merlini, who held his breath for more than twenty minutes while submerged in a tank full of water at a Formula 1 auto race in Bahrain. He gained an edge by breathing pure oxygen for half an hour before his stunt, thus super-oxygenating his blood. Unlike Sietas and Merlini, most people will past out after being deprived of oxygen for two or three minutes. After a brief period of unconsciousness, the heart will stop pumping. Within minutes, electrical activity in the brain will come to a halt because neurons are deprived of oxygen. This is the modern definition of biological death.

    2. Balázs, Eszter (2004-12-02). "Escaping his dreams". The Budapest Sun. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      Eszter Balázs meets David Merlini, the Hungarian escapologist who made everyone shiver when he was plunged into the Danube... encased in concrete.

      HE IS only 26-years old, but has already seen more danger and been in more perilous situations than most of us encounter in a lifetime. Could there be anything worse that suffocating, being burnt alive or being eaten by piranhas and sharks? For David Merlini, such risks are selfimposed and commonplace. Defeating them is his profession - a typical day in the office. "This is my job, my life," the young escapologist said in answer to a question about what motivates him to encase himself in concrete and ask to be lowered into the Danube. In fact, this very job almost cost him his life. But still there is no better explanation for the whys. Merlini simply dreams up a challenge and then realizes it, moving from one death-defying situation to another.

      ...

      Born to an Italian father and a Hungarian mother, and raised from the age of three in Italy, Merlini was interested in the structure of the locks that he so skillfully dismantled. When he one day was given an illusionist's kit, his future career was founded. Remote-opening locks, electronic constructions and smoke machines were handmade in Merlini's laboratory. Electro-shocks were part of the daily routine, he added.

      Ten years later Merlini enrolled in night classes at the famous illusionist training institution, the Circolo Amici della Magia of Turin. "Lessons took place starting at 9pm as the students all had daytime jobs," Merlini remembers. "One night I was sitting in the library of the CADM reading about the great escapologist Houdini -born in Hungary as Erik Weiss - and I found that I was born exactly 52 years after his death at the age of 52 in 1926."

      ...

      His second fishy adventure involved piranhas:

      aired on the music channel MTV, Merlini was strung up on an iron cross and then lowered, upside down, into an aquarium full of the predatory fish. He was nibbled a bit, but escaped. "I am not afraid during action, it is more before and after," he said. When he was lowered into the Danube this August, the worst moments were those when he was just at the level of the river. "This river floats by at between 6.5 - 7km/h. A cold and mighty flood that just makes you feel very, very small." He spent three and a half minutes at the bottom of the Danube before he was back on the surface again, this time having escaped a concrete cube that he had spent 11 hours in previously while it set. Five million people saw the "production", he proudly informed me.

    3. "Illúzió vagy titkos tudomány?" [Illusion or secret science?]. Hetek (in Hungarian). 2004-09-03. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      A tanévkezdés előtti napra világraszóló produkciót hirdetett meg David Merlini huszonhat éves illuzionista. Budapesten, a Magyar Tudományos Akadémia előtt az önmagát „a világ legfiatalabb szabadulóművészének” tituláló olasz-magyar származású Merlinit egy akváriumba engedték, majd rázúdítottak négy tonna betont. A betonba öntött férfit tíz órával később egy daru segítségével a Lánchídról a Dunába eresztették. Merlini jó két perccel később jelzőfénnyel a kezében felbukkant a víz színén. Az élő televíziós közvetítést kétmillióan nézték végig. David Merlini a múlt század leghíresebb, szintén magyar származású illuzionistája, Harry Houdini reinkarnációjának tartja magát. Egy nemzetközi hírű szakember, Rudy Steffish szerint Merlini „a harmadik évezred legnagyobb szabadítója”.

      From Google Translate:

      The day before the school year starts on the day the world David Merlini announced a twenty-six-year-old illusionist. Budapest, in front of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences in itself Merlinit Italian-Hungarian descent, "the world's youngest szabadulóművészének" tituláló allowed an aquarium and rázúdítottak four tons of concrete. The man poured concrete ten hours later, a crane lowered the Golden Gate Bridge into the Danube. Merlini good two minutes later, the lights turned up his hand upon the water. The two million people watched live television. David Merlini most of the last century, also Hungarian-born illusionist, Harry Houdini reincarnation hold up. An internationally renowned expert Rudy Steffish according to Merlini "in the third millennium largest Savior."

    4. "Chilly water beats record attempt". The Daily Telegraph. Australia. 2007-10-11. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      LOS ANGELES: He had the water tank, the handcuffs and even the hooded wetsuit.

      But Hungarian escape artist David Merlini just didn't have the ability to withstand cold water yesterday when he failed to break the world record for the longest time underwater without air.

      Setting out to beat a time of 8 minutes, 55 seconds, he abandoned his attempt after just 1 minute and 12 seconds due to the chilly water temperature.

      ...

      Merlini's capitulation stunned fans, who recalled his amazing past feats -- one of which included, ironically, being frozen inside a huge block of ice.

      He has also been buried in concrete and has escaped from a rocket's demolition.

      Merlini first mastered the art of escape in Hungary in 1995.

    5. "New Houdini wannabe escapes from burning car". Deseret News. 1998-10-30. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      A 20-year-old escape artist who wants to be the next Harry Houdini has performed his greatest death-defying feat ever, emerging unscathed after being handcuffed inside a burning car.

      David Merlini performed the escape Thursday in Budapest. He said he models himself after Houdini, a native Hungarian who migrated to the United States. Houdini thrilled crowds with his improbable escapes until his death in 1926.

      Merlini was handcuffed to the steering wheel of a white Mercedes. The doors were shut, the car covered with jelly gasoline and set on fire as it was hoisted by a giant crane. It was dropped from 66 feet.

    6. "A stunt to take your breath away". mX. 2007-10-11. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.
    7. Cary, Tom (2009-04-27). "Motor sport: Intense heat fails to derail Button". Irish Independent. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      The afternoon had begun in bizarre fashion when F1 commercial rights holder Bernie Ecclestone, Richard Branson and other VIPs gathered on the home straight to watch a Hungarian escape artist by the name of David Merlini break the world record for holding his breath underwater.

      Submerged in a Perspex tank, Merlini managed 21mins and 29secs before being carried out virtually unconscious, prompting Ecclestone (78) to totter towards him to offer his congratulations. Merlini, no doubt deprived of oxygen, planted a smacker on the diminutive maestro's forehead.

    8. Leporatti, Claudia (2016-06-24). "UNGHERIA: Il mago della fuga David Merlini apre il Museo di Houdini" [HUNGARY: The Wizard of David Merlini escape opens the Houdini Museum]. East Journal (in Hungarian). Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      In un’altra epoca, un altro prodigio: a 4 anni colleziona lucchetti e manette, a 13 già si esibisce con un numero tutto suo. Record mondiale di apnea con 21 minuti e 29 secondi (2009), lui è David Merlini, di professione escapologo. Siamo a Budapest, lato Buda, nel quartiere del castello, dove poche ore fa Merlini ha aperto il museo “The House of Houdini”. Noi di East Journal lo visitiamo accompagnati dal David in persona e non possiamo fare a meno di raccontarvi anche la sua, di storie, quella dell’uomo che si è fatto imprigionare in un blocco di ghiaccio per uscirne dopo 33 ore, davanti a mezza Budapest riunita per lui nel Piazzale degli Eroi.

      Nato a Budapest nel 1978 da padre toscano, David Merlini ha vissuto a lungo in Italia, a Torino, prima di tornare in Ungheria per debuttare con i suoi spettacoli, che oggi lo portano in tutto il mondo. Nel 2007 è stato premiato come “Best Escape Artist” agli World Magic Awards di Los Angeles, gli Oscar della magia. Due anni fa, durante la produzione americana “Houdini”, girata a Budapest, ha insegnato all’attore Adrien Brody (anche lui ungherese, di origine) a trattenere il respiro e ad evadere dalle manette, lavorando come consulente per la miniserie premio Oscar. Nel 2015 è stato protagonista di uno show in memoria di Houdini per la chiusura di Expo 2015, a Milano.

      From Google Translate:

      In another era, another prodigy: 4 years collects padlocks and handcuffs, to 13 already performs with a number of her own. World record of apnea with 21 minutes and 29 seconds (2009), he is David Merlini, the escapologo profession. We are in Budapest, on the Buda side, in the castle district, where a few hours ago Merlini opened the "The House of Houdini" museum . We at East Journal visit it accompanied by David in person and we can not help but tell her also, the stories, the man who became imprisoned in a block of ice to get out after 33 hours, in front of half-Budapest gathered for him in Heroes' Square.

      Born in Budapest in 1978 by Tuscan father, David Merlini has long lived in Italy, in Turin, before returning to Hungary to debut with its shows, which now carry him around the world. In 2007 he was honored as "Best Escape Artist" at the World Magic Awards in Los Angeles, the Oscars of magic. Two years ago, during the American production "Houdini" , filmed in Budapest, he taught actor Adrien Brody (who was also Hungarian, source) to hold your breath and escape from handcuffs, working as a consultant for the Oscar-winning miniseries. In 2015 was the protagonist of a show in memory of Houdini for the closing of Expo 2015 in Milan.

    9. László, Szabó G. (2015-09-20). "Külföldre viszi mutatványait David Merlini" [David Merlini abroad takes mutatványait]. Új Szó (in Hungarian). Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      Tíz éve nem látta a magyar közönség, tíz éve nem is nyilatkozott David Merlini, a világszerte ismert és elismert, édesanyja révén magyar szabadulóművész. Hivatását azóta sem adta fel, a világ különböző pontjain mutatja be lélegzetelállító produkcióit.

      From Google Translate:

      Ten years ago, the Hungarian public has not seen for ten years not commented David Merlini, a well-known and recognized by the Hungarian mother szabadulóművész. He has not given up his profession, shown around the world in a breathtaking performances.

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow David Merlini to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 05:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Sources by Cunard need review Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 07:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete. I appreciate the diligence in seeking out sources, but I do not think they are more than routine notices or reviews about an unusual performer. I'd wait until he's covered by some standard work on the subject. DGG ( talk ) 15:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC) ,. reply
  • @ DGG: Nom suggested draftify might be a good idea. Given that an editor clearly is willing to look for sources on this person, what about moving it to draftspace for now and then seeing whether he's notable after further article improvements and sourcing? Appable ( talk) 17:50, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 07:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Companions of the Hall

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This group of fictional characters do not have the sort of third-party reliable sources required to meet WP:GNG. What references there are are not independent from the creator(s), are superficial or from unreliable sources. Additionally, the article is mostly an in-universe set of biographies, in violation of WP:WAF, and what can be written about the characters out-of-universe seems limited to listing the works in which they appear. Appropriate mention of the characters can be made in the articles about the works or their author, but this content is not needed for that.  Sandstein  07:24, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

To specifically address the nomination statement, WP:WAF is a style guideline, not an inclusion guideline. If a style guideline is not adhered to, then the obvious implication is that the problem in question can be fixed through regular editing. Jclemens ( talk) 09:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. This is not an endorsement of the present state of the article, which is basically an extended plot summary. I recommend folks to trim the article down in accordance with WP:WAF, but that recommendation is not a part of this close. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 02:21, 25 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Wulfgar (Forgotten Realms)

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This fictional character does not have the sort of third-party reliable sources required to meet WP:GNG. What references there are are not independent from the creator(s), are superficial or from unreliable sources. Additionally, the article is mostly an in-universe biography, in violation of WP:WAF, and what can be written about the character out-of-universe seems limited to listing the works in which he appears. Compare also the previous AfD of 9 years ago, in which the article was deleted even under the lax inclusion standards Wikipedia had at the time.  Sandstein  07:18, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Edit: There's a possible merge target, Companions of the Hall, but I advise against merging as that article, also apparently recreated, has similar defects and I'm also nominating it for deletion.  Sandstein  07:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Note that Companions of the Hall was only ever deleted by WP:PROD, never AfD, where it was kept resoundingly in 2007. Jclemens ( talk) 09:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Let's try a different set of find sources... Jclemens ( talk) 08:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This fictional character shows up in multiple RS contexts, including online game reviews [23], [24], board game reviews [25], [26], as well as an in-depth review that covers this character's story arc specifically [27]; interviews with the author [28], [29] as well as interviews with the "World Building Lead" for Wizards, Chris Perkins [30], and is apparently mentioned in one RS book that's not covered in preview [31], as well as an RPG-focused dissertation [32]. This character was apparently voiced by David Duchovny in an audiobook [33], as well. While many of these are single-word mentions, the otherwise-trivial-seeming mention of a character name in a product review indicates that the reviewer expects his or her audience to be familiar with the character. Jclemens ( talk) 09:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
To specifically address the nomination statement, WP:WAF is a style guideline, not an inclusion guideline. If a style guideline is not adhered to, then the obvious implication is that the problem in question can be fixed through regular editing. A nine-year-old AfD discussion is an interesting piece of history, but completely superseded by the more recent RS'ing that I've highlighted above. Jclemens ( talk) 09:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - Wikipedia is not a plot summary, which is basically the point of WP:WAF. As Jclemens rightfully points out, the majority of his sources are singular mentions in the context of plot, so they're useless. The one PDF that goes into an in-depth comparison of Wulfgar and another character's in-game statistics maybe could have a use somewhere. The sources in the article do not actually cite anything relevant, so they're all fluff designed to give the illusion of notability. As in the other AfD, I would expect this character to be able to establish notability, but that alone is no reason to think it should be kept. There needs to be actual proof of that. TTN ( talk) 11:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    I'll note that just like Sandstein, by citing WP:WAF, you are tacitly admitting that, given appropriate stylistic cleanup, there's enough here with which to write an article. Reliable sources aren't "designed to give the illusion of notability", they exist out in the real world and are quoted by editors in AfD discussions when 1) the article didn't already include them, and 2) the nominator didn't find them in a hypothetical WP:BEFORE search. Jclemens ( talk) 06:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • You'll see that the primary thing I quoted was NOTPLOT. WAF is a means of making sure NOT is followed, so it is not just a stylistic guideline. All fictional topics are fundamentally all plot and only by meeting the standards of WAF can they gain the real world info needed in order to meet the policy. When the sources you bring up are trivial mentions, they are definitely meant to act as if the topic is actually notable. This is a common trend in these kind of AfDs where someone drops a load of links as a means of saying that the topic is notable, but they are never actually added to the article because they are utterly useless in the context of the article no matter how good the source. The same goes for many of the sources already in the article. They cite primary details and basic details, but they don't actually have any real content related to the character. TTN ( talk) 18:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • It would be easy to admire your tenacity and consistency, TTN, if you weren't simply so completely wrong about the notability of fictional elements. The reason people like me don't spend more time improving the encyclopedic coverage of fictional elements is that we have to constantly spend time protecting it from people like you who make well-meaning but misguided efforts to intentionally damage the encyclopedia's fictional elements coverage using its own processes. Jclemens ( talk) 07:50, 24 September 2016 (UTC) reply
      • No, notability is how Wikipedia currently defines notability as per its guidelines and policies. There is no guideline, policy, or user consensus that suggests fictional elements are some kind of protected class of article that gets to skip all that. The quality of all sources is to be non-trivial coverage, but the grand majority of the sources you provide in pretty much all these AfDs are just that. Critical commentary is the discussion of the character or plot element in some way. You provide mostly trivial mentions and straight plot regurgitation that have no bearing on notability, while the occasional decent source is buried somewhere in there. This is just one of the unfortunate things of AfDs where one person says it's notable, everyone piles on to that without actually looking at the sources, the article is never improved, and then merged/redirected/deleted years later.
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  • Keep per the comments from Jclemens, and Necrothesp. I believe the sources point support the subject's notability. Aoba47 ( talk) 20:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Wulfgar has been the subject of various reviews and interviews as pointed out by Jclemens. That its been mentioned this many times, in independent third party sources is more than enough to show that Wulfgar is not only notable within Forgotton Realms but is notable unto itself. This appears to be just a case where coverage in reliable sources wasn't lacking, only that the page itself didn't have any reliable sources. Sometimes that can be easily fixed through regular editing. I am not convinced by any arguments to delete this article. — Mythdon 14:00, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • While it obviously won't change the outcome of the Afd, it is extremely disingenuous to say that the character has coverage in sources. Only one of those sources goes into any detail about the character, while all the rest are just brief mentions under the context of the character's status as a main character in Drizzt series. Those minor mentions are mostly interchangeable with any of the five main characters and provide literally no context where they could be added to the article. TTN ( talk) 19:02, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • While singular mentions by themselves aren't great for providing context to the character unto themselves, sources don't always have to, as a whole, cover the subject of the article to establish notability. And there are already in depth sources which do cover the character specifically. Its as much the number of different sources and the extent to which this character is covered, although on varying spectrums, which demonstrates it has been talked about in the real world in third party sources completely independent of the subject. And while the singular mentions are interchangeable with the other main characters which are covered, that still shows Wulfgar has been the subject of independent sources. Fictional subjects are very different when it comes to sourcing, since these are not science, politics, current events or law, etc, you have to work with what you have. It has do with how you use these sources. Even if it just means making a mention in the article about how the character has been subject to reviews and whatnot, that's enough for establishing notability that doesn't involve writing an article that consists entirely of plot summary. — Mythdon 08:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Please show which sources actually cover the character. Other than the one I pointed out up above, there is not one good source that I've seen inside this AfD or inside the current state of the article. The standard for all sources is "non-trivial." Singular name-drops are absolutely trivial. There is no lessening of standards because fictional topics lack sources. It just means they are not notable. TTN ( talk) 18:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Jclemens. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 21:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect instead because, yes, although there are may be sources about this, and that could be enough to accept this, there has still been noticeable consensus at AfD suggesting characters are not automatically confirmed and accepted for an article simply because it's a character; there still needs to be the substance of its own convincing article. SwisterTwister talk 02:37, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    That's a rather curious argument. Of course characters aren't automagically notable--that's why there's an AfD and a lot of people opining keep pretty much demonstrate a consensus to, in fact, keep. You admit there are sources, but then seem to walk back that admission. Merging is obviously within the realm of normal editing options, and AfD doesn't foreclose that, so I'm a bit perplexed as to why you chimed in with it here, given your statement on sourcing. Jclemens ( talk) 06:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per BOZ and Jclemens, above. Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 01:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC) reply

... and here's one more source [34], a where the character is mentioned as a central element from a 2001 bestseller entry for one of the novels. I can't see the fulltext of this, however--does anyone have Highbeam login and able to provide it in context? Jclemens ( talk) 07:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, with no other claims in the article that would lead me to think that they meet any of the other notability criteria such as WP:BASIC. VQuakr ( talk) 06:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Accuracy is not the issue. In order to have a stand-alone article, there needs to be significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. So far, there is no evidence of any such coverage. Cbl62 ( talk) 03:39, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Brought to COIN for COI issues, as the article was written by the subject. After copyedit, no real assertion of notability that isn't inherited. Sources either are not independent, or are local news only and minimal. MSJapan ( talk) 04:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Promotional article with no indication of notability. James500 de-prodded it because Google Books hits supposedly establish notability; he never pointed out any specific books, and all I can find there are passing mentions and business directories. Huon ( talk) 12:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Merge and redirect as there's consensus there's nothing confidently keeping this as its own article, including with the needed improvements, therefore, whatever is needed to merge if at all is available at the history logs; there have been no other comments suggesting otherwise (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 02:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Topic is not independently notable from Advertising in video games, In-game advertising, and gamification—doesn't cover any area that isn't already in the scope of those three articles czar 15:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Hi Czar,

Please note the differnce between the terms 'advertising' and 'marketing'. Advertising stands for promotion and Marketing stands includes everything including 'promotion, selling etc.,'. That is the main point of difference which is not noted in In-game advertising and Advertising in video games. Let me know if you have any issues... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 15:57, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Tsnarendran14, the question is whether the scope is significantly different. Based on the current sourcing, they're not. So either the existing article's scope should be expanded to all forms of marketing or the existing article—even if it just has "advertising" in its title—just subsumes the content within the new article anyway. czar 16:06, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Czar, those articles are mentioning purchase which is wrong! Purchase should never be mentioned in those articles..instead those articles should mention more about promotions. You can go through this book http://as.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470562234.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 16:13, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

That book's contents fit into the scope of existing articles (the three mentioned in the nomination). "Game-based marketing", per the title of this book, is a neologism—our other articles already cover its topics. czar 18:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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But, there is no term called 'game-based marketing' in those articles. Those articles might mislead the readers.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 13:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC) Czar, Could you please give a update on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 12:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC) reply

I am also working on adding additional content, but I need few more days to include those contents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 13:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC) reply

This term is widely used nowadays in marketing and it will helpful for readers if they find it in wiki. In future experts can add in more content to this article, considering this is only a start. It is not neologism by the author. This term should have been included in wikipedia very long time back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 13:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • If you think the term is important, you can redirect it to where it is covered in an existing article. The issue I raised is that this scope overlaps with several other articles without having sources that establish it as a separate topic. Either one of the existing titles should change to "game-based marketing" or this concept should be included within an existing article. czar 20:39, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Then the term in-game advertising should come under game-based marketing, since in-game 'advertising' is a sub topic of game-based marketing... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 09:56, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

I think this is a valid article. This article is not covered anywhere else in wiki. In-game advertising is different from that game-based marketing and we should not redirect it to anywhere else... — Preceding unsigned comment added by SudiptaDhar ( talkcontribs) 10:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Merge and Redirect - In as much as there exists any difference between "marketing" and "advertising" can be discussed in a single article. I suspect In-game advertising will be suitable. Remove the overlap, discuss the differences in the right place. Consolidate. Only split off into a sub article if there is too much information in a section, which I do not believe will be an issue. But regardless, there's no need to delete anything here. Fieari ( talk) 00:45, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Sure, I will do it. I will add some differences and merge these two articles... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 17:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Joshua Alba

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Non-notable actor. Only claim to notability is being the brother of Jessica Alba. Notability is not inherited. Natg 19 ( talk) 04:56, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. AustralianRupert ( talk) 05:07, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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irrelevant local sports ground. Fails WP:GNG. In use by a association football club at the sixth level of the Australian football pyramid. Clear case of COI (see name author) The Banner  talk 19:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 20:04, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Freminot is a non-notable beauty pageant winner. She is notable for one event, and that is not enough to justify having an article on her. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • UNDECIDEDDelete Edit: Fails GNG. So, this is a clear delete if going by significant coverage standard (in that there is no significant coverage). But why wouldn't the spirit of WP:NSPORT apply here as well: Competitors at top competitions are notable. For example, Catalina Escobar is notable because she qualified for the Olympics and that's good enough for NSPORT. Similarly, if someone makes it into the draw at a Grand Slam in Tennis, they are notable (so Chrisophe Bernelle's fluke entry in the 1983 French would make him notable). Why wouldn't such a standard as competing in top level apply to this case also? The low bar in NSPORTS makes me uncertain about whether a low bar should be set here also. Thoughts welcomed. AbstractIllusions ( talk) 22:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. AustralianRupert ( talk) 05:11, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

2016 Hampton Park United Sparrows Season

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Year article for a club at the sixth level of the Australian football pyramid. No need for a separate article. Clear COI (see name main author). The Banner  talk 19:39, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete does not in any way pass WP:NSEASONS, an amateur club in a not-fully-professional league. -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:34, 8 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Contested PROD: "Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No nontrivial biographical content. As described at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmel Moore (2nd nomination), the UKAFTA fails PORNBIO requirements."

I further add that the article should be deleted per WP:PROMO and WP:DIRECTORY; the article does not provide meaningful biographical content and only exists to promote Ms Simon's business. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. (Non-admin closure) " Pepper" @ 15:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Main source is a book by his daughter, Josephine. 1st AfD closed as no consensus as it attracted no responses. Boleyn ( talk) 04:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Ivar Brok

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Article on a subject notable for one event: his untimely death. I located coverage both in English and Estonian, but it was all about the same event. A reach out to Wikiproject Estonia did not produce a response. I thus recommend deleting this article per WP:BIO1E. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:29, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Meatsgains ( talk) 17:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Subject only mentioned in passing in reliable sources Meatsgains ( talk) 03:56, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: Seems to me a clear pass of WP:Prof. A named prof/chair and good citations (GS scores). Noted work on Boeing-Airbus dispute. ( Msrasnw ( talk))
  • Snow keep. Named chair ( WP:PROF#C3), highly cited (#C1), editor of two major journals (#C8), author of a widely used textbook (#C4)... it actually might be quicker to list the criteria he doesn't meet. @ Meatsgains: Please remember to check articles against applicable SNGs as well as the GNG before nominating. Joe Roe ( talk) 11:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 03:29, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

List of programs broadcast by Much

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In keeping with the guideline at WP:NOTTVGUIDE, this whole article has nothing to offer to the reader in terms of notable information about the Nine Network. Instead, the list is routine scheduling, devoid of importance, and almost entirely unreferenced. Binksternet ( talk) 03:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. This article has nothing to do with scheduling, but covers the series broadcast by this network in general, without specifying the dates or times those programs were shown. Such articles are common; see Category:Lists of television series by network. While the existence of such articles doesn't prove that they deserve to be kept, it does suggest that there is some interest in them. (Also, the reason for deletion was copied from a different AfD; this article is about Much, not Nine Network.) -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 03:31, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

List of programs broadcast by Star Channel

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In keeping with the guideline at WP:NOTTVGUIDE, this whole article has nothing to offer to the reader in terms of notable information about the Nine Network. Instead, the list is routine scheduling, devoid of importance, and almost entirely unreferenced. Binksternet ( talk) 03:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. This article has nothing to do with scheduling, but covers the series broadcast by this network in general, without specifying the dates or times those programs were shown. Such articles are common; see Category:Lists of television series by network. While the existence of such articles doesn't prove that they deserve to be kept, it does suggest that there is some interest in them. (Also, the reason for deletion was copied from a different AfD; this article is about Star Channel, not Nine Network.) -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • WP:NOTTVGUIDE precludes us from being this week's TV listings; it does not preclude a basic list of all the shows a television channel has aired, which is something that at least 378 other TV channels have per Category:Lists of television series by network. There may be a case to be made that such lists should actually be deleted from Wikipedia, but this argument isn't it, because NOTTVGUIDE was never meant to preclude this kind of thing and there's no good reason to single this one out as uniquely non-notable when 300+ other equivalent lists are still standing. Keep, unless somebody can come up with a better reason for deletion than this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearcat ( talkcontribs) 2016-09-17T02:03:18 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 03:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

List of programs broadcast by Nine Network

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In keeping with the guideline at WP:NOTTVGUIDE, this whole article has nothing to offer to the reader in terms of notable information about the Nine Network. Instead, the list is routine scheduling, devoid of importance, and almost entirely unreferenced. Binksternet ( talk) 03:13, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 19:12, 20 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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This was deleted as a PROD but was contested and restored. Per this Corbaz has played all his senior games in the Swiss Challenge League which, according to WP:FPL is not a fully professional league. Corbaz's sole appearance in Switzerland's national cup, the Schweizer Pokal, was against FC Winterthur in the 2015–2016 season. FC Winterthur was playing in the Swiss Challenge League that season. Corbaz has not played a game for the senior Switzerland national team. All this shows that Corbaz does not meet WP:NFOOTY. This google search shows there is not enough in-depth, reliable sourcing focusing on Corbaz to mean he meets WP:GNG. – Yellow Dingo  (talk) 02:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Lo Ka Fai

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Does not have enough wins or time racing to seem notable per the sports notability guidelines per WP:ATHLETE Wasabi,the,one ( talk) 02:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG. Hence: Delete. Randykitty ( talk) 12:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Sean Yu

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A sportsperson named Sean Yu comes in news search. This person doesn't meet WP:BASIC right now. Marvellous Spider -Man 01:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

First (band)

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fails to meet criteria for WP:BAND Marvellous Spider -Man 01:27, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Shampoo. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 02:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Conditioning shampoo

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Wikipedia is not hair advice, should been redirected to Shampoo. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I'm been doing 01:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Bigen One Push

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Unremarkable product lacking coverage in reliable sources. The article's only reference is an unreliable Wordpress link. PROD was removed by article creator. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 00:47, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Comment Before someone suggests redirect, affliate of Howa is written with kanji (豊友) and manufacturer of product with katakana (ホーユー) (Possible idea for Japan taskforce to create company article?) Fruitmince ( talk) 23:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
 Comment:: The Howa article is about a machinery company, totally unrelated to this hair care product, so redirecting is not a valid option here. Also, you should refrain from removing deletion discussion tags before the discussion has been concluded. -- DAJF ( talk) 05:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Miss Arkansas USA. ( non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 04:18, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Jennifer Sherrill

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Basically we know that Sherrill was Miss Arkansas USA (not enough to be notable) and that she was in a soroity that has had other members become Miss Arkansas USA, which is extreme trivia. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:34, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 02:30, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Ehsan Ullah Khan

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BLP tagged since 2015 for multiple issues. The source-bombing consists of fleeting mentions on sites or articles that are not about Ehsan Ullah Khan, dead links, and non RS. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Stefan Solea

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines, WP:NACTOR and WP:MUSICBIO. The sources used are Soundcloud, IMDB etc. The one press article is essentially a bare mention with no biographic content, essentially only mentioning a couple movies he was in. Jbh Talk 11:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete, nothing to show real notability; local trivia story in New Orleans area. Kierzek ( talk) 01:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Matthieu Tondeur

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines, WP:NARTIST and WP:MUSICBIO. Sources relate to VJing rather than the subject. I can find no substantive material on the person. Jbh Talk 14:33, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BIO. Most sources I could find contain only trivial mentions. Adam9007 ( talk) 16:30, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Ghazala Salam

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Seems to fail WP:GNG The Banner  talk 16:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Law Asia

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:NORG. References are passing mentions, one blog and quotes from the founder. There does not seem to be any third party commentary about the organization. Jbh Talk 19:29, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Sunday Football (NRL)

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Not notable as an article on its own, lack of references -- Whats new? (talk) 00:40, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Avinash-class submarine

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The article lacks reliable sources verify the claims and only depend on a forum post and has close resembles previously AFD deleted Arihant follow-on submarine after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arihant follow-on submarine Nicky mathew ( talk) 15:00, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. This AfD was never properly opened, and ere was never properly closed, yet the article was deleted nonetheless. Nobody else could ever be admitted here, because this door was made only for you. I am now going to shut it. (non-admin closure) jp× g 21:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC) reply

Artistic Solutions

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Didn't answer my point about it being disjointed. Max Browser ( talk) 20:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Gibberish. You said more or less the same thing when you logged in as Max Browser. International Pumpkin ( talk) 20:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy delete per CSD:A7 - article did not make any claim of notability, or provide evidence of this. Nick-D ( talk) 11:06, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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I could only find primary sources on google; on top of that, I put a CSD tag on the companies article.   I dream of horses ( My talk page) ( My edits) @ 23:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Userfy to User:Bob sleadd retired police/Jazz performers at Black Hawk, 1962. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 15:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Jazz performers at Black Hawk, 1962

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Confusing and WP:OR. Not sure if this is supposed to be about the author, some pictures, or actually something about the title. Can't really fit into any CSD for this article, although it is a possible WP:G2. ☾Loriendrew☽ (ring-ring) 23:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • 'Delete' -Definitely WP:OR. Looks like the article's author might be communicating with Wikipedia in hopes of finding some information he wants, or is wanting to create an article about himself and his photos. WP:G2 seems like a good category, now that the author is in touch with people who can give him some guidance. ABF99 ( talk) 00:36, 12 September 2016 (UTC) changing my ivote to Userfy per Metropolitan90's comments below ABF99 ( talk) 07:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I think G2 would be perfectly acceptable, and even if the CSD criteria don't fit, I am hard-pressed to think of anyone who would want to keep this (I'm guessing a SNOW close here). Primefac ( talk) 01:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Userfy. The writer of this page apparently wants to communicate with people who might have information about the subject, and perhaps his doing so could lead to the addition of information or photos to Wikipedia. This doesn't belong in the mainspace, and he admits that by saying, "I know this is not what is called an 'Article'". But having it on his userpage or a user subpage would probably serve his purposes, would do no harm, and could possibly result in benefit to Wikipedia. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Userfy. It would be a shame to destroy this information because it doesn't fit policy. Put it in user space. Andrew 327 12:04, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Userfy -- an unreferenced personal essay and WP:OR. Wikipedia is not a WP:WEBHOST for personal reminiscences. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as the AfD itself specifies how this, in no form or shape, actually states where it can be acceptable or improved to the levels of an actual article. The fact this was an SPA and the user actually signed it themselves (!!) states how it's quite unlikely they would come and improve it, let alone to the levels of acceptance, if they were not at least knowledgeable of basic uses and activities here at Wikipedia. Therefore, if the article itself contains such a journalesque form, there's nothing to keep, especially if it starts with "I had the special privilege to be allowed....". SwisterTwister talk 02:33, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:05, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't seem to meet the WP:CORPDEPTH standard. All what I see, are PR and WP:ROUTINE coverage. Anup [Talk] 22:41, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. postdlf ( talk) 19:42, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

List of wild animals given human names

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No evidence that such a list is, or could ever be notable. The author in removing the PROD references a blog that superficially discusses the benefits or disbenefits of giving wild animals human names to aid conservation. This suggests that there might be a potential article something like The conservation value of named animals but even this would be at high risk of being WP:OR and this isn't that article. This article has no references other than those for the individual animals. There is no evidence that the concept is notable.   Velella   Velella Talk   22:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Attempting to find sources for this list led me to the same conclusion as the nominator, namely that this list is not notable, but an article on the value of naming wild animals would be notable, since that is heavily discussed in a wide variety of sources. No one suggests simply listing all the wild animals that have been given names... according to the sources I found, this would be akin to simply listing all wild animals in every zoo, ever. Nonsense. Fieari ( talk) 00:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I agree completely with the above arguments. It's arguable that the concept of humanizing wild animals by giving them human names is notable in the first place. Even if it was, this isn't an article on the concept at all. I don't see the value of keeping this page. We should be rid of it. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 04:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I disagree. The value of keeping this page is that it isolates incidences where humans have for various reasons reached across the species divide and declared affinity with animals, by granting them human names. The list should exist as it provides a pool of examples of this curious phenomenon, a phenomenon which tells us a lot about ourselves, and indeed a phenomenon noted in conservationist literature. I note that all animals in zoos are by definition no longer wild, and that listing all named zoo animals (Harambe excluded) would be folly indeed. This here is a different matter. Naming wild animals for their quirks is notable and of interest, I hope you can agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodiddly23 ( talkcontribs) 05:40, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Bodiddly23, I appreciate the sentiment, but we have to follow the sources here, and are not allowed to engage in Original Research. The sources which discuss naming wild animals do lump zoo animals in with the practice. No source I could find discusses exclusively wild, not-in-captivity animals with names, or the activity of naming them. You may be able to find a source that gives a name for a single wild not-in-captivity animal, but collecting all these into a single article would be Original Research without at least one Reliable Source that does the same thing. And this reliable source is what we lack, unless you are aware of one? Fieari ( talk) 05:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Thank you for your thoughts Fieari. I have located this source tackling exclusively the issue of naming wild animals - making a distinction between wild and zoo animals, ie. Cecil the Lion vs Harambe the mountain gorilla in this article: www.theintelligencer.net/news/national-news/2016/07/should-we-name-wild-animals/ I also note this lengthy conservation discussion, though it is not an article per se: http://safaritalk.net/topic/15753-the-naming-of-animals/ Bodiddly23 ( talk) 21:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply


Hello @ Bodiddly23: I think the article you just mentioned from theintelligencer is a valid reliable source. The discussion in safaritalk however is not. If you can find more sources like the one from theintelligencer then you could argue that the subject meets our general notability guidelines by demonstrating in-depth coverage from multiple reliable sources. You could then expand the article to explain the concept and its relevance based on the reliable sources and since the list is short, you include it within the article or keep it as an annex. But all of this only if you can find the needed additional sources to establish notability. If you do I would change my vote to keep (but changing its title). -- Crystallizedcarbon ( talk) 07:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
* Comment If notability is established, a more suitable title, in any case, would be something like "Naming of free wild animals" or "The conservation value of named animals" as suggested by Velella. As Fieari pointed out the current wording of the title includes zoo animals as well. Such a list would make no sense in any case.-- Crystallizedcarbon ( talk) 07:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you @ Crystallizedcarbon:, I am assessing these suggestions. I have renamed the page. I appreciate the guidance. Having found multiple source, I see that the article topic is the phenomenon of naming free wild animals. This article could contain a list of example named free wild animals. I will hone. Bodiddly23 ( talk) 21:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply

*Delete - per WP:IINFO. There are probably tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of animals in captivity with human names. Such a list is unmaintainable. shoy ( reactions) 14:41, 12 September 2016 (UTC) Misread shoy ( reactions) 12:17, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • shoy, the article concerns wild animals, not animals kept in captivity. Compare cecil the lion with Harambe the western lowland gorilla. The naming of a wild animals is a peculiar and controversial phenomemon, as noted by this article: www.theintelligencer.net/news/national-news/2016/07/should-we-name-wild-animals/ Bodiddly23 ( talk) 21:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - this fails WP:SAL. As Shoy notes, it is an unmaintainable list (scope too large). Moreover, even if named wild animals was a notable topic (plausible, but needs sources), it would not follow that a list of those would be notable - most likely, the parent article could discuss a few examples following RS analysis. Tigraan Click here to contact me 15:42, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Tigraan, what is RS analysis? Surely with all the lists in wikipedia, there is room for a list dedicated to the phenomenon noted in this article: www.theintelligencer.net/news/national-news/2016/07/should-we-name-wild-animals/ A day may come in the near future when we look with wonder at the audacity of man to grant names to wild animals - Benson the Carp for example - to assume, even 'ape' affinity (if I may) with wild creatures. Bodiddly23 ( talk) 21:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Bodiddly23: "RS analysis" = what reliable sources have written about the subject. While an article from the Edwardsville Intelligencer may or may not be considered so (it is a minor newspaper, compare with others at The Intelligencer), that particular article reads like personal opinion of the author, so it probably isn't.
In any case, notability is a higher bar than verifiability, and that is why there is "no room" for that subject on Wikipedia. Unlike in paper media, space is not a problem on Wikipedia, but there still is an "editorial board" (the community) that does not wish Wikipedia to become a place to dump anyone's personal thoughts. (Of course, this is a rough summary of hundreds of pages of guidelines...)
Finally, even if named wild animals was a legitimate subject for an article, I do not think the encyclopedia would benefit from splitting the article with a list of such animals, unless it becomes excessively long. Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:05, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The subject of the article does not appear to meet the notability criteria. The article was created and virtually exclusively edited by Sanjay169, who is the self-proclaimed subject of the article, disregarding Wikipedia:Autobiography. The article was proposed for deletion by Grko3, but the autobiographer objected, adding some links to a couple of blogs (which do not appear to meet the reliable source criteria) as "references." The page has previously been deleted twice (by Explicit and Liz, respectively). The current article history is a bit confusing, because the article was repeatedly overwritten by Sanjayshivalak (a.k.a. 1.39.51.200 a.k.a. Er.sanjay yadav), another vanity editor with the same name who would like the article to be about him instead. LX ( talk, contribs) 12:49, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete As per nominator, the author is the subject of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badnaam ( talkcontribs) 23:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Closing a few hours early, so consider this a "speedyish close". It's obvious that at thing point, there's not a snowball chance in hell that the consensus is going to change. If you think this is an innapropriate closure, contact me on my talk page. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 07:41, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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This article fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 21:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:06, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Constituent country

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Pure original research. Some sovereign states have federal or regionalized structures and sometimes, some people call those component parts "countries." This does not create a separate topic of "constituent countries" not better covered at e.g. Administrative division, Countries of the United Kingdom, etc. The list of "constituent countries" is arbitrary and it is not clear what objective criteria could ever be used to fix it. TiC ( talk) 21:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Support delete. A list of subdivisions named "country" isn't informative, since "country" doesn't have a specific meaning. There are subdivisions recognised as comprising nationalities within states which are not referred to as "countries", such as Catalonia, but nonetheless share the same cultural characteristics that we see in a nation state / independent country. Also, Autonomous administrative division covers most entities listed here. Rob984 ( talk) 00:18, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment: Man, that article has a lot of problems of its own. It's a duplicate of List of autonomous areas by country, but encrufted with all manner of trivial and questionable inclusions, and pointlessly organized "by designation" even though this is a question of translation and in many cases arbitrarily chosen anyway. Something about this topic seems to attract original research and arbitrary, editor-devised classification schemes. TiC ( talk) 20:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Yeah, I agree. I think there is room for an article on autonomous areas, but that article is bad. We also have an article named Constituent state which seems to also cover a made up concept. Rob984 ( talk) 00:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Doesn't meet the notability standards of WP:NMUSIC Rahul Text me 20:52, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Victoria, British Columbia § Recreation. MBisanz talk 01:06, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Bike to Work Week Victoria

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Non-notable local event. Has all the usual reporting and annoucements in local news. The general idea of a Bike-to-Work Day/ Bike Week (Bicycle Week) seems to have wide coverage because it's a widespread and very long-standing annual event, but I don't see wide coverage specifically about this one place's comparably recent form of it to merit a stand-alone article. DMacks ( talk) 20:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:06, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Flo2cash

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The unusual name makes it fairly easy to do Google News search and the results are surprisingly bad. Yes, there are a good number of references. But all these Scoop references go to press release-like announcements. And Gnews search for the company name for yields next to nothing. There also seems to be some misleading edits here, too. The first ref is identified as Live Mint, which is an Indian news site. But it's not. It's a link to http://www.franchise.co.nz/article/2327-flo2cash-br-a-business-doing-business?cat_id=23, authored by Flo2cash. See also related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ankur Dharmani, for the CEO's article, by same editor. Something's fishy here. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • delete as it stands per WP:CORPDEPTH, and I can't find any sources actually about the company. I'm surprised and disconcerted by this, however - they're clearly a company of some standing and the sort of thing one might look up. Can no-one turn up sources on them? - David Gerard ( talk) 21:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Maybe the unsupported claims made in the article are exaggerated? I'm not as sure what their standing is, at this point. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 22:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Okay going towards everything yes it's me all behind everything making an article on flo2cash and Ankur Dharmani but as described about Dharmani, before on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ankur Dharmani. I apologize and i'm trying to fix it as i saw a news few days back on Facebook then i Googled and i thought it's a good thing/article to start a page on flo2cash because in New Zealand there was no article on Fintech companies and it's one of best futuristics companies based in New Zealand as concerned towards fin tech (let me tell you i'm not in any relation of the company and person, it's only my reflection and my work).

But later in my absence someone else edited the flo2cash i don't know since i'm bit new on Wikipedia, not a pro so i don't know how to get information about the USER who edited so that i can warn him/her. Yes Live Mint was a mistake as i copy pasted some of my references form my previous article as i forgot to make correction. After making the page on flo2cash i thought it's good to even write an article on his CEO(as described before), yes bit low with the data but yes now i have everything for consideration(it's not for the purpose of advertisement). So pardon me for everything i will fix and would like to request to make a reconsideration for both article for not putting it for deletion, for instance please help in making contribution towards the articles. Afrojack255 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Sir Shawn in Montreal ( talk) please help beside nonexistent Gnews results.So that it not get considered for deletion Yes i agree with the Ankur Dharmani page but the flo2cash article can be considered. User talk:Afrojack255 —Preceding undated comment added 00:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Isn´t there some more reliable coverage in local media? Sources in the article are too weak (eg. Scoop will publish nearly anything New Zealand related). If you want to save this article, you need "reliable sources" - eg. paper (or online) magazines with editorial staff. Pavlor ( talk) 09:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom: the weak sourcing doesn't establish that this firm is notable. Being the oldest Fintech company in New Zealand (if true) isn't a significant achievement, and the claimed turnover isn't particularly high for a financial sector business. Nick-D ( talk) 10:56, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply


Ohkay Sir(to everyone) give me some time if not then no problem deletion should be made for the articles...thank you for your time everyone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrojack255 ( talkcontribs) 18:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Vishal Srivastav

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Participated in X-Factor, other then that can't find any evidence of notability. Doesn't meet the notability standards of WP:NMUSIC Rahul Text me 19:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete Per nom working on Bollywood project or being in same movie with award winner isn't notable.(Working with award winner doesn't apply notability.) It needs to be something like this: List of highest-grossing Indian films Fruitmince ( talk) 13:18, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Vishal Srivastav is not only the participant of X Factor India but also he is versetile singer and now working on some bollywood project and he has done many big events. There is one Krishan Vs Kanhaiya from those with Paresh Rawal. You can see some news links and read properly the these article, you'll see the name and picture of Singer Vishal Srivastav
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Ankur Dharmani

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Can not find anything notable about the person and the company of which he is the CEO Rahul Text me 19:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply


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Hello sir ( Text me) this is User:Afrojack255 im working on Ankur Dharmani project it's only thing i got which saved on his page in present but i have more data it's a good article. I request don't transfer for the deletion as it's not a voilation it will be a great article since he is a CEO of a big evolative fintech, New Zealand based company. —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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  • delete as it stands, nothing about him as an individual. Flo2Cash is a separate matter, though I'm having trouble finding sources for that one even though it feels like the sort of article that should - David Gerard ( talk) 21:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (G). MBisanz talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Notability: an unremarkable SS First Lieutenant, whose article contains virtually no content that would be expected in a balanced biography, resulting in a WP:DIRECTORY listing. Significant RS coverage cannot be found. The article is part of roughly 500 articles created by editor Jim Sweeney (now retired) in the span of a few months in late 2008 - early 2009, and has not been improved since. The subject does not have a de.wiki article.

The topic of the notability of Knight's Cross winners has been extensively discussed here: Notability in Knight's Cross Holder Articles; the summary in this subsection (Part 3). There's currently no consensus that a single award of the Knight's Cross meets SOLDIER1 due to the facts that not all were awarded for valour, and that too many were awarded (over 7,000).

Current AfDs for German WWII Knight's Cross winners can be found at as part of the aforementioned discussion. This article does not meet the low bar of WP:Soldier for WWII Germany, as the award is questionable, however, PROD has been declined on the grounds that this needs AfD. K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Re-direct to appropriate list, IF there is one which covers those awarded the Knight's Cross where it either cannot be confirmed or was an award not officially approved; and if no such list exists (I know it has been discussed), then delete accordingly as not meeting notability criteria. Kierzek ( talk) 20:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:52, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Life (AKA The Boy Who Commits a Murder)

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Fail WP:NFILM. References given are not reliable sources - Own WIX website, a couple of sites you can submit your own film for review and amazon. noq ( talk) 18:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:55, 20 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet the notability standards of WP:NMUSIC Rahul Text me 18:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Apparently quite active promoting himself on a variety of web forums, he is completely non-notable, at this time. Delete. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I published this stub article by accident, experimenting with the publication process and seeing how it compared to the Sandbox. I apologize for the confusion. I am still acquainting myself with the publication process on Wikipedia. I will say, though, having a public like Kaye Ballard give attention to the work is not something that can just be created on a web forum. Her official website is not a web forum. I realize that might be viewed as "circumstantial," seeing that is the case with many other articles marked for deletion. If you choose to delete I'm okay with it. I would like to ask for you guys to check on a couple of other articles I have researched: Giancarlo Scalia, Mark Hayes, and Nick Pittsinger or Varien. Their source information should be checked too, because I feel a lot of their text is based on information drawn from their websites. Again, my apologies. Delete if you wish. There's more thorough work that must be done. Jaxhistorian
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  • Comment Jaxhistorian I suggest moving it to sandbox and give yourself more time to find independent, third party evidence of notability. If they simply don't exist then you are probably wasting energy writing an article that doesn't merit notability. However, thanks for info on Giancarlo Scalia, Mark Hayes, Nick Pittsinger and Varien pages. None of these have the sources to qualify for a wikipedia entry, and they should be nominated for deletion. There are simply too many articles vs. editors to catch everything. Unworthy articles slip through the cracks all the time. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 20:25, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete nothing coming close to passing the notability guidelines for musicians. May some day, but right now it is far too soon. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as the article itself shows nothing to state how and why this can be independently notable as its own article; it's frankly something best kept at his own social media, and I would not be surprised if those were the intentions here. SwisterTwister talk 02:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:TOOSOON and WP:UPANDCOMING. Composers in blues, jazz, and classical music rarely come into their own until their thirties. There is zero evidence that this subject is even out of college or conservatory, much less a notable professional. More likely, this just a talented teenager. Bearian ( talk) 18:44, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G12. ( non-admin closure) Mr. Magoo ( talk) 23:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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no indication of meeting WP:GNG. Only references are to unreliable sources. noq ( talk) 18:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Hum TV. MBisanz talk 01:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The page has not references in over 3 years. There is no reason as to why the page is notable. Manoflogan ( talk) 02:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete - The article provides no references, does not pass notability criteria and is generally unsourced. It should be deleted. Manoflogan ( talk) 08:35, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I would even " WP:CSD#A7, article makes no assertion of notability" if it weren't such a long-standing article. At most, it's trying to imply such based on a list of notable (by virtue of bluelink) productions, but notability is not inherited. It's also an affiliate/division of another notable organization, so it could merit a sentence at Hum TV and leave as a redirect rather than simple deletion. DMacks ( talk) 20:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Hum TV This seems to be an arm of Hum TV. In fact after an extensive search of "Moomal Productions" as well as the article title, reliable sources only show that it is part of Hum TV. [5], [6]. To be honest this may well be notable on it's own, but at the moment, I am having trouble finding out independent sources for it. Per WP:NOPAGE I will suggest a redirect at the moment. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 05:09, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 20:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Elena Angione

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The whole article is sourced only to the beauty pageant that Angione won. Some have argued that contestants in Miss Universe are default notable. If this was really the case we would have more than just the source connected with Angione winning the competion in the Seychelles. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:22, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Merging may be considered through normal editing and discussion. postdlf ( talk) 00:58, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The page is, and will no doubt indefinitely remain, a five-hundred word stub that more properly belongs in a section of the main Joan of Arc article. I have never seen a "timeline" page for an individual with such a short life for which so few events can be verified, and this is borne out by the fact that she is the only individual person listed in Template:Timeline of religion. Note that this is not a WP:GNG rationale and I think the page should be redirected and possibly merged with the main Joan of Arc article. Hijiri 88 ( やや) 07:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • If anything merge to form a table of the principal events of her career. The full article is a long one. Even the lead is rather longer than enough to give an overview. We certainly should not keep a separate timeline article. Peterkingiron ( talk) 21:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Peterkingiron: I agree that Joan of Arc is long, but not unbearably so. WP:Article size recommends A page of about 30 kB to 50 kB of readable prose, which roughly corresponds to 4,000 to 10,000 words, takes between 30 and 40 minutes to read at average speed. The page is at 90 kB at the moment, but that appears to be mostly pictures, bibliographical details, "see also" links and so on. I checked and the figure dropped to 45 kB, and according to wordcounttools.com it's a little under 8,000 words. It's not a short article, but adding the Timeline's 500 words on would not be that much of an extra buden on readers. That said, Joan of Arc is an FA as is, and the page currently under discussion is completely unsourced, so I'm not going to openly condone copy-pasting the current page into the larger article without thorough checking. Hijiri 88 ( やや) 13:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete -- other articles on historical figures do not routinely include "Timeline" sections, so I don't think a merge would be appropriate. This information is already included in the main article. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply
@ K.e.coffman: Obviously I sympathize, but isn't your rationale that other articles on historical figures do not routinely include "Timeline" sections more in line with a "Keep" !vote than a "Delete" one? Do you mean we don't usually write "Timelines" on other historical figures? (Note that I wouldn't actually disagree with either of these statements.) Hijiri 88 ( やや) 13:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Further comment -- What I was suggesting was that the present article might be converted into a table giving the dates of the principal events of her life, which might follow the lead, perhaps opposite the Table of contents if that is feasible. This should not require separate citations, since the dates should already be in the text. If people do not like that, then the article should be a plain delete. I am certainly not advocating keeping the article. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. J04n( talk page) 18:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Emanuele Franz

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:NAUTHOR. While there are several articles discussing him they all seem to be local coverage. He does not seem to have attracted wider attention. According to the article most of his books are published by a publishing house which he established. There is no corresponding it.wiki article. Jbh Talk 13:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment  The page at it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuele_Franz was deleted.  [7] appears to be the deletion discussion.  In a seven-day discussion, there was only one comment, "Despite the voice extender continues to delete alerts, my voice seems too self in order to establish that the person is encyclopedic. (See also Extended Thinking) - .mau. ✉ 22:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Unscintillating ( talk) 18:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment  Not all of the books were from Audax.  I looked at one of the references in the article and it was legit.  It said that Noam Chomsky had given a one-sentence reply to the author.  I also found an AfD for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Extended Thinking, where @ DGG: declared this topic notable.  Also, [8].  Its all slim, but the publisher Audax Editrice might be considered here for inclusion in a suitable topic, as it is good to get publishers listed at Wikipedia.  Unscintillating ( talk) 00:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep but it must be rewritten. Aduex is his personal project, but it publishes books written by others also, and most of its publications are literary, not pseudo scientific mysticism. I agree that we should try to write articles on publishers even if it means a generous interpretation of sourcing, because this is of great hel pto the users of WP in evaluating sources. If we were to have only one article, it should be on hte publisher. DGG ( talk ) 00:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep this author knows his shit. 64.134.243.113 ( talk) 16:09, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete There is not enough coverage demonstrating this person is notable, nor have his works garnered enough wide spread attention or noteworthiness to demonstrate significance, hence this person fails GNG and WP:AUTHOR. The fact that he owns a publishing concern or is self-published appears to be trivial details. Steve Quinn ( talk) 03:51, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

The Operator

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Fails WP:NFILM. Unreleased short by unknowns. noq ( talk) 18:27, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. And a week one ( non-admin closure)UY Scuti Talk 16:53, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Promotional tone, very poorly sourced, social media ELs etc. I can't tell if he's notable from this Jimfbleak ( talk) 16:15, 28 August 2016 (UTC) Jimfbleak ( talk) 16:15, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I'm sympathetic to the problems in RS coverage for bands in the 2010s - the Internet took out the music press when it took out the record industry, which as a former music journalist I think is good for humanity but bad when you're looking for RS coverage for Wikipedia - but this is almost entirely unsourced and won't survive as it stands. I'm holding off from saying "delete" because the Earmilk minor RS looks promising, and is about a US tour which implies there's people who would care and look them up in WP. But is there anything else actually about the band in third-party sources above blog level? - David Gerard ( talk) 13:34, 2 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Really? There's far more coverage of 2010s popular music available online that there is for just about any other topic, especially anything in any field that was popular before 1990. We should make allowances for WP:FUTON bias, but this the field that suffers from it least of all. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 21:17, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: tough one... I think there is very likely an article or two on them in Mixmag, the UK's leading dance music magazine, but as they put very little of their content online, it would mean searching through all the print copies, and I don't have access to them. DJ Plus One is certainly notable and his fame within dance circles before the duo was formed will almost certainly have been enough to get the attention of dance journalists to write about the group. The fact they have mixed a fabric.live album would make my vote lean towards "keep" - Fabric is (at least until this Tuesday's coming hearing) one of the world's leading nightclubs, and they don't choose non-entities to mix their albums. Richard3120 ( talk) 19:03, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The "keep" comments do not seriously attempt to address the notability guidelines' inclusion requirements.  Sandstein  17:28, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Lockdown (Transformers)

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This article fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 23:52, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The article's many sources show that the character has received attention within the Transformers universe. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 22:19, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
None of those sources are currently used in a meaningful way, so they're irrelevant. They cite primary information, so they have no basis in establishing notability. TTN ( talk) 22:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Some cartoon characters are somewhat obscure characters. Others are quite obviously notable. I feel that Lockdown falls under the obviously notable scope. I'm not going to try to justify an article to individuals who seem to have a negligible knowledge of the topic at hand. Also, the lazy nature of the nomination with a seemingly 20-second google check makes me feel that it might not even justify a response. Bad nomination overall that I consider to be time-wasting. Blatant keep. Pwolit iets ( talk) 18:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Since this article was created almost ten years ago over two dozen established editors have edited the article and have not indicated any notability concerns. Choosing to avoid doing at least a little research on the topic makes it sound like you do not respect you fellow wikipedians. That in itself invalidates your opinions somewhat from my point of view. Pwolit iets ( talk) 20:04, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • That has nothing to do with anything. Pretty much none of the Transformers articles follow this site's guidelines. That in particular shows a lack of care from those involved in improving these pages to any reasonable standard. That in ten years nobody has bothered to improve these articles shows that they are basically relics from a different Wikipedia, better suited to Wikia. The most well-intentioned person can create the worst article, but taking their feelings into account is pointless beyond showing them how to actually make an article without being overly critical. Considering that this is not a new article created by such a person, it hardly matters. TTN ( talk) 20:13, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • You have to remember that this article was created before google search purged much of their archives so it was definitely easily (demonstrably) notable for at least 7 years. So current search returns are a bit biased against Lockdown because he's an older character of this franchise. Nonetheless, as an avid transformers fan since the 90,s I can assure you that this article is not only notable but easily so. This nomination was done too hasty. Pwolit iets ( talk) 21:22, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Then by all means provide sources showing it. The biggest problem with these articles is that people seem to conflate not-notable with not-important. The character may well be quite notable within the frame-work of the franchise, but that means nothing in terms of notability on Wikipedia. There are either sources or not, nothing else. If there are no sources, it doesn't mean the topic isn't important. It just means it has no place having an article. TTN ( talk) 21:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I frequently come accross articles that have zero (yes literally zero) sources. Some of them also have very high view counts. That means that many people are aware that the article is poorly sourced. But the reason I avoided sourcing them and other people did likewise is because the frequenters of the article think its common knowledge; i.e. non-controversial info. Therefore there's no realy need to prove it. Its akin to asking someone to sources whether cats exist. No need. Why? Because its common knowledge that they do. Thats why its preferable for nominators to stick with subject areas they are proficient at. Pwolit iets ( talk) 21:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Wikipedia has standards. If those standards aren't properly applied to all articles, it's because there are millions of articles and only so many people to actively edit them. I don't believe there will ever be a time where even 10% of articles even meet the proper criteria due to that. That doesn't really matter though. This fails to meet those standards in its current form and nobody has shown proof that it can meet those standards. I have every right to challenge the article's existence in that case. TTN ( talk) 22:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Josh Milburn's comments. Does not appear to have any independent real-world notability. I am not convinced by any of the arguments to keep the article. Aoba47 ( talk) 03:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and then Redirect if needed, because there are been consensus there's no inherited notability confirmed for its own article simply because of the series itself; there's nothing to suggest we can improve this to the levels of accepting. SwisterTwister talk 02:40, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete- per Josh Milburn and Swister. There is nothing to indicate any kind of real-world notability. If the best the keep side can do is WP:ITEXISTS and obnoxious inaccurate tirades against delete !voters, then it's clearly a hopeless case. Reyk YO! 10:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 16:21, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BASIC. No coverage in reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:FILMMAKER. Magnolia677 ( talk) 04:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - The Filmaker has some good references and even a feature in variety (Magazine) "Variety Article". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjeffersonkk ( talkcontribs) 23 August 2016 (UTC)Tjeffersonkk ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Delete: Utterly NN filmmaker. While his films have garnered some coverage, he has not, failing WP:GNG and every other measure of WP:NOTABILITY known to wiki editors. Toddst1 ( talk) 20:41, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep: - Sadly this article needs more references, the subject isn't (yet) notable for inclusion, but maybe in the future - or unless more references can be sourced. 80.193.74.158 ( talk) 15:23, 25 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete -- the article lacks RS and does not present meaningful biographical information on the subject. The Variety source referenced above is (a very brief) "Review: ‘Sun Kissed’" -- which is about the movie, not the subject. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Noting that none of the cited discussions concerning notability of diplomats was ever formally closed with a clear consensus. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 18:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:DIPLOMAT, simply being a former ambassador for a country does not confer automatic notability. Also just because he is the cousin of a former president does not make him notable - see WP:NOTINHERITED. Dan arndt ( talk) 08:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Ambassadors are definitely not inherently notable, quite a few have been deleted. LibStar ( talk) 09:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Piotrus as per WP:DIPLOMAT any individual (including any diplomat) needs to meet the criteria under WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO and not just be solely reliant on the fact that they were a diplomat (in this case an ambassador). After going through the article there is little there that supports him being considered as notable. Dan arndt ( talk) 09:51, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I read WP:DIPLOMAT and it is an essay, not a policy. In my opinion ambassadors pass WP:POLITICIAN and should be auto-notable by the virtue of their position. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:57, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
again you are arguing inherent notability. in fact there was a discussion to give ambassadors inherent notability which gained no consensus. LibStar ( talk) 11:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC) reply
please show the actual outcome of your search WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar ( talk) 07:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
It's at the top of this Afd but here you go: Google. Includes over 400 news links.-- obi2canibe talk contr 11:06, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
please list actual sources rather than routine coverage. Most of that coverage is not in depth . Please also read WP:GOOGLEHITS LibStar ( talk) 12:03, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
See below for some source examples. North America 1000 05:31, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Being an ambassador to the United States does not make an individual notable. Dan arndt ( talk) 05:48, 9 September 2016 (UTC) reply
agree with Dan. You can't state something is automatically notable without referring to an actual guideline which says that. LibStar ( talk) 13:05, 9 September 2016 (UTC) reply
WP:POLITICIAN does not grant inherent notability to ambassadors. LibStar ( talk) 08:03, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep – The subject meets WP:BASIC per a review of available sources, and has received coverage for being a former ambassador, for his service as Consul General of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka in Los Angeles, and for his role as company President of Ceylon Royal Teas. Source examples include, but are not limited to those listed below. North America 1000 05:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - while we have tended to delete ambassadors from small nations, we have tended to keep those who have held multiple posts or to/from large nations. The subject was ambassador to three major posts, including a stint in as ambassador to the United States, serving in DC, a diplomatic hot spot. Bearian ( talk) 18:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Delete. Serves no good purpose and adds no value. It has been badly maintained and its presentation is poor. In any case, it is superfluous; it can only be viewed as a weak alternative to Category:Years by country which is of far greater use to the readers in terms of accessibility, readability and up-to-dateness. BoJó | talk UTC 15:06, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • I'm also unclear how it's "badly maintained", since each blue link goes to a "List of years in foo" main article. Now, I see that the nominator is part of both the Time and Year Wikiprojects and is likely well-versed in those fields, so maybe there's some issue that I don't understand. I'll keep a watch on this. Shawn in Montreal ( talk)
  • Delete WP:CLT intones that a list article might have some value-added over using an existing category; I see no evidence of that here. The only reasonable rationale is WP:AOAL: "Can be referenced to justify the inclusion of listed articles.". Is that what this is? Chris Troutman ( talk) 19:26, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I'd say, again, it's the first criterion of WP:AOAL, for one: "Good for exploratory browsing of Wikipedia." Some editors might conceivably prefer to browse in list form. Plus, "Can include items that are not linked (e.g., List of compositions by Franz Schubert), or, if appropriate, red links." My !vote remains the same but I'll certainly defer to a consensus on this, best, Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:39, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Shawn in Montreal: I was the GA Reviewer for Film career of Audie Murphy, which is a real value-added list. (The only reason it wasn't selected for FLC was the huge amount of prose.) While readers could use this list to browse, it's unfinished and I don't see any value over the category. Chris Troutman ( talk) 19:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Film career of Audie Murphy has a filmography, but of course it's much more than that. Very nice article. This one here is indeed a bare-bones list. However I'm pretty inclusive, heck, all-inclusive, what it comes to lists per WP:CLT. Pretty much be in favour of every category having some form of master list, as allowed by policy -- or how I read the policy. You would probably think that'd be a pointless duplication. Let's see how this one goes, best, Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:52, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply
"...it's simply in addition, for editors..." - exactly, it's not a page for readers. DexDor (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I agree - for example List of years in Lithuania says "This is a list of years in Lithuania. See also the timeline of Lithuanian history. For only articles about years in Lithuania that have been written, see Category:Years in Lithuania." (where the timeline is a redlink) which fails SELFREF in several ways. DexDor (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, trivial list which adds no real value for readers. Kierzek ( talk) 17:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or move to Wikipedia namespace (e.g. as a subpage of a relevant wikiproject) as the list isn't a page for readers (and it's not a list of years; it's a list of countries, but for readers we have better lists e.g. List of sovereign states). DexDor (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all, redundant to category.  Sandstein  06:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (or maybe open an RFC, see my comments below). My first thought was, Huh? I have no clue what this is, so we should delete it. Then, I explored a little, and changed my mind to, Oh, this is how you would find articles about what happened in a particular country in a particular year. That's really useful, but badly named, so we should keep it, but give it a better name. Then, I explored some more and randomly looked at List_of_years_in_Lithuania, and discovered it was almost totally redlinks. But, Category:Years in Lithuania had some bluelinks, and clicking through one of them eventually led me to Podlaskie Voivodeship (1513–1795). So, while I agree that while the list-of-lists idea might be a useful navigation tool, in practice, it's so unlikely to be maintained, that it's worthless. Categories just plain do a better job for this. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Question - It seems like those !voting delete are largely in favor of deleting the whole tree/chain/whatnot. So to be clear, that would mean deleting e.g. 2014 in Ireland, which is just a random recent one I picked and looks to have 173 references. If that should be kept, does that mean the deletion chain would simply be this nominated article and the various "List of years in [country]"? List of years in Ireland, sticking with that example, is, surprisingly, mostly bluelinks (size/quality varies significantly of course). To that end it seems like a pretty natural navigational list to me (presuming there are articles and not just categories, it seems hard to say there's a redundancy issue). And if we have a bunch lists on a theme, a navigational list between those (the present discussion) seems sensible. That's my thinking anyway, but @ RoySmith, Sandstein, DexDor, Kierzek, and K.e.coffman: I'm not sure based on your !votes where in there it loses support. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Just to go ahead and add some additional examples: List of years in Afghanistan is blue for the whole 20th century; List of years in France is blue for every year since 1700, and mostly blue going back to 1500; Germany is complete since 1871; List of years in Sweden has only 5 redlinks in the years since 1520; and List of years in the United States's only redlinks are in the future. Just going from the last one, 2016 in the United States is a 156k article with 157 references. I'm not saying definitively those are necessary lists, because I suspect a bunch may be copied from other lists (births and deaths, for example), but while those exist the "by country" seems logical, and while "by country" exists, the list of lists seems logical. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I think 2014 in Ireland is a terrible article. Lots of things happened in in Ireland in 2014. Who decided which events were important enough to get onto that list? What are the inclusion criteria? -- RoySmith (talk) 14:23, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Fair enough. But that's not nominated here. "fell the whole tree" was mentioned above, but there are no deletion notices on these various pages and nobody has been notified. If those are deleted, then of course this one should be, but while those exist, it shouldn't matter if they're great articles or trash for the purpose of a navigational list. They're extant Wikipedia lists on a theme. Perhaps a speedy renomination along with the rest? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
        • Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting we slip 2014 in Ireland into this AfD. But, I do agree that if there's a constellation of lists (i.e. the year lists we're talking about here) which make up logical structure, it's silly to pick at them one by one. Maybe the best thing to do would be to put this AfD on ice and start a more broad-themed RFC on the whole hierarchy. Then we could come to a coherent decision. Maybe that's keep them all. Maybe that's delete them all. Maybe that's keep some and delete others. But, if we're not going to do the RFC thing, then, taken as an isolated decision, I think deleting this particular list makes sense. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBASKETBALL. Basketball notability only assumed for a few leagues and the article claims only minor-leagues in France and Germany. Does not appear to have received ongoing, significant coverage from reliable and independent sources Rikster2 ( talk) 17:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBASKETBALL. Only some leagues indicate notability by this guideline and Lebanon is not one of them. Does not appear to have received significant, on-going do age from independent and reliable sources. Rikster2 ( talk) 17:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Subject doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBASKETBALL. Only a few leagues indicate notability, and none of the leagues listed qualify. No evidence of ongoing significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. Rikster2 ( talk) 17:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep I improved this article. He played professionally in several countries and posted good stats. He was a First Team All-CAA selection. There are a number of articles on him in the Philadelphia Inquierer here. Should be a good amount of articles in Spanish since he won a championship there. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 16:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment Their is a ton of references and sources available about this player that isn't listed in the article...even in Spanish. Recommend adding additional reliable sources to strengthen. Rniterjr ( talk) 15:21, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment Having an ESPN.com stats page does not demonstrate notability. EVERY division 1 college basketball player has one and I can tell you that the majority are not notable. Not sure if Courtside.com is a reliable source or not. Rikster2 ( talk) 00:26, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
CommentHe is NOTABLE. Wikipedia states, "Players are deemed notable if they meet any of the criteria: 1. Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure. see WP:FOOTYN Robert Battle is a player for The Liga Nacional de Básquet (abbreviated LNB, and literally in English "National Basketball League") and has it's own Wikipedia Page It is the top level of the Argentine basketball league system. Additionally, Basketball figures are presumed notable if they have appeared in one game as either a player or head coach in the original American Basketball Association, Asociación de Clubs de Baloncesto, Euroleague, National Basketball Association, National Basketball League (Australia), National Basketball League (United States), Serie A, Women's National Basketball Association, or a "SIMILAR MAJOR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE." see WP:NBASKETBALL Rniterjr ( talk) 11:40, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
He doesn't meet the guideline today as written - he has played in none of the leagues listed. If you are trying to say that one or more of the leagues he has played in is a "similar league," then demonstrate this is so, it isn't a given. Your best bet is to prove he meets GNG (which the basketball guideline is meant to indicate anyway) by finding independent reliable sources that discuss this player beyond transaction and game reports. This is not soccer, so their guideline that every professional player is notable doesn't factor in. Rikster2 ( talk) 11:55, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
He meets the guideline as playing in a "similar league." The official website is http://www.laliganacional.com.ar/laliga/club/quimsa It clearly lists Robert Battle in the lineup. You will also find him here in a more recent article from 9 Sept. 2016. Upon viewing the webpage and just above the title, it lists "LIGA NACIONAL DE BÁSQUET" which is notable in Wikipedia. This demonstrates that Robert Battle plays for Liga Nacional de Basquet and noted on Wikipedia as the "TOP LEVEL of the ARGENTINE BASKETBALL LEAGUE." I'd say that this meets a "similar league" as the NBA. This league is also noted on Wikipedia as having been designed similar to the NBA. Furthermore, The Liga Nacional de Basquet is also mentioned in a separate Wikipedia article Leon Najnudel that this league is the first nationwide yearly professional basketball league in Argentina. Rniterjr ( talk) 14:34, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
If the guideline were meant to cover every top level league it would say so. I was involved with crafting the current guideline so I know what the intent was. Its intent us to help editors with little understanding of basketball understand that some players beyond those in the guideline might be notable so not to AfD out of hand. It isn't meant to be a loophole to cover every league not named. If that were the case we'd have a broader guideline like soccer. If you think this guy is notable, demonstrate this by providing sources that prove it. If you can't do that then it doesn't matter if he meets a sport guideline, because GNG supersedes them. Rikster2 ( talk) 14:55, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
The guideline covers a similar major professional sports league. I'd say that "La Liga Nacional de Basquet" is a "MAJOR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE"...not solely based on being a top level league, but a national and notable top level league. I'd recommend the article be removed from AfD and placed in WP:AFI Their is a ton of references and sources available about this player. Recommend the originator possibly even consult with a language translator for non-English sources. Rniterjr ( talk) 15:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
It covers similar leagues in that said league would receive the same type of media coverage as the four (and only four) current men's leagues included enjoy - the NBA, Australian NBL, Italian Serie A and Spanish ACB. This coverage is what makes it likely that the sources exist to make the assumption that players who play in even one game in those leagues probably meet GNG. If you think the Argentine League gets that level of coverage, you need to provide evidence this is so. I am not going to withdraw this AfD because I still haven't seen sufficient sources in the article or in this discussion that tells me Battle is notable. I did a WP:BEFORE search and it was not compelling. If you think that doing a Spanish-language search will definitely turn up sources that prove this player is notable then I suggest you perform one - I am not the one trying to establish notability for this player. Rikster2 ( talk) 16:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia clearly lists Liga Nacional de Basquet of Argentina under Americas in the "SAME CATEGORY" as the NBA. I have proven my case on multiple occasions to demonstrate that this league is equivalent to that of the NBA. Wikipedia shouts notable for this league. Josh Martin, NBA Lead Writer for bleacher reporter has ranked this league as #6 of 8 as the Best Basketball League in the World. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1291287-power-ranking-the-best-basketball-leagues-in-the-world-outside-of-the-nba Furthermore, Wikipedia also reads that The Argentina national basketball team, officially nicknamed El Alma Argentina[1] (Spanish: The Argentine Soul), represents Argentina in basketball international competitions, and is controlled by the Argentine Basketball Federation. Argentina is the only national team in the FIBA Americas zone that has won the quintuplet crown: FIBA World Championship (they won the first edition, in 1950), Olympic Gold Medal (2004), FIBA Diamond Ball (2008), FIBA Americas Championship (2001 and 2011) and Pan American Gold Medal (1995). They have also won 13 South American Basketball Championships, as well as many youth championships. The Argentine representative was also the first to defeat a United States national team with a full squad of NBA players. They did so by 87–80 in the 2002 FIBA World Championship held in Indianapolis. In that tournament, Argentina came second behind FR Yugoslavia, losing the final in overtime.

Due to the series of good results since the beginning of the 2000s (decade), Argentina reached the first position in the FIBA Men's Ranking at the end of the 2008 Olympic Games. Argentina is a founding member of the International Federation of Basketball (FIBA) and has South America's longest basketball tradition. Again, the league is VERY NOTABLE and backed by Wikipedia. Rniterjr ( talk) 17:05, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

if you are seriously going to try and argue the Argentine League is on the level of the NBA then you are not reasonable. Being on a list of leagues for various countries doesn't put it on par. But why are you ducking proving notability for Robert Battle, is it because you aren't able to find the sources? Even if the league met the guideline (it does not), it doesn't grant blanket notability. I am still challenging the notability of THIS PLAYER. If someone meets a sport-specific guideline but flunks GNG (shouldn't happen of the guideline is written correctly) the article can still be deleted because GNG is the super ending guideline. If you cannot prove the notability of Robert Battle using WP:RELIABLESOURCES, then just say so. Rikster2 ( talk) 17:20, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
that's not what I was exactly meaning...If I asked what's the top basketball league in the U.S., you'd say the NBA...hands down. Anyone else would say the Liga Nacional de Basquet is the top league for the respective location. Their both the best of the best and I simply don't want the Liga Nacional de Basquet to be watered down....my apologies for the confusion. Rniterjr ( talk) 17:49, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
I think it does meet GNG using reliable sources. If you examine the additions I made to the article you would see as much. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 17:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

EDDY - I appreciate your good faith efforts and feel like it's close enough that I will withdraw my nomination based on this. What I want to be very clear about is that I do NOT accept the argument that the Argentine League is a "similar league" to those named in WP:NBASKETBALL in that EVERY player who has even appeared for 5 minutes of one game can be presumed notable. Since this is the second AfD I have been involved in recently that has tried to use that statement as a loophole to skirt proving notability, I plan to pursue removing this line from the guideline. This is despite being one of the main proponents for keeping it vs. adding a bunch of other leagues. Thank you for your work on this article. Rikster2 ( talk) 17:29, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Mr. Magoo ( talk) 03:55, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Liu Cuiqing

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Please check if it asserts notability (no citations no categories ) Varun FEB2003 17:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Clearly notable according to WP:NSPORT. Citations added. JDWFC ( talk) 17:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete G4. — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not appear to pass WP:ACADEMIC or WP:BIO. Most of the references given are to the subject's own website, lokapure.com. His webpage [13], indicates a visiting appointment and then an Assistant Professor appointment, followed by two research type industry positions. He lists, some publications and several patents, but his GScholar profile [14] gives a total of only 44 citations with an h-index of 4. There is one solid reference given to a news-story about him, ref number 2 [15]. But there is nothing else in the record that I can see to indicate passing either WP:ACADEMIC or WP:BIO or WP:GNG, and I am not seeing enough here to justify notability on the basis of either of these. Nsk92 ( talk) 17:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete as it was speedily deleted by Rmhermen under the criteria of G12 ( non-admin closure) Ayub407 talk 09:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not notable, of the three sources given, one is the official website, one is to Baidu Baike (basically a Chinese version of Wikipedia), and the other one is to China Daily, which is the only source I can find on the web. I can't find any others. The article is promotional as well, with one section which is basically just an interview with the director. I can't see this article being brought up to an acceptable standard.  Seagull123   Φ  16:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:53, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Promotional article on likely predatory journal. Journal established in 2015, not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Journal claims an impact factor, but 1/ having been established only last year, an IF cannot yet be calculated and 2/ the journal is not indexed by Thomson Reuters. In fact, the IFs claimed (there are actual several...) are from bogus "indexing" outfits that provide a meaningless "impact factor" to whomever pays. I originally tagged this as G11 (spam) and still think that applies, but the tag was removed by a newbie editor without further explanation. In any case, whether promotional or not, or whether predatory or not is not really the issue here. What is the issue is that there is not a shred of notability. The article meets neither WP:GNG nor WP:NJournals. Hence: Delete. Randykitty ( talk) 16:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedily deleted by Bbb23 as created by a blocked editor evading a block. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 15:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable label; article written by one of their owners. Orange Mike | Talk 16:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

There are at least two other outfits by this name, but as they were operating in 2008 and 2013 they are not the same as this one, established 2015. All I can find about this one is its Facebook page ("Wanna know more about #Almost_There_Records Go check our #Wikipedia page") and a website address http://almosttheremusic.com/ which is a deadlink. Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a place like Facebook where you set up a page to tell the world about yourselves when you are just starting out. The label does not get to have an article until it has actually achieved enough to have been the subject of substantial independent comment in reliable, published sources. JohnCD ( talk) 19:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete. WP:G7 NeilN talk to me 15:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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My reason to delete this is that the owner of the company was not happy with the page name and wanted to replace it and recreate a new page with the corrected URL and page name}} Pmpierce ( talk) 14:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure)UY Scuti Talk 16:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable eSports team organization. This article was previously deleted under WP:CSD#A7, but later requested to be undeleted and userfied; and now the userspace page was moved back to the article namespace. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 14:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. No argument for deletion has been presented. Merging should be addressed through normal channels. postdlf ( talk) 01:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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There seems to be no reason for this list to exist separate from Altai Mountains. A discussion and consensus would be useful here. Fiddle Faddle 09:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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There's nothing here that crosses the bar of WP:CRIMINAL. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:19, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Procedural AFD: died at AFD once, then was PRODed again. PROD nomination was: "Non-notable internet personality. References are almost entirely made up of the subject's own Tumblr and Twitter accounts, the record label that he is signed to, and unreliable sources such as "The Skinny" and "We the Unicorn". Any reliable sources (e.g. the BBC) mention only things that this individual has been involved with and don't mention him at all; notability is not inherited." I concur. This looks plausibly good until you look at the content and sources; it's WP:PUFFERY. David Gerard ( talk) 08:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Procedural AFD, PRODed a second time. Dan arndt PRODed it with: "Was previously the subject of a PROD and was deleted. Has subsequently been recreated but still doesn't address the issues for why it was originally deleted - in that it fails to establish notability under WP:NMUSIC." I concur. Google and GNews turn up nothing actually about him. Closest I can find to third-party attention is this SBS podcast, which IMO isn't nearly enough. David Gerard ( talk) 08:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 01:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Bretagne (rescue dog)

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Delete, per WP:SUSTAINED and WP:NOTNEWS. No sustained coverage over a period of time. SST flyer 08:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep Passes GNG, appeared on CNN, Today Show, and has an Obituary on the NY Times BlackAmerican ( talk) 08:58, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Keep Passes GNG. good sourcing. -- BabbaQ ( talk) 17:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • My concern is not with the amount of coverage this topic has received, it's that most of the coverage were obituaries published within a very short timeframe. While this is a newsworthy topic, it's not notable in the Wikipedia sense. SST flyer 13:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Per WP:SUSTAINED, delete. -- Izno ( talk) 17:28, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - passes WP:GNG. I understand that this could be argued to be deleted on the grounds of WP:NOTNEWS (not sure on WP:SUSTAINED as I found a few articles from before her death), but being the last known survivor of the 9/11 attack gives the article a little edge over simply being just another search dog. The fact that she was the last known rescue dog from the attacks, gives the topic some notability that goes beyond WP:NOTNEWS and WP:SUSTAINED. In my understanding, the fact is notable in itself to keep the article. Ya sh ! 10:51, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G5. ( non-admin closure) Mr. Magoo ( talk) 04:01, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Daya Angni Nonga

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Non-notable film. SST flyer 08:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Josh Milburn ( talk) 23:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable fan fiction. SST flyer 08:39, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 10:38, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

In Search of the Ultra-Sex

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Purely promotional piece for an otherwise non-notable film outside of France. Article contributors FilmsChecker ( talk · contribs), CinéPassion ( talk · contribs) and M-synec2 ( talk · contribs) are single-purpose accounts dedicated to this movie and its authors. Suggest blocking or at least warning them. — JFG talk 08:22, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Just a comment that if the film is notable in France, it's notable for the English Wikipedia. Notability doesn't have to be international and France is obviously a major country. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Gnews search under either version of its name reveals more than enough coverage to meet NFILM. Searching for the French title, I found this 2015 review from the Hollywood Reporter, for example. And there is enough French-language coverage in reliable sources. There's certainly tone issues with the article, I agree. But the film is notable enough. User:CinéPassion and the others are indeed a single purpose accounts, in the sense that they're all devoted to articles on Nicolas & Bruno ("a famous duo of French film directors..."; I've removed that peacockery) and their films. I was going to !vote keep on the basis of coverage, but the whole thing is obviously so promotional that I'm sympathetic to the idea that WP:TNT applies. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:46, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
@ Shawn in Montreal: Thanks for your comments. I just checked the French article: it's a puff piece concocted by the same SPAs FilmsChecker and CinéPassion. Moreover, on fr:Talk:Nicolas et Bruno, CinéPassion says "Je travaille pour Nicolas" i.e. "I work for Nicolas", proceeds to plead for an extension of his client's article in anticipation of future projects, then gets warned on WP:COI and WP:NOT. — JFG talk 21:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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I also agree with the nominator that some larger action may be required for these accounts; let's see how things unfold here. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 14:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep as topic is notable despite its author inexperience or postings on other Wikipedias. What may or my not happen on Wikipedia France does not dictate what is notable to Wikipedia English, nor tell us how we interpret OUR guides and policies. Extensive coverage in French shows notability to France, and being notable to and in France is fine for Wikipedia. Sorry nominator, we do not demand English-language coverage for all topics, nor do we demand nor expect notable French topics be notable outside that country. See WP:NONENG. We improve what is notable and improvable... not delete. Sheesh. Schmidt, Michael Q. 21:35, 15 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per the reliable sources identified such as the review in the Hollywood Reporter as well as French sources. The article can be edited to remove overpromotional content. Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The sources cited by the one (diligent) advocate of "keep" haven't convinced anybody else.  Sandstein  16:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC) reply

David Merlini

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Extremely promotional. I just cleaned a whole lot of nonsense from it. Written so promotionaly that it needs to be deleted. Maybe he is notable but not this article. If not delete I suggest move to the Draft space where this can be cleaned. See talk page also for previous discussions Varun FEB2003 14:55, 3 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Answer - @ Appable: I know but I saw this in a number of AFD's thats why I also voted but will take care from now. Varun FEB2003 11:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Boyd, David Richard (2010). Dodging the Toxic Bullet: How to Protect Yourself from Everyday Environmental Health Hazards. Vancouver: Greystone Books. p. 16. ISBN  1553656210. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The book notes:

      In 2008, a remarkable world record for unassited breath-holding was set by Germany's Tom Sietas, who held his breath for ten minutes and twelve seconds. In 2009, a world record for assisted breath-holding was set by David Merlini, who held his breath for more than twenty minutes while submerged in a tank full of water at a Formula 1 auto race in Bahrain. He gained an edge by breathing pure oxygen for half an hour before his stunt, thus super-oxygenating his blood. Unlike Sietas and Merlini, most people will past out after being deprived of oxygen for two or three minutes. After a brief period of unconsciousness, the heart will stop pumping. Within minutes, electrical activity in the brain will come to a halt because neurons are deprived of oxygen. This is the modern definition of biological death.

    2. Balázs, Eszter (2004-12-02). "Escaping his dreams". The Budapest Sun. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      Eszter Balázs meets David Merlini, the Hungarian escapologist who made everyone shiver when he was plunged into the Danube... encased in concrete.

      HE IS only 26-years old, but has already seen more danger and been in more perilous situations than most of us encounter in a lifetime. Could there be anything worse that suffocating, being burnt alive or being eaten by piranhas and sharks? For David Merlini, such risks are selfimposed and commonplace. Defeating them is his profession - a typical day in the office. "This is my job, my life," the young escapologist said in answer to a question about what motivates him to encase himself in concrete and ask to be lowered into the Danube. In fact, this very job almost cost him his life. But still there is no better explanation for the whys. Merlini simply dreams up a challenge and then realizes it, moving from one death-defying situation to another.

      ...

      Born to an Italian father and a Hungarian mother, and raised from the age of three in Italy, Merlini was interested in the structure of the locks that he so skillfully dismantled. When he one day was given an illusionist's kit, his future career was founded. Remote-opening locks, electronic constructions and smoke machines were handmade in Merlini's laboratory. Electro-shocks were part of the daily routine, he added.

      Ten years later Merlini enrolled in night classes at the famous illusionist training institution, the Circolo Amici della Magia of Turin. "Lessons took place starting at 9pm as the students all had daytime jobs," Merlini remembers. "One night I was sitting in the library of the CADM reading about the great escapologist Houdini -born in Hungary as Erik Weiss - and I found that I was born exactly 52 years after his death at the age of 52 in 1926."

      ...

      His second fishy adventure involved piranhas:

      aired on the music channel MTV, Merlini was strung up on an iron cross and then lowered, upside down, into an aquarium full of the predatory fish. He was nibbled a bit, but escaped. "I am not afraid during action, it is more before and after," he said. When he was lowered into the Danube this August, the worst moments were those when he was just at the level of the river. "This river floats by at between 6.5 - 7km/h. A cold and mighty flood that just makes you feel very, very small." He spent three and a half minutes at the bottom of the Danube before he was back on the surface again, this time having escaped a concrete cube that he had spent 11 hours in previously while it set. Five million people saw the "production", he proudly informed me.

    3. "Illúzió vagy titkos tudomány?" [Illusion or secret science?]. Hetek (in Hungarian). 2004-09-03. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      A tanévkezdés előtti napra világraszóló produkciót hirdetett meg David Merlini huszonhat éves illuzionista. Budapesten, a Magyar Tudományos Akadémia előtt az önmagát „a világ legfiatalabb szabadulóművészének” tituláló olasz-magyar származású Merlinit egy akváriumba engedték, majd rázúdítottak négy tonna betont. A betonba öntött férfit tíz órával később egy daru segítségével a Lánchídról a Dunába eresztették. Merlini jó két perccel később jelzőfénnyel a kezében felbukkant a víz színén. Az élő televíziós közvetítést kétmillióan nézték végig. David Merlini a múlt század leghíresebb, szintén magyar származású illuzionistája, Harry Houdini reinkarnációjának tartja magát. Egy nemzetközi hírű szakember, Rudy Steffish szerint Merlini „a harmadik évezred legnagyobb szabadítója”.

      From Google Translate:

      The day before the school year starts on the day the world David Merlini announced a twenty-six-year-old illusionist. Budapest, in front of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences in itself Merlinit Italian-Hungarian descent, "the world's youngest szabadulóművészének" tituláló allowed an aquarium and rázúdítottak four tons of concrete. The man poured concrete ten hours later, a crane lowered the Golden Gate Bridge into the Danube. Merlini good two minutes later, the lights turned up his hand upon the water. The two million people watched live television. David Merlini most of the last century, also Hungarian-born illusionist, Harry Houdini reincarnation hold up. An internationally renowned expert Rudy Steffish according to Merlini "in the third millennium largest Savior."

    4. "Chilly water beats record attempt". The Daily Telegraph. Australia. 2007-10-11. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      LOS ANGELES: He had the water tank, the handcuffs and even the hooded wetsuit.

      But Hungarian escape artist David Merlini just didn't have the ability to withstand cold water yesterday when he failed to break the world record for the longest time underwater without air.

      Setting out to beat a time of 8 minutes, 55 seconds, he abandoned his attempt after just 1 minute and 12 seconds due to the chilly water temperature.

      ...

      Merlini's capitulation stunned fans, who recalled his amazing past feats -- one of which included, ironically, being frozen inside a huge block of ice.

      He has also been buried in concrete and has escaped from a rocket's demolition.

      Merlini first mastered the art of escape in Hungary in 1995.

    5. "New Houdini wannabe escapes from burning car". Deseret News. 1998-10-30. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      A 20-year-old escape artist who wants to be the next Harry Houdini has performed his greatest death-defying feat ever, emerging unscathed after being handcuffed inside a burning car.

      David Merlini performed the escape Thursday in Budapest. He said he models himself after Houdini, a native Hungarian who migrated to the United States. Houdini thrilled crowds with his improbable escapes until his death in 1926.

      Merlini was handcuffed to the steering wheel of a white Mercedes. The doors were shut, the car covered with jelly gasoline and set on fire as it was hoisted by a giant crane. It was dropped from 66 feet.

    6. "A stunt to take your breath away". mX. 2007-10-11. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.
    7. Cary, Tom (2009-04-27). "Motor sport: Intense heat fails to derail Button". Irish Independent. Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      The afternoon had begun in bizarre fashion when F1 commercial rights holder Bernie Ecclestone, Richard Branson and other VIPs gathered on the home straight to watch a Hungarian escape artist by the name of David Merlini break the world record for holding his breath underwater.

      Submerged in a Perspex tank, Merlini managed 21mins and 29secs before being carried out virtually unconscious, prompting Ecclestone (78) to totter towards him to offer his congratulations. Merlini, no doubt deprived of oxygen, planted a smacker on the diminutive maestro's forehead.

    8. Leporatti, Claudia (2016-06-24). "UNGHERIA: Il mago della fuga David Merlini apre il Museo di Houdini" [HUNGARY: The Wizard of David Merlini escape opens the Houdini Museum]. East Journal (in Hungarian). Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      In un’altra epoca, un altro prodigio: a 4 anni colleziona lucchetti e manette, a 13 già si esibisce con un numero tutto suo. Record mondiale di apnea con 21 minuti e 29 secondi (2009), lui è David Merlini, di professione escapologo. Siamo a Budapest, lato Buda, nel quartiere del castello, dove poche ore fa Merlini ha aperto il museo “The House of Houdini”. Noi di East Journal lo visitiamo accompagnati dal David in persona e non possiamo fare a meno di raccontarvi anche la sua, di storie, quella dell’uomo che si è fatto imprigionare in un blocco di ghiaccio per uscirne dopo 33 ore, davanti a mezza Budapest riunita per lui nel Piazzale degli Eroi.

      Nato a Budapest nel 1978 da padre toscano, David Merlini ha vissuto a lungo in Italia, a Torino, prima di tornare in Ungheria per debuttare con i suoi spettacoli, che oggi lo portano in tutto il mondo. Nel 2007 è stato premiato come “Best Escape Artist” agli World Magic Awards di Los Angeles, gli Oscar della magia. Due anni fa, durante la produzione americana “Houdini”, girata a Budapest, ha insegnato all’attore Adrien Brody (anche lui ungherese, di origine) a trattenere il respiro e ad evadere dalle manette, lavorando come consulente per la miniserie premio Oscar. Nel 2015 è stato protagonista di uno show in memoria di Houdini per la chiusura di Expo 2015, a Milano.

      From Google Translate:

      In another era, another prodigy: 4 years collects padlocks and handcuffs, to 13 already performs with a number of her own. World record of apnea with 21 minutes and 29 seconds (2009), he is David Merlini, the escapologo profession. We are in Budapest, on the Buda side, in the castle district, where a few hours ago Merlini opened the "The House of Houdini" museum . We at East Journal visit it accompanied by David in person and we can not help but tell her also, the stories, the man who became imprisoned in a block of ice to get out after 33 hours, in front of half-Budapest gathered for him in Heroes' Square.

      Born in Budapest in 1978 by Tuscan father, David Merlini has long lived in Italy, in Turin, before returning to Hungary to debut with its shows, which now carry him around the world. In 2007 he was honored as "Best Escape Artist" at the World Magic Awards in Los Angeles, the Oscars of magic. Two years ago, during the American production "Houdini" , filmed in Budapest, he taught actor Adrien Brody (who was also Hungarian, source) to hold your breath and escape from handcuffs, working as a consultant for the Oscar-winning miniseries. In 2015 was the protagonist of a show in memory of Houdini for the closing of Expo 2015 in Milan.

    9. László, Szabó G. (2015-09-20). "Külföldre viszi mutatványait David Merlini" [David Merlini abroad takes mutatványait]. Új Szó (in Hungarian). Archived from the original on 2016-09-11. Retrieved 2016-09-11.

      The article notes:

      Tíz éve nem látta a magyar közönség, tíz éve nem is nyilatkozott David Merlini, a világszerte ismert és elismert, édesanyja révén magyar szabadulóművész. Hivatását azóta sem adta fel, a világ különböző pontjain mutatja be lélegzetelállító produkcióit.

      From Google Translate:

      Ten years ago, the Hungarian public has not seen for ten years not commented David Merlini, a well-known and recognized by the Hungarian mother szabadulóművész. He has not given up his profession, shown around the world in a breathtaking performances.

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow David Merlini to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 05:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Sources by Cunard need review Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 07:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete. I appreciate the diligence in seeking out sources, but I do not think they are more than routine notices or reviews about an unusual performer. I'd wait until he's covered by some standard work on the subject. DGG ( talk ) 15:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC) ,. reply
  • @ DGG: Nom suggested draftify might be a good idea. Given that an editor clearly is willing to look for sources on this person, what about moving it to draftspace for now and then seeing whether he's notable after further article improvements and sourcing? Appable ( talk) 17:50, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 07:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Companions of the Hall

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This group of fictional characters do not have the sort of third-party reliable sources required to meet WP:GNG. What references there are are not independent from the creator(s), are superficial or from unreliable sources. Additionally, the article is mostly an in-universe set of biographies, in violation of WP:WAF, and what can be written about the characters out-of-universe seems limited to listing the works in which they appear. Appropriate mention of the characters can be made in the articles about the works or their author, but this content is not needed for that.  Sandstein  07:24, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

To specifically address the nomination statement, WP:WAF is a style guideline, not an inclusion guideline. If a style guideline is not adhered to, then the obvious implication is that the problem in question can be fixed through regular editing. Jclemens ( talk) 09:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. This is not an endorsement of the present state of the article, which is basically an extended plot summary. I recommend folks to trim the article down in accordance with WP:WAF, but that recommendation is not a part of this close. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 02:21, 25 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Wulfgar (Forgotten Realms)

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This fictional character does not have the sort of third-party reliable sources required to meet WP:GNG. What references there are are not independent from the creator(s), are superficial or from unreliable sources. Additionally, the article is mostly an in-universe biography, in violation of WP:WAF, and what can be written about the character out-of-universe seems limited to listing the works in which he appears. Compare also the previous AfD of 9 years ago, in which the article was deleted even under the lax inclusion standards Wikipedia had at the time.  Sandstein  07:18, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Edit: There's a possible merge target, Companions of the Hall, but I advise against merging as that article, also apparently recreated, has similar defects and I'm also nominating it for deletion.  Sandstein  07:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Note that Companions of the Hall was only ever deleted by WP:PROD, never AfD, where it was kept resoundingly in 2007. Jclemens ( talk) 09:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Let's try a different set of find sources... Jclemens ( talk) 08:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This fictional character shows up in multiple RS contexts, including online game reviews [23], [24], board game reviews [25], [26], as well as an in-depth review that covers this character's story arc specifically [27]; interviews with the author [28], [29] as well as interviews with the "World Building Lead" for Wizards, Chris Perkins [30], and is apparently mentioned in one RS book that's not covered in preview [31], as well as an RPG-focused dissertation [32]. This character was apparently voiced by David Duchovny in an audiobook [33], as well. While many of these are single-word mentions, the otherwise-trivial-seeming mention of a character name in a product review indicates that the reviewer expects his or her audience to be familiar with the character. Jclemens ( talk) 09:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
To specifically address the nomination statement, WP:WAF is a style guideline, not an inclusion guideline. If a style guideline is not adhered to, then the obvious implication is that the problem in question can be fixed through regular editing. A nine-year-old AfD discussion is an interesting piece of history, but completely superseded by the more recent RS'ing that I've highlighted above. Jclemens ( talk) 09:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - Wikipedia is not a plot summary, which is basically the point of WP:WAF. As Jclemens rightfully points out, the majority of his sources are singular mentions in the context of plot, so they're useless. The one PDF that goes into an in-depth comparison of Wulfgar and another character's in-game statistics maybe could have a use somewhere. The sources in the article do not actually cite anything relevant, so they're all fluff designed to give the illusion of notability. As in the other AfD, I would expect this character to be able to establish notability, but that alone is no reason to think it should be kept. There needs to be actual proof of that. TTN ( talk) 11:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    I'll note that just like Sandstein, by citing WP:WAF, you are tacitly admitting that, given appropriate stylistic cleanup, there's enough here with which to write an article. Reliable sources aren't "designed to give the illusion of notability", they exist out in the real world and are quoted by editors in AfD discussions when 1) the article didn't already include them, and 2) the nominator didn't find them in a hypothetical WP:BEFORE search. Jclemens ( talk) 06:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • You'll see that the primary thing I quoted was NOTPLOT. WAF is a means of making sure NOT is followed, so it is not just a stylistic guideline. All fictional topics are fundamentally all plot and only by meeting the standards of WAF can they gain the real world info needed in order to meet the policy. When the sources you bring up are trivial mentions, they are definitely meant to act as if the topic is actually notable. This is a common trend in these kind of AfDs where someone drops a load of links as a means of saying that the topic is notable, but they are never actually added to the article because they are utterly useless in the context of the article no matter how good the source. The same goes for many of the sources already in the article. They cite primary details and basic details, but they don't actually have any real content related to the character. TTN ( talk) 18:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • It would be easy to admire your tenacity and consistency, TTN, if you weren't simply so completely wrong about the notability of fictional elements. The reason people like me don't spend more time improving the encyclopedic coverage of fictional elements is that we have to constantly spend time protecting it from people like you who make well-meaning but misguided efforts to intentionally damage the encyclopedia's fictional elements coverage using its own processes. Jclemens ( talk) 07:50, 24 September 2016 (UTC) reply
      • No, notability is how Wikipedia currently defines notability as per its guidelines and policies. There is no guideline, policy, or user consensus that suggests fictional elements are some kind of protected class of article that gets to skip all that. The quality of all sources is to be non-trivial coverage, but the grand majority of the sources you provide in pretty much all these AfDs are just that. Critical commentary is the discussion of the character or plot element in some way. You provide mostly trivial mentions and straight plot regurgitation that have no bearing on notability, while the occasional decent source is buried somewhere in there. This is just one of the unfortunate things of AfDs where one person says it's notable, everyone piles on to that without actually looking at the sources, the article is never improved, and then merged/redirected/deleted years later.
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  • Keep per the comments from Jclemens, and Necrothesp. I believe the sources point support the subject's notability. Aoba47 ( talk) 20:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Wulfgar has been the subject of various reviews and interviews as pointed out by Jclemens. That its been mentioned this many times, in independent third party sources is more than enough to show that Wulfgar is not only notable within Forgotton Realms but is notable unto itself. This appears to be just a case where coverage in reliable sources wasn't lacking, only that the page itself didn't have any reliable sources. Sometimes that can be easily fixed through regular editing. I am not convinced by any arguments to delete this article. — Mythdon 14:00, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • While it obviously won't change the outcome of the Afd, it is extremely disingenuous to say that the character has coverage in sources. Only one of those sources goes into any detail about the character, while all the rest are just brief mentions under the context of the character's status as a main character in Drizzt series. Those minor mentions are mostly interchangeable with any of the five main characters and provide literally no context where they could be added to the article. TTN ( talk) 19:02, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • While singular mentions by themselves aren't great for providing context to the character unto themselves, sources don't always have to, as a whole, cover the subject of the article to establish notability. And there are already in depth sources which do cover the character specifically. Its as much the number of different sources and the extent to which this character is covered, although on varying spectrums, which demonstrates it has been talked about in the real world in third party sources completely independent of the subject. And while the singular mentions are interchangeable with the other main characters which are covered, that still shows Wulfgar has been the subject of independent sources. Fictional subjects are very different when it comes to sourcing, since these are not science, politics, current events or law, etc, you have to work with what you have. It has do with how you use these sources. Even if it just means making a mention in the article about how the character has been subject to reviews and whatnot, that's enough for establishing notability that doesn't involve writing an article that consists entirely of plot summary. — Mythdon 08:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Please show which sources actually cover the character. Other than the one I pointed out up above, there is not one good source that I've seen inside this AfD or inside the current state of the article. The standard for all sources is "non-trivial." Singular name-drops are absolutely trivial. There is no lessening of standards because fictional topics lack sources. It just means they are not notable. TTN ( talk) 18:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Jclemens. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 21:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect instead because, yes, although there are may be sources about this, and that could be enough to accept this, there has still been noticeable consensus at AfD suggesting characters are not automatically confirmed and accepted for an article simply because it's a character; there still needs to be the substance of its own convincing article. SwisterTwister talk 02:37, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    That's a rather curious argument. Of course characters aren't automagically notable--that's why there's an AfD and a lot of people opining keep pretty much demonstrate a consensus to, in fact, keep. You admit there are sources, but then seem to walk back that admission. Merging is obviously within the realm of normal editing options, and AfD doesn't foreclose that, so I'm a bit perplexed as to why you chimed in with it here, given your statement on sourcing. Jclemens ( talk) 06:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per BOZ and Jclemens, above. Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 01:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC) reply

... and here's one more source [34], a where the character is mentioned as a central element from a 2001 bestseller entry for one of the novels. I can't see the fulltext of this, however--does anyone have Highbeam login and able to provide it in context? Jclemens ( talk) 07:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, with no other claims in the article that would lead me to think that they meet any of the other notability criteria such as WP:BASIC. VQuakr ( talk) 06:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Accuracy is not the issue. In order to have a stand-alone article, there needs to be significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. So far, there is no evidence of any such coverage. Cbl62 ( talk) 03:39, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Brought to COIN for COI issues, as the article was written by the subject. After copyedit, no real assertion of notability that isn't inherited. Sources either are not independent, or are local news only and minimal. MSJapan ( talk) 04:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Promotional article with no indication of notability. James500 de-prodded it because Google Books hits supposedly establish notability; he never pointed out any specific books, and all I can find there are passing mentions and business directories. Huon ( talk) 12:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Merge and redirect as there's consensus there's nothing confidently keeping this as its own article, including with the needed improvements, therefore, whatever is needed to merge if at all is available at the history logs; there have been no other comments suggesting otherwise (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 02:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Topic is not independently notable from Advertising in video games, In-game advertising, and gamification—doesn't cover any area that isn't already in the scope of those three articles czar 15:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Hi Czar,

Please note the differnce between the terms 'advertising' and 'marketing'. Advertising stands for promotion and Marketing stands includes everything including 'promotion, selling etc.,'. That is the main point of difference which is not noted in In-game advertising and Advertising in video games. Let me know if you have any issues... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 15:57, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Tsnarendran14, the question is whether the scope is significantly different. Based on the current sourcing, they're not. So either the existing article's scope should be expanded to all forms of marketing or the existing article—even if it just has "advertising" in its title—just subsumes the content within the new article anyway. czar 16:06, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Czar, those articles are mentioning purchase which is wrong! Purchase should never be mentioned in those articles..instead those articles should mention more about promotions. You can go through this book http://as.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470562234.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 16:13, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

That book's contents fit into the scope of existing articles (the three mentioned in the nomination). "Game-based marketing", per the title of this book, is a neologism—our other articles already cover its topics. czar 18:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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But, there is no term called 'game-based marketing' in those articles. Those articles might mislead the readers.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 13:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC) Czar, Could you please give a update on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 12:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC) reply

I am also working on adding additional content, but I need few more days to include those contents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 13:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC) reply

This term is widely used nowadays in marketing and it will helpful for readers if they find it in wiki. In future experts can add in more content to this article, considering this is only a start. It is not neologism by the author. This term should have been included in wikipedia very long time back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 13:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • If you think the term is important, you can redirect it to where it is covered in an existing article. The issue I raised is that this scope overlaps with several other articles without having sources that establish it as a separate topic. Either one of the existing titles should change to "game-based marketing" or this concept should be included within an existing article. czar 20:39, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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Then the term in-game advertising should come under game-based marketing, since in-game 'advertising' is a sub topic of game-based marketing... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 09:56, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

I think this is a valid article. This article is not covered anywhere else in wiki. In-game advertising is different from that game-based marketing and we should not redirect it to anywhere else... — Preceding unsigned comment added by SudiptaDhar ( talkcontribs) 10:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Merge and Redirect - In as much as there exists any difference between "marketing" and "advertising" can be discussed in a single article. I suspect In-game advertising will be suitable. Remove the overlap, discuss the differences in the right place. Consolidate. Only split off into a sub article if there is too much information in a section, which I do not believe will be an issue. But regardless, there's no need to delete anything here. Fieari ( talk) 00:45, 12 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Sure, I will do it. I will add some differences and merge these two articles... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsnarendran14 ( talkcontribs) 17:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Joshua Alba

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Non-notable actor. Only claim to notability is being the brother of Jessica Alba. Notability is not inherited. Natg 19 ( talk) 04:56, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. AustralianRupert ( talk) 05:07, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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irrelevant local sports ground. Fails WP:GNG. In use by a association football club at the sixth level of the Australian football pyramid. Clear case of COI (see name author) The Banner  talk 19:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 20:04, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Freminot is a non-notable beauty pageant winner. She is notable for one event, and that is not enough to justify having an article on her. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • UNDECIDEDDelete Edit: Fails GNG. So, this is a clear delete if going by significant coverage standard (in that there is no significant coverage). But why wouldn't the spirit of WP:NSPORT apply here as well: Competitors at top competitions are notable. For example, Catalina Escobar is notable because she qualified for the Olympics and that's good enough for NSPORT. Similarly, if someone makes it into the draw at a Grand Slam in Tennis, they are notable (so Chrisophe Bernelle's fluke entry in the 1983 French would make him notable). Why wouldn't such a standard as competing in top level apply to this case also? The low bar in NSPORTS makes me uncertain about whether a low bar should be set here also. Thoughts welcomed. AbstractIllusions ( talk) 22:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. AustralianRupert ( talk) 05:11, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Year article for a club at the sixth level of the Australian football pyramid. No need for a separate article. Clear COI (see name main author). The Banner  talk 19:39, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete does not in any way pass WP:NSEASONS, an amateur club in a not-fully-professional league. -- SuperJew ( talk) 19:34, 8 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Contested PROD: "Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No nontrivial biographical content. As described at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmel Moore (2nd nomination), the UKAFTA fails PORNBIO requirements."

I further add that the article should be deleted per WP:PROMO and WP:DIRECTORY; the article does not provide meaningful biographical content and only exists to promote Ms Simon's business. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. (Non-admin closure) " Pepper" @ 15:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Alan Miller

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Doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Main source is a book by his daughter, Josephine. 1st AfD closed as no consensus as it attracted no responses. Boleyn ( talk) 04:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Ivar Brok

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Article on a subject notable for one event: his untimely death. I located coverage both in English and Estonian, but it was all about the same event. A reach out to Wikiproject Estonia did not produce a response. I thus recommend deleting this article per WP:BIO1E. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:29, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Meatsgains ( talk) 17:06, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Subject only mentioned in passing in reliable sources Meatsgains ( talk) 03:56, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: Seems to me a clear pass of WP:Prof. A named prof/chair and good citations (GS scores). Noted work on Boeing-Airbus dispute. ( Msrasnw ( talk))
  • Snow keep. Named chair ( WP:PROF#C3), highly cited (#C1), editor of two major journals (#C8), author of a widely used textbook (#C4)... it actually might be quicker to list the criteria he doesn't meet. @ Meatsgains: Please remember to check articles against applicable SNGs as well as the GNG before nominating. Joe Roe ( talk) 11:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 03:29, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

List of programs broadcast by Much

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In keeping with the guideline at WP:NOTTVGUIDE, this whole article has nothing to offer to the reader in terms of notable information about the Nine Network. Instead, the list is routine scheduling, devoid of importance, and almost entirely unreferenced. Binksternet ( talk) 03:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. This article has nothing to do with scheduling, but covers the series broadcast by this network in general, without specifying the dates or times those programs were shown. Such articles are common; see Category:Lists of television series by network. While the existence of such articles doesn't prove that they deserve to be kept, it does suggest that there is some interest in them. (Also, the reason for deletion was copied from a different AfD; this article is about Much, not Nine Network.) -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 03:31, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

List of programs broadcast by Star Channel

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In keeping with the guideline at WP:NOTTVGUIDE, this whole article has nothing to offer to the reader in terms of notable information about the Nine Network. Instead, the list is routine scheduling, devoid of importance, and almost entirely unreferenced. Binksternet ( talk) 03:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. This article has nothing to do with scheduling, but covers the series broadcast by this network in general, without specifying the dates or times those programs were shown. Such articles are common; see Category:Lists of television series by network. While the existence of such articles doesn't prove that they deserve to be kept, it does suggest that there is some interest in them. (Also, the reason for deletion was copied from a different AfD; this article is about Star Channel, not Nine Network.) -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • WP:NOTTVGUIDE precludes us from being this week's TV listings; it does not preclude a basic list of all the shows a television channel has aired, which is something that at least 378 other TV channels have per Category:Lists of television series by network. There may be a case to be made that such lists should actually be deleted from Wikipedia, but this argument isn't it, because NOTTVGUIDE was never meant to preclude this kind of thing and there's no good reason to single this one out as uniquely non-notable when 300+ other equivalent lists are still standing. Keep, unless somebody can come up with a better reason for deletion than this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearcat ( talkcontribs) 2016-09-17T02:03:18 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 03:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

List of programs broadcast by Nine Network

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In keeping with the guideline at WP:NOTTVGUIDE, this whole article has nothing to offer to the reader in terms of notable information about the Nine Network. Instead, the list is routine scheduling, devoid of importance, and almost entirely unreferenced. Binksternet ( talk) 03:13, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 19:12, 20 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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This was deleted as a PROD but was contested and restored. Per this Corbaz has played all his senior games in the Swiss Challenge League which, according to WP:FPL is not a fully professional league. Corbaz's sole appearance in Switzerland's national cup, the Schweizer Pokal, was against FC Winterthur in the 2015–2016 season. FC Winterthur was playing in the Swiss Challenge League that season. Corbaz has not played a game for the senior Switzerland national team. All this shows that Corbaz does not meet WP:NFOOTY. This google search shows there is not enough in-depth, reliable sourcing focusing on Corbaz to mean he meets WP:GNG. – Yellow Dingo  (talk) 02:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not have enough wins or time racing to seem notable per the sports notability guidelines per WP:ATHLETE Wasabi,the,one ( talk) 02:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG. Hence: Delete. Randykitty ( talk) 12:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Sean Yu

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A sportsperson named Sean Yu comes in news search. This person doesn't meet WP:BASIC right now. Marvellous Spider -Man 01:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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First (band)

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fails to meet criteria for WP:BAND Marvellous Spider -Man 01:27, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Shampoo. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 02:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Conditioning shampoo

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Wikipedia is not hair advice, should been redirected to Shampoo. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I'm been doing 01:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Bigen One Push

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Unremarkable product lacking coverage in reliable sources. The article's only reference is an unreliable Wordpress link. PROD was removed by article creator. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 00:47, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Comment Before someone suggests redirect, affliate of Howa is written with kanji (豊友) and manufacturer of product with katakana (ホーユー) (Possible idea for Japan taskforce to create company article?) Fruitmince ( talk) 23:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
 Comment:: The Howa article is about a machinery company, totally unrelated to this hair care product, so redirecting is not a valid option here. Also, you should refrain from removing deletion discussion tags before the discussion has been concluded. -- DAJF ( talk) 05:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Miss Arkansas USA. ( non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 04:18, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Jennifer Sherrill

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Basically we know that Sherrill was Miss Arkansas USA (not enough to be notable) and that she was in a soroity that has had other members become Miss Arkansas USA, which is extreme trivia. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:34, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 02:30, 18 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Ehsan Ullah Khan

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BLP tagged since 2015 for multiple issues. The source-bombing consists of fleeting mentions on sites or articles that are not about Ehsan Ullah Khan, dead links, and non RS. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Stefan Solea

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines, WP:NACTOR and WP:MUSICBIO. The sources used are Soundcloud, IMDB etc. The one press article is essentially a bare mention with no biographic content, essentially only mentioning a couple movies he was in. Jbh Talk 11:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete, nothing to show real notability; local trivia story in New Orleans area. Kierzek ( talk) 01:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Matthieu Tondeur

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines, WP:NARTIST and WP:MUSICBIO. Sources relate to VJing rather than the subject. I can find no substantive material on the person. Jbh Talk 14:33, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Willan Rivera

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Fails WP:BIO. Most sources I could find contain only trivial mentions. Adam9007 ( talk) 16:30, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Ghazala Salam

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Seems to fail WP:GNG The Banner  talk 16:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Law Asia

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:NORG. References are passing mentions, one blog and quotes from the founder. There does not seem to be any third party commentary about the organization. Jbh Talk 19:29, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not notable as an article on its own, lack of references -- Whats new? (talk) 00:40, 4 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Avinash-class submarine

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The article lacks reliable sources verify the claims and only depend on a forum post and has close resembles previously AFD deleted Arihant follow-on submarine after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arihant follow-on submarine Nicky mathew ( talk) 15:00, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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